Anti-aircraft self-propelled installation T249 Vigilante

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In the mid-fifties, the American army formulated requirements for a promising self-propelled anti-aircraft gun (ZSU). Ground forces needed an effective anti-shock weapon aviation the enemy, and existing anti-aircraft systems like the 40-mm Bofors guns could no longer cope with such threats. The rapid development of rocketry affected this program: in the very beginning of the sixties, all work on anti-aircraft self-propelled guns with artillery weapons was discontinued. A few years later, the Pentagon again initiated the development of new ZSU, however, this program ended without much success. In both competitions, the T249 Vigilante project took part.

The development of the project T249 Vigilante ("The Avenger") was engaged in the staff of the Springfield arsenal. It should be noted that the development of new anti-aircraft self-propelled guns was carried out at a time when the United States switched to a new system of designation of equipment for the ground forces. Because of this, the Vigilante project in various sources is referred to as T249 and XM249. Accordingly, after adopting the promising ZSU was supposed to be called M249.

T249 self-propelled self-propelled gun was proposed to build on the "classical" scheme. A pivotal turret with an artillery gun was to be located on the base armored chassis. After analyzing various weapon options, a six-barreled T250 X-gun caliber 37 mm was selected. It is noteworthy that this weapon should have used its own projectile 37x219 mm with the index T68. The T250 ammunition for the gun was equipped with a projectile based on existing 37-mm projectiles. In this case, the T68 projectile had a sleeve made on the basis of the sleeve of the 40-mm projectile to the Bofors cannon. For use in the new ammunition sleeve had a different shape.

The basis for the T249 combat vehicle was the modified chassis of the M113 armored personnel carrier. To accommodate all the necessary units, the armored personnel carrier chassis was extended and strengthened in some places. At the same time, the common features of the chassis remained the same: the ZSU, like the BTR, had five road wheels on board and drive wheels in the front of the hull. The overall height of the hull has been reduced. Apparently, some internal units of the chassis remained in place, because of which the workplace of the driver had the same height and therefore was equipped with a characteristic turret with observation devices.

On the roof of the hull, in its middle part with a shift to the stern, placed a large tower with weapons and ammunition. In the center of the frontal part of the tower there were fastening mechanisms and vertical guidance of the gun, covered with a square mask. According to some information, members of the crew of the combat vehicle were located on the right side of the tower. A large cylindrical casing of the gun shop was located to the left of the gun. The store was able to place ammunition from 192 shells. Probably, this placement of ammunition allowed relatively quickly reload weaponby replacing an empty store with a new one.

The 37-mm T250 cannon had six shafts 68,6 long in caliber (2540 mm). A hydraulic actuator with two modes of operation was used to rotate the stem block. When firing at air targets, the barrel unit was supposed to make 500 revolutions per minute, while firing at ground targets - 20 revolutions per minute. Thus, the T250 cannon rate of fire was 3000 or 120 rounds per minute. Relatively long gun barrels allowed to bring the initial velocity of the shells to 915 m / s.

According to some reports, the T249 Vigilante self-propelled self-propelled gun was supposed to use several types of projectiles: high-explosive fragmentation and armor-piercing. Both types of ammunition had similar dimensions and weight. The characteristics of the projectiles, with the exception of the initial velocity, are unknown.

Precise data on the applied guidance equipment is missing. According to some data, the ZSU T249 was supposed to be equipped with a semi-automatic guidance system with a radar station capable of determining the location of the target and producing the necessary corrections for firing, as well as implementing automatic guidance of the gun. It should be noted that on the prototype of the T249 self-propelled gun that has survived to the present day, there are no aggregates that can definitely be considered as a radar antenna. However, on the right cheekbone of the tower there is a certain casing with a sloping front surface, in which a certain element of electronic equipment could be located.

The prototype of the T249 Vigilante anti-aircraft self-propelled unit was built in the 1960 year. The first firing showed a fairly high efficiency of the new anti-aircraft complex, but the military reacted to it without interest. At that time, active work was carried out on promising anti-aircraft missile systems with higher performance and greater flexibility of use. The result of such views on the future of anti-aircraft systems was the cessation of all work on the T249 project. It was assumed that the functions of anti-aircraft artillery will take over the new MIM-26 Mauler SAM system. The project T249 Vigilante was closed for lack of prospects.

