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Soviet tanker, surpassed Wittman

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The situation near Leningrad in August 1941 was very dramatic for the defending Soviet troops. On the night of August 7-8, 4 tank the group struck in the area of ​​the settlements of Big Sabsk and Ivanovskoye, advancing towards Volosovo and Kingisepp. After 3 days of fighting, the Germans approached the Kingisepp-Leningrad highway. On August 13, the Germans managed to cut the Kingisepp-Leningrad highway and railway, as well as force the Luga River. On August 14, 41 motorized and 38 army corps of the Germans broke into the operational space and moved to Leningrad. On August 16, Narva and Kingisepp fell. On the same day, units of the 1st Army Corps of the Germans captured the western part of Novgorod, the threat of a breakthrough to Leningrad became even more real.


On August 18, Senior Lieutenant Zinoviy Kolobanov, commander of the 3 Tank Company from the 1 Battalion 1 of the Red Banner Tank Division, was summoned to the division commander, Major General V. Baranov. The headquarters of the tank division at that time was located in the basement of the cathedral, which was one of the attractions of Gatchina, then called Krasnogvardeisky. Kolobanov received the task personally from the mouth of Baranov. Showing on the map three roads leading to Krasnogvardeisk from Kingisepp, Volosovo and Luga, the divisional commander ordered them to be closed at any cost.

Kolobanova’s company had 5 tanks KV-1, each of them was loaded with 2 ammunition for armor-piercing shells. The high-explosive fragmentation cargo was low, the main goal of the tank crew was not to miss tanks to Krasnogvardeisk.

On the same day Kolobanov led his company towards the Germans. Two tanks, the lieutenant sent to the Ludsk road, two more to the road to Volosovo, and placed his tank in an ambush at the crossroads connecting the Tallinn highway with the road to Marienburg - the northern outskirts of Gatchina. Kolobanov personally conducted a reconnaissance with the crews of the tanks, giving instructions on where to equip positions, for each vehicle the senior lieutenant ordered to open two caponiers (main and reserve) and carefully disguise them.
Soviet tanker, surpassed Wittman
The crew of the tank Kolobanov, the photo was taken after the battle 19 August

Commander KV Kolobanov placed so that the longest and openest part of the road got into its sector of shelling. The road did not reach the nearby poultry farm for a bit and turned almost at a right angle to Marienburg. In one place, the road was crossed by a dirt road, apparently, the locals traveled along it during the haymaking. On both sides of the road there were unmade stacks, they were near the position chosen by Kolobanov. There were vast swamps on both sides of the road to Marienburg, in one place there was even a small lake with ducks floating on it.

All day long, tankmen were digging a caponier for their tank, and digging up the KV in a fairly strong ground was a difficult task. However, in the evening the tank was hidden by the ground right up to the tower. He prepared the crew and a spare position, after which he carefully camouflaged them, hiding even traces of tank tracks. Closer to the night, the infantry escort approached the tank, which was located slightly behind the tank, and the combat guard positions were also disguised.

Early in the morning of August 19, the crew of Kolobanov’s tank woke up from the intermittent hum of the German Junkers heading for Leningrad. After the planes went towards the city, peace and tranquility were again established at the ambush site. The sun was rising higher, the day promised to be clear and hot.

At about 10 in the morning hours on the left, from the side of the road to Volosovo, there was shooting, Kolobanov easily identified the KV tank weapon from the sound. Later, a message arrived on the radio that one of the crews had already engaged in battle with enemy tanks. On their own site was still quiet. Taking advantage of the moment, Kolobanov summoned the commander of the infantry escort and ordered him not to open fire on the enemy until his HF opened fire. Kolobanov noted two landmarks for his tank: the first is two birch trees at the end of the intersection and the second is the intersection itself. Landmarks for firing were chosen in such a way as to destroy the first tank at the intersection and not allow the remaining tanks of the column to turn off the road going to Marienburg.

The Nazis appeared on the road only in the afternoon, about two hours. Slamming the hatches, tankers prepared for battle. Soon the gunner, senior sergeant Andrei Usov, reported on what he saw in the 3 sight of a motorcycle with wheelchairs. Kolobanov, realizing that the enemy’s reconnaissance was in front of him, ordered him to miss it without opening fire. German motorcyclists quickly drove through the intersection, passed the tank standing in ambush and rushed to Marienburg. Fulfilling Kolobanov's order, the infantrymen did not open fire on them.

At this time, all the attention of the KV crew was riveted on the German tanks on their way. Kolobanov gave the order to the radio operator to report on the appearance of the German tank column, while he himself was looking through the road, on which German tanks, painted in dark gray, appeared one after another. The tanks went at reduced distances, substituting their left sides for the gun of an HF ambush, which could hit them as if in a dash. The hatches of some cars were open, the crew even saw the faces of German tankers, the distance between German tanks and HF did not exceed 150 meters.

At this time, the battalion commander Shpiller came in contact with Kolobanov, who sternly asked the company officer why he was letting the Germans through. Shpiller already knew that there was a battle with the Germans on the Volovo and Luga directions in the morning, he also knew about the advancement of German tanks to the position of Kolobanov, and the long silence of the commander of one of his companies began to disturb him.

There was no time for Spiller to answer, the leading German tank drove into the intersection and came very close to the first target marked by the tank crews. At the same time, Kolobanov was informed about the number of tanks in the convoy, there were 22. When there were seconds of movement before the intended benchmark, Kolobanov realized that it was time to start the battle, and ordered Usov to open fire.

The first tank in the column caught fire from the first shot, it was destroyed even before it passed the intersection. The second shot was already destroyed at the intersection of the second tank. There was a traffic jam on the road. A column of German tanks that had already flown at minimal intervals shrank like a spring. Kolobanov orders to transfer the fire to the tail of the column in order to finally clamp it on a narrow tape of the road.

However, this time from the first shot to hit the closing tank fails, the projectile is torn, not reaching the target. Senior Sergeant Usov corrects the aiming and, after firing another 4 shot, destroys the last two tanks in the convoy. Enemy machines are trapped.

At first, the Germans do not understand where they are being shot from, and they start hitting stacks of hay, suspecting that tanks or PTO guns are hiding in them. However, they soon came to their senses and found a disguised ambush. The tank duel of our KV and 18 of the remaining German tanks begins. A whole hail of armor-piercing shells hits the HF, our tank is saved by the fact that it is dug into the ground and has additional 25-mm screens. After a while, there is no trace of disguise. Inside the tank, tankers are choking on powder gases and striking numerous blanks on their armor. Charging Nikolai Rodenkov works at a furious pace, driving into the breech more and more new shells. Gunner Usov does not break away from the sight, continuing to hit tanks in the German column.

KV-1 with additional screens


The Nazis understand that they have fallen into a trap and are trying to maneuver, but the shells fired by the Soviet tank hit them one by one. Their numerous hits almost do not cause KV any harm. Affects the marked superiority of the Soviet tank in firepower and thickness of the reservation. The infantry units moving behind the convoy came to the aid of the German tankers; under the cover of tank fire, the Germans began to deploy anti-tank guns on the road.

Kolobanov noticed these maneuvers in time and ordered Usov to hit the rifle guns with high-explosive fragmentation shells. In the battle with the German infantry enters the military guard, located behind the HF. Usov succeeds in quickly destroying one gun together with the calculation, but the second gun manages to make several shots. One of them smashes the commander's periscope sight, from which Kolobanov watched the battlefield, and the other disables the mechanism for turning the tower, making it stationary. In the end, Usov manages to smash this gun, but the HF almost loses the ability to maneuver the fire. Large turns of the gun to the right and left can now be performed only by turning the entire hull of the tank. In essence, KV Kolobanova turns into a PT-ACS.

Realizing that the Germans were well-adjusted to his position, Kolobanov orders the driver to withdraw the tank from the caponier and shift to a reserve position. In the eyes of the Germans, the tank, in reverse, gets out of its cover and drives off to the side, settling under the cover of bushes. The tank again opens fire on the column. At this time, the driver has to work hard, turning a multi-ton machine in one direction or another, by order of Usov.

Finally, the last 22 tank of the Germans destroyed. During the battle, which lasted more than an hour, Senior Sergeant Usov managed to release 98 projectiles against enemy tanks and anti-tank guns, of which all were used up. After the battle, Kolobanov counted more than 100 dents from German armor-piercing shells on his tank, but none of them could take the tank out of battle. Total 19 August in battle with a company of Kolobanov Germans lost 43 tank. For this outstanding performance, the battle, Senior Lieutenant Z. G. Kolobanov was awarded the Order of the Red Banner, and his gunner, Senior Sergeant A. M. Usov, was presented to the Order of Lenin. In this battle, Zinoviy Kolobanov surpassed the result of the famous German tank ace Wittman, who in the battle of Villers-Bocage destroyed the British 11 tanks.
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  1. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 15 June 2013 08: 49 New
    -24
    I read about this event, thank God the Germans in the early stages of the war could not effectively fight against our heavy tanks. And so the KV-1 gun is rather weak. But it is really very armored. And it seems to me that he fought against captured tanks, Czech, French. Just go there panzer 4 with 75mm he would have been given the heat too.
    Although the result is the result, you try at least one beat out alone.
    1. cartridge
      cartridge 15 June 2013 08: 59 New
      +5
      And so the KV-1 gun is rather weak ...
      And it seems to me that he fought against captured tanks, Czech, French. Just go there panzer 4 with 75mm he would have been given the heat too.


