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"War Turchinov." Ucraine is over

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"War Turchinov." Ucraine is over



Yegor Kholmogorov about why the Ukrainian army will suffer defeat in the east of the country and what it will lead to

Now I will explain to you in broken English why “Turchinov's War” is the last act in the drama of the division of Ukraine. At the same time, with the help of the army, Turchinov’s decision to crush the insurgent Novorossia makes an impression история this state ended with acceptable image losses for Kiev, which not only dropped the state, but honestly lost it in the civil war.

The use of an army with heavy weapons inside the country finally translates the participants of the “Russian Spring” from the category of “protesters” or “terrorists” into the category of rebels. The well-defined and understandable status of persons in respect of whom no laws are in force and who are not related to the regime by any conventions. Let me remind you that lately everywhere, except Syria, the rebels actions ended in complete success.

At the same time, the use of the army by Turchinov takes the situation out of the context of internal affairs. We are already talking about the civil war.

In this case, rebels carry out secession, which is also an understandable format for the Western observer. The situation is configured so that the sympathies of the entire South US, which is following the newswill be entirely on the rebels side. The aerobatics would be the adoption of the name “Ukrainian Confederation” by the rebellious Southeast.

In this regard, I remind you that in Odessa, a very simple and understandable flag of Novorossia was developed a long time ago, which will produce a real psychological explosion in the West and will be very nice here (a combination of red and adress flags, the traditional Russian tricolor).

The funny thing is, on the side of rebels, there will be a beautiful federalist term, while their opponents share only the unsympathetic unitarian (I suggest even simpler - “uniates”).

Since Turchinov uses an absolutely demoralized and inefficient army, the direct contact of which with the enemy, in fact, will be impossible, since it will immediately begin to decompose and go over to the side of the enemy.

The only sensible way to use the Turchinov army is remote strikes. That is, the bombing, the use of the MLRS and artillery. That is, what will immediately bring this war to an acceptable conventional framework and gives Russia the widest arsenal of means of influence - from direct aid and supplies. weapons before the introduction of the No-Fly Zone (I do not consider the case of direct troop deployment - this is another game).

The opening of direct hostilities legalizes the delivery of heavy weapons to the rebels, which in almost all cases cannot be distinguished from trophies taken from the Ukrainian army. The opening of military warehouses, without bringing any benefit to Ukraine, will provide an opportunity to arm the Russian Spring almost without exception.

In a short time, the volunteer army of the South of Russia, backed by the support of the local population, will be perfectly armed, disciplined and with a great military spirit, against the decaying pseudo-professional army of Kiev.

In other words, the army of Turchynov will be promoted to positions only in order to suffer defeat. Since all combat-ready military units of Ukraine are advanced to the East, their defeat will mean the termination of the existence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as such. The winner will get everything, and his appetites will be limited only by his own prudence (it makes no sense to invade the hostile Bandera West) and US diplomatic pressure, whose actions, however, in recent months have rather stimulated the split of Ukraine than it has been braked.

The transition to the format of civil war means the ability to solve a number of problems that were difficult to solve in the framework of political confrontation. The war will completely exclude from the equation the factor of the “Right Sector”, which is bandit formations, suitable only for violent dispersal of peaceful Russian demonstrations. Those regions - Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, where the peaceful victory of the Russian Spring was impossible precisely because of the Right Sector factor and Kolomoisky, where the peaceful Russian protest was suppressed by violence, will now quietly enter the Russian uprising orbit, being supported by armed the power of the rebels.

This is fundamentally important for us geopolitically, since the two main tasks already facing Russia are getting the rail and road to the Crimea - Kharkov-Dnepropetrovsk-Melitopol-Simferopol, without which Crimea remains an enclave for several years. This is Odessa, which is important both by itself and in connection with the corridor to Transnistria, the support of which is a matter of national honor for Russia. A purely political revolution in this direction would have been suppressed by the SBU and the Right Sector, but the export of the military revolution from Donbass would be supported by the local population (the author is quite well informed about the sentiments, for example, in Dnepropetrovsk, where they hide absolutely pro-Russian sentiment).

In other words, having unleashed the first war, the Kiev junta makes it possible to cut all those Gordian knots that would otherwise choke New Russia for several more months.

I am not discussing the scenario of direct entry of Russian troops now. Such a scenario is possible at any stage in the development of events, and it would seriously simplify the picture. It would be optimal if it were not for the fears of additional international sanctions against Russia, which should be minimized. But the fear of such a scenario is unacceptable. In a critical situation, for example, in the case of massive use against the insurgent Russian American mercenaries, Russia's intervention must be tough, in spite of any threats from the West.

