Andrei Vajra: "The end in the Southeast is near"

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Andrei Vajra: "The end in the Southeast is near"


The federalization of Ukraine contradicts the ideology of Ukrainian nationalism that won in Kiev, therefore it is impossible

Andrei Vajra is one of the few Internet characters that is truly "iconic."

Let's start with the fact that 99,9% of readers of his most popular articles of the author himself have never seen. Rumor has it that this is a whole team writing under an assumed name (and it’s flattering to be credited to your humble servant).

However, the Vajra is a real person. But the "cult" gives him first of all not mysteriousness, but the coming true predictions of the development of the situation in Ukraine and no less accurate sociopsychological diagnoses for Ukrainian society as such.

On the current situation, Andrei Vajra told the Navigator.

Andrei Vajra: I am an ordinary person, I use public transport, I walk the streets and see that despondency and bitterness reign everywhere. Kiev is filled with gray and gloomy faces. It seems that people were crushed by some unbearable burden. The people grumble, with astonishing unanimity, scornfully speaking of the new "hetman". For almost everyone, the distinction between power and opposition, between right and left, between ideological nuances has been erased. For ordinary people, Ukrainian politicians have become monolithic "they." "WE AND THEY."

"Navigator": But in the Internet space, ideological battles between maydanschiki and antimaydanschiki, between supporting (albeit with reservations) the new government and their opponents are very hot. How influential is this segment of society? What is the reason for such a difference between “virtuals” and “reals”?

Andrei Vajra: The reason is motivation. “Virtuals” need ideology more, and “reals” need sausage. But in Ukraine, sausage has always won the ideology. "Reis" the vast majority, and they will go for those who give them this sausage. He will not promise, but will give real, here and now. Putin is doing it, so he is the greatest danger for our hetmanship, which can only take.

That is why the Ukrainian media are trying so hard to make fun of it. That is why Russia is served as a kind of Mordor, where Ukrainians are eaten alive.

Navigator: Ukraine is nearing presidential elections. What can be said about the campaign?

Andrei Vajra: Most people do not see who to vote for in the elections. They are going over politicians as they are exploring expired goods in a store, trying to find at least a “second freshness” among the tukhlyatiny. That is, with the fact that you still have to eat rotten, resigned.

On this psychological background, state patriotism begins to look like clinical idiocy. The pathos of patriotic frenzy totally covered the information space. Even beer advertising calls to fight for Ukraine.

Navigator: Media psychologists say that even in wealthy countries (as was the case, say, in the United States, on the eve of military incursions), such pumping is effective for no more than a couple of months. How long can she work with us?

Andrei Vajra: Even less. People have very strong psychological fatigue. Therefore, every day it is necessary to invent another “encroachment” of Russia, more and more implausible.

“Navigator”: You called the current government the “hetman”. This is the only historical an analogy that came to your mind?

Andrei Vajra: This is not an analogy, this is fate. Fate has walked for centuries in a vicious circle of “ruins,” “hetmanschins,” “cossacks,” and similar civil wars. History made a spiral spiral and returned to the starting point of movement, but, as usual, already in the form of a farce. Getman, as you know, never controlled the entire territory of Little Russia. Their power depended on external forces, and ordinary people hated them fiercely. Isn’t it the same now? These are not historical analogies: they are real hetmanism. Just like Ruin is absolutely real. And the people just asks for the Russian Tsar, as requested during the ruins.

"Navigator": Well, not all the people ... And what will be the next, further spiral of the conditional Left Bank (today's Southeast) and the Ruins (Center and West)?

Andrei Vajra: Unlike the Right Bank hetmans, the current Kiev authorities are afraid to realize that half of the state does not recognize their power. The so-called leaders of the Maidan do not even want to see the obvious fact that not only their Maidan, but also all of their good health, is disgusting to whole regions of Ukraine.

The new regime consoles itself with the illusion that if it, unlike Yanukovych, holds real "anti-terrorism measures," it will be able to force South-East to loyalty. But even if it succeeds with a little blood (which will not allow Russia to intervene), the people from the Left Bank will run to Russia, as during the Ruin fled from the Right Bank. And if, up until very recently, people fled from Ukraine individually (in terms of emigration, we are in first place in the world), now whole regions will dream of this.

"Navigator": The deterioration of the socio-economic situation may exacerbate the situation.

Andrei Vajra: And here already any lies of the “inappropriate” journalists about the “horrors of Raska” will not help. The people will be brought to such a state that it will not even be the best to crave, but at least hopes for the best!

... We, the people of Ukraine, are the biggest hypocrites. We do not want to recognize reality. Hence these propaganda hysteria in the media about the "united country". The Crimea has fallen off, Sloboda, Donbass and Novorossia are boiling, and joyful boys and girls in a zomboyaschik are pathetically convincing that Ukraine is one more than ever.

It’s like an old joke about Vovochka, to which the Komsomol propaganda brigade came to kindergarten and began to talk about how wonderful life is in the Soviet Union. Little Johnny listened, listened, and then he took it and bitterly burst into tears: “I want to go to the USSR!”.

Tricolor for residents of the South-East is not only a symbol of hope for a better life, but also a symbol of salvation in the case of "anti-terrorist operations." Although in the event of an imminent economic catastrophe, there is not enough “anti-terrorism” for all dissatisfied. After all, people will have nothing to lose ...

"Navigator": And if right now go to federalization?

Andrei Vajra: It seems to me that the possibility of federalization, Ukraine has already slipped. This is also because the “federalists” - all these Kolesnikovs, Dobkins, Efremovs - with whom it was possible to carry on a dialogue and reach an agreement, were strangled in the bud. As real politicians, of course. And instead of them came “separatists”, who do not need dialogue. For their ideas, they are ready to fight, in contrast to the above, and with weapons in hand.

Yes, federalization is unrealistic in the post-Maid period, because it contradicts the ideology of Ukrainian nationalism that has won in Kiev, which postulates, in defiance of reality, a united and conciliar Ukraine. It turns out that federalization is traded for civil war. Clever, you will not say anything.

Navigator: Do you speak of civil war as a reality?

Andrei Vajra: Southeast is in the initial phase of the uprising. As soon as the first blood is shed, there will be a massive outburst of hatred and violence. The people to this more than matured. We now see that he will have no problems with weapons. Even if the troops transferred to the Donbass start firing at civilians, these regular units are not much different from the militia in terms of armament (we can see how the unrepaired equipment has been continuously broken for decades) and in combat training.

If we assume that in the first days of the armed confrontation on the side of the rebels, the units of the Russian special forces that have passed through Chechnya will prove to be, the result of this confrontation is not difficult to guess. And hardly any of the adequate people doubts that if blood is shed in the South-East, the Russian army will not enter the conflict zone for peace enforcement.

According to my sources, our Ministry of Defense does not doubt it either. They believe that in the event of a direct military confrontation with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Ukrainian army will cease to exist within five days.

