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Putin reminded Novorossia, where her house

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Brief lesson stories from Yegor Kholmogorov in the wake of the President’s speech



Literally before our eyes, the events of recent months have returned to Russia its century-long historical memory.


The word "Novorossiya", repeatedly repeated by President Putin during his straight line with the citizens, for someone, perhaps, sounds new. Many cannot even understand: Novorossia or Novorussia (the second is correct).

As for me - I have known this word since childhood. On the shelf was a book of the famous historical novelist Grigory Danilevsky (not to be confused with his namesake - no less relevant today by the Slavophile philosopher, author of “Russia and Europe”). The three books included there were called: “Runaways in Novorossiya”, “Volya” and “Princess Tarakanova”. And although everyone was interested only in the story of the unfortunate dissolute impostor, and critical realism about the struggle of the peasants with serfdom was of little interest to anyone, but there was a feeling that Novorossia was somewhere in the South, near the Black and Azov Sea, and there you can escape if you want , get lost in the steppes, dissolve in the reeds ... Our wild West, turned out to be a wild South. If you look through the novel, it turns out that there lives a strange mixture of Little Russians, Great Russians from the central provinces, Serbs, Greeks, Germans, Gypsies, and it will take a long time before this space settles.

Before us is the new space, unlike either the main Russia - forest, state, severe, or Ukraine - steppe, semi-anarchical. This space was conquered by the Crimean Tatars and Nogais, for whom it was no more than a desert steppe, a place of wandering, by predatory raids on civilized peoples in order to steal slavery and buffer from punitive expeditions of royal governors, Cossacks and Polish winged hussars. For centuries, the struggle of civilization with the steppe was going on, a settled folk slowly advancing on the steppe. It was the space of people's colonization, carried out by the Russians in a perpetual mode of a race to race between people populating land and establishing a state of their own order. That the tsarist service will break out ahead and the fortress will appear, around which the walking people begin to gather, then on the contrary - a fugitive village with dashing people - half-robbers, semi-peasants appears on the edge of the steppe, and after them the power of the sovereign is chosen to protect and tax.

The rational development of Novorossia began in the 18th century, when Russian emperors began to attract a new population to convert the steppes. At first it was the Serbs (the broad collective name of all the southern Slavs) - in the area of ​​present-day Krivoy Rog, New Serbia originated, in the region of Lugansk - Slavyanoserbia. Then the German colonists were added to the Serbs, and in the south the Greeks, expelled from the Crimean Khanate, founded Mariupol.

It never occurred to anyone that Novorossia and the Donbas could be considered to be some kind of Ukraine: it was rather internal Russian America — a motley population, a mixture of steppe and urban fever


Prince Grigory Potyomkin-Taurian became the real creator of the Novorossiysk dream. When it was founded Yekaterinoslav (Dnepropetrovsk), Nikolaev and Kherson, became the state land from the Cossack freemen Zaporozhye, joins Novorossia and the Crimea. Odessa will be founded soon. This is the space of a large project, Potemkin’s big dream - vying with Peter the Great, under the new southern sun he is trying to found his Petersburg, his Paradise, more beautiful than Peter’s. This project does not have time to fully realize itself, but it sets the whole vector of development of Novorossia, so unlike the agrarian hetman "Ukraine". This is a space of bold experiments, of the most unexpected population (first of all Great Russian from the inner provinces). A Mediterranean port of Odessa may appear here, as well as a completely Ural-like Lugansk plant, and donating not even English, but the American spirit, Yuzovka (Donetsk).

The famous governor of Novorossia, Mikhail Vorontsov, turned Odessa into the main grain port of the Eastern Mediterranean and began work on turning the Crimea into a modern paradise (which required a considerable transformation of its nature). On the Black Sea began warp steamers. For the second half of the 19th century, the eastern part of Novorossia with the Donbas adjacent (strictly speaking, the Donbass, like Kharkov, is not Novorossia, but simply Russia, they were always considered part of the main geographical array of Russia, without regional division) turned into a developed industrial region. No one could even imagine that this could be considered as some kind of Ukraine. Ukraine with its Gogol evenings, Cossack thoughts and ambiguous memory of Mazepa was somewhere far away. And New Russia was more likely an inner Russian America — a colorful population, a mixture of desert steppe and city fever, in which the best universities are born, such as the Novorossiysk University in Odessa.

Putin reminded Novorossia, where her house
Some historians believe that the Most High Prince Grigory Alexandrovich Potemkin-Tavrichesky did more for the South of Russia than Peter I himself


The accession of Novorossia to Ukraine was greeted at first rather painfully, although it was not taken seriously. However, already in the 1920-ies Joseph Stalin had to go into conflict with the "comrades Ukrainisers" who are trying to train the workers of Donbass "lower form of speech" - Ukrainian Move. Stalin explained that the Donbass was included in the structure of Ukraine just to strengthen the Soviet power by conscious Russian workers, and not to inculcate in these workers the Makhnovist freemen and the Petliura language. However, gradually Ukrainization crawled on Novorossia due to the migration of the population. If cities, as a rule, managed to recycle Ukrainianized villagers back to Russians (in Ukraine, almost one hundred percent correlation of Ukrainians with a village and Russianness with a city), the rural districts are not always. And if we now see Ukrainians in Novorossia, they are villagers who can join the Right Sector, and who are not weak in crumbling the shell rock on the Potemkin Stairs in Odessa.

Instead of his President Yanukovych, the second state language - Russian - and the freedom to choose his power, Novorossia first received the dictatorship of the criminal group, and then the maydanovsky junta


But the nightmare of violent Ukrainization, as in Ukraine, which was independent from 1991, was not expected in Novorossia. When it began - people were at first confused, then they began to resist. Unfortunately, this resistance was straddled by a group of criminal authorities and oligarchs who controlled the Donbass and created the “Party of Regions”. And Novorossia was deceived again: instead of its president, Viktor Yanukovich, the second state language, Russian, and the freedom to choose their power, Novorossia first got the dictatorship of a criminal group that didn’t care about all the promises, then the Maidan’s junta. The cities of New Russia began to rebel at once, although the farther from the border of Russia, the more they are stifled by the surrounding rural elements. The radicalization of sentiment is growing, and the Donbass uprising marked, obviously, the point of no return - Home!