In the early seventies, the T249 project again took part in the development program of the promising ZSU. The new version of the anti-aircraft self-propelled guns presented at the DIVAD competition was supposed to be equipped with a modernized six-barreled gun, modified to use standard NATO 35x228 mm shells. The basis of this machine was proposed to make the chassis tank M48. However, this time the Avenger was not able to interest the military. Based on a comparison of proposed projects, the Pentagon chose the XM247 Sergeant York ZSU. It is noteworthy that the self-propelled gun M247 did not have much success - only 50 of these machines were built. The only ZSU T249 Vigilante instance soon became an exhibit in the Springfield Museum.




















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  1. +1
    April 21 2014 07: 30
    Well, it’s good that they didn’t accept it ... otherwise I would do business in Vietnam
    1. +1
      April 21 2014 09: 42
      we Vietnam ironed ourselves from the air, would they accept or not ZSU all the same weapons of defense, what would they do there?
      1. +3
        April 21 2014 10: 33
        Quote: CruorVult
        and whether or not ZSU in

        excellent anti-personnel remedy (((
        ZSU-23, was used in Afghanistan and Chechnya exclusively as an anti-personnel installation (the Afghan mujahideen had no aircraft))))
        installed in Chechnya, ZU-23 to the Urals, now used in Syria, against militants ((((
        ZU-23 on the WerWolf Mk2 ... chassis
        1. +1
          April 21 2014 11: 51
          All the same, she ZSU, and initially for other purposes. Especially in Vietnam, the main problems are guerrilla resistance, parasites, bolezni, traps, the reluctance of Americans to fight. You can’t drive an anti-aircraft gun into the forest.
          I wanted to say that with the advent of jet aviation, the presence of one component only as an anti-aircraft art system is not enough, the cannon is the modern 57 mm exception with a guided projectile.
          1. 0
            April 21 2014 12: 11
            Quote: CruorVult
            All the same, she ZSU, and initially for other purposes. Especially in Vietnam

            but it was the Vietnamese who actively used the ZU-57, for low-flying targets ((((
            I will not give the statistics of the downed ZU-57, Amer’s planes (google), but the score, the ball is hundreds of units ...
            1. +2
              April 21 2014 12: 55
              Sorry, but IMHO you messed up. From the armored collection, when nab zsu-57-2 flew instantly 17, the crew did not even have time to react.
              And here's what Vika writes: ZSU-57-2 were used in the Vietnam War, in the conflicts between Israel and Syria and Egypt in 1967 and 1973, as well as in the Iran-Iraq war. Due to the relatively low rate of fire and the lack of automated radar guidance devices, this machine did not differ in high efficiency.

              The combat effectiveness of the ZSU-57-2, like other modern ZSUs, was determined not by the level of the installation itself, but by the rapid development of aviation, first of all, by the growth of speeds and all-weather use of front-line aviation, which practically had nothing to counter the ZSU of the regimental air defense level in the 1950s , as well as the fact that all the latest achievements of radio electronics were introduced before artillery in aviation.

              Further, when assessing the combat effectiveness of the ZSU-57-2, it must be borne in mind that it was not the only means of air defense of a tank regiment, but a means of collective air defense from aircraft flying at altitudes up to 4000 m, since altitudes up to 1000 m were blocked by anti-aircraft machine guns DShK / DShKM , which in the tank regiment were as many as units of armored vehicles.
              1. badger1974
                +1
                April 21 2014 13: 27
                Well, there are some drawbacks in the modern sense, all the same, in ZSU-57-2 there were no radioengineering and IK-sr-in, that’s why the reaction is appropriate, but in the modern technology context there is no reason to return the 57 mm to SZA-this can be shown in detail Iranian uninhabited towed 23mm Mesdach, while photo, but video impresses
                1. +1
                  April 21 2014 14: 13
                  Quite the opposite, there was such a magazine in the USSR, called "foreign military review" and it described a German 76 mm anti-aircraft gun with a guided projectile. And the article is right there on the topvar about the new anti-aircraft guns of the shipbuilder, there are just 57mm and a controlled sub-caliber projectile. That is, the density options go to the accuracy of the lesion, which is why they may well roll 57 mm and higher in a new context. Well, Iran is not a trendsetter in the ZSU :)
                  1. +1
                    April 21 2014 16: 37
                    Quote: CruorVult
                    the accuracy of the defeat, so 57 mm and higher may well be buried in a new context. Well, Iran is not a trendsetter in ZSU :)

                    and Germany is a trendsetter ???
                    in the company "Rheinmetall" created, a new anti-aircraft gun "Oerlikon Revolver Gun Mk 2" created in 2001 ((((
                    Mk 2 gun is a remote-controlled anti-aircraft gun mount, caliber 35 mm ((((
                    rate of fire 200 / m, can fire in the mode of increased rate of fire 1000 / m (((
                    Memory Mk 2, can be transported on standard platforms ((
                    programmable ammunition is used, with a blast in the air (((

                    ZSU APC "Piranha 4", with a gun "Oerlikon Revolver Gun Mk 2" ...