So the outcome is close.
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  1. +47
    April 17 2014 08: 40
    A smart man looks at the root. Not only are these Papuans in Kiev, I only see what I want to see!
    1. +29
      April 17 2014 08: 53
      I agree. The golden words "In Ukraine, sausage has always won over ideology" are applicable not only to Ukraine. Everyday life has little in common with philosophy.
      1. +20
        April 17 2014 09: 03
        The main thing is that Kiev rats squeezed into a corner do not cause even greater troubles and bloodshed.
        1. WKS
          +3
          April 17 2014 11: 16
          The angle is not yet visible. Yes and no rats. There is a gang of thieves thrown to the top by a muddy wave. The wave will descend and the gang will dissipate.
        2. Sagittarius
          +2
          April 17 2014 11: 54
          Do not insult rats! Clever animal.
        3. The comment was deleted.
      2. +4
        April 17 2014 10: 40
        Quote: Arhj
        I agree. The golden words "In Ukraine, sausage has always won over ideology" are applicable not only to Ukraine.

        In fact, this is a paraphrase of the postulate of K. Marx - "Being determines consciousness"
      3. Validator
        0
        April 17 2014 12: 00
        So the Crimea itself is the most graphic demonstration of "sausage". Peace of mind, hard currency, salaries of public sector employees and pensioners are growing by 25 percent a month, investment plans are enormous. In general, you can just turn off the gas, stop imports from Ukraine and help the rebels little by little. Ukraine will hold out for a maximum of 3-4 months, unless, of course, everything is resolved by military means earlier.
    2. +8
      April 17 2014 09: 18
      I am sure Vladimir Vladimirovich has his own "red line" for the maydanutyh - He does not sound it, but it is 100% there.
      The rabbit and the company do not understand - if Our tanks enter, then the border with Poland will not stop earlier. Even if there is a strong desire to return Novorossia Home, then one does not interfere with the other.
      1) We clean the whole Ukraine from shit.
      2) We hold a referendum.
      3) Who wants to democratically merges with Russia.
      Something like this. hi
      1. GDP
        +2
        April 17 2014 12: 07
        It seems to me that our tanks will not enter Ukraine, except if there are rivers of blood.
        Recently, too often they began to talk about problems in the economy and that we are not interfering and are not going to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine, and at the highest level ...

        I also do not agree that most Ukrainians will exchange Bendery’s ideas for sausage - they’ve washed their brains for too long, it’s too difficult to give in, even if you’re wrong ...
    3. +19
      April 17 2014 09: 59
      I’m not reading his first article, the real talent of a publicist.
      In the topic of the video:
      1. -1
        April 17 2014 11: 53


        I believe that this video is much better and more suitable for us
        1. acute
          +3
          April 17 2014 12: 35
          I wonder how you got to this forum. What for?. You are great Ukrainians. You need no censor. There are your friends. they hate everything Russian, offer to cut it all, beat it, etc. How are you going to live together with such hatred in the southeast
          1. serzh 58
            -1
            April 17 2014 13: 12
            Only nobody is going to live with them. They are needed southeast.
          2. GDP
            0
            April 17 2014 13: 58
            At first, I also minus the second clip in another post - but this time I still got the meaning, read it - the clip says - "carefully changed the meaning" ...
            Such a clip that you need to watch it like a pair twice :)
        2. +2
          April 17 2014 13: 22
          maybe it suits you, but did you interview all those living in Ukraine, or just a yatsenyuk with a truck? Will you stay, great, in the same room as Napoleon,
      2. GDP
        0
        April 17 2014 12: 12
        Finally, a worthy response to brainwashed zombies.
        He who wants to understand will understand ...
        He who does not want to understand will not understand.
      3. +1
        April 17 2014 13: 17
        thank you, good movie. according to my impressions, talent.
      4. 0
        April 17 2014 15: 49
        This is powerful ... Maybe it will reach the Ukrainians ... otherwise all the invaders ...
        Yes, we don’t need your scrap metal, we feel sorry for you, we are ready to take it in our hands and breastfeed ...
        And you on a tit palm
    4. 0
      April 17 2014 15: 22
      The Russian world will never be on its knees. The denouement is close. Hold on guys, Russia will not leave you, a little patience, there is not an easy decision (Putin is not easy). Glory to RUSSIA!
    5. StolzSS
      0
      April 17 2014 19: 44
      The Papuans in Papuanova Guinea are offended by such a comparison and send damnations to your head for your highly offensive politically incorrect ... laughing lol
    6. 0
      April 18 2014 13: 20
      Quote: Yuri Sev Caucasus
      A smart man looks at the root. Not only are these Papuans in Kiev, I only see what I want to see!

      Our country is great and plentiful. Yes, there is no order in it. The story is back. Little Russia and New Russia before difficult trials. Courage and patience in the fight against the junta. Article +
  2. +15
    April 17 2014 08: 40
    in the event of a direct military clash with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Ukrainian army will cease to exist within five days.

    That's what banderlogs are afraid of
    1. +20
      April 17 2014 08: 46
      But this is exactly what Kagal Yatsenyuk-Turchinov-Avakov achieves.
      For it will confirm their hysteria about the Russian invasion.
      1. +6
        April 17 2014 08: 51
        and I will add, in order to officially introduce the "peacekeeping" UN contingent to protect Kiev from the Russian Federation, as I think our Armed Forces will not stop only by liberating the Left-Bank Ukraine from the maydanuts.
        1. +4
          April 17 2014 12: 13
          Excuse me, what kind of "UN peacekeeping contingent"? If you believe the "five-day" indicated here, will the NATO members have time to get together in 5 days? They will only have time to fart. And then where will they be "introduced"? After all, everything will be busy! And again, and again I repeat: we will be polite in relation to the Ukrainian military (they have not yet earned hatred). As the CRIMEAN events have shown, the city's politeness TAKES!
      2. PPL
        +4
        April 17 2014 09: 01
        Quote: mirag2
        But this is exactly what Kagal Yatsenyuk-Turchinov-Avakov achieves.
        For it will confirm their hysteria about the Russian invasion.

        Well, they will confirm what? Why chop the branch on which you sit?
        The Yatsenyuk-Turchinov-Avakov gang, led by Atamansha Timoshenko, hopes only for the support of the West, that he will bring in troops and drive out Putin, hated by him, and along the way will create happiness in a single country and for only individual individuals ... recourse
        1. -14
          April 17 2014 09: 45
          Then it’s more likely that the West will chase the hated Putin!
          1. 0
            April 17 2014 11: 42
            mirag2-how does the State Department pay you with cookies or in cash?
            1. +3
              April 17 2014 11: 49
              Yes, you didn’t understand, I’m saying that the hysteria about the Russian invasion is FAVORABLE to the Yatsenyuk-Turchinov-Avakov kagal, -then there will be more chances for Yatsenyuk-Turchinov-Avakov that the West will drive the hated Putin from Ukraine.
              Why insult me ​​with the th State Department, just do not snatch comments from the big picture request stop
              Inserted in "bold" is a response to the "PPZ" comment.
              1. acute
                0
                April 17 2014 12: 39
                And who benefits from the fact that we are now watching how the southeast is bent
                1. serzh 58
                  +4
                  April 17 2014 13: 18
                  Yesterday they bent. A couple of days of such bending down and the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not be. Yesterday, 50 conscripts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were missing in the Slavyansk region, and the DPR army received 2 T - 64, 2 IFVs and 6 armored personnel carriers.
                  1. 0
                    April 18 2014 13: 24
                    Quote: serzh 58
                    Yesterday they bent. A couple of days of such bending down and the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not be. Yesterday, 50 conscripts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were missing in the Slavyansk region, and the DPR army received 2 T - 64, 2 IFVs and 6 armored personnel carriers.

