On the approaches to Lugansk activists stopped a column of armored vehicles

In Lugansk, protesters intend to storm the building of the regional administration. 16 April the term of the ultimatum to the governor expires. He was demanded to recognize the Kiev authorities as illegitimate and begin preparations for the referendum. But there was no response from the head of the region, reports the Russia 24 channel. On the square in front of the SBU building on Tuesday, April 15, a regular rally was held, a tent city is growing nearby, and people are signing up for the ranks of the national militia.

And on the outskirts of the city, self-defense activists stopped a convoy of armored vehicles from six armored personnel carriers and six howitzers and began to convince the Ukrainian military not to fight against their fellow citizens. In recognition of the latter, they just moved from the border to the place of deployment. Nevertheless, the Lugansk Defense Forces increased the security of the roadblock in this direction, and local residents began to build barriers there from automobile tires.

Comments

[domokl]

So what? Why did the armored personnel carriers and howitzers remain with the military? If they just moved, then they would just shoot ... Half measures of death now are similar ...

[Corsair]

Quote: domokl

.The half-measures of death are now like ...

Although they would have taken away the locks from the guns ...

[mamont5]

Quote: domokl

Why did the armored personnel carriers and howitzers remain with the military? If they just moved, then they would just shoot ... Half measures of death now are similar ...

Or at least burn the equipment.

[Little Muck]

Quote: mamont5

Or at least burn the equipment.

Your suggestions look nice to the eye, but alas, at least not seriously.
Such an action can easily be regarded as a terrorist attack on a convoy redeployed as part of a "planned exercise." So what? From indignant unarmed residents, they immediately pass into the category of terrorists.
I do not understand. Are you for or against SE?
Or is it anyway what to write?
The site has a lot of illiterate people and such texts certainly do not contribute to restoring order in the heads. Not everything is measured +.
You can minus, you need a real approach. There’s war tomorrow, and you’re jiving.

[AVIATOR36662]

The howitzers will not shoot at people! And moving is not a crime. An order to move is not at all like an order to shoot. The situation is not easy, but you don’t need to indulge in language. And the actions of the guys from the Army of the Southeast and all the people of Donetsk Areas beyond praise! Suvorov’s words about Russians will be appropriate here!

[vjatsergey]

Well, it means that not all military men are at war with the people, but this is already good.

[domokl]

Quote: vjatsergey

not all military men even fight with the people, but this is already good.

A soldier is bound by an oath. His desire or not wanting does not mean anything ... He is either a soldier or a deserter-traitor. That is why the civil war is terrible for people in uniform ... Wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge ...

[Cosmos1987]

They took the oath of allegiance to the President of Ukraine to the people, and so they must obey Supreme Commander Yanukovych. The army’s first and most important function is to defend the country, and no matter the aggression comes from outside or inside. the Nazis captured the country and the army should not obey, but to cleanse their homeland from this scum !!!

[domokl]

Quote: Cosmos1987

the Nazis captured the country and the army should not obey, but to cleanse their homeland from this scum !!!

Sorry, but this is a purely civilian approach ... There is an order, there is a commander who gives this order ... And the soldier’s task is to fulfill the order ...
If a soldier begins to think about the legality of the order, then the commander has a crappy one. And the soldier does not believe the commander ... One-man command in the army is the basis of the combat readiness of the troops.
And how many generals and senior officers are now serving the new government? That's the same ...

[Cosmos1987]

The Soviet soldier was always different from all the others in that he always thought, and did not follow the order like a robot, such as shooting in an unarmed one, this was one of the factors of victory in the Second World War

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Cosmos1987

The Soviet soldier was always different from everyone else that he always thought

Whoever doesn’t know, I advise you to read about the events in Novocherkassk in 1962, otherwise we are used to believing that the army did not have an opinion in the Soviet period, and if the CPSU had ordered it, it would have cleared the whole country.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: dmitriygorshkov

Who doesn’t know

Why don’t I understand? Someone do not agree? Can I discuss!

