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Another look. MiG-29 and Su-27 in the service of Bandera

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Another look. MiG-29 and Su-27 in the service of Bandera


You can look at the Ukrainian situation from a different angle and even nontrivially. Someone sees that the national democrats came to power, who want to reform and integrate Ukraine into the European Union. And someone sees and claims that the Nazis came to power - just like in Germany 30-s. Personally, I think, and it is without any bills, that the farmer-peasant nationalist ideology won in Ukraine. This is not a high-tech Germany 30-ies, it came to power forces that consider it normal to arrange a vegetable garden and a pigsty in the center of Kiev on the square.

I don’t get out of my head shots where fighters on a low-level flight rush over Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, Lugansk and Donetsk. Did Mikoyan and Pavel Sukhoi know that Bandera, who were running through the forests of Western Ukraine, already at the beginning of the 21 century, without even mastering their technique, since it is too complicated for them, would intimidate the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine with their planes? Every year I am convinced that the entire Ukrainian statehood, the institutions of the state and the industrial potential rests solely on both "svidomyh" Russian-speaking Ukrainians, and simply Russian-speaking ones. And I have a question: how long will this go on? When and how soon will the split disappear among Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine? After all, without it, the Mi-24 would never have covered the Right Sector on the ground. And Western Ukraine would again be on the outskirts of big politics.

As pilots of fighter and tactical aircraft aviation The Ukraine, which was trained, if not ethnic Russians, then precisely by the Russian-speaking instructors of the USSR in Lipetsk, can defend the ideals of the pigsty on the Maidan, and not the ideals of "sky and space" that were presented to them by the great Russian-speaking civilization in the form of the Soviet system, which continues to partially exist in the framework of cooperation and cooperation with the Russian World ?! For those in tank, I am now paraphrasing the question a bit: why, rejecting the Soviet and Russian history, and with it its technological advances, the Ukrainian military use "sovkovaya" technology in the suppression of the Russian "vatnikov" in the east of Ukraine? Is it not contrary to their worldview? Or are they simply intimidated? Maybe Kolomoisky pays a lot of money?

The natives of western Ukraine are good builders and gardeners. And these are deeply religious people, sometimes even dogmatists. But they are characterized by pragmatism and materialism. Why dogmatists? Zapadentsy very sacred honor every religious holiday and canons. For example, on Easter night, they do not turn off the light in the yard at night. I was told: this is necessary, such a tradition! Details are not explained. Maybe I had to ask someone else, who knows ?! Or they do not know? What is the essence of materialism? They constantly love to buy new things and objects before Christian holidays, as well as to make repairs. Nothing like that, you say? But it looks like a socialist competition with a neighbor, starting from curtains and rugs, ending with ornaments on houses and fences. Here "standard" is considered to have a two-story house. The one who has one-storey, apparently, works on the territory of Ukraine, and does not go to Europe to earn money. Hence the local illusion: they say, you can live without the industry of Ukraine, because a package from Italy or a money transfer from Poland solves 80% of financial problems. True, I do not know if they are thinking about who finances schools, hospitals, benefits and pensions? As well as kindergartens and roads? And do they know that, together with Europe, compulsory medical insurance, environmental taxes and simply high prices can come to Ukraine? But back to the Su-27 and the MiG-29.

It so happened that the territory of Eastern and partly Central Ukraine was also subjected to industrialization in Tsarist Russia. But advanced Europe in the face of the Austrians, Poles and Romanians did not hurry to build factories and enterprises. And only with the entry of Western Ukraine into the USSR did medium-sized enterprises begin to appear there, since before them there was nothing at all, including the infrastructure.



From here I have a desire to argue with the pilots and engineers of Ukraine, who "fell in love" with Ukraine to fanaticism and brain bones, namely when they in their native language (and this is often in Russian) defend the thesis that the UPA had a moral right oppose the USSR, which since 1939 has broken the traditional way of life of the Westerners! As we understand it, it is to keep vegetable gardens and maintain subsistence farming. After all, defending the ideology and way of life of western Ukraine, which is the standard for today's Ukraine, you (Russian-speaking Ukrainians) become supporters of the unconscious deindustrialization of Ukraine. I have already written in past publications, and I want to quote:

"Someone from the readers of the Military Review website has met at least one active, I emphasize, active Ukrainian-language website, where there is a lively discussion and debate in the Ukrainian language, about pulsating engines, about the hypersonic direction, about the prospects of flying to Mars and criticizing the scientific world for its delay in near space? Maybe there is a Ternopil site somewhere, where they actively and in disputes discuss the problem of Ukraine’s unavailability for the sixth technological order? Maybe in Lviv there are young Ukrainian patriots who dream not only of the torch How about the march through the streets, but also about sitting in the seat of the Su-27 fighter? If you don’t like the Moskal interceptor, then at least dream about F-16? Are there any Ukrainian-speaking ufologists in nature? Why are all designers of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex design bureau? at exhibitions weapons communicate in occupational Russian, when they give interviews to their Ukrainian TV channels? "


You can not create missiles and airplanes, if all school education is permeated with suffering for Ukraine, which was never allowed to grow bread and keep cattle. All the works of Ukrainian writers are associated with land, arable land, Polish panas and Muscovites. Constant self-flagellation. In Ukraine, 1000 conferences about the Holodomor and units - about rocket and aircraft engines.