      I understand that we learned the opinion of another kitchen tank marshal? Is your surname Rybalko? Poluboyarov? Or maybe Guderian?
      On what basis and by what right do you smear with your liquid feces the memory of those who gave you the opportunity to live?
      There is a saying in the army about such amateurs with an important look of people talking about things that they absolutely don’t understand, "Every darned condom thinks it is an airship."
      Your aplomb and disdainful opinion about our tanks and tankers, who were standing to death, arouse contempt for me as a Russian.
      I do not wish you health! negative
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 15 June 2013 10: 59 New
        15
        Why so sharp? The man expressed his opinion, what's wrong with that? Neglect of courage or the ability of tankers did not notice something.
        Why the opportunity to discuss - to compete in patriotism, to suffocate in laudations? Doubt is a criterion of truth, have not you heard? Can you introduce censorship?
        Type comments can only give ... And who only? Only Katukov, Rotmistrov, Bogdanov? And you yourself, probably, Lavrinenko? No? Strange ...
        1. AK-74-1
          AK-74-1 15 June 2013 11: 52 New
          +8
          I agree with the CARTRIDGE! Fibrizio set the minus because:
          firstly, his opinion is very vague;
          secondly, there were simply no analogues of HF;
          thirdly, you need to understand that we are talking about the time of the Great Patriotic War, which liberoid burping refers to as "everything was gone," "complete rout," "mass desertion," etc.
          In general, Kolobanov, Lavrinenko and many others are an example of the training and dedication of Russian Sodat. And it is precisely this fact that they are trying to call into question.
          If there is any doubt about the feat, let Fibrizio give a full alignment of forces and means from all sides, taking into account the characteristics of the latest ammunition, the weight of field uniforms, etc., and only then everyone must draw their own conclusions. By the way, about a year ago, someone here proposed to erect a monument to Kolobanov. It seems that there were no refuseniks. Someone even wanted to make an e-wallet, etc. I would like to ask how the idea ended? This is the theme of URA-PATRIOTISM.
          1. cartridge
            cartridge 15 June 2013 11: 57 New
            0
            You said it right. Totally agree with you. Thanks you!
          2. sevtrash
            sevtrash 15 June 2013 13: 32 New
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            The fact that Kolobanov acted competently and reasonably seems to be no doubt. Do not forget that Usov, who was an artillery instructor, shot. The battle, by the way, seemed to be 20, not 19, 22 tanks were shot down in the first phase of the battle, and these were really light Czech tanks Pz.Kpfw.35 (t). In the second phase, after a change of position, in a duel with Pz.Kpfw.IV - the 75 mm cannon was no longer victorious. It would be nice if the article had more information.
            At the battlefield, the monument stands - IP 2 is true, there is also a bust to Kolobanov.
            And one should not see in every doubt an attempt on the unknown.
            1. AK-74-1
              AK-74-1 15 June 2013 17: 31 New
              +2
              Respected! Discard the source please! I’m not a bit aware of your information. The story about Kolobanov has been repeatedly published and discussed here! In addition, there is a lot of estimated data about events, including those from the side of the little ones, as well as sentenced traitors, and even more from the homegrown historians. I prefer the version about how the Soviet Senior Sergeant stopped the goth dad.
              1. sevtrash
                sevtrash 15 June 2013 22: 01 New
                +2
                http://www.tankfront.ru/snipers/ussr/kolobanov_zg.html
                http://armor.kiev.ua/Battle/WWII/kolobanov/
                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%EE%EB%EE%E1%E0%ED%EE%E2,_%C7%E8%ED%EE%E2%E8%E9_
                %C3%F0%E8%E3%EE%F0%FC%E5%E2%E8%F7
                http://www.solonin.org/live_legendarnyiy-boy-zinoviya
                What you like so much is good. I also like when our heroes. But I want to know how it was as close as possible to real events, not legends and fairy tales.
                Solonin, for example, speaks of completely different German tank formations. Not to mention that there is no information about such losses.
                Good work is needed to determine where the truth is closer. This article does not seem like that.
          3. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 16 June 2013 06: 31 New
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            I consider the article incomplete without a photo of the Hero and further, at least brief information about Zinovia Kolobanov.
            All crew members Z. G. Kolobanov were presented to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. The commander of the division Hero of the Soviet Union, General V.I. Baranov, also signed these submissions. However, at the headquarters of the Leningrad Front, Kolobanov’s award was reduced by someone to the Order of the Red Banner, and the gun commander, Senior Sergeant A. Usov, to the Order of Lenin. The award sheets with crossed out red pencil representations for the title of Hero of the Soviet Union are stored in the TsAMO of the Russian Federation (TsAMO of the Russian Federation, f. 33, o. 682524, d. 39/17, l. 33).
            In September 1941, Z. Kolobanov was seriously wounded and until March 1945 he was treated in various hospitals. Despite being seriously injured after the war, he remained in the army and was transferred to the reserve in 1958 with the rank of lieutenant colonel. He died on August 12, 1994 in Minsk.
        2. vezunchik
          vezunchik 15 June 2013 12: 12 New
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          Guys, I’m telling you all the time - we’re not here to talk, we’re just expressing our opinion, so be quiet, learn to respect other people's thoughts ...
        3. Alex
          Alex 12 September 2013 23: 49 New
          +4
          Expressed, though sharply, but correctly. It is better for such "experts" to first understand the essence of the issue, and then express their thoughts. And then we already have delusions in our heads and lives more than enough.
      2. rumpeljschtizhen
        rumpeljschtizhen 16 June 2013 02: 34 New
        -2
        you are categorical .. worse. those who so hate
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 16 June 2013 17: 51 New
        +5
        Quote: cartridge
        On what basis and by what right do you smear with your liquid feces the memory of those who gave you the opportunity to live?


        Rude is unnecessary. A person speaks quite justifiably about the game of WOT, it is especially unreasonable to judge him. Instead, you can simply send it to the source, even if you read Wikipedia.
    2. Svyatoslav72
      Svyatoslav72 15 June 2013 09: 05 New
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      The gun just for that time, not like the Germans, is too weak. What would you call the German tanks of the beginning of the Second World War: - Wheelbarrows sheathed with iron.
      They won (the Germans) due to the use of aviation and maneuvering, it was nothing else. T-34 and KV-1 / KV-2 were the best tanks of the beginning of the Second World War, no one else and no where else.
      1. skeptic-
        skeptic- 15 June 2013 12: 59 New
        +7
        Quote: Svyatoslav72
        They won (the Germans) due to the use of aviation and maneuvering, it was nothing else.


        They forgot about the connection. Information support in battle is not less than 70% of success. The biggest problem of the Red Army, especially at the initial stage, was communication. It was her lack that led to disorganization and heavy losses, despite the personal heroism of the defenders of the Fatherland. It is such fights, as described above, that show the real professionalism and fighting qualities of the Russian people.
        1. Svyatoslav72
          Svyatoslav72 15 June 2013 14: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: skeptic

          They forgot about the connection. Information support in battle is not less than 70% of success. The biggest problem of the Red Army, especially at the initial stage, was communication. It was her lack that led to disorganization and heavy losses, despite the personal heroism of the defenders of the Fatherland. It is such fights, as described above, that show the real professionalism and fighting qualities of the Russian people.

          I did not completely paint the Blitzkrieg scheme; without connection, no maneuvering and interaction would succeed (in fact and logic). The Germans had no less problems than the Red Army. But! the fact that the Red Army could not be ready for the obvious, and made unforgivable fatal mistakes (crimes) is a topic that is not beloved, not fashionable and not patriotic.
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        3. Avenger711
          Avenger711 15 June 2013 14: 40 New
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          And you're talking about banal brute force and quantity due to preemptive mobilization. There were just no problems with the connection.
    3. reichsmarshal
      reichsmarshal 15 June 2013 10: 47 New
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      In 1942, Semyon Konovalov on KV collided with a battalion of German tanks (with long-barreled guns) 13th TD. He destroyed 16 tanks and 3 guns, after which his crew hid in the woods, at night they made their way to the Germans and hijacked a German tank (!), Arrived at their own (which they almost knocked out at a meeting), they fought for another month not a trophy “four” . Fight not millimeters of armor and caliber guns. Fighting tankers, motorized rifle, gunners. Eternal glory to them!
      1. Svyatoslav72
        Svyatoslav72 15 June 2013 11: 09 New
        0
        Quote: reichsmarshal
        In 1942, Semyon Konovalov on KV collided with a battalion of German tanks (with long-barreled guns) 13th TD. He destroyed 16 tanks and 3 guns, after which his crew hid in the woods, at night they made their way to the Germans and hijacked a German tank (!), Arrived at their own (which they almost knocked out at a meeting), they fought for another month not a trophy “four” . Fight not millimeters of armor and caliber guns. Fighting tankers, motorized rifle, gunners. Eternal glory to them!

        Without reducing the heroic activity of Lieutenant Semyon Vasilievich Konovalov, your version is too embellished and compressed in the framework of what is happening, just like from the films of the agitation industry. Look again about July 13, 1942, without any extra additions.
        1. reichsmarshal
          reichsmarshal 15 June 2013 23: 00 New
          +1
          All this is recorded in his award sheet, as confirmed by the infantry unit accompanying them when leaving the encirclement near Millerovo
    4. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 15 June 2013 10: 55 New
      +8
      there 4 panzer with 75mm he would

      I had to shoot them too, because the T-4 had a weak short-barreled cannon, with a low initial velocity of the projectile, about 380 m / s, almost like that of Makarov.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 15 June 2013 14: 40 New
        0
        Pretty good hit armor cumulative.
    5. svp67
      svp67 15 June 2013 14: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Fibrizio
      Just go there the 4 panzer with 75mm would have given him the heat too.

      The Pz4 with the stub was the worst PTS compared to the Pz3 with its fully-fledged 37 mm tank gun ...
    6. anip
      anip 15 June 2013 17: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Fibrizio
      Just go there panzer 4 with 75mm he would have been asked the heat too

      Not a fact. Then they were 75-mm "butts".
    7. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 15 June 2013 21: 13 New
      +7
      Quote: Fibrizio
      I read about this event, thank God the Germans in the early stages of the war could not effectively fight against our heavy tanks. And so the KV-1 gun is rather weak. But it is really very armored. And it seems to me that he fought against captured tanks, Czech, French. Just if there was Panzer 4 with 75mm, they would have set the heat for it too. Although there is a result, you should try at least one hit on your own.


      1. 76 mm gun KV-1 exceeded the armament of all Nazi tanks at that time.
      2. Pz. IV with a 75 mm cannon capable of fighting Soviet tanks, in 41, has not yet appeared at the front.
      3. The main tanks of the Nazis at that time were: Pz. III and Pz. 38t. None of them were able to defeat the KV-1 in open battle.
      4. Pz. 38t is a Czech tank that went through the entire 2MB. And self-propelled guns “Hetzer” based on it were made in Czechoslovakia even after 45 years.
      5. Of all the French tanks, the S-35 and Char B1 were sent to the Eastern Front in their mass, but given the technical characteristics in this battle, it could most likely operate S-35. The latter was superior to ALL German tanks in armor and weapons.
      6. The tactics of "ambush" more than once brought the Soviet tankers a victory over the arrogant enemy. A vivid example is the first battle with the Royal Tiger.

      Conclusion - your arguments are not reasoned and do not correspond to reality.
    8. Sokolowik
      Sokolowik 16 June 2013 13: 01 New
      +4
      the butt on the T-4 kv-1 did not take at that time, only 88 anti-aircraft guns ....
    9. Alex
      Alex 12 September 2013 23: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Fibrizio
      And so the KV-1 gun is rather weak.

      Was one of the opponents stronger? If you don’t know, then keep quiet.

      And it seems to me that he fought against captured tanks, Czech, French.

      There were no French tanks on the Eastern Front (there are references to the police service). Czech tanks are not captured. 38 (t) were produced after the occupation of Czechoslovakia by orders of the Ministry of Arms and German specifications (subject to the design of the prototype). Once again - if you don’t know, then keep quiet.

      Just go there the 4 panzer with 75mm would have given him the heat too.

      I don’t even want to discuss such nonsense. Not for you, but for others: the 75-mm Pz IV gun was not suitable for combating HF even in bold dreams after a good dose of grass.

