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BTR-4 for the National Guard of Ukraine

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At the end of March, new information appeared on the future of the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier BTR-4. According to the Ukrainian media, armored vehicles built as part of one of the most ambitious and controversial projects of recent times have found their new owners. In the foreseeable future, several BTR-4 armored personnel carriers will be transferred to the newly created National Guard of Ukraine.




The first reports of the purchase of armored personnel carriers for the National Guard appeared as early as the twentieth of March, but there was no specific information about the number and specific types of such vehicles. In early April, the Acting General Director of the Ukroboronprom concern, Y. Tereshchenko, revealed the details of the planned supplies. According to Tereshchenko, the National Guard should get 100 armored personnel carriers of various models and modifications. In the structure of these deliveries, the BTR-4 armored personnel carriers of Ukrainian design will play a crucial role. It is noted that three quarters of the required equipment, namely 74 machines, can be transferred to the National Guard in the very near future.

From the words of Y. Tereshchenko it follows that the equipment for the new divisions has already been built and is now waiting for it to be handed over to the operators. For example, the Kiev Armored Plant is ready to hand over to the National Guard five new vehicles BTR-3 and five BTR-80, which will soon have to be repaired at the expense of Ukroboronservis. Zhytomyr armored plant can transfer to the customer five repaired BTR-80. At the Nikolaevsky armored plant there is one modernized BTR-70Дi ready for transfer. Thus, parts of the National Guard in the very near future can get 16 relatively old (including modernized) armored personnel carriers.

Much more interesting are other 58 armored vehicles, ready for delivery to the National Guard. Kharkov Engineering Design Bureau named. A.A. Morozova (KhKBM) can transfer to the new 41 units the BTR-4Е linear armored personnel carrier, the BNR-7K command vehicles, the 4 command and control personnel the BTR-2KSH and 4 command and control ambulance BMM-8С. Of these 4, 58 armored personnel carriers are said to be fully equipped, in ready condition and ready to be handed over to the customer. People interested in the international arms and military equipment market will easily understand what kind of “origin” these 42 BTR-58 armored personnel carriers have.

Apparently, these are machines from the third and fourth lots of equipment intended for delivery to Iraq. 42 armored vehicles BTR-4 of the third installment last year became the main characters of the extremely unpleasant stories, and the remaining 16 should have gone to the customer after them. However, the Iraqi Ministry of Defense expressed complaints about the quality of the supplied armored vehicles and canceled the contract. It was originally planned to deliver several modifications to the BNR-420 armored personnel carriers XRUMX in Iraq. In fact, from March 4 to February 2011, the Iraqi Defense Ministry accepted only 2013 machines. Less than a hundred Ukrainian-made combat vehicles reached the army units.

Iraq refused further supplies of Ukrainian equipment due to its poor quality. The main claim was the presence of cracks in the armored corps of the supplied armored personnel carriers. The third batch of BTR-4 for Iraq, sent last spring, was not accepted by the customer precisely because of cracks in the armor plates. In the early spring of 2013, the 42 armored personnel carrier of several modifications in one of the Ukrainian ports were loaded aboard the ship SE Pacifica and set off for Iraq. In addition, the ship was carrying 70 thousand tons of metal to India. The epic with the transfer of this technology to the customer stretched for several months.

At the end of April, a 2013 vessel carrying 42 armored personnel carriers for Iraq and 70 thousands of tons of metal for an Indian customer arrived at one of the Iraqi ports. By this time, the Iraqi Ministry of Defense decided not to unload and take Ukrainian BTR-4 because of their poor quality. It took time to resolve the issues that had arisen, due to which the crew of the SE Pacifica was forced to leave the Persian Gulf and anchor in anticipation of the results of negotiations between Baghdad and Kiev.

