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German press scared Soviet tanks

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Two large German publications (Bild and Berliner Zeitung) decided to send a petition to the Bundestag demanding that the Russians be removed Tanks from the memorial to the fallen Soviet soldiers in Tiergarten. The memorial is located on Berlin Street on June 17 near the famous Brandenburg Gate.


German press scared Soviet tanks


Edition "Bild":
Russian tanks are a symbol of the Cold War policy. Therefore, "Bild" and BZ ("Berliner Zeitung" - approx. "IN") sign a petition with the following requirement: we do not want Russian tanks and other military symbols on the Russian memorial at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin.


The Bundestag must decide that the Russian tanks from the Tiergarten Memorial be dismantled. The reason is that Russian tanks today threaten a free, democratic Europe. We do not want to see Russian tanks at the Brandenburg Gate.


For the first time since the end of the Cold War, Russia has stepped over a peaceful revolution, having introduced its troops into the Crimea. Today, Russian military units are deployed on the border with Ukraine, threatening the freedom and sovereignty of the state.


We do not refuse the respect of the Russian people and do not deny their enormous suffering and sacrifices during the Second World War, but we believe that the memory of the Red Army soldiers who have been loyal to the earth should be preserved without underlining the militarism of the current leadership of the Kremlin, without reminding Putin’s tanks.


In general, there is a lot of text in the petition: from horror stories about Putin’s tanks threatening Europe, to the absurdities about a certain “peaceful revolution” through which Russia in Crimea allegedly stepped over. We, of course, understand that for some German editions of “only” 100 corpses and 1000 injured in Kiev for the sake of a “democratic” idea, this is quite a “peaceful” action (well, compared to the tens of millions of people killed and tortured in pursuance of the idea German leader during the Second World War), but, by and large, one such thought is already criminal, especially if it is expressed by such German publications respected in certain circles ...

The memorial complex itself, located in 300 meters from the Brandenburg Gate, was opened on the spot in the autumn of the mass grave of Soviet soldiers 1945 (according to some information, about 2,5 of thousands of soldiers and officers are buried here). On the opening day of the memorial in Berlin, a parade of Allied forces was held. In addition to the 2's Soviet T-34 tanks, which are mounted on pedestals on both sides of the memorial, there are two guns on it that took part in the battles for Berlin. In the center of the memorial is a sculpture of a Soviet soldier. Above the complex waving Russian tricolor.

Apparently, after the separate motorized units of the Ukrainian army began to side with the residents of the southeast, who were fighting for federalization, fixing Russian flags on the Ukrainian armored vehicles, progressive publications started hysterical: Berlin, the Russian tricolor, tanks, Putin, a-a- ahhhh !!!

Naturally, the calls of the two German publications to dismantle the memorial in Berlin caused a negative reaction. Moreover, critics of the petition "Bilda" and "Berliner Zeitunga" were awarded not only in Russia, but also in Germany itself. In particular, in response to a newspaper petition, the Berlin City Hall stated that the people who signed the dismantling appeal did not understand the meaning of the monuments at all. In the mayor's office, the “converts” were reminded that in the German capital today there are three large memorial complexes erected in memory of the dead Soviet soldiers. One of them is a complex in Tiergarten, the other two are in Pankov and Treptow Park. In total, in the ground beneath them lies the remains of 23 thousands of Soviet soldiers and officers.

Berlin City Hall (quoted from "Deutsche Welle"):

All these monuments should be viewed not as an expression of a military threat, but as symbols of victory over national socialism. On the memorial in the Tiergarten, tanks of the Soviet, rather than the Russian, army were actually installed, and the Soviet army was long gone.

In addition, the cold water tub on those who came up with the idea of ​​dismantling the memorial, and poured the readers of the publication "Bild". In their comments, the majority of readers expressed their bewilderment as to why the editorial board today began to see the traces of “Putin militarism” and, moreover, here in general the memory of Soviet soldiers who liberated Europe from fascism.

Here are a few comments in which readers evaluate the petition of German newspapers (comments on the website "Bild").

Jack ripper
The T34 is a great tank of its time. And a monument worthy of him. That's why my answer is NO! The tank should remain in place!


E.Zander
This petition is ridiculous.


Jochen bohnert
And I do not want a spying American embassy at the Brandenburg Gate !!!


Ben benn
How about a more timely petition: we don’t want an American atomic weapons in German boden. I consider this petition to be much more important than voting against old tanks.


M h:
And the French do not want to ask: do they want to see the German guns in Verdun? Russian troops have long been withdrawn from Germany, and the US is still here ... And nobody writes petitions about this.


Bocks Horn:
For the Jewish victims of Nazism, memorials were erected. And this is a memorial in memory of 20 to millions of people who did everything to strike at Nazism. The memorial symbolizes the liberation struggle and the sacrifice of the Russian people. Hey, politically motivated! Germany begins to deny its history? ..


M.Muller:
What is this panicking? And who bombed Serbia? Who bombed Libya? Who brought grief and death to Iraq?


And there are hundreds of similar comments!

Honestly - I want to firmly shake hands with these Bild readers. Perhaps today ordinary Germans are much more sober in assessing the situation than the central authorities and the German press. Worthy of respect!

True, the central authorities of the Federal Republic of Germany decided not to shut off the mind - the Bundestag reported that no decisions would be taken to dismantle the Tiergarten memorial.
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  1. W1950
    W1950 April 17 2014 09: 04
    +24
    The main government did not go about these newspapers, the tanks remain.
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 April 17 2014 09: 12
      +60
      In addition to the 2's of the Soviet T-34 tanks, which are installed on pedestals on both sides of the memorial


      Where the world is heading, they will wait for the T-34 or "armature" to be installed next to the T-90 in the near future!
      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 17 2014 09: 40
        +24
        Quote: predator.3
        in the near future, next to the T-34 will install the T-90 or "armature"!

        And then their memorials will turn into an exhibition of the achievements of the Russian military-industrial complex. laughing
        1. RussianRu
          RussianRu April 17 2014 13: 34
          +39
          And also here, it would not hurt to install. lol
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich April 17 2014 16: 41
            +2
            Quote: Russian
            And also here, it would not hurt to install. lol

            but a good picture! shake ... laughing
          2. Revolver
            Revolver April 17 2014 17: 49
            +3
            Quote: Russian
            And also here, it would not hurt to install.

            Under the tanks in Berlin lies 23000 Soviet soldiers. How much do you want to put under this?
            And further. Your smiley next to the war memorial, albeit fictional, is inappropriate.
            1. Viktor Shmagin
              Viktor Shmagin April 17 2014 18: 51
              +6
              I agree with you, people shouldn’t be put under it, but the USSR also had to come to Berlin not of its own free will. Well, if forced, then I'm sorry
            2. pavlo
              pavlo April 17 2014 19: 01
              0
              do not distort!
            3. Galich Kos
              Galich Kos April 18 2014 13: 57
              +3
              Quote: Nagan
              How much do you want to put under this?