And I would like to turn to the instructor pilots, veterans from Russia. Can you use nonlinear connections, so to speak? In other words, friendly and fraternal. Refer to the pilots of Mi-24, Su-25, Su-27 and MiG-29 Air Force of Ukraine. Tell them not to fly over the heads of Russian-speaking people, who not only made these products, but also developed tactics for using them in battle? Of course, it was not the residents of Donetsk who made and allowed Su-27 a series, but the community and civilization to which they identify and identify themselves. After all, every pilot has black and white photo albums with instructors, and all the tracks lead to Soviet Russia, and if not to Lipetsk and Torzhok, then at least to their branches. There are also archives of air academies. After all, it is possible to approach the gingerbread by inviting them to switch to service in the Russian Air Force, where there are new airplanes, more flying, and better material support. And you can remember about the whip, where you can directly hint that Su-35 may be on the tail if they do not stop flying over the heads of Russian and Russian-speaking Orthodox.

Let the real Ukrainians from Galicia be consistent. Do not hide behind the backs of Russian-speaking Ukrainian pilots! If you know how to build a beautiful hut, then you should put the trowel with the solution aside and build a fighter or bomber, and not just shout: "Glory to the nation!", "Death to enemies!" Or, at worst, transfer to a used F-16. Expensive? Then on older models like F-4. And then you will have the full moral right to fly over the heads of the Russians in the east of Ukraine, demonstrating the fact that you belong to another technological civilization - the western one! Do not even have to apply the stripes and marks differences.

I appeal to all Russian-speaking Ukrainians, especially engineers and pilots (I find it hard to imagine Gritska from Ternopil in the Su-27 cockpit). This is the kind of peace we would build together with the Russian World, but you chose the farmer’s territory:

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  1. Zelen
    Zelen April 21 2014 08: 25
    +7
    Cool Trailer)))
    1. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 April 21 2014 08: 36
      +24
      This is not just a trailer, but our dreams, our future. I hope together with eastern Ukraine. And because they fly and frighten People’s bosoms, there is no special skill here, like honor.
      1. andj61
        andj61 April 21 2014 09: 22
        +6
        With all of Ukraine, but without Galicia! This is our Russian World!
    2. mnbv199
      mnbv199 April 21 2014 09: 34
      +12
      Well, something like this...
  2. mirag2
    mirag2 April 21 2014 08: 28
    +19
    In the year 91, they entered the USSR without listening to the GKChP, and there were reasonable people ....
    So in Ukraine there are reasonable people too, but there are fewer of them than stupid people (as everywhere else).
  3. mamont5
    mamont5 April 21 2014 08: 28
    +8
    "And do they know that together with Europe, compulsory health insurance, environmental taxes and simply high prices can come to Ukraine?"

    They just see a beautiful glossy picture of the facade of Europe and believe that this is the essence of European life. Solid holiday and freebie. They don’t think that behind any facade there are utility rooms, but in order to simply renovate the facade, you also need to work and work in your own country, and not work somewhere else.
    1. common man
      common man April 21 2014 08: 56
      +4
      Quote: mamont5
      They don’t think that behind any facade there is utility rooms,

      I do not agree. as they do not see them there, they work there. Just can not do anything else? And it suits them.
      And what about the flights of the SU-27 over the cities. As far as I know, SU-27s cannot effectively "work" on the ground. If not right, correct. If you are right, explain why all this show off 7 The last kerosene to burn?
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 April 21 2014 09: 44
        +6
        As an interceptor, of course, it cannot. And as an attack aircraft, with the appropriate weapons - very much so! But it makes no sense to work out for single goals (mobile groups of 2-3 people, a roadblock, etc.) - this is, first of all, too expensive (sorry for the sacrilegious sound!). And about the show off - most likely, they simply have nothing to work with: weapons with a gulkin nose, you need to save! Because they put pressure on the psyche ..
      2. Nevsky_ZU
        April 21 2014 10: 32
        +13
        I do not agree. as they do not see them there, they work there. Just can not do anything else? And it suits them.


        Work and live there, two big differences. Many in the West are shocked when they find out that their plumber, in Ukraine, has a two-story house, and they have a good, sound house, but one-story and rented or on credit. They (Europeans) pay a bunch of taxes, fees, pay 2-3 type of insurance, and some kind of local voluntary-compulsory fund, and their plumber upon arrival in Western Ukraine, can pay a maximum of a small% when transferring funds.

        Western Ukraine:
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv April 21 2014 16: 52
          +2
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Many in the West are shocked when they find out that their plumber in Ukraine has a two-story house, and they have a good solid house, but one-story and rented or on credit.

          Vyacheslav, to the very point.

          Western Ukraine is very different from Central and Eastern in everything:
          - Spirit
          - Life style,
          - Values? Hard to say.

          For a zapadents, life is:
          - Build a candy house at home in Ukraine,
          и
          - Work somewhere else, in a rich country.

