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Space "Maidan"

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Mercantile considerations destroy the manned cosmonautics of the Russian Federation


For many decades, the domestic space industry has been a national pride, but in recent years it has been shaken by scandals. Missiles and spacecraft fall, they start up, and then often close criminal cases against officials of all ranks, change the heads of enterprises and the main specialized agency - Roskosmos.

The domestic media only has time to publish revealing materials about the once glorious astronautics, and it seems that nothing new is happening in the industry except scandals. Of the last News, which attracted the attention of specialists and the public, the appointment of Yuri Lonchakov, the acting head of the Cosmonaut Training Center (CPC), stands out. In September last year, he took a training course as part of the crew of the International Space Station (ISS), but unexpectedly left the cosmonaut corps.

“For several months already, some conflict between some members of the cosmonaut corps and the head of the CPC is a conflict hidden from prying eyes”
According to the press service of Roskosmos, the relevant order appointing an adviser to the head of the space department, Lonchakov and. about. The head of the CPC is signed on 31 March 2014 of the year. Document number - 147. Roskosmos immediately clarified that according to labor legislation, before the official dismissal of the head of the CPC Sergey Krikalev, Hero of the USSR and Russia, the world record holder for the total duration of his stay in space, the new head of the center will not be appointed. U Krikalev recently ended a five-year contract and he is on a three-month vacation.

Lonchakov's return to the Training Center is interesting primarily in the background. For several months already, some conflict between some members of the cosmonaut corps and the head of the CPC has been a conflict hidden from prying eyes, and Krykalev went on a long vacation because of the general tense situation in the team. With the help of some media, the name of one of the most famous astronauts in Russia and the world has been tainted.

All means are good

The conflict began with a legal conflict that arose after the forced dismissal from military service of a significant part of the cosmonaut corps - military pilots. The decision to create a single detachment, without division into military and civilian ones, as before, led to many problems, some of which could not be resolved due to the lack of precedent. One of these stumbling blocks became the premiums for classiness, which the former military pilots have stopped receiving since January 2013.

Without waiting for explanations on how to solve the problem from Roskosmos, the Ministry of Labor, the Prosecutor's Office and other instances, the leadership of the CPC offered a civilized way out to the head of the detachment Sergey Volkov - to sue and create a legal precedent allowing to pay all the cosmonauts in full in the future. The CPC is a federal budget institution, that is, it receives an annual subsidy, and all cash flows are under strict state control, therefore, the center’s leadership needed a legal basis (in this case, a court decision) to pay all due allowances.

However, the process of resolving a legal problem unexpectedly escalated into a lawsuit for the recovery of a whole group of cosmonauts from the center of wage arrears. As it turned out later, this lawsuit was only the first step in the operation to change the leadership of the center, which ended with the appointment of Yuri Lonchakov. Schelkovsky city court 4 of October 2013 of the year took the side of the plaintiffs and ordered to give all the allowances to former military pilots for class. And on October 18, the head of the CPC issued an order for the full recalculation of the total allowance for 2013 a year and, having assembled a detachment, said that in the coming days everyone would receive the missing money. It seemed the conflict was over. But on October 21, a letter signed by 17 cosmonauts, and not only former military men, who directly accused Krikalev, his deputies and chief accountant of misappropriating state funds allocated for the detachment’s salary, came to the Federal Service for Financial and Budget Supervision (Rosfinnadzor). Copies of the letter were sent to Roskosmos, the Ministry of Finance, the government apparatus and even the administration of the President of Russia.

Serious inspections by the Ministry of Labor and Rosfinnadzor, conducted at the end of October on 2013 and in January-February on 2014, became a reaction to the astronauts' complaint. However, the facts stated in the letter were not confirmed, no violations were identified. The act of the State Labor Inspectorate for the Moscow Region reads: “At the time of the inspection, it was established that the cosmonauts set an extra charge for classwork by order of the 18 center’s headquarters in October 2013 and recalculated wages”. Rosfinnadzor reported: “Verification of the reasonableness of the establishment and payment of official salaries to the head of the Federal State Budgetary Institution Scientific Research Testing Center for Cosmonaut Training for them. Yu. A. Gagarin ”, his deputies, chief accountant of violations was not established. Awards and other incentive payments from subsidies in 2012 – 2013 to the head of the FSBI “Research and Testing Center for the Training of Cosmonauts. Yu. A. Gagarin ", the deputies of the chief and the chief accountant were not implemented."