                    Over banderlog shed blood shamefully. The lads did the right thing, the sowing is coming, something needs to be eaten in winter.
          2. +3
            April 17 2014 12: 01
            Why, dear mirag2, did Vladimir Vladimirovich not please? Quite adequate, calm, unlike the "black monkey"! Or do you not like him with his calmness and sober assessment of the position? For you, it would be much better, as I understand it, an analogue of the head of the United States (who does not know what else to do, what to say!), Or, the so-called. "new leaders" of Ukraine (there is nothing to say about these idiots, they are not worth it!) What ?! And to "drive" the president means "creation" of the Maidan in Russia! Have you put on diapers, dear ?! After all, we will not "chew snot", we will turn you off immediately! And cruelly! Russia has enough shocks! Finally, a man has appeared in Russia who wants to make our country a strong power! This infuriates the West terribly! Nothing, go crazy! But you cannot defeat Russia, your "guts" are thin! And if you decide, the people will crush you, crush you!
            1. 0
              April 17 2014 13: 03
              Yes, you didn’t understand, I’m saying that the hysteria about the Russian invasion is FAVORABLE to the Yatsenyuk-Turchinov-Avakov kagal, and then there will be more chances for Yatsenyuk-Turchinov-Avakov that the West will drive away the hated Putin from Ukraine.
              Why insult me ​​with the um State Department - just don’t snatch comments from the big picture request stop
              Inserted in "bold" is a response to the "PPZ" comment.
              1. +2
                April 17 2014 13: 29
                Sorry, I also slammed the minus, but the posts need to be written more clearly.
          3. 0
            April 17 2014 13: 26
            in vain we hope that the West will not shed a drop of blood of its own for the unhealthy ones. but you’ll take a sip of Dr. Rma in full. although you don’t even understand this with your mental potential.
        2. +4
          April 17 2014 09: 47
          Well, they will confirm what?

          Imagine their sour face if the Feisty - smiling cunningly - doesn’t bring in troops and gives them an opportunity to hold elections, and then they will have to rake it all up with a estranged east, without IMF loans, ruined by the economy and Makhnovism?

          They’re building it on a TV set of psychos, but in real life, I think they’ll guess which hole they are in, and they’d better have a terrible end, an apartment in New York and lectures in Carnegie Hall on curbing the bloody imperials for 250k per hour than endless horrors in the country that destroyed.
          1. koshh
            +1
            April 17 2014 10: 36
            I completely agree. I think they only dream that a scenario would be unfolding with the introduction of Russian troops, and they will be able to escape and sitting by the pool in California to talk about how Russia destroyed their neighboring Ukraine. No, let them hold their elections and rake their own, let them receive everything that the people give them.
          2. koshh
            +2
            April 17 2014 10: 58
            Naturally, they understand everything. They need a scenario in which they with a beautiful mine on a p.o. I’ll be able to dump Russia and leave Russia to rake the MDF, which they have heaped up. This cannot be allowed. GDP does everything in a different scenario, in its own way.
      3. 0
        April 17 2014 11: 49
        If Russian troops enter (which, by the way, is "a pitchfork", it is also "written" on the water!), Then it will not be an invasion (which is constantly being trumpeted by both Ukrainian and Western media), it will be liberation! Another liberation of Ukraine from the "brown scum"!
    2. +17
      April 17 2014 08: 56
      Putin, after all, is an alpha male - he hasn’t entered anything yet, but everything is already in ecstasy ...
    3. +10
      April 17 2014 10: 41
      Excerpt from the "Manual on the conduct of hostilities in the steppe and forest-steppe areas of the northern Black Sea region", M., "Voenizdat", 2014, 92 p, BBK 68.14.1s, article 57 "... in case of the impossibility of guaranteed fire destruction of manpower due to the use of fortifications, natural shelters, folds of the terrain, mixing with the civilian population, it is necessary: ​​... loudly and clearly, if possible - using technical means of sound amplification, give the command "HTO DO NOT DOWNLOAD - TOI M.O.S. K.AL.L! "
      1. 0
        April 17 2014 12: 49
        Are you all joking with sick people? lol
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  3. +13
    April 17 2014 08: 40
    So the outcome is close.
    If only people did not die.
    1. +7
      April 17 2014 08: 48
      Already died.
      One of the militias died during the assault on a military unit in Mariupol, 12 people were injured

      The author’s forecasts come true. Civil war is already a reality
      1. +4
        April 17 2014 11: 07
        First of all, it is necessary to remove such military experts as Krutov. It was because of his vile practices that blood was shed. He invents traps for defenders.
        Sly and mean bastard, and therefore dangerous.
  4. +8
    April 17 2014 08: 42
    Greetings to all! In five days (in the event of a direct military clash with the RF Armed Forces), Ukraine will become the 90 subject of the Russian Federation.
    1. +2
      April 17 2014 09: 01
      Even in ideal conditions, we won’t be able to do it in five days, but there are external factors. And still need to hold a referendum. wink
      And the 90th subject will not work, because today we do not have 89 subjects. Think for yourself: at the end of the 90s there were 89 subjects (although I can be mistaken, memory sometimes fails), 2 (Crimea and Sevastopol) were added, but 10 out of 4 autonomous okrugs remained, the rest were attached to regions and territories.
      1. +3
        April 17 2014 09: 12
        Quote: Arhj
        Even in ideal conditions in five days we will not meet

        Yes, given the fact that the GRU special forces and intelligence agents we did not have smileand seriously if we need it as a subject of the Russian Federation? let it be a good neighbor. otherwise I don’t really want to mess with these idiologically savvy zapadents. Russia has no problems without them
        1. +2
          April 17 2014 11: 01
          Quote: punk
          yes given the fact that GRU special forces and scouts we have not left
          And how to understand this? what
          1. +3
            April 17 2014 11: 25
            Judging by the statements of the Ukrainian media, they have all been captured ...
          2. 0
            April 17 2014 11: 32
            The GRU special forces were abducted, about 2 years ago. If I am not mistaken....
            1. 0
              April 17 2014 12: 02
              You are confused!
        2. yustas
          0
          April 17 2014 11: 35
          Quote: punk
          given the fact that the GRU special forces and intelligence agents we did not have

          Good day to you and good health!
          And where do you think our intelligence disappeared?
    2. +1
      April 17 2014 14: 02
      5 days is an idealistic assessment of Ukrainian generals, based on their knowledge of the real situation in their armed forces. This term applies only to the existence of the Ukrainian army, and clashes are not necessary for this, especially if we take into account the moral and psychological state of the troops in conjunction with the level of their combat training. For full control over such a vast territory, a grouping of troops will be required, comparable with the size of the Russian Armed Forces. And in fact, as colleagues have already said, the third Russian question is: why the heck?
      1. xan
        0
        April 17 2014 14: 21
        Quote: shifervals
        For full control over such a vast territory, a grouping of troops will be required, comparable with the size of the Russian Armed Forces.

