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Kazakhstan's foreign policy needs to be seriously adjusted

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Multi-vector at the crossroads


In one of the past issues of Central Asia Monitor, the results of a survey of domestic experts were published on how Kazakhstan should behave in the conditions of the Russian-Ukrainian crisis. Today we decided to continue this discussion, but more broadly to consider the threats and risks that the current line of conduct of Astana carries. The questions that we addressed to our interlocutors, sounded like this: what will result in increased tension in relations between Russia and the West for Kazakhstan's multi-vector approach, and will a “reset” of the country's foreign policy be required?

Bulat Auelbaev, Head of the Department of Foreign Policy Studies at KISS under the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan:
“Kazakhstan’s weighted position restrains the escalation of growing contradictions between regional and world powers”


- The events of the beginning of 2014 of the year have become for world politics another stage in testing the strength of the entire system of international relations. Now the epicenter of threats and challenges to global stability has shifted from the Middle East and North Africa to the territory connecting Eastern Europe with Eurasian expanses, that is, the territory is actually divided into parts of Ukraine.

In a short time, which included many changes in this country, the world community was plunged into a state of legal and political uncertainty. The system of international law has not just corroded - the entire modern architecture of global relations and rules has been seriously questioned. Currently, the only connecting element remains the interdependence of the economies of the states, without tying them to political positions regarding the change of power in Kiev, the change of the status of Crimea and events in the eastern regions of Ukraine.

At the same time, the growing crisis in relations between Russia and Western countries regarding different approaches to resolving the conflict in Ukraine threatens in the future to break important ties in the global economic system. With modern realities, in particular, the concentration of the population in urban agglomerations, the complex structure of the global division of labor and the international exchange of resources, this process will have irreversible consequences for the general world security.

For Kazakhstan’s foreign policy, all of this is a serious challenge. At the same time, the actions of our republic in the international arena are fully explainable and justified. They come from the experience gained by Kazakhstani diplomacy over the years of independence in neutralizing the negative impact of destabilizing factors on our country.
Currently, a balanced position of Kazakhstan allows not only to minimize the spread of the negative impact of the Ukrainian crisis, but also to curb the escalation of the growth of contradictions between regional and world powers. Other neighboring countries adhere to the same principle, which makes it possible in general to maintain a balance of relations in such a difficult situation.

Thus, based on multi-vector, balance and pragmatism, the foreign policy strategy of Kazakhstan is the most optimal in modern conditions. It must be assumed that the adopted by 21 on January 2014 of the “Concept of the foreign policy of the Republic of Kazakhstan for 2014-2020 years” recorded these basic principles, consistent with the general approaches of the UN Charter and the rule of international law.

Asylbek Bisenbaev, candidate historical sciences, associate professor:

“We can be in close alliance with a state that is isolated by the international community”


- Kazakhstan is an ally and partner of Russia as a member of not only the Customs Union, the CSTO, the CIS and other associations, but also the future Eurasian Economic Union. Naturally, the situation in the Russian Federation seriously affects our economy and politics. Sanctions against it will have a negative impact on all participants in economic relations with the flagship of the CIS.
For Kazakhstan, such an impact can be especially painful. We, as well as Russia, are an exporter of energy resources and mineral raw materials. And also, as in the Russian Federation, this type of activity forms the basis of our economy, since the other sectors are simply not competitive in world markets. In this regard, it is necessary to think about new ways of transporting raw materials.

Let me remind you that international sanctions against Iran have had a strong impact on the activities of our mining companies, which have seen in this country not only a consumer, but also a transit country. Therefore, there remains one stable direction - the PRC.

The second point is the price of resources. Due to the measures taken, the prices of gas and mineral raw materials can go down, as the European consumer will be redirected to other sources, including alternative energy. With a significant reduction in the prices of oil, gas and mineral raw materials, the governments of Russia and Kazakhstan will find it difficult to keep at least an acceptable social policy bar. But such an option is possible, including if China starts the game for lower prices.

There are fewer resources for development due to the fact that, due to significant corruption, pressure from various government agencies and other reasons, entrepreneurship in both Russia and Kazakhstan is in dire straits. The investment attractiveness of the EAEU states is very low. The ruble is rapidly depreciating against the dollar. In connection with the announced sanctions, a serious outflow of capital, including national investors, from Russia followed.

In addition, Russia by its actions undermined the most important achievement and the fundamental principle of the existence of the CIS and other associations - the inviolability of borders and non-interference in internal affairs, which was perhaps the most significant achievement of the CIS, justifying its existence. Russia's refusal to recognize the inviolability of borders is a crushing blow to the idea of ​​integrating the post-Soviet space.

Naturally, part of Kazakhstan’s society is wary or sharply negative about the idea of ​​integration with Russia. There is a fear of loss of sovereignty, the possibility of interference in internal affairs or informational pressure from Russia is not excluded. Therefore, it is impossible to present the opponents of integration as retrogrades and isolationists, putting various negative labels on them. This is a question of the future of the country, and the existence of different points of view in the current situation is justified, which, by the way, must also be taken into account when developing a foreign policy course.

Of course, this course needs serious adjustment. Multi-vector implies a constant and comprehensive study of the situation with the subsequent choice of the only right step. Today for Kazakhstan the main thing is the strengthening of political and economic independence by all means. And this is possible mainly due to active foreign policy, progressive and dynamic development. The evolution of the country itself towards the real market and democracy will enhance the competitiveness, attractiveness and security of Kazakhstan. A dynamically developing state is of interest to all neighbors, near and far. While the stagnant country is not interesting to anyone.

Kazakhstan’s position is such that it is necessary to actively and comprehensively cooperate with all its neighbors, without getting too close to any of them. Therefore, multi-vector and integration at this stage of development are not synonymous. We must avoid involvement in an interstate political union, especially directed against third countries, and one-sided economic orientation. The confrontation caused by the events in Ukraine will be long enough and can have unpredictable consequences. We can be in close alliance with a state that is isolated by the international community. Russia's rating is now rapidly falling. Almost no one supported her actions in Ukraine. You can not lightly refer to international sanctions and think that everything can be “divorced”. A distinctive feature of the West is that the adopted laws are enforced until they are repealed. Therefore, the signing of the agreement on the EAEU in modern conditions can put our country in very difficult conditions.

Valikhan Tuleshov, Director of the Institute for Regional Development:
“Single-vector Kazakhstan is the same nonsense and circus as a one-party parliament”



- Valikhan Utebalievich, what will be the increase in tension in relations between Russia and the West for Kazakhstan's multi-vector approach?

- First, we should immediately say that multi-vector is a form of our universal view of the world, and therefore this principle will remain the same universal tool as it was until now. It is necessary only to conduct it more consistently and accurately in the practice of interstate relations, not to leave it under any circumstances. I say this because today in Russia, which by its policy towards Ukraine isolates itself, it has become increasingly common to talk about “the end of Kazakhstan’s multi-vector approach”. Various analytical structures, individuals and so and so are trying, to put it mildly, to “compromise” the multi-vector policy of our state, wanting Kazakhstan to isolate itself after Russia from the rest of the world. After all, multi-vector approach is, first of all, comprehensiveness and versatility, I repeat, the universality of our view of the world and our place in it. These pseudo-analysts want us to abandon our national interests along the entire perimeter of our international contacts and make the transition to Kazakhstan’s one-vector orientation towards Russia. It is also silly how to make a person eat, for example, one sauerkraut, denying him the rest of the variety of foods. If our partners want to eat only sauerkraut, let them eat, and our food culture cannot accept such a diet.

Secondly, it is not the first time when Russia puts its partners in a position of choice, that is, in fact, it takes such steps that cause image damage to us. In the process of its rebirth, Russia is increasingly behaving like an elephant in a china shop. Why doesn’t the President of the Russian Federation find harmonious solutions, but lead to an escalation of contradictions and thereby actually substitute his partners? I can not remember a single case that Kazakhstan behaved so irresponsibly in the international arena and substituted its partners. Even when the Kyrgyz energy sector urgently dumped water, and it threatened to flood many of our settlements, Kazakhstan found opportunities within the country and built, for example, counter-regulators-reservoirs, which received this water. Why Russian politicians, before asking for our support, do not coordinate their actions with us? Maybe they still believe in their infallibility and that God only gave them a monopoly on the truth? But then this is doubly wrong: partners must communicate with each other in confidence. Instead, we are constantly being faced with a fact, and we are forced to respond to very painful questions for us and the entire world community, not recognizing openly the “rightness” of the Russian position, but “treating with understanding” to it. So it was with Kosovo, so it was with Georgia, it happens with Ukraine. Today, our cooperation programs with Ukraine suffer from such a “coordinated” policy. Most likely, the issues of using the transit potential of Ukraine and Kazakhstan, cooperation in the field of nuclear energy and in the space sphere will remain frozen until the end of the current situation. The “Western China - Western Europe” highway will also lose relevance due to Russia's dangerous for the world actions. In addition, the industrialization program, which is a priority for our country, will be implemented without Ukrainian enterprises that could create joint ventures in Kazakhstan.

As for the attitude of the West to Kazakhstan, we must minimize the risks of negative scenarios. We need to explain to our Western partners that we are building our policy on the EEU purely on the principles of economic pragmatism, and nothing more. That we are not going to go on creating the political format of the EEU, that this is a form of economic cooperation that minimizes the risks and threats of social and cultural delimitation (growth of interethnic contradictions and divisions). And that after Kazakhstan’s accession to the WTO, many parameters of the EAEU will become standardized for it.

In order to gain indisputable sovereignty and full awareness of national interests, Kazakhstan will need time for another generation of citizens who will have to create their own effective system of national security. In the meantime, Kazakhstan risks indirectly falling under the sanctions of Western countries, if it will produce its products from Russian raw materials, transport and sell it through the territory of the Russian Federation, and support those caught under the sanctions of Russian citizens.

In the event that Kazakhstan fully “looks in Lavrov’s mouth”, supports Russia's policy, “single-vector orientation”, then we will also have to face isolation, perhaps softer in form, but I can assure you, very negative in content. Then all our efforts to make the state strong and developed, and the Kazakh culture recognizable throughout the world will be in vain, at least in the medium term.
Russia wants hostility with the whole world, even if it is hostile, but Kazakhstan can’t do this by any means: too many forms of dependence on partners can turn the country into a chronic patient, a vassal, a social and political outsider who is not like the most advanced 30 countries of the world - it will be problematic to recover. In this case, the window of opportunity in the 21 century, which the president is talking about, will close indefinitely.

- In your opinion, will a “reset” of Kazakhstan’s foreign policy be required?

- Yes, it will. We need to restart relations not only with Ukraine, but also with Russia. As applied to the first, taking into account its European choice, and in its relations with the second, towards achieving its national interests in the integration structures in which we have it. At the same time, I repeat, we cannot deviate from our multi-vector policy. On the contrary, we must move more efficiently and purposefully in its format.

Kazakhstan can also play the role of a peacemaker, but not Russia with the West, but Russia with Ukraine. However, we should clearly define our interests in different areas of this trilateral cooperation. We will need to more specifically show our Russian partners what we want to achieve in relations with Ukraine, and what we don’t want and need to close is what we can lose if Russia continues to ask us to act in the format of allied solidarity based on the CU treaties , SES and EAEU.

In particular, we must do everything so that Ukraine, Russia and Kazakhstan continue, until other concepts of civilizational, cultural and technological development mature, to work together in the framework of the Cosmotrans project, which provides for cooperation in the space sector and the joint use of the Baikonur cosmodrome . After all, Ukraine has certain achievements in the field of research and production of spacecraft, which are used by Russia and will apparently be used for some time by us until fundamentally new technologies appear.

In other words, it is necessary to reboot our relations in such a way that it does not interfere with the civilizational choice of the people of Ukraine and at the same time allows us gradually to evolve in a cultural and civilizational way, without jerks and exacerbation of situations. Kazakhstan should clearly assess the scale of these disintegration processes in Russia itself, as well as understand what we lose if we do not maintain the previous high level of our relations with Ukraine. After all, among other things, it has one of the highest transit factors in the world for its territory. Convenient transcontinental traffic flows pass through it. A further rapprochement between Ukraine and the West, especially with regard to the unification of energy and transport and logistics systems, will create additional opportunities for Kazakhstan in terms of promoting our economic interests in the European region.

For example, cooperation in the field of maritime transport was interesting for Kazakhstan in terms of the use of Ukrainian ports. The possibilities of joint implementation of oil transshipment projects in the area of ​​the Pivdenny marine oil terminal and an oil refinery near the city of Yuzhny, Odessa region, were considered. In addition, prospects for the joint production of oil and gas equipment in Kazakhstan and Ukraine were studied, and the construction of transport infrastructure was being worked out.

Ukraine was also interested in us with its engineering capabilities based on modernizing industrial bases since the USSR, and Kazakhstan was interested in supplying agricultural equipment, equipment for power plants, importing cars, airplanes, etc. We were interested in the creation of plants for the assembly and maintenance of this equipment in our territory.

In the agro-industrial complex, issues of opening representative offices of Ukrainian enterprises of agricultural engineering, service centers for servicing agricultural machinery of Ukrainian production, as well as deliveries of Ukrainian machinery and spare parts to it are being worked out in Kazakhstan.

You can enumerate a lot, which can now be subjected to Ukraine, due to its current state, revision and reset of its relations with us.
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  1. from punk
    from punk April 20 2014 07: 28
    +4
    every politician wants to earn points on the crisis of Russia and Europe. I hope common sense will help to understand that Russia cannot be isolated without isolating itself for one thing. In Europe, they understand this but do not want to acknowledge it. What about changing borders, why then TS? Why did you enter
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ April 20 2014 09: 37
      +5
      Another Russophobe who cares about the independence and Svidomo, now Kazakhstan.
      True, they say that "it is better to have a worthy enemy than a rotten friend."
      1. Stalnov I.P.
        Stalnov I.P. April 20 2014 10: 46
        +9
        Without prejudice to the sovereignty of Kazvkhstan, I want to say that if we look at the policies of the states and Europind, then practically all the CIS countries are not democratic and, following the example of Iraq, Libya, North Korea, etc., you just need to re-educate, but how it is made clear to everyone. Why, while expressing claims to you about democracy, they don’t get down to business, but because the shadow of Russia looms behind your back and there are no any trips, even verbal ones, to the Russian one and all questions are removed. Remember Uzbekistan, the Islamist attack, as if pressed, they fled to Russia, and whoever stood behind this attack was the West. So, you have the right to choose friends for yourself, decide only if you don’t run somewhere, whining to Russia YOU ARE SAME SOVEREIGN STATES.
      2. Zymran
        Zymran April 20 2014 11: 05
        +7
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Another Russophobe who cares about the independence and Svidomo, now Kazakhstan.


        Any normal citizen of the state will care about the independence of his country.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 April 20 2014 12: 12
          -13%
          Any normal citizen of the state will care about the independence of his country.