                    2-barreled SPAAG, "Aselsan", on the FNSS M113 General Staff, shown on IDEF 13 (((
                  2. badger1974
                    +1
                    April 21 2014 16: 47
                    there is, firstly, a caveat of what principle, the sea is essentially a smooth surface, as far as a non-radiating radar signal, on land a slightly different radar picture, let's not confuse the penis with a finger? different functions and exactly the same as results, if under ideal conditions (even if there is 6 points of excitement) the headlamp of a ship’s radar sees everything ideally, if such a headlamp of radar is put on land, it will be a bridges, do not you find one? but in vain, it means that you have a land creature ZAK larger than 37 mm on the drum, since more than 37 mm in the land version is complete NATO nonsense, I can bet no more
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              2. 0
                April 21 2014 14: 18
                Quote: CruorVult
                writes Vika: ZSU-57-2 were used in the Vietnam War, in

                Vika, controlled by amers ((((
                from the article: VO "Air Defense of North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, showing high efficiency when firing at targets at medium altitudes"
                http://topwar.ru/36652-poslevoennaya-sovetskaya-zenitnaya-artilleriya-chast-2-ya

                .html
                while fencing ... ZU -57 fire and were mostly shot down, US aircraft ...

                let's not forget that in Vietnam, the F-51 Mustang piston attack aircraft, the A-1 Skyrader piston attack aircraft, the A-26 Invader .....

                A-1 piston attack aircraft Skyrader
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        2. 0
          April 21 2014 11: 51
          All the same, she ZSU, and initially for other purposes. Especially in Vietnam, the main problems are guerrilla resistance, parasites, bolezni, traps, the reluctance of Americans to fight. You can’t drive an anti-aircraft gun into the forest.
        3. +1
          April 22 2014 00: 21
          soldier Shilka (ZSU-23-4) was also used as a PP tool ... although it demolished armored personnel carriers quite well
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    3. +2
      April 21 2014 09: 43
      The Pentagon chose XM247 Sergeant York ZSU.

      the single-barrel ZSU XM47 was significantly inferior, in terms of firepower, to the 6 and receiver ...
      1. +1
        April 21 2014 09: 53
        ZSU based on the LAV-25 GAU-12 / U 25 mm Gatling armored personnel carrier ...
      2. +4
        April 21 2014 10: 35
        Video epic fail. Installation as in bad action movies. At the 20th second, it can be seen how it shoots in a horizontal plane, but somehow miraculously knocks down the plane.
        1. +1
          April 21 2014 11: 46
          Duck promotional video :)
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    4. badger1974
      +1
      April 21 2014 10: 35
      she would not have done anything in Vietnam with her ridiculous ammo with 150 rounds at 200-3000 v / min, another thing is a 20-mm ZSU M-163 volcano with a ammo of almost 3000 rounds, this one would really "cut" firing points like an autogen Viet Cong, and on the fortified areas of the infantry, would create an impenetrable barrier to the gooks day and night
      1. 0
        April 21 2014 11: 05
        Quote: badger1974
        ridiculous bk in xnumx shells