              Relax America, RusskyRu just joked)))
          3. ksv1973
            ksv1973 April 17 2014 19: 27
            +5
            I do not agree with you, dear RussianRu! Any aspiring landscape designer would consider Poplar or Voevoda more appropriate on this lawn! wink drinks
          4. philip
            philip April 19 2014 09: 50
            0
            TOWER OF THE SURFACE.
          5. Lvovich
            Lvovich April 19 2014 14: 12
            0
            And another S-300 nearby, for the protection of a peaceful sky wink
        2. krechet-1978
          krechet-1978 April 17 2014 18: 45
          +11
          - Have you been abroad?
          - In Berlin, in Prague.
          “Did you go there on business?”
          - I did not go, I walk.
          - As a tourist?
          - No, in the infantry.
          From the movie "Thirty Three" (1965)
          1. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris April 18 2014 15: 34
            +2
            And they also remember it very well ...
      2. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim April 17 2014 09: 42
        +11
        How frightened the Germans are, hmm. what
        1. mamont5
          mamont5 April 17 2014 09: 53
          +22
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          How frightened the Germans are, hmm. what


          This is not the Germans intimidated. It is their government and the engaged media are working out their ration.
          1. bif
            bif April 17 2014 11: 04
            +9
            Quote: mamont5
            Quote: tronin.maxim
            How frightened the Germans are, hmm. what


            This is not the Germans intimidated. It is their government and the engaged media are working out their ration.

            Perhaps, but Germans and other Europeans are different ... An article about the attitude of Europeans to the response of the Russian Federation to events in Ukraine.
            "Europe is scared of a possible Russian response to the Ukrainian events. If Russian tanks go to Kiev, they will only be in Lisbon!" http://www.anaga.ru/evropa-v-panike.html
            “As it turned out in the course of the polls conducted by our correspondents among acquaintances of Europeans through contacts on social networks, there is a quiet panic in Europe. then after the establishment of the current uncertain situation, all these feelings were replaced by fear, sometimes turning into horror.
            The fact is that almost every European, be it a Pole, a German, or even a Portuguese, is sure that Russia will not leave it that way - she will certainly stand up for her eastern Ukrainians and bring troops to Ukraine, as was the case with South Ossetia in 2008 year Moreover, the citizens of European countries believe that if the troops of the European armies come out on the side of the victorious opposition, and they rate this probability very highly, then the Russians will not stop before military clashes with them. But even the expulsion of the European interventionists, they believe, will not stop the Russians: after entering into a rage, they will start to develop success and will stop only in Lisbon.
            Experts and analysts are trying to reassure fellow citizens, pointing out the technical backwardness of the Russian army in the field of precision weapons and the fact that NATO forces are numerically superior to Russian troops, but such arguments do not apply to the public. Europeans believe that after the first clashes with the Russians, their soldiers will flee the battlefield just like the brave Georgians fled.
            Most of all, Europeans are afraid to get into Russian captivity - Russian prisoners will certainly be sent to Siberia.
            The propaganda unfolding against Russia in recent years, in which Europeans were told about the horrors of the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe and about the fighters of the Hitler Youth, raped with bottles of Molotov cocktails, had the opposite effect, and now the Russians are afraid of panic and believe that there is no escape from them.
            The Germans are especially scared. They believe that the Russians and Belarusians have not yet forgive the atrocities of their ancestors and are ready to take revenge on the Germans again.
            Oddly enough, Norway was second in terms of panic.
            “We have a common border with the Russians,” says one officer of the Norwegian army, and nothing prevents the Russians from attacking us from the north.
            The Dutch are also scared. He believes that Russians especially hate the Netherlands for the sexual freedoms reigning in them, and are just waiting for the opportunity to come to them and establish their medieval order. "
            1. Chertkov Oleg
              Chertkov Oleg April 17 2014 13: 50
              +2
              This Europe is full of "psaki" and "rainbow" minorities. With rare exceptions.
            2. Paramon1979
              Paramon1979 April 17 2014 13: 59
              +2
              I forgot the smell of diesel fuel and how a tank diesel works.
            3. andj61
              andj61 April 17 2014 14: 16
              0
              Comment is not worse than article. I really liked it.
            4. anomalocaris
              anomalocaris April 18 2014 15: 47
              +2
              Well, the Norwegians are in the blood, from their ancestors of the Swedes. I have personal experience, if anyone is interested, I’ll tell you.
              Everything else is nonsense of the Dutch, stoned nymph.
              The Germans, by the way, are extremely shitty about the occupying forces (to put it Americans).
              The Germans who are in direct contact with Russians and Belarusians do not suffer from this disease. You can believe it, verified by personal experience. They are generally extremely adequate people.
        2. Orik
          Orik April 17 2014 16: 05
          0
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          How frightened the Germans are, hmm. what

          There are few, but in this case they began to eat the same mushrooms as their Ukrainian partners in Kiev.
        3. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo April 18 2014 08: 40
          +1
          What are the Germans frightened at, hmm

          Frightened !?
          This means they remember ... that you can’t offend Russians!
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 17 2014 09: 55
        +2
        Quote: predator.3
        wait for the T-34 or "armature" to be installed next to the T-90 in the near future!

        T 90 will not be there, it costs too much for us. Another 70 years will pass and there will be those who want to demolish the monument from T 90.
        It can be said that politicians are troubled, but ordinary people who we are trying to separate from politicians vote for these politicians.
        At the root of tries ... and Europe and the USA!
        1. mojohed2012
          mojohed2012 April 17 2014 10: 03
          +4
          In 70 years, the t-90 monument will be replaced by t-150.
          Apparently it will soon be necessary to ride again on t-90 and Armata in Europe and visit Berlin in Berlin.
          I am in favor of the petition: "Tank rally across Europe Moscow-Brest (France). There and not back", this time not to give West Berlin to the states.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 17 2014 10: 14
            +12
            Quote: mojohed2012
            I am in favor of the petition: "Tank rally across Europe Moscow-Brest (France). There and not back", this time not to give West Berlin to the states.

            And how many tens of millions of Russians are you ready to put this time?
            1. Ptah
              Ptah April 17 2014 11: 06
              +10
              Somewhere I met such a cynical calculation of human losses in wars over the past 500 years. In Europe.
              In each subsequent war, casualties increased from 2.5 to 4 times.
              It turns from 60 millions (half of the population) to total.
              And this is in order to "put the tank". How annoying are those who simply dream of experiencing all the "charms and romance" of the trenches ...
              Or want to shine from the inside gently green from radiation.

              Replica IM. Show your RIGHT position in relation to both the Germans (French, etc.), and to NATURAL HUMAN VALUES. Yes, stand against the general sodomy for at least 15-20 years - so the Germans themselves will install Russian tanks. Moreover, they will ask - "Komm nimm mich doch. Wir liefern."
            2. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ April 17 2014 11: 08
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And how many tens of millions of Russians are you ready to put this time?

              Or will we take advantage of internal contradictions in Europe itself and the economic crisis?
          2. Pit
            Pit April 17 2014 10: 53
            +16
            Quote: mojohed2012
            I am for the petition: "Tank rally across Europe Moscow-Brest (France). There and not back"

            Paris, two Russian tankers sit in a bistro, eat croissants with coffee, a column of Russian armored vehicles is nearby.
            One to the other:
            - Hey Sanya, it's a shame like that. Everything seems good, but we lost the information war! laughing
          3. Strezhevchanin
            Strezhevchanin April 17 2014 19: 01
            +2
            Quote: mojohed2012
            In 70 years, the t-90 monument will be replaced by t-150.