          And in this they are similar to many in Poland and the Czech Republic, especially in Poland:
          - beautiful houses
          - plow guest workers
          Where do they work? Everywhere: Germany, Norway, Italy, even in Portugal there.

          For example: go to some fish cutting factory in Norway and bark something in Polish or Ukrainian and see how many workers will turn on you ...
          wink

          I do not criticize. just ... zapadentsev's lifestyle is completely different.
          I was amazed when I ran into this.
          request
        2. APASUS
          APASUS April 21 2014 22: 05
          +2
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Western Ukraine:

          What is this bullshit?
          This is where they live in the west?
          otherwise I didn’t live like that and my neighbors don’t live like that either. Poverty total.
          Houses have grown into windows through the ground. According to official figures, out of 596 houses in the village 175 are empty, I really think more.
          And here is the house, so it will pull 50 thousand euros off. Where does the villagers get money ??? Working in Europe as a plumber you won’t earn such money. I work myself periodically.
          If this is the official’s house?
          Moreover, the house is not built in the national style, the house does not have a garage.
    2. Evgeniy-111
      Evgeniy-111 April 21 2014 09: 29
      +6
      That’s why, the sooner they enter Europe, the sooner they will understand how much!
  4. another RUSICH
    another RUSICH April 21 2014 08: 30
    +27
    What I constantly say: Ukraine is not a state but a Soviet collective farm. The peasants live by the principle of hitting not ours, milkmaids in public refuse to "not give" to the city. On the collective farm, machinery rusts, dirty cows are waiting to be milked, but on the collective farm the party meeting is not busy. The machine operators are drinking the last piston from the Belarus tractor. Fine. Life is moving
  5. svp67
    svp67 April 21 2014 08: 31
    +12
    A good, strong and emotional article ...
    But, to answer this question:
    For those in the tank, now I will rephrase the question a little: why, rejecting Soviet and Russian history, and with it its technological achievements, the Ukrainian military use "soviet" equipment to suppress Russian "quilted jackets" in eastern Ukraine?

    You just need to carefully examine the entire "post-Soviet history of Ukraine" and, in particular, admit that Russia is also to blame for the situation that has now developed in Ukraine. We, with our NOT ATTENTION to the policy of protecting the Russian-speaking in general and the Russian population abroad in particular, gave birth to it ... We urgently need to restructure our policy in this matter. Take such a question as higher education ... Specially I climbed through the directory of universities in Ukraine, the branches of our universities were most concentrated in the Crimea - we now see the result, and South-East and Central Ukraine, they did not reach us before, why were they left without attention? "A holy place is never empty"
    1. W1950
      W1950 April 21 2014 08: 51
      +10
      Remember the referendum in Ukraine, after which Ukraine said, we ourselves do not need Russia’s whiskers and tips, especially since Ukraine decided to go to Europe and sent all the signals to Russia on strass. In fact, Ukraine got the fattest piece of the USSR and they thought that you can already just rest on your laurels, but as you can see everything has broken off and only after that insight began to come. Here is the question of which part of the population?
      Kherson is silent, Nikolaev spoke a little and silence, Kharkiv also did not understand. Everyone took a wait-and-see attitude or sold out to the oligarchs.
      1. Grbear
        Grbear April 21 2014 11: 25
        0
        farmer-peasant nationalist ideology won in Ukraine.
        , i.e. may not be sold to anyone, BUT: "it's not me - it's them", "I won't eat it, I'll bite it" and "my house is on the edge - mabud won't catch" - it is hammered into the subcortex and is knocked out only by shocks on the verge of life and death.

        Because they are silent, that the region is not only industry (with the same personnel shortages as ours), but also a farm economy, when there is no hope for the state.