        No! Control requires authoritative power, the orders of which will be followed by reformatted Ukrainian security forces. The most authoritative politician in Ukraine GDP. Simple cops hate the junta for obvious reasons. To change the government, you need to personally remove the junta, Parliament and the media. This is the task of specialists, not troops.
        And hold an honest referendum in all regions of Ukraine, in the course of toughly suppressing criminal activity by the forces of Ukrainian cops.
  5. +19
    April 17 2014 08: 42
    "If we assume that in the first days of the armed confrontation, the units of the Russian special forces that passed through Chechnya will be on the side of the rebels, the outcome of this confrontation is not difficult to guess."

    How they are afraid of Russian special forces. And rightly so. Nobody will hold their hands then, like the Berkutovites. They will pay for everything.
    1. +1
      April 17 2014 09: 50
      They rely on NATO military assistance. Therefore, they are going to specially provoke us to enter the aircraft. This will be the reason for the actions of the Alliance, and again we will become the embodiment of evil.
      1. 0
        April 17 2014 13: 58
        Honestly, we look forward to when NATO is rocking, well, when will they lose caution, since the time of Pristina, we are waiting ... But they only fight with each other in languages
  6. Serge56
    +2
    April 17 2014 08: 43
    the seventh verse from the "song of the soldier"
    on the motive "" Your Honor, Lady Luck .. "

    furrowed wrinkled. ,
    jojob ass without corners,
    be creative,
    doggy style without pants.
    Their wives rage
    maskals will be born
    so, in two priests .. we them ...
    let them write - "they lied"
  7. +8
    April 17 2014 08: 44
    Almost everyone already understands that soon the junta will end, only the junta itself will not understand this. He will understand only when he turns out to be, according to the expression of Zhirinovsky, in the dock at the Rostov garrison tribunal.
    1. +3
      April 17 2014 08: 49
      Giant of Thought RU  Today, 08: 44
      only the junta itself will not understand it


      ,,, they all understand, therefore they are pushing to unleash a civil war, (or even an interstate one): "The war will write off everything" ,,,
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    3. 0
      April 17 2014 13: 35
      there’s nothing for them to do here, let the people of Ukraine judge. Where they shoved it there in the face, like a cat naughty.
  8. Gagarin
    +32
    April 17 2014 08: 46
    The people in the Donbass have already matured, in addition to hatred of Bandera, they are already actively interested in exchanging hryvnias for rubles, working salaries and the price of gas in Russia.
    Many ordinary people no longer feel themselves part of Ukraine, for them it is only a matter of time, the process has begun.
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    2. xan
      0
      April 17 2014 14: 11
      Quote: Gagarin
      Many ordinary people no longer feel themselves part of Ukraine, for them it is only a matter of time, the process has begun.

      When annexing territories, Russia never imposed its language, religion, customs and its heroes. The Chukchi did not know for a hundred years that they lived in the Russian Empire. But the Russians guaranteed that, in compliance with the criminal code of the empire, no one would touch them. Ukrainians behave differently. To each his own.
      I don’t understand one thing - why, with the living memory of the Second World War, why should I impose the views of the Bandera on all of Ukraine? Well, where is the common sense? Nationalists, you sheep, with your sick love for Ukraine, you destroyed the country.
  9. +7
    April 17 2014 08: 46
    Nobody asks anything from Ukrainian nationalism, this is a stupidly naive infantry, so here the West does not need federalization, and Bendera would have sat down long ago if it had not been for the West.
    1. +4
      April 17 2014 10: 17
      Quote: ZU-23
      Nobody asks anything from Ukrainian nationalism, this is a stupidly naive infantry, so here the West does not need federalization, and Bendera would have sat down long ago if it had not been for the West.


      Valentine, you are right. The Westerners are the "infantry" and the commanders-in-chief are America.
      Why should America mess in Ukraine?
      I think that the matter, as always, is in material interest.
      America has invested in shale gas. It must be sold to Europe, but shale gas is expensive (production, liquefaction, transportation by gas carriers, the construction of which also costs money). So you need to remove the competitor in the form of Russian gas. Ideally - a civil war over the entire territory of the gas pipelines in Ukraine.
      The bad news is that Russia has almost no chance to prevent the worst. Even if the SE breaks off from Kiev, the gas pipeline will still go through the western region. A stalemate, any move leads to a worsening of the situation.
  10. +5
    April 17 2014 08: 46
    Guys, you can't give up our Ukraine ... Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa and Slavyansk, for fathers and grandfathers, for the Motherland, go ahead!
  11. +10
    April 17 2014 08: 47
    One thing I don't understand why it was necessary? There was a country, maybe not "best of the best", but at the very least they lived and worked. Why have you lost everything and everything? The oligarchs will now lose a lot in any case, ordinary Ukrainians can lose everything, including their lives! Freedom, namely freedom and not lawlessness, is no more. The economy has practically died, a single country has died, not practically, but in fact. Why did you burn your fellow citizens, destroyed the center of the capital and divided the people into parts? Who has options?
    1. +9
      April 17 2014 08: 54
      Divide and conquer - as old as the world.
      Washington's policy towards Russia. Bleed among themselves the Slavs.
    2. mad
      +9
      April 17 2014 08: 56
      My option is to delay the default of the dollar. While there is instability on the planet, finances see an island of stability in the form of a pile of green paper. Although, in fact, it is less valuable than the toilet, because tough ...
      1. +1
        April 17 2014 11: 02
        for tough ...
        and if you mash laughing
    3. +4
      April 17 2014 09: 02
      This is a plan of the West.
      But he did not succeed. They wanted to squeeze all Ukraine into the EU. It did not work out, the east did not want to go there, why Yanukovych took a time out. And the state parliamentarians, ofigev from kicking Yanukovych, who constantly called to Moscow, decided at once to change power and draw them into the EU.
      The only catch is that with their unprofessionalism, Nazism and hatred of the Russians, real Kiev all their goals are about ... al, because CIAshnikov had to be replaced by Yatsenyuk-Tkrchinov, and not by frenzied Nazis, who even in the media can’t restrain their hatred of the Russians.
      Everything. Now there is a bet on chaos in central Europe, so that the dollar still lives on and that the eurozone economy is unstable, and then, so that the United States again tied the EU to itself both economically and by NATO. The EU will now be happy to arm the states at the expense of other items of expenditure. People will be increasingly unhappy and, in short, wait for riots and revolutions in the EU.
    4. +2
      April 17 2014 09: 07
      So it’s obvious why, with the naked eye, the states prepared the territory for themselves, the people pampered, in general, for the Americans, Ukraine is a vital space, well, when the volcano smells, and then Crimea was taken from your hands, and the South-East is flowing off, it's a shame, so much money tumbled into the coup.
    5. zzz
      zzz
      +2
      April 17 2014 09: 10
      Quote: Zhaman-Urus
      One thing I don't understand why it was necessary? There was a country, maybe not "best of the best", but at the very least they lived and worked poorly. Why have you lost everything and everything?