      Dear, first learn the materiel, and then make your judgments.
  2. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 15 June 2013 08: 49 New
    +2
    Wittmann began to fight in the Czech 38-ke and it is a pity that he was only wounded on her. And the most productive
    victory, what they have, what we have - these are ambushes.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 15 June 2013 10: 59 New
      0
      Normal tank, but I didn’t go to the cold.
  3. ramsi
    ramsi 15 June 2013 08: 59 New
    +7
    Wittman, a typical professional of the highest class, constantly replenished his account throughout his career, and even the arguments “against a weak opponent” do not pass. On the Kursk arc, he fought, it seems, on the thing and shot a lot.
    Kolobanov - this is completely different, it is, after all, luck, the stars came together ... Well, finally, he survived.
    By the way, Wittman kept a separate account for anti-tank guns, and considered their destruction even more difficult than a tank. (I'm talking about the ambush of "anti-tank sniper")
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 15 June 2013 09: 37 New
      +5
      In fact, there were chances and abruptly Wittmann, just this one was well-known to everyone. And who, for example, knows Kurt Knispel? But this was a very extraordinary person. He was undoubtedly our enemy, but personally he can be respected. I advise everyone to read about him
      1. reichsmarshal
        reichsmarshal 15 June 2013 10: 52 New
        +2
        Knispel was half Czech. As you know, it was the Czechs who invented the tanks. Jan ижižka and his wagenburgs detective laughing In general, Knispel was a soldier. They say about him that he had a fight with an SS officer because he mocked the Russian prisoner.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 15 June 2013 11: 40 New
          0
          And here, who he was half! I’m talking about human and military qualities. They talk a lot about him.
          1. reichsmarshal
            reichsmarshal 15 June 2013 23: 01 New
            +1
            I'm just joking. set a smiley!
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 15 June 2013 23: 36 New
              0
              By the way, are you aware that his remains were found only this year? This means that there were too many legends about his death. And yet, there was a shrapnel in the head and there was no hospital
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 15 June 2013 23: 59 New
                0
                I’m sorry, they found me near the hospital (I didn’t translate correctly). I found a Czech article.
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 15 June 2013 14: 43 New
          +1
          Wagen-burg is our "city walk".
          1. reichsmarshal
            reichsmarshal 15 June 2013 23: 02 New
            0
            right, but here they were for a long time without gunshots, and the Czechs put guns on them. we got it later
      2. smile
        smile 15 June 2013 12: 59 New
        +5
        Day 11
        Yeah ... there was Carius ("Tigers in the Mud") ... in his memoirs he was in close combat - advancing :))), twice famously destroyed the IS2 CCI, this honest hero spent half an hour on the destruction of each .. by the way in one of the episodes, he scored at the same time 22 IS2 (well, who knows the regular strength will understand all the humor of the situation :)))) in general, sometimes it seems that his maiden name is Munchausen ... although for all these feats he each time he received awards, up to the knight's cross with leaves, diamonds and other flowers .... but even this handsome man is forced to recognize b - three (or 5 - I do not remember exactly) Russians are more dangerous than 20 Americans ...

        You know, I have no doubt in the Germans ability to fight. In the end, it was not in vain that they piled the strongest countries of the planet, and then they broke us ... but the more their accounting system is opened - not the one on paper, but the one that really existed, the less I believe them .. . our never could lie like that ... one Hartman, whose confirmation of more than half of the victories is a letter to the bride (due to the fact that the flight book has not been preserved) is worth ...
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 15 June 2013 15: 45 New
          0
          Vladimir, I myself am interested in this topic and can tell a lot (especially about Luftov). Now, unfortunately, I don’t have time and work at all. Let's (if you have any interest) let’s grind in the evening?
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 15 June 2013 23: 52 New
          0
          Do you doubt Eric Hartman’s professionalism? Even if you “write off” Bubi 100 shot down (out of 352 declared), he will remain the greatest pilot! We, after all, are not doing so well with Pokryshkin. There are a lot of unstoppable victories. I can argue. Someone not topic, do not minus, otherwise, the debate
          1. vyatom
            vyatom 18 June 2013 11: 08 New
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            Quote: Den 11
            Who is not in the subject, do not minus, otherwise, the debate

            Yes, everything is in the subject. Good garbage to do. The imaginary of these victories has been proven long ago both in our country and in the west. Read the memories of our pilots - Baevsky, for example, who went through the whole war.
          2. vyatom
            vyatom 18 June 2013 11: 12 New
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            Quote: Den 11
            Do you doubt Eric Hartman’s professionalism? Even if you “write off” Bubi 100 shot down (out of 352 declared), he will remain the greatest pilot! We, after all, are not doing so well with Pokryshkin. There are a lot of unstoppable victories. I can argue. Someone not topic, do not minus, otherwise, the debate

            No one likes losers who get in the way of eggs. And those who sympathize with them. If the Luftwaffe was really a cut above us and our allies, then they would not have lost the battle for Britain. Yes, and already in the 43rd year we took dominance in the air. They attacked like rats treacherously in the 41st year, destroying most of Soviet aviation on earth. And then they boasted. I have no respect for these Goering clowns. I do not like losers.
          3. Alex
            Alex 16 August 2013 18: 17 New
            +4
            Well, how many times they repeated to the world ... German numbers are not the number of ACCESSED AIRCRAFT, but victories. And under the victory (this term is more correct to put in quotation marks), they often understood even the damage (and not always heavy) of the enemy aircraft. Anyway, their victory system is one more crap.
      3. Avenger711
        Avenger711 15 June 2013 14: 42 New
        0
        Well, I know, for example.
    2. reichsmarshal
      reichsmarshal 15 June 2013 10: 49 New
      0
      Wittman near Kursk fought on the Tigris, but his tank near Prokhorovka “scattered” our anti-tank missile, which saved both him and his Soviet opponents from further battle.
    3. Avenger711
      Avenger711 15 June 2013 14: 41 New
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      No, already on the tiger.
      Kolobanov survived only because he was seriously injured and fought a little.
  4. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 15 June 2013 09: 09 New
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    Quote: Fibrizio
    Just go there the 4 panzer with 75mm would have given him the heat too.

    Have you ever wondered when Panzer4 received a 75mm gun?
    1. Svyatoslav72
      Svyatoslav72 15 June 2013 09: 16 New
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      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

      Have you ever wondered when Panzer4 received a 75mm gun?

      Apparently he thinks of a “cigarette butt”, a short-barreled gun with a low initial velocity and fragmentation shells, which were nothing more.
      The longhailer (L-43) went from the beginning of 42 years.
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    3. sevtrash
      sevtrash 15 June 2013 15: 31 New
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      The pre-production model was called an “armored vehicle with a 75 mm cannon,” the first Pz.KpfW.IV Ausf.A series was with a 75 mm KwK.37.
      Do you have other information?
  5. Svyatoslav72
    Svyatoslav72 15 June 2013 09: 10 New
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    Paying tribute to our veterans, for their efforts, steadfastness of self-sacrifice and heroism, he never positively regarded the propaganda messenger and laudatory tracts that hid a sea of ​​shameful and mediocre idiocy.
  6. Roll
    Roll 15 June 2013 09: 42 New
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    wassat Here are our staff commanders, ur yes, not the entire crew was awarded, but only the gunner and commander. The commander was awarded the order, the gunner is PRESENTED to the Order of Lenin, and the mechanic is charging, so for pro forma. For such a result, all the heroes of the USSR should be given. Who thinks ???
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 15 June 2013 10: 11 New
      +4
      The entire crew was awarded. If I am not mistaken, the rest have the Order of the Red Star. But Kolobanov was awarded only the BKZ for the fact that he had not yet prevented the fraternization of subordinates with the Finns after the ceasefire was announced in Finnish.
      1. reichsmarshal
        reichsmarshal 15 June 2013 10: 55 New
        +1
        This is a myth of the 90s. No one arrested him or imprisoned him. Nobody fraternized with the Finns (Stalin made peace with the Finns only because he was afraid: no matter how angry our losses would cut all the Finns - not that it would be a pity, but diplomatic difficulties).
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 15 June 2013 22: 22 New
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          Maybe a myth, but explain such a significant difference in the awards of the commander and subordinate, officer and sergeant ???
    2. krpmlws
      krpmlws 15 June 2013 20: 20 New
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      Have the tankers not yet been given a GSS? ((((How interesting should tankers be in one battle to get the bureaucrats to give them a GSS?
      1. reichsmarshal
        reichsmarshal 15 June 2013 23: 08 New
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        Neither in the USSR nor in the 3rd Reich there were exact methods for assessing the reliability of information on the number of destroyed units of manpower and equipment of the enemy. Therefore, the GSS was given to those whose actions ensured the fulfillment of the tasks of other units and other branches of the armed forces in the event of any difficult situations requiring great risk. Pilots, for example, were given awards not for the number of air victories over the Germans, but for the failure of targeted bombing on our troops or the failure to intercept our attack aircraft.
  7. omsbon
    omsbon 15 June 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    In memory of this battle, nearby installed, if my memory serves me, the IS-3 tank.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 15 June 2013 10: 58 New
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      Well, at least so request that was probably put.
  8. Fofan
    Fofan 15 June 2013 10: 19 New
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    so there is a mention of such tanks in modern historical scientific works
    Half of the 6th division shot at him, and he stopped only when he ran out of fuel.
  9. svp67
    svp67 15 June 2013 15: 56 New
    +6
    Each army has its own heroes tankers. In the 1940 year, heroes appeared in the French army

    Here, for example, is the Renault tank In 1bis "Eure" under the command of Captain Billotte. On 16 on May 1940, near the village of Stonne, he almost completely destroyed the convoy of the 8th Tank Regiment of the 10th Tank Division of the Wehrmacht. During the battle in a narrow village street, French tankers shot down 2 Pz.IV, 11 Pz.III and destroyed two 37-mm anti-tank guns. After the battle, 140 dents were counted on the tower and the Renault hull, but not a single hole was missing.

    And the crews of tanks In 1bis, Mistral and Tunisie staged a rout of a German convoy, consisting of tanks, armored cars and trucks, in the village of Landrecies, south of Mormal Forest, on 17 day on May 1940 of the year. Within about half an hour, the crews of just two vehicles destroyed over 50 trucks, tractors and armored personnel carriers, several Pz.I and Pz.II tanks and six 37-mm anti-tank guns of the German 7-th tank division. And again, German shells left a lot of dents on French tanks, but not a single hole. Well, why are lieutenants Pompier (Pompier) and Godet (Gaudet) not French Kolobanov?
    1. svp67
      svp67 15 June 2013 23: 06 New
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      And if you recall Lavrinenko - the platoon commander in the Katukov brigade, the same person is heroic. For example, only one battle:

      On October 6 of 1941, during a battle in the area of ​​the First Warrior village, the tank group of Lieutenant Lavrinenko, consisting of four T-34 tanks, resolutely attacked a convoy of German tanks dragged into a hollow to destroy the motorized rifle battalion of the brigade. The attack of the Lavrinenko group turned out to be very timely, since the Guderian tanks, surrounding the infantry, began to shoot it from machine guns and crush it with caterpillars. Avoiding approaching too close a distance, the T-34 opened fire on enemy tanks. Constantly changing firing positions, appearing in various places, four thirty-fours impressed the Germans with the actions of a large tank group. In this battle, the crew of Lieutenant Lavrinenko destroyed 4 German tanks, the crew of Senior Sergeant Antonov - 7 tanks and 2 PTO, the crew of Sergeant Kapotov - 1 tank, the crew of Junior Lieutenant Polyansky - 3 tank and 4 motorcycle. The platoon of Lavrinenko had no losses. The battle was held quickly, the motorized rifle battalion was saved.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 16 June 2013 23: 29 New
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        Quote: svp67
        And if you recall Lavrinenko - the platoon commander in the Katukov brigade, the same person is heroic. For example, only one battle:

        On October 6 of 1941, during a battle in the area of ​​the First Warrior village, the tank group of Lieutenant Lavrinenko, consisting of four T-34 tanks, resolutely attacked a convoy of German tanks dragged into a hollow to destroy the motorized rifle battalion of the brigade. The attack of the Lavrinenko group turned out to be very timely, since the Guderian tanks, surrounding the infantry, began to shoot it from machine guns and crush it with caterpillars.
        tales, and I’ll say why, because it’s unrealistic to check a personal account in combined arms combat, on an 1 tank 10 applicants
        The battle was held quickly, the motorized rifle battalion was saved.