        And there is no need to shoot down planes. If they do not break during the "operation", then pull - to show that there are such things, then the "flyers" will break them themselves.
  6. Signaller
    Signaller April 21 2014 08: 33
    +9
    It seems to me that the infection of nationalism and pilots can infect. So everything in life is possible. There is only one insurance against this, as I think. COMPLEX NEEDLE AND ITS APPLICATION. Self-defense has them. A couple of Sushki and forget how to forte fortel heads of civilians. There is only one remedy against scrap - the same scrap.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 21 2014 09: 16
      +7
      Quote: Signaller
      It seems to me that the infection of nationalism and pilots can infect.
      Infected infected ... There, all reductions in the army were reduced to natural cleansing, while the "main issue" was the readiness of the military to fight with Russia ... and for 23 years, it was directly driven in - "Russia is an ENEMY, she just dreams of enslaving the hard-working and peaceful Nenko Ukraine "... 23 years old, this is already a generation ...
  7. W1950
    W1950 April 21 2014 08: 34
    +10
    I doubt that banderlogs at this stage can understand anything. It’s like a carried horse, when it’s easier to shoot than to stop it.
    1. myflower
      myflower April 22 2014 16: 07
      +1
      It is useless for them to explain anything, they just hate Russia, and after Euromaidan - fiercely.
  8. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov April 21 2014 08: 34
    +4
    As for the sites, I haven’t met! Although Ukrainian-speaking sites in Ukraine are a bit dull! And the fact that they use aviation against the Southeast is easy to find 5-10 thugs of pilots! Especially families in garrisons, in fact hostages!
  9. drop
    drop April 21 2014 08: 38
    +5
    Sergey, you are right. Having laid a pipe through Ukraine and letting a bunch of loafers, thieves and criminals get rich, everyone forgot about the fraternal people. I am sorry that I have invested so much strength, experience and skill in the development of Ukraine. I have the honor.
  10. tundra
    tundra April 21 2014 08: 39
    +4
    He put a plus but but the article was empty. Brains, after all, had gritsko atrophied for a long time. But the southeast is really inert, used to (and this is good) before you think about something. Not that the Zapadentsi their leader comes forward and runs with a cry of lard, lard, and these sheep follow him in any direction, in anticipation of a freebie
  11. Duelist
    Duelist April 21 2014 08: 39
    +5
    In connection with a unilateral violation of the Geneva agreements, to declare an unmanned zone over the territory of Ukraine and to bring down those who want to frighten the people of the southeast.
    1. IgorM
      IgorM April 21 2014 20: 45
      0
      But the unmanned zone - great! And take responsibility for a clear sky. This should be liked by the West - Democracy, like the Americans.
  12. Good cat
    Good cat April 21 2014 08: 43
    +5
    At one time, they found those who wanted to shoot from government tanks at the government buildings.
    1. oblako
      oblako April 21 2014 10: 50
      +5
      Yes, anyone can be brainwashed. State structures need to understand where and in what ways the war is being waged against Russia and our way of life. In fact, after all, the Ukrainians are once again fighting not for freedom, but for who to depend on this time ... Not to put things in order in themselves, but to "let Dunka into Europe" and Europe will restore order ... Naivety of course , but for the driving force of the Maidan, quite edible ideological swill. Lesson for the future. All allies should be involved in business, in business, in the educational and information field, then this will not happen again.
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  13. sergey72
    sergey72 April 21 2014 08: 43
    +6
    Does the author know that the Russians and Ukrainians have already fought against each other? Georgia, Karabakh, Eritrea .....
    1. myflower
      myflower April 22 2014 16: 11
      0
      Even in Chechnya, the Ukrainian Nazis fought against the Russians.
  14. jekasimf
    jekasimf April 21 2014 08: 44
    +8
    I have, like an acquaintance, whom I considered to be a friend. So he is a former military technician, an officer, on, just such planes. Originally from the USSR ... And what do you think. He became a member of the Freedom Party. And during the recent Crimean events he called me a policeman. and so forth. There is something else. Although they are Russian-speaking, they absorb hatred of M-o-scalps with their mother's milk. Or, in general, at the gene level. I am more and more convinced of the correctness of the saying "genes cannot be crushed with a finger."
    1. jekasimf
      jekasimf April 21 2014 08: 49
      +8
      What the hell? You can’t write the word, do not change the flag (country) ??? !!! Au. Admins. Crimea is no longer Ukrainian.
    2. myflower
      myflower April 22 2014 16: 20
      0
      Just Russophobes are precisely the anti-Soviet. And after Euromaidan and reading critical Russian comments, they began to despise and hate us even more. Such people want Ukraine to join NATO and their missiles were sent in our direction. They are offended and angry at Russia.
  15. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 21 2014 08: 47
    +3
    For this it is necessary to thank the flamboyant lads Khrushchev, Brezhnev. They cared for fellow countrymen as best they could. Powerful Ukrainian lobby in the Politburo and in the army. Of the two equivalent candidates for nomination, the advantage is always for the Ukrainian. Or for some it was a secret. I personally knew the commander of the sabotage unit in 91 equipment withdrawal that came under the contract.
  16. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 21 2014 08: 49
    +2
    On these fighters, you need to draw the symbolism of the US Air Force, this will be closer to the truth, and the pilots should be sent excerpts from the Criminal Code of treason to the Homeland.
  17. Committee
    Committee April 21 2014 08: 50
    +2
    Yes, bring them down and that's it! Needles probably not transferred?
  18. nstarinsky
    nstarinsky April 21 2014 08: 51
    +19
    Those who dreamed about flights to Mars, about new technologies and new physical theories - they all left western Ukraine either by moving to Russia, or even from there - in all directions. That is, "to the West." My friends, my classmates from Russian-language schools in Lviv now live all over the world. My last visit to Lviv, about 10 years ago, opened for me a city that I could no longer recognize. By freeing their brains from science, this exodus opened the gate for religious fanaticism, even if in its "quiet" form. Industrial research institutes of mechanical engineering either simply do not exist, or are doing what it is a shame to talk about at international conferences. The war of confessions and terry anti-simetism have replaced the fairly decent science that once existed there under the USSR. Science and industry, like a pyramid, have a broad base of basic education, on which the peak of great achievements can rise. Today it has been replaced by the correspondence of history and the search for odious "historical heroes." A great country cannot be built on hatred of others. On this, the crops of the Pravosek people sprout by themselves. Only by adopting and respecting the experience of others, it is possible to build new aircraft, unique machines and write novels that will be translated into the languages ​​of the world. Only a vegetable garden on the Maidans can grow on nationalism.
  19. marder4
    marder4 April 21 2014 09: 00
    +2
    but how can they not fly? surely they are faced with a choice - either fly, or kirdyk your family ...
    1. Duelist
      Duelist April 21 2014 09: 09
      0
      Retire as a citizen, because swore allegiance to the people of Ukraine .... Such cases are full. And after the announcement of the unmanned zone (it would be necessary), those who wish will not be.
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    3. myflower
      myflower April 22 2014 16: 22
      0
      Fly away with your family in the Crimea.
  20. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 21 2014 09: 01
    +2
    Fly - don't shoot. There are no special reasons to consider the remaining Ukrainian units more loyal than the Crimean ones.
  21. Bootlegger
    Bootlegger April 21 2014 09: 07
    +4
    zapadentsi fought against the Serbs in the ranks of Ustashi (Croatian fascists) in the ranks of Muslim gangs in Bosnia. wherever it was possible they fought against Orthodox people. as one old Serb from Bosnia said when I told who the Zapadentsi-Brothers PA TO TI YE YANICHARA KATOLICHKI think. do not
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  23. mig31
    mig31 April 21 2014 09: 13
    +1
    It's time to think about peace enforcement ...
    1. myflower
      myflower April 22 2014 16: 24
      0
      Yeah, and then Russophobes will show us military aggression and attack on Ukraine, as on Georgia. To all other insults, occupation will also be added.
  24. bulvas
    bulvas April 21 2014 09: 14
    +1
    They are protesting mainly in the Donetsk region - miners, less - in Lugansk