          All CIS countries are artificial states, which in fact are part of Russia. so if one of the citizens of these countries does not understand this and defends the "independence" of these countries from Russia, then he is just a Russophobe.
          Tell me, what is Kazakhstan better than FER? But the Far East does not build its own state and does not make a multi-vector policy, but goes with Russia in life.
          1. Dani
            Dani April 20 2014 18: 20
            +5
            I didn’t understand how much you take upon yourself, huh? What is the fright part of Russia. Kazakhstan has always been a separate state, but then it became part of Russia, but this and that Russia are two different things. I respect the USSR. I SORRY IT disintegrated, but you probably think that the USSR is Russia, that’s not so, why do you say Russophobe a person has an opinion for me, like for many citizens of Kazakhstan, Russia is an empty place, and you know why you are not loved because you think a lot about yourself, although in fact you are also more in the ass, you are shit, now I understand why you call all Asians, Caucasians Chukchi you are simply afraid, you have complete messes at home homosexuals, pidavil you even the Nazis have you only cool computers and so ....... full ......
            1. aagolovkov
              aagolovkov April 21 2014 00: 52
              -6
              Another hysterical ... We are tolerant guys, but if there is too much, then it's too much. Do not be nervous, have to rejoice, do not strain
              1. Dani
                Dani April 21 2014 13: 24
                +6
                brother you did not confuse
                why rejoice that 2 million people died and someone does not want to admit it
        2. Fin
          Fin April 20 2014 12: 40
          +11
          Quote: Zymran
          Any normal citizen of the state will care about the independence of his country.

          I read the biography of a normal citizen here: Asylbek Bisenbaev In 1997 founded the Liberal Movement of Kazakhstan. From October 1998 to December 2001 - Press Secretary of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan. From December 2001 to July 2003 - Deputy Head of the Secretariat of the Security Council of the Republic of Kazakhstan. From July 2003 - General Director of the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda-Kazakhstan.
          www.bnews.kz;
          Nazarbayev removed the liberal from the government 10 years ago.
          Valikhan Tuleshov - professor at the International Academy of Business http://www.carnegie.ru/experts/?fa=868, belongs to the Carnegie Moscow Center.
          I think those present on the site have no questions.
          All the same liberal tales about terrible Russia and the West’s friend to all tribes and peoples.
          Zurman, choose normal people more carefully.
          1. aagolovkov
            aagolovkov April 21 2014 00: 55
            -1
            Ah, liberal ..... You can even continue n. Now the word "liberal" is such a pale for all liberals, since it is clear how much it does not correspond to the very meaning of the word .... As well as "partners" .... Who has whom is a question of dialectics.
        3. aagolovkov
          aagolovkov April 21 2014 00: 47
          -7
          You are our multi-vector, with whom are you going to trade in Ukraine now?!?!?!?!?)))))))))))) There is no power, this is not even visible through your pink glasses ?! When you arrange the same get along like in Ukraine, it will be possible to neigh ... Freedom of choice and all the other crap, until you are left without pants without pants .... And your terrrrrrritoriaaalnaya integrity will accidentally slip through - you can immediately to the EU to enter if something remains of him by that moment. In general, it’s good to reason while it does not concern you personally. God forbid you such a thing ... You’ll be the first to start screaming, only everyone will like you now.
          And do not try to condemn RUSSIA !!!!!! You did not deserve such a right!
          1. Dani
            Dani April 21 2014 13: 24
            +4
            deserve more
      3. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder April 20 2014 11: 22
        +14
        Do not pay attention to the statements of individual "experts", their minority, as in any country, in our country, as in the post-90s, the course of the country is going to please the liberal elite, which keeps all the money abroad and is ready to run there like rats from a ship leaving country at will, and this explains why such a rich our country can not make rich only 17 million people - all the money goes to accounts abroad, offshore so to speak.
        While the oligarchs are in power, they will crow in favor of the United States, for the United States helps them to make consumers and creditors (debtors) out of the people by taking huge bucks from them and giving people a large percentage on credit, and the people spend them on entertainment, burgers and coke, and housing for which the average person will never save, because the price of a one-room apartment is also like a three-room apartment in Paris, and earnings are 10 times lower than the European one, and ordinary people like Taychibekov just want to live in a normal and strong country that the US and the EU do not threaten Their expansion, strong alone we physically cannot, remains to rely on the defense of our northern neighbor.
        At least the president is doing something for integration. And these "experts" would go wherever I tell them, I am definitely not going to protect their accounts.
        1. aagolovkov
          aagolovkov April 21 2014 00: 59
          -1
          Everywhere the same infection - a credit needle for people with non-covering salaries, well, and offshore friends are liberals with owners. I am pleased to realize that it seems that we will soon get seriously involved in this affiliated layer. Same to you ))
      4. Artyom
        Artyom April 20 2014 14: 10
        -3
        All the countries and republics surrounding us are forced to fear us! And not because we are so scary, but because we are great and huge, we can afford something that others do not even dream of! But the question is! To America it is somehow inaudible, in the international community, of such claims!
        And they are cooler than ours! They are even more afraid of her than us, from here and the nagging that they say we will anger Uncle Sam with our actions!
    2. Validator
      Validator April 20 2014 10: 42
      +2
      Nazarbayev is our man. and he doesn’t understand that as soon as an anti-Russian government comes to power in Kazakhstan, a maximum of half will remain from this country:
    3. alicante11
      alicante11 April 20 2014 10: 48
      -2
      In order to fuck your own gesheft from this, and if instead of the gesheft the opportunity to be fucked is indicated in the face, then they immediately recall the multi-vector nature. The only way to secure a satellite is to buy its industry in the bud.
    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder April 20 2014 11: 27
      +7
      The people in the article are liberals like Yaytsenyuk and Tymoshenko, they are only worried about the money they earn by advancing other people's interests.
    5. Siberian German
      Siberian German April 20 2014 12: 31
      +2
      and they want to sit on two chairs - multi-vector - multi-care
      1. Kasym
        Kasym April 20 2014 19: 09
        +10
        According to the article.
        You can argue with Valikhan Tuleshov. It is not the Russian Federation that makes us make a choice, it is Russia that is forced to do what is happening. Putin, after the Baltic republics joined NATO, said that he would not allow NATO expansion at the expense of rep. former USSR. Georgia, Ukraine - this is not the Kremlin’s actions, this is the Kremlin’s response. Here he is cunning.
        Asylbek Bisenbaev. What sanctions are we talking about, about those lists of officials? There is no need to push it, the West itself will not find it enough (VISA suspended payments of Russians for one day and lost (will lose) millions of customers. And now it will also get a competitor. Who is in Russia or the West?). Asylbek Bisenbaev, as a historian, should know that the rich (for resources) and large in the territory of the country, but with a small population will always be forced to look for an ally. They will not be able to independently ensure their safety. Therefore, for us the choice is not great - Russia or China (integration within Central Asia is impossible due to the position of Uzbekistan). I choose Russia. We came from the same country, we have one story and we have nothing to share, there are many Russians (Slavs) among us, the Russian language and culture, their traditions are not alien to us. We have the same worldview. If we ourselves do not "drive" the Russians will definitely not get here - they have nothing else to do. Without the Union with Russia, I see no prospects in terms of security, in terms of the growth of prosperity and development of the economy of Kazakhstan. I think that in the given Situation in Ukraine, Ukrainians would pay dearly for Security (to live without fear) and Stability.
        I will agree with Bulat Auelbaev. hi
        EASTER YOU FRIENDS!
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 20 2014 20: 33
          +9
          Friends, as soon as an article about Kazakhstan appears, a “battle” for land, interethnic relations, Baikonur and language always begins in the comments. Most often, Russians, not knowing our reality, or those who moved from Kazakhstan, draw conclusions from rumors or the past (90s). Judging from the Russian mass media, there is very little information about Kazakhstan, or such "sets". I would advise you to better contact us, Kazakhstanis, on the website. Fortunately, there are enough Russians, Korean and Ukrainian Kazakhs.
          But essentially the following:
          Land . In my opinion, it is so here. If we are building the Union, then, friends, what are YOU talking about? In the north of the Republic of Kazakhstan (about 4 mil.; And many where, for example, Alma-Ata) there are many Russians, many Kazakhs live in the border areas of the Russian Federation (about 1 mil. Throughout Russia). They live peacefully for centuries, but do you want them to fight or like in Ukraine? It will be the Union that I don’t see much of a difference where to live.
          Interethnic relations. We have the Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan. State body prescribed in the Constitution. The ANC has 9 seats in parliament (diaspora elections are held within the assembly). It develops laws itself and passes them through parliament. ANC congress was held on Friday. ANC Chairman - President. It was decided to transfer the ANC "House of Friendship" in Alma-Ata and build 4 Cultural Centers in the regions, etc. ... Who is interested, look for yourself, if you ask, I will explain about the ANC separately. But I did not notice an analogue of such a body in the countries of the USSR. We have, as an example, if an official insults you on the national, religious. or language. sign of losing his job without the right to work in government agencies for 5 years. I, of course, agree that in kitchens we can "rinse" anything, but in public in the Republic of Kazakhstan it is not customary to "apply" by nationality, because We had a lot of exiles and displaced people, construction projects. And the indigenous population is less than half (this was not the case in any republic of the USSR).
          Language . Kazakh - state. Russian is the language of interethnic communication. Both languages ​​are spelled out in the Constitution of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Schools are approximately 50 to 50%. All documents are in 2 languages. No one will turn away if you ask in one language or another (as in the Baltics). The government also promotes knowledge of a third - a foreign language. This is the position of the government and the president. But there are imbalances in life - then, please, ANC, the Prosecutor's Office and Nur Otan - they simply have to check and answer.
          In Kazakhstan, in 2013, 83 people were imprisoned for terrorism and extremism.
          Baikonur. According to it, a new agreement was adopted. According to it, Kazakhstan received the right to invest money in the INFRASTRUCTURE of the city and the cosmodrome itself. Is it good for the Russian Federation or not? After all, there were launching pads for all launch vehicles? In the East, in my opinion, under 3 missiles. Ours, according to the latest documents, wanted to tighten Ukraine with the Zenith (UR + RF + RK). Give money for it (slave jobs in Ukraine and Russia) and restore infrastructure for it. Is it really bad? To order satellites and rocket carriers, investing money in the development of Russian space exploration. And the money that the Russian Federation pays for the cosmodrome in Russia remains (we used to get 3 Su-27 B / U with developed resources, now cadets at Russian educational institutions study for them). RK has one task in Baikonur. So that the city and the spaceport does not turn into reinforced concrete ghosts. And the RK in the contract made this clear. The Russian Federation now has one task - Kazakhstani money will go to the Russian Federation or abroad. Everything is in the hands of Russia. Do not think anything bad, but there are facts where Kazakhstan, Russia, made it very burned. Look about Baiterek and the Angara and what Kazakhstan has lost there. Space has always been an expensive and not profitable industry. I think Russia should wisely approach the financial possibilities of Astana. hi
          1. Kasym
            Kasym April 20 2014 21: 53
            +9
            Multi-vector. What do you want, friends? Put yourself in our shoes. Gold and foreign exchange reserves - 0. Almost all consumer goods (comrade Nar. Consumer) were imported - they didn't even make nails, although they had KarMet. What to do ? Let's go to the IMF. And there such% stood out - mom, do not cry. "Russia should be pulled out, not up to you. If you want, on such conditions, because your country's ratings are zero." Brzezinski threatened a civil war, the people began to leave (out of almost 1 Germans, about 000 people remained). Tsar-Boris kicked out of the ruble zone (he promised to leave it, and they brought old rubles from all over the USSR in trunks and cars to us). We thought that after Nazarbayev's speech at Moscow State University in 000, at least someone would change their minds. Where there! Everyone went to all the trouble. Wars and revolutions still do not subside. Blood is still shedding and NATO is on the doorstep. In the old capital - Alma-Ata, electricity, gas, heating have become a problem. And what was to be done? Wait for the Russian Federation to gather its strength and ask her for help - so you will be bent ahead of time (Russia did not have any attendants) ?! We (Kazakhstan) did not ask and no one offered us such assistance, which Russia, for example, all the time subsidized Ukraine and Belarus, hundreds of billions of dollars.
            They began to build relationships with everyone themselves. But the basic principles were adopted:
            1. First, the economy and well-being of citizens, and then politics and democracy.
            2. External relations need to be built starting with neighbors. Priority is the definition of boundaries.
            3. Investors and investments from abroad.
            Here are many who believe that we just got oil. If you look, we mined a little over 20 million tons at the time of the collapse. Consumed a little more. For example, the Pavlodar and Chimken refineries worked for the growth. oil. But now we are close to 80 mil. tons of oil per year. An increase of about 200% of owls. period. The same story with uranium. They even introduced a new mining method - our know-how. We now occupy the 1st place in the world in production. Not lost in metallurgy (even increased) and grain production. And investments came from everywhere. With its foreign policy (non-nuclear status, etc.), Kazakhstan has managed to attract investment per capita more than in the Russian Federation and take the lead. position in this indicator. For example, in the Republic of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation invested 1,7 billion, and the Russian Federation in the Republic of Kazakhstan 1,2.
          2. Kasym
            Kasym April 20 2014 21: 54
            +7
            But relations with the PRC have some peculiarities. Kazakhstan managed to turn the problem into successful diplomacy. RK, represented by NAS, was one of the first to see the rise of China and made a win-win bet. The disputed territories were divided - the boundaries were determined. The creation of the SCO and the building of friendly relations can be put to Nazarbayev and Tokayev in +. During the 2008 crisis, the PRC gave as much as asked. Moreover, you will meet Chinese less often in Kazakhstan than Koreans from Korea. "We are ready to buy out all the min. Raw materials, all energy carriers, rare-earth and non-ferrous metals, which are mined and produced by Kazakhstan" -Hu Jintau. Economic relations with the PRC run counter to the interests of the West. And Kazakhstan uses this very successfully - there is always an alternative, therefore both have to reckon with this. For example, Kazakhstan has a 10% share in the Karachaganak field, but 80% of the profit goes to the budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan. In Tengiz, with 0 investments, we have a 50% share. At the dawn of independence, FOREIGNERS COULD DICTATE. It's not real now. Kazakhstan is already a well-known country, and you can't buy NAS just like the interim government in Kiev - you can buy whoever you want.
            As for Russia, unfortunately it invests little in our country. Therefore, the Kazakh VARIETY should be understood primarily from an ECONOMIC POINT OF VIEW. And in foreign policy, the Republic of Kazakhstan always flows in the mainstream of Russia. At least I don't remember a case when RK went the other way. Well, perhaps at the anti-nuclear forums of the National Academy of Sciences calls for disarmament. Many people ask the question: "Why does the Republic of Kazakhstan not stand for Russia in the UN, does not recognize the independence of Ossetia and Abkhazia?" Here we must look at it from the economic point of view. According to my sources, the military was even ready to speak in Georgia. But Putin himself wrote the "stop". "Do not climb, sit still." Both RF and RK have the same export goods. Harnessed well. Both of them will impose sanctions on export goods and what will we do - are we buying a lot abroad for their dollars? Otherwise it is possible not to suffer at all through the Kazakhstani "representative offices". Let them enter - the address will change and no more.
  2. Grif
    Grif April 20 2014 07: 30
    +8
    As for multi-vector it is not very clear. There are only two vectors - Russia and China.
    1. their
      their April 20 2014 07: 44
      -1
      Quote: Grif
      As for multi-vector it is not very clear. There are only two vectors - Russia and China.


