Glonass is not up to par

Over the past 2 weeks, during the operation of the GLONASS orbital group, two serious failures were recorded. About this reports edition "News MIC".

At the same time, eight spacecraft failed. For half an hour, these devices produced an error in the satellite position data in space.

Earlier in early April, all spacecraft failed by more than 10 hours. Reported by Interfax.

The systematic problems arising in the work of the GLONASS system interested the Russian Defense Ministry, as well as President Vladimir Putin. The manufacturer of the GLONASS satellites state that the investigation of failures in the satellite constellation will be completed this month. If the investigation does not reveal the main reasons for the satellite freezing, then this can cause a significant blow to the image of the project, as well as to the ISS Reshetnev company implementing the project.

Comments

[Roman1970]

It is necessary to continue the GLONASS program in any case. They learn from mistakes, although, of course, it's better to learn from strangers. Moreover, this program is GPS independence. There is an analogy with the Russian car industry ... It turns out not very good yet, but it is necessary to develop YOURS ...

[Luzhichanin]

Choy, exactly at the height of "separatism", began to flounder.
for a reason, for a reason.
the same phobos-soil slept through the window.

when the USSR was, there was a period when our apparatus suddenly began to fall, for no reason, and then sharply American. so to say exchange of blows.

it’s somehow strange, our missiles with American satellites are falling badly, but if the satellites on board are not American ... and if at all Russian, then the percentage of the losses of the devices is large.

[vo.dum]

Here it is depending on someone else’s elemental base ...- it is necessary to make strategic products from your own .... and four times check before launch ... in these cases, the price of error is the death of the country ...

[Burmistr]

Fifth column...

[zennon]

Quote: Burmeister

Fifth column...

There is no fifth column. Everything is much simpler:

The JSC "Information Satellite Systems named after Academician MF Reshetnev explained the failure by the transition to a new control loop."

"We are now moving to an updated control loop, this is a huge and lengthy work, with new tools, new mathematics. Therefore, sometimes there are failures. What we can, we debug on Earth. But, unfortunately, not everything can be" caught "by ground means. , I believe, we have brought to naught the permissible number of mistakes ", - quotes the general director and general designer of" ISS "named after Reshetnev Nikolai Testoedov ITAR-TASS.

[Eugeniy_369k]

Quote: zennon

There is no fifth column. Everything is much simpler:

Yes, it couldn't be easier, "we saw the loot", and now let the others be struggling

Cases of embezzlement of funds allocated to GLONASS have been regularly instituted since the spring of 2012. The amount of damage exceeded the mark of half a billion rubles.

Here is more lenta.ru ›news / 2013/06/17 / glonass

[zennon]

Yes, it couldn't be easier, "we saw the loot", and now let the others be struggling

But let’s still breed flies and cutlets at odds! The fact that everyone steals and always money on government orders is a fact! I assure you the same mattresses are a very difficult problem! But debugging math on a new control loop is something ...

[Eugeniy_369k]

Quote: zennon

But let’s still breed flies and cutlets at odds! The fact that everyone steals and always money on government orders is a fact! I assure you the same mattresses are a very difficult problem! But debugging math on a new control loop is something ...

I understand you, debugging such a system is a tedious matter, but still I am inclined to the version that the main reason is the theft of money, it took a lot of kickbacks and high-quality specialists, equipment, etc. just not enough.
This is my opinion, I heard yours and took notes + .

[URAL72]

Sper from tape.ru: The Russian company MTST completed the testing of the new Elbrus-4C processor and is ready for its mass production. This is stated in the message of the enterprise. "Elbrus-4C" ─ a quad-core microprocessor developed using 65 nanometer technology and supporting three channels of DDR3-1600 memory. The processor core clock frequency is 800 megahertz, and its maximum power dissipation is 60 watts.

The new processor in comparison with "Elbrus-2C +" refers to the next generation chips. It has increased cache memory, added support for binary translation in multithreaded mode, introduced hardware support for binary translation of 64-bit Intel / AMD codes, and optimized memory handling.

The main operating system for the processor is Elbrus, developed on the basis of the Linux kernel version 2.6.33 and supporting the operation of more than three thousand packages from the Debian 5.0 distribution. Today, Elbrus-4C is the most high-performance domestic processor. As clarifies RIA Novosti, these processors are comparable with modern Intel i3 and Intel i5.