Photo: news.liga.net
In his speech, Putin reminded the world that the tricolor, which today is being installed on the flagpoles of its cities by residents of the South-East of Ukraine, is just returning to the place that it had legally occupied for centuries


It is unlikely that anyone can be seriously persuaded to fold weapon and sit down to negotiate a "federation" with strangers, who are irresponsible Ukrainizers from the junta. And there is no need if the movement enters into force. People who have never tolerated Ukrainians speak loudly. People who mimic under the Ukrainians are beginning to change their orientation. The Russian Spring gave a new impetus to the formation of Novorossia, the last decades of Ukrainianism, which became the dream of Potemkin’s dream of Russians in Ukraine about a better life, an alternative to Ukrainization. The dream becomes a political fact. All those who do not want to Ukrainize begin to attract each other, through conflict with the junta they start conflict with Ukrainization - and they acquire political subjectivity. Begins the great flight of Novorossia from Ukraine, to which it was completely forcibly fastened.

Will this subjectivity form into statehood? I doubt it, since New Russia is an echo of Russia, it is its renewal under the warm sun. Both economically and culturally, this should be one space with Russia, which is possible today only in political unity. Therefore, if the people in revolt will not allow them to strangle their movement, then New Russia will rally and begin to self-determine. It will be self-determination as Russia — a different, new, somewhat better Russia, as Potemkin once thought.
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  1. Tartary
    Tartary April 19 2014 08: 20
    +14


    So some people think in Ukraine.

    And so it really is -

    1. 222222
      222222 April 19 2014 09: 58
      +14
      ..You are great, we are huge .. "..the huge ones do not go with an outstretched hand to the great ...
      1. Artem1967
        Artem1967 April 19 2014 16: 45
        +7
        In the song, the opposite is "You are huge, we are great." But the great should not be begging!
    2. anfil
      anfil April 19 2014 10: 43
      +31
      New version of "We will never be brothers"


      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 19 2014 11: 05
        +10
        Quote: anfil
        New version of "We will never be brothers"

        But this is much closer to the truth. good
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. I am proud of Russia
          I am proud of Russia April 21 2014 10: 49
          +2
          inkass_98 SU April 19, 2014 11:05 ↑
          Quote: anfil
          New version of "We will never be brothers"
          But this is much closer to the truth. good

          The new version definitely reflects everything that happens. They hammered into their heads that the enemy and occupier was Russia ... so who is the blind relative?
      2. 222222
        222222 April 19 2014 16: 23
        +25
        Do not dissemble, poetess, rhyme
        Do not be fooled by the Orthodox people
        Do not bet in the clouds of clouds
        Go down to the sinful Earth ..

        We have never been brothers
        Three sisters, one blood, equal
        Both in the Homeland and in the Mother
        From Russia we went in different directions ..
        (It’s just that Life was arranged like that ..)
        Belarus, Russia, Outskirts ..

        O Greatness “modestly” said
        I leave the entrance - rummaging
        Old and old hungry
        Isn't Greatness buried there?
        From the former, from the Soviet Motherland ...
        By the way, remember what was built ..
        In recent years, at home?

        Yes, of course, you became free
        The SPIRIT of freedom stings and pleases
        Go hunting with clubs
        And cocktails burn relatives ...
        And lose, lose their homeland

        So why do we need your democracy?
    3. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 19 2014 11: 01
      +14
      Quote: Tartary
      So some people think in Ukraine.

      Looked, listened, laughed. The footage of the Maidan lacks the types of its consequences. Great dill, how much pathos and show-off. But the greats now do not know what to do with their greatness, apparently, they will have to trade in them, so as not to swell from hunger, or go to the porch (Easter, perhaps they will serve a pretty penny). Only in the West it is somehow not very Christian values. there are now in use "universal", so that every penny (penny, cent) will have to work off not only the current great and free ukram, but also their children and grandchildren. Well, they themselves wanted it.
    4. Lelek
      Lelek April 19 2014 11: 34
      +26
      Well, that we are huge verbs and Thatcher and Albright and just look at the map. But who made you great? None other than Sashko Bely, or the fascist Bandera, or the rabbit Yatsenyuk, or the fury of Tymoshenko's unknown blood. Yes, the figures are worthy of a toilet bowl. So, akyns, "do not tell my horseshoes", you are not at all convincing. Greatness is measured by deeds for the good of society, and you have destroyed everything without creating anything, and now you are celebrating on the porch. So where is your greatness? bully
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      2. RoTTor
        RoTTor April 19 2014 14: 06
        +9
        Do not insult honest monkeys. This scum - from a cross between a viper, a viper and a chameleon (it’s not for nothing that the KASS activist was)
    5. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali April 19 2014 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: Tartary
      And so it really is -

      Strong. I already felt sympathy to tears.
    6. Andrey77771
      Andrey77771 April 20 2014 02: 05
      -1
      the author of the article is a ram who does not know how and by whom Mariupol was founded) and does not have higher education)
      1. berserk1967
        berserk1967 April 20 2014 02: 39
        +10
        From Wikipedia: "Mariupol was founded in 1778, when the county town of Pavlovsk was founded, which was named Mariupol in 1779. In 1780, Christian Greeks who were withdrawn from the Crimean Khanate in 1778 were settled in Mariupol and its environs."
        This is about who else is the sheep. Learn history, only normal, and not corrected for the sake of banderlog.
      2. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 April 20 2014 03: 53
        +6
        You yourself are a ram. NEW Russia is time to go home. Glory to RUSSIA!
    7. Russohol
      Russohol April 20 2014 12: 27
      +10
      Born in response to the first clip seen.

