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"Euromaidan brain"Writer Platon Besedin: Crimea showed Donbass the only possible format of dialogue with the Kiev authorities


The fact that the Crimea became Russian is logical. He has always been so - mentally, spiritually, culturally. And the more Russianness was crushed on the peninsula, the stronger it became stronger in the hearts of its inhabitants. In order to erupt at the crucial moment on offenders with the lava of righteous anger.

Euromaidan made a mistake, having forgotten: the Russian person cannot be humiliated - from this he only gets stronger to return and, finally, to take his own.

The peninsula was Russian economically. Crimean plants worked first on the Soviet Union, and after - on Russia. Ukrainian independence has sentenced them. At the same time, the destruction was of a paranoid nature: when an enterprise received an order from Russia, people from the Ukrainian government structures appeared in the director’s office, explaining that there could be no communication with the enemy.

Yes, in such conditions Crimea was doomed to become Russian again. It was necessary to raise only one question - the issue of security. And he was raised when they started talking not about the dialogue between the Crimea and Kiev, but about “trains of friendship” and intolerance towards Russians.

Having chosen Russia, Crimeans insured themselves against the bloody East Ukrainian scenario. Sevastopol did not become the Crimean Lugansk, and Armyansk - Slavic.

A few days ago I was at the Sevastopol school. The children showed numbers in Russian and Ukrainian, and Tyutchev's portrait was side by side with the portrait of Shevchenko. This is to the word about respect and tolerance, which are possible only in safe, and therefore favorable conditions. One can hardly talk about them when on the streets - either a revolution, or a counter-revolution, or a mobilization, or a military action.

Yes, there are difficulties in the Crimea, there are a lot of them. After 16 in March, Sevastopol did not automatically turn into New Vasyuki, and Simferopol - into New Moscow. But the path has begun. And never before have the inhabitants of the peninsula been so optimistic.

This is the fraternal news, the friendly advice of the Crimea to the Ukrainian East. Not in the context of separation, no, but in the context of the format of a dialogue with the new Ukrainian government.

No examples of her are inspiring. And mistakes are taught little. Turchinov, Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko, Avakov will be the people about whom in textbooks stories write: "Guilty of the loss of the Crimea." And they can continue and add: "... Donetsk, Lugansk regions." It’s just that the defendants themselves seem to still not believe that they are capable of making mistakes. The ghost of the sinlessness of Euromaidan stands behind their left shoulder.

That is why no conclusions have been made. That is why the policy of double standards, which is deadly for the integrity of the country, continues.

Who do these people work for? To Ukraine? Hardly. If their colleague Dmitry Yarosh was categorical in his recent address: “During the war, the authorities are not criticized. It is right. But it is worth remembering another thing: during war, traitors are shot. ”

“Bullet in the forehead” is today almost a favorite saying to those who defended the new Ukraine in the squares of the country. Where are their dividends? And the new tariffs and prices - here they are, you will not be fooled.

In the country of collapse, and Parliament continues to stamp ridiculous laws. Dabbled in philology and nationalism before the loss of the Crimea, have fun with them and in the conditions of the flaming East. They did not go to Simferopol - they did not even go to Donetsk. In the Crimea, Ukrainian military units abandoned by the state stood, while “national guardsmen” were sent to the East, who, in the opinion of the authorities, apparently only dream about war with the brothers.

Donbass is even more Russian territory than the Crimea. There are no Tatars here. There have always actively voted, starting from the first of the pro-Russian sympathies. And most of the enterprises here are sharpened on the Russian market (up to 70% of exports).

The more suicidal for the Ukrainian authorities to bend the policy of double standards, repression, military suppression and appeal to the topic of Russian intervention. But she, like a kamikaze, continues to hold this course, falling under the definition of "both laughter and sin."

There is a simple explanation for this - lack of professionalism. A similar trouble has tormented Ukraine, like Russia, always: only bastards and rogues who forged successful fates in bloody squabbles sucked in on the trough, while decent people read books and prayed sins. The system was built in such a way that “troechnik” came to power.

Any structure is an example. Euromaidan, along with a dozen other Ukrainian ills hiding cancer cells in the square of the body, also extracted this shortage of personnel. In the ministers there are taxi drivers, in the presidents there are pastors.

Under become people and methods. Need to resolve the issue? We go to the assault, stock up tires. Need to agree? We blackmail, we are all Ukraine. Need to take into account the interests of citizens? We are talking about the titular nation, let the rest calm down.

But to govern the country is not to do Euromaidan. There is little revolutionary adrenaline and populist rhetoric. Here, they say, it is necessary to plow. Do not hurry. And it is unlikely to accelerate. For an adequate perception of reality is broken. New Ukrainian heroes are still there - on Euromaidan. And he will be with them, in them always.

This is Euromaidan of the brain, mixed with the effect of psychological infection. Songs and dances, promises and oaths in non-stop mode will change the mind of anyone. The feeling of unity, of the fact that everything is possible together, is certainly good, but in the context of the special prose of life, it is deadly, because other qualities are valued in it.

But many have not moved. It still seems to them that they are among like-minded people and with them - the people. In fact, now they met with all of Ukraine, including the one that they did not want to admit. And the people, even their own, are farther and farther away from them. Contact with reality is lost.