Having received these documents, Krikalev, his deputies and the chief accountant could sue the offenders to court for defamation, however, they chose not to escalate the situation in the detachment, but to seek compromises. But they did not find understanding of their colleagues. One of the active fighters with the leadership of the CPC, Sergey Zaletin, in an interview with the media said that the initiative group delivered an ultimatum to the head of Roscosmos, Oleg Ostapenko: if Krikalev is not removed, the manned program will fail. This hard condition was later fulfilled.

Space "Maidan"


In late February, when rumors of the resignation of the head of the CPC appeared, Ostapenko told reporters: “No one is going to remove Krikalev from his post. In this situation, everything will depend on it. If he wants to continue working, it will work. We didn’t consider the replacement of the head of the CPC at all. ” A few days later, 3 in March, believing the head of Roskosmos, Krikalev applied for a contract extension, but in response he heard a proposal for an alleged increase - to head a new, not yet existing structure like the American Johnson Center, which would more closely link the government and industry, uniting the CPC, Mission Control Center (MCC) and a group of design engineers. The new structure should be able to set the task of industry, accept the results and use them in the interests of the state.

At the end of March, Ostapenko stated: “Sergey Krikalev will go on increasing. He will be engaged in the development strategy of a manned program. What he does in the CPC at this stage will be an integral part of his future work. Together with the Russian Academy of Sciences, we are now preparing a whole program in this area. Sergey Konstantinovich was offered to engage in this strategy. ” The head of Roskosmos immediately clarified that Krikalev would take up the project, simultaneously occupying the post of first deputy head scientific institute of the space industry - FSUE “TsNIImash”.

At first glance, this proposal is not only a compromise, but also beneficial to all actors. An experienced cosmonaut will do what he has long wanted and said in various interviews: "The center should deal with the tasks of strategic planning, the development of manned programs, and communication with the government." “We have a body that selects scientific programs, but no one is engaged in the implementation and optimization of human activity aboard a space station. The work on board the station is partly the responsibility of the CPC, part of the PMU, partly of the RSC Energia, partly scientists, but there is no integrating element. It should be. And the goal of such a center should be in the performance of the state task, ”the cosmonaut is convinced.

With all the attractiveness of the idea, the practice may be different. Alone, without the support of ministers and industry leaders, without the support of human and material resources, such a project is incredibly difficult to implement. And nobody promised Krikalev resources. Moreover, the current acting general director of TsNIImash Alexander Milkovsky, specialist in aviation engines, which had previously been run by the 4th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for a short time, even if they successfully passed the competition and were officially approved for the post of director general of the leading scientific institute of the space industry, are unlikely to be able to provide substantial support in the implementation of ambitious plans for the development of Russian manned astronautics.

Many industry experts are skeptical of the new appointment of Krikalev, believing that the well-known astronaut was simply sent into an honorary exile, thrusting a beautiful toy in the form of an unrealizable idea. And one of the veterans of the space industry commented: “If such people as Krikalev are not needed by our space program, then they need to go to the USA to Elon Mask and create the cosmonautics of the future there, because space is the property of all humanity!”

Money question

As noted above, according to the law, no one has the right to officially dismiss Krikalev and appoint another head of the CPC before his return from vacation. But he did not have time to leave on the farm of one of his full-time deputies, as the head of Roscosmos, Oleg Ostapenko, appointed his adviser Yuri Lonchakov as deputy head and at the same time acting head of the CPC.

This appointment caused undisguised joy in the camp of opponents of Krikalev, although Lonchakov did not sign the “letter of 17-ti” and did not speak openly at all. The fact is that a significant part of the astronauts put their signatures under the letter to the Federal Financial Monitoring Service, actually taking a wait-and-see position. And some openly sided with the head of the CPC, refused to sign and were obstructed by their colleagues.

Non-payment of allowances is the formal cause of the conflict, but everything is much more serious. As one of the specialists in the space industry, who is well acquainted with the situation in the detachment, said that those who categorically disagree with the rigid discipline he had introduced, which assumed a responsible attitude to exercises and trainings, spoke out against Krikalev. The requirements extended to all astronauts, especially those who had already been approved in the international crews of the ISS and were preparing for the flight. In addition, the head of the CPC openly condemned colleagues who used their stay in the detachment as a stepping stone for further political or business career.