    More "intellectual" regions (Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye and others, are practically silent)

    What is this?
    Inability of the intelligentsia to assert their rights or unwillingness? What is going on in these areas?
    1. Krsk
      Krsk April 21 2014 09: 28
      +2
      Quote: bulvas
      Inability of the intelligentsia to assert their rights or unwillingness?


      in my opinion, this is the usual "blue-blooded" cowardice, called tolerance ...
  25. demo
    demo April 21 2014 09: 20
    0
    The correct, and most important, article imbued with mental suffering. To the author plus.
  26. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya April 21 2014 09: 21
    +4
    It doesn’t matter who you are Russian or Ukrainian, but speaking out against your people, and even on modern aircraft and helicopters, is mean and criminal. The self-defense of the Donetsk Republic urgently needs to publish all the data on the Internet with the permission of the pilots, because the addresses and phone numbers of the junta leaders published! Homeland must know its antiheroes!
    1. Anper
      Anper April 21 2014 11: 34
      0
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Homeland must know its antiheroes!

      It is necessary to publish the addresses and phone numbers of all the chief editors and everything else on Ukrainian TV, including the operators and Savik Shusterov. And one by one, grind the brains so that no one sees, otherwise the cards will be in their hands. And bring mourning wreaths, dead cats, domestic dogs to the front doors, break their paws, send sms, smear the doors with ketchup, as they did with the families of Berkut.
  27. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever April 21 2014 09: 25
    +3
    "farm-peasant nationalist ideology" in the "bull's eye".
  28. thinking
    thinking April 21 2014 09: 28
    +11
    Flying over Donetsk have a psychological effect on the population? Do not make me laugh! It’s even fun for us. RESPECT.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 21 2014 09: 44
      +3
      Quote: thinking
      RESPECT.

      good
      That's right, even in the most unhappy situation, you need to maintain a sense of healthy humor ...
  29. andko5
    andko5 April 21 2014 09: 30
    +4
    I agree with the author for all 100. I made the same observations when I entered the service near Lvov at 89 (after 2,5 years of service in Afghanistan). I was surprised by the wild ignorance of people, even within the framework of a simple school curriculum), again, by the wild blinkeredness of Catholic religious slur. But the local population easily rose to the "cursed to her", it was worth throwing the slogan: "Who has killed my meat?" It turned out that there is someone to point out those who are "ziv".
  30. spech
    spech April 21 2014 09: 34
    +1
    Do Ukrainian-speaking ufologists exist in nature?

    There’s a lot of them on the censor (they see what is not)
  31. goose2
    goose2 April 21 2014 09: 41
    +1
    Remember the video clip Belbek airfield. Shouting out of order of the pilots "America is behind us." Of course, not everyone in Ukraine thinks so. There are those who still hesitate. But the main thing is not that families are in garrisons, but that apart from nationalist propaganda they hear nothing and believe that the Yankees are a friend and protector and we are invaders. I'd like to think that such people are a minority. That there are pilots who doubt and will sabotage or send a commander to ...
    Therefore, a split in Ukraine is obvious, at least while the media are in the hands of these clowns.
  32. high
    high April 21 2014 09: 42
    .
    ,, Someone sees that the National Democrats have come to power who want to carry out reforms and integrate Ukraine into the European Union. ,,
    Ukraine sees that rich Russia occupies a place in the world for life expectancy 134, next to the poorest countries of the world, people live on 15-20 less years than in the US, the leading countries of Europe .... A. Konchalovsky repeatedly wrote about this .. .
    Therefore, Ukraine is drawn to Europe ..... where 8-12% of GDP is spent on Medicine, and not 3% ... as in Russia ... therefore Plushenko goes to treat the spine in Israel, and the skier, who is at the Olympics in Sochi injured the spine was sent to Germany and not to Moscow ..... Ukraine wants to live ....
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin April 21 2014 09: 54
      +9
      where 8-12% of GDP is spent on medicine, and not 3% ..., as in Russia ..