      You are not the whole of Ukraine - traitors.
      Yes, we will not be brothers.
      Our brothers Jude do not pray
      The Triune Russia is guarded by the Virgin.
    8. Ross
      Ross April 20 2014 18: 05
      +9
      Time cures. Below is a video with a letter from a Kiev citizen from the Maidan ...
      And here is some interesting news on the mood of the population of New Russia:
      Our colleagues from Ukraine submitted to the ANNA-News editorial office the results of a sociological survey conducted by activists in Lugansk and Lugansk region.

      The results of a sociological survey in Lugansk - for unitary Ukraine, a little more than 2%, for Novorossia as a part of Ukraine (federalization) - 2,5%, for Novorossia as a part of Russia about 92-94%.

      The results of a sociological survey in the Lugansk region are currently being processed, but preliminary results of the survey show that the number of respondents in favor of unitary Ukraine is only slightly higher than the data for the city of Lugansk.

    9. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 April 21 2014 05: 41
      +1
      it is necessary to select this place on the panel, apparently, somewhere in the geyropa ..
    10. gfnhbjnrf
      gfnhbjnrf April 21 2014 10: 25
      +1
      This is our strength. The strength that evil spells is afraid of. This is called the strength of spirit. This is called good. This is called the ability to love and forgive. We will pray this festive week for the admonition of the doubters and the victory of good over evil. So that the mind will triumph. And the Soul has been cleansed!
  2. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 19 2014 08: 39
    +16
    NEWS FORWARD! RUSSIA with you! Glory to our brothers in NEW RUSSIA! Do not stop, fight until complete victory. drinks
  3. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket April 19 2014 08: 48
    +12
    New Russia. But the Empress Germans were almost always favorites from the Russians. Well, besides the mistakes of youth, Stasik Leshchinsky. Orlovs - fleet and army, Potemkin - army and Crimea. And the Russians did a lot for the Russian state. hi
    1. svetlomor
      svetlomor April 19 2014 09: 18
      +17
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      And the Russians did a lot for the Russian state.

      So Putin said that Novorossia is part of Russia, it means it will be so, the direction is set, and the rest is a matter of time.
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 April 20 2014 03: 58
        +9
        And that was the main thing in his speech. GLORY OF RUSSIA !!!
      2. nika407
        nika407 April 20 2014 12: 14
        +13
        Quote: svetlomor
        So Putin said that Novorossia is part of Russia, it means it will be so, the direction is set, and the rest is a matter of time.
        Even when asked about Ice Crimea, he said that he was not needed, it was cold there, north. In other words, if only it were southern territory ...
        Call Merkel Obama:
        - Barack I have two news, good and bad ..
        - Start with a good one.
        - Crimea, again as part of Ukraine!
        - Yessss !!!, and the second news? ......
        - Ukraine became part of the Russian Federation!
        - Fuck !, but what about Maidan?
        - And Maidan is moving to Washington. Yes, and prepare Alaska ...
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 April 21 2014 13: 00
          +1
          Cool!!! good
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 April 19 2014 09: 24
      +1
      A Teeth Plateau ????
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 19 2014 09: 34
        +3
        Quote: Patton5
        A Teeth Plateau ????

        And what did this b.dazar do for the Glory of the Russian Empire ???
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 April 19 2014 11: 08
          +3
          Quote: PSih2097
          And what did this b.dazar do for the Glory of the Russian Empire ???

          Well, what? Was the last lover of Catherine, Potemkin poisoned, as far as forces with the brothers robbed Russia ... A lot of achievements. am
          1. DS22
            DS22 April 19 2014 17: 42
            +3
            And he played an important role in the murder of Emperor Pavel Petrovich ....!
      2. Cthulhu
        Cthulhu April 19 2014 09: 49
        +12
        About Zubov, it is better not to remember. Thanks to this "not a good man", all Potemkin undertakings for the development of Novorossiya and reforms in the army and navy were subsequently ruined. And one of the strongest statesmen, Potemkin, became associated with the Potemkin villages. And all because of envy, such nonentities as teeth.
        1. DS22
          DS22 April 19 2014 17: 43
          +1
          Yeah, "Potemkin villages" - Odessa, Sevastopol ..... Fucked up ... smile
          1. Nick
            Nick April 20 2014 10: 58
            +2
            Quote: DS22
            "Potemkin villages" - Odessa, Sevastopol ..... It turned out awesome ....