      West of course yet. Their influence is very strong in Kazakhstan.
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia April 20 2014 07: 54
      +7
      And here it is!



    3. Humpty
      Humpty April 20 2014 08: 28
      +5
      Quote: Grif
      As for multi-vector it is not very clear. There are only two vectors - Russia and China.


      4 vectors are openly viewed. Their perspective seems to me like this:
      1. China means returning to the yurt.
      2. USA and NATO - feudal fragmentation, blood.
      3. Russia-you can continue to drive nonsense.
      4. Turkey. These are not my speculations, but the dreams of the wisest of the shining kings - the construction of a state of Turks from Altai to the White Sea. The result will not be long in coming.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 20 2014 11: 33
        +1
        1. China means returning to the yurt.


        What yurt? It’s just that the Chinese will live in Kazakhstan. Well, a few Kazakhs.

        2. USA and NATO - feudal fragmentation, blood.


        See point 1. The USA and NATO have shown very well, using the example of Crimea, how they can defend their allies. So the Chinese will pick themselves up too.

        3. Russia-you can continue to drive nonsense.


        Exactly.

        4. Turkey. These are not my speculations, but the dreams of the wisest of the shining kings - the construction of a state of Turks from Altai to the White Sea. The result will not be long in coming.


        also see point 1. Where is Turkey and where is China from Kazakhstan. Yes, and Turkey can not cope with China in any case.
    4. Bi_Murza
      Bi_Murza April 20 2014 09: 01
      +22
      Yeah, we also have enough traitors to the interests of the people and Lala Democrats receiving loot from the West, Honestly standing guard over the interests of the USA and Europe am
      The people of Kazakhstan support the actions of Russia in Ukraine good
    5. koshh
      koshh April 20 2014 13: 24
      -3
      Well no. They already have a chance to build a base for the Americans.
  3. Name
    Name April 20 2014 07: 35
    +3
    Who is not with us is against us, but in Ukraine there is no power at all, therefore it is not clear what kind of mediation is meant.
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 April 20 2014 08: 03
      -2
      It is not at all necessary that those who are not with us, then those are against us. Such may well be just behind us ...
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 20 2014 11: 39
        -5
        Well, you see, a small country located on your border is either your outpost or a springboard for an attack. There is no third.
  4. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 20 2014 07: 36
    +2
    We need to restart relations not only with Ukraine, but also with Russia. In relation to the first - taking into account its European choice, and in relations with the second - in the direction of achieving our national interests in those integration structures in which we are members.
    Juliet brothers are Kazakhs .. Do you want to sit on two chairs? And our and your multi-vector, etc. You play with fire (I'm not talking about Russia ..)
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 April 20 2014 11: 41
      0
      Nazarbayev is haunted by the laurels of Milosevic and Gaddafi.
    2. Guard
      Guard April 21 2014 00: 18
      +8
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Juliet brothers are Kazakhs .. Do you want to sit on two chairs? And our and your multi-vector, etc. Play with fire

      In general, I am amazed with the Russians ... All these years Kazakhstan has called the Kremlin to integration processes, and in response Moscow passionately kissed his friend Bill, and his friend Helmut. All proposals to create close ties were rejected by Russia. On the contrary, Russia pushed its CIS neighbors away from itself - this was done by the authorities, the media, and the common people who, since the publication of Solzhenitsyn's scribbles, openly said: "Why do we need this Central Asia and other churkostans?"
      I perfectly remember the mood that existed in Russia in the 90s, since I myself am a former Russian. In Russia, it was believed that friendship with the former republics of the USSR was of no use, and one should be friends only with the West.
      And now there is a feeling that Russians have only a short-term memory, and they are firmly convinced that supposedly these republics fled from Russia (although it was the opposite), and that it was allegedly Russia that had been conducting a "one-vector policy" all these years, and that it was supposedly Russia. " fought "against the West and tried to integrate with its neighbors.
      Hello ... You will also say that Nazarbayev spoke German in the German parliament to "fall in love" with the West.
      1. aagolovkov
        aagolovkov April 21 2014 01: 29
        -4
        In those years, other people would have been at the helm, and we ourselves were painfully offended by the country being destroyed by just such lured liberals. And the fact that now normal and silt people rule in Russia say thank you better, or just rejoice, it's not so difficult. The world is changing, paradigms are changing, and thank God that this process has begun at all, but it might not yet be known how long. In the United States now, by all appearances, such fools are sitting: they wouldn’t rock the boat and steal us further, but their hegemon-rooster pecked out at our side and we were able to start "consolidating assets." Without them, nothing like this would have happened, and the 5th column would have continued to spread rot on the president in parallel with the withdrawal of capital. Now they will have fun too, Westerners
        1. Guard
          Guard April 21 2014 02: 51
          +6
          Quote: aagolovkov
          In those years, other people would be at the helm, and it was just such lure liberals who ruined the country to our pains.

          Come on! These people did not come from the moon, but every four years they were elected by you. "Vote with your heart!" - forgotten already? Has the general love of Russians with the West also passed without a trace from memory? "America with Taratuta", "Santa Barbara", gum "Stimorol", etc. Weren't the Russians throwing shit on everything that was before 1991? Was it not in Russia that the chernukha was filmed and is still being filmed? Was it not in Russia that clichés about barrage detachments shooting in the back, penal battalions and so on were circulated? Didn't the Russians destroy the Dzerzhinsky monument and celebrate the "Independence Day" on June 12? Didn't the Russians quote Solzhenitsyn and broadcast programs with his participation on RTR, calling him a "Russian prophet"?
          Now the Russians pretend that this was nothing, vilify Solzhenitsyn and claim that they never tried to play love with the West. Watch TV programs of the 90s, read newspapers of that time in libraries. It is you who are demanding a visa regime with Kazakhstan, asking for money from the West, standing in lines in front of the US Embassy, ​​hiring foreign advisers who write laws for you. It is you there who spread rot on the army and argue that the times of the Cold War are over and there is no need to spend a lot of money on the army. It was you, the Russians, who were quoting your neighbors "take sovereignty as much as you can take away" and lit the lights at concerts, sad about America, "which you have never been to."
          1. foxxi
            foxxi April 21 2014 07: 38
            +6
            I absolutely agree, everything was so ... it was insulting, but nevertheless we can’t separate.
            1. Argyn-suindyk
              Argyn-suindyk April 21 2014 16: 30
              +4
              Veterans of the Kulikovsky battle are silent in a rag!
          2. Docent1984
            Docent1984 April 21 2014 16: 56
            +3
            It's like that! Except for one thing - it’s not the Russians who pretend, it’s just the two-faced liberals who pretend. We all remember this and we are ashamed of it. Someone more, someone less, someone still thinks that the homeland is where * oops are warm ... But most are ashamed of Yeltsin, ankl-benz, the German orchestra. And we have already come to the point of talking about it out loud. The first step has been taken.
          3. Astana_555
            Astana_555 30 November 2015 14: 43
            -1
            Russians have a very short memory. A nation that does not remember its past has no future. In Berlin, inscriptions on the Reichstag, such as "Vasya was here," have the status of historical value and are protected by the state. Russia, every 30-40 years, foaming at the mouth and hysterically disowns its past
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      2. Astana_555
        Astana_555 30 November 2015 14: 39
        0
        Ay, how clearly and clearly stated!
  5. Vladimir.z.
    Vladimir.z. April 20 2014 07: 37
    -2
    Quote: Grif
    As for multi-vector not very ...


    It’s inconvenient to sit in rakoryaku, but it’s not possible to move at all ....
  6. rasputin17
    rasputin17 April 20 2014 07: 42
    +5
    The position of Kazakhstan is quite clear and understandable! its politicians make it clear that in the event of a grandiose scout they will take the most advantageous side for themselves and will try to dissociate themselves from anyone if only they are not touched and drawn into any confrontational situations.
    1. koshh
      koshh April 20 2014 13: 41
      0
      Yes, this is not the policy of Kazakhstan, It is the henchmen of the Americans or Chinese spies. It's them. on the contrary, they are trying to drag Kazakhstan into a conflict with Russia. Look how the situation with the advancement of Russia to the east and the accession of Kazakhstan suddenly got out on the sites. Do we need this? We still have to deal with Ukraine.
      1. Astana_555
        Astana_555 30 November 2015 14: 47
        0
        Glory to the Almighty that you did not understand there. Rather, crap. And so, we were next in line, this is 100% information
    2. Astana_555
      Astana_555 30 November 2015 14: 46
      0
      So what? This is bad? If shots do not sound in your homeland, blood will not flow, there will be no fear for the future of your children. only complete stupid people can wish for war. By the way, then the first and shrink and join the ranks of deserters
  7. their
    their April 20 2014 07: 43
    -1
    Someone will play the multi-vector approach, the current challenges show that Kazakhstan should choose the side, otherwise they may repeat the Ukrainian scenario.
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 April 21 2014 05: 30
      -2
      Yes, you’re right, the time has come when it’s time to take sides either !!! Multivectorness has already outlived itself as a political direction since it does not have specifics and political certainty!
  8. Humpty
    Humpty April 20 2014 07: 45
    +6
    “Kazakhstan’s weighted position restrains the escalation of growing contradictions between regional and world powers”

    Oh the wisest of the wise! Dear literature teacher.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru April 20 2014 08: 36
      0
      Quote: Humpty
      Dear Literature Teacher

      Why is it not written in Kazakh ?! Mess! Eliminate and report!
      1. Argyn-suindyk
        Argyn-suindyk April 21 2014 17: 42
        -1
        The toilet is more symbolic than Russian!
  9. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 20 2014 07: 50
    +6
    When finally all the republics of the former USSR will understand that they do not need the West. Then there will be no such questions. And those who are looking for some other "vector" that points to the west are just sitting stupidly on an oil pipe
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 April 20 2014 11: 44
      -8
      By and large, we also do not need them nafig, well, except for Ukraine and Belarus. And so - suitcases without a handle. You just need to buy up the whole industry there and that our oligarchs put their preziks there. So there will be completely loyal satellites, but you do not need to feed, on self-sufficiency.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran April 20 2014 11: 45
        +3
        Quote: alicante11
        You just need to buy up the whole industry there and that our oligarchs put their preziks there.


        He will eat, but who will give him. (with)
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          1. Guard
            Guard April 21 2014 00: 25
            +6
            Quote: alicante11
            Yes, do not ask, and if necessary, like the Americans. To bring in troops, plant the right chela, he will wring out all the necessary property.

            Well, bring in your "troops". Ready to lead this column? I will personally bury it near Orenburg. I'm not a Georgian, and I'm not a Little Russian. So bite your tongue, buoy invader.
            1. foxxi
              foxxi April 21 2014 07: 40
              +4
              yeah ... and in the west they will rejoice and rub the little hands sweaty from the lust of the lustful ....
          2. kosta_cs
            kosta_cs April 21 2014 07: 37
            +4
            Thinking like a thug, you yourself will be in the "introduced" troops or will you sit out on the couch? If you still will, then be so kind as to sign here, for you personally, I’ll boggle the patron.
      2. Dani
        Dani April 20 2014 18: 30
        +1
        who whom feed wake up boy
    2. koshh
      koshh April 20 2014 13: 53
      +1
      Unfortunately, the West really needs them. We need it as a military base, as a springboard for further pressure on Russia.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 20 2014 14: 23
        -7
        Well, that's why we need to make them an offer that they could not refuse.
    3. aagolovkov
      aagolovkov April 21 2014 01: 39
      -2
      The problem is that loans are taken from the West to promote "new politicians" in these former republics. Then they work out with interest. Probably, it was cheaper after all to get into power through bank loans to get part of the interest. But who will give them something without security .... And here the people and their opinion ?! The people plow for a penny, they need to feed the family, and arrange the children in kindergartens / schools (I'm not talking about the institute, in which they will give less knowledge than at school). But by the time they (politicians), returning the interest, will plunder everything, and this will directly affect ordinary citizens, at their first protest, they will be declared extremists. People have nothing to do with it: the state should control on whose money the new power is being promoted, and it will be immediately clear who is actually the extremist. We need to look at the roots of problems, not treat symptoms
  10. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN April 20 2014 07: 55
    +2
    If Kazakhstan also turns towards "democracy" .................. Nazarbayev's wisdom, I think, will be enough to prevent the Maidan variant ........ if not ... ..then the conversation will be different!
    1. Humpty
      Humpty April 20 2014 08: 06
      -1
      So the wise elbasy said: “The foreign policy of Kazakhstan, along with the protection and promotion of national interests, is aimed at actively participating in international efforts to combat these threats in the name of global and regional security and stability”
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru April 20 2014 08: 39
        +2
        Quote: Humpty
        wise elbasy

        Yes Yosh-Bashi is wise! May Allah extend the wise centuries of his reign!
    2. Dani
      Dani April 20 2014 18: 31
      +1
      what a conversation, but enough power, you can’t tear your navel
  11. 51064
    51064 April 20 2014 08: 00
    +2
    Quote: Grif
    As for multi-vector it is not very clear. There are only two vectors - Russia and China.

    Kazakhstan has very close economic ties with Europe as well. As for the article - nothing new, a lot of words, political correctness in relation to official opinion and the course, everything is like in the days of 080808.
    Multiple vectorization, a test for Kazakhstan, peacekeeping, risks - it’s about the same as 6 years ago, one to one. The only thing that has changed significantly is the emergence of the TS, the preparation of the Eurasian Economic Community, the need for resources and money for the implementation of ambitious projects has grown.
  12. mig31
    mig31 April 20 2014 08: 01
    +2
    Everyone needs an orbit correction, otherwise you can face death in the third world ...
  13. levinson 1st
    levinson 1st April 20 2014 08: 01
    +2
    The Russian leadership should welcome the desire of the Kazakhs to sit on several stools at once and draw conclusions for themselves for the future.
    Yanukovych also squealed about multivectorness and, in his opinion, very convincingly talked about its usefulness for the country.
    Therefore, when the Kazakh oranges begin to tear their country, then Russia should politically correct steer aside, taking with it those territories that were transferred to the Kazakhs from the RSFSR in dubious voluntarist way in Soviet times.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т April 20 2014 14: 21
      -3
      Quote: Levinson 1st
      taking with them those territories that were transferred from the RSFSR to Kazakhs in a dubious voluntaristic way during the Soviet era

      Gee! And what remains? laughing
      1. Dani
        Dani April 20 2014 18: 32
        +1
        what remains, what kind of land they gave us something I don’t remember, maybe we gave you ah?
        1. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 April 20 2014 20: 36
          +1
          You gave us? ... You can give what you own. You can own what you can hold! Well, tell me, what could you keep there?
        2. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 April 20 2014 20: 36
          +1
          You gave us? ... You can give what you own. You can own what you can hold! Well, tell me, what could you keep there?
        3. s1н7т
          s1н7т April 22 2014 15: 31
          0
          Quote: danik
          what remains, what kind of land they gave us something I don’t remember, maybe we gave you ah?

