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Village and food security of Russia

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Thanks to Western sanctions! Although it is a sin to say this in our times, but indeed, if it were not for the West’s talk about the need to incinerate Russia at the sanction level, then God knows how many more years we would (not to mention the Russian authorities) they looked at such issues as financial, technological, energy, food and other security of the country.


If it were not for the systematic “partner” horror stories that Russia, for its own position in the international arena, will be pressed in all directions, the majority of Russians would continue to believe that increased attention to strengthening national (state) security is something like paranoia that needs to be treated, because Russia has no enemies. Now the enemies can be seen literally every hour - it is painfully active that they rush to the air of the world media to demonstrate their sizzling position in our relationship with you.

The foreign press, which according to the announcements of the “partners” will put pressure on the Russian Federation more and more, made us really think hard about how wealthy we are today, whether we have chances to stick to our line, to defend our own interests or all our aspirations In this respect, in vain. And in this regard, the seemingly important is the utilitarian question of whether Russia can ensure its own food security, whether it is elementary to feed itself without any insurmountable difficulties. One of the most important components of the consideration of this issue is not only studying, but also qualitative steps to solve the problems of the village.

Village and food security of Russia


Earlier this week, President Vladimir Putin held an integrated meeting of the State and Presidential Councils, which was devoted specifically to the preparation of a workable strategy for the sustainable development of the Russian countryside. At the meeting, the head of state stressed that the village for Russia is both the production of food products, and the stronghold of identity, traditional way and unique culture. It’s hard not to agree with such a definition, how difficult it is not to agree with another premise that was voiced during the joint meeting of the State Council and the presidential council, namely that the village’s problems were accumulated over the years and it’s time to move on to their full solution so that the village preserved, and got all the opportunities for its development.

The words are certainly correct, beautiful ... But only if you call things by their proper names, the words, unfortunately, remain words for now. If we talk about the economic component, the Russian village annually makes a smaller contribution to the country's GDP for a number of objective and subjective reasons: a relatively high level of unemployment, lack of or poor infrastructure development (roads, power systems, retail outlets, medical facilities, etc.) “Aging” of the village (increase in the average age of rural residents) and, as a result, a decrease in the contribution of the village to the general demography.

The demographic issue continues to be extremely acute in rural areas. There are regions where the village grows annually in terms of population (Kuban, regions of the North Caucasus, Tatarstan), but most of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation indicate a decrease in the percentage ratio between rural and urban residents. According to the latest census, the percentage of the demographic ratio of village / city is approximately 27% to 73%. And these figures continue to change exclusively in the direction of reducing the number of rural residents in the country.

Naturally, the demographic problems in the countryside automatically pull along with themselves problems of a different nature: in particular, this is the problem of undeveloped impressive areas of fertile land. Due to the actual abandonment of fertile land in a number of regions with the light hand of local officials suddenly turn into a property for construction. And most of them grow far from agricultural enterprises, not farms, and not agricultural companies, but cottage villages with an eye to their purchase by wealthy citizens.

On the one hand, this seems to be stimulating the influx of urban capital into the village, but in reality, it is a crushing blow that is inflicted on the country's food independence, on its agriculture. After all, a city dweller acquires a “house in the village” often not at all in order to participate in individual agricultural production, but simply in order to spend time in it, let's say, in the mode of idle rest. There seems to be nothing wrong with this, if we do not take into account the fact that demand creates supply, and therefore an increasing number of agricultural land turns out to be areas for the foundations of new and new mansions, villas and cottages.

What is the root of this particular problem? Roots, by and large, two. The first is the frequent absence of a responsible owner in agricultural lands, the second is corruption. The land, which is empty for years, turns into an object of corruption collusion and its purpose is changed with the stroke of a pen. At the same time, if explanations sound with time, they sound like: the land is still empty ... To solve a problem, you need quality accounting of agricultural land, as well as programs for which these lands can be used for high-grade production, to contribute to food security.

By the way, about the country's food security. Recently, we have become accustomed to saying that the share of food imports in Russia is, if not critical, then close to that. In fact, imports by various categories of food are considerable, but it is also impossible to say that imported products on the Russian market completely crushed domestic production. It is impossible so far ... To understand this, it is necessary to get acquainted with the figures presented in the work of the Russian Academy of National Economy and Public Service, dedicated to the country's safety. How clearly you can trust these figures is a personal matter of each reader, but at least on the basis of these indicators you can make certain conclusions about the directions of further work.

The RANEPA in its work summarizes the calculations, which boil down to the fact that for many groups of agricultural goods Russia was able to reach a significant percentage of self-sufficiency. According to the head of the agro-industrial center of the RANEPA, Natalia Shagaida, the overall level of food security is 89%. If we compare this indicator with the 2004 indicator of the year, then the country's safety increased by about 24%.

Substantial growth in domestic production is accounted for such goods as cereals (indicators by almost 40% higher than the so-called threshold - indicators defined as a minimum for domestic input), vegetable oils (by 52,7% above the threshold), sugar (by 7,8% above the threshold). Russia began to produce pork and chicken meat, chicken eggs in sufficient volumes for domestic consumption. Today, Russia exports grain to dozens of countries around the world, and according to estimates of RANEPA specialists, bakery and confectionery products from Russian grain are consumed over 50 million people outside the country (besides the Russians themselves, of course).

The use of a new program for the development of the village, the volume of grain harvest only in the coming 5-7 years can grow by no less than a quarter (let's not forget the new Russian regions - the Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol, where agriculture makes a considerable contribution to local budgets). They can grow if the state investment program allows for the creation of agricultural jobs in the countryside. Today, investments in the village are so “dotted” that their contribution to the overall development of the countryside and the rural economy is minimal.

And there are those groups of food products, the level of self-sufficiency for which is not as high as we would like. If the share of milk imports is about 20%, then, for example, the situation on the beef market is much more complicated. Here, more than 60% - import. There are large volumes of dependence on imports for fruits and vegetables. The percentage of imports for these products seems to be objective - after all, territories are far from allowing everywhere to start growing fruit and vegetable crops, but sometimes the percentage of imports from foreign countries in this direction actually grows artificially: French, Dutch, Israeli potatoes instead of their own or, for example, Belarusian - some strangeness with the available potentials.

Experts are confident that it will be more difficult to cope with imports due to the fact that Russia is now a member of the WTO. It turns out that simultaneously with the entry into the world trade organization, the state has also found an additional barrier for itself, which is now trying with all its might to overcome. Well, we, as they say, are not looking for easy ways ... Only now we have to look for at least some ways to be really active. Thanks to the sanctions, thanks to the entry into the WTO ...

It seems that only in conditions of total time pressure and critical indicators of external pressure, our intelligent starts to work with maximum productivity ... Now the main thing is to start work in the right direction.
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  1. Alikovo
    Alikovo April 23 2014 07: 57
    +14
    it is a pity to look at the fields once sown with wheat or potatoes, on which weeds now grow.
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin April 23 2014 08: 13
      +14
      Or cottages and fences are growing .....
      1. Sandov
        Sandov April 24 2014 11: 13
        0
        Quote: volot-voin
        Or cottages and fences are growing .....

        Once Russia fed the whole world. If we take it, we will always feed ourselves, both environmentally friendly and high-quality.
    2. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon April 23 2014 08: 56
      +3
      Quote: Alikovo
      it is a pity to look at the fields once sown with wheat or potatoes, on which weeds now grow.
      - it’s clearly you’ve not seen in the Kuban! Everything is under plowing! Only rare forest belts slip through! hi
      1. 225chay
        225chay April 23 2014 10: 04
        +6
        Quote: Dazdranagon
        - it’s clearly you’ve not seen in the Kuban! Everything is under plowing! Only rare forest belts slip through!


        No question! In the Kuban, as in the Caucasus, as they say, stick a branch in the ground - a tree will grow.
        Thanks to the climate, it’s almost a paradise.
        And what about the Russian village where most of the year is cold and not a penny of investment in infrastructure?
        1. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon April 23 2014 10: 58
          +1
          Quote: 225chay
          And what about the Russian village where most of the year is cold and not a penny of investment in infrastructure?
          - here is more complicated. Or relocate people to cities, or build some village-forming enterprises. In the second case, it’s more complicated - in our city-forming enterprises are 99% plundered ... It is scary to look at the so-called single-industry towns ...
        2. antoha
          antoha April 23 2014 11: 20
          +4
          With a proper approach to agricultural production, Russia will feed the whole world only so that the government turns to face the villagers.
          1. Luzhichanin
            Luzhichanin April 23 2014 13: 48
            +3
            Yes, for so many years it has been turning around, turning around, but everything is backwards.
            Large food companies in the hands of foreign capital. Take the same Vimbildan. Now it is wholly owned by the American PepsiCo. And such poison went instead of food, after the company was bought - tin.