For several months, Ukraine and Iraq could not find a common language, which is why a new “actor” appeared in this dubious story - the company-owner of White Whale Shipping. Instead of delivering new cargoes, the SE Pacifica was idle in the Persian Gulf, and the company suffered losses. The shipowner warned the organization Ukrspetsexport, which is responsible for the supply of military equipment to foreign customers, about possible sanctions. In particular, it was alleged that the ship could be sent to the port of a third country, where the armored personnel carriers would unload and then initiate legal proceedings. As a result of the trial, the equipment will be sold, and the proceeds will be compensation for a simple vessel.

After waiting a few months, the ship SE Pacifica went to India to deliver a large cargo of metal to the customer. The result of a vessel’s idle in the Persian Gulf was the failure of the delivery of metal - this cargo arrived to the customer about three months after the agreed date. Indian merchants initiated the arrest of the vessel and demanded a fine in the amount of 500 thousand dollars.

At the end of September, Indian authorities removed the arrest from SE Pacifica and again headed for Iraq. Almost half a year of negotiations led to nothing, Iraq still refused to accept armored vehicles with cracks. Only in January, 2014, the ship with armored personnel carriers again came to the Ukrainian port, after which the defective vehicles were returned to the manufacturer.

A few months after the return of the "Iraqi" armored personnel carriers BTR-4 to the manufacturer, their fate was determined. The technique, which Iraq refused, will be used by the newly created National Guard of Ukraine. It should be noted that the situation when a foreign customer refuses any military equipment, which is later transferred to the armed forces of the manufacturing country, is quite rare, although it does not constitute something extraordinary. Nevertheless, the supply of equipment rejected by Iraq to the Ukrainian National Guard is of great interest.

The Iraqi military last year was not satisfied with the poor quality of the equipment supplied, namely the cracks in the armor plates of the vehicles. In addition, 10 armored personnel carriers spent months on board a cargo vessel, and therefore require appropriate maintenance. Maintenance and minor repairs can be performed relatively quickly and simply, which cannot be said about getting rid of cracks in the hulls. Most likely, the units of the National Guard will receive armored personnel carriers, whose armor sheets still have cracks, only covered with “cosmetic” methods. It is not difficult to guess what the combat potential of such equipment will be.

Despite the fact that the use of defective equipment is a dubious undertaking, "Iraqi" BTR-4 will be able to significantly increase the combat capability of the newly created units of the National Guard. This structure so far has only automotive technology, so the supply of armored personnel carriers can have a beneficial effect on its capabilities. You should not forget the specifics of the operation of defective equipment, including in combat conditions.

According to experts, even defective armored personnel carriers may be suitable for the tasks assigned to the National Guard. For example, the publication “Vzglyad” cites the words of the director of the World Trade Analysis Center weapons I. Korotchenko, who believes that the BTR-4 with cracks is quite suitable for use in planned operations. In the current conditions, the National Guard fighters will have to deal not with a well-trained army with modern weapons and military equipment, but with the militia armed with small arms from the departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the Security Service of Ukraine. For such punitive operations will be useful and machines with cracked armor.

According to Ukrainian media reports, at the end of last year, the Nikolaev Armored Plant began shipping ordered armor for the National Guard. As far as is known, it was at this enterprise that until recently there were 42 armored personnel carriers, originally intended for Iraq. Deadlines for the delivery of the promised 100 armored personnel carriers have not yet been named. Such a transfer of equipment can take as several weeks or even days (when transferring armored vehicles from the armed forces) or take months. Finally, it should not be ruled out that all deliveries in the end will be limited to only 74 by the available machines or will not even reach such volumes.

An equally interesting issue in the context of arming the National Guard is the operation and maintenance of new equipment. To perform such work requires personnel with appropriate skills, which, it seems, is only available in the army. How will be addressed the issue of maintenance of equipment in the National Guard - is still unknown.