[Cosmos1987]

he thought and sacrificed himself for the sake of the civilian population from the last BESLAN, when all Chechens, Dagestanis, Ossetians, Russians, with their bodies closed the children from bullets. There was no order, but they did it! ETERNAL GLORY TO HEROES !!!

[I read the news]

If a soldier begins to think about the legality of the order
So the order - HUY -. AND think about the order of the soldier should ALWAYS.

[Vladimir K.Z.]

If the army is not involved in internal conflict, this is the only right decision. Pushing the army into action is hardly reasonable.

[vladimirZ]

The people of the Southeast need to participate in the information war. It is necessary to bring to every Ukrainian serviceman the question: "Whom do they serve?"
It is necessary to propagandize the Army of Ukraine so that it goes over to the side of the people.

[Corsair]

Quote: vladimirZ

The people of the Southeast need to participate in the information war. It is necessary to bring to every Ukrainian serviceman the question: "Whom do they serve?"
It is necessary to propagandize the Army of Ukraine so that it goes over to the side of the people.

Still NOT ALONE television and radio broadcasting station is not under the control of the rebels ...

WHAT IS IT???
In my understanding, this fact does not fit

[Sharikov]

It’s enough for them that Russian TV has been returned

[Vladimir K.Z.]

When unarmed fellow citizens enter an army meeting, this is probably the best propaganda.

[Corsair]

Quote: Vladimir K.Z.

When unarmed fellow citizens enter an army meeting, this is probably the best propaganda.

When it’s the ARMY, I agree, but when there are a bunch of law-enforcement officers in military uniform in front of people, no one can guarantee that there will be no casualties among citizens.

[Name]

Quote: domokl

Soldier sworn oath

Text Oath One for All Seasons- and I hope in any of its changes one thing remains:"... BE FAITHFUL TO YOUR PEOPLE ...", maybe I'm wrong as a result of my dementia ...

[Vladimir K.Z.]

But how to decide for the people if the opinion of the people is divided?

[Name]

Quote: Vladimir K.Z.

But how to decide for the people if the opinion of the people is divided?

Everyone who took I swear to the people!

[Corsair]

Quote: domokl

Soldier sworn oath

This is when the LAW and the CONSTITUTION reign in the country ...
By the way, according to the constitution of Ukraine, it is forbidden to use the armed forces inside the country to suppress unrest.
Martial law has not been introduced, although it is stated that “the state has become aware of the invasion.” The state of emergency has not been introduced, a pitiful likeness of WHO has been declared, but in reality a military operation ...

Everything happening is sewn with rotten white-dirty threads, starting with the events of the Maidan.

Remember the refusal of group "Alpha" to storm the building of the government of the Russian Federation ... How to interpret this fact?
It can be done in different ways, but one cannot be taken away from the officers - "Alfovtsev", they showed a principled position ...

[AleksPol]

They lie (the military) that moved from the border. Kiev yells about a military threat from Russia and withdraws troops to the place of deployment. Bullshit.

[Revolver]

Quote: vjatsergey

Well, it means that not all military men are at war with the people, but this is already good.

The problem is in the so-called "national guard", which was joined by volunteers from the Pravoseki and other maydanuts. Here they are frostbitten all over their heads and are thirsty for the blood of the fish. And who they get under the shots, they will not disassemble.

[AVIATOR36662]

He wants only the top and scumbags, right-wingers, the army will remain with the people.

[W1950]

What could be an ultimatum when, and so it is clear, the governor will throw.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: W1950

What could be an ultimatum when, and so it is clear, the governor will throw.

Like Nelya Shtepa! When she got the point, as it were, with the people, but how did she get to the metropolis, "they have Flies there, which pierce the armor of tanks! Everywhere pogroms and marauders!" Stsuka!

[Mihail177]

It’s good that they stopped returning weapons to the junta even from Crimea. And it’s somehow strange to supply the junta with weapons when they turn off the water to Crimea and strangle the SE.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Michael177

from the Crimea they stopped returning the weapons to the junta.