            The ban on GMOs, something I did not hear from LADIES of these words, on the contrary, in the summer, a law will be signed by him on the wider distribution of GMOs in our country.
            How cynical it is to be so cynical towards the citizens of your country to do such "good" to them ...
          2. Rostislav
            Rostislav April 23 2014 14: 25
            +2
            So no one argues that Russia is able to feed half the world. The question is precisely what - how to organize that proper approach to the production of agricultural products?
            The problem is that the official organizes, and he often builds the scheme in such a way so as not to offend his beloved. But it is necessary that the interests of those on earth be at the forefront. Then the return will be.
            Nothing will change until the person in power is primarily concerned with using his position to fill his pockets.
      2. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 April 23 2014 20: 17
        0
        Quote: Dazdranagon
        obviously you have not seen in the Kuban! Everything is under plowing! Only rare forest belts slip through

        Well, the granary ... ALL-RUSSIAN!
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    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ April 23 2014 08: 56
      +14
      it is a pity to look at the fields once sown with wheat or potatoes, on which weeds now grow.


      It is necessary to drive liberals from the supreme power of Russia, liberal Medvedev and his comrades from the Government of the Russian Federation, for anti-people’s domestic policy.
      It is necessary to stop the privatization of state property, to throw the slogan "The private owner is more efficient than the state" to the dustbin of history as false, to restore the planned state sector of the economy in the most important main sectors of the economy: defense, raw materials, energy, etc.
      In agriculture, to restore large-capacity agricultural production not on the basis of farms that have not justified themselves and can feed only the farmer himself, but on the basis of large collective and state agricultural enterprises (collective farms and state farms), leaving farms in the narrow directions of agricultural production .
      Enough to engage in demagogy and verbiage, the thing needs to be done, WORK.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana April 23 2014 09: 52
        +4
        I fully support! These are the priority tasks for Russia! But in the leadership of our country there are no people who would actively promote them, as the interests of the oligarchs were first of all respected, so everything is still going on.
    4. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 April 23 2014 09: 03
      +4
      Quote: Alikovo
      it is a pity to look at the fields once sown with wheat or potatoes, on which weeds now grow.

      Unfortunately, these fields are already overgrown with shrubs and forests. Now, to open them, you will have to make considerable efforts and costs. And the fields overgrown with hogweed are a separate song. This weed (you can’t name it otherwise) is very difficult to remove. It’s interesting to know which cruc ... did you think of cultivating it in our area? Previously, it was purposefully grown for silage, but it turned out as always ...
      1. Prometey
        Prometey April 23 2014 09: 19
        +2
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        It’s interesting to know which cruc ... did you think of cultivating it in our area? Previously, it was purposefully grown for silage, but it turned out as always ...

        Hogweed for silage? wassat This is a weed growing on a particular type of soil, like hemlock or poisonous milestone. Alfalfa and corn were planted on our silos all our lives. what
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 23 2014 11: 02
          +5
          Quote: Prometey
          Hogweed for silage? This is a weed growing on a particular type of soil, like hemlock or poisonous milestone. Alfalfa and corn were planted on our silos all our lives.

          In the non-black soil, Sosnowski hogweed was really grown for silage.
          Biomass yields much more than traditional corn + sunflower.
          Subject to technology dispersion does not occur, if Che.
          It's like with cats: you need to be able to cook them. laughing
      2. rozowik
        rozowik April 23 2014 09: 45
        +3
        And the fields overgrown with hogweed are a separate song.

        Yes, this person needs to be hanged, this bastard has to be bred for several years.
        Quote: volot-voin
        Or cottages and fences are growing .....

        Where do they grow? For example, in our country (Bryansk region) they do not grow, in general, villages die slowly, and nobody builds anything. No, of course, one company came, she bred cows, but where the hell is the meat? Personally, I haven’t seen him on sale yet and next to me, but wagons with him just go to Moscow
    5. sub307
      sub307 April 23 2014 09: 33
      +3
      Exactly. "It seems that only in conditions of total time pressure and critical indicators of external pressure, our thinker starts to work with maximum performance ... Now the main thing is to start work in the right direction" - yes, it would be good, but not the fact that this will happen, considering the position, character, mentality of our so-called ruling "elites". To establish a gambling zone in the acquired territories, yes, it is a primary task.
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    7. Valrad
      Valrad April 23 2014 09: 39
      +3
      we in the Voronezh region do not produce weeds) and, for example, in the Rossoshansky district, work area even in the worst years, the village went about its business.
      1. Klepa
        Klepa April 23 2014 09: 51
        +3
        I want my house! I will forever remain a native Petersburger, but, God, how I dream of building a family nest with my independent economy and living enjoying nature, not exhaust fumes.

        (Painting by St. Petersburg artist Yuri Pantyukhin "Quiet Backwater". Oil on canvas)
        1. Ptah
          Ptah April 23 2014 09: 57
          +2
          I'll go to the cottage ...
          Quote: Klepa
          live enjoying nature and not exhaust fumes.

          Seedlings on the windowsill are already half a meter, and in some places (in the shade) the snow still lies ...
        2. Am
          Am April 23 2014 17: 44
          +1
          And what is stopping you wondering? Living in a village is not in a city, there is little "wanting" here, you need to work constantly. Physically, without beautiful words and reasoning.
          1. Klepa
            Klepa April 23 2014 22: 02
            0
            Quote: Soy
            And what is stopping you wondering? Living in a village is not in a city, there is little "wanting" here, you need to work constantly. Physically, without beautiful words and reasoning.

            Everything has its time. We will pay for the apartment and proceed to the construction of the house. I have no oligarchs in my relatives. wink
    8. 225chay
      225chay April 23 2014 10: 01
      +2
      Quote: Alikovo
      it is a pity to look at the fields once sown with wheat or potatoes, on which weeds now grow.


      To the village! It is in Russian villages that huge investments must be made.
      It is from the people and not from the Moscow sybarites that patriots of the fatherland can come out.
    9. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 23 2014 10: 06
      +4
      Quote: Alikovo
      it is a pity to look at the fields once sown with wheat or potatoes, on which weeds now grow.
      I have already mentioned this many times ... this spectacle is oppressive, farms, cowsheds and poultry houses, broken as after the war, beggars and drunken "state farms" take away! but only the native country prefers from the west g.v.n.o. to carry, and to feed their people with this, and the peasants-farmers for the landfill ... no one buys their crops, or they offer such a price that there is not enough for fuel ... what kind of loans are there ... all the villages in the city are working! and we eat soy curd with palm oil ...
      1. sluganska
        sluganska April 23 2014 12: 09
        +1
        and everything that is possible and impossible was plowed up at us (the goat's mouth is not where)
        but the cows were brought almost to zero (1-2 per village)
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 23 2014 17: 09
          +2
          Food security needs to be addressed jointly by 3 CU countries - to distribute efforts. The question is not simple, because the whole West subsidizes its village. And therefore, our food is more expensive. Here are merchants and driven from abroad. The governments of our countries cannot do without it. Leasing equipment, fuel below market value - all this is not a cheap activity, soft loans. Therefore, I affirm that it is necessary to distribute efforts.
          In Kazakhstan, we have a Food Corporation that deals with grain. Through it, the state allocates money for the purchase of grain. Those, in turn, conclude agreements with manufacturers. Fuel and lubricants are allocated at prices below market for cleaning and sowing (of course, only a certain number). If the manufacturer has sales guarantees, then many questions for peasants will disappear. In connection with the creation of a vehicle, we grow like mushrooms in a greenhouse. The state says the need to build vegetable storages and bases. That is, the state should have a clear program and policy in this matter. Naturally, budgeted funding. Otherwise, all this chatter will work. Until the end of last year, our government should have developed such a program in the rural economy (at least promised), but I don’t know what is happening now. hi
  2. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 April 23 2014 08: 01
    +5
    God forbid that these were not just words! It's high time! Villages are in an abandoned disgusting state! Create conditions worthy of salary, jobs, living conditions, and many who left to "conquer" the city, return from despair and will live and rejoice!
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 23 2014 09: 24
      +1
      Quote: Ilja 22
      Abandoned villages! Create conditions worthy of salary, jobs, living conditions

      Maybe tell me where to start (no, not the troll, I thought about it myself how to keep the population in rural areas and create conditions for its growth).
      1. Ilja 22
        Ilja 22 April 23 2014 10: 37
        0
        Where to start at least from buying the same grain, meat, milk, egg at a higher price, lowering the price of fuel, giving long-term loans at a small percentage, for state programs, etc.,
        I was born and raised in the village, so the picture that has been established today, I know,
        what did you come up with when thinking about it
      2. Wheel
        Wheel April 23 2014 11: 17
        +1
        Quote: Prometey
        Maybe tell me where to start (no, not the troll, I thought about it myself how to keep the population in rural areas and create conditions for its growth).

        Yes, recipes have long been known, only they are not applicable in the framework of the current economic policy.
        1. Sour
          Sour April 23 2014 13: 29
          -2
          Quote: Wheel
          Quote: Prometey
          Maybe tell me where to start (no, not the troll, I thought about it myself how to keep the population in rural areas and create conditions for its growth).

          Yes, recipes have long been known, only they are not applicable in the framework of the current economic policy.

          What are you saying ???
          And in the framework of communal economic policy, why weren't your party members applying them? Since such trivial recipes.
          The Komunyaks ruined the Russian agricultural sector, with their many years of politics deprived the villagers of the most important thing - incentive to work on the earth. And brought up in the village more than one generation of drunks and lumpen. And still there is enough arrogance to offer some recipes. Komunyaki are such communes. People without shame and without conscience.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey April 23 2014 14: 31
            +1
            Quote: Sour
            Komunyaks ditch the Russian agricultural sector

            I agree, but with one amendment - not commies, but a rotten party nomenclature.
          2. Wheel
            Wheel April 23 2014 15: 32
            +1
            Quote: Sour
            What are you saying ??? And in the context of communal economic policy, why didn’t they use your party members? Since there are such trivial recipes. Komunyaki ruined the Russian agricultural sector, with their many years of politics deprived the villagers of the most important thing - the incentive to work on land. And brought up in the village more than one generation of drunks and lumpen. And still there is enough arrogance to offer some recipes.