For example, Maxim Suraev was approved for the ISS crew as the commander of the Soyuz TMA-09М, which was scheduled to launch in the 2013 year. But still at the end of 2011, he announced his intention to run for election to the State Duma. He had to be urgently replaced in the crew by Fedor Yurchikhin. Suraev did not go to the deputies, he returned to the detachment, but he hasn’t yet completed the second flight.


In July, 2012 was removed from preparations for the flight by Dmitry Kondratyev, who was supposed to go in the autumn of 2014, on the ISS, together with the only woman in the Russian squad, Elena Serova and American Barry Wilmore. Alexander Samokutyaev became the changeman. According to media reports, Kondratyev was waiting for his first flight 13 years, flew into space once, received the star of the Hero of Russia and went into the business structure for good money. The astronauts' salary at that time really left much to be desired. By the way, Kondratyev also signed the “letter of 17-ty,” although by that time he had left the squad.

The current third has become detached. about. Head of the CPC Yuri Lonchakov. In mid-September last year, he unexpectedly for many left the detachment, although he was already preparing to fly to the ISS in 2015 as the commander of the crew of the Soyuz TMA-16M spacecraft. Again I had to urgently look for a replacement, and the choice fell on the most experienced Gennady Padalka.

It was officially announced that by order of the head of the CPC, the pilot-cosmonaut of the Russian Federation, Colonel Yuri Lonchakov, was relieved of the post of instructor-cosmonaut-tester of the 2 class and dismissed from the squadron at his own request due to his transfer to a new job. But there were persistent rumors in the industry that he left because of a conflict with Krikalev and that it was Lonchakov who was the inspiration for the actions against the head of the CPC.

Less than a month after the dismissal of Yuri Lonchakov, Oleg Ostapenko became the head of Roskosmos, who immediately invited him to his position as an adviser on manned cosmonautics. As a result, the struggle against the head of the CPC received a new impetus. The result of the change of power, according to experts, could have very tangible consequences for Russian manned space flight.

It would seem that they changed one head of the CPC for another, a working time. Moreover, Krikalev had previously received complaints that he was a poor organizer, did not know how to work with people, and so on. At the same time, the fact that he had done a lot of work on the formation of a civilian CPC on the basis of a center that had previously belonged to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation was overlooked.

However, the unsubstantiated accusations of the head of the center of theft, intrigue, the ultimatum brought against the head of Roskosmos, and other actions became a definite signal for all the workers of the CPC who had been watching the space Maidan for several months. This event has a particularly negative impact on young people, who have not yet flown astronauts and cosmonaut candidates. After all, it turns out that Krikalev maintained strict discipline, motivated members of the detachment to increase their professional level for the sake of successful flights into space, and he was removed thanks to the active work of a group of people, many of whom didn’t show anything special in the profession.

In addition, the fighters with Krikalev serve young people with one more negative example - how to get a high salary in a detachment and all the required benefits without risking their health. The monetary allowance since January 2013 has become relatively decent. According to some information, the salary of candidates for cosmonauts, not counting free food, clothing, medical care, sanitation and resort treatment, etc., now amounts to more than 100 thousand rubles per month. And flying cosmonauts get more than 300 thousands. With the income of modern State Duma deputies and officials can not be compared, but better than it was. 10 years ago, astronauts, waiting for flights for years, received on Earth an amount equivalent to 600 dollars per month, and they could only earn money on an orbital trip. For half a year, 120 – 130 thousand dollars were running. But they sought to fly, prepared for it, waited their chance for years not for money, although nobody canceled financial incentives, but for the chosen profession they had dreamed of all their lives, for the almost forgotten concepts today - vocation and service.

Now, the salary on Earth allows us not to worry too much about their daily bread and the material incentive of a flight into space has practically disappeared. It is not excluded, experts say, that in the coming years there will be cases of failure on flights under various pretexts, because there are already precedents. Indeed, flying into space, risking one's health in conditions of increased radiation, suffering from the leaching of calcium from the body, losing sight and hearing becomes economically unprofitable. You can get up for training in the crew, then jump off under specious pretexts: temporary deterioration of health, family circumstances. Or, following Sergei Zaletin's example, go into politics for a few years and then return to the squad.