      come true ... after the New Year, my friendship was on a business trip to Tel Aviv, spent the whole day at the conference, when he returned to the hotel he became ill. An ambulance was called and taken to the hospital. After an express examination, it turned out that everything was fine with him ... and the service meter was slipped neatly by about 17 thousand rubles ... this is what I understand the social state !!! All for the people !!! Hence the costs relative to GDP for medicine are high !!!
      1. Kus Imak
        Kus Imak April 21 2014 12: 59
        0
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        where 8-12% of GDP is spent on medicine, and not 3% ..., as in Russia ..

        come true ... after the New Year, my friendship was on a business trip to Tel Aviv, spent the whole day at the conference, when he returned to the hotel he became ill. An ambulance was called and taken to the hospital. After an express examination, it turned out that everything was fine with him ... and the service meter was slipped neatly by about 17 thousand rubles ... this is what I understand the social state !!! All for the people !!! Hence the costs relative to GDP for medicine are high !!!


        All is correct. The day of hospitalization costs so much in Israel. And for payment there is honey. insurance.
    2. bulvas
      bulvas April 21 2014 09: 59
      +2
      Quote: alta
      Therefore, Ukraine stretches to Europe ....., where 8-12% of GDP is spent on Medicine ..


      Nobody argues, only you first need to earn this money, and in this Europe is not an assistant
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        April 21 2014 10: 10
        +5
        Quote: bulvas
        Quote: alta
        Therefore, Ukraine stretches to Europe ....., where 8-12% of GDP is spent on Medicine ..


        Nobody argues, only you first need to earn this money, and in this Europe is not an assistant


        In order to earn them, you need to have signs of an established state, and not just the criteria of the state from the point of view of the theory of state and law, namely: territory, money, taxes, language, customs, etc.

        I hope there is no need to explain the difference between the concept of "signs of an established state" and simply "signs of a state" !?
    3. Nevsky_ZU
      April 21 2014 10: 05
      +11
      Ukraine sees that rich Russia occupies a place in the world for life expectancy 134, next to the poorest countries of the world, people live on 15-20 less years than in the US, the leading countries of Europe .... A. Konchalovsky repeatedly wrote about this .. .


      Real Russians do not measure happiness with their stomach and consumption.

      Therefore, Ukraine is stretching to Europe ....., where 8-12% of GDP is spent on Medicine, not 3% ..., as in Russia


      You want to say that medicine is better in Romania and Bulgaria than in Belarus and Russia? It is not correct to cite as an example medical tourism on the example of stars and athletes. In the USSR, medicine was at a decent, and most importantly at an affordable level.

      You probably, if you had the opportunity, would you give Kolomoisky my head? Materialism and consumption taxis! Every word and letter in your post is imbued with the spirit of consumption and comparison with the wealth of other countries. And we are Russian, others!
  33. mabuta
    mabuta April 21 2014 09: 47
    +7
    General blindness and rejection of the thought process, a feature not only of zapadentsev. We also have enough. Here is one of them. One cliche.
  34. No war
    No war April 21 2014 10: 01
    -1
    People!!! I am shocked by your anti-Semitic harsh statements. And are you talking about fascism in Ukraine? Why don't you ask the Ukrainians if they needed to be protected like that? Why none of you writes that Ukraine got rid of the president-thief who does not know the sense of proportion? I don’t know if the feeling of shame for the first person of the state is familiar to you, we are familiar !!! Yes, the new government has no authority, no well-coordinated team. Yes, I don't know what our future will be. But when our soldiers are held hostage yours, when the president allows himself to lie and at the same time speak to the whole world that "there is no country, there is no treaty", forgetting that there are people living on this territory who believed him and thought that we -friendly countries, what should Ukrainians think? I don’t know why they had to push our heads together, but there are no Ukrainian tanks "with good intentions" on your land. I can never convince you. We have a different information space. But I want your president's speech yesterday to make you think and at least doubt something. I wish you and us a bright future. Stay human!


    So the majority of residents of Ukraine believes. Let us read and hear them, Ukrainians, if we really consider ourselves their brothers and sisters!
    1. ale-x
      ale-x April 21 2014 10: 15
      0
      So put things in order there. Not the fascist "Ordnung", but the order that you, I am convinced, deserve by right. Weak?
      By the way, how to contact you? Felfebel or a first-class sailor?
      1. ale-x
        ale-x April 21 2014 10: 18
        +1
        Where did the troll go7
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      April 21 2014 10: 19
      +4
      People!!! I am shocked by your anti-Semitic harsh statements


      Where did you see anti-Semitism?

      Why none of you writes that Ukraine got rid of the president-thief who does not know the sense of proportion?


      It's great. I am for it! But not under the banner of Bandera and a vector in the direction of Europe and the decline of the status of the Russian language.