      In order to create a springboard for the fight against Russia. It's the same as you get up in the morning and go to bed at gunpoint. IMHO. Anglo-Saxons need obedient Russia.
    6. +10
      April 17 2014 09: 13
      Quote: Zhaman-Urus
      I don’t understand one thing. Why was this necessary?

      Why is it incomprehensible? There were oligarchs at the helm and the trough. But "not those". The poorer oligarchs also wanted to "fuck". Moreover, the West has promised to help. you just need to analyze who has which production. And how can you export raw materials from here, make your own production in the west, and import here a "foreign product". For the right price, of course.
      The second point is ideology. No matter how brains zombied, there was a dull protest of the Russian speakers! All time! And therefore they undertook to instill Ukrainization. After all, there was always a threat from the Ukrainian Russians! So they decided to finish them off completely. Which welcomed the EU and the United States.
      Here the speech (and the war) is not about Ukraine. It's about the confrontation between Russia and the West!
    7. +1
      April 17 2014 09: 25
      Those people who often want a lot of money for power, and they often overestimate their abilities, though not in money, right? Hi P.I.Indosne from Balabanov
    8. GRune
      +1
      April 17 2014 09: 52
      They (the oligarchs and the current authorities) expect to snatch more, for such "people" any crisis is an opportunity to earn money, and the civil war is just manna from heaven. ..... they wanted people and country.
    9. 0
      April 17 2014 09: 56
      The option can be only 1 ... and it is not about improving the life of a simple citizen of Ukraine .... whom the people raised .... and soon the campaign will lift the forks ....
    10. ed65b
      +2
      April 17 2014 10: 00
      You believe no Zhaman-Urus, I have been asking myself this question since the beginning of the Maidan. We lost everything, only Russia has grown in Crimea.
  12. +7
    April 17 2014 08: 48
    They believe that in the event of a direct military clash with the RF Armed Forces, the Ukrainian army will cease to exist within five days.



    That's just without it. It's all the same to fight with the brotherly people, as my youngest says "to the bastard"
    1. +12
      April 17 2014 09: 15
      Quote: user
      It's all the same to fight with the brotherly people, as my youngest says "to the bastard"

      you just need to clarify with the help of intelligence who is opposing. If the Banderlog is baked, then I'm sorry. These "delete" not "in the bastard". These ardent enemies were, are and will be.
      1. zzz
        zzz
        +3
        April 17 2014 09: 30
        Quote: Egoza
        you just need to clarify with the help of intelligence who is opposing. If the Banderlog is baked, then I'm sorry. These "delete" not "in the bastard". These ardent enemies were, are and will be.


        I agree, you need to clean it up one by one. There will be no commanders, and the Radovs will diminish their ardor. Correspondingly, to change the legislation so that it would not be common to create different "sectors" and "sects". And cut the 5th column!
    2. +2
      April 17 2014 09: 45
      Well, no one talks about the destruction - the termination of the existence of the Ukrainian army does not mean total murder, moreover, the mechanism for its destruction was launched 23 years ago.
  13. +4
    April 17 2014 08: 49
    Quote: avia12005
    Guys, you can't give up our Ukraine ... Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa and Slavyansk, for fathers and grandfathers, for the Motherland, go ahead!

    I agree, you can’t lose your people
  14. +7
    April 17 2014 08: 50
    A completely distinct and clear analysis of what is happening in Ukraine. And nothing more. I will read further articles of this author. Delighted !!!
  15. Znayka
    +2
    April 17 2014 08: 51
    We will wait, what else remains ..
  16. +5
    April 17 2014 08: 52
    Judging by some estimates, zapadentsy really are afraid of the Russian army to the point of shaking ... Neither the EU nor NATO will fight for the junta and K, so the fear of the latter is so strong!
    1. 0
      April 17 2014 09: 13
      Quote: Sergey7311
      Neither the EU nor NATO will fight for the junta and K, so the fear of the latter is so strong!

      Well, why, they can throw a shusher from the Young Europeans (the Baltic states are there with Romania, Poland, Hungary, Albanians), and the old Europe will not fight ...
      1. xan
        0
        April 17 2014 14: 30
        no one will fight against the army of the Russian Federation, except for outright enemies such as pathological Bandera, well, these are not a sin to "format".
  17. +1
    April 17 2014 08: 53
    God help all the people of Ukraine who have suffered from the brown plague and those who are fighting this infection. It turns out that everyone knows the end result, but you have to go through all the stages of the "game" called life ...
  18. gavr0209
    0
    April 17 2014 08: 54
    There are no normal leaders in Ukraine! All professional revolutionaries (and this is a profession!) On the side of the junta !! There will be a rebellion senseless and merciless! I don’t understand what’s going on! Question to the Ukrainians - how much can you endure? are you really two-wire?
  19. +6
    April 17 2014 08: 54
    We have only 180 thousand people in the BB, of which 25 thousand are order-bearers, that is, people fought well. And in the Ground Forces, the past hostilities in the Caucasus are also enough, if not for Serdyukov there would be more. Now the Armed Forces are led by adequate people. Rearmament is underway. So five days it depends on the variant of "cleansing" Ukraine from this pro-American scum.
  20. +1
    April 17 2014 08: 56
    These dibiloids themselves have been destabilized by their illegal coming to power and are now advocating the integrity of Ukraine after the Crimea has come down. They have arranged a comedy with mobilization and special operation, they use the army as jesters and provocateurs, they don’t think they’re going to pay their debts and feed the people, summer is fast in such a showdown it will fly by, and in winter the Russians will again blame it, well, what can you think of them even for a naive layman?
    1. 11111mail.ru
      0
      April 17 2014 17: 11
      Quote: Igor39
      These dibiloids have destabilized the country

      First, debiloids, and second, destabilized. Let's try to solve the problem with your spelling in a slightly lighter form. To speak English? Imagine saying "The Bill" (Monica had such a guy). So say "stupid person", and write also, there will be no mistake. Work on destabilizing yourself (count as homework).
  21. +2
    April 17 2014 08: 58
    I don’t want blood ... Neither small nor large. Whatever the outskirts of the armada, and machine guns and guns shoot. So mothers will cry both in Russia, and in New Russia and in Ukraine. Do not...
    1. 0
      April 17 2014 09: 21
      Quote: Riperbahn
      I don’t want blood ... Neither small nor large

      And most importantly, with such joy, all you have to do is wait until everyone comes to work in the SBU building in Kiev, including CIA and NSA officers, and accidentally blow up this slaughterhouse to the damned mother. Then it’s possible to take Torchka with Yaytsenyukh and the whole fraternity, take it by the scruff of his neck and kick towards the crib !!!
      1. GRune
        +1
        April 17 2014 09: 55
        Yeah, an explosion of domestic gas, damn it, and Russia's hero Miller for the supply of raw materials for the accident.
  22. 0
    April 17 2014 09: 01
    Torchibokomayytsenyuhi themselves already suffered from fear, from the expectation that they would soon come and lean against the wall! I never felt in myself bloodthirstiness and sadism, but I want to see these on the stake in all the news and to tell my feelings!
  23. 0
    April 17 2014 09: 01
    So it turns out that we are exchanging federalization for a civil war. Smart you won't say anything
    Rather scared for the population
    . They believe that in the event of a direct military clash with the RF Armed Forces, the Ukrainian army will cease to exist within five days.
    Then Turchinov is an unwise person.
  24. Grenz
    +3
    April 17 2014 09: 02
    Quote: Coffee_time
    Quote: avia12005
    Guys, you can't give up our Ukraine ... Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa and Slavyansk, for fathers and grandfathers, for the Motherland, go ahead!