Here only the state over these years can lose not only a lot of money invested in the preparation and maintenance of astronauts, but also the manned cosmonautics created by real romantic enthusiasts Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, Sergey Korolev, Valentin Glushko and other genius engineers who have not paved the way to space only Russia, but also to all mankind.

PS While the issue was being made up, the press service of Roskosmos reported on 9 on April: “The assistant to the head of Roskosmos, cosmonaut Yuri Lonchakov, was appointed head of the Yuri Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center (CPC). The head of the Federal Space Agency, Oleg Ostapenko, signed the corresponding order on April 7. ” Thus, at present, the CPC has two chiefs, since, according to the law, no one can dismiss a resident of Krikalev on leave.
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  1. mig31
    mig31 April 18 2014 15: 44
    +8
    Protect acquired by overwork by millions of our citizens, space is the property of the people ...
  2. V1451145
    V1451145 April 18 2014 15: 54
    +4
    Something needs to be done with space ...
  3. Goodmen
    Goodmen April 18 2014 15: 56
    +7
    While our astronautics will be "ruled" by "defective managers", while profit in monetary terms will be at the forefront, our astronautics will be slowly losing ground.
    In addition to appointing people from science to leading positions in the industry, it is necessary at the state level to develop a plan for the development of cosmonautics with the setting of specific tasks. To attract specialized research institutes for the implementation of programs, etc. to provide financial support. Remove bureaucratic obstacles.

    I recently learned that in 1985 the world was on the verge of a nuclear war because of the situation with our Salyut-7 station. When captured by the Americans, according to experts, the road to space would be practically closed to us.
    Our cosmonauts Vladimir Dzhanibekov and Viktor Savinykh not only coped with the task of resuscitating the station, but essentially saved the world from a nuclear disaster.

    I think that with a competent state policy on the development of the space industry, we will continue to occupy a leading position for a long time!
    1. mnbv199
      mnbv199 April 18 2014 19: 38
      +1
      I ghost passage ...

      Maria Katasonova: On July XNUMX, the Proton-M rocket with three Glonas-M vehicles made an unsuccessful launch. This was discussed for a long time in all blogs, in all mass media, as soon as they scolded Roskosmos that everything is falling down with us, that nothing is working out.
      By the way, with that accident on July 2, after all, it was already proved that the accelerating blocks were really incorrectly installed, i.e. it was a diversion, but no one was punished.

      Evgeny Fedorov: What can be the punishment?

      Maria Katasonova: There are people who are responsible for this part.

      Evgeny Fedorov: The people who are responsible for this unit went abroad the day after launch.

      Maria Katasonova: It was simply not mentioned anywhere else.

      Evgeny Fedorov: It was, I saw. Information passed - right after the launch, the people who installed the sensors moved out the next day.

      Maria Katasonova: This was not covered in the media.

      Evgeny Fedorov: Firstly, it is forbidden to talk about it. Our media are propaganda, occupation. Of course, they will not cover it, but since today in the information environment it is impossible to prevent information from leaking, it has leaked. It just was not supported. Now, when they say all kinds of nonsense - please, they’ll twist it from morning till night, and when they say serious things - no one will say anything about it. Only on the Internet, bloggers exchanged with each other and calmed down, because they give other informational reasons, intercept information.
      And it was. Since I am engaged in professional state tracking, construction - I caught this information, it was, it can be found. They left immediately, instantly: they did a diversion, changed sensors, somehow they drove a sledgehammer so that they looked as they should, and then left (on the same day). They knew what they had done, and left. They got money for this, a residence permit somewhere in Europe or America and live there calmly.

