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Results of Maidan - Ukraine is losing industry remnants

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Speech by Yuri Mikhailovich Apukhtin, one of the founders of the Soviet super-tank "The hammer". It is, first of all, about the industry of Ukraine and its relationship with the CIS countries, primarily Russia. Attention paid aviation industry.


Speech before the events that led to the coup and the split of Ukraine.

The question arises, what do the current authorities think about, in particular, destroying the last remnants of high-tech science-intensive production in Ukraine? It's about trying to destroy the aviation industry, it's no secret that no one needs Ukrainian aircraft except Russia.



What from the point of view of knowledge-intensive industries for the 22 year of independence did together with Europe? The answer is simple - nothing.

A prospective tank was made with Russia, work continued on the 10 anniversary after the collapse of the USSR, until orange pests came to power during the first Maidan. Work was carried out on aviation topics, because the Russian Federation is the main customer of the Antonov Design Bureau aircraft (except for Cuba, DPRK and Iran, hopes were left), now this will end.

In this respect, the words of the creator of a series of tank diesel engines 6TD N. K. Ryazantseva regarding the cooperation with the West in the field of high technology industry are recalled:

“An instructive for us - the plant workers had a meeting with a NATO representative, Javier Salana. At that time, there was talk of the entry of the former countries of the socialist camp into NATO. We reported that tankers from Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, the Czech Republic came to our factory and were interested in the possibility of upgrading the T-72 tank. Considering that in these countries there are many of these tanks, we offered them our services. After listening to us, Javier Salana said: “I do not agree with this modernization. If you said that as a result of this work, for example, the number of jobs in England, France, and Germany will increase, then we would think. You presented a version of modernization that is performed on our own, so this work is of no interest to us. ” Such an opinion was a cold shower for us, since it contradicted our ideological foundations about the isolation of tank production within our own country. ”

The question arises, are the “moskal on knives” who holed up on the Maidan, “who does not ride that moskal” and their supporters satisfied with the results? After all, these unfortunate, meager, not versed in politics people were also deceived by changing one oligarch for another. Now the interim government, as a lost printer, gives out packs of useless decrees and thoughtlessly, almost every week, changes the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, defense companies, and now they have reached the Antonov concern, having dismissed its head, Dmitry Kivu. Most of the Antonov projects are joint, and without the Russian enterprises, the concern will be able to produce almost nothing, except to sell drawings to China and collect items on a plane a year for the DPRK.
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  1. gas113
    gas113 April 23 2014 06: 57
    +31
    It’s really not break to build, the soul does not hurt. It's a shame how much human labor to dust ...
    1. Canep
      Canep April 23 2014 07: 05
      +22
      “I do not agree with this modernization. If you said that as a result of this work, for example, the number of jobs in England, France, Germany will increase, then we would think. You presented the option of modernization, which is carried out on its own, so this work is not of interest to us. "
      And the Maydan idealists hope for Western help. They are not idealists, but idiots, with good intentions brought Ukraine to the verge of a hell of civil war.
      1. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 April 23 2014 07: 21
        +11
        who needs the Ukrainian people in Europe, nor to whom there are enough of their own people.
        1. Dimkin
          Dimkin April 23 2014 08: 22
          +4
          Quote: platitsyn70
          who needs the Ukrainian people in Europe, nor to whom there are enough of their own people.

          Perhaps I do not agree, they are needed there as a cheap slave. forces, it will be convenient for Europeans to replace Arabs and Muslims with them.
          1. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov April 23 2014 08: 47
            +9
            Quote: Dimkin
            Perhaps I do not agree, they are needed there as a cheap slave. forces, it will be convenient for Europeans to replace Arabs and Muslims with them.

            Judging by the flag from England, are you writing?
            Look out the window. I don’t argue, the Europeans might have wanted to replace the blacks with the Arabs by the Ukrainians, but how to do this ???
            Do you jokingly think that it is worth the European Parliament to make such a decision and all blacks and Arabs will collect manat and go to their historical homeland? A thousand times haha!
            There such Maidan will begin, (especially if the United States poduetsutsya in time, and they podsuetutsya!) That Kiev seems like a round dance at a children's party!
            Borders in E.S. the thing is the conditional and mobilization potential from the Arab world and Africa for these riots will be huge!
            So this is nonsense, they will not replace ukrov with blacks and Arabs, and when you consider that not all Psheks with Magyars can find work .....!
          2. a52333
            a52333 April 23 2014 10: 35
            +1
            Rave. What other "Muslims"?
            They can’t recruit their original.
            . the lowest unemployment in Austria, the Netherlands, Germany and Luxembourg, it averages about 5%. Highest: in Greece - 21%, Portugal - 15% and Spain - 23,6%. Latvia, Ireland and Lithuania are not optimistic, with unemployment rates in 14,5%. Indicators of Cyprus sharply worsened, whose unemployment rose from 6,7 to 9,7%. We can state the emergence of the problem of youth employment in countries most affected by the crisis. In Portugal and Spain, youth unemployment under the age of 25 exceeds 50 percent. The same indicator for German, Austrian and Dutch youth is 8,2 percent, 8,3 percent and 9,5 percent, respectively. - See more at: http://win.ru/ekonomicheskie-interesy/1333745509#sthash.1uybIbpF.dpuf
          3. kotyara
            kotyara April 23 2014 12: 02
            0
            It may well be replaced by Poles and other Eastern Europeans!
          4. DanSabaka
            DanSabaka April 23 2014 17: 30
            0
            it is possible to replace it in production, but where are the Arabs and Muslims who remained unemployed?
      2. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 23 2014 07: 51
        +21
        Quote: Canep
        They are not idealists, but idiots,