            We can now laughing I'm afraid for the Germans, such stress fellow
            1. family tree
              family tree April 17 2014 20: 03
              +3
              These, if only the Ukrainians will deliver. Both T-150, both Kharkov Tractor Plant.
        2. Tersky
          Tersky April 17 2014 10: 53
          +7
          Sasha hi KIEV, April 17 - RIA Novosti. Armored vehicles of Ukraine, blocked on the outskirts of Kramatorsk, deployed and headed to the place of permanent deployment in the Dnipropetrovsk region, the Ministry of Defense said on Thursday.

          "Fifteen units of armored vehicles (B), which were blocked by activists near the village of Pchelkino on the southern outskirts of Kramatorsk, are returning to their place of permanent deployment in the Dnepropetrovsk region as of 08.00:17 on April XNUMX. <...>
          One continuous "victory" svidomityh in CTO laughing The junta is merging .... Read full here
        3. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ April 17 2014 11: 06
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          T 90 will not be there, it costs too much for us. Another 70 years will pass and there will be those who want to demolish the monument from T 90.
          It can be said that politicians are troubled, but ordinary people who we are trying to separate from politicians vote for these politicians.
          At the root of tries ... and Europe and the USA!

          It doesn't get too expensive. Value is always relative.
          But if you judge by such categories as 90 years and centuries, then Russia has troubled relations with Europe only for the last 90 years, before that 90 years were "more or less". Russia patronized the European countries, our troops were almost at Paris. The borders reached the village of Ruda Komarovskaya near Prussia.
          So there is every reason to believe that the current period of "90 years" will be favorable for Russia in its relations with Europe. It should also be understood that in Europe there is no dominant force that is ready to talk on an equal footing with Russia, and therefore, after the retreat of the United States, few will be able to reject Russia's leadership.
          Given the concentration of the United States in the Asia-Pacific region and the growing confrontation with China, the creation of the Eurasian Union with the participation of many European countries is quite realistic ... the truth must first go through the self-cleaning of these European states, which also seems quite possible.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah April 17 2014 11: 28
            +3
            I will repeat myself. While in Europe, Germany is in the role of a gendarme, and Russia is in the role of a peacekeeper. Complete order from the Urals to the English Channel. Over the English Channel, the usual "Englishwoman crap" (c).
            In place of america, buzzing half-life products, prairies with locusts mutating into locusts ....
            In South America, capitation socialism Nigro from Africa are pushed from the ladder, trying to take a standing place in the hold dry cargo sets off to Buenos Aires.
            On the construction sites of socialism, of course ...
            China entered the final phase of the competition with the Indians for the production of soldiers. Their score is already lost. About 5 lards from each side ....
            1. Nekarmadlen
              Nekarmadlen April 17 2014 12: 07
              +1
              Inspired ... Rosenbaum has lines. "Dedication to Sanka Kotov ..."

              He passed from the gates of his Narva
              To the strangers of the Brandenburg Gate.
              And carried on shoulder straps of sergeants
              What Sankin thunders people ...
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      5. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik April 17 2014 10: 18
        +12
        Quote: predator.3
        In addition to the 2's of the Soviet T-34 tanks, which are installed on pedestals on both sides of the memorial


        Where the world is heading, they will wait for the T-34 or "armature" to be installed next to the T-90 in the near future!

        YES SIR!
      6. shibi
        shibi April 17 2014 11: 12
        +3
        Where the world is heading, they will wait for the T-34 or "armature" to be installed next to the T-90 in the near future!

        The mace must be stuck between the tanks.
        And plant an alley of Glory with Poplars.
        At what, deliver them under their own power.
      7. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris April 18 2014 15: 33
        +1
        You are wrong. The Germans, as a people, and as individuals, are very sane. I talked to them pretty much, and now I’m talking. Honestly, I have not met a more complimentary nation in relation to us Russians. Although the world shook pretty much.
        Do you know that many Germans write to me: "What is going on there in the Ukraine? With all his boil?" I explain to them, they swear softly in German and ask: "What will happen next?" I can't answer here ... Although, the funny thing is, at least a third of Germany works for Russia.
      8. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx April 18 2014 19: 53
        0
        Includes 5 tank guard armies ....
      9. Foxmara
        Foxmara April 20 2014 07: 34
        0
        Quote: predator.3
        in the near future, next to the T-34 will install the T-90 or "armature"!

        like this?
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ April 17 2014 10: 55
      +4
      Quote: W1950
      The main government did not go about these newspapers, the tanks remain.

      The main thing is that an increasing number of people, including in the West, understand who controls all the media and under what tune they force everyone to dance.
      It is frustrating that the Russian authorities do not see or do not notice what a huge protest mass of the population is in Europe itself, which opposes the dibilization of society on an American basis.
      It is necessary to carry out work in this direction and help the European peoples to co-purify themselves from their evil politicians, who put the interests of the United States above the interests of their own people.
    3. max702
      max702 April 17 2014 11: 46
      +2
      After such highs, the price of gas should rise, 10% percent that way after each publication ...
    4. tchack
      tchack April 17 2014 15: 17
      +4
      Patriots will come soon ...
      1. tchack
        tchack April 17 2014 15: 19
        +2
        and in France ...
      2. 290980
        290980 April 18 2014 00: 19
        +2
        this evoyeychik will never be chancellor.)))
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 17 2014 16: 36
      +6
      Quote: W1950
      The main government did not go about these newspapers, the tanks remain.

      I was at these tanks, and saw how little children with mothers carried flowers and laid them on obelisks, thirty years have passed, and consciousness began to break ... eh, Germans ... Germans ... you have the same memory with some "Slavs" ...
  2. Svetovod
    Svetovod April 17 2014 09: 05
    +6
    Really fucked up.
    1. bif
      bif April 17 2014 09: 36
      +34
      Quote: Svetovod
      Really fucked up.

      Every joke has a share of jokes. Let the joke on the topic of tanks:
      “Once Wojciech Jaruzelski came to Reagan (when they were both leaders of the respective countries). Reagan brought him to the control center and said: - Look, what kind of equipment I have. I press the first button - the USSR takes off, I press the second - The USSR and Eastern Europe are blowing up, I click on the third - The whole world is blowing up, only the US remains. ”And Wojciech replied:“ My aunt lived in Warsaw during the Second World War and had three toilets in her house: gold, bronze and So when Russian tanks appeared on the streets of Warsaw, it was dressed right in the corridor ... "
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 17 2014 09: 49
      +15
      Quote: Svetovod
      Really fucked up.