Any actions that do not fit the context will inevitably look ridiculous. Here, four-eyes, Yatsenyuk scares the “Moscow monster” - just as convincingly and scary as he drove people to Maidan, receiving in response a message to the same erotic route. Here Turchinov, like Doctor Evil, presses the church and promises to lead the gay parade. Now, Tyagnibok enters the arena with a “crown” about “Muscovites and the Jew”, forgetting that such rhetoric was allowed by the European Union for the sake of a common “good cause”, but now it is again a moveton.

True, these characters in politics for a long time, so that after all, but they parade. The main symbol of Euromaidan in Ukrainian politics is Interior Minister Arsen Avakov. Here is a special flight of thought! How brilliantly, professionally, he disarms, surrounds enemies, collects, mobilizes wards! In Facebook.

All this might seem comical, if not ridiculous, with the attempt to, so to speak, unpretentious humor, but today in the East of Ukraine people are actually being killed and blood is being poured, and armored personnel carriers and Tanks surround Donetsk and Slavyansk. However, even in ancient Rome, the circus was a place not only for fun, but also for executions and torture.

In such conditions, it is constructively problematic to speak. Either laugh, or slaughter. Meanwhile, Donbas, like the whole of Ukraine, is in dire need of serious conversation. And, perhaps, Crimea showed him the only possible format of dialogue with the new Ukrainian government.
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  1. ispaniard
    ispaniard April 18 2014 15: 51
    +21
    Platon Besedin thanks for the articles, you write knowing the topic and without the "Shapkozakidatelstva" ... It's nice to call you FATHER wink
    1. COLUN
      COLUN April 18 2014 16: 04
      +23
      Southeast does not win!
      Show me a Russian spy here!
      And at 1:20, straight handsome:

      1. Manul
        Manul April 18 2014 16: 20
        +7
        Quote: COLUN
        Southeast does not win!
        Show me a Russian spy here!
        And at 1:20, straight handsome:

        Let's hit with creativity and songs of the South-East, according to the putrid power of the Kiev junta!
      2. Kostya
        Kostya April 18 2014 18: 02
        +1
        Yes, perhaps I agree))) 1:20 - good)
        1. Manul
          Manul April 18 2014 23: 55
          +1
          Quote: Kostya
          1:20 - good)

          If you are talking about a driver, then a full video was uploaded on some thread (sorry, I didn’t copy the URL) - there DPSnik stops him and rubs him in for a long time (like about a ribbon), he, on the verge of patience, asks what and what for. Turchinov ... And the carrier exploded and sent Turchinov and his whole company in three, five and seven letters. The strained sent traffic cop until that moment was severe and serious, and was determined to fulfill his "duty". As soon as he heard such a message , smiled good-naturedly and waved his wand - "go further" .. Golden roller laughing
    2. mountaineer
      mountaineer April 18 2014 16: 04
      +11
      article about it .... laughing
    3. Ased
      Ased April 18 2014 16: 19
      +7
      Quote: ispaniard
      But to rule the country is not to do Euromaidan.


      To seize power in Kiev was not as difficult as we would like.
      We agreed on loans, yelled at Russia, signed a lot of papers.
      But here begins real work - it is necessary to feed the country! Without food, people usually die! And we must make sure that the granny from the Maidan had enough for heat, bread and so on.
      And what do we see? Just this new government does not. And vice versa! They freeze payments to state employees, increase prices by ... yes, EVERYTHING!
      Then, most likely Ukraine declares itself bankrupt, and will pay off loans with assets of state enterprises (that is, will sell part of Ukraine) at a bargain price. And along the way, a couple of yards will flow into a hundred pockets.
      This was achieved by the Maidan!
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak April 18 2014 20: 21
        +2
        Quote: ASed
        It was not so difficult to seize power in Kiev