The latest generation of Intel i3 and Intel i5 processors with Ivy Bridge architecture uses 22nm process technology. The technological process using 65 nanometer technologies began to be used by global chip makers for their processors back in 2004, and such chips got into mass production in 2006.

The company plans to use the Elbrus-4C microprocessor on server equipment, as well as where replacement of foreign technologies is necessary in order to ensure autonomy and secrecy.

Wash is not bad news. We are not ahead, but we are working, which means we have a future!

[Danash I]

In my opinion, if I’m not mistaken, 90 nanometers in domestic technologies were reported two years ago. As for decent results, although not the most leading ones. practice of this section of science. Otherwise, comments about polymers and Zionists will go. Which is not serious.

[Skiff_spb]

Well, 60 is enough for your purposes. But you need to understand that 22 nanometers is +2 generations. This is a completely different process. But yes - for military and other specific purposes, these processors will be enough, kmk.
But up to modern processors still oh how far. Equipment for printing is purchased from what is debited from commercial plants, alas.

[clidon]

For now, we are simply designing for the technical process that our Taiwanese friends can provide to us. The Russian plant "Angstrem-T" may start production of 110-130nm microcircuits this year. Purchased from IBM 90nm technology, but its implementation in the future.

[IgorM]

Good news! But we are waiting for the OS for the staff, and urgently, to thank for XP and go to ours.

[twviewer]

Quote: URAL72

As clarifies RIA Novosti, these processors are comparable with modern Intel i3 and Intel i5.

the news is good, I especially like that although they didn’t write one that doesn’t have analogues in the world, it’s true that they didn’t compare too, can the heat generated ?! ;)

[Alez]

It is necessary to launch the guilty along with the satellites, so that others are not disagreeable. And then in fashion they took a bolt to the space industry to lay down a bolt.

[diff]

As soon as they begin to imprison for provocations in wartime (and now it is military), everything will change. And then they took the fashion - no responsibility, the watchman or the woman in the market is just to blame ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: diff

As soon as they start to plant, everything will change.

They’ll just go where they don’t put on a stake.

[clidon]

The time is now quite peaceful.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Roman1970

It turns out so far, but YOURS need to be developed ...

I think that it was not just that the Amer drone flew in space. The result, as they say on the face!

[sergey d]

americos blame block glonas

[Shadowcat]

Quote: Roman1970

It is necessary to continue the GLONASS program in any case. They learn from mistakes, although, of course, it's better to learn from strangers.

I completely agree with you, but here we all know that for example in the states of corruption there is no * sarcasm *. I’m talking about this, besides the fact that they were talking about the lope of satellites that they had failed and didn’t take off at all, the hides will tell.
GLONASS system is young, and mistakes, alas, are inevitable, although I want to avoid them. Also, the working base is two times smaller than the state GPS, which is the result - they can simply transfer the signal to a neighboring satellite while repairing / rebooting the failed one.

[Army1]

I already wrote that French components are used in glonass, but glonass is completely from our parts. In electronics, we have not lagged behind for centuries, as some people want it directly.
Russian microprocessor "Elbrus-4S" has been tested
But it is necessary to put Glonass-k into orbit, although I do not think that the communications and navigation of our military depends on one glonass, and even with imported stuffing. Put a panic back

[dmitrich]

another duck.

[Nayhas]

The systematic problems arising in the operation of the GLONASS system have interested the Russian Ministry of Defense

Oh my god, our MO is interested in the state of GLONASS only after failures ... And before that it was not interesting?

If the investigation does not reveal the main reasons for the "freezing" of satellites, then this can cause a significant blow to the image of the project

And so this project has an image of hoo ...
The working GLONASS, as air, is necessary for the army, instead of throwing money out on dubious projects, they would already have concentrated their efforts in such an important direction ...

[dimdimich71]

By chance, the department of Serdyukov did not oversee?

[Wheel]

Quote: Nayhas

The working GLONASS, as air, is necessary for the army, instead of throwing money out on dubious projects, they would already have concentrated their efforts in such an important direction ...

Are we going to fight with the Papuans?
Then yes, it is necessary, but not as air, but as a safety net.
In a serious conflict, this system is useless, because it will be destroyed in the first hours.