        Personally, I won’t understand the following: all these unrest in Ukraine began due to economic problems. So? (It’s clear that this is an Amer project, etc., etc., we’re not talking about that now). wants to live better, in terms of the accessibility of material goods. Life in the European Union for them at this stage is the ultimate dream. Question. They don’t see which countries dominate in E.S. and why? They don’t understand that the Germans are a cut above just because of the industrial potential?
        In my opinion, they had, and still has a dream, to join E.S. and sit on the welfare. Only they cannot understand in their small-town stupidity that material wealth in E.S. they do not grow on trees, and you live well to share them, just because "for your sake we have betrayed Russia" - nobody will! Under this business you can only get cookies on the Maidan!
        1. O_RUS
          O_RUS April 23 2014 09: 15
          +4
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          They don’t see which countries dominate in E.S. and why? They don’t understand that the Germans are a cut above just because of the industrial potential?


          as an option: for the deployment of NATO troops on the territory of Ukraine, and the length of the borders with Russia is about 2290 km, with Belarus 1084, with Moldavia 1222, the Ukrainian wants to buy himself a "carefree future" ... earning for them is a long time.
          1. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov April 23 2014 10: 28
            0
            Quote: O_RUS
            for deployment of NATO forces on the territory of Ukraine,

            What happens around NATO bases, we know, in Japan, rape, fights and harassment of the local population are commonplace and unchallenged!
            And the rent for these bases will be received by UKroelites (if this word applies to them!)
            But nothing will reach Vasyanov and Mikhalikov. For the right to rummage in the trash of the NATO base, battles using heavy equipment will take place!
            So everything is sad! It is necessary to flee New Russia and quickly! And be prepared to defend your place in the sun, otherwise it will not work!
            1. O_RUS
              O_RUS April 24 2014 12: 43
              +1
              Quote: dmitriygorshkov
              It is necessary to flee New Russia and quickly!


              No need for New Russia to flee their land
      3. kocclissi
        kocclissi April 23 2014 09: 45
        +2
        Quote: Canep
        They are not idealists, but idiots

        They are perfect idiots!
      4. kotyara
        kotyara April 23 2014 12: 00
        0
        They are not residents of Ukraine! They just work west there, finish the job and go where they got a house, accounts, etc. They do not care about people, they just don’t understand one thing, as soon as they become unnecessary they can also be drained, confiscated bills at home, and simply cleaned!
      5. Jipo
        Jipo April 23 2014 17: 36
        0
        Well, the "maydanutye" have broken everything in Galicia long ago - both the Laz buses, the Amfiton electronics, and other less famous manufactures have long been ordered to live long. The Westerners did not work much there, more and more visitors from the metropolis, and when everyone began to leave, then no one needed it. They want to turn around the same scenario in the industrial South-East, break up everything that is left for lease to "Europeans", and our man will have to work on the suction. In the "stone" age, with slender columns.
  2. kvn
    kvn April 23 2014 06: 59
    +4
    in power, children, not adult men, what to expect from them, play war games (make-believe) and blow carbide in bottles behind garages until their parents come and drive everyone home.
  3. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov April 23 2014 06: 59
    +5
    the priest had a dog, he loved her, she ate a piece of meat - he killed her ...
    starting from Yushchenko, Ukrainian types of power carried out sabotage activities against industry, the organizer of the ongoing crime in this composition is the State Department, i.e. they undermined the defense, industrial and military potential of Ukraine ...
    1. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p April 23 2014 07: 54
      +12
      That's right, Europe and the USA absolutely do not even need potential competitors in the market. Especially in high-tech industries. The maximum that America can allow to develop and produce to the Ukrainian aviation industry is toilet bowls for Boeing and airbases.
      The West needs Ukraine primarily as a raw material appendage, for this very reason they so zealously advocate for its integrity. Indeed, most of the natural resources, especially of strategic importance, are concentrated precisely in the southeast. And the industry must first be killed, well, after only ruins remain from it, it will be outbid, and then reprofiled, upgraded in some places. The factories, of course, will work, but they will no longer produce rockets with airplanes, but consumer goods of local importance, and the profits will go to completely different countries.
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL April 23 2014 08: 20
        +6
        Quote: igor_m_p
        That's right, Europe and the USA absolutely do not even need potential competitors in the market. Especially in high-tech industries. The maximum that America can allow to develop and produce to the Ukrainian aviation industry is toilet bowls for Boeing and airbases.