        BK could and increase ... in the Soviet - ZSU-57-2, also 150 shells on the barrel (((
        on the C-68 gun, as in the Amer XM47 ZSU, shells with remote detonation (((
        not in vain, they were going to build the BMX8X8 ,, Atom ,, precisely with the modernized C-68 ...
  2. -8
    April 21 2014 07: 47
    Yes artillery post-war zsu - stillborn. As well as our ZSU-57-2 and shilka, which was used and is used more against infantry.
    1. badger1974
      +3
      April 21 2014 10: 47
      Well, firstly, about the stillborn is in vain, some samples of the air defense system have survived to this day, not a lot, not a little more than 60 years, stillborns do not live so much, and secondly, you need to ask the pilots first what would be printed about the "shilka" , especially among American pilots, and tomahawk operators, the latter is exactly the "shilka" mowed quite a lot
      1. 0
        April 21 2014 12: 10
        I had in mind cannon ZSU, you write in the koment of the air defense missile system what will count rocket launchers, a little substitution of concepts, in what kind of missiles are 60 years old, which have been used so successfully? S-125 was adopted in 61 years.
        1. badger1974
          0
          April 21 2014 12: 17
          Well, if you pestilence, then this is evidence, but along the way everyone understands what I mean about self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery, then SZA-if it so pleases, ATP for the amendment
          1. 0
            April 21 2014 13: 25
            Nobody wants to be rude or ulcerate anyone, I want a normal discussion, if I’m wrong somewhere - correct, grasp your arguments and facts. Put the cons duck then tell me why I deserve them. You told about ZSU that you lived for 60 years, it would be interesting to know about them.
          2. 0
            April 21 2014 13: 25
            Nobody wants to be rude or ulcerate anyone, I want a normal discussion, if I’m wrong somewhere - correct, grasp your arguments and facts. Put the cons duck then tell me why I deserve them. You told about ZSU that you lived for 60 years, it would be interesting to know about them.
            1. badger1974
              0
              April 21 2014 13: 50
              I have already told you -SPS for the amendment (that is, thanks), and so, any anti-aircraft installation is built and designed on the basis of something and around something that with regards to the ZSU 24-4 shilka, you should know that the 2A13 is paired with 23 mm the towed unit entered service in 1960, and the 23 × 152 mm ammunition was adopted in 1941, and was actively used in the famous Volkov Yartsev on IL-2 attack aircraft, the same ammunition is used in shilkas to this day, in different interpretations of shells for ammunition (easier to shoot) ---- how convincing, it is possible separately for foreign, but they had a different approach to MZA in general, there are also some ancestors who are still in "battle"
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    2. +1
      April 21 2014 12: 00
      Quote: CruorVult
      Yes artillery post-war zsu - stillborn.

      please joke ???
      the newest Russian air defense missile system "Pantsir S-1", in Syria, it was with guns that a Turkish phantom was shot down, in 2012 ...
      1. +1
        April 21 2014 12: 15
        All the same, the shell is an anti-aircraft missile-cannon system, as I meant zsu-57-2 and zsu-23-4, which just like anti-aircraft guns did not really show. And that an armor with an extreme range of 4km was shot down by an ancient phantom is an exceptional situation.
        1. badger1974
          +3
          April 21 2014 12: 43
          nothing exceptional, the speed and maneuvers of jet aircraft remain the same since the times when they ousted propeller attack aircraft, so that the phantom that the raptor is exactly the same target for the regimental air defense system, in the first Iraqi ZSU, the shilka generally "drove" the coalition aircraft to the echelon to 8000 meters above sea level, and the shilok hunt was caused by the exceptionally successful blockage of low-flying tomahawk KR, and the shilka was destroyed by ground special operations
          1. 0
            April 21 2014 13: 52
            Quote: badger1974
            old from the time they displaced helical strike aircraft


            Now in service with the United States, about 1,5 thousand strike reconnaissance UAVs of the type: RQ-21A STUAS, MQ-9 Reaper Block-1-5, RQ-1 Predator XP (((

            and here for these purposes ZRPK, an ideal complex ((
            but also ZSU ,, Shilka ,, can also work for these purposes ...