      Well no! rather, a "test stone" was launched - like "what will the people say, and what will the people remember?" So they launched a "proposal" from which the authorities had to urgently dissociate themselves and confirm their obligations to preserve monuments, memorials, etc.
      1. Ased
        Ased April 17 2014 10: 07
        +3
        Such ideas come to people's heads when there are no smarter answers to the age-old question "What to do?"
      2. alin12
        alin12 April 17 2014 13: 03
        +2
        Not long ago Shenderovich compared Putin to Hitler, this was also a touchstone. Now all the "free media" are howling that Russia is the aggressor of Hitler's Germany. Everyone is turning from head to foot
        1. balyaba
          balyaba April 18 2014 14: 17
          0
          On the contrary, upside down ...
        2. Foxmara
          Foxmara April 20 2014 07: 42
          0
          Quote: alin12
          Not long ago Shenderovich compared Putin to Hitler, this was also a touchstone. Now all the "free media" are howling that Russia is the aggressor of Hitler's Germany. Everyone is turning from head to foot

          "Overton window". Everything fits. I wrote about this back in February-March. Fagots also came to power in the west. I highly recommend reading to understand the essence of the processes.
      3. sssla
        sssla April 17 2014 15: 46
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        rather, a "test stone" was launched - like "what will the people say, and what will the people remember?"

        At the very bull's eye
    3. PN
      PN April 17 2014 10: 57
      +1
      Well, I don’t know, are you fucked up? I personally am for the fact that there should be monuments about the victory over fascism, but they should not be militaristic. It is necessary to remember about people, heroes of liberators, and not about military equipment. The soldier in Treptower Park is an excellent monument !!! The monument tank should be located on our territory, as a memory of what our grandfathers fought on, and in Germany it looks like a horror story and nothing more.
    4. Lone gunman
      Lone gunman April 17 2014 16: 20
      +1
      Yes, they will not dare, otherwise a new Armata tank "from RUSSIA with love" will be on duty in the entire gay union on the hills and hills.
  3. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson April 17 2014 09: 05
    +5
    Here they have a pop zhzhod! Nits ...
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 April 17 2014 09: 11
      +23
      They still have nightmares!
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 April 17 2014 09: 26
        +29
        Let me remind you of the old Soviet joke.

        Russian, German and American gathered and began to find out who goes to work, to the country and on vacation abroad.

        The German says: I go to work in a Volkswagen, to a country house - in a Gelendvagen, and on vacation abroad - to a big "be em ve."

        The American says: I go to the Chrysler to work, to the suburban villa - to the Ford Ranger, and when I need to go on vacation abroad - I sit in the Fleetwood Enterprises camper.

        The Russian shook his head and said:

        - I go to work, well, by bus. I go to a friend in the country by train, because it’s faster. And abroad? .. Abroad we drive tanks.
        1. Ased
          Ased April 17 2014 10: 12
          +7
          Quote: Alex 241
          Abroad we drive tanks.

          :)
          And in a big company of compatriots. For fun!
        2. I do not care
          I do not care April 17 2014 10: 37
          +15
          Quote: Alex 241

          - I go to work, well, by bus. I go to a friend in the country by train, because it’s faster. And abroad? .. Abroad we drive tanks.
          1. Ased
            Ased April 17 2014 11: 20
            +1
            I do not care

            What a good song! Why not drill? :)))
        3. Foxmara
          Foxmara April 20 2014 07: 45
          0
          on very polite tanks!
  4. Monk
    Monk April 17 2014 09: 08
    +9
    The Soviet soldiers are afraid of it, they will be asked at such a pace to transfer the graves, here are hoopoes.
    1. Pasus
      Pasus April 17 2014 09: 56
      +6
      This is not a fear of Soviet soldiers, this is the general state of the political mood of the EU, formed under the pressure of US media propaganda.
    2. 0255
      0255 April 17 2014 10: 49
      +5
      Quote: Monk
      The Soviet soldiers are afraid of it, they will be asked at such a pace to transfer the graves, here are hoopoes.

      Well, according to Western propaganda, Soviet troops only did what they killed and robbed civilians, and then they also established a terrible communist regime in the GDR. Stalin they have an ally of Hitler.
      And about the fact that the Americans robbed and killed civilians, and they had much more rapists and murderers than in the Soviet troops, they prefer not to remember. Or they don’t remember about Dresden, which the Americans bombed almost completely, although there were no German troops in this city. Russians didn’t bomb their cities.
      1. wandlitz
        wandlitz April 17 2014 20: 18
        +5
        During my stay in the GSVG I was acquainted with a teacher at a German institute. Once he spoke about the bombing of Dresden by the Anglo-American
        Air Force Before that, I had not heard about it anywhere. He was 5 years old during that terrible bombardment of Dresden. He and his mother were miraculously saved. So he and the 85 year, he hated the Americans as if the bombing was yesterday.
  5. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn April 17 2014 09: 10
    +8
    As usual in any country - there are complete idiots, there are sane sane people. And they understand that Russia can change the old "thirty-four" to more modern T-72 or T-90, if they scoff at the memory of Soviet soldiers.
  6. Grenz
    Grenz April 17 2014 09: 11
    +11
    Silently with Ukraine, why not play along with your nazimaybe counted.
    Moreover, Merkel tries on "Heil" for herself.
    But the historical memory of the Germans is strong and we will hope for common sense, and not for spring aggravation.
    Although the T-34, they correctly fear. During the events in Serbia, tanks from pedestals refueled, armed and they again entered the battle. Maybe it was with this calculation that our fathers and their food were left there. And the guns too.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 April 17 2014 11: 26
      +3
      Quote: grenz
      During the events in Serbia, tanks from pedestals refueled, armed and they again entered the battle.

      34 fought in Afghanistan, there were cases. And proved to be excellent in the highlands!
      1. Riperbahn
        Riperbahn April 17 2014 11: 35
        +1
        Well, so in Yugoslavia they fought on the Serbian side, and on the Croatian-Bosnian.
    2. Foxmara
      Foxmara April 20 2014 07: 47
      0
      yes .. Russia is the only country that can conquer Europe with the help of monuments.
  7. Strashila
    Strashila April 17 2014 09: 12
    +20
    They are rightly afraid ... in Krasnoyarsk, a fresh battery was brought to such a pedestal on a reconstruction, they filled fuel ... and he moved off the pedestal under his own power.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 April 17 2014 09: 22
      +11
      ...................................................................
    2. Artist
      Artist April 17 2014 09: 36
      +10
      By the way, most of the memorial tanks are on the move and are in reserve.
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 April 17 2014 09: 51
        +6
        Quote: Artist
        By the way, most of the memorial tanks are on the move and are in reserve.


        Yes, next to us, in Novokuznetsk, also the t-34 stands on the podium. It is said that in the 90s, men from KMK came to work in the morning, and the tank tower was deployed to the plant management. After that, hatches were brewed just in case.
        And what, they say, in the tanks the solarium is still splashing, because. drove on a pedestal under its own power.
        1. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris April 18 2014 16: 04
          +1
          Hmm ... I'm from the Forge myself. This tank was driven into the city (under its own power) after the shooting of the movie "Hot Snow", driven onto a pedestal, after which its tower was steadily deployed to the KMK plant management. About six months later, it was welded to the hull, and the hatches were welded. But all this was in the days of the dense USSR. Years before the 80th.
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          2. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris April 19 2014 10: 25
            0


            This is Kuznetsk TANK. In general, during the war KMK cooked and rolled armor plates for them.
      2. Riperbahn
        Riperbahn April 17 2014 10: 53
        +2
        Like most locomotives at railway stations. When all the electronics fly, we will pull all the tanks off the pedestals, put all the locomotives on the rails. We will be with weapons, vehicles, heat and light! Tremble, pampered Westerners !!! :)))
      3. alex-s
        alex-s April 17 2014 11: 07
        +3
        In Kazan, a tank was stolen from a pedestal a couple of weeks ago from Victory Park. We put the batteries in, refueled, but did not have time to start the engine - the police burned!
        1. Little Muck
          Little Muck April 17 2014 11: 22
          0
          Quote: alex-s
          In Kazan, a tank was stolen from a pedestal a couple of weeks ago from Victory Park.