It’s really a bad situation with these weapons! For what they started to give them away? Nobody demanded them from us, at least on public channels. If even our aircraft didn’t need them, as combat units, they could drag them to ranges shelling. This always adds experience to l / s. And then remelting it on new equipment. Yes, digging into the border with the continental part, turning it into bunkers, is already a matter!
And now, as we see, in the war against the civilian population, our population (!) Is a powerful argument!

[Ruswolf]

Dmitry!
Already wrote. If the weapon remained, it would be a war trophy. And the trophy goes only to military operations. We had a policy of voluntary disconnection and accession.
Another thing is that there, besides equipment, a lot of ammunition. The technique does not drive. but it can shoot. So it was necessary to overtake on the territory of SE. And now they would have disposed of it themselves.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Ruswolf

So it was necessary to overtake on the territory of SE.

Can you imagine this haul? A column of Russian equipment (on any Russian!) Is moving, to arm the separatists with heavy equipment! Can you imagine a screeching? It's not a dozen "flies" to throw!
In my opinion, my proposal is much more painless, all the more you can always say (we don’t play with the gentlemen!) That the equipment is motionless, and it’s absurd to repair your own ones, which would then be given back!

[Russ69]

Quote: Ruswolf

So it was necessary to overtake on the territory of SE. And now they would have disposed of it themselves.

At this stage, Russia does not need to do open arms support. You can not give into the hands of evidence, at least some kind of participation.
People need to push administration in other cities and preferably do it in several cities at once, and then the junta will stupidly not have enough strength for everything. They ate at Slavyansk on scrapers, and if it starts in Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev, then there will not be any war and will have to agree ...

[Docent1984]

Yes, this weapon can’t fight. It does not even move around. The move is rather political.

[russianskijbelarus]

Why for "carrying out anti-terrorist operation" howitzers and hail ...?

[Ulairy]

To kill as many "terrorists" as possible, with the least loss of equipment ... The howitzer and the SZO are firing along a hinged trajectory from a closed position, right? Therefore, they are ideal for destroying infrastructure with residents recognized as terrorists! A priori, the Kiev ubls..ki recorded their own people as "terrorists", who are tired of this "shadow theater" - workers, mothers with strollers, students ... and, of course, the people's militia. If this technique starts firing, the situation will be unpredictable even for America itself.

[Sergg]

It's time to create your own authorities! The old authorities are obese and betrayed their people, they must be put out.

[Ruswolf]

Sergg
It's time to create your own authorities! The old authorities are obese and betrayed their people, they must be put out.

Sergey! Greetings!
Not only create!
And hold a referendum. and urgently! To approve a new government - popular! And it will decide on non-military status, which would prohibit the presence in the SE of any Armed Forces. And the control was entrusted to the self-defense forces. That would be right! And there would be a justification for the detention of all those with weapons in their hands, a temporary withdrawal of military equipment and weapons until the end of the conflict!

[siberko]

actually, if I’m not mistaken, the army is necessary to protect my country from external threats .... but not against my people, so what kind of H.E.R.A ???

[Vladimir K.Z.]

So, perhaps, they are pulling together an army from an external threat? Although hoping for the decency of the new authorities and their loyal command is unreasonable. But you can’t provoke an army, that is what the junta hopes for. Therefore, most likely, there are so many Brownian movements.

[KOH]

When they started to return the weapon, I immediately thought in vain !!! The same weapon would be turned against us, and it happened, in my opinion, everything is thoughtless like that ...

[Siberian 1975]

I wonder if Kiev really thinks that the army will open fire on its own people? Mercenaries, zapadentsy and maydanutye can, but the army is unlikely. Rather, the army will begin to go over to the side of the rebels, especially if it sees how mercenaries from abroad begin to kill their citizens. I sincerely hope that the army of Ukraine will have people worthy of the title of "soldier".

[KOH]

They will work there as provocateurs, so that only between the army and defense the mess would begin ...

[andj61]

I hope so too. But the army will block and cordon off, and carry out the cleansing of the Galicians.

[Vladimir K.Z.]

If the army gets involved in a conflict, it will inevitably split into "ours" and "not ours."