      I advise

      http://poznavatelnoe.tv/fedorov
  4. tnship2
    tnship2 April 18 2014 15: 57
    +6
    It is necessary to protect the astronauts from economic showdowns. To do things first. Why should they run around the courts? What is this nonsense?
  5. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich April 18 2014 16: 01
    +7
    A repressive apparatus is necessary, and not only in the aerospace sphere.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik April 18 2014 16: 02
    +2
    When there is no agreement in the comrades, their case will not go smoothly ..
  7. military
    military April 18 2014 16: 13
    +3
    Somehow it didn't even surprise ... the usual "friendly serpentarium" ... we wait until at the next corporate party the next "space general" is cracked with a candelabrum on the coupol ...
  8. Klim2011
    Klim2011 April 18 2014 16: 18
    +3
    In cosmonautics, it seems to many people that the mind eclipsed the golden calf.
    Well, raise these "poor fellows" salaries two or three times, the country will not become poorer tea, let the falcons fly.
    If only it weren’t over in Olympic hockey, and our hockey players have cool contracts and experience in the best teams in the world is enormous, only zero point ten is worthless.
    Apparently in Man, in addition to a well-fed belly, something else should be.
  9. svp67
    svp67 April 18 2014 16: 38
    0
    Well, what a mess!
  10. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer April 18 2014 16: 40
    +8
    The whole problem is in violation of the continuity of generations of specialists. Engineers of my generation went wherever they could to feed their families. I quit in 95 as the head of the department after two of the 52 employees left after a six-month non-payment of wages. And all have families and children. It was a whole tragedy for top-class specialists. Assembly shops were converted to discotheques, machine equipment was sold for scrap, everything that was possible was leased for trade.
    Now in the space industry everything rests on people who are already well over 70, this is the real property of the country. Young specialists come, but the aces of the age of 40-50, who always moved everything and who raised young people according to the principle - "do as I do", are simply sorely lacking.
    And no matter how huge money is now flowing into this industry, it takes time. Professional staff must grow.
    1. tanit
      tanit April 18 2014 17: 34
      +5
      I survived the 90s and then my position was by no means "head of department". I have not quit my job so far. And, as regards me, - at the moment, just as you said "space industry", or rather, a part of the ground infrastructure of a separate former 5th GIK MO. Ace age 40 dash 50 years - I see them often (sometimes in the mirror). The youth brought up by us (by them - it is necessary to emphasize) - the same is, and not a little. About what those "who are over 70" you say, I can imagine. But - to teach now - these (honor and praise to them) respectable people can only one (well, this is also not a little, I admit) - perseverance. But work skills, alas, are not. As a rule, the equipment used by these outstanding (I am serious) people is no longer at Baikonur.
      The fact that veterans are attracted is true and correct, although there is almost no technical benefit. There is a benefit another live example before the eyes. And ... well, an extra penny for veterans (and that's right.)
      1. Dragon-y
        Dragon-y April 19 2014 08: 10
        0
        In the 90s, it was very difficult for the 5th State Electoral Commission of the Moscow Region, many specialists left ... But I didn’t quit the army myself - I was fired by the OSH in 2007 ...
        ("In which regiment did you serve? ..", colleague? :))
  11. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 18 2014 17: 09
    0
    Say what you like, but COSMO-OPRICHNIKI is really needed, and so that they obey only the Supreme.
    Impunity breeds theft and sloppiness.
  12. Oml
    Oml April 18 2014 17: 12
    0
    The reason for all the bad is the constant desire for enrichment. And to do this as quickly as possible, without thinking about the future, without thinking about those who surround it. And in many ways, our systems contribute to this.
  13. tanit
    tanit April 18 2014 17: 15
    +1
    Oh terrible horror !!!! wassat Russian cosmonaut more who didn’t fly gets a little less than the American sergeant who didn’t fight ?! Even as much as 100 thousand rubles !!! From it - now there will be no pensions - the astronauts gobbled up everything ... Now we are waiting, from the devastating articles about how much the FSO employees who have not yet died receive (and they, well, they’re parasites, because they don’t fly into space and are not going to, they don’t die beautifully under cameras, saving the President every minute, but they have high tariff categories, ah-ah-ah wassat ), FSB officers (and what? -What do they die ?, prevent terrorist attacks? -Not a heinous PR, well, everyone who’s not foot cloths at all (or not Putinoids in particular) - they all know very well how they really are, wassat ) and other people who receive "no way" wearing shoulder straps.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 18 2014 17: 30
      0
      Quote: tanit
      Oh terrible horror !!!! The Russian Cosmonaut who has not yet flown receives as much as less than the American sergeant who has not fought?! Already a whole 100 thousand rubles !!! From it - now there will be no pensions - the astronauts ate everything ..

      Good day, Vadim! I understand that you, as a person in the subject, are skeptical of the article and the author?
      1. tanit
        tanit April 18 2014 17: 38
        -1
        Good day, Stanislav. I do not think that the author is related to the cosmonaut corps in particular, and Roscosmos (or East Kazakhstan region) in general.
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 April 18 2014 17: 45
          0
          Quote: tanit
          Good day, Stanislav.