            Yes, no country would refuse such "villages" ...
  4. I am a Russian
    I am a Russian April 19 2014 09: 08
    +5
    I watched the first video (Ukrainian ... and then the song sounds) ... something reminded this video of bandits from the North Caucasus ... who were loud at the camera and they had mutsurai ... sang songs about the war and the bandits.
  5. Gray 43
    Gray 43 April 19 2014 10: 17
    +9
    Good article, thank you, now you have to wait until historical justice is restored. Someone commenting on one of the articles about the Crimea, it seems, the opinion was written that the accession of Crimea should be limited, Russia will not feed additional millions of people. And why give fish, you need to give fishing rod, they don’t need help, they need work, whoever wants to can come to Russia, then you can refuse tanned migrant workers from Central Asia, Novorossiysk citizens do not cause such a negative among Russians
    1. gfnhbjnrf
      gfnhbjnrf April 21 2014 11: 30
      0
      I would really like it to be so, but alas, Siberia is already actively being conquered, not by migrant workers, but quite officially by the Russians, who are opening here to hell with what. It turns out that the Federal Migration Service has already opened roads. And this year it is even easier to obtain citizenship. And I don’t know how it is with you, but we already have yards or grandfathers or students sweeping. And the tanned ones opened shopping centers and cut the banknotes. But where they will send them, the question is open
  6. anfil
    anfil April 19 2014 10: 53
    +14
    Russian answer to the verse
  7. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 19 2014 10: 55
    +3
    But Ukrainians., Think differently winked The first Chinese emperor was Ukrainian. .. wink
    1. Russohol
      Russohol April 19 2014 13: 22
      +10
      I remember when Latvia withdrew from the USSR, they too quickly began to rivet their history books (in Russian). So there I read that Spartak was a Latvian :).
      1. Turkir
        Turkir April 19 2014 22: 52
        +12
        Spartacus was a Thracian. And since all Latvians, from childhood, go in tailcoats, Spartak was a Latvian. It is obvious.
  8. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 19 2014 11: 30
    +12
    THANKS FOR THE CONTENT HISTORICAL ARTICLE - plus!
    Plus, too, Putin!)
  9. vasilii85
    vasilii85 April 19 2014 11: 37
    +2
    not a bad article
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 19 2014 12: 10
    +7
    It is a pity that a huge number of Russians did not know and do not know not only the correct stress in the word, but also the word Novorossiya itself. The experiment on "growing" a generation of "downs" "to the winners in the bourgeois revolution" was largely a success! How many people think about that during the collapse of the USSR, Russia could legally return both Crimea, and several regions (Novorossiya), and Russian regions given to Kazakhstan? It's just that in reality the “crapcrats” cynically “pissed off” at the “filing” of Yeltsin. When the “crapcrats” were asked questions: are we giving away Crimea, for example? - “crapcrats” answered: the USSR signed the Helsinki agreements on the inviolability of state borders and we, they say, cannot violate the signed international laws. But the "shitcrats" cynically kept silent about the fact that in the USSR there were NO STATE BORDERS between the Union republics, but only ADMINISTRATIVE BORDERS! Therefore, during the collapse of the USSR, Russia could legally return both Crimea and Novorossia (6-7 regions), and the South Siberian regions given by Stalin to Kazakhstan. That is why I have never voted for any president of Russia! I have not created an idol for myself.
  11. Cristall
    Cristall April 19 2014 12: 13
    +9
    On the Potemkin Stairs, not a shell rock. Rakushnyak (Odessa building material from sedimentary rocks from which the historical center of the city is built)
    in Odessa traditionally inertia continue to use the word shell rock (a variety of limestone, shell rock)
    So the Potemkin Staircase is GRANITE!
    In 1933, repair and restoration work was carried out, as over time, the sandstone staircase cover wore out. As a result, the steps of the stairs were faced with gray-pink granite. The initial plan of this project is almost marble steps, a colossal construction ... almost a miracle of the world. In short, a devastating project.
    Catherine herself stands a monument near the stairs (Catherine Square adjoins, in fact, a neighbor with Duke de Richelieu)
    I remind you that it’s where the local Euro-fucked-up go (or bring that most likely)
    The police are blocking the founder of the city from them, otherwise, in 2010, they already dared to go and paint to write, "Katya Ukraini" (the executioners of Ukraine-Ukrainian language) and demand a monument to Bandera.
    The monument itself Kuchma and Yusch slowed down as best they could - but the inhabitants of Odessa contrary to all of them installed (by the way from Zhytomyr granite and a statue from Kiev)
    In the south, a motley people. Here everyone is alive on a shovel.
    Yes, and Odessa is the last major port of Ukraine. Although Odessa only under the Republic of Ingushetia was the second port of the Empire. Under the USSR, it was not like that.
    Today, Yats said from the rostrum - what else do you want Vladimir Putin.
    In general, Wait Odessa is almost the quietest city from the entire SE. The first cruise ship even visited this season. But I feel that the right-wing people are definitely "Putin's agents" laughing -Do everything to destabilize the situation in the city.
    Yesterday they asked the post unit - what are you protecting from. Answer - Odessa from Odessa residents.
    1. Val_y
      Val_y April 19 2014 17: 03
      +2
      Not an uncle, there is a monument to Duke de Richelieu near the stairs, and a monument to Catherine stands above 500-600 meters and a monument stands on Catherine Square
  12. sv68
    sv68 April 19 2014 12: 13
    +1
    it will be difficult to return back what Russia had lost due to mediocrity and mediocrity that controlled the party, but I sincerely hope that Crimea is far from the last piece of Russian land returned to its homeland
    1. Arlette
      Arlette April 20 2014 03: 50
      +1
      A thought came to me. Maybe wonderful, but ... But what if you buy the land?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 20 2014 11: 23
        +2
        Quote: Arlette
        But what if you buy land?

        What shall we pay, deEvushka? laughing
        1. maximus235
          maximus235 April 20 2014 22: 35
          +1
          We will not pay, just write off half the debt.
        2. koshh
          koshh April 20 2014 23: 51
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          But what if you buy land?

          1 question: And from whom to redeem? There are no legitimate authorities, and when they come, they can terminate the sale.
          2 question: Why redeem? What would calm everyone down? So do not calm down.
          I think if you exchange for freedom for the junta, then again the question is: with whom to change?
          There is no option with a buyout not a checkpoint.
  13. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. April 19 2014 12: 33
    +4
    ... if the rebellious people do not allow to strangle their movement, then New Russia will unite and begin to determine itself. It will be self-determination as Russia - a different, new, somewhat even better Russia ...

    I personally completely agree, I believe in this prospect without the slightest doubt.
    But the British also thought in a similar way about their former colonies ...
    Nevertheless, Sasha, Canada, Australia, New Zealand are independent countries, moreover, Sasha is now turning the former metropolis, essentially her mother, like a cheap girl.
    In addition, reasoning geopolitically, why are Americans and Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders not pairing together into single states?

    The article does not give answers to these questions. And these answers are needed.
    For it’s already good that we understand that Russia must be transformed.
    Only here V.V. Putin alone will not do this. Even the desire of the common people is not enough for this. We need the consolidation of the whole society on the principles of non-possessiveness.

    And if this happens, then the enemies of Russia will die from heart attacks and strokes.
  14. RoTTor
    RoTTor April 19 2014 14: 10
    0
    Before Grigory Potemkin and Ekaterina had time to transfer the capital of the Russian Empire to Ekaterinoslav (Dnepropetrovsk). It is a pity - the whole story would have gone differently, and there would have been no Leningrad blockade ...
    Head thought ...
  15. Dr. Sarumyan
    Dr. Sarumyan April 19 2014 15: 03
    +4
    Oh, how correctly they wrote today on the Bashorg: "If 2 battalions of the Russian army cross the border of Ukraine, then 10 divisions will reach Kiev, and this is not counting the militias")))
  16. rezident
    rezident April 19 2014 16: 03
    -20%
    In general, the article is correct. Except for a few points. Russia did not conquer but completely exterminated the local population. Arranging another genocide in world history.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 19 2014 16: 04
      +5
      Quote: rezident
      Russia did not conquer but completely exterminated the local population. Arranging another genocide in world history.