        Approaching May 9 - Reminder Day...
    4. Ross
      Ross April 18 2014 17: 38
      +19
      An ironic review of Ukrainian events from Kiev:
      We agreed to hang from May 26.
      Installation of SZO Grad during persistent and prolonged movement to Donbass fell into the reservoir and drowned. This Putin sawed the bridge.
      Gangsters, criminals, separatists and terrorists directed by GRU colonels seize buildings in the Southeast. In Kiev, only peaceful patriots, inspired by the light ghost of Bandera, do the same.
      The last attempt to storm the Verkhovna Rada took place completely out of time. The deputies had not yet had time to bite the lamb, parmesan and beef tongues ordered for the parliamentary canteen in the bacon.
      After the unprecedented trip of the National Guard to Artyomovsk shamefully failed, Acting President Turchinov decided to crush the separatists with the army. Saakashvili’s laurels haunt!
      Tymoshenko is no longer to blame. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a provocateur serving Putin’s boot!
      Bulatov admitted that a shark in the Dominican Republic had bitten off a piece of his ear with a Russian accent. She also ate the money of Avtomaydan.
      Yanukovych is already alive three or four times. For the last time, the former Minister of the Interior and the former Prosecutor General were also alive. The number of living is growing.
      The living Yanukovych and his comrades-in-arms are compensated by the unshootable Avakov, the unburned Ruslana and not firing a bullet in Yatsenyuk's forehead.
      Our only weapon is the table! - said the oligarch Akhmetov. However, many believe that the important word “c” is missing in the last word of the statement.
      Official Kiev mixed up the Swiss flag with the Danish one. Now the answers are feared: what if the Swiss take it and confuse something with bank accounts?
      The director of the CIA really flew to Kiev. Evil languages ​​claim that he arrived long ago and even for the purpose of conspiracy he submitted documents for registration as a candidate for president of Ukraine under the guise of a Poltava homeless person. The purpose of the visit is the search for the mercenaries of PMC Greystone Limited, who have completely lost their way in the Donetsk heaps of land. It turned out that the mercenaries did not disappear, but turned out to be GRU lieutenant colonels deeply rooted in Greystone Limited.
      Everyone wants to make a country. Some with white thread, others with surgical.
      In Crimea, repression against free people began. Sevastopol has banned gay parades. Local gays and lesbians en masse join the ranks of Crimean refugees.
      After Novodvorskaya did not give the Russian, she decided to join the ranks of the Ukrainian army and reliably swore allegiance. Now the army has its own Jeanne!
      Suspicious flyers appeared in Donetsk: car washes promise 25 percent discounts to Russian tanks.
      Hundreds on the Maidan fought: they are sent to the East at the same time when the radish ripened in the beds!
      Putyara, you're done! Students of Ivano-Frankivsk sentenced Vladimir Putin.
      Having suffered the first losses of armored vehicles on the Southeast Front, acting President understood that in recent years, the Ukrainian army was led by agents of the Kremlin.
      An FSB agent, call sign "Masha s Uralmash", was detained in Kherson. The SBU exposed the saboteur through a personal page on the social network. The employees saw a particular danger in the 5th size of the spy's chest, with which she was going to demoralize high-ranking officials and patriots.
      For those who beat windows in the Verkhovna Rada building, parliament speaker Turchinov offered to work in the police in the Southeast. No one caught the cause and effect: neither the police, nor the attackers on the Verkhovna Rada. Strange fantasies are visited by Turchinov: a policeman with a club and a cobblestone in his hands. Interestingly, what kind of grass is smoked in Rada?
      1. nika407
        nika407 April 18 2014 18: 34
        +22
        Well, I can’t just get past this character, especially since I read about her next feat. I want to warn the brothers of the Slavs that this is a very dangerous weapon, especially if it falls from a height, many ... will fly away. Well, in the field it is recommended to carry gas masks with you.
        1. sso-xnumx
          sso-xnumx April 18 2014 18: 52
          +5
          And they didn’t try to teach a toad to fly without a parachute ??? But it’s a pity ..........
        2. Cherdak
          Cherdak April 18 2014 20: 24
          +2
          Quote: nika407
          if it falls from a height, a lot of g ... will fly apart.

          We must not forget to substitute a wide-blade fan!
          It is guaranteed to cover the whole of the Baltic States winked
        3. Putnik960
          Putnik960 April 18 2014 21: 44
          0
          It’s necessary to pull out the parachute !!!
      2. balyaba
        balyaba April 18 2014 23: 51
        +1
        Ha! The FSB again scammed to the fullest - you can’t take Avakov 5 in size!
  2. Klim2011
    Klim2011 April 18 2014 15: 54
    +5
    Yes, it’s not for nothing that the parents named the author Plato.
    1. hrych
      hrych April 18 2014 16: 38
      +4
      With Plato, everything is clear, but what Pavel will tell us (Globa at one time in the archives of the Central Committee nadibal ancient prophecies and periodically gives surprisingly accurate forecasts):

      Back in 2009, an astrologer predicted the collapse of Ukraine into three parts.

      “Ukraine will also not survive the crisis, it will be divided into three parts. The collapse will not happen now, but by the 2014 year in Ukraine there will be de facto two administrations independent from each other, while maintaining the formal integrity of the territory, in approximately the same format as today in Moldova. The East Ukrainian Federation will not submit to Kiev and will de facto become part of the Russian Empire, Crimea will become Ukrainian Chechnya ”...
    2. Duke
      Duke April 18 2014 17: 05
      +2
      Thanks for the article, good and thoughtful.
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  4. fedor13
    fedor13 April 18 2014 15: 54
    +7
    It’s much harder for Donbas, knowing that not to join Russia. And you have to fight to the death. Crimeans uniquely lucky. But I believe in miners!
  5. Validator
    Validator April 18 2014 15: 55
    +15
    Raisin guerrillas act!
  6. Turkir
    Turkir April 18 2014 15: 58
    +6
    Just passed - a humanitarian catastrophe awaits Ukraine.
    Europe is going to help than is unknown.
    I guess - expired products and toilet paper.
    Brains decided not to send. We, in Europe, say, on the brain, deficit.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 18 2014 16: 04
      +8
      Quote: Turkir
      Just passed - a humanitarian catastrophe awaits Ukraine.

      It was clear from the first days of the Maidan.
      Quote: Turkir
      Europe is going to help than is unknown.

      What-what-promises of a better, dignified life ... But no more ...
      I don’t know - one day the solarium will end, which is being run by the remnants of the Ukrainian Armed Forces equipment. But I’m sure of one thing - soon, nobody will be able to contain an all-Ukrainian mess ...
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    3. matross
      matross April 18 2014 16: 08
      +1
      Quote: Turkir
      Just passed - a humanitarian catastrophe awaits Ukraine.

      Yes, it's not just that! It has long been clear - a matter of weeks. We are waiting for the hunger riots in the west and the collapse of the army!
      1. Turkir
        Turkir April 18 2014 16: 16
        +1
        This is not my message - it is in Europe woke up.
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt April 18 2014 16: 11
      +9
      This "just" became apparent when they gathered to privatize Ukraine, involving an association in the EU. laughing
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/005/qjzb113.jpg
  7. ZU-23
    ZU-23 April 18 2014 15: 58
    +1
    When the people have already dispersed them, well enough already, played around and took pictures in classrooms, now it’s time to get out of this Maidanava coma smile .
  8. striker
    striker April 18 2014 15: 58
    +3
    After yesterday's meeting in Geneva at the Bandera forums, glee
    http://forumua.org/viewtopic.php?f=262&t=445935&start=14820



    Well, who has any feelings, brothers?
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 April 18 2014 16: 05
      +5
      Quote: striker
      Well, who has any feelings, brothers?