          Looks like someone wanted to get a rarity on their lawn. fool
          After all, to find the old and restore, you need money, desire and brains. angry
          Therefore, neither one nor the other is there.
          What to say? UROO.D.Y. . fool
    3. Hope
      Hope April 17 2014 09: 42
      +4
      I can say that 90% of such monuments throughout the country are quite alive. in Chelyabinsk, they also skated from pedestal to pedestal under their own power.
    4. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre April 17 2014 10: 14
      +4
      They are rightly afraid ... in Krasnoyarsk, a fresh battery was brought to such a pedestal on a reconstruction, they filled fuel ... and he moved off the pedestal under his own power.
      So what? This is such an option of secretive long-term storage. Mobile Reservation
      wassat
      Not a bit surprised if rockets, batteries, a cable are connected to a similar pedestal with Katyusha, then after a few minutes of preparation it will be possible to give a volley.
      1. family tree
        family tree April 17 2014 20: 17
        +4
        Diaries of a lieutenant platoon.
        But still there was one incident, after which something remained inside. Long before the combat stage of the West-81 maneuvers.

        ... A team of old-time tankers, cheeky in their experience, led by a dapper captain, was preparing to drag another car to the place of the alleged "slaughter". This time a heavy tank KV - "Klim Voroshilov" was unloaded from the railway platform. Then they were going to tow it with a modern T-72 tank.

        - Well, my young friends, - the captain in a bleach-bleached overalls flicked a nut rod on the bootleg. - Before you is a wonderful example of Soviet tank building, named after the one who was sung about "and the first marshal will lead us into battle." Weight fifty-two tons. The crew is six people. How the commander managed with such a burst of "extra" personnel - I do not know. Howitzer one hundred fifty-two ma'am, three machine guns. The shot was worth three pairs of chrome officer's boots. Frontal armor, alas, seventy-five millimeters. Would you, guard corporal, agree to fight like this? .. How is it - no! But the Germans won! Well, grab grandpa. May he rest in peace.

        They threw in the cables, but the "Klim", brown from the layer of preservative coating, did not want to get under way. The rollers seemed to be rooted to the tracks.

        - Turnovers! - Once again the captain commanded the towing driver.

        A cloud of exhaust gases from "seventy-two" covered the KV, and no one caught the moment when completely black smoke suddenly burst out of this gray shroud in short bursts. "Klim" has come to life!

        The tracks, forcibly dragged along the ground, started the engine that had once been left in gear. "Klim" blasted a "seventy-two" into the stern, it swerved to the side in fright, and the towing ropes fell off.

        The ancient tank moved on its own. He walked slowly in a straight line, crushing the swamp bushes.

        - Unclean! - the mechanic yelled foolishly and rushed after him.

        A warrior-guard jumped so greyhound at the unusually high stern of the old tank that he cracked an overalls on his ass. We must suddenly stop the veteran who came to life! But KV hatches did not yield to modern tower keys.

        The ghost crew went on the attack. Last one.

        "Klim" was stopped only by the fact that after three hundred meters an insignificant residue of fuel in its tanks burned out. Breathless soldiers crowded in front of the tank.

        - Hey, grandfather, come out! The war is already over! - the mechanic tapped the key on the old armor.

        Someone jammed a headset on his nose ...

        “Nikolai, do you remember in which direction that caave moved?” I asked.

        - To the west! - answered the captain Denezhkin. - To the west!
        Read more: http://news.tut.by/society/247512.html
  8. Leisure
    Leisure April 17 2014 09: 19
    +9
    They are probing public opinion in the "American semi-colony".
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre April 17 2014 10: 16
      +3
      Definitely.
  9. basil200
    basil200 April 17 2014 09: 20
    +4
    The world is slowly coming off the coils. Either we in Russia live in a parallel world, or something I don’t understand. How can this be, maybe it's a matrix. Morpheus is somewhere nearby ...
  10. avant-garde
    avant-garde April 17 2014 09: 20
    +6
    How do you think after such statements Latvia will be very scared? laughing laughing

    Russia has already chosen the next victim after Ukraine, - MEP
    Russia flag coat of arms
    The next victim of Russia's armed aggression in Eastern Europe may be Latvia.

    This was broadcast on Espreso.TV by the European deputy from Poland, former vice-president of the European Parliament Jacek-Sariusz Wolski, reports Censor.NET.
    "We are observing actions that are very disturbing, and they concern Latvia. Just as in the Crimea before the annexation, secret public opinion surveys were carried out, such surveys were carried out in Latvia. So this is a broader plan for the restoration of the Russian Empire," Jacek said Sariush-Volsky.

    The politician believes that although Ukraine will be the main target of Russian aggression, under the pretext of protecting Russian minorities, Russia may attack other neighbors, trying to restore the Russian empire within the borders of the USSR.
    It should be noted that in Latvia there are 2 thousand Russians per 600 million of the country's population. 200 thousand of them are non-citizens, as they refused to learn the Latvian language or did not pass the exam. Source: http://censor.net.ua/n281462
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn April 17 2014 09: 24
      +4
      I served urgent in Latvia. Oh, I wouldn’t refuse to turn L. buses into aliens!
    2. basil200
      basil200 April 17 2014 09: 38
      +3
      They try very hard to lick between the rolls to the west.
    3. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 17 2014 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: avant-garde
      The politician believes that although Ukraine will be the main target of Russian aggression, under the pretext of protecting Russian minorities, Russia may attack other neighbors, trying to restore the Russian empire within the borders of the USSR.

      Yes, we will not attack.
      Just put in a pose "drinking deer" economy, get yourself together. laughing wassat
    4. Berkut-UA
      Berkut-UA April 17 2014 09: 53
      +3
      they are afraid to hold a referendum
      or are they scared of polite people?
    5. Tersky
      Tersky April 17 2014 10: 58
      +4
      Quote: avant-garde
      The politician believes that although Ukraine will be the main target of Russian aggression, under the pretext of protecting Russian minorities, Russia may attack other neighbors, trying to restore the Russian empire within the borders of the USSR.

      They sleep and see Russians in their cities ... probably such a Russian expression is unfamiliar - DREAM IN HAND ..
      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 17 2014 11: 25
        +2
        Quote: Tersky
        They sleep and see Russians in their cities ... probably such a Russian expression is unfamiliar - DREAM IN HAND ..