      We have a different information space


      Yanukovych disgusts me, but what is the fucking power of the new government that put the oligarchs governors? For it killed a hundred on the Maidan? To do this, do not even need to belong to another information space.

      This is what most people in Ukraine think.


      When they hold a referendum on this issue (a simple democratic procedure), namely, which is better, the CU or the EU, I agree with you. In the meantime, I hear threats and publications that Ukraine needs to take away the right to vote from people older than 55 years, because they have Sov worldview!

      Let us read and hear them, Ukrainians, if we really consider ourselves their brothers and sisters!


      This is a girl from Kiev in the video below, she does not agree with you, she started a war on the Internet, where everyone proves to each other that we are really not brothers or brothers. Ingenious information operation. As a result, in Russia on her verse, there are not only verses that refute her words, but also vice versa, where people respond negatively to her, in the style: "Yes, we are not your brothers ..."

      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 April 21 2014 12: 25
        +8
        That's right, we will never be brothers with Banderka, Shlyukhevych and other d.ed.s.m.s. from Western Ukraine am

        The answer to the Nazis

        The Nazis will not be brothers to us
        Neither in the Homeland, nor in the mother!
        You have no spirit to be free -
        We will not even become consolidated with you.

        Your horror movies are not scary for us
        We are with the stars, you are with the swastika!
        Maydanut you faceless.
        It is we, not you, who are great.

        From inferiority and dullness
        You have done so many nonsense!
        And you shot at your back
        How to call you? Perhaps pigs?

        Yarosh, Bily and other bastard
        You Europe brain confused.
        On the Maidan they watered potions.
        You burned your "Berkut" with "cocktails"!

        You are with your bastard Bandera,
        Well - with the holy Fatherland and faith!
        You whine without knowing
        You are with war, and we are with victory!

        Tearing from the West you horde
        But our business is right!
        If now with regards to Russians -
        That we never give up.

        Your Rada is egg-headed
        Not the last, and not new.
        Steals everything to the last,
        Leave the poor poor!

        How wrong were you with the right sector
        Ordinary and vector.
        Shed blood - wash yourselves,
        Then you will not hide from reckoning.

        You who raised the country to the knives
        The words of reason not understood!
        Run - help!
        God will not repay without our help!

        You have no spirit to be free -
        We will not even become consolidated with you.
        The Nazis will not be brothers to us
        Neither in the Homeland, nor in the mother!

        Ilya Kulev

        Ust-Kamenogorsk,
        The Republic of Kazakhstan
        1. old man
          old man April 21 2014 13: 07
          +1
          YOUNG RIGHT WORDS +
  35. saag
    saag April 21 2014 10: 08
    +1
    Quote: No war
    And are you talking about fascism in Ukraine?

    Is he not there?
  36. SNG
    SNG April 21 2014 10: 21
    +5
    Should Ukrainians be protected? A working and earning southeast is needed, a subsidized west is not.
  37. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 21 2014 10: 23
    +1
    It all depends on what is in the person’s head. If he admits that it is possible to fly and scare civilians with his appearance, then the time is not far off when it will be possible to throw a bomb on their head. God be their judge. And our task in that case is to provide a no-fly zone in this region.
  38. crambol
    crambol April 21 2014 10: 24
    +1
    Quote: alta
    Ukraine wants to live ....

    He wants to live. She doesn’t want to think, it seems that there is nothing.
  39. grog_bm
    grog_bm April 21 2014 10: 32
    +1
    Guys, I don’t understand why we spend so much time on Galicia and other pro-fascist organizations ??? Let them live and rejoice that they are not Russians, but U_K_R_Y !!! And the fact that they fly on USSR planes, ride Soviet tanks, shoot from AK-47, AKM (machine guns if you don’t know the USSR))) the army is certainly funny, but the author is right, but if he took a wider outcome, if it had remained the same, give up the weapons of the USSR and live as you know, grow a bulb and pigs ..... and well done author ...
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      April 21 2014 10: 35
      +1
      Guys, I do not understand why we spend so much time on Galicia and other pro-fascist organizations ??? Let them live and rejoice that they are not Russians, but У_К_Р_Ы !!!


      I agree with you in part, but this gives an insight into many of today's processes in Ukraine. From here come the roots and answers to questions about how the phenomenon of Russian-speaking Bandera arose or why Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Dnepropetrovsk are silent. And also why the Russian-speaking Kiev goes down in history ...
  40. olegkrava
    olegkrava April 21 2014 10: 33
    +1
    After all, every pilot has black and white photo albums with instructors, and all the tracks lead to Soviet Russia, and if not to Lipetsk and Torzhok, then at least to their branches.