        With their subsequent maintenance, namely on-site cleaning wassat .
        to upgrade in places. The factories, of course, will work, but they will no longer produce rockets with airplanes, but consumer goods of local importance, and the profits will go to completely different countries.

        More precisely, only a screwdriver assembly of only its products, so that the whole delivery was not invoice and due to this even more weld!
        Painfully familiar wrecking job!
        Like Bo Anderson, an enemy melee who has been destroying our auto industry for more than a year (and is still working! request )
        Destroyed the engineering and design part of GAZ and handed over the territory for screwdriver assembly to foreigners! now aims at the WHA! If our Ministry of Industry doesn’t catch up fool and they won’t bring this mole to clean water, together with his boss Deripaska (the same wrecker and enemy of the people) angry , then soon our auto industry will completely disappear into the past! recourse
        1. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p April 23 2014 08: 37
          +2
          Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
          With their subsequent maintenance, namely cleaning on the ground wassat.


          Here I do not quite agree. Cleaning water closets on airplanes is a highly skilled work, so only public toilets will remain for migrant workers from Ukraine.

          And the rest - that's it.
        2. dkflbvbh
          dkflbvbh April 23 2014 09: 52
          0
          Didn’t he leave?
        3. Goodmen
          Goodmen April 23 2014 10: 51
          0
          Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
          Like Bo Anderson, the hostile enemy who has been destroying our auto industry for more than a year (and is still working!)
          Destroyed the engineering and design part of GAZ and handed over the territory for screwdriver assembly to foreigners! now aims at the WHA! If our Ministry of Industry doesn’t catch up and bring this mole to clean water, together with its chief Deripaska (the same pest and enemy of the people), then soon our auto industry will completely disappear into the past!


          Here you see it! I see it! and many, many sane people!
          But the government does not see? Foolish or what? It doesn't seem ... There is reason to think ...
          As for Ukraine ... everything has been clear for a long time ... There are mattresses and their vassal - the gay union. Well, they should live well, and the rest of the world should serve them and work for them ... what else is there to discuss? ghouls they!
  4. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 23 2014 07: 01
    +4
    Cut the branch on which they sit)
    1. W1950
      W1950 April 23 2014 07: 49
      +1
      So to enter the EU, you need a territory, preferably cleared of the population and production capacities.
      1. zzz
        zzz April 23 2014 09: 41
        0
        Quote: W1950
        So to enter the EU, you need a territory, preferably cleared of the population and production capacities.


        Cleaned! Yesterday, Mamontov’s program showed how concentration camps are being built in some regions of Southeast Ukraine. Turks are building. Cameras for 2 people.
  5. dimdimich71
    dimdimich71 April 23 2014 07: 05
    +4
    The oligarchs and a bunch of oligophrenics .... They will dump and the latter what will they do? Oh, I forgot that and debts. There is a lot of black work in geyrop
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 23 2014 07: 54
      +3
      Quote: dimdimich71
      There is a lot of black work in geyrop

      Yes, there is no black work in Europe for 45! Nah there negroes are sitting on benefits!
      1. igor_m_p
        igor_m_p April 23 2014 08: 06
        +2
        So, let’s say, those who are now hunchbacked at mines and mines will continue to hunchbacked, only they will receive even less for their labor. The metallurgical industry may somehow survive, because the glamorous geyropa does not need smoking and smoking blast furnaces and coke oven batteries, but steel and cast iron are just needed ...
        Someone in agriculture will plow the Chinese ...
        And for the rest - only to raise virgin soil in the Sahara, in the EU there are not enough toilets for everyone ...
  6. Name
    Name April 23 2014 07: 06
    +8
    ... what are the current authorities thinking ...-THESE THINKING DO NOT BE ABLE IN THE TYPE OF THE ABSENCE OF THE PRESENCE OF GRAY MATTER (brain), THEY (those in the power of Kiev) -HEAD EAT ... repeat
    1. GRune
      GRune April 23 2014 08: 43
      +2
      .-THESE THINKING DO NOT BE ABLE IN THE TYPE OF THE ABSENCE OF THE PRESENCE OF GRAY MATTER (brain), THEY (those in the power of Kiev) -HEAD EAT ...
      You shouldn’t be so, they think very well about their scam and belly, their brain is definitely there, but it’s imprisoned for the good of the country ... We make trishka for the cebe, that’s to say, well, only trishka are measured in their billions!
  7. sledge
    sledge April 23 2014 07: 06
    +10
    The West does not need working factories in Ukraine. West needs hungry powerless slaves
  8. Per se.
    Per se. April 23 2014 07: 09
    +8
    Yes, all this is sad, sorry to lose the same "Antonov". Here either the victory of the supporters of the federalization of the industrial regions of Ukraine and further cooperation, and, perhaps, the entry into the Russian Federation, or the collapse of the Ukrainian industry by the Westerners. In the latter case, we can say that technology is created by people, the most important thing in this version is that designers and intelligent engineers should be in Russian design bureaus.
  9. mamont5
    mamont5 April 23 2014 07: 10
    +2
    "The question arises, what are the current authorities thinking, in particular, destroying the last remnants of high-tech science-intensive production in Ukraine? It's about attempts to destroy the aviation industry, it's no secret that except for Russia, no one needs Ukrainian aircraft."