        Or REAL DREAM ... hi
    6. alin12
      alin12 April 17 2014 13: 22
      +2
      Half will come out to meet the flowers !!! And the second half will sit quietly quietly.
  11. Roman1970
    Roman1970 April 17 2014 09: 23
    +9
    All this is empty talk ... Nobody will take anything away, the tanks will remain in place. By the way, the Germans do not demolish our monuments and do not organize ss-demonstrations, unlike the small but proud Baltic republics ...
  12. Chifka
    Chifka April 17 2014 09: 33
    +6
    After the 45th year, the Germans had a steady reflex at the sight of Russian tanks - the sphincter bench press and uncontrolled diarrhea. Moreover, the reflex is hereditary. This reflex must be maintained in order to avoid recession, so as not to be forgotten. Accordingly, tanks should be periodically lubricated, refuel and replenish ammunition. So just in case wink
    1. alynin
      alynin April 17 2014 11: 17
      +2
      Otherwise, we will again take prisoners at the Brandenburg Gate.
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  13. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 17 2014 09: 35
    +8
    The West is full of adequate people, the problem is that they do not hear it and they do not give a word.
  14. parusnik
    parusnik April 17 2014 09: 44
    +3
    Someone began to imagine something ..
  15. Tima
    Tima April 17 2014 09: 44
    +2
    They do not want to see Soviet tanks on pedestals — they will see Russian on their streets!
  16. Horst78
    Horst78 April 17 2014 09: 45
    +4
    Fear has big eyes. Apparently afraid not childish.
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  18. mamont5
    mamont5 April 17 2014 09: 47
    +5
    "The Bundestag needs to decide that the Russian tanks from the Tiergarten memorial should be dismantled."

    What? Frightened, suddenly the towers are deployed, where do you need it? Our tanks are not the first to destroy the German menagerie.
  19. Berkut-UA
    Berkut-UA April 17 2014 09: 49
    +4
    Russian tanks are a symbol of Cold War politics.


    Just tanks stand in Germany as a symbol of the VICTORY of the Soviet Union on Germany.
    And who wants to redraw the story - will certainly return to square one.

    I hope that this time the Russian leadership will have enough testosterone so that 15 lands of Germany become part of the state,
    where everyone is required to know federal - Russian and local - German.
  20. Pasus
    Pasus April 17 2014 09: 52
    +5
    But what a trifle, clean everything. Brainless politicians are ready to cross out and destroy forever the pages of history. They are worse.
    Maybe this monument in Vienna, Austria needs to be removed?
  21. zorcher
    zorcher April 17 2014 09: 58
    +3
    LET BE. ALL. REMEMBER.
  22. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 17 2014 10: 13
    +2
    It is necessary, following the example of Nicholas I, to threaten to send a million "spectators in gray overcoats" in our case "tourists" in order to put presumptuous liberals in their place.
    1. alynin
      alynin April 17 2014 11: 25
      +1
      It is necessary to arrange a flash mob by sending a couple of thousand children dressed in uniform of the 45th year with PPS and again take the Reichstag.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah April 17 2014 11: 32
        +1
        Change your avatar faster. Now, like the devil from a snuffbox, a local "professor" will appear, staking out the right to stick out his sore throat and sue you for reparations. Or it will require deductions for 150 years.

        Here, use it ... It’s absolutely free and is not burdened with any copyright protection -
  23. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 17 2014 10: 13
    +2
    To what extent has it come that the "rulers of the world from the USA" and their European gayleiters already want more.
    So people are zombifying with their media propaganda, they also want to make an extremely amorphous faceless and limp mass out of it.
    If healthy national forces in these states wake up, the current authorities will not find it there. Here in France, Le Pen time to convene the Maidan. I am sure that without blood and Molotov cocktails she will take power.
  24. ambiorix
    ambiorix April 17 2014 10: 22
    +1
    By the way, I was near these tanks, took a picture. And in general in Berlin there is a giant Monument in square to the Russian people for liberation from fascism
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 17 2014 11: 39
      +3
      This is not one "monument", but a whole complex.
      When I was, I stood there for about an hour.
  25. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina April 17 2014 10: 32
    +3
    They are still afraid to even remember how they were defeated in the 45th. It is possible to replace the T-34 with the T-90, but even this will still shake them from the Russian presence. You can put padded Tigers and Panthers. This is dearer to them.
  26. kaa1977
    kaa1977 April 17 2014 10: 34
    +1
    Stupidity grows stronger. Upstart more.
  27. Bkmz
    Bkmz April 17 2014 10: 36
    +2
    You should have said this: "Take away the T-34, put the T-90."
  28. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa April 17 2014 10: 56
    -3
    Here, after all, how. It’s not just a tank. The tank stands in the territory of a military cemetery. Russia is also full of German military cemeteries. There are agreements, they do not touch ours, we do not touch theirs. If someone in Germany has ceased to arrange our cemeteries, then we can arrange an exchange, we don’t need their junk on our land either. If they start hosting as they please, tomorrow there will be a couple of tractor drivers who decide to plow a couple of German cemeteries under spring ones, what’s the problem. Yes, there’s a cemetery on the map, if you want, look for the warlock in that field. Now lovers to speculate about anything they don’t understand will start buzzing about memory and respect for the graves of the enemy, I inform you, if they do not respect ours, to hell with theirs, we did not call them.
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn April 17 2014 11: 39
      +1
      You're not right. We are not them. We can’t do that. We have a conscience.
    2. Ptah
      Ptah April 17 2014 11: 45
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      to us their junk on our land is also not very necessary. If they start hosting as they please, tomorrow there will be a couple of tractor drivers who decide to plow a couple of German cemeteries under spring ones, what’s the problem.

      Are you a man or a bastard?
      They themselves wrote that "there are contracts", therefore, as you put it" OUR Junk "there is a similar fate awaits. You will personally go to collect the remains of Russian soldiers on the plowed German fields.
      But in Germany, in contrast to Russia, there is a problem of lack of land for agricultural land. But no one even thought of giving the command to the tractor drivers on the "Klaas".
      1. Riperbahn
        Riperbahn April 17 2014 11: 50
        +2
        In general, do not touch the dead. They are not to blame for anything. Moreover, it is not necessary to make hostages of the current policy out of them.
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa April 17 2014 13: 48
          0
          But, for example, Hitler is also dead, is he to blame or not? Maybe put up a monument to him in his homeland, some sort of modest one, with the inscription - "it's not guilty of anything, just a hostage of current politics." By the way, SS men walk in parades across the Baltic States, also innocent grandfathers. Yes, in their youth they came off, but now they are not to blame for anything, they are just hostages of current politics.
      2. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa April 17 2014 13: 43
        0
        Oh, Andrei Makarevich, I did not recognize you in makeup. As you rightly noted, treaties exist, they exist until Germany begins to touch our cemeteries with its filthy paws.
        You are probably ashamed of Russia, they pushed Russian tanks, and moreover, "
        Quote: Ptah
        "OUR JUMP"
        buried in the fields of Germany, and yet they so lack arable land. Understandably peaceful German tractor drivers on "Klaas" such thoughts do not enter the head. They have other thoughts in their heads - either to burn Khatyn, then to make lampshades from human skin, then to kill 20 million Russians. But it is understandable that only bastards think about the Germans, normal people with a white ribbon think about how we can equip Russia, or dump from Russia to glorious Germany, but why are you delaying, or are you already there, share about 200 varieties of sausage and democracy, very interesting.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah April 17 2014 14: 11
          +2
          Quote: chunga-changa
          Oh, Andrei Makarevich, I did not recognize you

          Sorry to contact you. I understand - hallucinations. An image that arises in the mind in the absence of an external stimulus of the sense organs and is qualitatively similar to a real perceived object. You perceive hallucination as if it had arisen as a real object in the outside world, and not in consciousness, like an image.
          I have no more questions hi
          Once again, I apologize for allowing myself to disrupt the process of your treatment.
          To the attending physician, Andrei Yefimich Ragin, my old friend, give me a bow.