    I agree, you can’t lose your people


    Yes, of course you can’t!
    But this is precisely where the Americans will catch us.
    It is to draw us into the war, and then to fence off the trenches from the whole world, to strangle economically and to tear apart geographically.
    This is the true goal of the United States, which is realized by the hands of the junta.
    1. zzz
      zzz
      +1
      April 17 2014 09: 22
      Quote: grenz
      Quote: Coffee_time
      Quote: avia12005
      Guys, you can't give up our Ukraine ... Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa and Slavyansk, for fathers and grandfathers, for the Motherland, go ahead!

      I agree, you can’t lose your people


      Yes, of course you can’t!
      But this is precisely where the Americans will catch us.
      It is to draw us into the war, and then to fence off the trenches from the whole world, to strangle economically and to tear apart geographically.
      This is the true goal of the United States, which is realized by the hands of the junta.


      Is there really no way out? They always drive us into a corner. We are afraid of a little blood, we get a big one.
  25. 0
    April 17 2014 09: 04
    Yeah, it’s not long, if only in the end they wouldn’t have been corrupted, single cameras are already waiting for them.
  26. +1
    April 17 2014 09: 04
    Quote: name
    Ukraine will become the 90th subject of the Russian Federation.

    It won't! We have enough of these "Ukrainians". The subjects will be the regions of the former Ukraine. How many will there be? I think that at least 6-8 (all of the Left Bank plus Odessa region), of course with Kiev - the mother of Russian cities.
    1. GRune
      +2
      April 17 2014 09: 57
      Russia will not take them right away, not pull ... 10-12 years they will have to independently pull up the economy with a social program, then only maybe.
      1. +4
        April 17 2014 10: 29
        WHAT DOES IT MEAN "WILL NOT PUSH ..."
        People in Ukraine - there are, factories - also still exist, energy and raw materials are also not a problem, the front of work (needs) is higher than the roof
        Well, what the hell do you need ????
        A clear task is needed - a work plan and a team to start work. (And to introduce temporarily for 5 years a moratorium on political activity - in the sense of working in workshops and in the fields, and not on the Maidan!)
        AND EVERYTHING WILL GET !!! good
  27. +3
    April 17 2014 09: 04
    Vajra in Hinduism is the mystical weapon of the gods. An excellent pseudonym, clever thoughts, clever, rightly visionary conclusions. And the blood is already pouring. And rightly so, Ukraine slipped through federalization, Ukraine is falling.
  28. +3
    April 17 2014 09: 05
    I don’t know about the denouement ... while only the plot is visible, every day everything is more wonderful and wonderful. There is a beginning for the revolution; there is no end for the revolution. I can not imagine a situation in which for at least a week this whole nightmare would end happily endlessly, banderldogs would become white and fluffy, Turchinov, Avakov, Yarosh and a hole with a bagel would be poisoned with singed polonium, and the era of universal prosperity and prosperity would begin. It feels like this hemorrhoid is very long. Moreover, it is carefully combed by our Western partners, counting them in a duplicate.
  29. +7
    April 17 2014 09: 05
    Quote: name
    In five days (in the event of a direct military clash with the RF Armed Forces), Ukraine will become the 90th subject of the Russian Federation.

    All of us do not need! Only protect your own.
    1. +3
      April 17 2014 09: 14
      Some kind of blue country you have left :)))
    2. +7
      April 17 2014 09: 17
      Good map, right!
      1. +9
        April 17 2014 09: 23
        Quote: Barracuda
        Good map, right!


        I would just slightly Poland. You can use the map, you can snout. So as not to pop it, wherever the trace.
      2. +2
        April 17 2014 10: 07
        but I believe that Volyn should be given to Bulbash))) may the Belarusians forgive me))) Well, I was born in Volyn- I feel sorry for her)) and to my grandfather’s grave if I don’t go to Poland ((((
      3. +6
        April 17 2014 10: 37
        Well, from what Budun Poland cut a piece ???
        Did they invest at least one sr.any.y zloty in these lands, or spend at least a ton of cement or a cube of wood to restore these lands ???
        No, you won’t get any Kemsky volosts !!! fool
        GO BEFORE THE STATE BORDER OF THE USSR! And who does not like - in front of you the whole of Europe - leave! negative
    3. +3
      April 17 2014 09: 32
      And where is Transnistria? Need to add! And it is not clear that Sumy is silent? After all, this is also Slobozhanshchina.
      1. +3
        April 17 2014 10: 39
        Quote: andj61
        it is not clear that Sumy is silent? After all, this is also Slobozhanshchina.

        Sumy was out of the question. Very many people in the region support the Maydan people. Of the district centers in Shostka alone, most are against the junta. But this is not the vast majority. And this is because Shostka in the Sumy region is relatively recent, before that the city was part of the Kharkov region.
        1. Leha leha
          +3
          April 17 2014 11: 27
          It’s true, I’ve talked with a person from Sumy, in general, complete zombies, Putin Hitler and the like, and as he says people like him, there are a lot of them. She doesn’t want to listen, she doesn’t understand anything.
    4. Artem1967
      +2
      April 17 2014 13: 21
      Poland, Romania and Hungary will not crack crack?
  30. Tanechka-clever
    +7
    April 17 2014 09: 15
    "Andriy Vajra: It seems to me that the possibility of federalization in Ukraine has already slipped through." - this is the most important message of the article - the meaning of federalization has already been lost. The West spat in the face of the Southeast and thereby demonstrated its superiority, and those who today in the Southeast think and hope that by demonstrating their loyalty to Bandera Kiev they will deserve this - let them drown in gratitude and bonuses right away - Bandera will begin to demonstrate their hatred later the entire ruling elite will be destroyed, and the people will be crushed and humiliated. This can be understood from the events that continue to take place in Kiev - and they have not yet legalized their power. And now many of the people of Kiev have given way to fear. Bandera's people act not through the law, but through the barrel of a weapon.
    I never read Andrey, but it's a pity. Now you have to find and read.
  31. +1
    April 17 2014 09: 23
    For some reason, none of the journalists asks where your identification marks are.