      Who is this? VelkoUkrov?
      1. rezident
        rezident April 19 2014 16: 30
        -13%
        No. They were not there.
        http://tamerson.livejournal.com/168533.html
        It is clear that they are trying to keep silent about such facts.
        1. sled beach
          sled beach April 19 2014 22: 38
          +2
          During the revolution, the Russian people were exterminated more than they lost in the domestic one, and no one is hiding, but then they are silent about it.) A crippled Maidan.
          1. ermolai
            ermolai April 21 2014 05: 24
            +1
            and who made the revolution? read the surnames!
        2. sled beach
          sled beach April 19 2014 22: 38
          0
          During the revolution, the Russian people were exterminated more than they lost in the domestic one, and no one is hiding, but then they are silent about it.) A crippled Maidan.
        3. Turkir
          Turkir April 19 2014 23: 10
          +5
          An American website with great connoisseurs of the history of the Caucasus from Chechnya, but already American citizens.
          And why were the Nogais in the escort of Catherine 2 and accompanied her to the Crimea?
          You know little, read little, and you should choose clean water sources.
          Speak of genocides? Your American friends know this better, they are great specialists .. on genocides.
          If you throw something into an empty jug, he strumming.
          1. PATTIY
            PATTIY April 20 2014 10: 36
            +4
            Quote: Turkir
            your American friends, they are great experts .. on genocides.

            That's for sure! Right now they ask for forgiveness through uncle - NakedWood from all blacks.
            "12 Years of Slavery" nomination Oscar-2014 - Best Picture.
            "Django Unchained" Oscar-2013 nomination - Best Screenplay.
            But, in Texas, blacks, as before, are closed. Negroes to say the least - they do not like.
        4. koshh
          koshh April 21 2014 00: 25
          +1
          Quote: rezident
          It is clear that they are trying to keep silent about such facts.

          And what is silent about? How did Russian troops, led by Suvorov, destroy the Nagai people? Nomads continuously raided not only Russia but also Hungary and Poland. Nagays, who during the raids slaughtered the entire population and stole the survivors into slavery (by the way, at that time in America there was also a slave system). And the land was not theirs. They came here with the troops of Genghis Khan. Suvorov first invited them to return back to the Mongolian steppes, but they rebelled. Then the enemy was destroyed. And why do not you remember how the British destroyed India? Native Americans? French Africa? Cases of bygone days ....
    2. Artem1967
      Artem1967 April 19 2014 16: 59
      +4
      Is it possible in more detail? Even the Crimean Tatars, the worst enemies of Russia, remained in place. Who else have we exterminated there?
    3. DS22
      DS22 April 19 2014 17: 48
      +1
      Incidentally, this very local population represented by the Crimean Tatars was brought by A.V. Suvorov to the oath of allegiance to the Russian Empire!
      1. rezident
        rezident April 19 2014 19: 30
        -13%
        And where do you want to live if you want to swear to the bald hell. So they swore who remained.
        1. not main
          not main April 20 2014 02: 48
          +3
          Quote: rezident
          And where do you want to live if you want to swear to the bald hell. So they swore who remained.

          it all depends on outlook on life! Want to grovel oath!
    4. Bear
      Bear April 19 2014 20: 53
      +2
      And you go, please, to the Strasbourg court! There, a human rights activist, they will listen with pleasure to you, take a sip on your head, and promise this evil Russia to be tamed completely, very soon. And you relax and have fun while waiting. By the way, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the English and American experience of genocide. Very informative. This evil Russia smokes nervously in the corner.
    5. Igool
      Igool April 20 2014 21: 00
      +2
      Already such a Russia fighter, that I am already scared.
    6. ermolai
      ermolai April 21 2014 05: 21
      +1
      Russia did not conquer but completely exterminated the local population. in general, the gentleman resident is the prerogative to completely exterminate the local population, this is to the VSA
      1. old man
        old man April 21 2014 11: 11
        +1
        In the framework of the policy of “indigenization”, that is, bringing representatives of national suburbs into power, mass falsifications were carried out at the 1926 census of the year. On the instructions of Moscow, instead of real ethnicity, in the corresponding column Russians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Jews, Poles indicated “Ukrainian” only because of their residence in the Ukrainian SSR. The same thing happened in 1930-s when issuing passports, and such an entry could not be changed in those years. As a result, the number of “Ukrainians” in the former “Wild Field”, populated mainly by the Russian population, was increased so much that the belonging of Novorossia to Ukraine seemed to stop asking questions.
    7. Cherdak
      Cherdak April 21 2014 18: 05
      0
      Quote: rezident
      Arranging another genocide in world history.

      These or what?
  17. mig31
    mig31 April 19 2014 16: 08
    +6
    Gentlemen officers !!!! FOR NEW RUSSIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. PATTIY
      PATTIY April 20 2014 10: 39
      +3
      FOR NEWS! drinks
      1. Igool
        Igool April 20 2014 20: 58
        +2
        For New Russia! Vivat! drinks
        1. old man
          old man April 21 2014 11: 47
          +1
          JOIN !! FOR NEW RUSSIA !!! drinks
          1. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 April 21 2014 13: 03
            +1
            FOR NEWS! FOR THE FATHERLAND! drinks
  18. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. April 19 2014 17: 08
    +3
    Quote: rezident
    In general, the article is correct. Except for a few points. Russia did not conquer but completely exterminated the local population. Arranging another genocide in world history.