The transfer of light armored vehicles to the National Guard of Ukraine has already started. Over the next few weeks, units of this structure should receive more than 70 armored vehicles, and in the future the number of armored personnel carriers should increase to hundreds. Where and how the transmitted machines will be used is not completely clear. Nevertheless, the features of the current stage of the Ukrainian crisis are cause for concern. So far, no one can rule out that the BTR-70Дi, BTR-80, BTR-3 and BTR-4 will be used against "separatists", as well as the civilian population of South-Eastern Ukraine. Moreover, there is reason to believe that units equipped with armored personnel carriers will perform precisely such punitive tasks.


On the materials of the sites:
http://vz.ru/
http://whitenewsmedia.ru/
http://vesti.ua/
http://army-guide.com/
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  1. W1950
    W1950 April 17 2014 09: 02 New
    +15
    We found where to flush Iraqi braces.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 17 2014 09: 19 New
      +15
      Quote: W1950
      We found where to flush Iraqi braces.

      a marriage is not a marriage, but it can shoot, and if the Thunder or Flurry module is there, then he can do business ...
      1. Phase
        Phase April 17 2014 13: 11 New
        +8
        Quote: PSih2097
        a marriage is not a marriage, but it can shoot, and if the Thunder or Flurry module is there, then he can do business ...

        Exactly. To perform police functions, this marriage may well fit. But there is one question. If cracks in armored plates are evidence of improper heat treatment (internal stresses, fragility), then what about mine protection?
        It is a land mine, and not a grenade launcher at all, that is the main weapon of the rebels. I personally really DON'T WANT the Ukrainian conscripts and even nationalists from the National Guard to die in these coffins. Although they are bad, they are relatives nevertheless. Better agree with the Southeast. And after federalization, we will load this southeast with work. And the armored personnel carriers will be normal. No cracks. ;)
        1. StolzSS
          StolzSS April 17 2014 19: 56 New
          +5
          Nothing stupid to regret in nature is evil and careless is the first to die hi
    2. olegff68
      olegff68 April 17 2014 10: 30 New
      +5
      Great idea!!!! Immerse these "hvardeytsev" in these cracked troughs and ....... at the crossing of the Dnieper - to test the "buoyancy" ......
    3. zvereok
      zvereok April 17 2014 15: 35 New
      +2
      It is curious, but did Ukrainians allocate money for this product from the budget, or did they take away illiquid assets for free, due to great revolutionary need?
    4. APASUS
      APASUS April 17 2014 20: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: W1950
      We found where to flush Iraqi braces.

      A lot of money was spent on this marriage, and the new recipient, as I understand it, wants to get all this for free ??? Because the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has not announced the allocation of funds from the budget for such purchases!
      Well then, we can safely state the bankruptcy of this manufacturer in the near future
  2. avt
    avt April 17 2014 09: 05 New
    +17
    Well, at least it will be clear, I saw BTR4-as if the banderlogs were coming and there was no need to go to negotiate, you can immediately burn.
    1. terrible
      terrible April 17 2014 10: 07 New
      +2
      FOG2 will fry banderlog in these coffins)
  3. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU April 17 2014 09: 08 New
    +6
    I understand Kolomoisky will pay for the return of the drifting cargo from the Persian Gulf ?!
    1. Vladimir 23rus
      Vladimir 23rus April 17 2014 09: 45 New
      +3
      It seems to have already paid. (What you will not regret for personal probes teams)
    2. Horst78
      Horst78 April 17 2014 10: 41 New
      +2
      Not excluded, but I think that it was a mess. hi
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 17 2014 11: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      I understand Kolomoisky will pay for the return of the drifting cargo from the Persian Gulf ?!


      for him it’s a little thing ... Moreover, Benya, as one of the Gauleiter of New Khazaria, created his punitive unit called the Dnieper from the "patriots" who are ready to shoot anyone for money. The salary of an ordinary fighter of this elite unit will be at least 1 thousand dollars in hryvnia equivalent, and the commanders - from 3 to 5 thousand dollars. April 15, the formation of these "assault squads." Interestingly, on the day when Judas betrayed Christ for 30 pieces of silver, maybe a coincidence or not ... Bloody Christmas was already there, now they want to arrange a bloody Easter?
      “Now Beni will also have quite official assault troops, armed, equipped, and, most importantly, operating in the“ legal field ”of Ukraine, that is, militants who can easily be sent to anyone and at the same time they will have the right to use weapons ”,
      - believes the blogger Arguendi, quoting the "Browser"