  32. 0
    April 17 2014 09: 23
    Everyone understands the aforesaid, even in Kiev, but the new Vlad does not want to be guided by common sense, for which he must pay.
  33. +7
    April 17 2014 09: 23
    Good article. I would like to add that the Russian Federation and 3 days will be enough to completely paralyze and demoralize the "army" of Ukraine.
    In any case, our duty is to prevent a civil war.
    Those who do not understand - punish.
    Conduct special operations to neutralize the activists of Galicia and the "right sector". You can send them to Siberia for taiga work in freight cars. At least what is the use ... At the same time, the brains will be aired.
    Under guarantee, Yanuka should be returned to Kiev with the aim of breaking presidential decrees or minimizing any contacts with the Yankees by presidential decrees. After that - to hold the election of the President of Ukraine and the Constitution.
    That's the whole denouement ...
    The old woman Europe also needs to be taken for .ope, deserved it.
    And with the Americans, in my opinion, you need to stop any relationship and withdraw from all contracts. Send them in Russian, from the heart. First. These creatures are only capable of crap.
    1. GRune
      +3
      April 17 2014 10: 00
      Fuck in Siberia, take it to your yard for good, don’t fuck Siberia again.
    2. 0
      April 18 2014 10: 59
      Why is it to Siberia ??? To the mines deeper!
  34. +3
    April 17 2014 09: 24
    Quote: Zhaman-Urus
    One thing I don't understand why it was necessary? There was a country, maybe not "best of the best", but at the very least they lived and worked. Why have you lost everything and everything? The oligarchs will now lose a lot in any case, ordinary Ukrainians can lose everything, including their lives! Freedom, namely freedom and not lawlessness, is no more. The economy has practically died, a single country has died, not practically, but in fact. Why did you burn your fellow citizens, destroyed the center of the capital and divided the people into parts? Who has options?

    To do this, they burned, beat, shot, to work off their "two hundred hryvnia a day" - these are privates, in order to work out much more attendants - all sorts of Yatsenyuk, Turchinov, Tyagnibok. The country has never been normal. And, finally, ordinary Russian people got sick of it! The limit of patience is simply over. In this state, a person is able to sacrifice (and sacrifices!) His life, goes with bare hands to armored vehicles - and wins!
    For the United States, the collapse of the country and the killing of people around the world is a common policy. But in Ukraine, for their grandmothers (5 billion invested in support of the Maidan, according to them!) They did not receive a victory, but a defeat.
    Imagine the situation: in January, the Maidan calms down. In the 2015 elections - Yanukovych loses them miserably - no one would have chosen him. The same clique would surely have come to power. But before that, Russia would swell a lot of money into Ukraine, stabilize the economy, and on a platter, present all this to creatures from the current junta. But they would rule already legally! Do you think people would benefit from this? What about the country? After all, this is only a delay in resolving a long-standing conflict.
    And now, Ukraine cannot exist in its former borders and form. And the junta leaders are guilty of this, imagining themselves to be victors and spitting on the will of the people. And they did not defeat the people of the South East, but only the existing corrupt power. Moreover, they removed this power illegally, and they themselves were tied to this power!
    Now, in addition to Ukraine, a new Ukrainian People’s Republic is needed. Or the Federal Republic of Slobozhanshchina and New Russia. Or other options (the regions are part of Russia, the confederation (oh, I do not believe it!) In the current country) - now the word is for the people. We wait.
  35. tnship2
    +2
    April 17 2014 09: 34
    Yes! The article is very good. Cannons do not shoot without oil.
  36. Not angry
    +2
    April 17 2014 09: 46
    The East has risen to defend its interests, its history (we share it with ours). Protecting yourself
    they protect us, this is the last frontier following us. The only thing I want them to pay is as little blood as possible.
  37. 0
    April 17 2014 09: 51
    I don’t know about everyone, but it seems to me that we are now slowly merging the southeast, there are "undercover" negotiations and trading with mattress mats, most likely Russia is gaining time to disrupt the elections in Ukraine, so in the southeast everything is so blurred who - he shot at someone, it seems that there are wounded, but it seems that there are killed, it seems that the plane was bombing, or maybe not - the game is going on the true meaning and the result in our lifetime we are unlikely to know
    1. +1
      April 17 2014 13: 47
      it seems bad to you, they did not drain and do not salt.
  38. 0
    April 17 2014 10: 03
    Quote: Arhj

    Yes, and the 90th subject will not work, because today we do not have 89 subjects.

    Now 85 subjects.
  39. +3
    April 17 2014 10: 14
    Enter our troops in response to the bloodshed? I don’t know, I’ll just continue to pray that we win without blood. And I think it is possible if the Ukrainian Army simply goes over to the militia side of Donbass
  40. 0
    April 17 2014 10: 28
    Quote: Earnest
    Quote: Arhj

    Yes, and the 90th subject will not work, because today we do not have 89 subjects.

    Now 85 subjects.

    Maybe it will. How many entities can leave the Southeast? No matter how much more than 8!
  41. calocha
    +1
    April 17 2014 10: 39
    Hostages of fear and hopelessness (processed by the information war) because of gray and gloomy faces. Many have already realized- “Bandera came and brought order!” Hope for Ukraine in the East!
  42. +1
    April 17 2014 10: 41
    How dope in the heads of these maydanutyh. One involuntarily has to realize that their place is most likely in ward No. 6.
  43. 0
    April 17 2014 10: 48
    Soon Nuremberg. It's a pity Bilogo is not upturned.
  44. +1
    April 17 2014 11: 02
    Let's see what our PRESIDENT will say to all this. I think STATES is oh how not to like it.
  45. HAM
    0
    April 17 2014 11: 07
    quote: "... We, the inhabitants of Ukraine, are the greatest hypocrites. We do not want to admit reality."

    Unfortunately, the author is right.
    Only the fascists did what the authorities of Kiev are doing now: they surround the unwanted with troops, and the "cleansings" are carried out by the right-wing sects. And then there will be no one to hang all the "dogs" on ...
  46. +2
    April 17 2014 11: 15
    The Chinese have a trick: to strangle in a friendly embrace.
    If there wasn’t gas, the brains of many were clearer. And sausages all the more. Unfortunately, blood was shed thanks to our former specialists, like Krutov. You can no longer give this reptile such an opportunity. Oh, to steal it so that it looks into the eyes of the motherland.
  47. +2
    April 17 2014 11: 31
    Today Solovyov received an SMS on the air, something like: "Putin hears God and follows all his advice ..." Rudolfovich reacted: "Rather, the Lord hears Putin and helps him in everything" (not a quote, maybe a little lied). Our troops are in full readiness - this is 100%, but it is necessary to use them only in the most extreme case. The management understands this very well. And yet, you don't need to wear rose-colored glasses. We, Russia, are confronted by a most serious enemy, now really probable. Ukraine is just a piece on the chessboard. We must wait when the opponent makes a mistake and only then make his move. IMHO.
  48. 0
    April 17 2014 12: 01
    The writer Gleb Bobrov wrote back in 2007 a warning book "The Age of the Stillborn". I am re-reading it now for the second time. And it was not for nothing that it was banned in Ukraine. Because it says about:

    "... the impending civil war. The near future. The Russophobic policy of the" orange "is tearing Ukraine in two. The" Zapadentsy ", with the support of NATO, are trying to pacify the Left Bank by force.