      Yes, all these Geneva treaties are not about anything, clowns continue to work with double standards, they sing to Lavrov and then give a press conference and sing another, and so the Nazi flywheel is launched. As in Syria, they themselves do not fight, but the militants are fed here.
      1. Akulina
        Akulina April 18 2014 16: 34
        +3
        This is just the beginning ... 23 years of rotting an entire country and 7 hours of negotiations for a dozen people - in my opinion the result is simply excellent.
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    3. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 April 18 2014 16: 05
      +4
      Statement by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the DPR regarding the arrangements in Geneva. Nobody is going to disarm. So Illarionov in vain throwing premature tantrums.

      OFFICIAL STATEMENT
      Of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Donetsk People's Republic on the results of the negotiations in Geneva on April 17 2014


      On April 17 in Geneva, a four-way meeting took place with the participation of Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs S. Lavrov, US Secretary of State J. Kerry, EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy C. Ashton and the Minister for Foreign Affairs in the government formed earlier in Kiev A The attendant.

      Following the meeting, the parties came to the following positions for resolving the situation in Ukraine: all illegal armed groups should be disarmed; illegally occupied buildings returned to their legitimate owners; occupied streets, squares and other public places in all cities of Ukraine are freed; An amnesty should be held for all protesters, with the exception of those who committed serious crimes.

      In this regard, we are pleased to note a change in the position of Western countries in relation to Ukrainian events and support their understanding of the need to disarm all nationalist armed gangs that occupied administrative buildings and streets of Ukrainian cities. We welcome this position, according to which the leadership of the Kiev junta should immediately relinquish all power and vacate all the government buildings in Ukraine taken by it illegally by armed means and return them to their former owners - legitimate representatives of Ukrainian state power.

      At the same time, we do not count not only on fulfillment, but even on imitation of fulfillment of these agreements by the Kiev junta. The junta understands the “de-escalation” solely as the use of military force. So, on the day of the negotiations, the agenda of which cynically stated “amnesty for all protesters” was used, representatives of the Kiev junta seized several dozen new hostages from among the participants of the Donetsk resistance in Mariupol. All this suggests that no release of persons previously captured by the junta is planned and will not happen, which makes all the agreements reached meaningless. Initially, no one is going to fulfill these agreements. It is noteworthy that immediately after the negotiations, without even waiting for the ink to dry on the signed documents, Mr. A. Deshchitsa actually disavowed their results, curling about the junta’s intention to continue to use troops and violence in the East.

      We are compelled to state that our warning about the legal insignificance and political meaninglessness of the “all-Ukrainian” dialogue without the participation of legal representatives of the East of Ukraine and the Donetsk People’s Republic, unfortunately, was fully justified. Ignoring the will of the people of Donbass led to a logical sad outcome: the results of the negotiations cannot be evaluated otherwise than as a set of meaningless, unrelated and unrealizable calls sent by unknown to whom, unknown to whom, to be fulfilled in an unknown time and in an unknown manner. At present, they do not reflect either political realities or the new legal situation that arose after the proclamation of the sovereign Donetsk People’s Republic and on the territory of the DPR have no legal force.

      This official statement by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the DPR was brought to the representatives of:

      - US Department of State;
      - The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia;
      - The High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs, C. Ashton.

      Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Donetsk People's Republic - E. Gubareva
      18 April 2014 of the year.
      1. Akulina
        Akulina April 18 2014 16: 50
        +7
        Russia rested on the last - did not want to go to negotiations without representatives of the South-Eastern regions .. But I had to - would be accused again of not wanting to participate in stabilizing the situation in Ukraine. In order to move things off the ground - we need to talk. The result of these negotiations, in my opinion, is not that they signed it, but that the West will really be convinced that the Ukrainian authorities are inadequate, that they are not the authorities themselves. And then it will already be possible to say - that Ukraine does not comply with the decisions of the International Agreement - and this is an offense and a bell for the USA and Europe. Then things will go faster ....
    4. MolGro
      MolGro April 18 2014 16: 06
      +4
      The feeling that the representative of Ukraine in the west tries was sent!
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 April 18 2014 16: 12
        +8
        Just a wonderful answer. This is the only way to position yourself. Of course, the junta should not be believed, its emissaries should be sent by the forest, continue to strengthen their sovereignty and free new cities and villages from the junta’s authority.
        The fact is that now it is possible to demand execution, which includes the return of Yanukovych to Kiev, and the restoration of his power and the disbandment and disarmament of all formations invented by the junta, and the PS too. Naturally, only Russian peacekeepers will be able to guarantee the disarmament of the Anti-Fascist Resistance, which means that the task of the Anti-Fascist Resistance in the greatest possible number of regions to start an armed struggle. Its success is not important - the fact itself is important. Because then, Russian peacekeepers will be able to enter this area to disarm and control disarmament.
        And if the junta refuses - then there is a reason to blame her and everything further continues as it began. It is important that the Resistance understand this point.
        But betrayal is not ruled out - when there are voices that are very influential in Russia and which insist on interpreting the junta - then they must be suppressed by their own choir of correct interpretations. And then any number of volunteers from Russia can already be sent to the Anti-Fascist Resistance, since then it will not matter who has which passport.
        So this agreement of possibilities - the only question is - are Russian citizens able to collect and provide with goods, money and partly weapons (ten thousand militias are in storage at Lugansk) in the case of the third option? If not, then this is the only losing option. If so, then even the treacherous version is not defeated.
        Well, we will wait for the appearance of polite people ...
    5. Gecko
      Gecko April 18 2014 16: 11
      +11
      Judging by this photograph
      Kerry: Look Deshchits is peeping.
      Lavrov: Yes poher.
    6. Thompson
      Thompson April 18 2014 16: 12
      +1
      There is a sense of frustration, but I think it’s just beginning. Neither one will come to a compromise, and if they do, then someone will be very deceived. I think everything will go in a different way
    7. WIN969
      WIN969 April 18 2014 16: 28
      +3
      Many experts say that Russia surrendered the South-East, satisfied with the annexation of the Crimea, but then Putin’s words are unclear during a straight line that are contrary to all those Geneva agreements. It is evident that you will have to wait for the upcoming events that will show the real fact of the matter. But I think that the junta will violate these agreements, and we are counting on this. Because they are unlikely to go to disarmament.
      1. nika407
        nika407 April 18 2014 18: 48
        +7
        Lavrov, in addition to all the disarmament listed above and other things, achieved the main thing, namely the recognition of the EU and the USA by the militia of the SE, not by terrorists and not extremists, but by a people fighting for their rights. And progress is already there, some journalists from the EU and SNN have seen. They showed that they ran and searched for Russian tanks, were surprised at the medieval moats on the border. Moreover, Lavrov insisted that there was no government in Ukraine and there was nobody to negotiate with, the EU and Kerry argued, arguing the opposite. By signing the agreement, the Kiev Kunst-camera must either fulfill the conditions, proving that it can, or once again demonstrate its insolvency, secured by the signatures of the EU and the USA. And when this power cannot, then there will be that power that can.
    8. mamont5
      mamont5 April 18 2014 16: 49
      +8
      Quote: striker
      After yesterday's meeting in Geneva at the Bandera forums, glee
      Well, who has any feelings, brothers?


      Yes, everything is fine. I think that the situation is under control. As for the great-Ukrainians, they naturally got the information tinted with the right color and joyfully threw it into their networks. In general, our draft agreement was adopted; the Ukrainian Ambassador was simply shut up. Here's another thing, but will any of this agreement be implemented? And what will happen next?
      "The Geneva Agreement is a silk lace for the junta.
      Since the creature of the West has already refused to carry it out, the hands of the West are tied, and for Russia, on the contrary
      So, yesterday in Geneva ended the quadripartite negotiations to resolve the situation in Ukraine. What is the outcome?
      It is clear, finally, that the agreement is purely a declaration of intentions, neither the RF nor the AYuV is binding on anything, because there is not even a hint of any deadlines, execution mechanisms and control over implementation. The parties agreed to “continue to meet in different formats”, and “the US and the EU are showing a sincere interest in trilateral meetings with Russia,” that is, Kiev’s opinion does not interest anyone. Also, the Russian Federation does not object to the "OSCE mediating missions", but at the same time intends to "support" them. That is, to make sure that everything is 'fair' and 'objective'. "
      http://www.russiapost.su/archives/22353
      1. Anper
        Anper April 18 2014 17: 56
        +4
        Quote: mamont5
        situation under control

        Dejavu. They rejoiced in the same way when Trupchinov and Yaytsenyukh sat in the Verkhovna Rada. Then they almost got away with hatred when the Crimea left. Now we rejoice about the Geneva Agreements. At least someone remembered what happens after a great jubilation on the Censor .not.
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    10. Orik
      Orik April 18 2014 18: 26
      +2
      Quote: striker
      After yesterday's meeting in Geneva at the Bandera forums, glee
      Well, who has any feelings, brothers?

      This is not glee, but a hysteria, and she is already the second month. Yesterday's Geneva paper was about nothing, it only demonstrated the desire of the high contracting parties to agree and the place of geyropa and ukrov in this scenario. There is no written implementation mechanism (you don’t think that they will begin to liberate the buildings of Kiev and disarm various rabble laughing ), given the hysteria of ukrov, it will not be. So, we are waiting for the continuation, this is a long game. We need ALL Little Russia. hi
    11. MG42
      MG42 April 18 2014 18: 59
      +7
      Quote: striker
      After yesterday's meeting in Geneva at the Bandera forums, glee

      Yes, maydauns rejoice, starting with Yaytsenyuk last night called on Russia to fulfill what it signed. sad

      Although Putin said a little differently yesterday afternoon. >>>

      President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin insists that the east of Ukraine is Novorossia, which has been part of Ukraine only since the 1920s. He said this during a “direct line” with citizens, reports LigaBusinessInform. Putin noted that the Bolsheviks gave this territory to Ukraine in the 20s, and the Russian president does not understand "why they did this." In this situation, the President of the Russian Federation considers the main issue - ensuring the rights of the Russian-speaking population in eastern Ukraine. “We must help these people protect their rights. Let me remind you that the Federation Council granted me the right to use troops in Ukraine. I really hope that I will not have to exercise this right, ”Putin said.


      there is a video on the link below >>>
      http://fakty.ictv.ua/ru/index/read-news/id/1512164
    12. Egoza
      Egoza April 18 2014 19: 36
      +3
      Quote: striker
      Well, who has any feelings, brothers?