            Well you cheered me up !!!!
            I will disappoint you to the impossibility!
            You didn’t guess, my dear, I didn’t have party members, because you did not belong to the party and even was expelled from the Komsomol. hi
            "Kommunyaki" (s) (Sour), of course, is not a gift, but to shift the ditched agricultural sector onto them is to sin against the truth.
            The village in which I now live (the state farm was here) under the Communists had 800 heads of dairy herds, now 60, the fields were sown all, now 7%.
            Backfill question: "Who destroyed it?"
            But the state farm was rich, could afford to cover the streets with asphalt and maintain a pioneer camp in Crimea ...

            Quote: Sour
            Komunyaki are such communes. People without shame and without conscience.

            Don’t get excited. You don’t bounce!
            And then, God forbid, it will get to the point that "He who does not jump is a communist" and "Communyak on a gilyak!"
            Eat better Snickers - at once feel better! laughinglaughinglaughing
            1. dik-fort
              dik-fort April 23 2014 16: 40
              0
              We, too, under Soviet rule, the state breeding plant developed, a three-story 24 apartment building was rented out every year, a new greenhouse complex was built, 800 workers worked, the state farm was profitable, the school had classes of 30 people, and now - in 23 years not a single house has been built , the greenhouse plant was closed and cut into metal, nothing is being planted, the breeding plant is no longer there, there are about a hundred workers left, some have debts for salary of 200 thousand, the remaining breeding cows sit without fodder, only in the hay, at school there are 10 classes people, and in some years the 10th grade is not recruited, complete degradation. And what does "komunyaki" have to do with it?
  3. Alez
    Alez April 23 2014 08: 16
    +10
    Again UAV UAV UAV hold, select, etc. I myself come from a village, grief rulers ruined everything that is possible, a huge outflow of people from the villages in search of a better life. The most correct direction is the construction of modern agricultural complexes, and not the allocation of 50 thousand rubles to the villagers.
    Next, the state needs to minimize the chain from the producer to the final consumer, build logistics centers for processing and storing crops, it is time to break the monopoly of networkers taking money for placing goods in their stores.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas April 23 2014 08: 28
      +3
      Quote: Alez
      the state needs to minimize the chain from the producer to the final consumer, build logistics centers for processing and storing crops, it is time to break the monopoly of networkers who take money for placing goods in their stores.

      The terrible word "intermediaries" dictating the conditions of who and how will enter the market with their products, a mafia structure fused with local officials ... How is Putin going to fight them?
      1. Wheel
        Wheel April 23 2014 11: 19
        +3
        Quote: Nayhas
        How is Putin going to fight them?

        It is said, not the 37th year, there will be no repression!
        And no one will create parallel state structures, because no way to spread rot "predprinomatelstvo"!
        1. Sour
          Sour April 23 2014 13: 36
          -1
          Quote: Wheel
          It is said, not the 37th year, there will be no repression!

          Oh yes, how I forgot! In 1937, the agricultural sector took off.
          Dreaming again the 37th year? Can’t we do without a Russian roof? You ghouls, not people.
          And without entrepreneurship, agriculture can only die. The whole question is - fast or slow. A man on earth is not a draft cattle; he needs interest. Although, in order to understand this, one must have brains, and not a quote in the head.
    2. blizart
      blizart April 23 2014 08: 47
      +7
      On the contrary, I grew up and lived up to 30 in the capital, moving to a village was largely forced, but now I am grateful to the Creator that he directed me. Simply, even leaving aside the material, everything is cleaner and simpler here. And besides, I have everything that a city dweller has (a car, high-speed wi-fi, gas, cellular communications, cable TV) without the "pleasant" bonuses of the city in the form of traffic jams, bustle and neighbors around.
      1. Afinogen
        Afinogen April 23 2014 08: 54
        +2
        Quote: blizart
        without "pleasant" city bonuses in the form of traffic jams, bustle and neighbors around.


        And housing and communal services do not have these ghouls who tear money and do nothing.
        1. bubalik
          bubalik April 23 2014 15: 40
          0
          Athenogenes SU  Today, 08: 54
          And housing and communal services do not have these ghouls who tear money and do nothing


          ,,, money tear even more than in the city ,,,
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      2. Russian102RUS
        Russian102RUS April 23 2014 09: 07
        +4
        I will support the commentator, I also dream of breaking out into the village, if you don’t lose your hands and head! There are more pluses, especially if you raise children.
        The villages are still alive in Bashkiria, you can revive and breathe life into them, but was in the Samara and Orenburg regions everything is deplorable there, you have to start from scratch - Tselina in one word!
      3. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 23 2014 09: 22
        +3
        Quote: blizart
        Well, besides, I have everything that a city dweller has (a car, high-speed Wi-Fi, gas, mobile communication, cable TV)

        What kind of village is that? We in Siberia are not like Wi-Fi, there is no gas, they still drown with firewood. With television it’s easier of course, many have a plate. Our gas from Siberia is not available to us ...
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 23 2014 11: 27
          +3
          Quote: Nayhas
          What kind of village is that? We in Siberia are not like Wi-Fi, there is no gas, they still drown with firewood.

          It's funny, but in our Urals, even though gas has been supplied (I moved to the village after retirement), it’s more profitable to heat wood than gas.
          With the local village earnings, 20 percent of the population can afford gas.
          They waited a long time - they waited - they cried ....
        2. saygon66
          saygon66 April 23 2014 12: 45
          +1
          - In the Kaliningrad region, the same story: there is gas, as it were, but there is no gas ... And the forests here do not pull the Siberian forests in any way ... imported coal and peat mining were covered. Yes, you can’t reach the pipe to every farm ...
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  4. volot-voin
    volot-voin April 23 2014 08: 17
    +3
    In matters of relations with the West - the worse, the better for the country, if only there were no open hostilities. Sanctions make the government think about economic security, develop industry and agriculture inside the country, prevent the export of the loot and legalize it abroad, impede the introduction of Western values ​​and the corruption of young people (the infamous American vomit).
  5. calocha
    calocha April 23 2014 08: 22
    +1
    It is necessary to create a program and encourage in every possible way resettlement in the village - land allotment, forest for building, low interest loans. Exempt from tax for 5 years ... If you have many children give a cow with a horse !!! Then the village will heal (it’s natural to build stadiums kindergarten clubs ) Belarusians live and the village flourishes ..... An example is there + that it’s good to add your own ... It’s a sin to launch your own country ....
    1. alexandr.krupnov
      alexandr.krupnov April 23 2014 10: 40
      +6
      I was born and lived in a village until 18 years old. Like everyone else, he planted potatoes, harvested them, hayfields, a yard, cattle, cleaning the barn .... And he studied hard for one purpose - to get out of this squalor, from dirt, disorder, poverty. And yet, the inhabitants of the city always make decisions for the inhabitants of the village. Therefore, always in case of freedom, strong and talented people from the village will leave. To avoid this, it is necessary first of all to raise the standard of living in the village to the urban one with the appropriate infrastructure. But then the village will automatically become a small town)
      And yet, if you live in villages, then some city youths can go to the square and establish the regime in the country as they need without asking you. And you can’t influence it in any way - you won’t leave the house. Wife, children, household ...
      About mercy to the heart of the village is dear to the one who does not throw out shovels of manure into the pig’s sty It is pigs, not cattle. Who is from the village, he will understand why)))
      And you are a cow with a horse!
      1. bubalik
        bubalik April 23 2014 12: 03
        0
        alexandr.krupnov RU  Today, 10: 40 ↑

        It’s pigs,


        ,,, liquid, and aroma-at, not transmitted echoes wassat
        1. alexandr.krupnov
          alexandr.krupnov April 23 2014 12: 25
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          And do not wash this smell, do not pour in French perfumes.
          At the point you noticed, at the very bull's eye!
          Just don’t think, I love my Ilyinka, this is my childhood, the life of my parents ....
          But this is hell
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      3. Setrac
        Setrac April 23 2014 23: 28
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        Quote: alexandr.krupnov
        About mercy to the heart of the village is dear to the one who does not throw out shovels of manure into the pig’s sty It is pigs, not cattle. Who is from the village, he will understand why)))

        A hundred pluses, let guardians try to live in the village.
    2. Wheel
      Wheel April 23 2014 11: 37
      +2
      Quote: calocha
      It is necessary to create a program and to encourage in every possible way resettlement in the village - with land allotment, forest for building, loans at a low interest. Exempt from tax for 5 years ... When a child is large, give a cow with a horse !!!