          So, before the revolution, Kazakhstan did not exist at all. As part of the RSFSR, there was a Kyrgyz autonomous region, which was allocated to the Kazakh SSR, if you are not aware. "So shtaaa" (c) laughing In fact, the republic sucked from a finger and nationality, invented by the Bolsheviks laughing
        4. s1н7т
          s1н7т April 22 2014 15: 31
          0
          Quote: danik
          what remains, what kind of land they gave us something I don’t remember, maybe we gave you ah?

          So, before the revolution, Kazakhstan did not exist at all. As part of the RSFSR, there was a Kyrgyz autonomous region, which was allocated to the Kazakh SSR, if you are not aware. "So shtaaa" (c) laughing In fact, the republic sucked from a finger and nationality, invented by the Bolsheviks laughing
    2. Astana_555
      Astana_555 30 November 2015 14: 49
      0
      And give us Orynbor, Astrakhan, Tomen, etc.
  14. hrych
    hrych April 20 2014 08: 10
    +5
    When they talk about multi-vector, in the current world, they seem to hint at the presence of several holes, ready to simultaneously participate in a group sex. Nezalezhnaya (it didn’t die, but actually didn’t die) is a typical and egregious (from the word "yell yushchenko") example. If the Elbasy does not eat dunkopf, but it seems that he was not noticed in this, he will learn from other people's mistakes.
    1. Guard
      Guard April 21 2014 00: 31
      +6
      Quote: hrych
      When talking about multi-vector, in the present world, it is as if hinted at the presence of several holes, ready to simultaneously participate in a group sex.

      So that's what the position of Russia was called all these years, until Putin quarreled with the West ...
      Quote: hrych
      If Elbasy is not dunkopf

      Type flashed knowledge of German? Dummkopf, shreib 'richtig.
  15. 51064
    51064 April 20 2014 08: 19
    +11
    Quote: hrych
    it will learn from the mistakes of others.

    First of all, I would like to note that fundamental errors in national policy were not committed in Kazakhstan, unlike Ukraine. We must pay tribute to the fact that Kazakhstan managed to avoid shocks on a national basis, in principle, in general.
  16. midashko
    midashko April 20 2014 08: 21
    +10
    I always considered the Kazakhs to be straightforward and wise people, and here the author’s calls are worthy of our liberal. Like an affectionate calf: suck here, suck there, and there (if this is profitable) and suck ... Such behavior is not worthy for both a person and a respected powers. No need to take examples from all the great Baltic republics including Poland’s neighbor. They have this feature, maybe historical, maybe geographical.
    1. Dani
      Dani April 20 2014 18: 34
      +1
      we want a good one but you look
  17. 1812 1945
    1812 1945 April 20 2014 08: 28
    0
    Wisely. We sat on two chairs and didn't break anything. They even wanted to introduce the Latin alphabet. Well, now the moment has come, they felt the right to cry out for themselves: "Grab your bags - the station is leaving!" And with your petroleum jelly - to Geyrop! Yes, only this time it is not about a multi-vector policy, but about the choice between law and lawlessness, between exported genocide and the desire to coexist respecting the interests of each other, between good and evil.
  18. pensioner
    pensioner April 20 2014 08: 37
    +4
    what will result in increased tension in relations between Russia and the West for Kazakhstani multi-vector
    Russia and Kazakhstan so far (pah-pah) everything seems to be pretty good. Even with the example of our organization, this is felt. But what will happen after Nazarbayev’s departure? And as regards multi-veracity ... This same multi-vector approach has broken the ass of more than one Ukrainian president. So: comrades are Kazakhs! Do not repeat tricks from the Ukrainian circus!
  19. siberalt
    siberalt April 20 2014 08: 38
    0
    Yes, they have no "multi-vector" (so, for noodles to their people). There are several masters: USA, China and Russia (servant of three masters). So they maneuver between, that would please everyone and get themselves.
    1. sv68
      sv68 April 20 2014 11: 41
      -2
      sibiralt if my Russia was like you wrote a servant of three masters, then gentlemen it would have just been divided into pieces. Russia is a global strona, but not everyone understands this. You minus
  20. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina April 20 2014 08: 42
    -2
    Brothers in the CIS are playing something. I see only the position of the Belarusian Old Man, and Nazarbayev is silent, waiting. And they don’t think about their problems between south and north? Or they again hope that Russia will help them with their multi-vector nature. Russia needs to remember this and yet understand who you are a true friend and who is not very.
    1. Loki
      Loki April 20 2014 15: 39
      +10
      They may not like that from the side of Russia, at least in the social sphere, there are frank threats - they say, either do as we say, or there will be problems of the north and south. And any threat causes opposition and rejection. In addition, it is not clear what the article did not please? People write - they say we were confronted with a fact and now we may have problems because of this - such and such. And also the fact that what is happening in Ukraine may also be in Russia's favor, but Kazakhstan has not received any goodies (Crimea), but it is necessary to disentangle the consequences.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 20 2014 16: 36
        -5
        Come on, I wouldn’t put an ally on the fact of GDP. And if you set it, it means such an ally who is better off not saying anything so as not to flow away.
    2. Dani
      Dani April 20 2014 18: 35
      +3
      when I helped Northerner closer to me Kyrgyz than Russian
  21. andj61
    andj61 April 20 2014 09: 12
    +6
    Nazarbayev is a very smart person and tries not to give anyone the opportunity to accuse himself of anything. Such is the master of international dribbling. And in Kazakhstan there are already a lot of people who believe that the "sun-faced" and his family should leave. And here the Russian regions of Kazakhstan are an example of Crimea before our eyes, and there are not enough Kazakhs in the industry. Nazarbayev understands these virtual threats very well and tries not to aggravate the problems with the Russians, and he takes the threat of a color revolution seriously. But what will his successor do?
  22. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 20 2014 09: 43
    +3
    The main thing is that Kazakhstan does not commit Ukrainian mistakes. Then they will have a hard time.
    1. their
      their April 20 2014 09: 48
      -2
      Quote: Giant thought
      The main thing is that Kazakhstan does not commit Ukrainian mistakes. Then they will have a hard time.


      Everything goes to this, it will be bad for everyone, including Russia, if the elite of Kazakhstan sells itself to the bone to the Zionists.
  23. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx April 20 2014 09: 49
    0
    The "political elites" of all countries in ecstasy are spreading their legs before the "West"! Kazakhstan is no exception!
    1. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk April 21 2014 17: 51
      +1
      But harsh Mikhail Evgenievich is cancer!
  24. Arkan
    Arkan April 20 2014 09: 52
    -4
    Allies, however. Fellow travelers, temporary. May be waged, Afghanistan is not far.
  25. their
    their April 20 2014 09: 55
    0
    Ehud Barak came to the media forum in Almaty a week ago, as an expert. Recently, he has become frequent in Kazakhstan

    Following Ehud Olmert, another Israeli ex-prime minister is strengthening ties with the leadership of Kazakhstan, often visiting this republic, known for its large-scale reserves of minerals and energy resources. Ehud Barak flies to Astana for the "Mediaforum" organized by the president's daughter.

    Подробности: http://izrus.co.il/dvuhstoronka/article/2014-04-11/24167.html#ixzz2zP2i9Q61
    When using materials, a reference to "IzRus.co.il" is required.


    A week after the visit, the issue of Aniz Adam magazine is completely devoted to Adolf Hitler.

    The Fuhrer in gloss! Kazakhstan magazine called Hitler a legendary person! And scandalized all over the country. On the eve of the May holidays, Aniz Adam suddenly decided to devote its entire number to the dictator. Hitler flaunts on the cover, and all 50 pages of the magazine are only about him. One of the materials is called “Hitler is not a fascist”. Kazakhstan veterans are shocked by such a “gift” for Victory Day. And the Agency for Communications and Information has already stated that the magazine found signs of inciting ethnic hatred. At the same time, the editor-in-chief of the publication (by the way, a rather scandalous person) is absolutely calm and supposedly does not understand the hype.

    http://www.ktk.kz/ru/news/video/2014/4/18/27583

    In Ukraine, the Zionists support Bandera, in Kazakhstan they propagandize and whitewash Hitler to the Natsiks.

    Beautiful neighbors went to Russia ...
    1. romb
      romb April 20 2014 13: 11
      +4
      Do you even know what it is about?
      For fun, go to the nearest bookstore and see how much literature is there - biographies of Nazi leaders written in Russian.
    2. Guard
      Guard April 21 2014 00: 37
      +5
      Quote: sus
      A week after the visit, the issue of Aniz Adam magazine is completely devoted to Adolf Hitler.

      heard a ringing ...
      Actually, there are critical articles in relation to Hitler and his politics. We have torn off our head for 30 seconds for praising the ideas of Nazism.
      1. foxxi
        foxxi April 21 2014 07: 43
        +4
        Nope, much faster ... for many, the wick is short ... immediately explode ...
      2. Docent1984
        Docent1984 April 21 2014 17: 01
        +1
        Nazism in Kazakhstan is just as obsessed as in Russia. If I am not mistaken, there are about 90 nationalities living in the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and more than 160 in the territory of the Russian Federation. There is nothing to talk about at all.
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    1. sv68
      sv68 April 20 2014 11: 47
      +1
      mergen you just focus attention on those who really do not want to figure out who is who for Russia, we also have a bunch of okhlomons dissatisfied with absolutely everything and all but these individuals have no real weight and the main thing is marked by the next bastard towards Russia
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 April 20 2014 12: 22
      -1
      Reading one negative about my homeland, I understand that most of the Russians are hidden enemies for us who do not yet realize this.


      Can you essentially object? Where did Kazakhstan express its friendship with Russia?
      Recognized South Ossetia?
      Accession of the Crimea recognized?
      At the UN General Assembly, how does Kazakhstan vote? Let me remind you - abstains.
      Who tried to overcome Baikonur that year? Although the fuck he needs the Kazakhs? It’s clear for whom they tried.
      Kazakhstan entered the Customs Union - so naturally that it counts on profits. And when it turned out that trade did not grow, questions began, but what for do we need this TS? It is, of course, understandable that your pocket is closer to your body, but then you do something, and do not expect that Russia will pull you only because you deigned to enter the TS.

      In general, I can say that I am very, very disappointed in all the "fraternal peoples." Brothers - so far it is profitable, or while they are holding the crackpot, and as soon as you loosen your grip, and even the State Department will show you a cookie, everything, "you are not a brother to me, gni.da mos.cal.skaya."
      Although I understand that little depends on people here, questions to the elites. But ... then there is no sense in fraternization, since nothing depends on them.
      1. romb
        romb April 20 2014 14: 03
        +2
        And with what fright, should we recognize these territories?
        For reference: We and Kosovo did not recognize.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 April 20 2014 14: 25
          0
          Because you are allies. Although, given that you do not recognize - which allies ...
          1. romb
            romb April 20 2014 14: 42
            +4
            If you think that the allies are those who will gladly help in the extermination and in any aggravation of the consequences of the military conflict between the two fraternal republics of the former USSR, then I can only say: - "You clearly have a wrong understanding of allied relations."
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 April 20 2014 16: 43
              +3
              This, stop, who are we exterminating? And who is this "fraternal republic"? The one who "who does not jump, that mos.cal", "mos.kalyaku for gilyaku", brother - is Sashko Bilyi - Dudaev's guard? Or dill specialists for PU rozunskih Beeches?
              Russia does much less than it could and much less than it should. And forgives too much.
    3. pensioner
      pensioner April 20 2014 12: 40
      +1
      Quote: Mergen
      There are very few sober-minded people on the site

      Don’t tell ... It’s hard for you poor thing in such an environment recourse . Yes, even with your mental abilities wink . Well ... sorry crying .
    4. kare
      kare April 20 2014 13: 15
      +1
      Kazakhtar umutpandar babalarymyz not aitkan - dosyn rys bolsa sol kolynda balta bolsyn. Olar oiratka mytyk satkan, olar ashtan Kazakhs oltirgen, olar Bizdin tarikhimyzdy taptagan! Men of the wasp Kapir Saytan Ketem, Goat Orystyn Aramyn Tagyda Kordi, Orys Aram Kalyk. Kosh bolindar.

      My translator in Yandex cannot translate this created in cyrillic
      Shaitan however recourse
    5. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru April 20 2014 13: 22
      -2
      Quote: Mergen
      Kosh bolindar.

      They didn’t try to carve on a stone, eskenem?
    6. Shpagolom
      Shpagolom April 20 2014 13: 30
      +8
      .... Dear dos, the Russians are not enemies, but simply people who do not know Kazakhstan and the Kazakhs, I think all the trouble, we all see different things for the representatives of the Origin Juice, do not get mad at them
      1. their
        their April 20 2014 14: 14
        -9
        Quote: Shpagolom
        .... Dear dos, the Russians are not enemies, but simply people who do not know Kazakhstan and the Kazakhs, I think all the trouble, we all see different things for the representatives of the Origin Juice, do not get mad at them


        "Just people who don't know Kazakhstan"

        Hey, you connoisseur, we built your 2 grandfathers and great-great-grandfather personally when you were in your sheep aul in your Kazakhstan. When else was Russia there. You invaders will return to us our lands, how nice. Justice will triumph; on lies and Russophobia you will not build a state that is not made by you!
        1. Alibekulu
          April 20 2014 14: 35
          +4
          Quote: sus
          when you pass in your village sheep.
          Yeah, and even in the interval between the passer of rams, you sounded on the head .. It is clearly visible that until these days in the spring of aggravation .. laughing
          Quote: sus
          You invaders will return us our lands, as pretty.
          Chtoo hysteria. Come and return .. angry
          Quote: Mergen
          dosyn orys bolsa sol kolylda balta bolsyn.
          After the actions of the Kremlin in Ukraine, somehow came a deep awareness of the hidden meaning of this sacred phrase .. recourse
        2. Shpagolom
          Shpagolom April 20 2014 16: 36
          +12
          .... YOUR Kazakhstan do you say? ..... remember that when our parents and we built something in Kazakhstan, it was OUR ... our Soviet Kazakhstan, a fraternal republic where we did not divide anyone according to ethnicity .. ... and even after such statements you humiliate us Russians living in Kazakhstan, you insult the Kazakhs who sheltered tens of thousands of repressed on their land .... they themselves were undernourished but they shared a piece of bread with the exiled ..... they died in the Second World War together with ours grandfathers and also consider Victory Day their holiday ..... and so on ..... Have a conscience and do not write stupidity and rudeness! am
        3. Dani
          Dani April 20 2014 18: 52
          0
          what your grandfather did you in fact say where was russia, you think bread, minerals where they came from, and you know how many Kazakhs died due to the stupidity of one Russian "Philip Goloshchekin" from hunger, you do not know but I know "as a result during 1931— 1933 died from 1 million people. (Estimate by Robert Conquest) to 2 million people. (Estimate by Abylkhozhev, Kazynbaev and Tatimov, 1989). 48% of the indigenous population died and left the Kazakh ASSR "and you say a lot was done there were children who died of hunger when you ate, you understand half of the Kazakhs died and you say you must be a creature.
        4. Guard
          Guard April 21 2014 01: 00
          +4
          Quote: sus
          we this your Kazakhstan built my 2 grandfathers and great-grandfathers