        double tales, MSB Katukova almost completely died, approx. 120 people disappeared or died.
        1. builder
          builder 17 June 2013 02: 25 New
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          Event:
          The 4th tank brigade of M.E. Katukov attacked the marching columns of the German 4th tank division of Willibald von Langeman from an ambush. As a result of Langemann's neglect of reconnaissance and protection, German troops suffered heavy losses.
          Germans:
          Guderian: “South of Mtsensk, the 4th Panzer Division was attacked by Russian tanks, and it had to endure a difficult moment. For the first time, the superiority of Russian T-34 tanks was manifested in a sharp form. The division suffered significant losses. The planned rapid attack on Tula had to be postponed.
          According to the report of the 4 TD from 12 on October, 19 combat vehicles were written off as an irreparable loss, another 22 needed to be sent to repair factories in Germany, and 47 tanks needed repairs over 3 weeks by field rembases (but also those sent to Germany, and those that remained at the repair facilities in Russia continued to be registered in the division, unlike the Soviet system, in our country such tanks fell into the category of losses and were withdrawn from the list of mechanized units).
          Thus, it is possible to roughly estimate the losses of the 4th Wehrmacht tank division in 35–45 combat vehicles that were seriously damaged (requiring sending to repair plants in Germany, that is, these combat vehicles were excluded from military operations for a period of 2 to 3 months ), and destroyed by tankers of the 4th TBR, from October 4 to October 11, 1941.
          stories, and I’ll say why, because
          because I broke a couple of books on the topic to read negative
          1. Stas57
            Stas57 17 June 2013 09: 29 New
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            The 4th tank brigade of M.E. Katukov attacked the marching columns of the German 4th tank division of Willibald von Langeman from an ambush. As a result of Langemann's neglect of reconnaissance and protection, German troops suffered heavy losses.

            ear

            because I broke a couple of books on the topic to read

            therefore open
            Schekotikhin E. E. The Battle of Orlov - two years: facts, statistics, analysis. In 2's book .. - Orel: Alexander Vorobyov, 2006. - 744 with
            Dmitry Shein. 1-I Guards Tank Brigade in the battles for Moscow. - Front illustration, No. 4. - M .: Strategy KM, 2007
            and the Katukov’s Memoirs themselves say otherwise
            and don’t post stories about sleeping tank columns, and don’t make ourselves an omniscient expert,

            According to the report of the 4 TD from 12 on October, 19 combat vehicles were written off as an irreparable loss, another 22 needed to be sent to repair factories in Germany, and 47 tanks needed repairs over 3 weeks by field rembases (but also those sent to Germany, and those that remained at the repair facilities in Russia continued to be registered in the division, unlike the Soviet system, in our country such tanks fell into the category of losses and were withdrawn from the list of mechanized units).

            judging by this phrase you are already familiar with nonsense about repairs in Germany Kravchenko’s creativity at Bayfield, so what does they say about mythical marching columns?
            at the same time, the losses of both 4 TBR and 4 etc. are known, and they are not in favor of Katukov
    2. reichsmarshal
      reichsmarshal 15 June 2013 23: 09 New
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      Very interesting. I heard about Byot, but not about Godet and Pompier.
  10. Petrovich
    Petrovich 15 June 2013 16: 21 New
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    Very interesting article. By the way, this is not an isolated case of the successful use of a tank ambush of the Red Army in a tank dangerous direction in the initial period of the Second World War. Unfortunately there are no articles at hand, believe me a word. Thank.
  11. anip
    anip 15 June 2013 17: 58 New
    +2
    Unfortunately, it is a pity that more people know about Wittmann and are completely unaware of Kolobanov. Could, three pluses article squeezed.
    1. Minuteman
      Minuteman 15 June 2013 19: 02 New
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      In technically complex military branches, where conscripts with a certain level of education were required (tank troops, artillery, air defense, communications troops) there were "outrageous Jews", judging by the recollections of war veterans - almost one in ten. Many commanders can be recalled by name. So, the commanders of the armored and mechanized troops of the Leningrad, Northwest, 2nd Baltic, 2nd Belorussian, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Ukrainian fronts were, respectively, Khasin, Preysman, Chernyavsky, Rabinovich, Binovich, Echt and Raikin.
      Among the commanders of the tank and mechanized brigades were 32 (thirty-two) Jews. There was such a unique episode in the history of the war: on August 19, 1941 a KV tank from the 1st tank regiment of the 1st tank division on the Luga-Gatchina road stopped a convoy of 22 German tanks; tank commander - Zinovy ​​Grigorievich Kolobanov, battalion commander - Joseph Borisovich Shpiller. The commander of the second battalion of the 1st TP was also called beautifully - Aron Zakharovich. The first soldier of the ground forces who was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union during the war was the commander of the 1st motorized infantry division, Yakov Kreizer (the award was signed on July 15, 1941). The chief of the operational department of the division headquarters is Vladimir Naumovich Ratner. On April 21, 1945, the 219th Tank Brigade (brigade commander Evsey Grigorievich Vainrub) and the 1st Guards Tank Brigade (brigade commander Abram Matveevich Temnik) were the first to break into the streets of Berlin. On April 28, a brigade commander’s tank exploded in a mine a few hundred meters from the Reichstag, Colonel Temnik died of his wounds seven days before the Victory. On April 30, 1945, the tank brigade of the Jew David Dragunsky joined the tank corps of the Jew Semyon Krivoshein. Berlin was surrounded. For these fights, Dragoon will receive the second Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union, and Krivoshein the first. David Dragunsky took part in the Victory Day parade on June 24, 1945.
      1. smile
        smile 15 June 2013 20: 59 New
        +2
        Minuteman
        I have nothing against the Jews, but I still don’t need to drive the blizzard - the percentage of Jews in the armed forces was less than their share of the USSR population. The distribution of the Aoysk was almost the same, about indecent a lot ... tell it to your grandmother, she will believe you ... the only place where there were noticeably more special services (where they were always on the cutting edge and showed themselves quite worthily) and some posts that do not involve direct participation in the battle ... is this duality ... Or will you say that we have the Navy, because it is the most technologically advanced, was staffed by the Jewish command personnel? :)))
        And generally speaking. let's count - 35 million passed through the armed forces throughout the war, direct participation in the military base - 24 million ..... take laziness longer - see for yourself how many officers of all military branches were there and think that even if all the Jews of the unoccupied part of the USSR were put in operation by officers from infants to old people, it could happen that you were would you be right? ... :))))) all the data can be easily found ...

        By the way, do not remember your memories of veterans better, you obviously didn’t talk much with them ... you yourself understand that a bad commissar will be better remembered by a veteran than a normal warrior who pulls a strap, like everyone and whose nationality is of no interest to anyone (let’s say Jew) ...

        That’s why you lied so clumsily? Would you like to provoke anti-Jewish sentiments here? Indeed, it is often such boastful and untrue statements of your fellow tribesmen that cause hostility ...
        1. Minuteman
          Minuteman 15 June 2013 21: 11 New
          -7
          Learn materiel
          1. smile
            smile 15 June 2013 21: 43 New
            +2
            Minuteman
            What a harsh statement :))) So adult uncles say? :))))
            Jews are not my materiel and I’m not going to teach them ... otherwise they will start to teach me :))). I'd rather communicate with them ... well, in any case, with normal ones. And you, malshik, would do well to refresh your knowledge of arithmetic ... if history doesn’t give you intentionally ... :)))
            I understand that each patriot of his own is normal, but your statement is akin to if I said that in Tsakhal in the most important posts that ensured IDF victory in all successful Israeli wars, Russians sat with a little admixture of Jewish blood ... :) )))
          2. pavelk
            pavelk 16 June 2013 19: 07 New
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            It is a fact. In the rear of the Jews was much more than in the front line.
            In general, your comments have nothing to do with the article.
          3. vyatom
            vyatom 18 June 2013 11: 18 New
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            What did you mean by that one-minute person?
            Jews fought like everyone else. And even better, because they knew what was waiting for them in captivity.
            Anti-Semitism is definitely not appropriate here.
      2. reichsmarshal
        reichsmarshal 15 June 2013 23: 11 New
        +1
        By the way, Vainrub and Dragoonsky once wrote a letter calling for forceful pressure on Israel and the cessation of attacks on Arabs.
  12. Minuteman
    Minuteman 15 June 2013 18: 53 New
    -7
    In technically complex military branches, where conscripts with a certain level of education were required (tank troops, artillery, air defense, communications troops) there were "outrageous Jews", judging by the recollections of war veterans - almost one in ten. Many commanders can be recalled by name. So, the commanders of the armored and mechanized troops of the Leningrad, Northwest, 2nd Baltic, 2nd Belorussian, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Ukrainian fronts were, respectively, Khasin, Preysman, Chernyavsky, Rabinovich, Binovich, Echt and Raikin.
    Among the commanders of the tank and mechanized brigades were 32 (thirty-two) Jews. There was such a unique episode in the history of the war: on August 19, 1941 a KV tank from the 1st tank regiment of the 1st tank division on the Luga-Gatchina road stopped a convoy of 22 German tanks; tank commander - JEWS Zinovy ​​Grigorievich Kolobanov, battalion commander - JEWS Joseph B. Shpiller. The commander of the second battalion of the 1st TP was also called beautifully - Aron Zakharovich. The first soldier of the ground forces who was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union during the war was the commander of the 1st motorized infantry division, Yakov Kreizer (the award was signed on July 15, 1941). The chief of the operational department of the division headquarters is Vladimir Naumovich Ratner. On April 21, 1945, the 219th Tank Brigade (brigade commander Evsey Grigorievich Vainrub) and the 1st Guards Tank Brigade (brigade commander Abram Matveevich Temnik) were the first to break into the streets of Berlin.
    On April 30, 1945, the tank brigade of the Jew David Dragunsky joined the tank corps of the Jew Semyon Krivoshein. Berlin was surrounded. For these fights, Dragoon will receive the second Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union, and Krivoshein the first. David Dragunsky took part in the Victory Day parade on June 24, 1945.
    1. rexby63
      rexby63 16 June 2013 13: 17 New
      +3
      They say that even Vladimir Krasnoy Sunny was a Jew. And about the Semitic roots of Temujin legends go. But what is it - Adam is the first Stopudian Jew and part-time first man. Well, and as a result, we all come out a bit with pace
  13. falcon
    falcon 15 June 2013 20: 17 New
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    Article-plus. Thanks to the author! Once again I bow before the courage of our Veterans!
  14. knn54
    knn54 15 June 2013 21: 46 New
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    The commander of the 1st Panzer Division V.I. Baranov presented the CREW to the rank of Hero. But Kolobanov was repressed for fraternizing with the Finns after signing the peace treaty. He was reinstated in the ranks of the Red Army at the beginning of the Second World War. Hence, such awards.
    After the battle, the KV-1 crew counted 156 (!) Traces of hits.
    - Minuteman- where does the information come from that Kolobanov is Jewish (Russian is written in the award sheet)?
  15. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 15 June 2013 21: 51 New
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    Quote: Blackgrifon
    Quote: Fibrizio
    I read about this event, thank God the Germans in the early stages of the war could not effectively fight against our heavy tanks. And so the KV-1 gun is rather weak. But it is really very armored. And it seems to me that he fought against captured tanks, Czech, French. Just if there was Panzer 4 with 75mm, they would have set the heat for it too. Although there is a result, you should try at least one hit on your own.