      The cow and the horse were especially touched ... lol
  6. sergo
    sergo April 23 2014 08: 23
    +6
    It is high time. One villager provides jobs for 17 citizens (at least). If the village starts to rise, then industry will work. Indeed, to work in the countryside, you need tractors, agricultural machinery, fertilizers and so on. Plus, raw materials will need to be processed.
  7. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 23 2014 08: 23
    +6
    Yeah, like this, in one year to restore what has been destroyed for decades ... I don’t know how it is in central Russia, but here in Siberia the villages are empty for a long time, those who can escape leave the city, especially the youth. The remaining ... not all of course, but many thump. The state can and wants to raise agriculture, but with our officials this is unrealistic. I'm not talking about prices for diz. fuel, electricity ... The presence of sanctions will not affect the food market especially, because we mostly buy the same beef in Brazil, although there is now a terrible drought as they write ... In general, another cry about the need for such a clear just screaming, nothing will change.
    P.S .:
    The use of the new rural development program, the grain harvest only in the next 5-7 years can grow by at least a quarter (we will not forget the new Russian regions - the Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol, where agriculture makes a significant contribution to local budgets

    In the "Republic of Crimea" there is no water for irrigation, agriculture is over there.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 April 23 2014 08: 48
      -5
      Quote: Nayhas
      In the "Republic of Crimea" there is no water for irrigation, agriculture is over there.


      And for this you need the same Krajin to the nail.
    2. alexandr.krupnov
      alexandr.krupnov April 23 2014 10: 54
      +1
      Adequate comment. Across the Crimea - read about the campaigns of Golitsyn at Sophia. There, it is perfectly said about the aridity of the peninsula.
      In the village - mainly those who either can’t do nothing or have no place to leave the youth did not leave.
      Yes, there are those who stay and live normally, work. But units. Mostly beer alcoholism
      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 23 2014 23: 33
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        Quote: alexandr.krupnov
        Across the Crimea - read about the campaigns of Golitsyn at Sophia. There, it is perfectly said about the aridity of the peninsula.

        Okst, Golitsyn did not reach the Crimea.
    3. Wheel
      Wheel April 23 2014 11: 44
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      I'm not talking about prices for diz. fuel, for electricity ...

      Forgot the most basic thing - sales.
      Peasants could also produce at current energy prices, but only if they were guaranteed to be sold at a fair price.
      And then the paradox turns out, milk is taken at 9 rubles, in the store - 35.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 April 23 2014 12: 58
        +1
        - Yeah, when I arrived in the region, I was surprised that almost every house had strange shit, such as small platforms, 2 meter high ... it turned out that they put milk jars on them to make loading more convenient. The last time they were gone ... and houses in villages more and more resemble suburban sleeping areas - more and more lawns and flower beds, and from cattle - dogs with cats ... I wonder where the milk comes from at our dairy now?
      2. Prometey
        Prometey April 23 2014 14: 46
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        Quote: Wheel
        And then the paradox turns out, milk is taken at 9 rubles, in the store - 35.

        From the producer to the store, milk passes through the dairy, where milk is pasteurized and packaged in containers. Although what we drink is mostly made from milk powder laughing
        Therefore, the price of 35 rubles in the store is still quite adequate.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 23 2014 15: 09
          0
          Quote: Prometey
          From the producer to the store, milk passes through the dairy, where milk is pasteurized and packaged in containers. Although what we drink is mostly made from milk powder. Therefore, the price of 35 rubles in the store is still quite adequate.

          No, everything is fine !!!!
          The same purchase price was 5 years ago, only in the store the package cost 19 rubles. And then the purchase was quite acceptable ... And the solarium was cheaper and electricity ...
          As for the powder, for the time being, the natural comes to light.
          Of the powder on sale in winter appears.
      3. Ensiferum
        Ensiferum April 24 2014 16: 57
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        This paradox can be easily explained if we take into account that a number of intermediaries such as Vector-Trade LLC are built into the "producer - store - consumer" chain, each of which strives to weld more. This is how it turns out: ICHP *** oev Ildar Sh **** vich buys milk from farmer Ivanov for 9 rubles / liter, resells Vector-Trade LLC for 13-14 rubles / liter, from there it is already transferred to Vector CJSC for 18 rubles / liter, they sell to the store for 25 rubles / liter, and the store sells for 35.
        1. brn521
          brn521 April 25 2014 09: 27
          0
          We also add that each of the intermediaries pays taxes, and also contains the staff of employees involved in reporting. And a considerable staff, I note. Much larger than in Europe. The result is an extremely inefficient system, where a significant part of the people works for the state (reporting), and a significant part of the money goes to the state too. Add state structures that process this mountain of reporting. We get the result, in the west, one hard worker should conditionally provide nine people from the non-productive sphere. We have twenty of them, and some of them not only provide bread and butter, but also guarantee a considerable layer of caviar from above, because they sit in government agencies and are primarily concerned about their interests. Add local disasters, which have already become the rule, when one of these caviar lovers decides to portray useful activities, and begins to shovel, rewrite and add forms and instructions, forcing the whole country to dance tap dance, and distracting more and more people to this useless activity.
  8. Strashila
    Strashila April 23 2014 08: 47
    +2
    As my dad said ... the question is simple to solve ... as in the days of Comrade Stalin, there was a cash tax on land, but there was also a commodity tax. Each farm, not only public, but also private, was obliged to hand over a certain amount of grain, meat, milk and other things to the bins of the Motherland ... but this was also regulated by the quality of products, what kind of grain.
    The owner does not fulfill his obligations ... to seize and recover the cost of land restoration.
    But a zealous host ... this is not enough.
    The state itself has withdrawn from solving this issue, they are waving a banner, but what do they do in reality.
    All reforms in education, medicine, and culture went through locust agriculture.
    The closure of medical, educational, cultural institutions ... this is the main reason for people to leave the countryside ... and this is the prerogative of the state, and it quietly eliminated itself.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 23 2014 09: 44
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      not only public, but also private was obliged to hand over a certain amount of grain, meat, milk and other things to the bins of the motherland ...

      Would you work for free? From which h.r.e.a. should the collective farmer do this? The country has a tax system. The manufacturer can only be interested in purchasing prices, but what you offer is some kind of feudalism.
    2. alexandr.krupnov
      alexandr.krupnov April 23 2014 11: 00
      +1
      And everyone will run away from the earth with such a system. Did your dad cultivate the land himself at the time of Stalin, or?
  9. mamont5
    mamont5 April 23 2014 08: 47
    +1
    "Due to the actual abandonment of fertile lands in a number of regions, with the light hand of local officials, they suddenly turn into real estate for building. And most of them grow up far from agricultural enterprises, not farms, and not agricultural companies, but cottage settlements with an eye on their purchase by wealthy citizens . "

    Yes, there will be enough empty land in Russia in any area for both construction and farmland. You just have to work. As in Mayakovsky: "... just work, just work and in the republic there will be whoever needs what!"
    1. Wheel
      Wheel April 23 2014 12: 25
      +3
      Quote: mamont5
      Only need to work.

      Work for work?
      Now let's look at a hypothetical situation ...
      Someone (whether it was a private trader or the remnants of a former agricultural structure) decided to work.
      Earth is the sea. He took a loan (and even interest-free), bought equipment, fuel, equipment, breeding stock, found the remains of specialists, persuaded them.
      Let's go!
      Plowed, sowed, restored or rebuilt farms.
      And he even built his own dairy in order to get a fair price for himself. He concluded a contract for the sale of products with a large network, accepts milk from the population and the remnants of nearby producers.
      Lepote!
      The year is working, two, three, I have already paid off the loan, the profitability is normal, the employees are satisfied ...
      And suddenly problems begin.
      The networker suddenly refuses the contract without explanation.
      Nobody takes milk and meat at any price, although their legs are knocked down from walking to potential consumers, though small shops take something, but they can’t attach everything ...
      And then good fellows come and popularly explain that he (this Someone) crossed the road to a "respected" person, but this "respected" person is so magnanimous that he is ready to buy a farm for as much as three rubles (no-no-no, without any irons , everything is polite and civilized).
      There is a long bargaining, "respected" even throws fifty dollars.
      And?
      And what?
      Naturally, the day after the purchase, the livestock goes under the knife, the workers go outside ...
      Worked ...
      Hmm, I wanted to consider hypothetically, but wrote off from reality ...
      And not with one ...
    2. dik-fort
      dik-fort April 23 2014 17: 00
      -1
      Indeed, why are agricultural problems associated with the development of houses, and then where to build? You try to take the land under the ILI, but there is no free land, there are abandoned agricultural land, they are overgrown with forest, but you can’t build, the same thing with forest lands. In Soviet times, these issues were simply resolved, but now they have piled up laws; as a result, millions of officials and those who solve land issues must be paid to take something. The idiocy is continuous, in our village there are plenty of people who want to build their own house, but they don’t give land, all around there is agricultural land or forest fund to transfer to another category - this is the federal level, local officials don’t need it.
  10. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 23 2014 08: 51
    0
    People. And can anyone tell about the positive news about the opening of new agricultural facilities, about the development of the village, about the modernization of agricultural machinery, about something positive?
    Maybe there is still progress in this direction?
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 23 2014 09: 31
      +1
      Quote: mojohed2012
      Maybe there is still progress in this direction?

      We have preserved several large farms (state farms in the old way) in our region. Among them, there are even quite profitable ones. At least 4 years ago, when I was working in a production group, uncles from the village came to me and ordered polyethylene pipes 300 of diameter 2 km for a land reclamation system. We paid 100% prepayment for the entire amount. Even large construction enterprises could rarely afford such a thing for us.
    2. Wheel
      Wheel April 23 2014 12: 28
      0
      Quote: mojohed2012
      Can anyone tell us about the positive news about the opening of new agricultural facilities, about the development of the countryside, about the modernization of agricultural machinery, about something positive? Can there still be progress in this direction?