I also now do not consider in detail the question of the future device of New Russia. Obviously, having signed the order on the use of troops, Turchinov completely put an end to the scenario of federalization of Ukraine. No single Ukraine is now impossible. Unitary Ukraine will exist from Kiev to Lviv, and then if it can keep in its composition the glamorous metropolis of Kiev, which, left without a fat Eastern benefit, will quickly start to miss the Square.

The fork lies only between the creation of a sovereign Eastern Ukrainian state - the "Ukrainian Confederation" and the direct entry into Russia.

Much says in favor of independence. Smaller foreign policy costs. The opportunity to make a complete political reload in the country that survived the revolution of the Russian Spring and create a better model of statehood there than in the Russian Federation itself. But it’s not too flattering about “Ukraine without oligarchs”. Having provided at least neutrality in the critical early days of the uprising, Akhmetov will remain the strongest player. Another advantage could be the refusal to import many negative aspects of the life of the modern Russian Federation. For example - the preservation of a tough Ukrainian migration policy.

But all the delights of independence outweigh one “but” - for the largest Donetsk-Pridneprovsk industrial region in Eastern Europe, a suspended legal status is impossible. In order to fully work and develop, it must be built into a large economic system, the system of Russia.

The residents of Novorossia themselves are well aware of this, so in closed polls where only residents of the regions can participate, the choice is only between Russia (there are more 50% for it, even in the most controversial regions) and Ukraine, and only a small minority for independence.

Therefore, Russia with a sound mind and full clarity of goals should prepare for the reintegration of southern Russia into our state. Moreover, the normal development of the country while maintaining the amputation of the South of Russia is simply impossible.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 14 2014 21: 15
    +45
    I would still be less optimistic ... before dying, this vlada is capable of dragging many with her to the grave. I feel sorry for ordinary people, not these "weirdos" with the letter "M"
    1. jjj
      jjj April 14 2014 21: 17
      +20
      Here he is in the photo in some Dukhanian cap
      1. nika407
        nika407 April 14 2014 21: 24
        +12
        Quote: jjj
        Here he is in the photo in some Dukhanian cap

        These Baptists Can't Understand
        happiness and love carries a bastard ...
        1. major071
          major071 April 14 2014 21: 32
          +91
          I have long been tormented by one question: Here I look at Turchinov, someone he reminds me of, well, more than familiar. Then I realized: One to one!
          1. kirieeleyson
            kirieeleyson April 14 2014 22: 01
            +12
            those. somewhere the second is hiding, if this forehead is smeared with brilliant green))))?
            In general, it is significant when the characters of famous cartoons found themselves in the midst of some sort of conflict. It ended very destructively (in the literal sense) for the characters. I hope you gave a new impetus to this role Turchinov.
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            2. Stalker
              Stalker April 14 2014 22: 35
              +5
              those. somewhere the second is hiding, if this forehead is smeared with brilliant green))))?

              So here he is handsome !!! laughing
              1. Ataman
                Ataman April 15 2014 00: 06
                +15
                Yes, both of them!
                1. Ataman
                  Ataman April 15 2014 00: 13
                  +4
                  My heart feels, we are on the eve of a grand schucher!
                  1. sds555
                    sds555 April 15 2014 00: 35
                    +11
                    ............................ laughing
                    1. delfinN
                      delfinN April 15 2014 05: 47
                      +4
                      Ukrainian tank caught in the field
                  2. Combitor
                    Combitor April 15 2014 02: 06
                    +2
                    Quote: Ataman
                    My heart feels, we are on the eve of a grand schucher!

                    If you dream of this ...: "Russian President Yavlinsky postponed the resolution of the Crimean issue for 500 days ..." This is something from the category "HellRaisers" ...
                    Wife told her dream, so she threw a slipper at me: She’s from me, Prikhodko, on my father’s surname.

                    This I mean that in the morning the most important channel that we turn on at 6 am (we are going to work) is Vesti 24. My heart hurts for Ukraine.
          2. Biolant
            Biolant April 14 2014 22: 40
            +3
            And the second egg))) only in glasses)))
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          4. nelav1951
            nelav1951 April 14 2014 22: 48
            0
            Is this a site of humor?
            1. Gloria45
              Gloria45 April 15 2014 00: 01
              +1
              April 14, 2014, 23:23 (Moscow time) | Politics | Kommersant-Online
              The United States recognized that the head of the CIA visited Kiev
              He was engaged in “expansion of cooperation” there.