    The main "branch" KACHA!
  41. Concept1
    Concept1 April 21 2014 10: 41
    +1
    If you edit this article a little, you can address everything to the "fraternal" people of the former USSR! smile
  42. fedulov_e
    fedulov_e April 21 2014 10: 42
    +1
    It seems weak to fly over Khreshchatyk.
  43. Nevsky_ZU
    April 21 2014 10: 47
    +2
    Quote: concept1
    If you edit this article a little, you can address everything to the "fraternal" people of the former USSR! smile


    A little disagree with you. I'm not racist, by no means. Here in Kazakhstan, indigenous Kazakhs have the right to use the su-27 and mig-29, they belong to a different civilization and did not call themselves without permission, although they coexisted and developed with the Russian world for a long time. And in Ukraine, tragedy. After all, even if we imagine that Western Ukraine is a different civilization, then why do people with Russian surnames and who use Russian for 24 hours, increasingly share the worldview of Western Ukraine?
    The article is addressed more to Dnepropetrovsk, Kiev, Kherson, Zaporozhye and Nikolaev, where the "Russian spirit" evaporates before our eyes.
  44. Cristall
    Cristall April 21 2014 10: 49
    +3
    It is difficult to say ... The main message of the article is why the Russian speakers are at the same time as Westerners.
    Here it is necessary to make clarifications.
    Firstly, the oath to protect (Ukraine, the country, the people, themselves - underline the necessary) is already important. In any case, an order to fly, ride, etc. is an order.
    Secondly, the realization that the country is not quite right. No Crimea - the army surrendered Crimea without a fight, the Fleet surrendered without a fight. The military have no authority in the country at all - they are not capable of anything (and it doesn’t matter that Kiev has made them such for all the years, and this has been repeatedly said) something needs to be done! Well, at least something ...
    Thirdly, informational awareness. The same paratroopers - set the task, to remove the "terrorists" (quite a real task) came and then their own. Turned around and left. Deception at the highest level (the capture of the Regional State Administration in Lviv is an uprising, and in Donetsk it is a riot, rebellion, separatism)
    How can one be surprised at something, if tasks are set, and the goals of the tasks are to fight the people.
    The fault of Kiev is to interfere with the army (the long-suffering one that they never remembered) that even Janus did not touch, even when the situation was critical for him. I don’t care in Kiev. Drive media attacks — in which any action gives rise to opposition, fueling a plan for further action.
    Here if you remove the vector of the media, information disorientation of the Ukrainians themselves (Crimea, separatism, the enemy of Russia, etc.), everyone would clearly understand something. And so the mess - which Kiev does not control in full but heads.
    In general, only the media share the language of memory and SE. The mess center is still in Kiev.
    Society should not be split — adopting nationalist fits of laws and spewing out flows of hatred (Farion Yulia) —to constructively take into account the language problem, the solution of which was promised by all presidential candidates — which they chose! Well, the foreign policy vectors are more complicated here. Here is the root of evil throughout Ukraine, where the desire of some does not coincide with others (this is both money and culture)
  45. bronik
    bronik April 21 2014 10: 56
    +1
    Remember 08.08.08. Who pointed and shot from BUK on our planes. And, knocked them down. These former brothers did not have the right to be present in Georgia, but they were there and shot at us.
  46. rassel0889
    rassel0889 April 21 2014 10: 58
    +1
    It’s a pity the girl on the video, she would have to think about her future children, about the conditions in which they will live, after the uprising ...

    "At home, silence is golden, and here they are burning Molotov cocktails ..." This is an excerpt from a poem, in vain she did not listen to this Russian proverb, maybe she will listen to this?
    "It is better to remain silent and seem like a fool than to say and reveal your essence."
    1. Nonik
      Nonik April 21 2014 17: 14
      0
      Quote: rassel0889
      It’s a pity the girl on the video, she would have to think about her future children, about the conditions in which they will live, after the uprising ...
      But became famous. And even probably some kind of money will pass.
      But in general - it's a pity, yes .. Then he will probably regret, when the thread of epiphany comes (as in the joke - "and all this broke only me ?!")
      1. myflower
        myflower April 22 2014 16: 27
        0
        Hardly. These are russophobes. Everything, brainwashed, they can not be re-educated.
  47. pensioner
    pensioner April 21 2014 10: 59
    +1
    Fly? Well, let them fly. Maybe this kind of diversion is unobtrusive: they burn the last kerosene and the last resource of technology. And this dumb junta is glad they fly. Still, their cameras would be incapacitated ...
    True, in Crimea, when polite Ukrainian flyers were blocking their way to the airfield, they shouted loudly: "America is with us!" ...
  48. Platov
    Platov April 21 2014 11: 00
    0
    Statements of the author are quite viable and have the right to exist.
  49. Gronsky
    Gronsky April 21 2014 11: 19
    0
    Yes, the MiG passing on a shaver above people is strong, however, as is the reaction of people.
    You imagine the reaction of the inhabitants of Europe in such a situation, a life-long pension with the right to be transported around the clock in a wheelchair and a life-time subscription to a corrective psychologist would be guaranteed by all the power of the European Union. Maybe they even erected a monument to them, during their lifetime, as having endured wild torture. In general, our people are great and powerful.
    But the flyers, of course, need to be calculated and taken; forgiveness is impossible.
  50. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 21 2014 11: 25
    0
    When people in Ukraine understand that no one can hide, do not sit on the sidelines, like, I'm not white, I'm not red, I'm on the side. The situation in Ukraine has come to the point that what is happening concerns every resident of a non-dead nanny mother , everyone faces a choice, or to become euro-crests and crawl on their knees forever with outstretched hands in front of the West, or go with Russia as equal participants So the choice is yours gentlemen.