      Fortunately, there is.
      Was last summer in the Bryansk - pleasantly surprised by the price of pork.
      It turned out to be local.
      They adopted the program and implemented it with the support and control of the local governor.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey April 23 2014 14: 39
        +1
        Quote: Wheel
        Was last summer in the Bryansk - pleasantly surprised by the price of pork.

        Russian pork has become a competitor at import prices. Although the quality of many manufacturers is still lame and our packaging meat is still not beautiful.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 23 2014 15: 41
          0
          Quote: Prometey
          Russian pork has become a competitor at import prices. Although the quality of many manufacturers is still lame and our packaging meat is still not beautiful.

          I prefer to take on the market, packaging for me is the most secondary thing.
      2. brn521
        brn521 April 23 2014 14: 44
        0
        Yes, in the summer there really was a decline in prices. But often it was explained very simply, liquidation of farms was carried out.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 23 2014 15: 42
          0
          Quote: brn521
          Yes, in the summer there really was a decline in prices. But often it was explained very simply, liquidation of farms was carried out.

          Well I do not know...
          A friend who went to, claims that prices are at the same level.
          1. brn521
            brn521 April 23 2014 16: 35
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            And in our suburbs, the price rose for pork in carcasses from 110 to 170 rubles (last week) per kg. In nearby areas, rubles are 5-10 cheaper. We have production, albeit small, but there are no stocks, and there are no trucks for trips to distant areas. Things turn out to be unimportant, we have to raise prices.
    3. saygon66
      saygon66 April 23 2014 13: 06
      +1
      - There is a joint Russian-Scandinavian economy in the region ... It was said that machine operators go to far fields on ATVs, or even jeeps, the cleanliness around is straight sterile ... yes, and you don’t even need to wash cars (quadras) after the trip - specially trained people will wash everything, examine it, fill it up ... but there is no way to plump or skip. It seems like pigs are bred there ... And another farm - there are even tulips grown there, specialists are building housing ...
    4. Kazbek
      Kazbek April 23 2014 21: 27
      +1
      Quote: mojohed2012
      Can anyone tell us about the positive news?
      From Northern Kazakhstan - Kostanay region: we are now very good. well subsidize agriculture, and not only him. There is the Sybaga program, where very soft loans are given for breeding livestock. Gathered to fill up the meat of the Russian Federation. Of course there are problems - kickbacks. Yes, and thoroughbred cattle must be purchased from "recommended". And they often vparivayut illiquid assets that soon dies. However, recently, the regional authorities have no time for kickbacks. They impose almost by force - it is necessary to report to the top. And there are many more programs for opening your own agricultural business, if only everything is reasonable and realistic. Business plan, etc. etc.
  11. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina April 23 2014 08: 58
    +4
    Agriculture for Russia is the same defense industry. Russia was holding on to this. And here "until the thunder breaks out, the man does not cross himself."
    Officials say that in our country this cannot be produced in sufficient quantities or does not grow at all, and in dachas and household plots in the same region, everything is growing in abundance. It's just that they themselves need to be put in the "sic" position on the field, foreign cars should be replaced by carts, put on rubber boots, the water and light should be turned off, they should be forced to run out into the street when needed, to be treated by a rural paramedic, and children should be taught in a rural school. And then they all grow in the supermarket.
    And agricultural land should be banned for misuse.
    1. Sour
      Sour April 23 2014 13: 41
      -1
      Quote: valentina-makanalina
      Agriculture for Russia is the same defense industry

      Absolutely right.
  12. Eugene
    Eugene April 23 2014 09: 09
    +1
    In this sense, the experience of Belarus is very indicative.
  13. en 45
    en 45 April 23 2014 09: 12
    +1
    Quote: Alez
    it's time to break the monopoly of networkers taking money for placing goods in their stores.
    Networks is still that infection. First, taxes are paid at the place of registration, and not to the local budgets where their stores are located. Secondly, with the advent of networkers, local small shops are closed, unable to withstand competition. And they just most often work with local producers, and taxes are paid to local budgets. Although there are local leaders who simply do not let them in.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 23 2014 09: 36
      +1
      Quote: en 45
      networkers are still that infection

      I agree. If for megacities - they are still basically needed, then in provincial towns - it's just a plague. They strangle small entrepreneurs who are simply unable to cope with price dumping. Networkers themselves twist the hands of manufacturers (although they themselves are conducted on their terms - deliveries at low prices and on long delay terms). It would be my will, I would forbid the opening of network points in cities with a population of less than 100 thousand.
  14. Metal
    Metal April 23 2014 09: 23
    0
    I’ve been saying this for a long time! It is necessary to plant crops. With a competent approach, everything will grow with us! Komissarov’s Garden in the Omsk Region and the Botanical Garden on the Solovetsky Islands are proof of this! Ban GMOs. Develop livestock. Earth with us, God forbid. Do not be lost!
  15. Free wind
    Free wind April 23 2014 09: 38
    +3
    Life in the village of a peasant, farmer or agricultural producer is very difficult. Milkmaids, tractor drivers do not live long. They are dying not from drunkenness, as you like to say, but from unbearable working conditions, from diseases. Milkmaids from cows are often infected with indistinguishable diseases. For a rural worker, the concept of a day off is absent. There is no sick leave. As they say, “you won’t get richer in the countryside, but a hunchback, yes.” But what about the intermediaries. well say let the private traders sell themselves. And you think how he can stand in the bazaar to sell meat when he needs to be in the field, to procure fodder. It is necessary for private traders, probably to create a network of procurement offices. Where products would be accepted at normal prices. Well, so that the workers' wages in the countryside need to be passed a law on, say ... 5 times the director's salary over the minimum wage of the worker, not average, but the minimum. The seeder received a minimum wage of 6000 - the director's salary 6000 * 5 = 30000 rubles.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik April 23 2014 12: 09
      +1
      Free wind RU  Today, 09: 38
      For the rural worker, the concepts of a day off


      ,, that's for sure ,,, for cattle the production calendar has not yet been introduced ,,,
  16. Ptah
    Ptah April 23 2014 09: 43
    +1
    SANCTIONS.....
    The most popular word among the people.
    I apologize for the "offtopic" ... hi
    Yesterday I talked with robotic guys doing repairs in my apartment. All rooms were picked up and the logic in their actions was incomprehensible. He turned politely:
    "- Guys, you finish at least one room before you can put a bed, make a sheet and spend the night not like on a homeless heating main ...
    Otherwise I will be forced ENTER IN RESPECT TO YOU - SANCTIONS ..."
    Then I’ll load it on itself. And they understood and supported ... laughing
  17. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul April 23 2014 09: 44
    +1
    Now the main thing is to start work in the right direction.

    The volume of agricultural production in the region should increase 2,5 times by 2020
    The Governor of the Nizhny Novgorod Region Valery Shantsev inspected the work of agricultural support programs in the region by the example of agricultural enterprises of the Vorotynsky district. “Over the past few years, crop production has“ pulled itself well ”, we are collecting our million tons of grain, they are 100% provided with the region. The milk indicators are also quite good - in 2013 the region became the only one in the Volga Federal District, where milk production did not decrease. It is still more difficult with meat - the provision with its products is only 50%, ”said Valery Shantsev. - It is necessary to build large pig-breeding complexes, to develop the production of poultry meat, we will support this area. I think in the next four years we will reach a meat security level of about 85%. "I set the goal by 2020 to increase the share of local products in stores from the current 66% to 80%."
    Reference. Governor Valery Shantsev set a goal to increase agricultural production by almost two and a half times by 2020 (from 75 billion rubles in 2012 to 180 billion), increase the share of local products in stores to 80%, and establish systematic sales of agricultural products and farmers and reach full self-sufficiency in agricultural products.
    According to the regional Ministry of Agriculture, in 2013, 3,2 billion rubles were allocated from the regional budget for the development of the agricultural sector. At the same time, over the past eight years, regional support has increased eight times, federal support - four times. Due to the fact that the region fully provides itself with crop products (grain, vegetables, potatoes), and meat - by 50%, milk - by 75%, the largest amount of funds over the past four years has been directed to the development of livestock.
    In 2009, on the initiative of Valery Shantsev, the region developed a system of targeted support for agricultural producers, in particular, stimulating subsidies for livestock production. So, for one liter of milk produced, each enterprise receives two rubles, subject to the modernization of livestock facilities, the economy is paid an additional subsidy in the amount of one ruble, two rubles are paid for reconstruction, and three rubles for new construction. As a result, 376 objects with a capacity of 82 thousand heads were built, reconstructed and modernized in the region. This is three quarters of all farms in the region.
    In 2013, the program moved to a new stage - from reconstruction to new construction. During the year 125 livestock farms were built - almost 14 times more than in 2012 (9 farms).
    In connection with Russia's entry into the WTO, since 2013 new measures have been introduced to support agricultural producers. Measures of the so-called “yellow basket”, that is, specific “direct” subsidies that affect the production process itself, are prohibited by WTO rules. They were replaced by measures of the "green basket", that is, unrelated support that agricultural producers can spend at their discretion - to purchase fuel, fertilizers, and pay loans.
    According to the Ministry of Agriculture and Food of the Region, in 2013, 224 million rubles were attracted from the federal budget as unrelated support to the Nizhny Novgorod Region. From the regional budget another 155,6 million were allocated for these purposes. For comparison, last year 215 million rubles were allocated to provide preferential fuel and lubricants.