    They think about it, or rather fulfill the order of their owners. Precisely because Ukrainian aircraft are "not needed" by Western manufacturers, the Ukrainian aviation industry is doomed to be destroyed. Unless, of course, we can help.
  10. Cosmos1987
    Cosmos1987 April 23 2014 07: 12
    0
    Everything will be just the opposite, Germany will buy the tanks, and throw their leopards in the trash, France will close its airbase on henna, chocolate will go to Switzerland, and ZAZ will leave Germany in bulk in the same size and by the way those who don’t want give to Russians, they will serve the entire geyropu for free, Here for all geyropeytsy geyropeytsy go to the EU Outskirts to see !!!
  11. Known who
    Known who April 23 2014 07: 12
    +3
    In my opinion, the goal of the current Ukrainian government is the complete destruction of its own production, and especially knowledge-intensive; adoption and signing of such laws and agreements that even after the removal of existing half-pokers from power, Ukraine will not be able to get out of the abyss and get rid of the IMF and the US government.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 April 23 2014 08: 04
      +1
      Of course! Here's what happened with the nuclear power plant:
      1. Ural guys
        Ural guys April 23 2014 09: 43
        0
        And what is the second burning there?
      2. Ural guys
        Ural guys April 23 2014 09: 43
        0
        And what is the second burning there?
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 23 2014 08: 05
      +1
      Quote: It is known who
      that even after the removal of existing half-pokers from power, Ukraine will not be able to get out

      I am forced, as it is not sad, to agree with you. For all the seeming randomness in adopting pseudo-laws in Ukraine, one thing is clear that no matter how wonderful the president comes to power after the junta, no matter what professionals he puts in the ministries, it’s still impossible to get out of this disastrous rut ​​into which the country is now being driven!
      And attempts to pull it out (Ukraine) from our side may lead us to get stuck in this swamp. In my opinion, this is the calculation!
  12. Humpty
    Humpty April 23 2014 07: 13
    +3
    Maybe I'm wrong, but why whine - "Salana did not allow us", etc. If the junta is not kicked out, it means they will plant radishes, not build planes. Those who are lucky will find a job in Russia. If they don’t move, they deserve it.
  13. Siberian 1975
    Siberian 1975 April 23 2014 07: 15
    +7
    Zapadentsev bite off the hand that feeds them. They experience Bulgaria, Hungary, etc. does not go to mind. What are they hoping for? What will the West feed them? The complete lack of brains. Industry will be destroyed and transferred to the category of banana republics. What are they going to live on? The southeast is also good, what the hell was sitting at home and watching Independence Square on TV? After all, they knew what they were calling for! Why didn’t we go and disperse this trash? I understand that they, unlike parasites from the West, work and they have no time. But it would be better if the plants stood for a couple of weeks than now they can stop forever. This is what an active minority does with a passive majority.
  14. razv35
    razv35 April 23 2014 07: 17
    +14
    My relative from Ukraine said that he supports the Maidan, because he wants to go to Paris by bus ... Moron, than pay for the bus if production collapses
    1. Afinogen
      Afinogen April 23 2014 07: 24
      +2
      Quote: razv35
      My relative from Ukraine said that he supports the Maidan, because he wants to go to Paris by bus ... Moron, than pay for the bus if production collapses


      It was he who heard enough of the sweet singing of the "zombie box" (Russian channels were turned off there), and this is the result. But the epiphany will come very soon, when there is nothing left.
    2. Turkir
      Turkir April 23 2014 07: 33
      +2
      Yes, this is the most important thing in life. Take a bus to Paris.
      With a new junta, Paris has become closer, about 800 kilometers, and Moscow further.
      Everyone knows this and Tyanizabok said so.
      And most importantly, soon all Ukrainians will go to Paris .. and there they will stay. There will be no money for a return ticket.
      Finally, the Galicians will go to their relatives the Gauls. Those who are already waiting for them will not wait.
    3. zmey77
      zmey77 April 23 2014 07: 33
      +2
      and what in Paris will do, look with hungry eyes at the windows. Such a cartoon can be watched at home.
    4. Name
      Name April 23 2014 09: 35
      +2
      Quote: razv35
      Moron than paying for a bus if production crashes

      Than, than ... hereby, which is lower than what they eat:
    5. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 April 23 2014 09: 39
      +5
      Well, you came to Paris (Berlin, Lisbon) on a bus (bicycle, helicopter, tractor), but then what? Why, and, most importantly, what came with? Junk to buy or goggle at the local architecture? Well, then what? Or is there a lack of horizons? I know for myself that it’s good to go abroad on a trip or visit for a short time and with money! As for living or working, no one is waiting for us there, and their given desires will instantly be filled with negativity! You will immediately become unwanted! Also, I found a goal in life!
    6. ultra
      ultra April 23 2014 11: 58
      +1
      Quote: razv35
      because he wants to go to Paris by bus ...