            RQ-1 Predator XP, now, the main drummer, in Afghanistan ....
            1. badger1974
              +1
              April 21 2014 18: 01
              I completely agree, all the more so for that there’s a topic exactly, an inexpensively sliding ultrashort diopter, it even easily illuminates insects, and this already exists, and there’s nothing to beat with missiles, it’s easier than a 23-mm model of the 41st year, easily
          2. 0
            April 21 2014 14: 27
            that is, for half a century it will count to you neither faster nor more maneuverable :-D For example, the phantom has a cruising speed of 900 km / h and the raprop has 1800, although the afterburner is cannon 2300 and 2500, but still. we must still understand that there are different echelons of defense, the lowest cannon, jet aircraft is not his, helicopter, attack aircraft is his. The Shell and the tunguska with a 30mm threshold of 4 km, which is 8 km for 23 mm guns in general, is not even funny, although the fear cannon is big, nobody wants to die :)
            1. +1
              April 22 2014 14: 40
              For example, the phantom's cruising speed is 900 km / h and the rapraper has 1800, although the afterburner cannon is 2300 and 2500
              ---------------------------------------
              Did the Raptor already become an impact machine?
              And drums, as they used to use weapons on a sound level, are still being used. To search for SC, extra speed is not needed, and often it just interferes
          3. 0
            April 21 2014 14: 27
            that is, for half a century it will count to you neither faster nor more maneuverable :-D For example, the phantom has a cruising speed of 900 km / h and the raprop has 1800, although the afterburner is cannon 2300 and 2500, but still. we must still understand that there are different echelons of defense, the lowest cannon, jet aircraft is not his, helicopter, attack aircraft is his. The Shell and the tunguska with a 30mm threshold of 4 km, which is 8 km for 23 mm guns in general, is not even funny, although the fear cannon is big, nobody wants to die :)
            1. badger1974
              0
              April 21 2014 17: 04
              Well, stop the hysteria, what's the difference for a shell with a SAM speed of 1100 m per second, that for a phantom that for a raptor, it will go to the point of no return to the ZRAK zone, and all the cranks, if supplemented by a division like "hummock", it is unrealistic to leave without being hit most importantly, no one wants to die, but there is one trick - "and for what to die" - because you will have to die, I tell you, for half a century nothing has changed except for the air defense of the USSR and exactly Russia, which is building up air defense systems; from company to regional, the striped ones have a failure in this
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      3. badger1974
        0
        April 21 2014 12: 20
        even did not hear about this, namely when? and what? rocket or mute swords? I’d use a date, I’ll get drunk myself, although stripes with allies specifically clean everything in nete,
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  4. badger1974
    +1
    April 21 2014 10: 53
    plus to the author, especially for the detailed photos, a rhetorical question arose - why did not the "striped" enter without a link tape, but preferred a drum, how silly the ZSU looks with a ridiculous BC
    1. +1
      April 21 2014 11: 31
      Quote: badger1974
      "striped" did not introduce without a link tape, but preferred a drum, as it is stupid

      in the Czechoslovak 57-mm memory R-10, they also used a drum: firing range - 8000 m., projectile speed - 1000 m / s, projectile weight - 2,5kg ...
      ZSU based on the T-34-85 in the LP-157 variant with the 57mm R-10 automatic gun ...
      1. badger1974
        +1
        April 21 2014 12: 12
        the Czech R-10, a little-known fact, while the Czechs did not take into account the high buildup of the installation due to the high location of the barrel and the spring suspension of the 34-hod, in general, this created conditions when the first was less or less aimed - and the rest in white light as a pretty penny that is past with a huge spread
  5. 0
    April 21 2014 12: 50
    But what about m163 Volcano? Almost everything is the same, m113 in the base, only the gun there is 20 mm.
    If I’m not mistaken, she was in service at least until the end of the 80s. Maybe now it’s worth it.
    1. badger1974
      +1
      April 21 2014 13: 12
      you will not be mistaken when the "stinger" of the first series was successfully tested in Afghanistan in a positive way, the striped ones simply counted the money and realized that the Chapparel air defense system and the 163 volcano and others like it were a waste of time and, most importantly, money, the war with paps and baboons not worth it, therefore, land air defense in the states is a costly thing, from that it is undeveloped, they first have a "carpet", then a MLRS grind, then a cleanup - in this regard, the ZSU is just like the fifth wheel in a cart, unlike us
      1. 0
        April 21 2014 17: 11
        Quote: badger1974
        when the "stinger" of the first series was successfully in Afghanistan


        I do not agree: in 80's, the ZRPK, the LAV-AD complex (((
        on the LAV-25 armored personnel carrier with the local Blaser tower installed (2's on it ((
        two-man turret: armament, missile block "Stinger", as well as 25-mm cannon M242 (((
        Quote: badger1974
        e zsu just like a fifth wheel in a cart

        Yes, I agree to the ZRPK series, I didn’t go ....
        1. badger1974
          +1
          April 21 2014 17: 47
          under the conquistador policy of striped cowboys, this is the norm, but they already got it in the teeth in Syria, and in my CRIMEA, ZRAK and S-400 air defense systems, well, let them think it’s possible to hack any aircraft from the Crimea from any Turks or Bulkaria airfields, well, romania and down at gunpoint
  6. +1
    April 21 2014 16: 29
    To put a six-barrel on a land chassis is a dream of many ...
    laughing
    Etozh him put a trailer with ammunition with him, and not one.