          1) you are like "Aryan" blood, which means that your German grandfathers, if they built anything in Kazakhstan, then within the camp as labor army.
          2) secondly, if your grandfathers built something in the Kazakh SSR as free citizens, then they did this not because of an increased love for the Kazakhs, but because they were sent there on a routine basis, and, essentially, they paid money for it . or did your relatives work for free here? in Kazakhstan there was not a single idiot who would come from Bryansk on his own free will to work is free.
          3) why no one wants to remember the contribution of the Kazakh SSR to the restoration of the economy of the European part of the USSR? Tens of thousands of people from Kazakhstan went to Ukraine, Belarus, Russia in the post-war years to rebuild the national economy. Kazakhstan took patronage over entire regions and cities and provided them with foodstuffs, agricultural machinery, livestock for further reproduction, etc. At least once did the Kazakhs poke this? My grandfather rebuilt the Moscow region after the war. I never thought to reproach the Russians with this. The evacuees lived in the family of both my grandfathers. It never occurs to me to demand anything from the Russians now. By the way, one grandfather also adopted a German boy. What am I now - to demand "gratitude" from you personally and your people?
          3)
          Quote: sus
          when you pass in your village sheep.
          Yes, sheep grazed. They sent to Leningrad. Only Leningraders without arrogance ate this mutton and other products that were delivered along the way of life by Akmola drivers of the 310th Infantry Division. So bite your tongue the next time you decide to rebuke the Kazakhs in shepherding.
          4)
          Quote: sus
          When else was Russia there.
          When Kazakhstan was in Russia, the Germans remember well. From the walls of Moscow to the Reichstag.
          Kazakhs killed the enemy in Russia, because for them it was Kazakhstan. Kazakhs fought for Leningrad, because even centuries-old akyns believed that "Leningraders are my children, Leningraders are my pride."
          Quote: sus
          You invaders will return us our lands, as pretty.
          In Kazakhstan there is not a centimeter of your land. This land is strewn with mounds of nomads. Russian graves are only one hundred years old. And German graves appeared only in 1941 near Karlag. Do you want Kazakh land? Come, eat plenty of it. Without oil.
          1. Docent1984
            Docent1984 April 21 2014 17: 13
            +1
            Why are you so aggressive? I now live in a region where there are a lot of Kazakhs, both locals and from Kazakhstan. I myself sometimes go to RK for work. I can't say anything bad about the Kazakhs, on the contrary. I sincerely consider Kazakhs to be a fraternal people with a common history and common victories. And so the majority here thinks. It seems to me that you possess sufficient information - tell us about your vision of the reasons for the persecution of Russians in the early 90s and the nature of the transformation of attitudes towards the present. In March 92, my dear uncle, a Soviet Air Force pilot who served in Taldy-Kurgan, fled from there with his family, leaving almost all of his belongings, for some armed people came and said - "24 hours for you to do everything, so that tomorrow you will not be here anymore" ... Who were they and what is their position today? Do they have any weight in politics and public life today?
            1. Astana_555
              Astana_555 30 November 2015 15: 02
              0
              "24 hours for you to do everything, so that tomorrow you will not be here anymore" is a brazen and open lie! Why do all the losers who left their homeland in search of a better life in Raska have the same false story: we were forced to leave. 99,99% that this is a hoax, in which they themselves believed. Those who remained, for the most part, live well and are not oppressed by anyone. Estessn, if they themselves take steps towards this, work, work hard, earn with their minds. And not those who are just waiting for the state to help them, because they are a great nation, and all Kazakhs owe them in life for their great ancestors who built us a networked future
        5. foxxi
          foxxi April 21 2014 07: 47
          +3
          , why take it from him, if he believes in what he said, or if he is an enemy disguising himself as a Russian and inciting hatred and intolerance ... then he’ll count !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        6. kosta_cs
          kosta_cs April 21 2014 07: 50
          +3
          Quote: sus
          we this your Kazakhstan built my 2 grandfathers and great-grandfathers

          And my grandfathers and great-grandfathers defended the Soviet Union from the Nazis, but I do not scream about it for no reason at every corner, and I do not use it as an argument that now Russia must return the lands that they defended.
          To speculate with the deeds of ancestors is the work of unworthy descendants. You must argue with your deeds. Dumped to Russia in the 90s - that means he didn’t want to slurp shit of a difficult period and build a better life, now you don’t yell
          Quote: sus
          our lands
          .
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 April 20 2014 14: 28
        0
        Yes, it is clear that we do not know. But put yourself in our place. If someone told you that he is a friend, comrade and brother, and when a group of comrades from the Tambov forests in the gateway begins to approach, he will begin to show "multi-vector". How do you like such a friend? Is it necessary?
        1. foxxi
          foxxi April 21 2014 07: 50
          +3
          the "Tambov wolves" have not yet approached ... so they are more and more wailing and dumbfounded .. don't rush things.
      3. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 April 20 2014 17: 00
        0
        Shpagolom
        to us, representatives of aorys juz, everything is different

        what kind of "orys juz"? This is the first time I've heard such a name. And why did you decide for all Russians who knows what and what does not?
        1. Shpagolom
          Shpagolom April 20 2014 18: 18
          +5
          ... "Orys Juz" is not my authorship .... of a Kazakh comrade!
          .... Did I say for ALL Russians, many think differently of the author of that post to which I gave an answer ... or do you think differently?
        2. RusKaz
          RusKaz April 20 2014 21: 06
          +4
          Quote: TS3sta3
          what kind of "orys juz"?

          This is the 4th zhuz KZ)) Russian zhuz)
        3. kosta_cs
          kosta_cs April 21 2014 07: 55
          +6
          Here on the site it was once proposed to introduce the 4th zhuz in Kazakhstan - "Orys zhuz" with the clans "Orys", "Nemis", "Korey" and so on. for those who are historically not from Kazakhstan, but "soul and body" for Kazakhstan
    7. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 April 20 2014 17: 16
      +1
      Mergen
      dosyn orys bolsa sol kolylda balta bolsyn. Olar Oyratka myltyk satkan, olar ashtan Kazakhty oltirgen, olar bizdin tariymyzdy taptagan! Men wasps Capir Caitan Ketem, Kozim Orysyn Aramyn Tagyda Kordi, Orys Aram Kalyk. Kosh bolyndar.

      My Kazakh is certainly not good enough, but an approximate translation:

      the Russians armed the Oirats with guns (and they killed the Kazakhs), starved the Kazakhs, distorted our history. I see Shaitan, I see nasty Russian beasts, Russians of the Russian NXXX people. enough.

      I hope our Kazakh brothers will complement if I missed something.
    8. Dani
      Dani April 20 2014 18: 37
      +1
      dұrys sөzіn
    9. Che Guevara
      Che Guevara April 20 2014 20: 28
      +9
      Mergen, don’t be fooled by stupid comments, I don’t know a single Russian in Almaty who speaks bad about Kazakhs. And here the article is provocative, and the situation in the Russian Federation because of the USA and the ancient historical homeland of Russia (Kievan Rus) is very tense and of course the Russians want to rely on the shoulder of an ally and not on the multi-vector nature of the paid liberals. TS will tear everyone as an ace
  27. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 20 2014 10: 22
    -17%
    Let KAZAKHSTAN first give up the RUSSIAN regions with the RUSSIAN people living on them and then begin to talk about its dreams of becoming a regional power.
    1. their
      their April 20 2014 10: 26
      +1
      Let them stop writing lies in their history textbooks, in which Russophobia is full
      1. romb
        romb April 20 2014 13: 06
        +3
        Facts to the studio!
        1. their
          their April 20 2014 14: 21
          -4
          Quote: romb
          Facts to the studio!


          And what are you doing Zionist in Kazakhstan ?, read the history books of Kazakhstan. There you will see everything

          Do you know what Zionists unites you with Kazakhs and Ukrainians? - Russophobia

          Remember one thing - the Russians are coming back for their own, you will rake in any way.
          1. romb
            romb April 20 2014 14: 46
            +5
            Not only are you a Kazakhphobe, you are also an anti-Semite. The brain does not crush the cranium? wink
            1. their
              their April 20 2014 14: 54
              -5
              Quote: romb
              Not only are you a Kazakhphobe, you are also an anti-Semite. The brain does not crush the cranium? wink


              I am not a Kazakhphobe and not an anti-Semite, just someone is a Russophobe with an anti-Russian position.

              And you with the Israeli name Ron are probably Kazakh, as I understand it? /
              1. romb
                romb April 20 2014 15: 15
                +5
                Well, for some reason, according to your comments, you can feel it right now - phantom physical pain turning into a borderline mental state of fear and hatred of the Kazakhs.
                And you with the Israeli name Ron are probably Kazakh, as I understand it? /

                Yes, you .... Yeah, sure, you figured me out. That's right, my name is: Ron, and my last name is: Rhombus ... laughing
                1. Argyn-suindyk
                  Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 15: 38
                  +5
                  His wife must have been cheating with a Kazakh! Only this can explain this fierce anger towards the Kazakhs!
                  1. Guard
                    Guard April 21 2014 01: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: Argyn-Suindyk
                    His wife must have been cheating with a Kazakh! Only this can explain this fierce anger towards the Kazakhs!

                    Maybe. But in fact, all such tips were already crying here on the site that once in Kazakhstan, Kazakhs knocked out their teeth. It was also necessary to tear off his hands so that the garbage could not be printed and the peoples could not quarrel.
    2. sv68
      sv68 April 20 2014 11: 54
      +1
      cerbuk can you still demand and send all the Kazakhs out of Russia? REGIONAL POWER AND THE NACEPOLISTIC STATE TWO HUGE DIFFERENCES.
  28. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 20 2014 10: 24
    0
    The guys can’t forget 99.
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 April 20 2014 11: 53
      +3
      Nazarbayev is somewhat like Lukashenka. He de facto recognized the annexation of Crimea, and de jure began to dissemble, but still asked for Russian planes to reach its borders, and he does not put a stick in the wheels in the economy either. Both of them are the same, I want to sit on two chairs and suck milk from two queens! And what about Baikonur? What's Kazakh? Only the territory donated by Russia. Kazakhstan did not build anything there at all, and now they want a lot of money for "rent"! True, the fervor diminished greatly when they began to build the Vostochny cosmodrome in Russia. And the transfer of the capital to Astana? Yes, this is to gain a foothold in the territories thoughtlessly donated by Russia. Look even at the names of cities in northern Kazakhstan. There are no Kazakh names either. I don’t advocate returning truly Russian territories, but I don’t tolerate duplicity either!
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 20 2014 12: 32
        0
        But father does not sit on several chairs, but tries to sit on his own little bench. Nevertheless, you must admit that he does not go to the West.
      2. tokin1959
        tokin1959 April 20 2014 14: 46
        0
        The cost of Russian-made gas for Belarusians in 2014 may rise to $ 175 for 1 thousand cubic meters from $ 165,6, said First Deputy Prime Minister of Belarus Vladimir Semashko.


        and at these prices, dad Lukash will put wheels in the wheel in the economy?
        he doesn’t, but he can always bite his lactating hand.
        on the one hand, the Old Man launched 5 planes, and on the other, the NATO commission, he left on March 21.
        one statement that the Ukrainian military didn’t shoot at Russian soldiers in Crimea was worthless. recognition of Turchinov as legitimate.
        if Old Man put normal prices for gas and oil - the end of his socialism will come.
        Lukash - two-faced and skid.
        like Nazarbayev, he is trying to flirt with the Angosaxians, with the Turks - he thinks he is type, independent and independent. and after all, for both of them, Kazakhs are third-class people, they need territories and resources, and Kazakhs are an instrument for them.
        1. Astana_555
          Astana_555 30 November 2015 15: 30
          0
          "But for both, Kazakhs are third-class people, they need territories and resources, and Kazakhs are a tool for them" I am tea, this is completely your opinion on the "brotherly" people
      3. Guard
        Guard April 21 2014 01: 27
        +4
        Quote: Saratoga833
        I want to sit on two chairs and suck milk from two queens!

        Is it about Russian politics before a quarrel with the West?
        Quote: Saratoga833
        And what about Baikonur? What's Kazakh? Only the territory donated by Russia. Kazakhstan did not build anything there at all, and now they want a lot of money for "rent"! True, the fervor diminished greatly when they began to build the Vostochny cosmodrome in Russia.

        1) Baikonur was built by the entire USSR, not by the "Russian people". And decisions were made by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and not by the "Russian Assembly". If you think that you have the right to demand Baikonur, then please return everything that was withdrawn from the bowels of the Kazakh SSR during all Soviet years. There will be a sum for a hundred cosmodromes. And at the same time, in this case, Kazakhstan has the right to reimbursement of costs incurred during the restoration of the European part of the RSFSR after the war, and also has the right to take some of the BAM and other Komsomol construction projects in Russia, where the republic was sponsored. Well, if you calculate how much Russia owes for the republic's contribution during the war years, then I'm afraid you won't have enough money to pay off. What would the "Russian people" do without Azerbaijani and Kazakh oil? 9 out of 10 bullets during the war were made of Kazakh lead. Let's start counting who owes whom, or stop the nonsense about Baikonur?
        2) We did not intend and are not going to raise the price for renting a spaceport. Moreover, the Kazakhs offer to abolish it altogether and offer their money to the development of the cosmodrome. You read less hysterical articles thieving officials of Roscosmos.
        Quote: Saratoga833
        And the transfer of the capital to Astana? Yes, this is to gain a foothold in the territories thoughtlessly donated by Russia.

        There are no "Russian lands" in Kazakhstan. Kazakhs live on their own land and lived there when the Russians, under the leadership of the Scandinavian princes, took Kiev from the Khazars.

        Quote: Saratoga833
        Look even at the names of cities in northern Kazakhstan. There are no Kazakh names there.
        OK. Then, according to this logic, Kazakhs have the right to return Russian lands where Turkic place names are found - from Astrakhan and Tyumen to river basins with names such as Ural / Yaik / Zhayyk, Irtysh / Ertis, Tobol, Ishim / Yesil, etc.
        By the way, are you going to return the rivers with Finno-Ugric names "Moscow" and "Volga" to the Finns? If you are ready to give it back, then let me remind you that only part of the Big River is called the Volga. The main part of the river is called Edil (Ittil). And before it became the "Great Russian River", it was the sacred Kazakh river - Ak Edil.
        Quote: Saratoga833
        I do not advocate returning truly Russian territories
        Yes, that's why you are not advocating, since "truly Russian lands" are located in Ukraine. And then - along some rivers. And before that, your lands were somewhere in Central Europe, until the Germans drove you into the "Scythian" limits in the 7th century. So it is not to us that we need to make claims about the "lost" lands, but to Germany laughing Although other Germans (from Scandinavia) helped you create a state. Butt with them for the "ancestral lands". And we don't have your lands.
  29. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. April 20 2014 11: 52
    +6
    This is not the first time Russia has put its partners in a position of choice, that is, it has actually taken steps that cause us image-building, reputational damage ..... This was the case with Kosovo, this was the case with Georgia, this is the case with Ukraine.