      Very aggressive rhetoric of Beni Korban's deputies
      “Firstly, I want to warn all the so-called“ green men ”, - unlike the others, we are not a timid dozen, and when we try to seize the buildings of the SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, we will immediately shoot to kill, Everyone who wants to arrange a war in the region must to know that Dnepropetrovsk will be the second Stalingrad for them, only in this battle will the Ukrainian people win. ”

      and Filatov, who had previously called for hanging Crimeans.
      "He's ready. We are ready. The time has come for real men, "

      The deputy of Kolomoisky Korban and Filatov arrived from Israel immediately after the victory of the Maidan. There they hid from law enforcement agencies of Ukraine on suspicion of fraud. Here is a national Svidomo Guard.
      For some reason, I remembered the famous private armies of the oligarchs of the 90s Smolensky and Gusinsky, who practically did not obey anyone.

      Ukrainian patriots in the service of the kagala to them. Beni Kolomoisky
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 17 2014 11: 43 New
        +2
        The song is dedicated to the Dnepr special battalion formed in Dnepropetrovsk with the money of Kolomoisky and Korban from Svidomo patriots of Bandera. The Sloboda ensemble, the program "Ships entered our harbor" (chebur18 Yu tub)

  4. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 17 2014 09: 16 New
    +9
    Kramatorsk BMD raised the Russian flag and left with the rebels, but there weren’t such cars there, BORING, SAY THANKS!
    1. terrible
      terrible April 17 2014 10: 10 New
      +4
      the rebels on the BMD left, and the fighters on 2 buses home) seemed to rain
  5. pensioner
    pensioner April 17 2014 09: 34 New
    +13
    BTR-4 for the National Guard of Ukraine
    Well, there are two misery.
  6. Grenz
    Grenz April 17 2014 09: 38 New
    +4
    I do not want an analogy, but in our country, there were times when in a similar way the equipment was distributed among military units.
    God forbid that such a lesson is also illustrative for our people - you do not provide your army, do not hope that it will protect you.
  7. 31231
    31231 April 17 2014 09: 42 New
    +6
    From the words of Y. Tereshchenko it follows that the equipment for the new divisions has already been built and is now waiting for it to be handed over to the operators. For example, the Kiev Armored Plant is ready to hand over to the National Guard five new vehicles BTR-3 and five BTR-80, which will soon have to be repaired at the expense of Ukroboronservis. Zhytomyr armored plant can transfer to the customer five repaired BTR-80. At the Nikolaevsky armored plant there is one modernized BTR-70Дi ready for transfer. Thus, parts of the National Guard in the very near future can get 16 relatively old (including modernized) armored personnel carriers.