    Source: Press Service of the Governor and Government of the Nizhny Novgorod Region.

    hi
  18. Karabin
    Karabin April 23 2014 10: 00
    0
    If it were not for the systematic "partner" horror stories that Russia will, for its own position in the international arena, be pressed in all directions, then most Russians would continue to believe that increased attention to issues of strengthening national (state) security is something like paranoia, which needs to be treated, because Russia has no enemies.
    Apparently, the author considers himself a minority, which always keeps his finger on the pulse, and the tail with a gun. And the dumb majority must be threatened with sanctions in order to wake up.
    1. Volodin
      April 23 2014 13: 08
      0
      I would call your conclusion far-reaching (especially about the "dull majority"), well, too far-reaching ...
  19. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 23 2014 10: 06
    +4
    When I go to my small homeland on the sides of the road all the fields are overgrown with weeds, and the trees have already risen. The disgrace is utter. Russia has the largest arable land in the world, and the lands of Krasnodar, Kuban and Ukraine are valuable black soil. It’s just a crime to do this, to launch the land. And even worse, to lease for 50 years to the Chinese and other agricultural TNCs who care only about the benefits and they do not care about the environment and the resulting products with pesticides. The problem is old and it is surprising that Putin has only now received his sight. Here you can’t get off with loans and lower prices for fuel and lubricants. It is necessary to completely raise the industry and attract the population to live in the countryside. The experience of Belarus on the face. We need to work together.
  20. Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA April 23 2014 10: 21
    0
    we need money for development, the Central Bank needs to step on the testicles, let it give loans and can not stand the brain to the Ministry of Finance, like it is not obliged. Or I demand to allow barter schemes, but then without taxes. We will grow meat and change it to grain and feed on a neighboring collective farm.
  21. Gardamir
    Gardamir April 23 2014 10: 50
    0
    And what do you want, the first minister said that they will not change their policies. He laughed at the proposals of Gennady Andreyevich, and proudly left. as always in love with himself.
  22. Begemot
    Begemot April 23 2014 10: 53
    +7
    I put "+" in the article, but I am not ready to agree with some positions.
    1. "... a city dweller acquires a" house in the village "often not at all in order to participate in individual agricultural production" ... end of the quote. Almost all of my friends have houses in rural areas and half of them produce agricultural products on their own premises. Some keep poultry and rabbits, some goats. I have an orchard of 36 apple trees (up to 3 tons of apples per season), an apiary, a herd of high-quality sheep, this year I will sell the first batch of pedigree lambs. You can't say 100% that summer residents only eat barbecue and swim in the pools.
    2. The transfer of land from arable to municipal is not a real problem of the CX, it is a problem of corruption - yes, but arable land is more than enough and the construction takes up a fraction of a percent that cannot be compared with empty land.
    And the lands are empty because there is really no one, nothing on which to cultivate them. The impoverishment of the peasantry, the decline of the rural population (natural, but rather unnatural and migration to cities) reached an almost critical point. In addition, the so-called "support" of agricultural producers by the state is destructive. I have already described my personal experience of increasing the cost of equipment by 250% for the S / X console. Yes, and only a large farm that has the financial ability to maintain a legally competent employee who will be engaged exclusively in tracking information about the allocation of money for the agricultural sector and drawing up documents for "support" can really get "support". An ordinary farmer will not have enough time or skill for this.
    3. Again - I’ll say from personal experience that, in addition to poverty and devastation in agriculture, the main reason for stagnation is the legislative ban on doing business in general, and especially in agriculture. Overcoming all administrative barriers in such a high-risk business as agriculture is an almost impossible task.
    Today, I had to invest about 2 million in my very small project, while I deliberately do not register a farm or a private entrepreneur, as I know that right after that, the project will have to be closed. To maintain legal status, one has to do everything within the framework of the subsidiary farm, but this is only for the time being. Even a small herd of 300 goals will no longer fit into personal needs, and to comply with the technical standards and requirements established by law, of which I am already aware, it will take up to 3,5 million non-productive investments that will not affect productivity and profitability. Not to mention those about which I do not yet know. 2,0 million direct production costs and 3,5 for ritual dances - you must have a profitability of 100%. Unless, grow hemp, or poppy, so they can plant for this. This is despite the fact that for the normal functioning of the economy, according to my calculations, it is necessary to invest at least another 10-12 million plus 2-3 million working capital. And this is only for the next year. If you expand - proportionally you need to multiply these numbers. Find a peasant with such resources that he is ready to invest in agriculture - DO NOT FIND !.
  23. gnv731
    gnv731 April 23 2014 11: 00
    +7
    There are big questions about food safety. In my area in the Orenburg region in the 90 years in each village council worked a farm up to 5-6 thousand heads of cattle. Now there are no farms left. Thanks to the adopted regulations, slaughtering livestock in a private farm is prohibited. It is necessary to take the cattle to the downhole workshop (for some village councils the distance to the workshop is up to 50 km), to pay from 400 to 1000 rubles. for slaughter and take the meat to the receiver. Simple arithmetic: the accepting price of pork up to 90 kg is 115 rubles (over 90 kg, try not to take), the cost of 1 ton of crushed meat is 7500 - 8500 rubles (in dry years it reaches 10 - 11 tr), the cost of feed per 1 a pig - 800 kg (if you keep up to 80 kg), the cost of delivery and slaughter is about 1500 rubles, the cost of calling a veterinarian for castration is about 500 rubles, the cost of a pig is about 2000 rubles: total remains about 350 rubles. Who is ready for a year to carry manure, load feed, feed, clean for 350 rubles? We now have practically no personal cattle left (the situation is similar with cows). Yes, almost all fields are sown, but small farmers, in most cases, are not interested in the development of the village (s / pl workers at best 8–15 tr) and are busy providing themselves and their children with housing in the regional city and other essential monetary problems (purchases of expensive foreign cars, for example). Small farmers are not able to keep agronomists, so crop rotation is often not respected. I believe that there can only be one way out: the creation of large collective farms (with state guarantees for remuneration, social security, etc.), the arrangement of infrastructure at the expense of the state, the massive construction of housing, the revival of healthcare (today, healthcare is us at the level of shamanistic treatment in distant tribes).
    In the absence of a coherent state policy, the land will become empty. And the land cannot be without an owner, if we leave, "polite" Chinese or Indians will come, and the population of our cities will continue to eat meat stuffed with antibiotics, or rotten meat from abroad.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul April 23 2014 11: 23
      +2
      There are big questions about food safety. In my area in the Orenburg region, in the 90s, a farm of up to 5-6 thousand head of cattle worked in each village council. Now there are no farms left.
      Above, I cited data on the Nizhny Novgorod region, which I wanted to say by this, the development of regions lies entirely with the governors, and if the governor does not care about the region entrusted to him, then the result will be what you brought. hi
      1. gnv731
        gnv731 April 23 2014 11: 58
        +1
        I think that with the exception of the Kuban, the situation is more or less similar everywhere. In the Perm Territory, if you leave the regional center the situation is similar and even worse (from your own experience). Until there is a clear state regulation (as, for example, in Germany), there will be no improvement. The cost of diesel fuel is now over 30 rubles, the acceptance price of milk (normal milk, with a percentage of fat content of 4-5) is 15 rubles. The state must determine the rules of the game: if you want to engage in raising livestock, here is a contract for the purchase of young animals, feed, and the delivery of finished products. If the cost of growing will be about 50% of the cost (for personal farms), the country will be littered with its meat, milk, wool, etc.
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul April 23 2014 16: 51
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          Until there is a clear state regulation (as, for example, in Germany), there will be no improvement.
          My opinion remains the same, everything that can be resolved at the local level must be decided by the regional authorities (for this they are set up), the central authority (state) should be given powers on foreign policy and the country's defense capability. hi
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  24. Nikich
    Nikich April 23 2014 11: 38
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    Urgently needed. do something. Even if it is not profitable. For example, give farmers interest-free development loans. Restore collective farms. In general, this is not the first year that has been going on; it was already possible to do something. In extreme cases, even if it is to regain virgin lands,
  25. Not angry
    Not angry April 23 2014 11: 58
    +1
    It’s good that they started to discuss it. It remains to eat up what they start to do.
  26. mig31
    mig31 April 23 2014 12: 01
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    Lord !!! Help our villagers !!! So that they are in no way needless !!!
  27. brn521
    brn521 April 23 2014 12: 30
    +1
    In Russia, agriculture was based on people. In the Soviet period, these people either died out, or they thoroughly "beat the crap out" of them. All these reflections about the possible easy rise of agriculture in Russian realities I take as a fairy tale. You can, of course, estimate the economic component that will allow a normal infrastructure in the village, provide agricultural workers with an acceptable salary, and businessmen with an acceptable profit. But how many times will the product price rise? So we will not come to anything, other people will not want to sacrifice the standard of living for the sake of some kind of agricultural and spend all their income on food, they will want to raise salaries, raise prices. I'm not talking about pensioners at all, to ensure that their pensions rise, taxes will have to be increased ... As a result, we will still get the same eggs, only in profile. So it remains to introduce subsidies, as in developed countries. But this approach requires a clear organization of accounting and control. With our corruption, a significant part of subsidies can easily go to non-targeted needs, and not to the actual support of the agricultural sector.
    At my level, I see one, albeit not serious, but the solution is to replace the country's population with technology :). It is much easier with her than with people. She is much better predictable and manageable. For me, the ideal of development is the growth of technology. So that almost all the hard work is done by technology, and people only served it and drove the technology further. That's about what the USSR should have been striving for in my opinion. But in fact, the human factor creates much more problems that need solutions.
  28. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y April 23 2014 12: 38
    +1
    Ukraine blocked the Crimea water in the canal - shown in the news.
    Although the Crimeans paid for water regularly.
    Something was mentioned - in the UN documents such a "water shutdown" is equated with a declaration of war, or not?
    Let's see how "ours" react.
    In an extreme case, it was possible to make payment for water "offset" for gas (within reasonable limits, of course).
  29. goose
    goose April 23 2014 13: 24
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    Quote: vladimirZ
    It is necessary to drive the liberals from the highest power in Russia, the liberal Medvedev and his comrades from the Government of the Russian Federation, for an anti-popular domestic policy. It is necessary to stop the privatization of state property, to throw the slogan "The private owner is more efficient than the state" on the dustbin of history as false, to restore the planned state sector of the economy in the most important main sectors of the economy : defense, raw materials, energy, etc. In agriculture, restore large-scale agricultural production not on the basis of farms that have not justified themselves and can feed only the farmer himself, but on the basis of large collective and state agricultural production (collective and state farms), leaving and farms in narrow areas of agricultural production. Enough to engage in demagoguery and verbiage, business must be done, WORK.