    LIES overseas.
    Facts where?
    I don’t even know what to answer, and I don’t understand what kind of person could snitch like that ...
    sorry for the key, apparently resisting mistakes ...
    1. rezident
      rezident April 19 2014 19: 33
      -6
      Look at the map of that era. Even from a Soviet textbook. There used to be Nogai nomads. Suvorov completely exterminated them or forced them to emigrate to Turkey. And in their place settled peasants from the Russian hinterland. Russia needed fertile land; it took it.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 19 2014 20: 20
        +5
        Quote: rezident
        There used to be Nogai nomads. Suvorov completely exterminated them or forced them to emigrate to Turkey

        Have you thought of it yourself? Or prompted by these same Nogais?
        Are you modestly silent about the Khazar Kaganate defeated by Svyatoslav?
        And where is the mention of the genocide of Polovskii nomads, Pechenegs?
        You follow the bazaar, a descendant of Nsovsky, Fomenko and dill-Shevchenko ... fool
      2. ultra
        ultra April 19 2014 22: 29
        +2
        The Nogays lived and live in the steppe regions of Dagestan and Stavropol, some areas are called "Nogai steppes"!
      3. Turkir
        Turkir April 19 2014 23: 19
        +2
        Take a look yourself.
        Your Nogai nomads lived in Western Kazakhstan. It was later they came to the Crimea. Evlia Celebi the 17th century, the Turk, from Moldova went to Dagestan, read first and then you will understand who the Nogais were. Even he wrote that they are doing terrible things. Otherwise, Russian troops just came and fought with the Nogais. Here, not young children are talking to you and they know you more together with your teachers, Chechen terrorists from the USA. That's where you get this information.
    2. PATTIY
      PATTIY April 20 2014 10: 47
      +3
      Quote: Sergey S.
      I don’t even know what to answer

      I know.
      These lands have always been shared by someone. The raids and campaigns of the Tatars and Lithuanians and the Pole and just gangs of bandits. Gradually, these lands were devastated precisely because there was no one to protect the population. Which is completely or almost gone.
      Until the hostess Catherine II appeared. Which took these ravaged lands under protection.
      Hence the name - New Russia.
  19. Partisan Kramaha
    Partisan Kramaha April 19 2014 17: 17
    +1
    Quote: rezident
    In general, the article is correct. Except for a few points. Russia did not conquer but completely exterminated the local population. Arranging another genocide in world history.

    What kind of local population are we talking about?
    1. Bear
      Bear April 19 2014 21: 06
      +5
      This, apparently, is about those Nogais, Tatars, and other descendants of Genghis Khan, whose whole history was fed by raids on Russian lands, which stole the Russians into slavery and turned Kafa into the largest European market of slaves that killed so many human lives that they I would be shaking with horror at the place that someday these Russians would remember this and show the bill!
      1. Turkir
        Turkir April 19 2014 23: 27
        +3
        Yes everything is correct. Described by Evlia Chelebi. In Crimea alone, he read one million Russian slaves. And this "historian" writes to us about the Nogai genocide. We must show them the bill. Kafa was only a port, Evlia elebi writes that wherever he was in the Crimea, there were continuous slaves, which were kept awfully.
        Do you think he suffered about prisoners? No. He thought of them as a spoiled product!
        This is a murderous document against false seekers.
        -------------
        Bear - you reacted quickly. + for your knowledge of history
        1. rezident
          rezident April 20 2014 01: 30
          -9
          The clear business of the enemy must be denigrated. What a million there is not so much fresh water.
  20. AARP
    AARP April 19 2014 21: 02
    +1
    And allow me, comrades, what did you think they wanted to drink? They stopped fearing their maydanuts or jumped while they sang. (whoever doesn’t jump, that is m.s.c.a.a.l.).
  21. GUSAR
    GUSAR April 19 2014 21: 31
    +1
    Everything "Ukrainian" has always caused me wildest disgust ...
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 19 2014 23: 32
      +1
      You will say too - the songs are beautiful and the vodka is good drinks
      1. family tree
        family tree April 20 2014 00: 32
        +1
        Quote: Turkir
        You will say too - the songs are beautiful and the vodka is good

        And songs under the tune ... winked , however, like a vodka for songs. drinks
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 20 2014 00: 36
          +2
          Quote: perepilka
          And the songs under the vodka ..., however, like the vodka under the songs.

          Cho you guys forget about the main thing ... that MUST follow AFTER the song with the song wassat
        2. pp-2000
          pp-2000 April 20 2014 16: 01
          +1
          RASH SAMOGON MUCH MUCH MORE ABOUT A LITTLE FULL CAFE
      2. Arlette
        Arlette April 20 2014 04: 07
        0
        And songs, and dances, and folk costumes. I like mov. Dialect speech. In Tambov, sometimes you don’t understand what they’re saying. The word is like Russian, but the meaning is different. I have to guess the context. what
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 20 2014 11: 19
          +2
          Quote: Arlette
          In Tambov, sometimes you don’t understand what they’re saying. The word is like Russian, but the meaning is different. I have to guess the context.

          In distant areas of the Arkhangelsk provinces the area, which, at times, can be reached either by the "winter road", or by aviation, you can meet a lot of old elderly people who speak the so-called Pomor dialect. There, and the context will not help ... laughing
          The indigenous Pomors, the inhabitants of the Pomerania of the Russian North, are the descendants of those Novgorodians who mastered the White Sea coast in the XII-XIV centuries. Since the autochthonous population was not very large, there was practically no assimilation with the colonists, as was the case, for example, in North-West Russia, where natives of Kievan Rus settled through stripes with local Finnish-Ugric tribes. As a result, the dialect of the inhabitants of North-Western Russia markedly differed from the dialect of Rus of Kiev. And today it is possible to distinguish between the inhabitants of the Vologda region and the inhabitants of Central Russia without any difficulty, according to the Okane or Akany.
          Unfortunately, the lack of funding does not allow ethnographic expeditions, the last of which took place in the late 80s. And the reports have not yet been processed.
          So we have to admire S. Pisakhov's "Tales of the North" in the "adapted" version. To read these in the fairy tale in the original is within the power, perhaps, of a great specialist.
  22. lysenkopavel27
    lysenkopavel27 April 19 2014 21: 34
    +1
    Quote: 222222
    Do not dissemble, poetess, rhyme
    Do not be fooled by the Orthodox people
    Do not bet in the clouds of clouds
    Go down to the sinful Earth ..