          I'm leaving ....... Well, the door to your room is creaking. I will call the watchman Nikita - he will lubricate the loop ...
          / goes on tiptoe /
          1. chunga-changa
            chunga-changa April 17 2014 14: 35
            0
            Stormy imagination, funny, liked it. Judging by the abundance of details, you had the opportunity to get acquainted with both doctors and staff in the most detailed way. Since you are at large, it is apparently believed that A.E. Ragin has already helped you, and now you are buddies with the watchman. As for the result of treatment, do not flatter yourself, spring relapse is obvious, and all greetings will soon be given by yourself. There is no need to rush in this matter; on the Internet it is advised to undergo treatment until the end
            1. Ptah
              Ptah April 18 2014 06: 19
              +1
              good I'm glad that you are funny and that I liked it, Valeria Ilinichna!
              I would like to try to transfer you to a German clinic in southern Bavaria, where there is mountain air, but there are no burial places for Russian soldiers that cause you attacks of acute hatred in general for HUMAN remains, but I see that domestic medicine has not lost professional staff among psychiatrists.
              If, nevertheless, your transfer will take place and the victory over the disease will be accomplished, which is likely, then the next planned my visit to Germany, about a month later, I will be ready to please you with trips to places of installation of monuments Russian soldiers, as well as bring you a book of a Russian classic, from which you will get acquainted with some characters that are inaccessible to me for personal acquaintance for obvious reasons, etc. "side effects" of psychiatry. hi
              1. 290980
                290980 April 18 2014 13: 23
                +2
                in Bavaria there are graves of Soviet soldiers, and they are courted as well as German ones (I myself worked for a month at the cemetery, so I know what I'm saying).
                1. Ptah
                  Ptah April 19 2014 05: 34
                  0
                  Quote: 290980
                  in Bavaria there are graves of Soviet soldiers

                  I believe. I just thought that in the Second World War there were no DBs by the Soviet army. And the "comrade" with a shattered psyche will be calmer there. An, it turns out, no ...
                  I have a friend. From the "shvis", but lives in Pfalz. I was hoping maybe he would help. And then "bummer"
                  In Switzerland there are no separate Russians, whether by their history or administrative subordination, cemeteries or sites where there would be registers, file cabinets or databases in which all burials would be recorded and centrally stored. And even more so, there are no military memorial burials with their, as a rule, regular records. In principle, such war memorials could be the graves of soldiers of the 1799 of the year from the army of A.V. Suvorov, or the corps of A.M. Rimsky-Korsakov, where the death toll at Zurich in September 1799 reached more than 15 thousand. However, time did not reach us the places of mass graves of Russian soldiers in the Swiss cantons, and there were clearly those, and in considerable numbers. A common monument to all those killed in the Swiss campaign is only the famous giant cross in the rock near the legendary Devil's Bridge near Andermatt, built by the centenary of the campaign in 1899. It is worth noting that in the south of Germany, on the other side of Lake Constance, separating the two countries, in the town of Weingarten, there is a memorial directly at the burial place of Suvorov soldiers, but it was created almost a century and a half later, when there were no more traces of the burial .
                  Therefore, the main burial place in Switzerland is, as in most countries, the usual municipal cemeteries of large and small settlements, where Russian burials ("Russians" in the broadest sense of the word - refer to all immigrants from the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union, and also their family members1) are “mixed” with the burial places of local residents.


                  And where they are not ... The graves of our soldiers ...
                  1. 290980
                    290980 April 19 2014 19: 53
                    +1
                    check PM
    3. assasyns
      assasyns April 17 2014 13: 27
      +2
      This is not so about the dead. Relatives come to these cemeteries. We are not them
    4. assasyns
      assasyns April 17 2014 13: 27
      0
      This is not so about the dead. Relatives come to these cemeteries. We are not them
    5. sv68
      sv68 April 17 2014 13: 36
      +2
      I don’t know about the correspondence of history by the Germans, but you stupidly spit on this story, and it turns out you spit on yourself too. A little after that you stand
  29. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx April 17 2014 10: 58
    0
    "Goebbels" of the whole world are uniting against Russia!
  30. nablydatel
    nablydatel April 17 2014 11: 01
    +1
    Quote: predator.3
    In addition to the 2's of the Soviet T-34 tanks, which are installed on pedestals on both sides of the memorial


    Where the world is heading, they will wait for the T-34 or "armature" to be installed next to the T-90 in the near future!

    and besides with full ammunition and on the go
  31. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta April 17 2014 11: 02
    +5
    I deeply respect the German people:
  32. Stas57
    Stas57 April 17 2014 11: 08
    -4
    there are two options for events-
    long-term Russian tanks T90 in Berlin-
    short-term, a barrel of manure is poured into a German cemetery near Smolensk, Kursk and Volgograd by a certain patriotic citizen or a landfill is arranged.
    The Germans want this? I think no.....
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn April 17 2014 11: 40
      0
      Do not be like them!
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 April 17 2014 14: 14
        0
        where does the likening?
        you know with what skip these cemeteries appeared, as they explained to people, "you understand they are watching ours, we are after them, fitting, this and that,"
        but what kind of example is it, Kursk or Smolensk without any order can plow these cemeteries, or how will they mock our graves there, and we will put flowers?
        the fascist lies beautiful only by our kindness, kindness can end
  33. avia1991
    avia1991 April 17 2014 11: 17
    0
    The reason is that Russian tanks today threaten a free, democratic Europe. We do not want to see Russian tanks at the Brandenburg Gate.

    How interesting! .. If you, gentlemen who are fucking Russophobes, continue to do what you are doing, you risk seeing Russian tanks at your gates again soon, not in the form of monuments, but real ones! wassat
  34. Anton K
    Anton K April 17 2014 11: 19
    0
    However, the tendency to rewrite the Great Pages of Our History: someone is curtained off at the Parades from the Mausoleum, someone echoes the destruction of the Monuments of Our Glory.
  35. pvn53
    pvn53 April 17 2014 11: 24
    +3
    Ordinary Germans speak correctly because they think for themselves. But the German leaders and the media - for those who think the current occupiers of Germany - the United States. Therefore, such a discrepancy.
  36. brigmercurium
    brigmercurium April 17 2014 11: 37
    0
    Time goes by, the memory of the Fritz is erased. Therefore, we will remove one T-34 in the near future ourselves, increase the pedestal and put the T-90. soldier
  37. RoadRunner
    RoadRunner April 17 2014 12: 54
    0
    The reason is that Russian tanks today threaten a free, democratic Europe. We do not want to see Russian tanks at the Brandenburg Gate.