    In fact, with such an increase in prices in the networks of large cities, the production of products in Russia has already become very profitable. Nobody really wants to work. And network owners do not want to work with a more profitable, high-quality, but too many-sided Russian product. It’s easier for them with large agricultural concerns.
  30. Sour
    Sour April 23 2014 13: 54
    +3
    I was born and raised in the countryside. Even before the army, as a schoolboy and vocational school student, he worked for 3 seasons at the harvesting wheel at the "Niva", worked at the age of 16 as a tractor driver on a DT-75, and before the army worked as a driver at the SAZ-3507 (who does not know - a dump truck based on the GAZ-53 ). When he served in the army as a soldier and an officer, he was a motorist, and he saw the harvesting season. Almost all of my numerous relatives are from the countryside.
    I do not consider myself a specialist in agriculture, I see no reason. But I can distinguish rye from wheat without problems, and I also know how to use a plow, cultivator and seeder.
    I’ll tell you my opinion. The main problem of our agriculture is that they have been killing people for decades to work on land. And in the end, they killed. To return this desire is difficult, and there is no one else. In many regions, the village has long been depopulated. This especially hit traditional cultures for the Non-Black Earth Region - potatoes, flax, and sugar beets. Already in the late 60s, villages in the Non-Chernozem zone began to disappear en masse. Only in my native area with an area of ​​1100 square kilometers from 1960 to 1980, 21 settlements disappeared.
    The people were discouraged from living in the village and farming. But this was inherited. From scratch, raising an agrarian from a city dweller is almost impossible.
    And a greater crime against the Russian nation is hard to imagine.
  31. Velikoruss
    Velikoruss April 23 2014 14: 07
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    +1000
    Finally the roasted cock pecked! It would be better if people finally woke up and drove all this liberal grief-reform gang to the neck! In Soviet times, the Orenburg region did not manage to export the grown grain. Had to attract the military, and regularly, from year to year. Livestock flourished. In short, the country was fed and still a crowd of parasites in Africa and Asia. And now the farmers are only engaged in the promotion of crop failures by harvesting insurance payments. True, how to restore everything now, only God knows: the livestock farms were dismantled and sold cheaply for building materials (for clogging the foundations!), Masersk and agricultural machinery were stolen for scrap, people got drunk, and who didn’t drink in the cities and got oil mines. The current state fits right with the post-war time. A good title for the liberals under Stalin was an enemy of the people. Damn, well, do not add not reduce! And by title and honors. And I think the best thing is not to spread them or to weave the taiga, but to send them to life-long agricultural work before they restore what’s destroyed!
    1. Sour
      Sour April 23 2014 14: 50
      -1
      Quote: Velikorus
      A good title for the liberals under Stalin was an enemy of the people.

      Yes, just under Stalin they ruined everything.
      They made a farm laborer from the peasant on state land. And even if you work well, even if it’s bad, there will still be no difference in the standard of living.
      Did the liberals do this? Chubais with Serdyukov? Or CIA agents?
      This was done by ghouls, fans of the egalitarian ideology. "if you want this, if you want to strike, you will still get it." This ditty was not composed under the liberals.
      Although the liberals also have something to ask.
  32. Velikoruss
    Velikoruss April 23 2014 14: 09
    +1
    +1000
    Finally the roasted cock pecked! It would be better if people finally woke up and drove all this liberal grief-reform gang to the neck! In Soviet times, the Orenburg region did not manage to export the grown grain. Had to attract the military, and regularly, from year to year. Livestock flourished. In short, the country was fed and still a crowd of parasites in Africa and Asia. And now the farmers are only engaged in the promotion of crop failures by harvesting insurance payments.
    True, it’s only God knows how to restore everything now: stock-breeding bases were dismantled and sold cheaply for building materials (to overburden the foundations!), Maser and agricultural machinery were stolen for scrap, people got drunk, and who didn’t drink in the cities and went to oil mines. The current state fits right with the post-war time. A good title for the liberals under Stalin was an enemy of the people. Damn, well, do not add not reduce! And by title and honors. And I think the best thing is not to shoot them or send weeds to the taiga, but to send them for life-long agricultural work, until they restore what’s destroyed!
  33. brn521
    brn521 April 23 2014 14: 37
    +1
    Quote: Sour
    From scratch, raising an agrarian from a city dweller is almost impossible.

    You can easily. The educational situation is called "there is nothing more to eat". The only problem is that a significant part of the population will prefer to go to bandits at first. But all this will work only in the event of a global catastrophe. And now I don't see any real way out. If in Soviet times, with a planned economy, the problem could not be solved and even aggravated (collective farm slavery, work for sticks, a pension of 5 rubles, etc.), now it is very difficult to solve the problem at all. It is easier to continue importing agricultural products.
    Quote: goose
    In fact, with such an increase in prices in the networks of large cities, the production of products in Russia has already become very profitable.

    Do not forget that intermediaries play the main role. They have already noticed correctly, if everything works within the framework of a subsidiary farm, without paying taxes and disgusting Russian reporting, then it is still possible to make ends meet. It is worth going higher, and it is easier to close, or use the achievements of the Chinese in growing products from nothing.
  34. Sour
    Sour April 23 2014 14: 57
    +1
    Quote: brn521
    You can easily. The educational situation is called "there is nothing more to eat".

    Wrong.
    Gardener - you can do it. But not a modern agrarian.
    There is little desire to devour, you still need to instill a habit of land, to work from dark to dark, to teach knowledge of agricultural machinery and livestock, machinery and tractor fleets, to teach you to understand fertilizers and herbicides, the problems of storing grain and beets.
    In short, you need to train commodity agriculture and livestock.
    Gardener - yes, you can do it if "there is nothing more to eat." It's easy. But the gardener will only feed himself, and even then with difficulty.
  35. brn521
    brn521 April 23 2014 16: 30
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    Quote: Sour
    You are mistaken. Gardener - can be done. But not a modern agrarian.

    Knowledge has not disappeared, they just are not in demand now. But if serious food problems suddenly start, people will have a choice, either to swell from hunger in urban high-rise buildings, with electricity, water and sewage shut off. Or arrange armed raids on gardens (because of this gardeners will fly by and large) and warehouses. But this is not enough for a long time. Or get a job where food is grown and produced. I am sure that at the same time all the necessary knowledge will quickly emerge (agricultural engineering, livestock farming, equipment, etc.). But this option is catastrophic and undesirable, although it is precisely under it that the agricultural sector will occupy a worthy place in the surviving economy.
    But I don’t believe in a calm and peaceful process. Work in agriculture is difficult and ungrateful in the current economic structure. The state will not be able to allocate sufficiently large subsidies, and will not overpower control over their distribution, so everything will remain the same.
  36. Sour
    Sour April 23 2014 16: 33
    +1
    Now there is only one way out - to develop large agro-holdings.
    This is a costly way, requires large investments. But there is no other way, due to the shortage of people and money in the countryside.
    Their lending should be under state guarantees. Otherwise it will not work.
    And do not try to develop everything. This is the way to a standstill. Those industries that are particularly costly in our conditions (such as cattle meat breeds) will have to collapse.
    Now pig and poultry farming are developing. Just by this principle.
    Need to raise potato growing. There are conditions, this is our culture, this is not a banana. Large holdings with a full cycle are also needed - from planting potatoes to packing chips.
    More precisely - not to raise, but to create anew. After all, with a scoop, potato growing was in the pen. Techniques - zero. I remember very well how in the 70s and 80s the townspeople, mostly students, were driven to harvest potatoes. Those were still "workers", one laugh.
    It is necessary to revive the breeding economy and seed production. Even if it will be unprofitable at first.
    There are enterprising and competent people. Anyway, bye. This is the last chance, it must be used.
  37. brn521
    brn521 April 23 2014 17: 12
    -1
    Quote: Sour
    Now there is only one way out - to develop large agro-holdings.