    1. 76 mm gun KV-1 exceeded the armament of all Nazi tanks at that time.
    2. Pz. IV with a 75 mm cannon capable of fighting Soviet tanks, in 41, has not yet appeared at the front.
    3. The main tanks of the Nazis at that time were: Pz. III and Pz. 38t. None of them were able to defeat the KV-1 in open battle.
    4. Pz. 38t is a Czech tank that went through the entire 2MB. And self-propelled guns “Hetzer” based on it were made in Czechoslovakia even after 45 years.
    5. Of all the French tanks, the S-35 and Char B1 were sent to the Eastern Front in their mass, but given the technical characteristics in this battle, it could most likely operate S-35. The latter was superior to ALL German tanks in armor and weapons.
    6. The tactics of "ambush" more than once brought the Soviet tankers a victory over the arrogant enemy. A vivid example is the first battle with the Royal Tiger.

    Conclusion - your arguments are not reasoned and do not correspond to reality.

    Maybe you read inattentively, but what you wrote to me does not contradict what I wrote above. Let's figure it out:
    Your points 3,4,5,6 to put it mildly do not refute anything, but rather confirm my words, this time.
    Second, about a 76mm gun, judging by the photo, if it’s 76mm, it’s extremely short, and the shorter the barrel, the lower the initial velocity of the projectile, which directly affects its penetration (at the time of 41g the gun is sufficient, but such a gun on subsequent tanks were not set, and obviously because it was weak). Further, if you look in what context I was talking about the 4th Panzer, then in my opinion I clearly explained about the subjunctive mood, and blaming that it had not yet been stupid enough, because it really wasn’t there and couldn’t be.
    Someone was talking about the 75mm short gun at the panzer 4 (here I ask for advice), wasn’t the 105mm high explosive, or both?
    And let's see if the dialogue about what was meant in the first post started. The first thought was that at the time of 1g, for our happiness, the Germans had mostly light tanks with which the KV-41 could perfectly fight with its short-barreled gun. 1e, I never pleaded with the virtues of Kolobanov or his crew. 2rd, e said that the armor of the KV-3 was excellent. 1th, I mentioned that not all tanks were of German production, and in the end I emphasized the actual superiority of the KV-4 over opponents, saying that the 1th armor which did not exist yet.
    I did not quite understand the posts where I smeared someone with feces or something like that ... There was no such purpose at all.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 18 June 2013 00: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Fibrizio
      Someone was talking about the 75mm short gun at the panzer 4 (here I ask for advice), wasn’t the 105mm high explosive, or both?


      On modifications Pz. IV at that moment were short-barreled guns. They were more suitable for fighting infantry. Later, 75 mm guns appeared that could successfully destroy all Soviet tanks of that period.

      Quote: Fibrizio
      talked about the 4th panzer, then in my opinion I clearly explained about the subjunctive mood, and blaming that he had not yet been stupid enough, because it really wasn’t there and couldn’t be.


      I did not blame you - all adults are here, but I argued with you - the truth is born in a dispute. The reason for this dispute is this: you claimed that the appearance of Pz. IV with a 75 mm long-barreled gun could change the course of the battle. I explain my arguments:
      On point 6. - A vivid example - Wittman, attacking suddenly, during his most famous battle, first of all, struck a few Firefly (the main fighting vehicles of the Allies, which could withstand tigers and panthers), and then gave the “gentlemen” a uniform lesson that HOW to fight. Consequently, competent actions, regardless of conditions, allow you to win.
      On points 4. and 5. The voiced tanks could knock out the KV-1, the side of which at a certain distance was hit by their regular weapons. Consequently, in large numbers they could pose a real threat to the Soviet tank.
      Accordingly, the battle was not a “beating of infants” and could have ended sadly at any moment.
  16. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 15 June 2013 21: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Minuteman
    In technically complex military branches, where conscripts with a certain level of education were required (tank troops, artillery, air defense, communications troops) there were "outrageous Jews", judging by the recollections of war veterans - almost one in ten. Many commanders can be recalled by name. So, the commanders of the armored and mechanized troops of the Leningrad, Northwest, 2nd Baltic, 2nd Belorussian, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Ukrainian fronts were, respectively, Khasin, Preysman, Chernyavsky, Rabinovich, Binovich, Echt and Raikin.
    Among the commanders of the tank and mechanized brigades were 32 (thirty-two) Jews. There was such a unique episode in the history of the war: on August 19, 1941 a KV tank from the 1st tank regiment of the 1st tank division on the Luga-Gatchina road stopped a convoy of 22 German tanks; tank commander - JEWS Zinovy ​​Grigorievich Kolobanov, battalion commander - JEWS Joseph B. Shpiller. The commander of the second battalion of the 1st TP was also called beautifully - Aron Zakharovich. The first soldier of the ground forces who was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union during the war was the commander of the 1st motorized infantry division, Yakov Kreizer (the award was signed on July 15, 1941). The chief of the operational department of the division headquarters is Vladimir Naumovich Ratner. On April 21, 1945, the 219th Tank Brigade (brigade commander Evsey Grigorievich Vainrub) and the 1st Guards Tank Brigade (brigade commander Abram Matveevich Temnik) were the first to break into the streets of Berlin.
    On April 30, 1945, the tank brigade of the Jew David Dragunsky joined the tank corps of the Jew Semyon Krivoshein. Berlin was surrounded. For these fights, Dragoon will receive the second Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union, and Krivoshein the first. David Dragunsky took part in the Victory Day parade on June 24, 1945.


    Well, let's say they were Jews, many deservedly do not really like Jews. But we seem to evaluate them by results and not by last name. It was these Jews who fought on an equal footing with the Russians, Tajiks and Belarusians, and not all were in headquarters. Their actions were no different from the actions of people of another nation.
    Unfortunately, this nation has a higher education in honor, and it is not surprising that those. Specialists and command were precisely immigrants from the Jews.
  17. Minuteman
    Minuteman 16 June 2013 00: 56 New
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    Anti-tank "hedgehogs" became one of the most famous images of that war.
    A monument to these "hedgehogs" was erected near Moscow. However, almost no one knows the name of the creator of this simple, but very effective design - General Mikhail Gorikker. It looked so simple, the invention became an effective obstacle to German tanks rushing to Moscow.
    A lieutenant Boris Shelishch, in besieged Leningrad, implemented his hydrogen project - he converted 200 trucks from gas to hydrogen.

    501 thousand Jews fought on the fronts of World War II and more than 45 thousand - in partisan detachments, 24% of the entire Jewish population of the USSR. 198 thousand Jews died in battle or died of wounds, more than 170 thousand were awarded military orders and medals, 157 Jews became Heroes of the Soviet Union.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 16 June 2013 01: 12 New
      +1
      Why are you so obsessed with the Jews?
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    1. studentmati
      studentmati 16 June 2013 01: 24 New
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      Try to work with the cache and browser, it should pass.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 16 June 2013 01: 29 New
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        Fuck it, it's some kind of troll fixated on Jews
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 16 June 2013 01: 32 New
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          Campaign - it is ...
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 16 June 2013 01: 35 New
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            Yes, you read his comments, this is n ... c complete! His couple of comments have also been deleted
  19. slaventi
    slaventi 16 June 2013 04: 44 New
    +5
    No one denies the participation of Jews in the Second World War. But protrusion is out of place. Jews have such a habit of attributing everything to Jews. When it is beneficial for them, for example, they say Lenin was a Jew, Pushkin was a Jew, although Pushkin was not a Jew. repression, how many Jews were in the leadership of the ogpu and the gulag, Especially in the 20-30 years, the "majority". We won the war together, but the main tests fell on the shoulders of the Russian people. The strength of Russia in the unity of its peoples.
    1. Minuteman
      Minuteman 16 June 2013 16: 28 New
      -8
      Indus climbed winter. The sun dashed out, stitches-paths fell apart.
      We amuse the foul darlings. We will expose the small parasite folk, we will give to world Zionism at its clawed paws.
      Russia is not indifferent to the Jews, which does not prevent it from lovingly licking the Caucasian ass.
      1. slaventi
        slaventi 16 June 2013 19: 05 New
        0
        We don’t suffer anti-Semitism towards Jews, there is no sense in “convicting the small people”, everything has already been convicted, it’s necessary to tell the truth, and not least for ourselves, so that we don’t go for another slaughter. Of course, the Jews are not indifferent to the Caucasus. Russia. Do not forget Russia in the occupation for over 20 years, but will soon be free.
  20. kind
    kind 16 June 2013 13: 03 New
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    For this outstanding battle performance, Senior Lieutenant Z. G. Kolobanov was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of War, and his gunner Senior Sergeant A. Usov was introduced to the Order of Lenin.

    For this battle, at least they had to assign the Heroes of the USSR, and even give a couple of orders! The Real Heroes did not flinch, did not ask for help, but competently and skillfully worked out the Fritz! A low bow to them and eternal memory!
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 June 2013 16: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Good
      For this battle, at least they had to assign the Heroes of the USSR, and even give a couple of orders! The Real Heroes did not flinch, did not ask for help, but competently and skillfully worked out the Fritz! A low bow to them and eternal memory!