[Berkut-UA]

Quote: russkijbelarus

Why for "carrying out anti-terrorist operation" howitzers and hail ...?

Yes, because for the junta - people in the east of the country -.
One of the rulers even said - now we need to lie and agree with this cattle and then, we will kill everyone.
Julia also expressed that it is necessary to destroy everyone in the Crimea and in the east, although they all know at whose expense they live.

This is the grief of civil wars, when part of the population is zombified to kill another part of their own people.
And for western and central Ukraine - everyone who speaks mov is Aryan, and whoever speaks the language cannot be an equal citizen.

[Berkut-UA]

Quote: Sergg

It's time to create your own authorities! The old authorities are obese and betrayed their people, they must be put out.

First of all, we must arm ourselves.
Get MANPADS - for protection against aircraft and turntables
Get RPGs to defend against tanks.

If you stop a couple of cars of the "Right Sector" from the RPG, no one else will climb

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Sirocco

I’ve found a fresh one,

Stop embedding this video from Syria! Tired of it already, you yourself can’t distinguish what’s true, that bullshit.

[Sirocco]

Sorry, Sasha, to blame.

[andj61]

That's what is missing from ours - so these are weapons, at least RPGs. In Somalia, Americans washed, knocking down two turntables from RPG-7. After that, they made a film, how cool they are - the fall of a black hawk. Although in real life they got rid of and hastily evacuated.

[Vladimir K.Z.]

Is it necessary to be the first to start a war with the army?

[Afinogen]

Quote: Berkut-UA

First of all, we must arm ourselves.
Get MANPADS - for protection against aircraft and turntables
Get RPGs to defend against tanks.

If you stop a couple of cars of the "Right Sector" from the RPG, no one else will climb

Correctly. I don’t understand, there was a report like in SE
picketed military depots so that weapons would not be taken out. They also said that they were the largest in Ukraine. So is it difficult to organize a raid? There probably are MANPADS, PTRSs, RPGs and other weapons needed in the fight.

[Sinara70]

Of course, there is nothing to expect pity from Bandera ...
It is necessary to take control of military warehouses and arm to repulse the "Right Sector" ...
If they climb up, they will get it in full ..... "lethal outcome" for both the equipment and all those who started shooting at the people .....

[Sinara70]

Of course, there is nothing to expect pity from Bandera ...
It is necessary to take control of military warehouses and arm to repulse the "Right Sector" ...
If they climb up, they will get it in full ..... "lethal outcome" for both the equipment and all those who started shooting at the people .....

[Ruswolf]

Afinogen
Correctly. I don’t understand, there was a report like in SE
picketed military depots so that weapons would not be taken out. They also said that they were the largest in Ukraine. So is it difficult to organize a raid? There probably are MANPADS, PTRSs, RPGs and other weapons needed in the fight.

Until the people's deputies in the SE will not adopt a law on the withdrawal of weapons, and this is possible only after the procedure - a referendum. Any "raid", no matter how motivated, will be regarded in Europe and America as confirmation of Turchinov's words and the terrorist nature of the development of events in the SE. That is, it will be an excuse for his actions. Unlike Yaycek and others, he is officially in power. Since there is no president, he rules like I.O.

[Afinogen]

Quote: Ruswolf

Any "raid", no matter how motivated, will be regarded in Europe and America as confirmation of Turchinov's words and the terrorist nature of the development of events in the SE.

Why look at the fact that this is a confirmation of Turchinov’s words. First of all, what is Turchinov? Secondly, banderlogs torn all the warehouses in the west and do not think anyone will say what. Thirdly, in my opinion it’s stupid to think who will think what and say when they will press you with tanks or shoot from helicopters.

[Ruswolf]

Afinogen
Why look at the fact that this is a confirmation of Turchinov’s words. First of all, what is Turchinov? Secondly, banderlogs torn all the warehouses in the west and do not think anyone will say what.