      And without the Maidan, he could not ride or something? It seems not a problem.
  15. mig31
    mig31 April 23 2014 07: 18
    +3
    The State Department’s plan to destroy Ukraine worked, but the creation of the United States of Ukraine failed miserably, and I congratulate everyone on this !!!
  16. demotivator
    demotivator April 23 2014 07: 19
    +9
    In addition, according to Yatsenyuk, Ukraine is ready to discuss the sale of its gas transmission system (GTS). EU roofing felts, USA roofing felts. The very phrase "Ukraine is ready to discuss" looks, of course, mocking. A country in a state of utter crisis, in an unpaid debt, is "ready to discuss." The impression is that the Yanukovych administration did not discuss the issue of selling the gas transmission system to anyone, and before them the Yushchenko administration discussed it. And why didn't you sell it? Because the only real buyer for the Ukrainian gas transportation system is Russia, because only Russia really needs it. The rest of the investors need the GTS only to make money on it. And how can you make money on it if you need to invest almost as much in its modernization as it costs. Where is the profit? And there will be no profit for a long time. Yatsenyuk clearly does not understand something or pretends that he does not understand (the latter is more correct, of course). The Ukrainian economy as such can exist only and exclusively in direct contact with the Russian one. The "Iron Curtain" on the border, not to mention the hostilities in the southeast, is killing the Ukrainian economy far more than the Association Agreement with the EU. The Ukrainian government is killing the country, but this is what they wanted when they rebelled against Yanukovych's refusal to sign an association agreement with the EU. It is now signed. And as Taras Bulba used to say, "what, son, did your Poles help you?"
    There is such a slightly insulting rhyme, but the author is really good - Taras Shevchenko. It is difficult to suspect him of Ukrainophobia or that he did not understand something in the national character.
    Khokhol will remain Khokhlov
    Though you let him in Europe
    Where to act with the mind,
    He only annoys f * ck.
    There are two more stanzas there, but I will not give them. In them, the author (T. Shevchenko) expressed himself even more sharply.
    1. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh April 23 2014 09: 57
      +1
      You can sell it ... But what will they upload? After commissioning the FLOWS, the need for this system is doubtful.
  17. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 23 2014 07: 20
    +10
    If you said that as a result of this work, for example, the number of jobs in England, France, Germany will increase, then we would think. You presented the option of modernization, which is carried out on its own, so this work is not of interest to us
    So the fairy tale ended.
  18. Magadan
    Magadan April 23 2014 07: 25
    +5
    but nothing new was invented by the neo-colonizers. Industry will tryndets, t. To. competitor. The only difference with the 19 century is that land and country are needed without slaves. The population will be cleared, years will be reduced in 30 times in 5, and they will receive chernozem. With a zest, something in the world is getting worse and worse, land is getting smaller, Hindus and Chinese are eating more. But, at least say something to the Ukrainians, Putin is to blame for everything.
  19. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 23 2014 07: 26
    +5
    Do we need Antonov Design Bureau aircraft? Rogozin said that in 2.5 years we will get rid of addiction. Generally speaking, there was and there is no hope for them, the Ukrainian is not responsible for the bazaar, and this is important in business. The last 20 years have fed them out of pity (only for gas discounts they have not received tens of billions). Did you want some space? Eat a full hat, and this applies to other skullcaps. If the person you think is your brother starts to spit on you, the answer is obvious. They will object to me - like, ordinary people have nothing to do with it. And not hell to sit in the rubble! Everything is in your hands, unreasonable brothers.
    1. Espado
      Espado April 23 2014 08: 37
      +4
      There is still worth mentioning an unsigned contract with NATO. In 2005, a competition was announced and the main competitor of the An-124 was the S-17 of a Boeing company. Now guess who got the contract? Yeah, Boeing. Now guess - whose characteristics are higher and the price is lower? Guessed? Correctly. No one in the West needs the Ukrainian aircraft industry ...
  20. Eugeneleee
    Eugeneleee April 23 2014 07: 27
    +11
    And I, as a Haevian, to tears, feel sorry for the Soviet aviation industry, which came to Ukraine ....
    As a native of Kharkov, it’s a pity tank, Khartron, Lighthouse ...
    As a kerchanin - a convulsive pity (the local one, it seems, will come up. And Nikolaev?)