      All tank crew members were represented by the regiment commander Pogodin to the rank of Heroes of the Soviet Union, but not one received the rank. The question of assigning Zinovy ​​Grigoryevich Kolobanov the highest award of Russia - the Hero of the Russian Federation - was initiated by Vasily Monich, who, at his own expense, erected a memorial monument to the tankman at the Chizhovsky cemetery in Minsk in 2006 [17]. This issue was repeatedly and unsuccessfully raised by various veteran organizations, once again in June of the 2011 of the year, the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg [35] [36] of the 15 of July of the 2011 of the year appealed to Lieutenant Colonel Z. G. Kolobanov (posthumously) Colonel-General V.P. Goremykin, Head of the Main Directorate of Personnel of the Ministry of Defense, refused to award Zinoviy Kolobanov the title of Hero of Russia, considering the award unreasonable [37]: “At present, It is not possible to doubt and review the decision to award Z. G. Kolobanov, as well as to determine the motives that guided the higher command when changing the type of award to the officer. ”
  21. Minuteman
    Minuteman 16 June 2013 16: 31 New
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    The author of KB and IP was called Joseph Yakovlevich Kotin. A powerful V-34 diesel engine designed by Yakov Efimovich Vikhman, a Jew of nationality, created at the Kharkov plant, was installed in the T-2 tank.
    Tankograd - there was no such city on the map, but they knew about it at the front and in the rear, it was reported in the reports of the Soviet Information Bureau. The founder and director of Tankograd was Isaac Moiseevich Salzman. Americans and British called him the king of tanks.
    On October 16, 1941, 16 people flew to Chelyabinsk. The group was led by Isaac Zaltsman. He was appointed director of the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant and at the same time deputy commissar of the tank industry of the USSR. A month later, Isaac Moiseevich cut the scarlet ribbon, and the first Chelyabinsk heavy tank KV left the plant. History does not know such examples, so that within one month the entire huge plant was rebuilt to produce new machines. It is believed that this is technically impossible. Zaltsman proved - perhaps. Tankograd began to operate and every day increased the production of military vehicles. It is now difficult to imagine that until June 22, 1941, the Ural factories of the USSR did not produce a single tank, and that before the Nazi armies attacked the Soviet Union, neither their engineers nor workers simply knew how to approach this type of military production.
    The defense of the heroic Brest Fortress in 1941 was led by a native of the Belarusian town near Liozno, Vitebsk Region, regimental commissar of the 84th Infantry Regiment Efim Moiseevich Fomin. The fortress became a hero. But the seriously traumatized organizer and commander of an unprecedented defense were betrayed by traitors - in order to save their own skin. The Nazis primarily demanded the extradition of political commissars and Jews. On Fomin came one and the other. Efim Moiseevich Fomin was immediately shot by the Nazis near the Kholm Gate of the fortress.
    1. sevtrash
      sevtrash 16 June 2013 23: 49 New
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      Without diminishing merit, but
      From the Wiki - The V-2 engine was developed in 1931-1939 by the design team of the diesel department of the Kharkov Steam Engine Plant, first under the leadership of K. F. Chelpan, and then, since 1938, under the leadership of T. P. Chupakhin, his deputy for design work - Ya. E. Vikhman, Deputy for experimental production work - I. Ya. Trashutina. In the post-war period, V. D. Chudakov, head of the Design Bureau of ChTZ motor installations, made a great contribution to the improvement of V-2.
    2. builder
      builder 26 June 2013 02: 21 New
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      Music by Jan Frenkel, words of Inna Goff, sung by Joseph Kobzon: Hello, Russian field, I’m your thin spikelet!
  22. Minuteman
    Minuteman 16 June 2013 16: 36 New
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    The author of KB and IP was called Joseph Yakovlevich Kotin.
    A powerful V-34 diesel engine designed by Yakov Efimovich Vikhman, a Jew of nationality, created at the Kharkov plant, was installed in the T-2 tank.
    Tankograd - there was no such city on the map, but they knew about it at the front and in the rear, it was reported in the reports of the Soviet Information Bureau. The founder and director of Tankograd was Isaac Moiseevich Salzman. Americans and British called him the king of tanks.
    On October 16, 1941, 16 people flew to Chelyabinsk. The group was led by Isaac Zaltsman. He was appointed director of the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant and at the same time deputy commissar of the tank industry of the USSR. A month later, Isaac Moiseevich cut the scarlet ribbon, and the first Chelyabinsk heavy tank KV left the plant. History does not know such examples, so that within one month the entire huge plant was rebuilt to produce new machines. It is believed that this is technically impossible. Zaltsman proved - perhaps. Tankograd began to operate and every day increased the production of military vehicles. It is now difficult to imagine that until June 22, 1941, the Ural factories of the USSR did not produce a single tank, and that before the Nazi armies attacked the Soviet Union, neither their engineers nor workers simply knew how to approach this type of military production.
    The defense of the heroic Brest Fortress in 1941 was led by a native of the Belarusian town near Liozno, Vitebsk Region, regimental commissar of the 84th Infantry Regiment Efim Moiseevich Fomin. The fortress became a hero. But the seriously traumatized organizer and commander of an unprecedented defense were betrayed by traitors - in order to save their own skin. The Nazis primarily demanded the extradition of political commissars and Jews. On Fomin came one and the other. Efim Moiseevich Fomin was immediately shot by the Nazis near the Kholm Gate of the fortress.
    And MiG fighters - our fighter everything from MiG-15 to MiG-31 - guess two times, Mikoyan and Gurevich - who is Armenian and who is Jewish.
    About rockets and atomic bombs we will not.
    One of the secrets of the Russian fleet - Admiral Nakhimov was also a Jew. The son of a small nobleman of the Smolensk province indicated by encyclopedias only means that his father from the cantonists was baptized and became a junior officer, which gave his personal (not hereditary) nobility - with the right to receive baptized children in military schools. However, Nakhimov’s wife categorically refused to be baptized, the sons were circumcised on the eighth day, and they lived their whole life in a civil marriage - without a wedding and without a Jewish rite.
    1. pavelk
      pavelk 16 June 2013 19: 14 New
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      A Jew is not a nationality - this is a profession. It is strange that the Arab posts so well about Jews.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 17 June 2013 18: 28 New
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        A Jew is, first of all, one who is not shy and knows how to think.
        And all the rest is just the envy of those who are shy and can not.
    2. sevtrash
      sevtrash 17 June 2013 00: 09 New
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      Again, by no means belittling the merits of Mikhail Iosifovich Gurevich, an outstanding aircraft designer, the beginning of their joint work with Mikoyan - MiG-1 and MiG-3, why didn’t they be mentioned? Because on the background of Yak and La they were worse?
      "Our fighter all" only in relation to MiG is not entirely correct, but Sukhoi, and Lavochkin, and Polikarpov?
      Retired Gurevich M.I. in 1964.
      From Wiki - Work on the creation of the MiG-31 fighter-interceptor began at the Design Bureau named after A.I. Mikoyan in 1968. In the initial phase, the work was led by the chief designer A. A. Chumachenko. Then, at the stage of deep engineering development and testing, - G. E. Lozino-Lozinsky. In 1975, after Gleb Evgenievich began developing the Buran, Konstantin Konstantinovich Vasilchenko led the work on creating the aircraft.
    3. sevtrash
      sevtrash 17 June 2013 00: 26 New
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      Pavel Stepanovich was born on June 23 (July 5), 1802, in the village of Gorodok (modern village of Nakhimovskoye) of the Vyazemsky district of Smolensk province in a poor and large family of noble family of a retired military - seconds-major Stepan Nakhimov from the Cossack-Cossack family, which he was always proud of. And although in historical sources there are several options for the origin of the Nakhimov clan, it is indisputable that the ancestors of Nakhimov are Ukrainian Cossacks.

      At the beginning of the XX century. historian V.L.Modzalevsky made an assumption about the origin of the Slobozhansky Nakhimovs from a certain Andrei Nakhimenko who lived in Poltava in the 2nd half of the 1758th century. According to other sources, the founder of the Ukrainian family of the Nakhimovskys was in the closest circle of the hetman I. Mazepa - the general secretary of the Zaporizhzhya Army Fyodor Nakhimovsky. Under the hetman, Orlik Nakhimovsky performed a diplomatic mission and was ambassador to the Crimea, died and was buried in XNUMX in Bakhchisarai.

      Alexander Nakhimov, a Muscovite, the only representative of the Nakhimov’s clan living in the CIS, writes: “There were no Jews or crosses in our noble Admiral’s clan. Just as there were no shoemakers, barbers, or shinkars in it, but there were naval officers (in particular, six admirals), district leaders of the nobility, heroes of the guerrilla war of 1812, etc., - a purely military bone can be traced in our family from distant ancestors. "

      Great-great-grandfather of naval commander Timofey was a Zaporozhye Cossack. The grandfather of the future naval commander Mikhailo (Manuilo) Timofeevich Nakhimov served in the Akhtyrsky Sloboda Cossack Regiment, later dashing hussars and dragoons came out of him, covering themselves with military glory near Poltava, in battles with Napoleon, with the Germans in the First World War. Mikhail Nakhimov participated in the famous Suvorov campaigns - Ochakovsky and Khotinsky. In 1757, by decree of Empress Elizabeth Petrovna was granted the rank of centurion "for impeccable service and merit." With this decree begins the nobility of the Nakhimovs.
    4. sevtrash
      sevtrash 17 June 2013 00: 34 New
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      As combined with what you indicated: “Now it’s hard to imagine that until June 22, 1941 the Ural factories of the USSR did not produce a single tank, that before the attack of the Nazi armies on the Soviet Union, neither their engineers nor workers simply knew how to approach this species military products "