    Russia is to blame again. It is not Russia that puts partners in a position of choice; it is they are trying to put Russia in a position. By depriving her of her choice, since she was independent for the main part of her history. She never had a multi-vector issue, in the sense in which it is understood in the post-Soviet space, there have always been forces to pursue an independent policy. The ancestors of today's Kazakhs understood this well, they also had no choice. Now they would be listening to news from China "warlike Kazakhs cut passengers at the station", if there were still. All this multi-vector is an indicator that Russia has weakened somewhat at the turn of these centuries. At the same time, the Americans are not wasting their time. Radical nationalism is what really separates the post-Soviet countries from Russia. Everyone can see examples - the Baltics, Ukraine. Apparently, Kazakhstan wants the same. At first, just nationalism, radicals will not come right away (they are not yet there, except for a few). In the meantime, such articles (Russia is to blame), interesting magazines (by the way, a test of public opinion), exclamations of individual citizens.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. April 20 2014 12: 15
      +3
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      Let KAZAKHSTAN first give up RUSSIAN areas

      In general, I am strongly opposed to such statements, I died so died. Such questions, in my opinion, are raised only in one case, when they themselves provoke the Russians. Those. when radical nationalism becomes state policy, as in Ukraine.
  30. sv68
    sv68 April 20 2014 11: 59
    0
    but in general, what the hell just stupidly zamusinuyut article, or decided to punish the author for the written material such as it is not said and not written correctly?
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    2. Semurg
      Semurg April 20 2014 12: 39
      +4
      Quote: sv68
      but in general, what the hell just stupidly zamusinuyut article, or decided to punish the author for the written material such as it is not said and not written correctly?

      This is called who is not with us who is against us (absolute unwillingness to hear an alternative opinion). On the topic, the authors write correctly RK, it is necessary to continue the begun line to multi-vector and a strong roll in one direction is not needed. According to territorial claims, the National Academy of Sciences correctly conducts a policy that gives us Kazakhs the next 25-20 years of peace, so that we can solve our internal demographic situation. For those who offer to buy everything in the Republic of Kazakhstan from the latest news, Lukoil sold the field to the Chinese for 1.2 billion, I think the Chinese will slowly squeeze Russians out of the Republic of Kazakhstan and Middle Asia and the more Russians write about the original Russian lands in the Republic of Kazakhstan, the faster the extrusion will be.
    3. koshh
      koshh April 20 2014 14: 16
      +2
      Is she good? He is trying to gradually push us against the Kazakhs, to awaken or at least to throw the seed of rejection and misunderstanding between the Russians and the Kazakhs. After all, no one instructed the authors to carry into our heads "new, bright" on behalf of the Kazakh people (perhaps the CIA). This is how the "Maidan" is being forged gradually.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 20 2014 14: 36
        +1
        The article reflects the truth, unfortunately. Russia has only three allies - the army, navy and strategic missile forces. We must accept this and not have brotherly feelings for anyone. Look, there were Slavic brothers - Bulgarians, Serbs. Where are these brothers now? That's right, some in the EU and NATO, while others climb there, despite the fact that they are beaten with their shovels along their faces. There were Georgian brothers whom we can say we saved, and with whom we fought not so long ago? There were even Russian brothers in the Baltic republics. They remained there, although it is very hard for them there, but they are free Schengen.
        What is the conclusion from this? A Russian is someone who lives in Russia. Submits to its laws, works for the good of Russia and protects it. Everyone else is just different people. They can speak Russian or be Slavs. There may be many among them who have a good attitude towards Russia. And you can even be friends with some of them. But there can be no friendship in international relations. Friendship is friendship, but politics is politics. As well as economics - economics. How many dill were fed with cheap gas, atolka? All the same "klyaty mos.kali".
  31. Stavros
    Stavros April 20 2014 12: 37
    +5
    At a UN GA vote in Crimea, the fraternal republics of the CIS clearly showed who is friend, who is enemy.
    1. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 14: 57
      +9
      Not only Kazakhstan abstained, but also the vaunted allies of China, Brazil, Argentina! So take courage with you Honduras!
  32. combat66
    combat66 April 20 2014 12: 37
    +3
    Everything is quite clear. Like any state with a "small" economy, Kazakhstan is in the orbit of more powerful economically powers. The law of physics, where energy is more powerful, will drag there ... in the future. The current leadership of Kazakhstan understands perfectly well that if it were not for the Russian Federation, it would have had "orange dances" too. Do they need it? You can of course integrate with Mongolia fellow and it’s very hard to get into China. But there are guarantees that you will not become another province of China, with all that it implies. What did Russia give? Yes, at least a guarantee of centuries of integrity and life of a whole nation - Kazakhs!
  33. combat66
    combat66 April 20 2014 13: 00
    +6
    Quote: Mergen
    Kazakhtar umutpandar babalarymyz not aitkan - dosyn rys bolsa sol kolynda balta bolsyn. Olar oiratka mytyk satkan, olar ashtan Kazakhs oltirgen, olar Bizdin tarikhimyzdy taptagan! Men of the wasp Kapir Saytan Ketem, Goat Orystyn Aramyn Tagyda Kordi, Orys Aram Kalyk. Kosh bolindar.

    Nifiga did not understand, but put a plus! wink From fraternal Belarusian solidarity. No need to be offended, he is Russian in Africa too - Russian, he’s banging, cursing, drinking vodka, maybe he can send, But! No offense. smile
  34. wax
    wax April 20 2014 13: 06
    +9
    All who turned away from the alliance with Russia only lost. Everything that the neighbors of Russia have, they received thanks to the unity with Russia. Russia is the only example of a country that pursued a policy of leveling the standard of living, preserving and developing multinational cultures. When I was a child, I read the Kyrgyz epic "Manas". The Kazakh "Kozy-Korpesh and Bayan-Sulu" and "Kyz-Zhibek" are magnificent. Russia has also anxiously preserved the legacy of the centuries of these peoples, as well as themselves. Look what the British did in India, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the British in America, what was done to the Indians. Now, look how the ancient cultures are ruthlessly destroyed in the cradle of humanity in Mesopotamia and Palestine (Iraq, Syria, etc.). Barbarians with tomahawks need mankurt, divided into teips, weak defenseless states. Indeed, the crimes of the new colonialists, the masters of the world, pale before the crimes of the previous centuries. Their actions lead to the revival of barbarism.
  35. romb
    romb April 20 2014 14: 04
    +2
    I am tormented by vague suspicions that most of the indignant commentators have not even read the article: - "niasilil, bukaf is a lot." I, being a citizen of Kazakhstan, agree with the main theses set out in this article. We should not, although in truth, we will not be able to close ourselves off from the influence of the rest of the world. It is stupid to withdraw into isolation, which will definitely stall the economic, socio-political development of Kazakhstan - it is clearly not the path along which we - at the very least, but are moving. To be frank, my personal view from the outside is that modern Russian diplomacy clearly lacks the art of soft diplomacy in relations with its yesterday's brothers and sisters in the Union. Wasn't it possible to work out in advance measures, if not neutralizing, then at least reducing future friction with their neighbors. Georgia and Ukraine are clear examples of how you can waste the huge carte blanche that Russia had in the beginning. You need to be able to build peaceful and friendly relations with neighbors based on the conditions of mutual trust and respect. In order to be respected, you do not always need to mindlessly nightmare and rattle weapons.
    1. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 15: 06
      +4
      Still would!? It’s dangerous to sail in the same boat with a man who just grabs a pin of a grenade, and his banderdogs are buried in your rations!
    2. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian April 20 2014 21: 33
      0
      In order to be respected you do not always need to recklessly nightmare and rattle your weapons.

      Respected for 23 years after the collapse, Russia has never rattled with weapons, is it not clear that it is being forced and forced to do this, since our Western "friends" under the guise of "oh well, don't be offended by a Russian peasant, just take it as it is," the borders of Russia ... Syria began in 2011, now the conflict has slowly migrated to Europe ... the whole emphasis rushes to Ukraine, which country of the former USSR will be next. When the enemy is at your borders, you must not only rattle your weapon, but also uncover and twist the bolt to repulse. In Russia, there has never been a policy of an aggressor, everyone who came to Russia with a sword from the sword and died. Don't touch us and live in peace with us. Then you will not be swept away and destroyed - the Great Patriotic example of this.
  36. mira. 36
    mira. 36 April 20 2014 14: 07
    +4
    They lived for 3 years in Pavlodar. In the store and the market, the goods are only Chinese and Russian. The sellers praise the latter, of course. There is constant fear among Russians, as well as in Ukraine, the abolition of the language. But all this in the future, when there will be Nazarbayev. Only on him authority sits a country.
    1. Guard
      Guard April 21 2014 01: 39
      +6
      Quote: mira.36
      We lived for 3 years in Pavlodar. In the store and the market, the goods are only Chinese and Russian.

      Duc, and in Soviet times, Kazakhstan practically did not produce consumer goods. We had a different orientation, if forgotten. KazSSR - was a raw material base (hydrocarbons, metals, uranium) and a supplier of meat and grain. Plus some military products. Kazakhstan repeatedly offered the Center to diversify the economy, but Kunaev was constantly denied and was directly told that the republic was required to be a supplier of raw materials and grain.
      Quote: mira.36
      there is constant fear among Russians, as well as in Ukraine - the abolition of the language
      Well, if a person is dumb, then let him continue to be afraid. Or at least once switch from Russian TV channels to Kazakhstan. Maybe then they will hear that state ideology is aimed at the trilingualism of Kazakhstanis. And not to build a monolingual community, as the Russian media broadcast about it.

      Quote: mira.36
      But all this is in perspective, when there will be Nazarbayev.
      So why should they wait for his death? Let them go right away whoever wants to. Personally, I have no fear of post-Nazarbayev time. There will be another president. No worse than previous leaders. We had no problems with this. And there is no reason that the next president will turn out to be an idiot, a chauvinist or helpless. The Kazakhs never had any special problems with the rulers. Features of national history.
  37. Argyn-suindyk
    Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 14: 36
    +3
    Kazakhstanis, if we are judged by such articles, we must judge Russians by Russian marches! And the more often I hear about claims to northern Kazakhstan, the less I want to see and hear Russians in Kazakhstan! This is my opinion and of many Kazakhs, but the official position of the head of state can be seen in an interview with central Kazakhstani channels on YouTube: Nazarbayev on Ukraine: an end to US domination! By the way, at the beginning of April, article 170 of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Kazakhstan "Separatism" was added to the Criminal Code, where any calls, including peaceful public ones, about changing the territorial integrity and promoting the disintegration of the state, face from 5 to 10 years! Let me also remind you of the effect of the 1993 Minsk Convention on Legal Assistance in Civil, Family and Criminal Cases, according to which any veteran of the Battle of Kulikovo and a participant in local kitchen Internet battles can be attracted and extradited to Kazakhstan (as well as to the Russian Federation).
    1. their
      their April 20 2014 14: 42
      -3
      Many areas of the KZ were presented to you by the Russian Empire and the USSR. What separatism, it is the original Russian lands that are temporarily occupied by you and will be returned as soon as the level of Russophobia is at the level of today's Ukraine.

      You will respect the Russians in Kazakhstan, and appreciate what was gifted and created by the Russians, you will not lose anything and will live in sovereign Kazakhstan.
      1. romb
        romb April 20 2014 14: 57
        -1
        Personally, I will answer: - "Come, try to take our land. For you, that personal experience was not enough? Do you want to clean it up again?" wink
        1. Scandinavian
          Scandinavian April 20 2014 21: 50
          -2
          romb KZ Today, 14: 57 ↑

          Personally, I will answer: - "Come, try to take our land. For you, that personal experience was not enough? Do you want to clean it up again?" wink


          Why are you talking nonsense people that the Russians need the northern territories of Kazakhstan? All this is said by the Russians and Russians living in the Republic of Kazakhstan simply on emotions, it is simply not necessary to deny the historical events and facts that these territories were once, namely in 1936, Russia transferred to Kazakhstan only in order to give the status of a union republic with the name Kazakh Soviet The Socialist Republic, just like after tsarist Russia in 1920, transferred the territories of Novorossiya to the Ukrainian SSR (present-day Donetsk, Kharkov, Odessa, Lugansk, etc.). You can't argue with the facts, there are relevant documents that are stored in the archives. In general, I would like to strictly emphasize that Russia will never have claims to Kazakhstan in the northern territories. Russia would have to deal with its territories. And treat the Russians living in the Republic of Kazakhstan without an accent with the smell "that the Russians have exploited us Kazakhs for 70 years, now it is our turn to take revenge on you" and the Russians and we Kazakhstanis will live in peace, harmony and tranquility.
          1. romb
            romb April 20 2014 21: 59
            +3
            You look carefully - to whom, and most importantly, why I wrote this comment. Questions I think will disappear.
      2. Dani
        Dani April 20 2014 19: 29
        +3
        which in fact
    2. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 April 20 2014 17: 22
      +1
      the less I want to see and hear Russians in Kazakhstan

      bear with what you have to do.
      1. Argyn-suindyk
        Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 18: 19
        +2
        You will be a target in my country if you yelp for northern Kazakhstan (although earlier Kazakhstani Russians themselves will shut their mouths because they have a homeland-Kazakhstan)!
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 April 20 2014 19: 10
          +4
          reading the posts of some Kazakh brothers (including people like you) it is clear that we, Russians, have long been a target, and precisely because they are Russians.
          1. Argyn-suindyk
            Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 19: 28
            +2
            A similar attitude applies to those who speak about the integrity of the Republic of Kazakhstan and no more! Do not make us demons, we are friends, get married, drink and play sports with the Russians! But when it comes to territories, whether you are at least someone, at least a Russian, even a Uyghur or Kurd will be a target! The West’s task is to prevent us from concluding EurAsEC and who is trying to arrange a srach, casting doubt on the primacy of the Kazakh lands, is simply doing the work of the State Department! A multi-vector policy of the Republic of Kazakhstan is a necessity, because we still live off oil and gas! And so nothing personal!
            1. TS3sta3
              TS3sta3 April 20 2014 19: 45
              +3
              I personally did not make a speech about the territories and did not insult or threaten the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan, and always treated each person individually, depending on his behavior. and respect those who threaten me, I do not have to.
              Argyn-suindyk
              You will be targeted in my country

              Nothing personal at all.
              1. Argyn-suindyk
                Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 20: 37
                +2
                You got into my argument with the sas provocateur!
                1. TS3sta3
                  TS3sta3 April 20 2014 20: 49
                  +2
                  you specifically spoke about the Russians living in Kazakhstan, and not about sas and his opinion.
  38. ehomenkov
    ehomenkov April 20 2014 14: 54
    +3
    The mistake of our Kazakhstan leadership is precisely in the matter of language. If you left it initially as it is, so many mistakes could have been avoided. Indeed, in general - the policy in all areas was adequate - everyone believed Nazarbayev - and even were proud of him - as Russians are now proud of Putin. Our president spoke to the opinions of advisers from abroad - hence the revision of history for grandeur, the revision of the past ... After all, Kazakhstan , just as Ukraine should be grateful to the USSR - they were made by the state with all the preferences laid ... Well, they would have left everything as it is, then - gradually, the Russians would leave. and the Kazakhs would return, and would remain partners, grateful to each other for their help and support for each other in times of catastrophe ... But - no - the law on the language - no matter how it is interpreted - for the Russians it means one thing - a suitcase, a train station, Russia ... So there went confusion - the Kazakhs look at this mess with regret but do nothing - state policy - learn the language - and do not dare to even think in Russian in Kazakhstan ...
    1. Zymran
      Zymran April 20 2014 14: 59
      +4
      In principle, I support the Russian language as the second state language, but subject to suspension of integration and revision of the legislation of the Customs Union, and ideally, exit from it.