    Large holdings get stuck in their own bureaucracy no worse than the state apparatus. The result may be the same situation where the main decisions are made by people who are completely unaware of the issue, and again, in the end, it all comes down to the pursuit of private interests.
    Quote: Sour
    And do not try to develop everything. This is the way to a standstill.

    At least the most strategically important direction, cereals. If there is bread, or at least buckwheat, we will not die of hunger. Potatoes are moody and difficult to store. The presence of meat is not critical. He is far from cereals.
    Quote: Sour
    I remember very well how in the 70-80s townspeople, mainly students, drove potatoes to pick up potatoes.

    I remember, still found. Shame on the Soviet flood. They created a huge and powerful strike army. And this is in those days when nuclear weapons had already dotted wherever needed. And they could not solve simpler problems with agriculture. And this despite the fact that the possibilities were not an example of the current. So the current situation seems rather pessimistic to me.
    Quote: Sour
    It is necessary to revive the breeding economy and seed production. Even if it will be unprofitable at first.

    I know the situation with seeds only by the example of garden crops. And she is disgusting. Of the 10 seeds, sometimes only 1 emerges. As far as I understand, the principle is that we will not go anywhere and will buy this junk, since there is no alternative. These hybrids themselves do not produce seeds, and old full crops by sprinkling spoil.
    I hope this does not happen with cereals. It is clear that this is a strategically important area. For the same reason, I am against GMOs. If Americans need it this way, let them test it for themselves. It is not known how it will behave during long-term pollination, not to mention the effect on the body. You look then they themselves will creep up seeds of unmodified crops to beg.
  38. Free wind
    Free wind April 23 2014 17: 42
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    It’s very unpleasant to talk about this topic, about potatoes. I don’t know if this is true, but. In 70 years, a group of scientists was sent abroad, they had to evaluate foreign agricultural machinery. The result of these pydaras. Potato harvesters give a loss of 8-10% of the crop. Moreover, on heavy loam. WE THINK THAT MANUAL LABOR IS MUCH EFFICIENT! Potato harvesters used abroad are now in use! quite okay! About landing complexes the same story.
  39. ShtyrliTTS
    ShtyrliTTS April 23 2014 17: 56
    +1
    About potato eta, it’s rightly noticed, about Belarusian. Just like posss scriptum. I personally contributed to the potato security of Russia — I gave 8 centners to the buyers — wait at your tables, comrades in the Union State!
  40. from 81
    from 81 April 23 2014 18: 12
    +1
    Young people want to work in offices to have a secretory and get greens. They won’t stand in a field with a rake sad these are our berries
  41. Sour
    Sour April 23 2014 19: 57
    -1
    I am calm about GMOs.
    Not a single dog has proven their harm. The notorious "French experiments" have long been recognized as a hoax.
    Any domestic breed of cattle, any cultivar is essentially GMOs, an organism with an artificially modified gene pool. Only in this case, genetic modification is achieved for years, or even centuries, and genetic engineering methods allow this to be done immediately.
    The traditional breeder works largely blindly and for a long time, the genetic engineer acts directionally and immediately. And the result is the same - the creation of a new plant variety.
    If you do not fundamentally use GMOs, then you need to eat only wild plants and meat of wild animals. Any variety, any breed grown by traditional selection methods are also genetically modified organisms.
    If anything, now all GMOs yeast, without them you can’t bake bread and cookies, you won’t make kvass and vodka. All soybean is GMO, without it sausages and cooked sausage are not made. All grain corn is GMO. Norwegian salmon is also GMO, just not everyone knows about it. A significant part of the potato is GMO.
    There is too much talk on this subject. Opponents of GMOs say that they even cause cancer. And when they are asked to name what carcinogens there are that are not found in traditional varieties, they stupidly scratch their ass. Because there is nothing to say.
  42. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 23 2014 21: 48
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    <<< but sometimes the percentage of imports from non-CIS countries in this direction is actually growing artificially: French, Dutch, Israeli potatoes instead of their own or, for example, Belarusian - a kind of oddity given the existing potential. >>>
    Why be surprised? With such a libesral lobby in power, which dragged Russia into the WTO, without ensuring the protection of its agricultural production and advocating imports, the domestic agricultural producer simply has NO CHANCE! The libesralov's plans simply DO NOT INCLUDE the development of the Russian countryside, but on the contrary! And they themselves all settled well at the oil and gas pipe according to the "recommendations" of the WTO and they don't care about ANYTHING anymore - they will pay for everything with Russia's mineral resources!
  43. Fanat1984
    Fanat1984 April 24 2014 02: 57
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    We got it !!! Thank God it's not too late !!!
  44. brn521
    brn521 April 24 2014 10: 06
    +1
    Quote: Sour
    Any variety, any breed grown by traditional selection methods are also genetically modified organisms.

    Traditional breeding uses methods that differ little from conventional natural ones. The current gene modification involves working with chromosomes almost directly. It reminds me of a situation when there is an extensive network with software. Everything has been debugged and working for a long time, there have been no failures for many years. But the director did not like the speed of solving some problems, as well as a lot of money spent on sysadmins. He took and invited a young ambitious programmer instead. And he was surprised why it was so steaming and shaking over the system, and in a couple of weeks he replaced several pieces of program code, stupidly ripping out of other programs and "do it yourself" kits. I achieved my goals, the previous admins were fired. Disks with backups were thrown out. The question is, what will happen to this office when the system starts to collapse? And it will certainly begin to crumble, in programming it is always like that, absolutely everything cannot be taken into account.
    And about the safety of GMOs. How can we prove safety for the same heredity? Shall we deliver experience for generations? Aha, we are already betting on a huge number of volunteers. Or will we be guided by the honest eyes of "British scientists"? I will believe them when they do not just calculate the genome, but assemble it from scratch, then there is a chance that they will be able to fix something if something happens. And what is now - the usual hack, a piece tore out, stuck somehow, they said it was. And then the capital stepped in with his pursuit of profits. And don't talk about the omniscience and foresight of these scientists either. Not so long ago, physicists worked with uranium salts with their bare hands. Science never knows everything in advance 100%.
    In general, figs with them, with meat, vegetables and potatoes. But even if they don’t touch the grains. And then we’ll infect everything around with some GMO pollen, then we will have to close the fields with domes.
  45. Velikoruss
    Velikoruss April 24 2014 10: 13
    0
    Quote: Sour
    I am calm about GMOs.
    Not a single dog has proven their harm. The notorious "French experiments" have long been recognized as a hoax.
    Any domestic breed of cattle, any cultivar is essentially GMOs, an organism with an artificially modified gene pool. Only in this case, genetic modification is achieved for years, or even centuries, and genetic engineering methods allow this to be done immediately.
    The traditional breeder works largely blindly and for a long time, the genetic engineer acts directionally and immediately. And the result is the same - the creation of a new plant variety.
    If you do not fundamentally use GMOs, then you need to eat only wild plants and meat of wild animals. Any variety, any breed grown by traditional selection methods are also genetically modified organisms.
    If anything, now all GMOs yeast, without them you can’t bake bread and cookies, you won’t make kvass and vodka. All soybean is GMO, without it sausages and cooked sausage are not made. All grain corn is GMO. Norwegian salmon is also GMO, just not everyone knows about it. A significant part of the potato is GMO.
    There is too much talk on this subject. Opponents of GMOs say that they even cause cancer. And when they are asked to name what carcinogens there are that are not found in traditional varieties, they stupidly scratch their ass. Because there is nothing to say.

    Excuse me, dear, I dare to assume that you are either not very knowledgeable, or consciously submit false information.
    1. If you are not bothered, give a link to the refutation of the test results of GMO products on experimental animals.
    2. Even assuming that GMO products are absolutely harmless, they pose a direct threat to the country's food security, as GMO manufacturers sell only products, not technologies. GMO plants are a priori sterile, i.e. not able to produce viable seeds. And for the next sowing, you need to buy seed from a manufacturing corporation. Moreover, when buying as a separate item, the illegality of storing the stock of such seeds by the buyer is stipulated.
    3. The mechanism for obtaining GMOs is based on interference in the genetic apparatus of organisms, in principle, not possible with traditional selection and cross-breeding. Because the technology itself is not disclosed, and revealing the hidden properties of a particular batch of GMO products is quite complicated, there is the possibility of conducting covert hostile actions against the population of the buyer country.
    4. The unofficial availability of GMO products on the consumer market of Russia does not mean their safety, but corruption in bodies designed to prevent such products from entering our market. Those. hostilities are already taking place against the Russian population. The fact that after the virtually uncontrolled opening of our food market to imported products, the number of oncological and other dangerous diseases among the population of Russia has clearly changed for the worse seen with the naked eye. I will not argue that the reason is only in GMOs, but I am convinced that their share in this is significant. Unfortunately, decisions to ban or authorize the import of imported products are most often taken for reasons of foreign policy, and not according to safety criteria for consumers. Onishchenko became a scarecrow for our political opponents, and at the same time gave a green light to GMO poison.