    Fuck! After all, he looked into the water! Frightening, you know. Moreover, the book without a happy end.
  49. +1
    April 17 2014 12: 18
    Transfer photos of this to Donetsk Krutova V.V..
    He and his special group in blue suits will do many more troubles.
    Probably naive, peaceful residents of Donbass, it seems like a Russian general Krutov, and they believe him.
    As if to bring this information there in order to drive it into a corner. It would be necessary to warn everyone.
  50. +1
    April 17 2014 12: 34
    Quote: Arhj
    I agree. The golden words "In Ukraine, sausage has always won over ideology" are applicable not only to Ukraine. Everyday life has little in common with philosophy.

    That's right! Draws on philosophy when there are no problems with sausage winked
  51. tokin1959
    0
    April 17 2014 12: 39
    Some people in eastern Ukraine were neutral towards the junta.
    the slogan - we overthrew the thief Yanyk, now we will live a new life - worked.
    but now people will see enough of the Maidan Banderas from Kyiv, whom they only saw on TV, and will understand what the junta has in store for them in the future - in this case there will no longer be a single state.
  52. +1
    April 17 2014 12: 47
    The main thing is sausage, and immediately. They died on the Maidan, they made a revolution, they went to Europe to buy sausage, that’s why they came up with proto-Ukrainians and Bandera. They deceived the whole country like children. Until the economy picks up, revolutions will continue. The question of borders is just unclear; there must be republics; let them destroy 23 years of “fairy tales” themselves (with fraternal help). And the author is very interesting, they posted a link on the website, limitrophe 8, a very entertaining forecast for Ukraine (published in 2012), it’s coming true.
  53. 0
    April 17 2014 12: 47
    You can take all of Ukraine right now. That’s business... But we don’t need her. It doesn’t even need itself, that’s how Ukraine is. The South-East must be taken, and we need it, and it needs us, love so to speak winked But this will open us up too much in battle. So federalization is not dead. Quite on horseback - Kyiv is going on an erotic-geographical journey, but we call everything decently, like real life. Diplomats know better, maybe autonomous regions... but so autonomous that the “center” is simply sent and that’s it.
    Army, southeastern army! By no means Russian, all the equipment should be taken from the Ukrainian “army”, fortunately it was conveniently fitted. The only thing is that all this equipment, weapons, and equipment must start working quickly. The engines should have fresh life, the barrels should be brand new, the ammunition should be fresh and full... By the way, this is a good order for factories in the southeast. Again, we need to contribute to the salaries of military personnel, etc. and so on. Then it will be possible to slowly decide on the unification on paper.
    There is an urgent, urgent need to build a framework of power and defense in the South-East in this vein. And the West will wash itself again... Yes, the first thing we need to do is put the BORDER TROOP in order! In a sense, border guards must obey the South-East. Whatever you want, you have to do it. And that's it, victory.
  54. 0
    April 17 2014 12: 54
    And here, no lies from “unpreceded” journalists about the “horrors of Russia” will help

    Yes, such liars even perform under the Russian flag. Just yesterday here on the forum some liar with a red star as an avatar claimed that in Russia the rent for a 1-room apartment is supposedly 4 thousand rubles (I pay less than 2 thousand), and the average salary (except for Moscow and St. Petersburg) is supposedly 10 thousand (try, find someone for that salary, maybe part-time). The same sent by Bandera Cossack. After all, he knows perfectly well that he is lying, but he lies anyway. For what? The answer is clear, it works out the money.
    1. 0
      April 17 2014 14: 34
      send receipts for salaries of real many people, as well as receipts for rent? If you don’t like the information that a person conveys, it’s no good to immediately label him a “liar.” In this way, you become like these (maidanut) xenophobes who do not accept any point of view different from theirs.
      1. 0
        April 17 2014 16: 33
        Quote: urganov
        send receipts for salaries of real many people, as well as receipts for rent?

        Send it. I'll send it too.
        Still, 4 thousand for a one-room apartment is fairy tales. Perhaps somewhere in the North. My brother pays 5,5 thousand for an apartment, but he has a three-room apartment. For a one-room apartment, including water, I pay 1920 rubles, not 4. Another 135 rubles for gas. For electricity 300-600 rubles, depending on the time of year. I don't have any benefits.
        And the salary of 10 thousand is only for watchmen and cleaners. I am an employer myself. Sorry, who the hell can you find a job even for 20 thousand. I have a relative who receives 7 thousand a month, but he lives in a rural area. And a minority lives there. So we need to talk about the minority, but according to this commie, in Russia, a salary of 10 thousand is supposedly the norm. Listen to the commies, there are only beggars all around. There is no need to lie, fellow commies. The vast majority of the country lives normally, and no one goes hungry. And there were enough beggars even in the Soviet Union. Receiving a pension of 12-20 rubles and surviving only from the garden. Also, by the way, in rural areas. My grandmother, who raised 4 sons, received a pension of 20 rubles, and my aunt had a pension of 12 rubles. They increased it only in the 80s, and then only slightly.
        Quote: urganov
        real many people

        I am a real person myself, not a ghost. And I know life as well as you. And everything is no worse than communist propagandists.
        Quote: urganov
        If you don't like the information,

        Only liars like lies.
  55. 0
    April 17 2014 13: 17
    A wise man!
  56. Artem1967
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    April 17 2014 13: 17
    And hardly any reasonable person doubts that if blood is shed in the South-East, the Russian army will not enter the conflict zone to force peace.

    Russia will simply be forced to intervene, even under the threat of tougher Western sanctions.
  57. 0
    April 17 2014 13: 25
    How did they get these underdeveloped ones from Kyiv!!!Southeast beyond the Russian Federation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  58. 0
    April 17 2014 13: 30
    According to my sources, our Ministry of Defense does not doubt it either. They believe that in the event of a direct military confrontation with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Ukrainian army will cease to exist within five days.

    Optimists)))
  59. -1
    April 17 2014 14: 09
    Quote: Mikhail3
    You can take all of Ukraine right now. That’s business... But we don’t need her. It doesn’t even need itself, that’s how Ukraine is.

    That's it... Like Vzletnye candies in Soviet times. Spitting it out is a pity, swallowing it is scary. So what to do? Still, there’s no escape, although I agree - at least Galicia is not on our path.
  60. +2
    April 17 2014 14: 20
    Guys! Messages from Kramatorsk and Slavyansk are almost like Vysotsky: “They scare you with helicopters, then they fly Su-27s...” I mean, aviation is power! What about the militias? Somehow a message flashed: “a truck with rockets for the “igla” type “grad” installation was captured?!?! And off and on it went: “they captured rockets,,grad,,...”; “they captured MANPADS, ,Igla,,..." But what was actually captured? Did anyone understand anything?
  61. 0
    April 17 2014 18: 17
    http://warfiles.ru/show-52796-inostrannye-naemniki-k-raspravam-gotovy.html Просмотрите ссылку и не взять пи этих наймитов в клещи и покрошить в винегрет. Ну парочку взять в плен.