    We have never been brothers
    Three sisters, one blood, equal
    Both in the Homeland and in the Mother
    From Russia we went in different directions ..
    (It’s just that Life was arranged like that ..)
    Belarus, Russia, Outskirts ..

    O Greatness “modestly” said
    I leave the entrance - rummaging
    Old and old hungry
    Isn't Greatness buried there?
    From the former, from the Soviet Motherland ...
    By the way, remember what was built ..
    In recent years, at home?

    Yes, of course, you became free
    The SPIRIT of freedom stings and pleases
    Go hunting with clubs
    And cocktails burn relatives ...
    And lose, lose their homeland

    So why do we need your democracy?
  23. Viktor Shmagin
    Viktor Shmagin April 19 2014 22: 55
    +1
    Yes, Bandera and I were never and were not going to be brothers, a lot of honor. These howls are for maidanutnyh and duped, unfortunately, with the modern because of the Vakarchukovskoye education, they are becoming more and more, so it is not worth the wait. Or more to create cartoons like Ilya Muromets from this series as well, because Svidomo propaganda cripples the brains of mostly children
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 20 2014 00: 08
      +4
      Quote: Viktor Shmagin
      Or more to create cartoons like Ilya Muromets from this series as well, because Svidomo propaganda cripples the brains of mostly children

      At the end of the XII century, when the nomadic Polovtsy finally flooded the Wild Field, the population of Kievan Rus partially migrated to North-Eastern Russia, partly to the Poles and the Principality of Volyn.
      Over the centuries, escaping from the yoke of the Polish lords, the descendants of internally displaced persons returned to the banks of the Dnieper. But in THEIR memory there are no more myths and legends about Ilya Muromets, Svyatora, Dobryn Nikitich. In ballads, songs there were only Cossacks, gaydamaks.
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  25. alex shnajder
    alex shnajder April 20 2014 02: 36
    0
    I hope when everything ends, Russia will be joined by the Kiev region, otherwise it does not work out with independence in Ukraine ....
    1. Arlette
      Arlette April 20 2014 04: 13
      +1
      And I think you should not do this. When the junta came to power, she first issued a decree on renaming the Hero City of Kiev to simply the city of Kiev. And the people of Kiev swallowed it. And did not choke. Capital, damn it! And since the vacancy has been vacant, I propose to name the city-Hero Slavyansk.
  26. Turkir
    Turkir April 20 2014 07: 00
    +3
    Here one gentleman writes about history with aplomb, having picked up "knowledge" from the same connoisseurs of history, like himself. For example, the Russians needed land for settlement.
    These lands of Novorossiya, although they already belonged to Russia, were settled very reluctantly and slowly. Chichikov not without reason, and the action of the poem, takes place in 1820, was going to take out his "dead souls" to the Kherson province, because the state gave money for the resettlement of peasants in Novorossiya! In 1820, these lands were free, and they were seized due to constant predatory raidsthat it was time to end, and not because of a lack of land.
  27. Sigismund
    Sigismund April 20 2014 11: 00
    +1
    It's time to go home, New Russia! We wait.
  28. xomaNN
    xomaNN April 20 2014 11: 54
    0
    The oligarchs are Ukrainian. bottling in the east (Akhmetov, taruta, not to mention the pathologically anti-Russian Kolomoyo) are very afraid that with a really tough Russian power vertical of Putin, they will be quickly "dispossessed". And they don't like the fate of London birch. So, despite the active pro-Russian sentiments of a part of the spontaneous Donetsk and Luhansk residents, the maximum that vague indulgences in Ukrainization are possible from the current junta. It will not reach the buffer even of the autonomous DPR within Ukraine (not even the Russian Federation). This is the reality.
    Then, of course, with the further impoverishment of the masses against the background of the stopped plants, they will make some noise, but there will no longer be an armed asset. The junta is recovering from shock ...
  29. Neo1982
    Neo1982 April 20 2014 12: 22
    0
    The rebels in Ukraine have three paths: the South-Eastern Republic, Novorossia and Russia
  30. larisa gurina
    larisa gurina April 20 2014 13: 19
    +1
    Quote: Bear
    And you go, please, to the Strasbourg court! There, a human rights activist, they will listen with pleasure to you, take a sip on your head, and promise this evil Russia to be tamed completely, very soon. And you relax and have fun while waiting. By the way, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the English and American experience of genocide. Very informative. This evil Russia smokes nervously in the corner.

    Quote: Bear
    And you go, please, to the Strasbourg court! There, a human rights activist, they will listen with pleasure to you, take a sip on your head, and promise this evil Russia to be tamed completely, very soon. And you relax and have fun while waiting. By the way, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the English and American experience of genocide. Very informative. This evil Russia smokes nervously in the corner.