Now no one is looking at what is happening in the West, except for Russia. There everyone and everything, or almost everything suits!
Why Egg Scent has become little visible! He is outlawed. But Turchinov - no matter why there is no Yanukovych (he ran away, expelled, hanged himself, deposed .....) - since he is not in the president’s chair, he officially performs the duties of the president. So it is officially recognized. He can, as he does, present the fact that the president is absent from a different angle. That in view of his (president's) absence, supposedly forces have appeared that, taking advantage of the chaos in the country, want to seize power - that is, terrorism. Which in turn is condemned by the international community on a legislative basis.
IMHO
Therefore, I am not against harsh measures against Banderlog and their minions. I am not against the fact that it is necessary to arm (Even Lenin said "Every revolution is only worth something if it knows how to defend itself") I am saying that the armament of self-defense units should not look like the seizure of state property - weapons - for the purpose of armed struggle against "power". The power that the EU and the US recognize.

[I read the news]

How is this no president? President in Rostov.

If, dear Ruswolf, a colleague kicks you from the desktop into the courtyard (to smoke, for example), does this mean that the workplace is not saved for you?

[Ruswolf]

I read the news
How is this no president? President in Rostov.

Read more carefully!
When there is no president, not because he is in water closet, but because he is not fulfilling his duties.
Or do you think that if you are going on vacation (for example) who should not do your work?

[Vladimir K.Z.]

So the junta offers everyone not convicted from 18 to 50 automatic weapons. Must take!

[I read the news]

So where do they offer it? Something was not received weapon offers. Only live on campsites in tents.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Berkut-UA

If you stop a couple of cars of the "Right Sector" from the RPG, no one else will climb

I agree! I think there are people here besides me who saw APCs, BMPs after grenades from RPG-7 hit them, or God forbid from LNG-9! Not from the outside! Inside! Hair on the walls, bloody porridge ... ..After such a picture, seasoned soldiers do not want to get into the equipment, and all sorts of homo-right-secs there will run around it in a wide arc !!!
For these freaks, war is still free airsoft!
It's time to sober up!

[Arh]

Turn around and march on a lion to the ground

[Vladimir K.Z.]

Turn around and march on a lion to the ground
That is true. Lair of extremists - separatists in Kiev and Lviv!

[genabukin]

I don't understand what event is considered a completed task in the civil war? drive in an APC or BMD around the city? get on the point? or bring the command the ear of a "separatist"?

[Magadan]

Here I am about the same!
Therefore, oddly enough, but civilians should "fight"! Mass demonstrations, blocking of military units, protests, strikes, etc.!
But the militia must use weapons against the lawless people, the SBU organized crime groups and the American wild geese. Then the West will shut up about "armed terrorists hiding behind civilians."
And then the parallels with Chechnya have already gone. In that war, then the heads were cut to the soldiers, the houses were blown up, the hostages were taken, Dagestan was attacked, so the Army fought. And here the Ukrainian Army has NO such a situation. There is a junta and there are bandits who now give orders to soldiers to kill those who do not want to ride under moronic chants and do not consider Bandera heroes.
It is in this vein that the militia should work.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: genabukin

I don’t understand what event is considered to be a completed task in the civil war?

Well, probably, as always, taking control of a settlement or a certain territory ....

[genabukin]

control: it’s likely that the armored personnel carrier would go only to the green light, and the pensioner would come for retirement at 16:00 and not at 16:30, or maybe he could take a receipt from every civilian that the president integrated his personal housing in the EU

[siberalt]

There is no information about the actions of the authorities in the three rebel regions. Solid partisanism. Where are the leaders? Can anyone have information?

[VadimSt]

The authorities, officials, and the Soviets, despite the fact that in our country they mostly represent the Party of Regions, have taken a wait-and-see attitude. Su ... The process of figuring out "hu out of hu" is underway ...

[ya.seliwerstov2013]

Quote: Nagan

]
The problem is in the so-called "national guard", which was joined by volunteers from the Pravosek and other maydanuts.

And they go to the cries of freaks,
Ready in battle heroically fall
For the ideals of ghostly freedom
Scum gaining power.

[pink]

It's time to create your own power and army in these territories.