    It’s funny to me alone that armored plants in Ukraine are being repaired and manufactured individually per year?
  8. Chifka
    Chifka April 17 2014 09: 44 New
    +4
    These are not cracks, this is Ukrainian know-how - the natural ventilation system of the fighting compartment. Moreover, the system is mounted by itself, through an elementary violation of technology, without any cost and effort.
    Plus 8 wheels, you can safely lose half ...
    Plus a roof over your head, it’s possible behind the trowel in villages and Khokhlyatsky girls in any bad weather ....
    For the National Guard - that’s it! And if they fight and shoot each other - the more the technology will justify itself.
  9. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 April 17 2014 09: 46 New
    +6
    The genius of the thought of the current government of Kiev is just off scale. Iraq abandoned marriage? Then we’ll arm our own, maybe they will fight ... with the civilian population. PPC full, collect all trash, put on all trash and send to fight with their own people.
    1. 0255
      0255 April 17 2014 11: 03 New
      +2
      such APCs will also be suitable for killing residents of the South-East request
  10. Artist
    Artist April 17 2014 10: 03 New
    +4
    They will not be able to perform "punitive tasks." BTR is a tin can, which burns down when hit by a shot of an ordinary "Fly". And judging by the video and photo information, the protesters do not lack in this type of weapon. In addition, according to the specifics of GRUShnikov, two pipes will hang behind each. This technique will live for about twenty minutes ...
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 April 17 2014 10: 56 New
      +3
      Apparently friends. These are the latest models of military equipment that the military-industrial complex of Ukraine could still make and at least pass on to its own in the last breath. Everything. Now there is nothing and no one will transmit. Salaries are not paid, economic ties on components are broken due to devastation, quality has fallen.
      Why should a factory worker rivet weapons if he has nothing to feed his family with for the sake of ephemeral Ukraine.
      The fighters around the Donetsk region are starving and asking the villagers to feed - is it an army with figs? The right sector, I think they feed better. After all, this is the Bandera SS.
    2. badger1974
      badger1974 April 17 2014 19: 42 New
      0
      Well, the fly is also dangerous for armored vehicles with its “gnawing” 150 mm, but I’ll save it from the “bumblebee” with hardly any “armor”, and it’s a dime a dozen on the outskirts, by the way, basically all the ball ... it’s with “bumblebees” "everyone loved the pyromania that prevails in the outskirts
  11. maxbaxg61
    maxbaxg61 April 17 2014 10: 10 New
    +3
    Yes, the Malyshev factory is not the same
  12. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger April 17 2014 10: 25 New
    +3
    Heh ... equipment that did not suit the Iraqi army in terms of quality, was transferred to the Ukrainian National Guard .... how ironic it is.
    1. 0255
      0255 April 17 2014 11: 04 New
      0
      But what if there is not enough money for Western equipment?
  13. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 17 2014 10: 48 New
    +2
    A good mine, with a bad game ....

    If there are already cracks in the case, what will happen after active operation on the road, rain, corrosion, moisture in the middle of the compartment ... etc. laughing
    1. sv68
      sv68 April 17 2014 12: 39 New
      +1
      a good face under the BTR4 wheel - let the National Guard experience the joy of flying
  14. fregina1
    fregina1 April 17 2014 10: 56 New
    +4