      Opinion of "Ukraine's friend and Putin's enemy". I recommend to read!
      Andrey Illarionov
      Friday, April 18, 2014 11:09 a.m.
      Ukrainians betrayed you

      "That is, at first they sold it. And now they betrayed it," economist Andrei Illarionov writes in his blog, commenting on the agreement reached in Geneva.

      The official text of the quadripartite statement following the results of the Geneva meeting on April 17 was published. It is also posted below in P.P.S. The picture is as follows: Putin got everything he wanted. It seems even more.
      1. Ukraine de facto agreed to “external management” - issues related to the exclusive conduct of national authorities in domestic politics will now be decided by forces external to Ukraine. These external forces are the West and Russia. How the West showed itself in relation to Ukraine can be judged by how the USA and Great Britain fulfill their obligations to Ukraine under the Budapest memorandum. There is no need to explain how the current Russian regime fulfills its obligations to Ukraine. In other words, the said statement legalizes the de facto external governance of Ukraine.

      2. The document does not require the withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine, including special forces of the GRU, the FSB, the MTR and others. That is, their presence in Ukraine is now de facto legalized.

      3. The document does not speak of Russian aggression at all. It does not contain a word about the war waged by the Putin regime against Ukraine. That is, now even the fact of Russian aggression is legalized.

      4. The document does not say a word about maintaining the territorial integrity of Ukraine. In it, even at the statement level, representatives of the current Russian regime did not guarantee the internationally recognized borders of Ukraine. In other words, their violation is legalized.

      5. The document does not contain a word about Crimea. That is, the capture, occupation, annexation of Crimea by Russia is de facto legalized by an international agreement with the participation of the Ukrainian authorities (since the Ukrainian authorities signed a statement with the aggressor after the date of the annexation of Crimea to them).

      6. The constitutional process in Ukraine will now go according to the “inclusive formula with the participation of the regions”, that is, it provides the legal basis for the separatists to eliminate the unitary character of the Ukrainian state.

      7. All separatists receive amnesty.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt April 18 2014 20: 57
        +1
        That's right, Fidget! Full respect!
      3. es.d
        es.d April 18 2014 21: 11
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        economist Andrei Illarionov

        AND! Clear... hi And you, by chance, are not interested in the reaction of Novodvorskaya? Me - so no.
  9. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 18 2014 15: 59
    +3
    The United States "asserted" in the government who will have to, did not have time to teach. Here is the result "on the face". It's disgusting to look at them, not something to perceive ...
  10. Lavrov
    Lavrov April 18 2014 16: 01
    +4
    Thanks to the author for the article.
  11. siberalt
    siberalt April 18 2014 16: 02
    +18
    Let us recall the Ukrainian nezalezhnost ... crying
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/742/gvtv252.jpg
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn April 18 2014 16: 40
      0
      Is it Alf or what? And what is he doing on the outskirts?
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt April 18 2014 21: 00
        +2
        Remembers however laughing
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 18 2014 19: 45
      +2
      Continued ....
      8. The liberation of buildings and institutions, as well as the disarmament of the so-called "Self-defense" in the East of Ukraine is insignificant, because, firstly, the first and so should have been released, and the second and so should have been disarmed. Secondly, due to the fact that all the separatists have been amnestied by the Geneva Declaration, they will now spend the coming time not in prison, but at the negotiating table, working out, so to speak, a new Constitution of Ukraine.

      9. “Inclusive with the participation of the regions”, the process of preparing the Constitution predetermines the federal nature of Ukraine, which does not enjoy any noticeable public support either in the whole country or in any region of Ukraine and its inevitable division.

      10. The consequences of the federalization process are transparent and completely predictable - separatist leaders are elected to regional authorities and then (with or without the help of Russian commandos) repeat the well-known Crimean scenario in their regions.

      11. The result of the federalization process is the creation of not even Federated Ukraine, as Temirgaliev reported a few days ago, but Novorossia (“from Kharkov to Odessa”), which Putin so much inspired today.

      12. The holding of presidential and parliamentary elections by a document is not guaranteed. Lavrov specifically emphasized this at a briefing, which means that Russian agents will continue to pluck them, and the Russian authorities will continue to say that the authorities in Kiev are illegitimate (as Putin still said today).

      Further, see the linkhttp: //ru.delfi.lt/opinion....ET9GpGJ
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt April 18 2014 21: 19
        +1
        It is truth too. But is it really necessary for Russia to draw in other newly created states. After all, after the 45th USSR, he insisted that Ukraine and Belarus be accepted as UN members with his voice. It turned out a kind of three-headed dragon. The votes remained after the collapse of the empire, Kazakhstan was added. But the heads do not belong to a single cohesive body. Each one strives. But they ask everyone to eat there laughing
  12. moremansf
    moremansf April 18 2014 16: 05
    0
    The circus left, the clowns stayed !!!
  13. Russ69
    Russ69 April 18 2014 16: 06
    +14
    In Odessa, the office of law enforcement officers was burned ...
    http://vk.com/video97841896_168283888?hd=2&t=2s
    1. RND
      RND April 18 2014 16: 18
      +7
      Quote: Russ69
      In Odessa, the office of law enforcement officers was burned ...
      http://vk.com/video97841896_168283888?hd=2&t=2s