      What is written about the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant in Wiki:
      1940 year. Tractor builders conducted experimental work on the development of the production of heavy KV tanks designed by the Leningrad Kirov Plant, and the 12-plunger fuel pump TN-12 for aircraft engines of heavy bombers. On December 31, 1940, the State Commission adopted the first Chelyabinsk tank.
    5. rexby63
      rexby63 25 June 2013 19: 52 New
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      Isn't that the Salzman that Ginzburg actually killed?
  23. Bobrovsky
    Bobrovsky 16 June 2013 18: 38 New
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    Here they wrote about the not-so-strong KV gun. There is some truth here. A tank with powerful armor had every chance of having a stronger gun. We know this now, we knew about it then. But the whole point is that at that time the F-32 cannon, which was on the HF, had no competitors among our enemy’s tanks. It was then that the Germans installed on the Panther a long-barreled 75 mm gun with an enhanced charge. In addition to the military’s desire, there is also an economic component, and the larger the caliber, the more expensive each shot costs the country. Therefore, what stood on the HF quite suited everyone at that time in terms of both combat and economic indicators. Yes, the T-34 cannon having the same caliber was more powerful. But even there, meeting the wishes of the tankers, the barrel was shortened by 760 mm, i.e. ten calibers. The gun immediately lost power. The theory was then in use that, overcoming an obstacle, the same anti-tank moat, the tank should not cling to the ground with a barrel. The Germans at the beginning of the war in general on the tanks were not guns, but stubs.
    Kolobanov's team was a qualified and friendly crew. But nature also helped. And if it were not for the swamp, then such a rout would obviously not have happened. But the fact that the authorities regretted the title of Heroes for the guys is a shame on such authorities. As the commander of the regiment of one of my friends used to say - Kola, I’m not a hero, so I won’t be a hero!
    The diesel device is no secret. They did them before B-2, they still do. The novelty was that the engine casing was not cast iron, but made of aluminum alloy. But they did not know how to cast aluminum cases for diesel engines. The trick was that in the cast body air bubbles and shells were obtained. They tried to make diesel for the tank and the Germans, but they did not succeed in achieving castings without flaws. It was able to our engineers. The difference between a diesel engine in a tank is efficiency and a larger power reserve. They showed such a trick to the newcomers in the war - they put a jar of gasoline, and next to the diesel fuel. And they threw a burning match here and there. Gasoline naturally flared up, but diesel fuel did not. It was encouraging. But when a shell hit a tank, gasoline and diesel fuel flashed. And they burned well, both of them.
  24. Bobrovsky
    Bobrovsky 16 June 2013 18: 44 New
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    What is this dispute about the Jews went. In every nation there are heroes and cowards, and the Jews are no different from the others. There was a combat combatant Caesar Kunikov, there were Jewish heroes (I do not mean a golden star on the chest). And there were shoemakers, artists, hairdressers and procurers, also Jews. I had a friend - Mikhail Mikhailovich Viziltir, who drove the entire war to the ZIS-5 as a driver. So what. Whom fate threw where he fought there.
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  26. builder
    builder 17 June 2013 01: 12 New
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    Panorama of the column destroyed by Kolobanov (photo from the site "Courage")
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 17 June 2013 09: 29 New
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      there were no things, this is not Kolobanovskaya column
  27. Minuteman
    Minuteman 17 June 2013 05: 59 New
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    Fourteen years before the birth of our great countryman Mikhail Vasilievich LOMONOSOV, Pomeranian fishermen from the village of Kholmogory stumbled upon the wreckage of a Dutch merchant ship. Of the entire team of brave sailors, only one young man, Abraham Schnobelmann, remained alive. Kind pomors left the victim, attached him to the marine business. Now the former Jung was called Vasily NOSOV (snobber translated from Yiddish - nose). In addition to fishing and hunting for sea animals, the young Pomor showed innate talents in trading and very soon became a well-to-do one. Vasily enjoyed great success among local beauties (the indefatigable love of Russians for everything foreign was reflected), for which more than once was thoroughly beaten by local couplets. For which he received the nickname Lomonos, which later became his last name. At the birth of the first-born, Vasily Lomonos had scandals with his young wife. The reason for this was an incomprehensible ritual performed by the father with the childbearing organ of his son, the meaning of which was not understood by the dark peasant woman.
    “It's so beautiful,” Vasily assured the uneducated woman ... And hygienically.
    The further history of this Pomeranian boy knows the whole enlightened world.
    It must be said that Mikhail Vasilievich Lomonosov was never shy of his Jewish origin. On the contrary, close friends in letters addressed him easily: Dear Moshe! But the reactionary tsarist government ordered the scientist not to advertise his nationality under the threat of eviction beyond the Pale of Settlement. Mikhail Vasilievich was a Russian patriot and did not mind.
    For the first time the question of declassifying archival documents was raised in 1924 by Lev Davidovich Trotsky (Bronstein). But Trotsky met fierce resistance from Joseph Vissarionovich STALIN (Dzhugashvili). Some modern historians believe that this is what became the main reason for the murder of Trotsky. The Kremlin has always been able to reliably keep its secrets.
    The news of the origin of the great Russian scientist stirred up the whole world community. The World Jewish Congress immediately made a proposal to the Minister of Education of the Russian Federation to rename Moscow State University named after Mikhail Lomonosov to the International Russian-Jewish University named after Moishe Schnobelman. So far, the minister has agreed after the word Lomonosov to duplicate in parentheses the real name of the scientist.
    “What a sneaky people, they wanted to appropriate the last genius. Not enough of them their Landau and Joffs!” - State Duma deputy, terry anti-Semite and bandit, General Albert MAKASHOV expressed his indignation and threatened to take to the streets all honest Russian anti-Semites.
    In the meantime, in the Moscow Choral Synagogue, fundraising has begun for the construction of a Jewish temple in the village of Kholmogory, Arkhangelsk Region. The current account for donations can be found in the editorial office of the newspaper Pravda Severo-Zapad.
  28. Minuteman
    Minuteman 17 June 2013 06: 00 New
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    Fourteen years before the birth of our great countryman Mikhail Vasilievich LOMONOSOV, Pomeranian fishermen from the village of Kholmogory stumbled upon the wreckage of a Dutch merchant ship. Of the entire team of brave sailors, only one young man, Abraham Schnobelmann, remained alive. Kind pomors left the victim, attached him to the marine business. Now the former Jung was called Vasily NOSOV (snobber translated from Yiddish - nose). In addition to fishing and hunting for sea animals, the young Pomor showed innate talents in trading and very soon became a well-to-do one. Vasily enjoyed great success among local beauties (the indefatigable love of Russians for everything foreign was reflected), for which more than once was thoroughly beaten by local couplets. For which he received the nickname Lomonos, which later became his last name. At the birth of the first-born, Vasily Lomonos had scandals with his young wife. The reason for this was an incomprehensible ritual performed by the father with the childbearing organ of his son, the meaning of which was not understood by the dark peasant woman.
    “It's so beautiful,” Vasily assured the uneducated woman ... And hygienically.
    The further history of this Pomeranian boy knows the whole enlightened world.
    It must be said that Mikhail Vasilievich Lomonosov was never shy of his Jewish origin. On the contrary, close friends in letters addressed him easily: Dear Moshe! But the reactionary tsarist government ordered the scientist not to advertise his nationality under the threat of eviction beyond the Pale of Settlement. Mikhail Vasilievich was a Russian patriot and did not mind.
    For the first time the question of declassifying archival documents was raised in 1924 by Lev Davidovich Trotsky (Bronstein). But Trotsky met fierce resistance from Joseph Vissarionovich STALIN (Dzhugashvili). Some modern historians believe that this is what became the main reason for the murder of Trotsky. The Kremlin has always been able to reliably keep its secrets.
    The news of the origin of the great Russian scientist stirred up the whole world community. The World Jewish Congress immediately made a proposal to the Minister of Education of the Russian Federation to rename Moscow State University named after Mikhail Lomonosov to the International Russian-Jewish University named after Moishe Schnobelman. So far, the minister has agreed after the word Lomonosov to duplicate in parentheses the real name of the scientist.
    “What a sneaky people, they wanted to appropriate the last genius. Not enough of them their Landau and Joffs!” - State Duma deputy, terry anti-Semite and bandit, General Albert MAKASHOV expressed his indignation and threatened to take to the streets all honest Russian anti-Semites.
    In the meantime, in the Moscow Choral Synagogue, fundraising has begun for the construction of a Jewish temple in the village of Kholmogory, Arkhangelsk Region. The current account for donations can be found in the editorial office of the newspaper Pravda Severo-Zapad.
    1. sevtrash
      sevtrash 17 June 2013 16: 09 New
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      About Lomonosov:
      The mention of the Pomorsky Lomonosov family dates back to the 1647th century, to the time of Ivan the Terrible. The grandfather of the future scientist Dorofei Leontyevich (1683–XNUMX), his father Vasily Dorofeevich, and many relatives were residents of Kurostrov. Like most Kurostrov pomors, they were engaged in tilling, but their main business was fishing and hunting.

      At the beginning of the XVIII century, the Lomonosov family had an average income. It had a relatively large land allotment (about 67 measured fathoms - the length of the arable strip), but the main source of well-being was marine fishing.

      Swimming in the harsh northern seas was not easy and dangerous. Pomors united in artels. Almost all the Lomonosov villages of Mishaninskaya lived as a single family until the beginning of the 20s of the XVIII century, men went out to sea together. The Lomonosov family belonged to experienced sailors. Documents indicate that as far back as 1710, Luka Leontyevich Lomonosov (1646-1727), the cousin of the future scientist, was a feedman - a senior in the fishing artel. And this means that he knew the sea routes well, knew how to manage ships, that is, he knew the navigation business.

      Mr. Minuteman, have you been called Munchausen?
  29. slaventi
    slaventi 17 June 2013 09: 01 New
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    Quote: Minuteman
    It must be said that Mikhail Vasilievich Lomonosov was never shy of his Jewish origin.
    Propaganda rhetoric aims to sow distrust in one’s own history, inculcate an inferiority complex, mix falsehood and truth. Passing myths out of reality is all part of the arsenal of ideological struggle. Why Lomonosov. Because he is the first Russian scientist, a natural scientist. So Lomonosov is a Jew, another myth. A military review, the Internet is not only an information field where they exchange opinions and receive information, but also a battlefield, Where the enemy is at war. During the Patriotic War, the Germans also conducted propaganda with th protivnika.No demoralize our ancestors did not succumb to it.
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    2. Svyatoslav72
      Svyatoslav72 17 June 2013 12: 39 New
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      That overseas comrade, under the "mattress pennant", forgot the main Jewish distinguishing feature: -Jews have a nationality maternal, the rest are the same "not up to the Jews" as the rest are not "god-chosen peoples."
      Good propaganda, even convincing. But! Russian is not only racial and ethnic Slavic origin, it is also a moral and ethical component and psycho-physical preparation. Russians without Jews were able to do much and much, it’s a pity that they’ve almost finished it now, there remains only one eroded name and neglect as a consumable.
  30. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 17 June 2013 19: 38 New
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    Quote: Svyatoslav72
    That overseas comrade, under the "mattress pennant", forgot the main Jewish distinguishing feature: -Jews have a nationality maternal, the rest are the same "not up to the Jews" as the rest are not "god-chosen peoples."
    Good propaganda, even convincing. But! Russian is not only racial and ethnic Slavic origin, it is also a moral and ethical component and psycho-physical preparation. Russians without Jews were able to do much and much, it’s a pity that they’ve almost finished it now, there remains only one eroded name and neglect as a consumable.

    But didn’t it happen after the Second World War? A friend of mine told me (a Jew) that almost the entire Jewish male population was killed, and therefore they began to consider nationality only by women.
    1. Svyatoslav72
      Svyatoslav72 17 June 2013 19: 51 New
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      Quote: Fibrizio

      But didn’t it happen after the Second World War? A friend of mine told me (a Jew) that almost the entire Jewish male population was killed, and therefore they began to consider nationality only by women.

      No! initially even in mixed marriages there was a ban on Jewish affiliation. But! later, according to the Talmud, Judaism was determined by mother, since most Jewish women were raped by the Romans (this is a historical and religious dogma).
  31. lexe
    lexe 18 June 2013 01: 54 New
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    I am amazed at the impudence of the Germans in 1941. perls on light tanks as if there was no war. some sort of motor rally. Detaching these mobile groups from infantry with a mopping-up function inevitably led the Germans to be ambushed. I think if our ambushes in the summer were more numerous and the Wehrmacht’s pace of attack was thought to be an order of magnitude smaller. You can see another Kolobanov at every intersection - yes, it’s physically possible and morally exhaust the enemy and reduce his speed.
    But the Germans could be "prompted" directions for strikes, mining all the rear roads and creating ambushes.The question is what should be the ideal structure of the ambush unit and the composition of weapons.Ved distracted by KV to fight with Fri. So the Germans had a chance.
    The enemy was on light tanks in 1941. that means N-th crew and mortar crews would have been enough. And this is still the easiest option without the artillery / sappers \ tanks. In other words, in 1941. we could really blunt the tank wedges with small forces and eventually transfer the war to the plane of the dispute between infantry and artillery, as always, but this was not done and our soldiers fell into the cauldrons thanks to German tanks that weren’t particularly shiny.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 18 June 2013 09: 51 New
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      I am amazed at the impudence of the Germans in 1941. perls on light tanks as if there was no war. some sort of motor rally. The separation of these mobile groups from the infantry with the sweep function inevitably led the Germans to be ambushed.
      Are you familiar with the camphor working scheme? what nafig avtobegi?
      In other words, in 1941. we could really blunt the tank wedges with small forces, eventually translating the war into the plane of the dispute of infantry and artillery as always

      if yes anyhow ...
      1. lexe
        lexe 18 June 2013 14: 13 New
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        the fact that the Germans included all types and types of weapons in the strike groups is understandable. And motorized infantry and artillery. But all this was on wheels. According to Guderian, the motor, which means higher speed in sections that have the similarity of roads. against an adversary who is able to create superiority anywhere at the expense of the motor and wheels is unrealistic. But by deliberate weakening of front sections, the Germans could be forced to go where they would have been waiting. Not a panacea, of course, is one of the options. It was hard to part with one land in 1941g.No catch the Germans with their kamfgruppami on the march through the creation of small mobile detachments with trained and persistent fighters it was necessary to! Kolobanov proved it! Only this happened near the 2nd largest city, where tanks will appear, it was already clear. And was it in other places on the plain? - Massively not. That's the point.
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 18 June 2013 15: 41 New
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          but it was necessary to catch the Germans with their camphor groups on the march by creating small mobile detachments with trained and staunch fighters! Kolobanov proved it! Only this happened near the 2-th largest city, where the tanks will appear, it was already clear. But was it in other places on the plain? - Massively not. That’s the point.