    that's for sure, these jackals have a lot to learn - to spread rot of the country and they are masters of smile.
  31. santush
    santush April 20 2014 14: 01
    0
    Donbass-Russia!
    1. marrrat
      marrrat April 20 2014 20: 07
      0
      shout USA - Russia
  32. Naum
    Naum April 20 2014 15: 35
    +1
    With New Russia, everything is not so simple. Previously, on the lands of the present Kharkov region, northern Donetsk region, eastern sumy, south-western Belgorod region and western Voronezh region, Slobozhanshchyna existed from the middle of the 17th to the middle of the 18th centuries. It was formed by immigrants from Zaporozhye, Chernigov and Poltava, who fled from the Ruin (Ukrainian Troubles) at the arm of the Russian Tsar, Alexei Mikhailovich. It was an autonomous paramilitary formation (there were 5 regiments — Kharkov, Ostrogozhsky, Izyumsky, Akhtyrsky and Sumy), which became a shield on the way of the Krymchaks to Central Russia and more than once stopped their raids. The Slobozhans preserved the Maloross language and culture, became faithful servants of the Russian emperors, and later founded a mass of settlements (free settlements) in southwestern Russia. I myself am a Slobozhan, my ancestors have been living in the Rostov region for almost 250 years and we do not think of ourselves outside of Russia. We are Russians, the same as the Great Russians. Glory to Russia!
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      1. marrrat
        marrrat April 20 2014 20: 42
        0
        Fuhrer of Katsapstan
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    1. Nonik
      Nonik April 20 2014 19: 12
      +2
      Quote: abudabi
      http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/18/jirinovsky/ - вот она, великая Россия!
      Awesome idiotic video! The phrases "Putin was frightened of uncontrollable democracy on the territory of Ukraine", "Putin is madly afraid of his people" laughing Oh, how clogged the brains of Ukrainians are ... Look at Ukrainian propaganda wink The request to the moderator not to delete - the video is very revealing. There, of course, Saakashvili’s tie-maker blinks. Of course, even Nemtsov.
      In general, I do not mind at all those who unconditionally believe in this propaganda. Let them cheat in the EU and destroy themselves as a people. Be sure to take vaccines from the United States to reduce population. Believe only the USA, they never, never lie! lol
      PS Only the speculation on terrorist attacks in Russia is annoying.
      1. marrrat
        marrrat April 20 2014 19: 47
        0
        This video is not Ukrainian, it’s your brothers created
      2. marrrat
        marrrat April 20 2014 20: 06
        0
        Of course it turns out ugly - the FSB blew up houses ...
      3. Igool
        Igool April 20 2014 21: 03
        +3
        And it all comes down to one ...
  35. marrrat
    marrrat April 20 2014 19: 48
    0
    [media = http: //delo.ua/ukraine/careva-proveli-cherez-koridor-pozora-i-otvezli-vs
    bu-video-233505 /]
    FSB agent
  36. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever April 20 2014 21: 42
    0
    Thank you Yegor - very much. "The radicalization of sentiments is growing, and the Donbass uprising has obviously marked the point of no return - Home!" - have the right, and let the American junta get out
  37. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 21 2014 05: 16
    +1
    And so it is necessary to push through your topic. If we sell our topic at the expense of Russian lands, and most importantly, that we can confirm everything, the Westerners and the Westerners will wipe themselves out. It is only surprising that the authorities were silent about this for so long. Apparently getting ready. I feel that soon Bandera will begin to erect Lenin’s monuments and sing about the fact that he gave the land to Ukraine.
  38. old man
    old man April 21 2014 11: 10
    +2
    In the framework of the policy of “indigenization”, that is, bringing representatives of national suburbs into power, mass falsifications were carried out at the 1926 census of the year. On the instructions of Moscow, instead of real ethnicity, in the corresponding column Russians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Jews, Poles indicated “Ukrainian” only because of their residence in the Ukrainian SSR. The same thing happened in 1930-s when issuing passports, and such an entry could not be changed in those years. As a result, the number of “Ukrainians” in the former “Wild Field”, populated mainly by the Russian population, was increased so much that the belonging of Novorossia to Ukraine seemed to stop asking questions.

    THIS IS DONE UKRAINE.
  39. volot-voin
    volot-voin April 21 2014 11: 18
    +1
    Putin would have had the spirit and determination to return New Russia to Russia.
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  42. erofich
    erofich April 21 2014 11: 54
    0
    Mazeps, not remembering kinship. They will kill their mother, but they will say that it’s so blatant.
  43. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 21 2014 12: 03
    +3
    What kind of a humble one must be to argue that Russia exterminated the local population. On the contrary, under the rule of the Russian state, the number of the local population, as a rule, increased. Have they really forgotten that Russia saved the Georgian people from extermination? Many peoples voluntarily accepted the Russian government, thereby saving themselves from internecine wars, extermination raids of cruel neighbors. The Russian Empire was cruel only with the most "rude". If Russia is put on the list of "fighters of the local population", then it will take last place there. It cannot compare in any way with either the United States or colonial Great Britain.
    1. rezident
      rezident April 21 2014 18: 29
      0
      Yes, no one has ever voluntarily accepted this against nature. With regards to the Georgians, the truth is that they were almost completely taken out. They are probably one of the few who entered the truth voluntarily.
  44. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 April 21 2014 13: 20
    0
    Dear President of Russia, dear patriots of Russia! It is time to return the greatness of our country, so we will do everything possible for this, we can all! I do not call for arms in any case, except for the defense and protection of our compatriots around the world wink , we have many other possibilities for this, we have faith, fortitude, smart heads and we have a lot of talented and good people.
    I apologize for some pathos, without this in any way repeat
  45. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 21 2014 14: 38
    0
    They pulled up with their Ukraine, as if there were no problems in Russia. "Straight line" is a complete trash, one Crimea. And we seem to live super. Why so euphoria, well, added and that's it. We have the same "Ukraine" in the regions, and the oligarchs are sitting in the same way, United Russia. Also corruption and collapse, you don't have to go far. It's just that the whole situation has already been lifted up to its throat, even though you yourself go up with a pitchfork to the governor of the thief. All registered their property to their wives and divorced amicably throughout Russia. It's a mess everywhere! It was blown up specifically! Thief on thief, even more trenchant! Look at yourself and criticize! Some kickbacks and cuts, all steal the state. money! The elderly live beggarly, the youth do not get a job in life.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 21 2014 14: 40
      +2
      Quote: Voenruk
      Look at and criticize yourself! Some kickbacks and cuts, all steal state. money! The elderly live beggarly, youth do not get settled in life.

      If you pulled out the barrel, then shoot ... wassat
  46. sazhka4
    sazhka4 April 21 2014 15: 02
    0
    “After the investigator of the Main Military Investigation Department of the RF IC issued a ruling on amnesty, it was approved by the Main Military Prosecutor’s Office,” a source from ITAR-TASS said.
    Thank you for Crimea. (Separately) from the merits. Now "uncle" vova I hate you even more .. she or podpidnosniki .. Doesn't matter .. It turns out it does ..