              © Kommersant-Online
              Washington confirmed that CIA Director John Brennan visited Kiev last weekend. According to Jay Carney, spokesman for the White House, the visit was associated with "expanding security cooperation." Earlier, Viktor Yanukovych said that the decision on a military operation against participants in anti-Maidan rallies was made by the Kiev authorities precisely after consultations with the head of the CIA.

              White House spokesman Jay Carney on Monday evening confirmed Russian media reports that Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) John Brennan had visited Kiev last weekend. According to Mr. Carney, the visit to Ukraine was part of John Brennan's European tour. Allegations that the head of the CIA was coordinating the special operation of the Ukrainian security forces against supporters of federalization in the south-east of the country, Jay Carney called "absurd."

              On Sunday, Viktor Yanukovych, who considers himself the legitimate president of Ukraine, said that the decision to conduct a military operation against participants in anti-Maidan rallies was made by the new Kiev authorities precisely after consultations with the head of the CIA. “Brennan actually authorized the use of weapons and provoked bloodshed in Ukraine,” Viktor Yanukovych said.

              Clarifications on reports of a CIA director’s visit to Kiev on Monday morning were requested by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. He emphasized that in Russia they are trying to understand, "what is it that our Western colleagues are actually doing?" “We want, in particular, to understand what the messages about the urgent visit to Kiev of the CIA director, Mr. Brennan, mean. So far, we have not been given these explanations, ”said the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry.
            2. IGS
              IGS April 15 2014 00: 34
              +6
              Is this a site of humor?
              Satyrs. Mainly political, there is no shortage of stories, thanks to the "ancient ukram", "maydauns" and so forth.
            3. mamont5
              mamont5 April 15 2014 05: 23
              0
              Quote: nelav1951
              Is this a site of humor?


              Yes, and today the Ukrainian clowns are on tour. At the end of the performance, they will be buried in an encore.
          5. ty60
            ty60 April 14 2014 23: 51
            +4
            the usual overeating. And lives in the usual process of sucking. From the blood people, from the friends of the dough monkey.
          6. mamont5
            mamont5 April 15 2014 05: 21
            0
            Quote: major071
            Here I look at Turchinov, someone he reminds me of, well, more than familiar


            And the brick reminds me of asking for his face.
        2. IGS
          IGS April 15 2014 00: 50
          +1
          "A seven-footed viper was sitting behind a dustbin ..."
          "Twelve Chairs" I. Ilf E. Petrov
        3. 76rtbr
          76rtbr April 15 2014 01: 52
          +1
          there is a feeling that he will die here, it’s hard to say to him even, he was exhausted !!!
        4. Keeper
          Keeper April 15 2014 04: 24
          +2
          So Baptists are not accepted into the army because of their faith!
          And that means that he does not have the right to lead the country, much less take decisions on the introduction of troops, because this contradicts his religious views!
          He is not only a traitor to his people, but also a traitor to his Faith!
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 14 2014 21: 30
        +12
        Quote: jjj
        Here he is in the photo in some Dukhanian cap

        it’s him getting used to the zonovskiy outfit ...
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      3. Monk
        Monk April 14 2014 21: 31
        +10
        Hitler was at least a corporal, but this one was an ordinary hoopoe.
        1. f.lourens
          f.lourens April 14 2014 21: 50
          +2
          No need to compare it with Hitler, although he was the villain of which to look for it, he raised Germany out of ruin in a short time ... although at what cost hi
          1. Nikoha.2010
            Nikoha.2010 April 14 2014 22: 11
            +9
            Quote: f.lourens
            No need to compare it with Hitler, although he was the villain of which to look for it, he raised Germany out of ruin in a short time ... although at what cost hi