    The most interesting thing is apparently the latest equipment released by the Ukrainian military factories! The Malyshevists gave away this equipment along the way just like that! And where do the workers get their salaries? And the machine updates? What can I say! Cranes to Ukroboronprom!
  15. GAndr
    GAndr April 17 2014 11: 03 New
    +2
    And what are you talking about then? They should arm this very one, how does its “guard” need something? It is necessary. And what else to arm, since they created it, if from what it can move there is only this? Arming with what they can, what is there to harden? In any case, let it be defective but new, in every way better than the non-defective but old, which does not go to Tomuzh. Well, to disperse ordinary people, the very thing you need. So to speak, the technique for sonderkommando, the more so since they still have experience with the Great Patriotic War, the Fritz policemen never gave the best equipment.
    They’ve correctly noticed already, but Bendera’s will immediately be seen, since the army team doesn’t have such equipment, plus it’s a plus :)
  16. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 17 2014 11: 05 New
    +2
    In general, the BTR-4 looks modern. The only question is the quality of execution, and indeed the salary of the workers. Family feed, what?
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 April 17 2014 12: 54 New
      +1
      You can’t feed people with obviously non-liquid technology, but if the general designers didn’t spray their energy on under-4, feeding some foreign companies participating in the BTR-4 project, and continued to bring the BTR-3 to the level of the Russian BTR-90, then with minimal they would have used equipment with which it’s not a shame to go to the arms market, and from that there would have been orders, and people would have received a salary, like this
  17. Cristall
    Cristall April 17 2014 11: 35 New
    +1
    the car is good .. it’s a pity that they gave it away .. I hope their fuel will end and armored personnel carrier 4 will smoothly pass to anyone who needs it.
    With combat modules and cartridges. Do not forget that the plant is in Kharkov.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 April 17 2014 12: 41 New
      +3
      you have a poor idea of ​​a good fighting vehicle, it is enough to disassemble two own developments of the Russian armored personnel carrier (BTR-90) and Ukraine (BTR-4), then a technically competent person will immediately see the undisputed advantage of the 90th over the 4th, and if The 90th inherited the technical advantages of its ancestor and increased them, then 4 lost these advantages, worsening the performance characteristics for the worse, the BTR-4 is only suitable for fishing and hunting, and even then if the pocket allows, but not as a full-fledged fighting vehicle
  18. badger1974
    badger1974 April 17 2014 12: 17 New
    +5
    The BTR -4 car and without cracks was completely a failure initially, 1-large volumes of side openings. and as a result, the strength of the hull is clearly weak, if there were no cracks, then initially they would have appeared in the process, 2-arrangement of the power plant in the middle is an incomprehensible design of the designers, not only will the natural burnout enter the compartment, it’s also heat loss it will be unbearable in the landing compartment, and 3- the high immersion of the machine itself in water is the friction of water over the entire area of ​​the hull, which will clearly affect the consumption of fuel and lubricants. In short, the machine is woven from structural deficiencies
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 April 18 2014 08: 54 New
      -1
      Quote: badger1974
      The BTR -4 car and without cracks was completely a failure initially, 1-large volumes of side openings. and as a result, the strength of the body is clearly weak, if there were no cracks, initially they would appear in the process