          Once again, are you familiar with the camphor working scheme?
          apparently not

          German shock groups included all types and types of weapons
          re-read it again and think about what will happen with the ambush that has a tank regiment battalion, motorcycle battalion company, rifle regiment battalion, 2 artillery battalion 105mm howitzers, reconnaissance battalion, pontoon battalion parts, one heavy 88UM mm and one light one and one anti-aircraft battery, battery of the heavy mortar division 37 cm, artillery regiment of guns 21cm and artillery battery + air reconnaissance

          and secondly, where is that crystal ball that says to us, "in an hour the Germans will be there!" or say, “run around”
        2. Gahprom
          Gahprom 18 June 2013 16: 02 New
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          Kolobanov proved it!


          And what did he prove? According to the Germans, it turns out that there are no such losses, and figs with them with the Germans, this is another and interesting question.
          So what do we have?

          -Who prepared the defense and marked out the sites? Kolobanov? no
          -Who prepared intelligence that the Germans would go there in such numbers? Kolobanov? no
          - Who covered the flanks, provided resistance to the infantry? Kolobanov? no
          However, we only know Kolobanov, and rarely who knows his crew, few do not know that there were tanks and infantry, not even by name.
          In the bottom line, we have a fantastic account of a loner and an article of the “type of crucifer”.
          It is for this reason that I am categorically against exaltation of singles at the expense of others. There Kolobanov did not win, there won a lot of unknown people. Respect their feat.
          Negative on health.
          1. lexe
            lexe 18 June 2013 17: 03 New
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            Well, there are no other names ... He led the battle. And respect for everyone except the Germans.) - where did you see in my words not respect? And I'm not going to minus you.
            Sites of defense? - it was rather a typical rearguard — not a step back.
            Intelligence, but what structure of divisions of the Wehrmacht was not known to us?
            In what place? -So to Leningrad they were torn and stupidly brazenly on the roads. And it was impossible to meet ...
            It must be remembered that in 1941. there was a certain panic at meetings with the panzervaffe. Kolobanov, however, wasn’t at all afraid of the mass Soviet product, he won over in cold blood. For me, he’s kind of cooler than Wittman a hundred times.
            1. Gahprom
              Gahprom 18 June 2013 17: 21 New
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              Well, there are no other names.

              You do not have it = it doesn’t count in nature.
              Sites of defense? - it was rather a typical rearguard — not a step back.
              Why not think up a rearguard, we carefully study the circumstances of the battle.
              Intelligence, but what structure of divisions of the Wehrmacht was not known to us?

              Joke appreciated, drain.
              In what place? -So to Leningrad they were torn and stupidly brazenly on the roads. And it was impossible to meet ...

              joke 2 rated "niochem"
              It must be remembered that in 1941. there was a certain panic at meetings with the panzervaffe. Kolobanov, however, wasn’t at all afraid of the mass Soviet product, he won over in cold blood. For me, he’s kind of cooler than Wittman a hundred times.


              Wow, is he himself a knight? Wanted, won, wanted no? The Germans also had panic from Kv, but they did not drape that one.
              He generally had an order, and he is not an ordinary and not a boy, unlike you, judging by your posts, you are weakly pulling in the subject of Kolobanov. Read on vk- a storehouse of wisdom.
              Farewell,
              1. lexe
                lexe 26 June 2013 14: 46 New
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                I did not see much usefulness in your posts either.
            2. Stas57
              Stas57 18 June 2013 17: 47 New
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              Quote: Lexi
              Sites of defense? - it was rather a typical rearguard - not a step back

              I agree with gahprom,
              -You are not in the subject,
              - no one remembers the rest of the hero of that battle, everyone went in cycles on a kolobanov
              you didn’t even read the article-
              Toward night, an infantry guard came up to the tank, which was located just behind the tank, and the combat guard positions were also masked.
              but more detailed

              Two battalions of border guard cadets, despite their small numbers, were a formidable force. The school recruited the best border guards from all over the Soviet Union, who had very high individual training. In fact, it was a select infantry that was not afraid of either tanks or surroundings. Fighting against a handful of cadets, the Germans for several days believed that they were fighting with large parts of the Red Army. But they always knew the enemy’s strength, since taking the “language” for an experienced border guard is a matter of technology.
              it's about tank fear

              On the whole, the position of Kolobanov’s tank company resembled a triangle, directed at one angle towards the enemy. At the tip of the triangle, closer to the Germans, were the tanks of Sergeyev (presumably) and Lastochkina (for sure), in the left corner of the tank were Evdokimenko and Degtyar, in the right corner of the tank were Kolobanov and Shpiller.
              and this is about other participants whose names you don’t know, but without them there would have been no victory
              here's a map for you, study
              1. lexe
                lexe 26 June 2013 14: 28 New
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                There is no need to bring confusion to the topic. A concrete battle was considered by Kolobanov. So the Germans blocked the road in this direction not the combatant unit is understandable, Leningrad is not Mukhosk. On hearing, the name of Wittmann and not of his entire unit is a fact. parallel. So you can take a map with a large scale, which means a large number of participants with an even larger number of surnames and so on to Stalin. One surname is important for debunking the myth that our tankers didn’t stand next to the Germans. and there will be no dispute for the subject but no, we are talking about different things.
                Now it’s clear that the Germans at first felt the roads. If they were unsuccessful, they turned around and went on to the next. Supply should also be quick. This is a blitzkrieg. Well, answer this question yourself: why didn’t the Germans be smashed so much to the west? in 1941? - Border guards weren’t enough?
                for a border guard cadet to take a language is a matter of technology ... is that how? even if he is a master of sports in all forms ... but he has not yet been shot at. But the Germans in the tank units were not boys, moreover, had combat experience.
              2. lexe
                lexe 26 June 2013 15: 19 New
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                Thank you for the card, as well as for covering all the details and a number of names of the heroes. And now you can find a map of Wittmann’s battles? What kind of interaction did he have? The debate is in the context of Kolobanov-Wittmann.
  32. lexe
    lexe 18 June 2013 16: 26 New
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    The company of the motorcycle battalion ... did this company fulfill its reconnaissance function? -no. And then the marching column is a solid target. The column would unfold according to all the rules, of course, the ambush would simply be surrounded and destroyed. And you read (after the war you only discovered!) that the Germans mined entire sections of roads at the final stage of the Second World War? Yes, it’s rather a sabotage war with a high level of camouflage and the creation of fire bags. Of course, there is little chance of an ambush (due to their small number and, therefore, stealth).
    Then these motorcyclists were stupid guys from the Germans. They didn’t look at the sides, but they were audible and visible a mile away. laughing
    Persistent and cold-blooded soldiers were needed to first deceive and then destroy or inflict heavy losses. If you didn’t twist it would undermine the morale of the Germans, because most of them simply slept in tanks and cars on the march! And then what a dream. laughing
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 18 June 2013 17: 11 New
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      A company of a motorcycle battalion ... did this company fulfill its intelligence function? -no. And then the marching column is a solid target.

      in the case of my example, yes, it worked on 5, and what about the ambush against such a campho group? with such artillery?

      And did you read (after the war you only discovered!) That the Germans mined entire sections of roads at the final stage of the Second World War? Yes, it’s more like a sabotage war with a high level of camouflage and the creation of fire bags. Of course, there are few chances in an ambush (due to their small number and stealth) shooting range is provided.

      this lottery game is lucky / unlucky will cost someone life
      Then these motorcyclists were stupid guys from the Germans. They didn’t look at the sides, but they were audible and visible a mile away.

      I don’t like jokes about war, especially stupid,
      there are times when in summer, 41 captured and held well-fortified bridges in Belarus in 41, this is a highly mobile, well-armed infantry, and jokes and heels in the style of Ozerov’s films are out of place

      Н
      the soldiers were persistent and cold-blooded, to deceive first and then destroy or inflict heavy losses. If you didn’t twist it would undermine the morale of the Germans, because most of them just slept in tanks and cars on the march! And then what a dream.

      I didn’t understand this childhood, maybe in vain did I start this discussion?
      1. lexe
        lexe 18 June 2013 18: 12 New
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        Was the convoy destroyed? -Yes. KV used up all the ammunition.
        What is the argument? Proved by deed. In the area of ​​the supposed breakthrough of the Germans, groups with tanks were arranged. It also happened later near Moscow. But here there is a narrowness of the meeting place in front of major cities.
        At the expense of jokes, what kind of jokes? Did the Germans give their watchmen. It was more likely a psychological impact to detect the enemy by causing fire. At such a pace of attack, thorough reconnaissance was in principle impossible and even harmful.
        Lottery? And what is expensive in our country, millions of combinations?
        and it was possible to force the Germans to go to a breakthrough in the previously weakened section of the front to breakthrough any kind of boiler that they could end up. Ultimately, it was not sabotage groups that had to solve the dispute. Their task was to pat and knock out the spirit before the decisive battle. And the fact that in 1941-42 was not this is an effective fact. In 1941, many of our tanks were simply abandoned on the road due to operational problems. The Germans were on top repair. So we couldn’t drive our tank brigades in the tail and mane.
        1. Gahprom
          Gahprom 18 June 2013 18: 22 New
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          At the expense of jokes, what kind of jokes? Did the Germans give their watchmen. It was more likely a psychological impact to detect the enemy by causing fire. At such a pace of attack, thorough reconnaissance was in principle impossible and even harmful.

          Share the source of hidden knowledge ...
          1. lexe
            lexe 18 June 2013 18: 44 New
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            Google drugs / drugs in the Wehrmacht. I don’t have access to particularly secret archives.
            1. lexe
              lexe 18 June 2013 18: 49 New
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              During the Second World War, Nazi soldiers took more than 200 million tablets of Pervitin.
              1. Gahprom
                Gahprom 18 June 2013 18: 55 New
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                I know what a “screw” is not from books, and its action is somewhat different from what you described
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  34. lexe
    lexe 18 June 2013 19: 09 New
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    I’m not special in pharmacology. But I think it was about suppressing fear and increased endurance. Consequently, after an active phase, a prolonged sleep inevitably ensued, the body had to recover. As the Germans solved this problem, I don’t know the sharp loss of combat effectiveness of units at a certain moment.
    Well, that progress has gone far ahead can be guessed. And with it, silent motorcycles, I saw an article on the site.
  35. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 24 June 2013 00: 16 New
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    A good tank, a close-knit crew and a competent ambush ... in one word HEROES !!!
  36. Alex
    Alex 16 August 2013 19: 39 New
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    Blackgrifon
    For items 4. and 5. The voiced tanks could knock out the KV-1, the side of which at a certain distance was hit by their standard weapons.

    It’s about meters with 50-ty, and even then only a “troika” with an 50-mm gun (KV-1 side armor - 75 mm). Based on this, it is not clear in which such
    in large numbers, they could pose a real threat to the Soviet tank.


    Now the question is about the possible presence of French captured tanks. The topic is interesting, it is exaggerated quite often, but what’s interesting: in any source that I read (I immediately admit that not everything in the world that I read) I could not find any mention of such tanks in the staff list of German tank divisions. Even in the form of footnotes. I have the general impression that they were not used on the Eastern Front. In any case, there is no mention of a meeting with them either in the memoirs of the veterans or in other documents. So discuss their presence near Leningrad ...

    And Kolobanov and his crew are HEROES !!! I fully agree with my colleagues.
  37. Alex
    Alex 12 September 2013 23: 59 New
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    Such episodes are vivid pages of the past war and an excellent argument in disputes with the "observators." With the competent organization of the battle and the training of the crew, our tanks at the beginning of the war were not many equal. And we had heroes, there’s nothing here for Den to raise the chances for a shield.

    Thank the granfather for the victory!
    Eternal memory to the heroes who did not come home.