    You can go on for a long time am

    It would be more likely that the normal part would have completely sent Westerners! (there, by the way, they did not and do not do nichrome)
  21. gandalf
    gandalf April 23 2014 07: 31
    +3
    Meanwhile, "nezalezhnost" shows:

    Kiev sent to Rosselkhoznadzor a list of issues for consultation on the problems of admitting Ukrainian agricultural products to the Russian market in English, said the head of the Russian department, Sergey Dankvert.

    “They sent in English questions related to the need for consultations, and they ask us to answer why we did something. In English! Therefore, we will also answer them in English, ”said Dankvert.


    Source: http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/23/683474.html
    1. anfil
      anfil April 23 2014 07: 46
      +7
      They need to be answered only in Russian, since, for them, Russian is that garlic is for ghoul.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 23 2014 08: 32
        +6
        Quote: anfil
        They need to be answered only in Russian, since, for them, Russian is that garlic is for ghoul.

        I support! For the Russian language is recognized as one of the SIX INTERNATIONAL languages ​​of communication around the world! But Ukrainian is not there!
    2. dimdimich71
      dimdimich71 April 23 2014 07: 47
      +3
      Our answer to the Earth is to the peasants, crosses to the right-wingers
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      2. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch April 26 2014 09: 45
        +1
        Whoever comes to us with a sword will become a dandelion.
    3. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 April 23 2014 09: 57
      +1
      In my opinion, our answer should be very short and in Russian: "Guys, you got to the wrong place!"
  22. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz April 23 2014 07: 34
    +1
    Apukhtin and his specialists are for us. Antonov’s specials are unambiguous. There will be nothing in Ukraine. They are still in power. It’s time to rustle with pistons. And it will be difficult if you play.
  23. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 April 23 2014 07: 36
    +4
    kvn RU in power children, not adult men ...

    This is not CHILDREN ...
    This is - first and foremost - TRADERS, SALE SKINS,
    and in the second - BRAINLESS BA / R / ANES.
    I don't see any logic in the behavior at all. There is no need to be "seven spans in the forehead" to "guess", to attract the security forces and the army to your side, "not naaado" to intimidate and kill these very people, but you also need to feed them. And in order to lead the people along, it is not “naaado” to let artillery, tanks and bombers on them and kill these people, “not naaado” to destroy enterprises, depriving them of a piece of bread, “not naaado” to kill them and at an accelerated, shock pace ”in advance "to build prisons and concentration camps with barbed wire for the people. And still DO NOT need bandits and fascists, current and past, who destroyed and destroy the people of the country to expose "HEROES" and "FIGHTERS" for a brighter future. With such "heroes" Ukraine has a "BRIGHT FUTURE" - WILL NOT BE!
    But it seems that the leaders of the Kiev gang, the brains "overheated", the convolutions straightened, "THINK" is nothing.
    And besides, the USA, apparently, holds them tightly to the THROAT, and for them, a / M / E / R / am for centuries, the more Slavs die, the better.
    Lord, punish these "doves" who are not on their wings WORLD, death are carried to humanity, and are only capable of FRAUDING.
  24. Turkir
    Turkir April 23 2014 07: 36
    +4
    Ukraine returned in 1654.
    This age corresponds to her mentality and culture.
    With which we congratulate her.
  25. saag
    saag April 23 2014 07: 38
    +2
    Quote: iliitch
    Do we need Antonov Design Bureau aircraft?

    Their niche in Russia - regional aviation is still not occupied by anyone, but nothing has been done to bring it back.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch April 23 2014 07: 43
      +1
      Yes, something like Il shebershit on this topic. Maybe that’s what’s halfway through.
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  26. bytkeev
    bytkeev April 23 2014 07: 40
    +2
    “I do not agree with this modernization. If you said that as a result of this work, for example, the number of jobs in England, France, Germany will increase, then we would think. You presented the option of modernization, which is carried out on its own, so this work is not of interest to us. "
    Javier Salana.