      Then the same thing can be said about all cars with a supporting body. Including about the one on which you ride. What you wrote is complete nonsense.
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 April 18 2014 09: 31 New
        0
        Is that why nonsense? just the same nonsense and mechanics, I can give a life example, in your opinion, why do three door Nivas participate in the rally of various levels quite successfully, and if they participate in the five-door ones, is something invisible to them? not an interesting thing, but the whole thing is in the openings, but on particular I ask you not to go over, my youth just on the Niva three-door passed
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 April 18 2014 21: 13 New
          0
          Quote: badger1974
          Is that why nonsense?


          I apologize for the harshness, but I see that you are not well versed in the manufacturing technology of load-bearing automobile bodies and armored vehicles.
          Firstly, the armored hull is made of armored steel.
          Secondly, if you look closely at the hull itself (as well as at any load-bearing automobile body), you may notice that in their design there are special hull (body) parts that increase the rigidity of the armored hull (body) structure. These are the so-called "stiffening ribs", as well as various "scarves", mowing, braces, amplifiers and other details.
          All these body parts are installed there just in order to compensate for the various loads of the body (body) from deformation during movement of the machine. Also, measures to protect the bearing body (body) from deformation, is its geometric shape.
          There are well-known manufacturing techniques for load-bearing auto bodies (and armored vehicles, too) that allow it to be deliberately deformed in a collision or damage. Or vice versa, prevent deformation under the same conditions.
          So that’s why I wrote what I wrote.
          I want to add that when designing the BTR-4, all of these factors affecting the armored corps during the movement of the BTR and even during its shelling were probably taken into account.
          At VO this topic on BTR-4 has already been discussed several times.
          There was a version of the fact that the cases themselves were made of low-quality material, in violation of production technology.
          And I think that it is the most believable.
          And the fact that in the photo the car plunged below the waterline, the reason for this must be clarified specifically. Perhaps this was part of the test program and the car was loaded to the limit with ballast in order to identify its buoyancy margin.
          1. badger1974
            badger1974 April 19 2014 00: 04 New
            +1
            along the way, you yourself are in destruction, because you did not answer my question, why do not five-door fields participate in rallies of different levels, unlike three-doors? you are clearly a Jew who asks a question and veils this question for an answer, FIRST ANSWER MY QUESTION, and then, if you answer, the mechanics of materials and calculations of strengths and conditions of deformation of materials will go, of course, if there is a desire
  19. svp67
    svp67 April 17 2014 12: 18 New
    +2
    To carry out such work requires personnel with the appropriate skills, which, it seems, is available only in the army.
    The author is very optimistic about the training of the Ukrainian army, judging by the numerous videos on YouTube, there are not many such specialists in the army ...
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  21. ispaniard
    ispaniard April 17 2014 15: 40 New
    +1
    Technical SLAG for the SLAG National Guard of Banderlog ... laughing It’s better to get old BMDs like they are DRIFTING at them in Slavyansk! wink
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 April 17 2014 19: 25 New
      +1
      and what does the article have to do with the fighting vehicle for capturing bridgeheads and strategic targets for the BTR-4 transporter, completely different tasks, don’t be distracted from the topic of the article, the BAMD is also “fly” and 12.7mm uncontrollable, and “takes off shoes” just from the anti-infantry - " crap, "the power of bamdy is completely different than the batra, come on
  22. Leshka
    Leshka April 17 2014 20: 05 New
    0
    it will not help them. A lot depends on the training of soldiers, and their training is very poor.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 April 17 2014 21: 16 New
      0
      remember, not the preparation is bad, but the psychological situation is not here and there, it seems there’s no enemy, but the enemy is there, but this enemy is in kiwi, and here the separatists feed and regret (by the way, we fed when we were on the chongar in March), and the authorities somehow like this .. they’re reading this important principle of military activity and combat readiness, I understand what’s the matter? and batr 4 is death
  23. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 17 2014 21: 41 New
    +1
    It is interesting southeast, specifically Kharkov, that its future ........ sells weapons
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    1. badger1974
      badger1974 April 18 2014 09: 12 New
      +2
      defect-free it is that which drowned July 26, 2013 in preparation for the Navy Day parade or who still have a full immersion
  25. erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx April 18 2014 07: 31 New
    +2
    The current national guard of Ukraine is the junta-legitimized detachments of the descendants of the Nazi policemen, slurping the German administration of concentration camps, and the savages who burned Khatyn! And the Khokhlozavods are ready, with a joyful screech, to arm these non-humans with their equipment. I believe that later on, this fact of complicity in the crimes of Nazi extortion should somehow not be forgotten.
  26. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 18 2014 08: 44 New
    +3
    An equally interesting issue in the context of the armament of the National Guard is the operation and maintenance of new equipment.

    But there will be big problems with this, because among the Banderlozh tribe there are hardly any well-trained APC drivers and gunners.
    This technique requires solid professional skills from crews. This mainly relates to maintenance and the ability to eliminate breakdowns and failures in the field with minimal maintenance.
    This is not a folder for a car, here you need to be able to move your brains. This is especially true of driving such vehicles in off-road conditions, overcoming various obstacles and barriers, as well as the skills of driving such equipment in large settlements. The same goes for gunners.



    If they have all of these in the "National Guard," then the armored personnel carrier of the khan will come full in a week.
    If not before.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 April 18 2014 09: 04 New
      +1
      such volkssturm in combination with BTR-4 afloat, ----- an infernal mixture,
  27. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 19 2014 01: 23 New
    0
    Quote: badger1974
    such volkssturm in combination with BTR-4 afloat, ----- an infernal mixture,

    Is it a bat, modify into a tactical submarine?
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    2. badger1974
      badger1974 April 19 2014 11: 10 New
      +2
      together with the pidvodny chovn which is not submerged due to leaks and about ten btr-4, which strives to drown, can be reduced to a shock flotilla, and I even came up with the name of the shock flotilla, the bastard and exact-shock flotilla of the outskirts of the womeese “MUMU”. By the way, there is an APC "Bradley", there is an APC "Rostock", and there is an APC-4 "MUMU"
  28. beifall
    beifall April 19 2014 16: 49 New
    -1
    In Iraq, on this or something like this, the Ukrainians turned over ..... being mortally drunk, there are several bodies, as usual, !!!!!!!! like in Kamchatka on September 28, 2012