[patsantre]

Few people have weapons that can destroy satellites. And for the application of the first preventive strike, they will even fit.

[Professor]

Quote: Wheel

In a serious conflict, this system is useless, because it will be destroyed in the first hours.

A "serious conflict" is only a general nuclear catastrophe, and there certainly will not be grass growing.
GLONASS money down the drain, sorry in the vacuum!

[Des10]

Put a plus. Not an article, but solely a solution to technical problems. Good luck to scientists.

[slovak007]

Quote: Des10

Good luck to scientists

To the engineers. Such issues are primarily decided by the developers.

[Bi_Murza]

Definitely amerikosy with ,,, Ki problems create Find the cause and solve the problem

[Bayonet]

Quote: Bi_murza

Definitely amerikosy with ,,, ki create problems

That's for sure ! But insidious s-ki, I slipped yesterday and sat on my ass - I can smell the wind from there !!!

[BYV]

Quote: Bayonet

I slipped yesterday and sat on my ass

Well done, Vasily Alibabaevich

[Little Muck]

The company manufacturing satellites GLONASS say that the investigation into failures in the satellite constellation will be completed this month.
Seek out lords.
Ju-ju is not casual.
The diversion to discredit our project.

[boyar]

Is it possible that this is the machinations of the United States?

[pint45]

The entire elemental base is seamless from China and Malaysia and others, and without our military acceptance in space, should not work according to the definition of the guys from the Pentagon

[Bagor Danilov]

Quite. Two probable reasons: 1) imported components with secretly built-in timers of shutdown or even destruction. 2) Electronic suppression. US military satellites are equipped with similar systems. Similar developments are underway in our country, but the intelligence systems have not gone beyond the Kortik, Bars, and Legend complexes. Maybe in the near future something will be invented here. If only there is enough time and money, but optimism has nowhere to come from, tk. our "effective" managers from science and defense are busy with quite mundane things, such as space.

[slovak007]

Quote: Bagor Danilov

"Dagger", "Bars", "Legend"

Aren't you afraid of the FSB officers?

[Professor]

Quote: Bagor Danilov

Two likely reasons

But simply poor performance, bugs in software, etc. are these incredible reasons?

[SS68SS]

Junk started in Glonass. Well it happens. Let A. Merikos be scared. Suddenly, the rocket launched in Plesetsk not on Kamchatka is ebumnet, but will fly to America ....

[Marine One]

Quote: SS68SS

Suddenly, the rocket launched in Plesetsk not in Kamchatka e_bumknet,

And if she booms on Sakhalin, will you also laugh like an idiot?

[SS68SS]

It certainly won’t get to Sakhalin, it’s small. But do not get into America, it must be managed ....

[Wheel]

Quote: SS68SS

Suddenly, the rocket launched in Plesetsk not in Kamchatka e_bumknet

She will not fly anywhere, except where she needs to.
Satellite guidance is always duplicate.
There is - well, no - not scary.

[slovak007]

Quote: Wheel

A.Merikos will be scared

They won’t be scared, missiles are not aimed at Glonass. There are on-board systems.

[Mikros]

After reporting about failures, I decided for myself. There was an attack on GLONASS (1 failure), further software development and installation, failures are likely (2 failure).

[slovak007]

Maybe you're right. It’s real to get into the communication channel, although it is encrypted, but I think that this is not a problem in our time of market relations. Indirectly, this is confirmed by the facts of laundering large amounts with GLONASS (which, for some reason, subsided over time). In the press I met that the United States has a special unit for this.

[cerbuk6155]

I think that some details from the WEST were delivered to the satellites. It is NECESSARY to find the reason. And I think that we will definitely find it.

[Horly]

Chinese chips rule! How many copies of this have already been broken! Until the microelectronic industry is restored - similar cases will be repeated

[mig31]

The intrigues of "our partners" ......

[demidoff-59]

It’s strange somehow ??? At first everyone disconnected, now it’s eight and all this is in April. The impression is that someone just "knocks them out" !!!!!!!!!!

[sub307]

I would say - an impression that turns into confidence. Something too much for casual overlays. "Star Wars" has not yet been canceled.