    And it is so clear that the role of the "independent" is only a cheap slave power, a sales market for goods from Germany, England and the extreme version of France. What Germany could not do during the Great Patriotic War will do now ...
  27. Alikovo
    Alikovo April 23 2014 07: 40
    +2
    I wonder what the three assholes thought when it all started: agricultural Ukraine in the EU is not necessary; there is Germany, France, Poland, Italy; heavy prom .; Germany, France, Poland.
  28. individual
    individual April 23 2014 07: 40
    +3
    The West needs Ukraine as an outpost of confrontation with Russia and as a 45 millionth market for Western products.
    That's it!
  29. ALTAY2
    ALTAY2 April 23 2014 07: 43
    +3
    What can the current Kiev "leadership" think about, for this they need a gray substance and they have a substance of a different color. They spit on their people, I think they earned tens of millions of dollars from this coup, and the people for them he prevents them from selling all over Ukraine.
  30. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 23 2014 07: 52
    +4
    The whole alignment is clear as a white day, for the west Ukraine is needed without industry, without industry, without factories and factories. The entire population of Ukraine is not needed in the West, only a small part of the population will be needed to service the magnates, who own hundreds of thousands of hectares of fertile Ukrainian land. And these are dumb-headed they don’t understand that they are used temporarily, while they correspond to the moment, they are needed to fool the people. Temporary they are temporary.
  31. Revolver
    Revolver April 23 2014 07: 54
    +2
    The question arises: were those who hooted on the Maidan "at her knives", "who does not skip that one" and their supporters with results? After all, these unfortunate, meager, non-political people were also deceived by exchanging one oligarch for another.
    Maidanili are not at all those who work in industry or feed on it. In the West, the whole industry was only LAZ, and he was killed. And what is there in the southeast, so for zapadentsev-maydaunov at least these katsapy all had a break. Something like this.
  32. Grenade r1912
    Grenade r1912 April 23 2014 08: 17
    +1
    ... it's amazing how such a moron (the current "commander") in Ukraine is tolerated by the Kievites themselves !!! They have already powdered their brains - after all, they really consider Russia to be guilty of everything! They do not want to think with their brains, their brains have swam with fat, now they will lose weight "good", and then the European Union will "embrace" them ...
  33. Hort
    Hort April 23 2014 08: 20
    +1
    one of the creators of the Soviet super-tank "Hammer"
    and what kind of tank is this?
    1. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p April 23 2014 08: 44
      +2
      Object 477 "Hammer". One of the first attempts to implement the concept of a tank with an uninhabited turret.

      Details are here: http://topwar.ru/8160-neobychnye-tanki-rossii-i-sssr-obekt-477-harkovskiy-molot.
      htm

      Some ideas are rumored to have been used in the design of the "Armata"
      1. Hort
        Hort April 23 2014 16: 07
        0
        the link does not work ... 404
        1. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p April 29 2014 07: 59
          0
          Strange, it worked. Well, search for "object 477 hammer"
          Google has tons of links.
  34. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 23 2014 08: 26
    +3
    Let us also recall the recent statements of the US State Department: "The US is ready to give Ukraine significant funds for the disposal of all old Soviet T-64 tanks."
    It was not long before Maidan and the end of Yanukovych’s power.
    Why did they need it then?
    I think that the thinking citizens of Ukraine should eventually not be able to resist the tank armada of NATO forces in the "peacekeeping operation" to "create a democratic bridgehead" against Russia.
  35. old man
    old man April 23 2014 08: 43
    +2
    Quote: gandalf
    Meanwhile, "nezalezhnost" shows:

    Kiev sent to Rosselkhoznadzor a list of issues for consultation on the problems of admitting Ukrainian agricultural products to the Russian market in English, said the head of the Russian department, Sergey Dankvert.

    “They sent in English questions related to the need for consultations, and they ask us to answer why we did something. In English! Therefore, we will also answer them in English, ”said Dankvert.


    Source: http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/23/683474.html


    I had to answer in Chinese.
  36. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 23 2014 08: 46
    +1
    You might think American puppets will think how to preserve the industry? They are thinking how to save themselves! And the industry to finish them from Washington gave a command!
  37. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2014 08: 53
    +7
    I already posted it like that .. Now, just in time for the article. Laughter through tears, such a country was destroyed before our eyes because of our stubbornness and anger ..
    - Putin: - Ukraine, you got the Prize sector. And the prizes today are from the sponsor - the European Union!
    -Ukraine: - I take the prize
    -! Putin: - I propose not to open the black box, and give you a discount on gas.
    -Ukraine: - I take the prize!
    -Putin: - in addition to the discount on gas, we give you benefits for the supply of your goods to Russia and the CIS countries.
    -Ukraine: - Prize!
    -Putin: - (looks in a black box) .... mdya ... Instead of the contents of this black box, I offer you gas discounts, benefits for the supply of your goods to Russia and the CIS, and 15 billions of dollars more, without any conditions.
    -Ukraine: - Prize!
    -Putin: - As you wish ... (takes out American cookies from a black box) - get it !!!
  38. Strashila
    Strashila April 23 2014 09: 00
    +3
    Solana voiced the main thesis of Ukraine's European integration, and actually for any other countries, the example of Greece is indicative, "... as a result of this work, for example, the number of jobs in England, France, Germany will increase ...".
  39. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2014 09: 11
    +4
    Here is a good example .. I think there’s nothing to add, it’s just a shame and that’s it!
  40. Egoza
    Egoza April 23 2014 09: 17
    +1
    UkSATSE bought simulators for aircraft almost twice as expensive as the aircraft themselves

    State enterprise On April 4, following a tender, it concluded an agreement with ITC Exim sro (Czech Republic) on the acquisition of an aircraft simulator for $ 11,12 million.

    A Beechcraft King Air 350 simulator (KTS - BKA 350) was ordered to carry out preliminary crew training for flights, as well as to practice simulator training tasks. The simulator should simulate normal (standard), complex and emergency flight situations in real time at all stages of the flight, and also create images of various landscapes, buildings, sky and sea, different flight acoustics and climatic conditions.