            Dmitry, did you think you wrote? And then where did Germany return? Raised? I do not minus, but think about what you write! Hitler is not a villain, he is a fiend of HELL!
            1. f.lourens
              f.lourens April 14 2014 22: 25
              +4
              I think that I am writing and I’m not justifying Hitler there were other words that their censorship didn’t miss. Thank you for criticism hi
              1. Nikoha.2010
                Nikoha.2010 April 14 2014 23: 15
                +3
                Dmitry, I understand what you mean! And how the Germans perceived him (the Führer) actions and politics, but having raised the German economy in the 30s and unleashed the 2nd world economy, he killed millions of lives !!! And moreover, Europe then O.B.O.S.P.A.L.A. And now they are trying to powder our brains using Ukraine ... Not a ride! Russia is not the same, and thank God!
            2. Predator
              Predator April 14 2014 22: 50
              +1
              With respect to the Germans, there was a very good policy, and there is no need to argue.
            3. michelle
              michelle April 15 2014 04: 03
              0
              The whole idea of ​​Nazism initially grew, gained strength and developed in the United States. The main ideologist of Nazism was none other than Henry Ford. He supported fascism until his last day. A. Hitler even mentioned him in his book ,, My Struggle ,,. America almost until the last day of World War II supplied Germany with fuel, and after that, many fascists found refuge there ...
              1. ipshum
                ipshum April 15 2014 05: 43
                +1
                Hitler was a framer flirted, with the players sitting across the ocean and in Switzerland. And resources to Germany were supplied by players during the war. Business.
        2. tokin1959
          tokin1959 April 14 2014 22: 19
          +13
          Hitler was a villain on a global scale, and did not send troops against the Germans, but rather tried to unite.
          and the subhuman of the Turchins is more like Pol Pot - he destroyed almost half of the population of Cambodia, because in his opinion they were wrong.
          1. ty60
            ty60 April 14 2014 23: 55
            +1
            the question is, what does he eat for breakfast? Is it the same as Pol Pot?
            1. IGS
              IGS April 15 2014 00: 40
              0
              Worse than Pol Pot ... He ate like a "preacher" the souls of people, and now impunity has greatly increased his appetites. Only he forgot a little detail ... his soul.
              1. DimychDV
                DimychDV April 15 2014 05: 00
                +1
                And you did not forget that we eat for breakfast we are opponents of the West? By definition, Western Ukrainian babies. They are brought to us by the Russian (Czech, Polish, Jewish) mafia from Lviv ... Twitter will soon post the certificate of conformity of quality of live-meat products stolen by SBU agents that every activist is provided on this site.
        3. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... April 14 2014 22: 27
          +15
          Commander - Private ...
          The Minister is exclusively on Facebook ...

          Nothing but healthy bewilderment these people should not cause ... But they are tired! Got it ...
          1. ty60
            ty60 April 14 2014 23: 58
            +1
            Yesterday the Titanic steamer sank in the Atlantic, bumping into an iceberg ... Everywhere they are Icebergs, Icebergs, Eisenbergs and other Avakyan!
          2. jktu66
            jktu66 April 15 2014 00: 37
            0
            These half-asses are all virtual. Shot a type, but 4 more lives left in a network computer toy!
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        5. Stalker
          Stalker April 14 2014 22: 38
          +6
          Hitler was at least a corporal, but this one was an ordinary hoopoe.

          And this is about Hitler and the "pravosekov" ....
          1. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... April 15 2014 00: 31
            +10
            The background is just a little different ... and so - there are no differences!
      4. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 April 14 2014 21: 34
        +5
        so there’s a war, a split in Ukraine, and not some unitary Ukraine. Dumb-headed Bandera on which the cap sits like on re.
      5. nikcris
        nikcris April 14 2014 21: 37
        +3
        Hitler Hitler - does not scribble stripes. Private Maidan - feathers to his ass.
      6. vezunchik
        vezunchik April 14 2014 21: 38
        +2
        a bandit, the same as many of our bandits.
      7. from punk
        from punk April 14 2014 21: 42
        +7
        Quote: jjj
        Here he is in the photo in some Dukhanian cap

        so there’s a dushar. and I have a feeling that I don’t have time to make a cap with a tablet. I don’t have time to lower the belt on the eggs either. They fix it in a wooden hebeshka
      8. f.lourens
        f.lourens April 14 2014 21: 47
        +4
        So he is the spirit, although there is probably no Baptist smell. repeat
      9. 120352
        120352 April 14 2014 23: 16
        +1
        JJJ
        This he inherited from Dzhokhar Dudaev. He wants to go on his way. But short-lived will be this way.
    2. svetlomor
      svetlomor April 14 2014 21: 30
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      ..before dying, this Vlad is able to drag many into the grave with him.