    This is the memory of the fallen warriors. What threats can there be?
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  39. 290980
    290980 April 17 2014 13: 01
    +4
    The Bild newspaper, ordinary crap and not the newspaper (editors are mostly Jews), normal Germans do not read such crap.
    They don’t interfere with the Germans about the tanks and nobody will clean them, it’s just that this Yid newspaper is kindling anti-Russian sentiment in the lower strata of German society. (in principle, they always did this).
    Maybe it’s better to remove the memorial to the Jewish victims of WWII in the form of concrete blocks in the city center from Berlin?
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 17 2014 13: 29
      0
      Your checkbox is schwarz-rot-gold. In Germashka now. If so, do you live there or temporarily?
      hi
      1. 290980
        290980 April 17 2014 13: 35
        +2
        I live, a German by nationality.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah April 17 2014 13: 52
          +2
          Nice to meet you!
          And in what land?
          I'm only a quarter German. According to his father, respectively, the surname is not "Ivanov or Petrov".
          We lived in Bundasia with a family of more than 8 years. We decided to return. I arrived in Russia before the New Year. The family is still there, until July.
          Yesterday I arrived from the Mecklenburg region.
          Your m / r, as I understand it, is Russian (Soviet). Are you not going to Russia?
          1. 290980
            290980 April 17 2014 13: 57
            0
            Bavaria, 16 years here, I’m not going to Russia, and it’s never been there, we were from Kazakhstan (but grandfathers lived on the Volga, Saratov).
  40. postman
    postman April 17 2014 13: 01
    +3
    Guboshlepov from "Bild" and BZ simply do not know that the invaders and aggressors of the Second World War are buried (with due respect) in Russia:

    The German military cemetery, located near the villages of Lezier and Sologubovka of the Kirov district of the Leningrad region, it is the largest burial place of the Wehrmacht in Russia and has 80 thousand burials. Like this, Nazi soldiers managed to conquer a piece of Russian land with their bones







    And this is only ONE (!!!) of many.
    A symbol of what to declare them, what would: put up a "petition demanding to remove the memorials to the destroyed invaders by Nazi Germany" ????.
  41. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 17 2014 13: 03
    +1
    If we are forced to a full attack, then the panicking Europeans ... are right! We then will not be allowed to stop at the European border. We will have to go forward, just for survival reasons. So that NATO itself will not wipe us off in a year or two. And to Siberia a solid part of Europioids for five years must also be sent. Very much they are rotten, frost would benefit, definitely. But we have trouble with the roads ...
    In general, it will be better for everyone if we take what we want in the situation of the Ukrainian crisis. No shooting. Not that ...
  42. staryivoin
    staryivoin April 17 2014 13: 32
    +2
    Quote: bif
    If Russian tanks go to Kiev, they will only be in Lisbon! "


    And so, gentlemen from the European media are restricting us. To walk so walk, what is bad in London, Paris or New York? Something you have there in the West has all started an epidemic of a disease called Paranoia. They say A. Hitler experienced attacks of this disease. He’s bitten you all for the last time. Then everything is really bad for you, since it is poorly treated, neither doctors nor tanks will help here.
    It is more optimistic to look at life, cheerfully, less pessimism and bad newspapers and magazines, especially in the mornings. You look and life will get better. You are sanctioning us, and we are taxing us too ... And we are smiling at the same time how many sanctions have been imposed. And nothing this sanction virus has not taken root in our brains. We know what place your leaders think. soldier
  43. Paramon1979
    Paramon1979 April 17 2014 14: 05
    -2
    It seems that nemchura forgot the smell of diesel fuel and the sound of a working tank diesel. Nitsche will be a recall.
  44. Polarfox
    Polarfox April 17 2014 14: 14
    +1
    You will laugh, but in the Kazakh city of Pavlodar, the "thirty-four" was also removed from the pedestal from the veterans' park. Old people still spit, demanding to return the tank to its place.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 17 2014 14: 48
      +3
      Quote: Polarfox
      You’ll stop laughing, but in the Kazakhstan city of Pavlodar, they also removed

      We will definitely "laugh" ... And we will praise the Slovaks. After all, they have it. Even in perfect condition.

      Monument to the heavy tank battles on Dukla.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 17 2014 14: 56
        +5
        Quote: Ptah
        Quote: Polarfox
        You’ll stop laughing, but in the Kazakhstan city of Pavlodar, they also removed
        We will definitely "laugh" ...

        About 5-7 years ago, at the next boil in Hungary, the Magyars removed the thirty-four, which had been preserved from the pedestal, splashed the solariums, and rode as far as they could ...
        These are the armored "Trojans" laughing
        1. Ptah
          Ptah April 17 2014 15: 20
          +3
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          These are the armored "Trojans"

          Pride in technology bursts, of course. Yes be my will
          I would have removed engines from cars. In order not to enter into fright and fornication all the timid members. With words
          "Here. Do not piss. Just do not pull your sticky paws. Let it stand that was delivered not by you, but by your fathers. And not to scare you, but to remember - DO NOT ASK TO CLICK INTO RUSSIA ..."
          But in general. Ready to testify at the moment - the monuments associated with the Russian soldiers who died in Germany - EXCELLENT !!!
          In Rostock, on one of the streets there is a commemorative plaque. The text is approximately the following.
          "In 44, there was a Henschel plant where people brought from the east worked. It was bombed by the Allied aircraft. Almost 8 people died ..."
          Like this...

          Please, Ilyich, take a look at the next branch, where about the "Review of armored transporters." There "Alex" presented such a device for inspection. With a link, with detailed pictures of how to do the same yourself.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 17 2014 15: 37
            +2
            Quote: Ptah
            Please, Ilyich, take a look at the next branch, where about the "Review of armored transporters." There "Alex" presented such a device for inspection. With a link, with detailed pictures of how to make the same yourself

            Already ...
  45. andj61
    andj61 April 17 2014 14: 43
    +1
    Quote: Polarfox
    You will laugh, but in the Kazakh city of Pavlodar, the "thirty-four" was also removed from the pedestal from the veterans' park. Old people still spit, demanding to return the tank to its place.

    About times, about morals ... And what, is the empty pedestal worth it? After all, we have one story, This is their pride too!
  46. Unheavyshadow
    Unheavyshadow April 17 2014 15: 50
    +1
    What is written in these petitions is nonsense. There are no peaceful revolutions.
  47. 52
    52 April 17 2014 16: 22
    +1
    Quote: PN
    Well, I don’t know, are you fucked up? I personally am for the fact that there should be monuments about the victory over fascism, but they should not be militaristic. It is necessary to remember about people, heroes of liberators, and not about military equipment. The soldier in Treptower Park is an excellent monument !!! The monument tank should be located on our territory, as a memory of what our grandfathers fought on, and in Germany it looks like a horror story and nothing more.

    Respected! You are absolutely wrong! The T-34 is no longer militarism, it is a Symbol, this is history, this is memory. A symbol and a reminder to everyone, especially those with a memory like a maiden.
  48. Papania
    Papania April 17 2014 16: 32
    -2
    I suggest! Where they will clean, come there in modern.
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  50. Oml
    Oml April 17 2014 16: 54
    0
    Quote: Russian
    And also here, it would not hurt to install.




    Better yet, the 57 megaton "Kuz'kina mother" without the possibility of deactivation.