[Ross]

Quote: Luzhichanin

Choy, exactly at the height of "separatism", began to flounder.
for a reason, for a reason.
the same phobos-soil slept through the window.

when the USSR was, there was a period when our apparatus suddenly began to fall, for no reason, and then sharply American. so to say exchange of blows.

it’s somehow strange, our missiles with American satellites are falling badly, but if the satellites on board are not American ... and if at all Russian, then the percentage of the losses of the devices is large.

Did our companions under Lviv accidentally jam?

[ZU-23]

We hope for the speedy treatment of the GLONASS satellites, and GPS had glitches.

[Wheel]

Quote: ZU-23

We hope for the speedy treatment of the GLONASS satellites, and GPS had glitches.

Yes, long cured already, do not worry.

[delfinN]

GLONASS we need like air

[Wheel]

Quote: delfinN

GLONASS we need like air

Like air?
Well, you exaggerated it a little.
In fact, this is a good toy, just like the zhps. For domestic and industrial purposes, ale conflicts with the Papuans. In the event of a global mess, this bloat will be put out of action in the first place. Any country that has the ability to launch a satellite to a geostationary can send a "bucket of nails" to the appropriate orbit.
This was recognized far away under the Soviet regime.

[slovak007]

Quote: Wheel

"bucket of nails"

University classics

[Nayhas]

Quote: Wheel

Any country that has the ability to launch a satellite to a geostationary can send a "bucket of nails" to the appropriate orbit.

And that will be? NOTHING. By your logic, in order to beat all the planes, it is enough to launch balls with bombs into the air ...

[Starover_Z]

Quote: cerbuk6155

I think that some details from the WEST were delivered to the satellites. It is NECESSARY to find the reason. And I think that we will definitely find it.

Find more of those who are "interested" in putting Western key elements into our, without exaggeration, strategic orientation system!
And send them into space to "repair" emergency satellites, with parachutes!

[Bayonet]

If you have littered with domestic counterparts - share.

[IGS]

Not good, of course, to laugh at this ...

A Russian official comes to church and says:
- Father, can you ask the Lord to make the Earth flat and stand on three pillars?
- Of course it is possible. But why do you need this?
- Yes, tomorrow a high GLONASS test, but it only works in this mode.

[Barakuda]

There are enough problems in Russian space affairs. The Soviet backlog ends, but purely Russian is still growing. Break through!
And about the glitches of the American group, they report little, for some reason missiles regularly do not get there. And US ICBM launches generally prefer not to ...

[Smiles to you]

At the same time, eight spacecraft failed. For half an hour, these devices produced an error in the satellite position data in space.

It feels like SOMEBODY, probes or conducts tests, in order to suppress the GLONASS Space Group ...

[kelevra]

It seems to me that this is not a matter of technical problems, the American satellites are spies there in space everywhere, it is quite possible that they provoked failures!

[Deadmen]

maybe there are flashes in the sun or some other abnormal phenomena in space? not ?

[Tra-ta-ta]

As we have been taught: often repeating accidents is a regularity ... It’s sad, especially since under GLONASS many civil projects have already been developed, money invested, companies created ...

[okroshka79]

Glonass, not glonass ... (I also mean Bulava, etc.) all these are links in one chain: the collapse of science and industry, a terrible lag in the modern element base. Twenty-three years of vegetation are making themselves felt in almost all areas of our military high-tech. One thing is good, finally, the country's leadership grabbed hold of the defense industry, while our nuclear weapons still somehow ensure the country's security.

[ussr1960]

A terrible lag in the modern base? There is no lag; it is practically absent in the literal sense of the word. For 23 years, the entire electronics industry has been completely killed. What remains today is pathetic crumbs with lost technologies, pro-generation equipment and the lack of qualified experienced personnel. And most importantly, in order to revive this important industry today, injections of billions of dollars are needed with the acquisition of all technological chains and equipment abroad. And not even in China, but in the west. There is no need to talk about specialists; they still need to be raised and trained.