      With them?! am
    2. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 18 2014 16: 19
      +3
      For more, but more often so good news. hi
  14. tnship2
    tnship2 April 18 2014 16: 15
    +6
    The whole world does not give a damn what and how in Ukraine. In America, very few people will find it even on the map. Only large world companies who see the state of Ukraine as an instrument of influence on the growing power of Russia. Obama also voices the policy of the US economic elite. to preserve the domination of the dollar at any cost. Dancing with a tambourine on the Maidan has already been ridiculed. They promised the unfortunate Ukrainians paradise and they fell for it, now they are under the guise of bringing down the whole scheme of Ukraine-Russia integration. a hole into which they are driven by "friends from the west." Ukraine did not understand that for the West to rob a neighbor with impunity is a national sport elevated to a cult. Sooner or later they would do it in Ukraine. If she had a firm position between the east and the west, Ukraine had would benefit from both. Russia would turn a blind eye to her brother's pranks for another hundred years. But no, they outsmarted themselves.
  15. Roman1970
    Roman1970 April 18 2014 16: 15
    +2
    Euromaidan made a mistake, having forgotten: the Russian person cannot be humiliated - from this he only gets stronger to return and, finally, to take his own.

    Crimeans well done, defended their land.
  16. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 18 2014 16: 16
    +3
    manage the country-this is not to do Euromaidan. Here one revolutionary adrenaline and populist rhetoric is not enough.,

    With anti-Russian screams and shouts, bread does not grow, steel does not melt and coal does not reach ..
    Sowing begins and I'm still from the junta like "fuel for agricultural tractors, etc." I have not heard fuel for tanks and armored personnel carriers and money for "mosk and her" please eat ..
  17. mig31
    mig31 April 18 2014 16: 21
    +1
    But brains have never been welcomed, and no, and America and the West will not help, they themselves lack a gray matter, they will have to be treated with folk remedies ...
  18. Andron-rnj
    Andron-rnj April 18 2014 16: 21
    0
    well, shah, here you can say, and maybe someone shouting you live worse than us, we’ve chopped up our special forces, if we want to spoil anyone like that, well, as a rosy soldier comes to Ukraine, let him find her glory to Ukraine if it’s not so
  19. trophy
    trophy April 18 2014 16: 24
    +3
    Looked at the link Cherkasy forum. Mess, podosrasy miserable, rushing around, complaining to each other. They are asking for a big war, they probably want to organize a mass suicide in protest.
  20. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 18 2014 16: 25
    +8
    I give out the desired for bye invalid:
    A passerby asks the amused youth
    -What holiday are you celebrating?
    One of the fun
    -Not. Pravosekov buried.
    - Is it possible to have fun at the funeral?
    - Isn't it fun. Yesterday they were gulevanized, at the funeral of the junta, they dug out three times on the Bis. laughing wassat
    1. siberalt
      siberalt April 18 2014 21: 23
      0
      The first channel is Gazprom. There are half of Russia. The rest is bourgeois with Kostya.
  21. tasey
    tasey April 18 2014 16: 27
    +5
    Guys, help me with this: the first channel in its reports from Donetsk persistently broadcasts - "THE SO-CALLED" Donetsk Republic! Who do they work for? On urchinova, Yarosha? Guys are killed there - and they are "so-called" ?? I wrote to Ernst on the channel website, but will it reach him?
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic April 18 2014 16: 38
      +4
      To Ernst? No, it won’t.
    2. tnship2
      tnship2 April 18 2014 16: 39
      +1
      And what do you want, brothers themselves? Everything is in your hands. Make a story. What other signals do you need? The whole president of Russia says that he will not let a lot of blood spill. Attach a green man to every Ukrainian?
    3. igordok
      igordok April 18 2014 17: 10
      +2
      Quote: tasey
      "THE SO-CALLED" Donetsk Republic!

      That's right - Little Russia.
  22. vsoltan
    vsoltan April 18 2014 16: 39
    0
    Yes, finally, I don’t know ..... what kind of state is this - Ukraine? half a year under Petliura .... another 23 - after the betrayal of Gorbachev and others like him? Carthage must be destroyed ....
  23. individual
    individual April 18 2014 16: 42
    +1
    Now they are making forecasts for the Geneva agreements.
    With all the agreements and claims that a bad world is better than war, you need to know that the first blood was shed through the fault of Kiev impostors.
    Whatever the West is doing now, the "peacekeepers" of the United States of the trusting relationship of the executed working people and their executioners share hatred.
    The people will not be able to step over the crime.
    No matter how events unfold, Taruta dug a trench on the border with Russia, and dug a bottomless abyss in which the unity of Ukraine is buried.
  24. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx April 18 2014 16: 54
    +4
    The Southeast needs to declare independence from Kiev, but not join Russia, but create a new state.
  25. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola April 18 2014 17: 11
    +3
    Quote: ispaniard
    Plato Besedin thanks for the article ...