      He is a pastor and is convinced that he will immediately go to heaven, and I wonder how he has not yet announced a crusade against the infidels.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 14 2014 21: 48
        +3
        Quote: svetlomor
        He is a pastor and is convinced that he will immediately go to heaven, and I wonder how he has not yet announced a crusade against the infidels.
        But who said, it’s just not the time, he will still organize HIS ... Campaign against the Orthodox ...
      2. Baloo
        Baloo April 14 2014 21: 57
        +18
        He will not be allowed into heaven and into hell, too, they are afraid that he will arrange a coup.
        1. Nekarmadlen
          Nekarmadlen April 14 2014 22: 38
          +9
          Dear Balu, Bismarck never said this phrase. At the very least, neither German sources, nor the translation of Bismarck’s memoirs, nor the officially published diplomatic correspondence of German diplomats confirm the affiliation of what Bismarck said.
          1. Predator
            Predator April 14 2014 23: 00
            +5
            It was concocted in Albion, there isn’t such a thing for Bismarck!
          2. Curculum
            Curculum April 15 2014 03: 22
            +1
            Quote: Nekarmadlen
            Bismarck never said that phrase.

            + I am not a biographer of Bismarck, but I suspect (not unreasonably) of his ignorance of what "Ukraine" is - he was an "iron chancellor" in 1871-1890, but not stupid, unlike modern ones, not to mention "Svidomo Ukrainians" ".
            Most likely, a similar phrase was spoken by the Austrian deputy E. Pernerstorfer in 1916: "Rußlands Macht kann nur dann gebrochen und von Europa abgewendet werden, wenn ein ukrainischer Staat entstehen sollte, der das stärkste Bollwerk" Europas ger The power of Russia can be broken, and Europe can avoid the threat only when a Ukrainian state arises, which will become the strongest bastion of Europe against Russian barbarism "). Please pay attention to the spelling of the first letter in the word "ukrainischer" - it is small. And then - the "velyky ukram" needed to show their "historical significance", so they spread any heresy ...
    3. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 April 14 2014 21: 36
      +1
      This is the first swallow. Let's see what next.
      1. major071
        major071 April 14 2014 22: 04
        +19
        Hello, acting uncle pastor
        Your Church - Igeeva!
        Cooked, su.ka. the passport?
        Do you feel? All now x ...!
        Where did you buy a house for yourself
        On paper from Obama
        Listen, tv.r and just a fagot
        Your ads are over
        You can twitch cattle
        Only from heaven: "I will repay!"
        God said: to the guillotine
        Tymoshenko - to Magadan!
        1. Samaritan
          Samaritan April 14 2014 22: 19
          +4
          Here are the lines from the foreign press, Poland: If the Ukrainian revolution leads to the creation of a stable state that can ensure the welfare of not only a handful of oligarchs, but also the majority of its citizens, this will once and for all erase Vladimir Putin’s plans to restore the Russian empire. Moreover, Ukrainian success can persuade Belarus, Kazakhstan and other former Soviet republics to revolt against Moscow, and after some time turn out to be a contagious example for the Russians themselves, because now Ukrainians are trying to repeat the success of the Polish transformation.

          Read more: http://inosmi.ru/russia/20140414/219563719.html#ixzz2yszhyDzl
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          1. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx April 14 2014 22: 51
            +6
            well, well ... Blessed is he who believes, for they will be comforted ....
            1. polly
              polly April 14 2014 23: 13
              +4
              The number of blessed goes through the roof ... What a stable state is there. Already, activists on the Maidan are rallying against those whom they put up.
              KIEV, April 14. / ITAR-TASS /. If the current government of Ukraine does not respond to the demands of the people and does not stabilize the economic situation, the country will be overwhelmed by massive protests. This was stated by the protesters on the Independence Square and the Kievites' initiative group "For a Decent Life".
              "Over the past week, life in Ukraine has become unbearable, this is a Holocaust in the 50st century: food prices have doubled, medicines in price have risen by 50%, utility services and gas - by 1119407%, travel in Kiev in minibuses - almost twice", - said one of the activists Irina Bogdanets. "Every day we are warned that the new government will begin to demolish the barricades on the Maidan, asked to disperse to their homes, and such initiatives come from the entourage of the former commandant Stepan Kubiv (now the head of the National Bank). Who would have thought that Will the new government turn out to be a tyrant? Maidan activists are protesting against the new government. We demand to stabilize the situation in the country, otherwise Ukraine will be overwhelmed by mass protests, state employees, pensioners, students will come out, "Bohdanets warned. http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya- panorama / XNUMX
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 April 15 2014 01: 29
                0
                Ah ah! Who would have thought?!
          2. Luga
            Luga April 14 2014 22: 59
            +8
            Quote: Samaritan
            If the Ukrainian revolution leads to the creation of a stable state,