[Igor Gor]

No hysteria) stop squealing :) there are problems, but everything is solved and solved)))

[_my opinion]

no, here are the articles from the site DONE AT US:
Russian microelectronics for space: who produces what - http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/48549/
и
The Russian microprocessor Elbrus-4C has been tested and is ready for mass production http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/48951/

[Bootlegger]

as Stalin said, EVERY ERROR HAS A SURNAME, NAME AND ADDRESS

[dimdimich71]

My opinion was saved - a detail from China failed

[Barakuda]

Or maybe Zhirinovsky's "axis of the planet" is changing?

[kodxnumx]

They wrote that they use European company chips in GLONSS, here’s the answer, we need 100% of our technology, otherwise the kindergarten will be turned off at the wrong time and we will spend blood for forgiveness, although it will not look like it is a surprise to us, we all know that they can so do it!

[Dazdranagon]

What is the set of letters?

[Wheel]

Quote: vo.dum

Here it is depending on someone else’s elemental base ...- it is necessary to make strategic products from your own .... and four times check before launch ... in these cases, the price of error is the death of the country ...

Duc, damn it, where are you going to find yours now, okromya, like at a flea market?

[A1L9E4K9S]

If someone creates and launches satellites would pay for everything out of pocket, they would check everything seven hundred times and they would lick it all out before launching the ships. And so, the state will tolerate, a lot of money, we will still make ships. Russian disorder.

[horoh]

We need purely our elemental base, and no more !!!

[Nitarius]

EVERYTHING MUCH MUCH MORE!
IT IS NECESSARY TO LOOK CAREFULLY ON WHICH BASIS IT IS ASSEMBLED!
THERE are 90% komplektuhi in REA most likely-IMPORT!
and INSERT THERE - FIRMWARE FROM FRIENDS SIMPLY TO STEAMED REPA!
WHAT'S GOING ON - A mess in the defense industry with regards to -NO ONE WILL CHECK REALLY FOR BOOKMARKS!
I CAN SAY WITH ALL SHARE OF CONFIDENCE! FRIENDS are from there!
The mess in RESHETNEVA in this PLAN is complete! and not only in him!
And to be surprised that THEY ARE MALFUNCING ..JUST EMPIRE! SIT IT IS NECESSARY Performers FOR SUCH!

[DanSabaka]

Maybe if someone is shot for this, then GLONAS will start to work better?

[Barakuda]

Quote: kod3001

wrote that in glonss they use chips of European companies here is the answer

By itself, it is impossible to disable any chip, unless the control system. But this requires an electromagnetic pulse, which does not fly in space now.

[slovak007]

No one has yet canceled the Van Allen belt and solar flares, and in the performance characteristics of the REO, the values ​​of resistance can reduce it.

[syntanjey]

X-37B in action! Why do you think the US is this unit? It is clear that to fly up to foreign satellites, install malicious devices there, finally, just break the satellites with a mechanical hand!

[Bayonet]

Quote: syntanjey

just break satellites with a mechanical hand!

And bind an ax to a mechanical arm!

[nika407]

A little off topic, but about the rocket.

Sashko Bely gathered his tribe and speech pushed:
- MAYDANOVS - !!! Are we a great people?
- DAAAAA!
“Then why don't we have a nuclear missile?”
- Nooo ... Let's build.
The healthiest oak was cut down, the core was hollowed out with axes, according to old recipes of scalped Cossacks, they prepared gunpowder, hammered it, nailed a cork, pulled a rope of not fragile size into a wick.
- Where do we run it?
- Of course, to her.
They wrote on the rocket "Nah m o with k a l her triclyaty", the whole tribe crowded near the rocket, set fire to the fuse ... and it is LIKE FUCK # NO! ... In short, the local armageddon: smoke, fumes, everyone is lying around ... Sashko without a leg, without an arm, looks around:
- Nee x # I imagine ... Imagine what is happening with the masquals ...

[kocclissi]

A little off topic, but about rocket fuel:
A man with a hangover calls his sidekick: - Vasya, did we drink beer yesterday? - They drank. - Did you drink vodka? - They drank. - What about cognac? - They drank. - Did you drink rocket fuel? - They drank. “Have you yet to go to the toilet?” - Not!? - Vasya, don’t go, I’m calling from Tokyo!

[Smiles to you]

Smiled, thanks ...

[princess]

The reason you need to look is not with us but with the competitor in the first place, everyone understood everything. If confirmed, then we need a response, impunity will completely cloud their brain.