      The maximum you need is a Free Trade Zone with Russia and Belarus.
    2. their
      their April 20 2014 15: 02
      -2
      Quote: ehomenkov
      The mistake of our Kazakhstan leadership is precisely in the matter of language. If you left it initially as it is, so many mistakes could have been avoided. Indeed, in general - the policy in all areas was adequate - everyone believed Nazarbayev - and even were proud of him - as Russians are now proud of Putin. Our president spoke to the opinions of advisers from abroad - hence the revision of history for grandeur, the revision of the past ... After all, Kazakhstan , just as Ukraine should be grateful to the USSR - they were made by the state with all the preferences laid ... Well, they would have left everything as it is, then - gradually, the Russians would leave. and the Kazakhs would return, and would remain partners, grateful to each other for their help and support for each other in times of catastrophe ... But - no - the law on the language - no matter how it is interpreted - for the Russians it means one thing - a suitcase, a train station, Russia ... So there went confusion - the Kazakhs look at this mess with regret but do nothing - state policy - learn the language - and do not dare to even think in Russian in Kazakhstan ...


      In Kazakhstan, as in Ukraine, the Zionists rule the nat. a question. The Kazakhs have nothing to do with them being paid - they do, lured individuals are engaged in Russophobia and the eradication of all Russian in Kazakhstan, their minority are from the Kazakh population, but they constantly hold positions in the government. Renaming streets, destroying Russian monuments, squeezing out Russian is their main work. And of course the fake story on the grants of the Zionist Soros.

      They think that in Russia the blind do not see what is happening in Kazakhstan, and they don’t know how Russians have been oppressed and discriminated against for all 23 years.
      1. Argyn-suindyk
        Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 15: 26
        +4
        About the oppression of Russians is old and not convincing. Let the Kazakhs speak for themselves in Kazakhstan, and not provocateurs beaming! Kazakhstan is a peace-loving state, and with all the desire to resist the military power of Russia in the event of aggression, is therefore not able to multi-vector measure forced. GDP and others should know that if something happens there are many who want to install Pershing and Tomahawks under their belly, and in Aktau the nth NATO fleet in the Caspian Sea! There is no friendship in politics, friendship can be between people and only at work, in the neighborhood, etc. And politics is determined by economics is a dogma, and no one swears friendship and Russians in Kazakhstan will live as Kazakhs lived in the Kazakh SSR.
        1. romb
          romb April 20 2014 15: 44
          +2
          The Russian question in Kazakhstan is largely built on Russia's desire to have a trump card in the sleeve, which can be used in case of any complications with us.
          At the same time, the Russian leadership is well aware that this situation has a downside. If the Russian propaganda machine, suddenly, takes and overdoes it, putting this "question" in the wrong angle, as a result of which another massive outflow of the Russian population from Kazakhstan begins, then in this case, the so-called "Russian World" will be narrowed down to the scale of Russia itself, and Kazakhstan, on the contrary, will withdraw from the zone of direct influence of its northern neighbor. This option will only testify to another geopolitical failure of Russia.
          1. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 April 20 2014 17: 36
            +1
            Quote: romb
            The Russian question in Kazakhstan is largely built on Russia's desire to have a trump card in the sleeve, which can be used in case of any complications with us.
            At the same time, the Russian leadership is well aware that this situation has a downside. If the Russian propaganda machine, suddenly, takes and overdoes it, putting this "question" in the wrong angle, as a result of which another massive outflow of the Russian population from Kazakhstan begins, then in this case, the so-called "Russian World" will be narrowed down to the scale of Russia itself, and Kazakhstan, on the contrary, will withdraw from the zone of direct influence of its northern neighbor. This option will only testify to another geopolitical failure of Russia.

            lying on a lie sits and chases a lie.
            1. romb
              romb April 20 2014 18: 55
              +1
              It is quite possible that you like the form of presentation of information that is being poured from the Russian media, only it has little to do with the real state of affairs. In both Russia and Kazakhstan, all this encouraging rhetoric is nothing more than a camouflaged attempt to strengthen the personality cult of the leaders of our states.
              1. TS3sta3
                TS3sta3 April 20 2014 19: 53
                0
                I'm looking for facts and do not look zomboyaschik, do not speak for me what I like and what does not. The authorities through the media unleash tension and hostility, promoting lies not only and not so much Russia and Kazakhstan, rather the opposite. and you understand this, participate, force and ignite.
                1. romb
                  romb April 20 2014 20: 06
                  +2
                  I disagree. To get started, read what the vast majority of Russian commentators write, and then start hanging labels.
                  1. TS3sta3
                    TS3sta3 April 20 2014 20: 17
                    0
                    You mean that they kindle, perhaps, but you do the same. then than you are better than them if they become like them.
                    1. romb
                      romb April 20 2014 20: 42
                      +1
                      Maybe?
                      Well you are burning. repeat For such calls, they need to be planted.
                      I do not kindle, but simply, I am trying to bring to their attention that their fantasies of an inflamed mind are read not only by them, but also by representatives of other nations and states. And they, from everything read, draw the appropriate conclusions about the whole people. So it’s interesting what Russian commentators are guided by when writing such an amount of frank delirium, and thereby - why, and for what purpose create an atmosphere of general distrust of Russia and the Russian people in particular?
                      1. TS3sta3
                        TS3sta3 April 20 2014 21: 03
                        +1
                        their posts have angered you - incitement to hatred
                        you answered the same - inciting hatred
                        primitive emotions obscure the brains and make of all animals. there will be a massacre; don't forget that it is your merit and your comrades.
                      2. romb
                        romb April 20 2014 21: 23
                        +4
                        Arrived. Kindle some, but others are to blame. In our case, on the part of the Kazakhs there is no hostility towards the Russian people. But on the part of a considerable number of Russians, just the same neglect is clearly slipping.
                        Regarding our alleged guilt, do not be offended, but many Russians want to dominate, and far from all of them are drawn to this role. Consequently, to them, by virtue of their powerlessness, it only remains that they are indignant and look for the guilty among other peoples. It may already be enough to suffer the complex of an older brother, but instead, it is worth revising the relationship with other nations in the direction of mutual understanding and respect for the opinions of others?
                      3. TS3sta3
                        TS3sta3 April 20 2014 21: 38
                        0
                        everyone and everyone who kindles and participates. the internet is full of "Russians", "Kazakhs", etc. "" "" ". the same" Crimean woman, the daughter of an officer. "The goal is one. I clarify, answering the ignition to the ignition - stand in one row. only argumentation, not emotions. want - continue. your business.
    3. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 April 20 2014 17: 34
      -1
      Let the Kazakhs speak for themselves

      if you insist, then: personally, I and my relatives and friends of my relatives have repeatedly heard the revelations of our Kazakh brothers that "as soon as Nazarbayev leaves, we will cut you out." I told earlier, but I repeat, classes with the Russian language of instruction are closed, as a result, my niece, who switched to the Kazakh language of instruction, began to lag behind her peers. it's good that the class was graduation, now she entered a Russian university. soft power, cho say.
      Russians in Kazakhstan will live as the Kazakhs lived in the Kazakh SSR

      tell about kunaev. are we going to live like that?
      1. Argyn-suindyk
        Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 18: 23
        +4
        Lying on a lie! My daughter is studying in an ordinary non-specialized secondary school in the 7th grade and more hours are given in Russian literature and Russian than in Kazakh language and literature!
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 April 20 2014 19: 13
          0
          No, its true.
          I don’t know about your daughter (as you do about my niece), so I don’t speak.
      2. Kazbek
        Kazbek April 20 2014 21: 24
        +3
        Quote: TS3sta3
        classes with the Russian language of instruction are being closed
        Well, as it were, did not try to give birth? lol
        TS3sta3 also claims that in the Republic of Kazakhstan there is no possibility of training in the native (Russian) language negative
        Although I, a Kazakh, studied in Russian in kindergarten, at school, and in high school .. request
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 April 20 2014 21: 45
          +1
          Well, as it were, did not try to give birth?

          I speak for my brother's family - it copes perfectly - three daughters. one went to study in Russia, the second went to school - with the Russian language only in elementary class, the third has not even reached the kindergarten yet.
          TS3sta3 still claims that in the Republic of Kazakhstan there is no possibility of studying in their native (Russian) language

          I argued not this, reread carefully.
          Although I, a Kazakh, studied in Russian, both in kindergarten, in school, and in the university.

          conditions change every year and not frozen for decades.

          if you don’t want to believe, it’s not necessary, but you don’t need to speak for Russians and our problems. ostrich position.
  • romb
    romb April 20 2014 15: 09
    +1
    I will not deny the positive aspects, they really are. But even at that time, being silent about the enormous volume of those problems that the Union left behind us was also not true. It is because of the stupid and disregard for the land and the environment, more than thirty percent of the territory of Kazakhstan are in the zone of environmental disaster. The negative consequences of this kind of activity, for many more years will undermine the life and health of millions of citizens of Kazakhstan. Also, it was thanks to the USSR that the Kazakh people lost almost half of their numbers. In a word, the Kazakhs paid for the Soviet achievements in full.
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 April 20 2014 17: 38
      -2
      thanks to the USSR, the Kazakh people lost almost half of their numbers.

      What is your evidence?
      1. romb
        romb April 20 2014 18: 49
        +4
        Look in google, there is a lot of information about the consequences of collectivization. If we talk about my family, then on the part of my father - out of 7 children, only three remained alive by the mid-thirties. Three sons - the eldest brother, grandfather and the youngest. Moreover, even they, because of their origin, almost fell under the rink of political repression. Subsequently, all three participated in the Second World War.
        On the mother’s side, two out of 9 children survived. Young guy and a girl. hi
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 April 20 2014 19: 24
          -1
          found:
          the number of Kazakhs in the Kazakh SSR:
          1926 g. - 3 627 612 people
          1989 g. - 6 534 616 people
          and where is it
          thanks to the USSR, the Kazakh people lost almost half of their numbers.
          ?
          1. romb
            romb April 20 2014 19: 39
            +5
            Census of the Russian Empire in 1897
            Kazakhs: 4 084 139 people

            And here is the All-Union Population Census of 1939.
            Kazakhs already: 3 100 949 people

            Do not find it strange statistics in which the people who did not have big problems with the birth rate didn’t increase over forty years, but just the opposite, they managed to decrease by a million souls.
            If you are going to operate with numbers, do it extremely delicately. For us, these are not just numbers, they are our relatives!
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            2. TS3sta3
              TS3sta3 April 20 2014 20: 14
              0
              If you are going to operate with numbers, do it extremely delicately.

              I return your request to you, because as you specifically indicated about the "loss of half of the population under the USSR", so what you led the Russian empire to is not at all clear.
              the people did not have big birth problems

              This is a controversial statement. I will give my reasons, and you yours.
              Until the Soviet Union, the Kazakhs were a nomadic people — they had been wandering by auls or clans for centuries. approximately this process can be compared with the Chukchi or Yakuts. they also lead a nomadic lifestyle. thanks to the huge spaces and distances, nomads rarely intersect, respectively, and few opportunities to create a social unit. as evidence - look at the number of Chukchi and Yakuts and compare with any people who are sedentary and engaged in farming. therefore, to talk about the absence of problems is wrong.
              and more, in 1897g. the number of Kazakhs is not 4 084 139, but 3 392 751.
              1. romb
                romb April 20 2014 20: 27
                +1
                Here are the official data:
                http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97.php
                1. TS3sta3
                  TS3sta3 April 20 2014 20: 40
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                  according to this census, the Kazakhs were counted together with the Kyrgyz as one people, therefore 4 084 139 - Kazakhs + Kyrgyz, if we take away the number of Kyrgyz, we get the number of the Kazakh population - 3 392 751.
                  the same is written there - Kyrgyz-Kaisack.
                  and again we are talking about the Russian empire, although the conversation was for the USSR.
                  be correct.
                  1. romb
                    romb April 20 2014 20: 44
                    +2
                    Data on the Kyrgyz one line below - Kara-Kyrgyz!
                    1. TS3sta3
                      TS3sta3 April 20 2014 21: 09
                      0
                      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C_%D
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                      %B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8_(18
                      97 )
                      The census in the Central Asian interpretations is far from accurate and incomplete and contains a number of significant shortcomings. For example, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz in some areas (Semirechenskaya, Syrdarya) are considered together, whereas these are two different peoples
                    2. TS3sta3
                      TS3sta3 April 20 2014 21: 16
                      0
                      http://www.rusnauka.com/17_AVSN_2012/Istoria/1_112292.doc.htm
                      I was right.
                    3. romb
                      romb April 20 2014 21: 31
                      +4
                      The specified document (the opinion of a private person) does not provide a link to the official source of the census of the Russian Empire. An official census conducted by a specialized authorized state body is considered a document confirming the size and status of the people-population of the corresponding territory all over the world.
                    4. TS3sta3
                      TS3sta3 April 20 2014 21: 58
                      0
                      This document (the opinion of a private individual) does not provide a reference to the official census source of the population of the Russian Empire.

                      everything is there:
                      Doctor of History, Professor KazNU them. Al-Farabi, Almaty (Kazakhstan) Asylbekova Zh.M.-A.

                      1 Kazakhs. Historical and ethnographic study. - Almaty: Kazakhstan, 1995. -352 with.
                      2 Bekmakhanova N.E. The multinational population of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan in the era of capitalism (60-ies of the XIX century - 1917). -M .: Science, 1986. –C.142-144; Alekseenko N.V. Population of pre-revolutionary Kazakhstan (size, location, composition) 1870-1914 Alma-Ata: Science, 1981. –C.48
                      3 First General Census of the Russian Empire 1897 of the Year. -T.2. -C.42-43; -T.81. -C.1-3; -T. 82. -C.2-3; -T.84. -S.5; -T.85. –C.5; -T. 86. –C.4 .; -T.87. -S.4; -T. 88. -C.2-3.
                      4 Asylbekov M.Kh., Galiev A.B. Socio-demographic processes in Kazakhstan (1917-1980). -Alma-Ata: Gylym, 1991. with. Xnumx
                      5 Asylbekov M.Kh., Galiev A.B. Socio-demographic processes in Kazakhstan (1917-1980). -Alma-Ata: Gylym, 1991. with. Xnumx
                      6 History of population censuses and ethno-demographic processes in Kazakhstan. –Almaty: Kazstatinform, 1998. - 87 with.
                      7 Kozina V. Population of Central Kazakhstan (late XIX century - 30-ies of XX century.). –Almaty: Orkeniet, 2000. –C.62.
                      8 Dachshleiger GF Socio-economic transformation in the village and the village of Kazakhstan (1921-1929). Alma-Ata: Science, 1965. -WITH. 72-73.
                      9 Kozina V. Population of Central Kazakhstan (late XIX century - 30-ies of XX century.). –Almaty: Orkeniet, 2000. –C.60
                      10 First General Census of the Russian Empire 1897 of the Year. -T.2. -C.42-43; -T.81. -C.1-3; -T. 82. -C.2-3; -T.84. -S.5; -T.85. –C.5; -T. 86. –C.4 .; -T.87. -S.4; -T. 88. -C.2-3.
                      11 All-Union Population Census 1926 g. –M .: CSB of the USSR, 1928. –T.8. with. 14-45
                      12 All-Union Population Census 1926 g. –M .: CSB of the USSR, 1928. –T.8. with. 14-45
                      13 Asylbekov M.Kh., Galiev A.B. Socio-demographic processes in Kazakhstan (1917-1980). -Alma-Ata: Gylym, 1991, p. Xnumx

                      in your source it’s not at all clear who did what and how. in the end - erroneous information.
                    5. romb
                      romb April 20 2014 22: 12
                      +2
                      Read the first sentence of your article.
                      According to the materials of the First General Census of the Russian Empire in 1897, the number of Kazakh ethnic group within the modern territory of Kazakhstan amounted to 3 392 751 people.