    Entirely for - I join! good + + +
    But to rule the country is not to do Euromaidan

    As the classic said: - This is not for you to eat Lobio! And in matters of governing the country, Joseph Vissarionovich, was special, what to look for!
    Perhaps, as an additional illustration, to the image of the "leaders" of modern Ukraine, one could add a new initiative of the Gauleiter of Dnepropetrovsk, Pan Kolomoisky. The aforementioned "pan", in the best traditions of the "Third Reich", promised to pay $ 10 for the head of each caught "Russian saboteur", and $ 000 "for each state institution freed from the separatists." So, options are possible, you can either "release a state institution", or catch 200 "saboteurs", or hand over 000 grenade launchers (they go for $ 20 apiece) ...
    The only difference from the "Third Reich" is that the Germans paid in Reichsmarks, but it was only for the partisans (or Russian saboteurs) that they gave out two bars of soap and three packs of makhorka for indicating the place of residence of the "Zhidiv". So, Kolomoisky is noticeably "more generous" ...
  26. upasika1918
    upasika1918 April 18 2014 17: 15
    +11
    And we tried so hard ..
  27. melnik
    melnik April 18 2014 17: 19
    +2
    A thousand pluses article. Very, very competently
  28. delfinN
    delfinN April 18 2014 17: 21
    +8
    We must continue and not be distracted
  29. Ross
    Ross April 18 2014 17: 25
    +3
    Quote: hrych
    With Plato, everything is clear, but what Pavel will tell us (Globa at one time in the archives of the Central Committee nadibal ancient prophecies and periodically gives surprisingly accurate forecasts):

    Back in 2009, an astrologer predicted the collapse of Ukraine into three parts.

    “Ukraine will also not survive the crisis, it will be divided into three parts. The collapse will not happen now, but by the 2014 year in Ukraine there will be de facto two administrations independent from each other, while maintaining the formal integrity of the territory, in approximately the same format as today in Moldova. The East Ukrainian Federation will not submit to Kiev and will de facto become part of the Russian Empire, Crimea will become Ukrainian Chechnya ”...

    Hello my friend! And I came across an insider from one of the forums, not with an Astrologer, but with a representative of closed societies. So he wrote in March 2013 of the year (March 2013!) About the future of Russia, that a serious rise awaits us in 2015, a change in our elite, etc. Type a radical turn in development and a new ideology. And then one of the forum participants asked him a question, like why now (March 2013) nothing like this is visible around? I was struck by an insider’s response: - Ukraine hasn’t fallen yet! That is, they knew everything in advance. Moreover, according to him, the mess in Ukraine was supposed to happen during the 2014 year.
  30. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 18 2014 17: 37
    +1
    The junta showed its inability to dialogue, no, no one. Therefore, only federalization - this should be the main requirement of the southeast, and not a step back. Otherwise, a painful death. Now all as one should stand up to fight this evil, which has settled in Kiev.
    1. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 April 18 2014 19: 56
      +1
      How is it? I really like the scuffle dialogue in the VR, culture, education and beliefs do not allow them to have another dialogue. And if you dig a little deeper, then, unfortunately, there is no dialogue between the PR and the DPR. Just as there is no practical dialogue and joint actions of the CP and PR deputies in BP. Non-participation of the deputies of these factions in the voting or voting against the "huntists" on all laws adopted after 21.02.14/XNUMX/XNUMX would not have made it possible for such an escalation of violence in Ukraine, the formation of a heap of illegal military units and sending them to the SE front. One word - SAD, GIRLS ...
  31. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 18 2014 18: 14
    +2
    Russian people can not be humiliated
    This is not understood in the world ...
    1. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx April 18 2014 19: 00
      +1
      Well, this is their personal problem! Want to be sucked into the "African American hole" (a black hole is not politically correct, sorry) ??? A rainbow flag in your hands, a drum on your neck, and our steam locomotive for a meeting .......
  32. 51064
    51064 April 18 2014 19: 09
    +3
    The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Kiev putschists turned on the back, undermining the agreements reached in Geneva:
    "The agreements reached in Geneva on unblocking the roads and squares by the protesters do not concern the Maidan in Kiev." “If you carefully read these agreements, then we are talking about the liberation of streets, roads and squares that are illegally occupied by protesters,” Deshchitsa said.
    Diagnosis - Euromaidan of the brain?
  33. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx April 18 2014 19: 11
    +2
    The system was built so that the "triplets" came to power.


    That's just do not offend triplets !!! I myself am a threesome and among my classmates, fellow students and colleagues there were a sufficient number of them. And dementia in the degree of idiocy, none of them suffered, scum, scoundrels and villains among us, too, were not many! But among the excellent students and Komsomol-party activists there were enough of them. And the excellent students were fake, because they had problems with the mind. But the Komsomol secretaries did not have the right, and party members did not study well ... So they later sat in leading chairs. And here is the result .... You see for yourself ...
  34. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx April 18 2014 19: 17
    +2
    The system was built so that the "triplets" came to power.


    That's just do not offend triplets !!! I myself am a threesome and among my classmates, fellow students and colleagues there were a sufficient number of them. And dementia in the degree of idiocy, none of them suffered, scum, scoundrels and villains among us, too, were not many! But among the excellent students and Komsomol-party activists there were enough of them. And the excellent students were fake, because they had problems with the mind. But the Komsomol secretaries did not have the right, and party members did not study well ... So they later sat in leading chairs. And here is the result .... You see for yourself ...
  35. free
    free April 18 2014 19: 33
    +2
    The bespectacled Yatsenyuk scares the “Moscow monster” - just as convincingly and scary as it drove people to the Maidan, receiving in return a message on the same erotic route.

    send it again to the x-th, he did not get used!
  36. Oleg Volkov
    Oleg Volkov April 19 2014 02: 31
    +2
    DONBASS KEEP!
  37. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket April 20 2014 04: 04
    0
    Quote: striker
    After yesterday's meeting in Geneva at the Bandera forums, glee
    http://forumua.org/viewtopic.php?f=262&t=445935&start=14820



    Well, who has any feelings, brothers?


    Maid, close the door, while the authorities on the concepts grind ... And Ashton do not let