          I unsubscribed to you there ...

          And what is he actually talking about?
  14. crasever
    crasever April 18 2014 17: 45
    0
    Necessarily not done here (file a lawsuit), without the "chicks of the Taburetkin nest" - they played it off, not otherwise ... There will be, hopefully, real men serving the Fatherland and advanced science, arguments for understanding - everyone is doing one Big Thing - Space ...
    1. tanit
      tanit April 18 2014 22: 13
      0
      Managed. Do not flatter Feldmebel.
  15. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 18 2014 17: 52
    0
    Under Stalin, one accident would be enough to restore order. And here the fifth column crept in, its handwriting is clearly visible when tragedies happen, and there are no guilty ones.
  16. bronik
    bronik April 18 2014 17: 54
    0
    Sawed up space as we could. The grouping of our satellites in the Pacific Ocean, well, rather big, but if you count in currency ... Who was responsible for this?
  17. Signaller
    Signaller April 18 2014 17: 56
    -1
    I read it again. the question is one, like a cork. BUTTERFLY. All Nedodal or not distributed. space is only for enthusiasts. You tell me, you’ll receive 200 tons of rubles per month for a flight to the ISS. I would send it immediately and for a long time. Three lemon per month - can solve this problem. I’ll eat, who will give it ??? About this and the article. I’m gnawing at them. Yes, everything is clear. When grandmas are divided, you can’t click your teeth.
  18. Turkir
    Turkir April 18 2014 18: 13
    +1
    If you promise to be shot for the outstanding work, the candidates for the main post will immediately decrease - up to one or two.
    Those who refuse to fast are careerists, scammers.
    Then you can shoot, so that sensible people do not interfere.
  19. Bayonet
    Bayonet April 18 2014 18: 39
    +1
    "Not everything is so smooth in the Danish kingdom ..."
  20. sv68
    sv68 April 18 2014 18: 58
    0
    if you drop the mat, I’ll say that we’ve reached the handle. We live exactly like in a fairy tale, the further, the worse
  21. annodomene
    annodomene April 18 2014 21: 06
    +2
    There is hope that everything will settle down. Let's see how this year Elena Serova will fly into space. In 2009, everyone at the CPC firmly said that it would fly, and that there would be no space tourists ... Let's see, however ...
    1. tanit
      tanit April 18 2014 22: 17
      0
      Take a look, however. I do not promise ... But ... If it flies, I will drop it in PM. (Just remind)
  22. K-36
    K-36 April 18 2014 23: 13
    0
    Quote: annodomene
    There is hope that everything will settle down. Let's see how this year Elena Serova will fly into space. In 2009, everyone at the CPC firmly said that it would fly, and that there would be no space tourists ... Let's see, however ...

    I correctly understood you that Lena Serova will fly, and not Mark Serov?
    Sincerely. hi
  23. krot
    krot April 19 2014 05: 45
    0
    Gentlemen comrades! Is it really obvious to me alone that SABOTAGE is going on in the development of deep space! And moreover, at different levels! From assembly engineers who "Accidentally" install sensors in the wrong way, to managers of different levels who underestimate the importance and importance of programs such as Phobos Ground. This is the face of our state! Who looks at the "ordinary" flights of our trucks to launch alien satellites, and flights to the ISS? Few people will be surprised by this now .. But the reports of amers, and even the Chinese, about the conquest of other planets, and deep space, new discoveries are covered by the whole world as something amazing and super-technological. Although it is so! And this is not only the prestige of the country! Who would be better to buy equipment, military or any other ??? Probably not for those whose rockets fall every year and satellites do not "want" to be withdrawn .. Is our technology really worse than in the years when they conquered the moon? Or arms began to grow out of the well ..? And what country is it profitable, in my opinion it is obvious! We have a global confrontation not with Europe or China. The Americans are sponsoring the sabotage .. That's just where our GBs are looking .. Or have they forgotten how to work?
  24. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y April 19 2014 08: 14
    0
    So ours themselves admitted that "Chinese microcircuits" were installed on the fallen station ... They bought it on the market, or what?
    They destroyed their microelectronics, now they justify themselves ...
  25. krot
    krot April 19 2014 20: 00
    0
    half of America flies on Chinese chips, by the way ..) and do not fall ..)