                      The figure of more than four million people is the total number of all Kazakhs in the territory of the Russian Empire. At that time, the residence of the Kazakhs was not limited only to the territory of "modern" Kazakhstan, which was later artificially changed in some places as a result of the creation of the Kazakh ASSR.
    2. Dani
      Dani April 20 2014 20: 15
      +2
      YOU WANT TO SAY THAT THERE WAS NO HUNGER, YOU WANT TO SAY THAT THOUGH 1 MILLION PEOPLE WERE
  • cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 20 2014 16: 14
    -6
    Quote: sv68
    cerbuk can you still demand and send all the Kazakhs out of Russia? REGIONAL POWER AND THE NACEPOLISTIC STATE TWO HUGE DIFFERENCES.

    No KAZAKH need not be evicted. But if you cut off 3 acres of land from a neighbor in the country and don’t want to give what to take from you .....
  • polkownik1
    polkownik1 April 20 2014 16: 29
    +1
    M-da-aaaa ... Army and navy, army and navy. Everything else is partners and interlocutors until there are no problems ...
  • prishelec
    prishelec April 20 2014 16: 40
    +2
    The article is nonsense, meaningless or not ambiguous ...
  • borys
    borys April 20 2014 16: 41
    +4
    The Kazakh politicians named in the article think correctly in their own way. But not
    to end. Indeed, Russia-friendly Kazakhstan through this friendship
    may get some trouble. Not friendly to Russia Kazakhstan
    can have much more trouble. Moreover, not from Russia at all.
    1. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 17: 34
      +5
      Quote: borys
      The Kazakh politicians named in the article think correctly in their own way. But not
      to end. Indeed, Russia-friendly Kazakhstan through this friendship
      may get some trouble. Not friendly to Russia Kazakhstan
      can have much more trouble. Moreover, not from Russia at all.
      . Short, precise and concise! A gift to the State Department is made by Russian Kazakhophobes!
      1. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 April 20 2014 17: 40
        +1
        you do not understand the meaning, reread again.
        1. Argyn-suindyk
          Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 17: 57
          +2
          Yes, everything is clear to us again they scare us with mattresses! And they could live in a union and their task is to prevent this union.
      2. Zymran
        Zymran April 20 2014 20: 30
        +2
        I never understood those who scare us the United States and NATO. Just think how they can carry out aggression against us?
    2. Dani
      Dani April 20 2014 18: 24
      +3
      How can we be friends if they say such words "All CIS countries are artificial states, which in fact are part of Russia." Yes, for such words you can lose your head after these words as much as possible trust the Russians
      1. Argyn-suindyk
        Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 18: 39
        +3
        You're right brother, my opinion about Russians and Russians has changed a lot since I went to VO! I am from the north from the Akmola region, in comparison with my Taraz relatives I always considered myself a shala-Kazakh (Russian friends, my daughter is in a Russian school, my younger sister is married to a Russian, etc.) after reading the local comments about Kazakhs and Kazakhstan, it became different to reason! It was an unpleasant discovery for me, what they write about us here!
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 April 20 2014 19: 27
          +1
          about! but how nice it is for me to read what our Kazakh brothers write about us, and not only here.
        2. Guard
          Guard April 21 2014 02: 27
          +6
          Quote: Argyn-Suindyk
          You're right brother, my opinion about Russians and Russians has changed a lot since I went to VO! I am from the north from the Akmola region, in comparison with my Taraz relatives I always considered myself a shala-Kazakh (Russian friends, my daughter is in a Russian school, my younger sister is married to a Russian, etc.) after reading the local comments about Kazakhs and Kazakhstan, it became different to reason! It was an unpleasant discovery for me, what they write about us here!

          Quote: danik
          How can we be friends if they say such words "All CIS countries are artificial states, which in fact are part of Russia." Yes, for such words you can lose your head after these words as much as possible trust the Russians

          Quote: Kazbek
          I am the same from the north, and before VO there was a better opinion of the Russians.

          Russians in Russia and Russians in Kazakhstan (with the exception of some "oppressed") are two big differences. From that and the break of the template. In Russia and in Soviet times, non-Russians were treated with a fair amount of arrogance, and after Yeltsin's "freedom of speech in the media" and Putin's "reform" of thinking (when Russians massively "forgot" themselves under Yeltsin and decided that they were all post-Soviet times they "tried" to improve relations with their neighbors in the CIS and even "invented" the Eurasian Union to "fight the West") the level of nationalism increased significantly. At the same time, the Russians did not get rid of the old myths about the "primordial lands", that they allegedly "fed everyone", "built everything for everyone" and "protected the Kazakhs from ...".
          Considering that Russian society has an amazing ability not to remember for more than five years, you shouldn't be offended by them. In five years they will be sure that they didn’t say anything like that, and they always believed that Kazakhstan was a normal neighbor with its own history. For them, the events of 1993 are already somewhere in the framework of the "gray history", and the events of the 19th century are finally from the period of the life of dinosaurs. Europeans and Asians have different time categories. These are Europeans, whose culture has developed only in the last few centuries, who think that the whole history of Eurasia revolved around them. The Eastern Slavs, although they were highly Asian, but the time frame is the same as that of the Western Europeans. Therefore, Russians can "remember" several years ago and can see the future also only for several years ahead. These are not Kazakhs who plan everything for decades.
          Z.Y. The Chinese have a broader time frame of world perception than the steppes.
          З.З.Ы. Kazakhs and Russians are united by carelessness, irrationality and imperial ambitions. And this outweighs the differences and helps to find a common language in real life. And in the internet srachi mean nothing. The Russians will forget about these srachs tomorrow. Well, or, at most, they will remember that "the Kazakhs were the first to throw them from the bay-flounder to the Russians about Baikonur ..."
          1. blizart
            blizart April 21 2014 16: 18
            +1
            In short, I have been living with the Kazakhs for a long time and did not notice that they have a planning horizon greater than that of the Rusak, and this is not possible considering that the Kazakhs are nomads, and the Rusnaks are settled for 1000 years. And finally, about your whining about the dominance of the Cossacks (having thrown off political correctness) where you bl .. get away! When you breed up to 145 millions, give them an education and an idea then we'll see. KOREAN
  • miasoman
    miasoman April 20 2014 17: 53
    0
    Quote: Mergen
    With your own hands, you push away those who previously supported you.

    Who did you support there? supported at 86? I have been living in Kazakhstan since birth, Russians are respected by a few, although there is a reason. Everything that is in Kazakhstan is either built by the Russians, or copied from them. And no thanks. Only Nursultan Abishevich is holding you back from the massive "Kazakhstan is for Kazakhs". But, I'm afraid it will not last forever!
    1. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk April 20 2014 18: 12
      -2
      All that is done by the Russians will erase the time, take a look around the Kazakhs have long been building and sowing without white sahibs. In 20 years, a generation from the USSR will leave and you can put your arguments in one place! And nonsense about how, without Russians, all countries will fall into economic chaos and religious unrest, tell schoolchildren!
      1. miasoman
        miasoman April 21 2014 11: 09
        -1
        Yes, and now I am ready to put my arguments in one place. Don’t worry, Russians will sooner or later leave for Russia. And I do not care that I was born in the 3rd generation here, and I have 3 children (2 daughters speak Kazakh fluently) and my ancestors are buried in this land. I’ll survive, since the title nation has decided so. It seems to you that everything that was built by the Kazakhs (and in fact by the Turks, Uzbeks, etc.) will last longer? Well, time will tell. In the meantime, you are just another argument in the treasury of opinions forming my opinion about the Kazakh people.
        1. Dani
          Dani April 21 2014 16: 47
          -1
          where are you from, do not like the will of Russia in Kazakhstan, who is waiting for you there
          1. miasoman
            miasoman April 21 2014 17: 44
            -1
            That is what this is about. you sleep and you see that everyone would fall down. Look, bile will expire so .. no doctor will help. Bad karma.
            1. Dani
              Dani April 21 2014 18: 15
              -1
              what kind of karma is just logic if you don't like Kazakhstan go to Russia that's all
              1. miasoman
                miasoman April 21 2014 19: 19
                -1
                I wrote that I’m leaving .. you and it are minuscule. No arguments, no attempt to understand .. Kazakhstan with a capital letter, and Russia with a small? it's just complexes, brother.
      2. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian April 22 2014 08: 26
        0
        Argyn-Suindyk KZ 20 April 2014 18: 12 ↑

        All that is done by the Russians will erase the time, take a look around the Kazakhs have long been building and sowing without white sahibs. In 20 years, a generation from the USSR will leave and you can put your arguments in one place! And nonsense about how, without Russians, all countries will fall into economic chaos and religious unrest, tell schoolchildren!


        Argyn-Chest, that you too waved your Russian cry to drive. Certainly, if the Americans launched the Ukrainian scenario to the fullest in Kazakhstan, they would have immediately skied. Or you say no ... yes, the Kazakhs themselves are packing their bags now and on the world map points are marked where to dump in case of chaos. So I have no doubt that at the crucial moment PERFORMANCE is either the bench press and the road to China as after the revolution in the 17 year ... tutu tutu tutu ... and if I had looked and got the status of oralman ...
        1. Argyn-suindyk
          Argyn-suindyk April 22 2014 14: 33
          +1
          This is your boob point now bench press! Your kinsmen who are radiant irresponsible get along, and you will have to suffer Kazakh Russians, you feel !!! In the event of an excess, we Kazakhs will always write our feet down, and when your Russian nations cover themselves with Kazakhstan-Kazakhs and Kazakhs with hoo-patriotism, you Russians of Kazakhstan will be silent without a word in a rag! As a result, the response tub of dirt and threats you get our Kazakh Russian! The task of the West is to prevent the emergence of the EurAsEC and the provocateurs are radiant, casting doubt on the territorial integrity of the Republic of Kazakhstan under the guise of patriotism, simply or indirectly doing the work of the State Department!
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek April 20 2014 19: 50
    -2
    Listen to the Russians here, they are the smartest. So why don't you live like Arab sheikhs. Didn’t you shout that without you everything in the world will go. We don’t complain about anything we live for, and we don’t live much worse than you. I am the same from the north, and before VO there was a better opinion of the Russians.
    1. miasoman
      miasoman April 21 2014 11: 17
      0
      Didn't we scream? where, sorry? under your window? I personally didn’t shout anything like that!
      Yes, everything is fine with you. You will also expel the remnants of the "orys" and just as the sheikhs will heal)) Kazbek, why did the Russians hurt you so much? I'm really wondering ... what?
    2. blizart
      blizart April 21 2014 16: 26
      -1
      I went to (the filter doesn’t give) I serve in the army of Kazakhstan and every day I see the hopeless attempts of commanders to convey tasks in Kazakh, but it doesn’t work, so turn off, there’s absolutely no time left for you to get lost in the pack again, you’ll go to the Chinese ?
  • Zymran
    Zymran April 20 2014 20: 29
    +3
    Quote: Kazbek
    . Didn’t you shout that without you everything in the world will go. We don’t complain about anything we live for, and we don’t live much worse than you.


    After joining the Taiga Union, they began to live worse.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg April 21 2014 09: 14
      +4
      Zimran. It seems your prediction about the activation of all sorts of bots comes true. There, on a nearby branch, Ermek from the Republic of Kazakhstan orders the akim of the region in Ukraine (and what is interesting is that our law enforcement officers are not excited about the call for murder).
  • blizart
    blizart April 21 2014 15: 59
    -3
    We, as well as Russia, are an exporter of energy resources and minerals. And also, as in the Russian Federation, this type of activity forms the basis of our economy, since the remaining sectors are simply not competitive in world markets. In this regard, it is necessary to think about new ways of transporting raw materials.
    In this regard, it is necessary to think about what is enough for the state’s money to graduate from universities (although they do not deserve such a big name) any lawyers, economists and other merchandisers. The national economy is suffocating without qualified WORK, but with our television the right way of life has been fully and finally approved
    1. Alibekulu
      April 21 2014 17: 14
      +5
      Quote: blizart
      In this regard, it is necessary to think about what would be enough for the state to release from universities (although they do not deserve such a big name) any lawyers, economists and other merchandisers.
      So already 10 years, at least thinking ..
      You are just a state order / number of budget places / grants by specialties see fool before hysteria ..
      For the money of the state to issue all kinds of lawyers, economists and other merchandisers.As a person associated with education, I will say that for state money lawyers, economists and other merchandisers are not trained. Moreover, the emphasis is placed on technical specialties - a lot of budget places are allocated to them .. What led to the fact that many purposefully go to study in those / specialties because of the low threshold ball for admission to the grant ..
    2. Alibekulu
      April 21 2014 17: 36
      +3
      Quote: blizart
      The national economy is suffocating without a skilled labor force
      .
      Quote: Alibekulu
      Moreover, emphasis was placed on technical specialties.
      Supplement on secondary special education.
      Here the conditions are close to perfect. Students pay tuition, travel and accommodation in a hostel. If there is no hostel, then compensation is given for renting housing.
      So now is the time to learn. good Moreover, in the North K-there is no shortage of students for budget places. A couple of years ago, my cousin worked in a secondary school in Kostanay, and because of the lack of students, they had to write down "dead souls". He personally asked all relatives and friends for certificates to include them in the number of students. By the way, I also recorded my mother, who at that time was well over 50 .. belay
      By the way, in Petropavlovsk they have already opened a case against the heads of one of the colleges for "registration" ..
      The administrative court of Petropavlovsk 11 of April made a decision, which ... in the ranks of students of local colleges a whole detachment of "dead souls".
      http://www.time.kz/articles/zloba/2014/04/10/potustoronnie-studenti
      1. blizart
        blizart April 21 2014 18: 11
        0
        Yes, I know about these advances, my nephew is studying, but thanks for the information
  • blizart
    blizart April 21 2014 16: 06
    0
    Russia's refusal to recognize the inviolability of borders is a crushing blow to the idea of ​​integrating the post-Soviet space.
    Yes, you pulled up already read finally bl .. a history textbook (not yours) at least German and catch Russia 150 years continuously at war with Turkey for the Crimea, including. Stop distorting the facts, we will tell you pancake not stupid (I have pulled up this filter, I want to express myself already), we are pupils of the school itself in the world