    I have an idea !
    fellow

    We take the articulated DT-30, because it has a 30 tonne capacity? Good !
    Stuffing:
    - to the head car ... the latest Duet with 2 six-barrel trunks,
    - to the second link ... we tram shells at the maxim,
    - reserve this beast,
    and...
    mow the adversary as in a haymaking !!!
    lol laughing drinks

    clickable:
    1. +2
      April 21 2014 16: 32
      Quote: Aleks tv
      the latest Duo with 2 six-barreled trunks,


      But seriously:

      1.) The composition of the anti-aircraft armament of anti-aircraft combat vehicles for the Ground Forces is already well defined at Tunguska and Shell, this is a combination of the required number of rapid-firing artillery and missiles.

      2.) But about the need for multi-barrel small-caliber artillery to “work” on land targets little is said, but it is growing every year.
      What is ?
      - BMP-2 gives little fire and is poorly protected,
      - Shilka perfectly "cuts", but is also insufficiently armored,
      - ZSU-57-2 is outdated and also poorly armored, but the C-60 gun is still excellent,
      - BMPT? ... 2 barrel and tank reservation. Well, at least something. On fish without cancer and fish, as they say, but it is NOT in the army ...

      And what are we doing ???
      That's right - WE DO IT!
      And so there are “Afghan Shilka” and the famous “Tachanka” ...
      Aw, VPK, hde?!?!?!

      Photo:
      The tachanka in the "Czech Republic" is just a BEAST in skillful and playful hands:
      Yes good drinks
      clickable
      1. badger1974
        0
        April 21 2014 17: 17
        it is a pity that you did not note that the sawn-off shotgun of the KAMAZ cardan is ideally suited to a 82-mm mine, so for cars, by the way
      2. +1
        April 21 2014 17: 57
        Quote: Aleks tv
        BMP-2 gives little fire and is poorly protected,

        Unfortunately, this type of modernization is being delivered to Algeria.
        1. 0
          April 21 2014 21: 52
          Quote: gallville
          Unfortunately, this type of modernization is being delivered to Algeria.

          we would like to upgrade the BMP-2, as the Israelis modernized, their M113 (((
          maximizing the protection of armored personnel carriers for assault operations in urban areas !!!
      3. +1
        April 21 2014 17: 59
        Here is such an option for bmd-2. But during the modernization of more than 400 units. BMD-1 (to the level of BMD2) and BMD-2 cars received only a new radio station and barrel stabilizer.
        1. badger1974
          0
          April 21 2014 18: 16
          in the outskirts it’s a damn ...... all in all, just cut the loot, it’s a pity, it’s a pity, maybe it’s good that the 91st dashing people didn’t allow me to enter the design department at KhTZ, I’m probably right now in my place, although not youth entails
      4. 0
        April 21 2014 21: 35
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Aw, VPK, hde?!?!?!

        and the military-industrial complex in Nigeria, where else can he be lol !!
        Windhoeker Maschinenfabrik Ltd - Namibian company, INDUSTRIAL manufacturing, ZU-23-2 on the armored chassis Wrap WerWolf, with armored cabs
        Oh!!!!
        http://www.wmf.com.na/

        Shushpanzer C-68 from Yugoslavia (((
  7. +1
    April 21 2014 18: 02
    All hope that this will not be in such a redneck configuration as combat machines of previous generations:
    1. badger1974
      0
      April 21 2014 18: 11
      design disgrace, and for me it’s so wrecking, not really that design idea completely died out, ........
      1. +1
        April 21 2014 21: 44
        Quote: badger1974
        design disgrace, and for me it’s so wrecking, not really that design idea completely died out, ........

        not where she (THOUGHT), did not die out, just not to whom, not what is not necessary, just words and promises ...
        here is the shushpanzer, photo from Chechnya 2000-2001, year .... what is the shape of the case good !!! MTO in the nose good !!!, is there a feed inlet exit and what kind of pipe is sticking out of the armored pipe - I don’t know ((((

        the chassis is similar to the T-54,55, but how could it be re-organized in the Czech Republic, in artisanal conditions ????
        ours in the military-industrial complex, with 90's not how they cannot do this!
        !!
        plaque, evil is not enough .....
        1. +2
          April 21 2014 22: 18
          native landfill Kapustin Yar (Kapyar) ....

          sing yes steppe around good !!!
          1. +1
            April 21 2014 22: 33
            Quote: cosmos111
            sing yes steppe around

            A good video is "Working".
            Polygon.
            good
        2. badger1974
          +1
          April 22 2014 00: 18
          "overfed" - this is what everyone is doing without getting caught, turning it upside down, and what else can the children of idiocy do?
        3. 0
          25 December 2015 09: 32
          Shushpanzer from the technician of the city of Santa Claus Veliky Ustyug