[Ruswolf]

Western policy! Whoever first goes to power is right.
Now, as in Kiev, people began to lag behind the Junta. War is a war, but one must not forget that political movements are also necessary. Otherwise, the actions of the people will be considered how a simple rebellion and the actions of Turchinov will be justified. And his policy (US policy), and nothing happens, 100-200 people rebelled, there are no prerequisites for the introduction of peacekeepers, there are no military operations either.
There is a liquidation of a handful of bandits.
Those who now lead on behalf of the people need to be legalized. By referendum. He will receive from the people not just trust, but power. And then everything will go in a different direction!
Even let Yanukovych attract (like a flag)! Let him be called exiled government! But this will already be a political unit, not rally wishes.

[Gagarin]

This power exists legally - Eunukhovich.
But he is not with his people now.

Quote: rosa

It's time to create your own power and army in these territories.

[AleksPol]

In the military unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located in the urban-type village of Guards of the Dnipropetrovsk region, a riot erupts.

According to reports, members of the separate 25th Airborne Brigade of Ukraine, who were forcibly mobilized for ten days, refuse to sign a contract to continue service.

The message contains information from the account of the “Defend Dnepropetrovsk!” Group on the VKontakte social network: “The familiar sergeant called, who was mobilized for 10 days (mobilization for 10 days was indicated on the agenda). Now in terms of rebellion and chaos. They are forcibly transferred to contract service. ... I asked to bring the information to the press as much as possible, since really terrible things can start in the part, the situation is tense to the limit. ”

Little Russia

http://novorossia.su/node/375

People are seeing

[Sharikov]

It seems to me that the point of no return has already been passed and the junta can do nothing with the east. Even a sea of ​​blood will only worsen the situation of the current authorities.
Yanukovych was right when he said that if the miners get up, they will sweep away everything.

[Little Muck]

So far we have seen only one bus with miners, and the junta is gathering its goblins. What do you need to spill blood? Or how do I work?
It is the word "if" that strengthens the Banderlog and gives them hope for victory (although in vain, they do not understand). Why bring to white heat? Didn't you get hot after 23 years of non-staleness?
Everyone is waiting for Russia, Putin. Is it possible that Ukraine has completely impoverished spiritually and is incapable of giving out the leader?
We can’t help openly yet, but you, too, are your relatives. Talk to soldiers, officers, police. Raise the people. This is salvation.

[perm23]

As always, the military transfers all responsibility to an order. Like fascists. We that executed the order and all. Damn after all crush the men there and we are silent. Russia would take and say. All or no war or we enter. They would have stopped at once, and to talk to the bandits to no avail. And the officers will lead the soldiers for the sake of their apartments and salaries. That's the worst thing. And we were blown away. We are all afraid of sanctions. Damn so much money was killed helping Ukraine (gas discounts). It would be better in Russia for this money settled life

[I read the news]

Well nobody wants to take to myself a responsibility? If the general could not and the colonel could not, then why should the major or lieutenant be responsible?

They often take it upon themselves, since they have honor and conscience. But explain to me WHAT is this happening?

[dmitriygorshkov]

Hooray! Already something !!!
Earlier, radio operators were sent to the rear of the enemy, now the question of sending journalists has become an acute question.
Sorry for cynicism, but the West, brought up in Hollywood, will not appreciate this picture. It will only play into the hands of banderlogs, as an illustration of the fact that there are only marginalized people there (in Yu.V.).
Although of course the General of Justice is serious! God grant!

[Leshka]

a little more and there will be a massacre

[Ross]

Quote: AVIATOR36662

The howitzers will not shoot at people! And moving is not a crime. An order to move is not at all like an order to shoot. The situation is not easy, but you don’t need to indulge in language. And the actions of the guys from the Army of the Southeast and all the people of Donetsk Areas beyond praise! Suvorov’s words about Russians will be appropriate here!

Already there was information that on the movements and marches of the Ukrainian Army in March, many soldiers themselves poured sand into the tanks. That's why technology broke. Soldiers do not want to fight with the people.