[nomad74]

Quote: ussr1960

And most importantly, in order to revive this important industry today, injections of billions of dollars are needed with the acquisition of all technological chains and equipment abroad. And not even in China, but in the west. There is no need to talk about specialists; they still need to be raised and trained.

They do not want us to sell either technology or precision equipment, so you need to start from scratch!

[Mareman Vasilich]

Well, all this is not casual, I hope ours will fix and strengthen the devices.

[Navy7981]

shoot two - three and everything will work out by itself

[Barakuda]

Start with Serdyukov!

[alone]

And on what basis .. he’s negligent. They don’t shoot him. For this amnesty relies

[alone]

Quote: Navy7981

shoot two - three and everything will work out by itself

I think you can’t solve the problem with two or three! and out of habit they either shoot uncle Nikanor or a soldering aunt Aunt Nastya. As they say, those who are anointed with the same blood do not shoot, and do not even plant.

[plotnikov561956]

Give each refusal the Name and Surname ... according to the merits, the article and the deadline ... and the devices will begin to work normally. It’s time to finish with horizontal movement ..or up, if you earned or to the fullest to the bottom so that the position does not seem like a paradise, but really was a responsible place ... From the word ... ANSWER ... !!!

[Igor Gor]

Guys) and the elemental base and all related support, whose ???

[Sergey-ADE2]

I read all the comments complete nonsense. I am indirectly associated with ISS. What and why I will not disclose. I will only say one thing about Malaysia and China. And people, if you don’t know, don’t break rubbish. The failure is serious and from where it is already known, the rest is from official sources.

[syntanjey]

What about sabotage with the X-37B?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Sergey-ADE2

Malaysia and China are not there.

July 23, 2012 GLONASS satellites lost their orientation. Two navigation spacecraft failed equipment. The alleged cause is a defect in a domestic microcircuit that could not withstand the effects of solar radiation.
defect of the DOMESTIC chip and no China or the treacherous West!

[Igor Gor]

Therefore, the investigation must be carried out under the supervision of the relevant authorities, which will not allow the liberal "projects" to be smeared over and brought to mind. As did Beria's air defense.

[alex47russ]

Definitely !!! Something like ... I stole 90% of the budget !!! Hence the problems !!!

[Barakuda]

Quote: syntanjey

What about sabotage with the X-37B?

Yes, nonsense, they still can't bring it to mind. He was somehow associated with forest fires, heat, terrible natural anomalies along with HAARP. Although there were enough such "jokes" even during the Soviet era. Take the same over-the-horizon radar "Chernobyl 2" - Russian Woodpecker. Not quite she worked on the "topic".

[saag]

the software was updated, the crooked firmware turned out to be :-)

[Zubr]

Quote: saag

Earlier in early April, all spacecraft failed by more than 10 hours. Reported by

I don’t see anything strange in this. Most likely the software is raw.

[andrei72]

Quote: ussr1960

A terrible lag in the modern base? There is no lag; it is practically absent in the literal sense of the word. For 23 years, the entire electronics industry has been completely killed. What remains today is pathetic crumbs with lost technologies, pro-generation equipment and the lack of qualified experienced personnel. And most importantly, in order to revive this important industry today, injections of billions of dollars are needed with the acquisition of all technological chains and equipment abroad. And not even in China, but in the west. There is no need to talk about specialists; they still need to be raised and trained.

Everything is restored, although not quickly. Well, our entire military budget is much smaller than in the United States, although the lag in electronics at only 10 years is not so much (a lower level was enough for our Strategic Rocket Forces).

[andrei72]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: Sergey-ADE2

Malaysia and China are not there.

July 23, 2012 GLONASS satellites lost their orientation. Two navigation spacecraft failed equipment. The alleged cause is a defect in a domestic microcircuit that could not withstand the effects of solar radiation.
defect of the DOMESTIC chip and no China or the treacherous West!

I know a little about the selection of electronic components for space ... I believe that "the effect of solar radiation", in this case, is not the main reason why protected electronics fail. Most likely - this is the "IMPLIED" reason, but not the main one ...

[da Vinci]

There was once a well-known satrik M. Zhvanetsky (now there is only a man named M. Zhvanetsky) - he had this expression "can something fix in the conservatory?" I think it fits.