    By the end of this year, the simulator should be delivered, installed and adjusted in the separate unit of UkSATSE “Center for Aviation Training and Certification” in Kiev.

    For comparison, Beechcraft King Air 350i aircraft cost about $ 7,5 million.

    Note, according to the Czech register of companies, the company that won the tender was founded in 2010 in Prague by Gennady Kovalenko. Then the company was called International Medical Care sro. In June 2012, the company changes its owner, it becomes Alexander Vcherashnyuk from Buchi, and the company itself is renamed ITC Exim sro. Yesterday’s Facebook page indicates that he lives in Kiev, graduated from the KPI with a degree in Publishing, and now works as a foreign economic manager at SportTop LLC. This is a chain of stores that specializes in fitness equipment and sporting goods.

    The only competitor of the company was Moscow Avintel LLC. Earlier, none of the firms in Ukraine won tenders.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-143941.html
    xxxxxx
    Buying simulators is more expensive than aircraft! And someone will assure that there are no "sawers" here ?! am
  41. mackonya
    mackonya April 23 2014 09: 24
    +1
    "... If you said that as a result of this work, for example, the number of jobs in England, France, Germany would increase, then we would think ..." - well, it's even funny. Moreover, it is necessary to translate the drawings into a different metric, and indeed all documentation must be translated and transferred, so also the entire technological process must be assembled from scratch in a new place.
  42. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 23 2014 09: 51
    +2
    Maidanuty people are digging a hole for Ukraine, at the necessary moment they will push it there, and they themselves will wash off at the cordon with full pockets of stolen money.
  43. WETER
    WETER April 23 2014 10: 24
    0
    Quote: dmitriygorshkov
    Personally, I won’t understand the following: all these unrest in Ukraine began due to economic problems. So? (It’s clear that this is an Amer project, etc., etc., we’re not talking about that now). wants to live better, in terms of the accessibility of material goods. Life in the European Union for them at this stage is the ultimate dream.

    It seems that Ukraine is stuck in the early to mid-90s. Both in economics and in psychology: soviet worship of the West with an unshakable faith in the Great Democratic Freebie. The reason for this is the positioning of Ukraine as a buffer state, the essence of the foreign policy of which is permanent maneuvering.
  44. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 23 2014 10: 30
    0
    What kind of government in UKRAINE such and people will create to speak with RUSSIA in high tones and pull all sorts of discounts. Let them ruin their production. And NEW their friend let them finance. And normal people will separate from these Bandera and other non-shaking people. But RUSSIA will give them discounts and assistance.
  45. kontrol
    kontrol April 23 2014 11: 07
    0
    the hangover will be severe
  46. Cristall
    Cristall April 23 2014 11: 14
    +1
    Captured Kiev cannot do anything else. Does he have to do something if he is captured? Destroying a hostile environment around is logical. To create? Yah.
    Today I listened to all the "nightingales" (candidates for preziks) all in one voice - you need to raise the economy, you need concessions to the SE, you need ... Okay, there Tigibko in the economy - but Poroshenko has a cool program - they inserted an interview with Bennon- -the United States is a reliable ally, whether it’s trawling --- will support us shake .. we are cool, behind us the United States - not a word about how - how in general?
    Damn, I already miss the programs of the last choice .. they even said something for Ukraine .... the impression is besides the geopolitical games - Kiev does not care about the country ...
    For half a year the country has been living out of habit ... and Kiev in general is like a foreign country ... maybe 52 US states ...?
  47. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 April 23 2014 11: 25
    0
    And on which maydaunam industry? Plowing is not their style! They along the Euro-routes and Euro-bars will literally dissolve! And a fair wind!
  48. nika08
    nika08 April 23 2014 11: 32
    0
    To Geyropu, gentlemen, Ukrainians! To Geyropu! To wipe and wash asses to the owners. That is all that is left for you.
  49. Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA April 23 2014 11: 43
    0
    - What is your problem with earthlings? You have it all! And oil and gas and water and land and technology and people. What is stopping you? What is the problem? What did I bother you? everything seems to be ... Maybe something needs to be taken away, something superfluous ...
    - Everything suits us ... We are developing, technology is moving forward, we are becoming smarter, richer.
    - As for the smarter, I do not agree, and the main question remains- Have you become happy? I’ll answer-no, rather the opposite. I think for happiness you need a contrast, I will send you hunger and war, and maybe an epidemic, then you will understand what happiness is.
  50. Anton K
    Anton K April 23 2014 11: 54
    0
    Most of Antonov’s projects are joint, and without Russian enterprises, the concern will be practically unable to produce anything, except to sell the drawings to China and collect a piece by plane per year for North Korea.


    It's right. It is also true that when we destroy the factories of the South-East of Ukraine, we will have to establish identical military production in Russia.