            Wow, the Poles are burning ... If the Americans specifically and rigidly destroy our potential ally, while realizing that the formation of a stable state in Ukraine will inevitably lead to the rapprochement of this state with Russia, then the Poles are still, therefore, held captive by geopolitical illusions ... It is believed that stable Ukraine is possible without Russia.
            Funny.
            1. polly
              polly April 14 2014 23: 25
              +5
              Someone from the junta recently (did not remember the name) said:
              "When a resident of Ukraine demonstrates that he lives much happier than a resident of Crimea, I am sure that the Crimeans will be disappointed ..." So the Poles believe in "Ukrainian success"! wink
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 April 15 2014 01: 32
                0
                And I even suspect who this resident is. And from where he will demonstrate everything.
          3. Vasek
            Vasek April 14 2014 23: 14
            +4
            Quote: Samaritan
            Moreover - Ukrainian success may persuade Belarus, Kazakhstan and other former Soviet republics to revolt against Moscow

            laughing
            Why trifle - Ukrainian Economic Miracle pancake! Miracle fuck!
            wassat
          4. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 April 15 2014 01: 26
            0
            And if not? And if - failure?
          5. izGOI
            izGOI April 15 2014 02: 46
            0
            Galicia to Poland !! Nice will be the transformation !!
        2. Tron
          Tron April 14 2014 22: 51
          +4
          Quote: major071
          Hello, acting uncle pastor
          Your Church - Igeeva!
          1. dimdimich71
            dimdimich71 April 15 2014 03: 38
            0
            They dealt with NPOs, Jehovah was forbidden, it remains for the Baptists to squeeze so that they do not muddy the water!
    4. matross
      matross April 14 2014 23: 03
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      before dying, this vlada is able to drag many with her to the grave. I feel sorry for ordinary people, not these "weirdos" with the letter "M"

      On the scale of Ukraine, taking into account the current dynamics of disintegration, there are few. And basically in simple ones it will be possible to write down ghouls who are now screaming something about "gilyaku"! Therefore, IMHO, of course, it's time to tie up with the obligatory mantras about "sorry"! The townsfolk will sit at home, the activists and honest security officials will take power, but the rest of the Svidomo should not be sorry - the fewer of them remain, the better everyone is!
      PySy: Kholmogorov well done, he’s looking at the root!
    5. 120352
      120352 April 14 2014 23: 12
      +7
      People are certainly sorry! But these fools cannot do anything if whole brigades of the airborne forces are already on the side of the people, and others, having seen this, will also go over. Just because the locals have no reason for patriotism. Nobody wants to die for Turchinov, and the idea of ​​independence for 23 years has exhausted itself so much that it has sunk into a deep minus, so the national idea for Ukraine today is vague and vague. The only thing it can feed on today is the collective unconscious, in which, somewhere in the depths of the convolutions, memories of a quiet life within the Russian Empire probably have been preserved. Ukraine was invented recently, only in the middle of the 19th century, and Ukrainians appeared at the beginning of the twentieth century. In particular, according to the results of the 1908 census in the Poltava province, only 2% of the population were registered as Ukrainians, while the rest, as before, were Little Russians or Russians. And this memory must be restored, even if surgically.
  2. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 14 2014 21: 16
    +30
    Going war on a Russian person is a bad omen! Ask this from the Turks, Germans, Swedes, French, and indeed all of Europe.
    1. Stalevar
      Stalevar April 14 2014 21: 19
      +9
      Kiev needs blood, by all means, blood will untie his hands and close his eyes to much. It will be possible to get Russia out with blood, well, and then it raced again: emergency meetings of the UN Security Council, criticism, propaganda, disputes, investigations. In the meantime, the bustle to get to the elections. And now in Ukraine there is a legitimate authority, please, accept! Only, it seems nothing will work out! The battle hamster will not accept the battle)))
    2. Orik
      Orik April 14 2014 22: 08
      +2
      Quote: Wiruz
      Going war on a Russian person is a bad omen! Ask this from the Turks, Germans, Swedes, French, and indeed all of Europe.

      They are so limited that they are unlikely to understand. I hope they just have no one to implement this plan.
      1. Anper
        Anper April 14 2014 23: 02
        +2
        Quote: Orik
        They are so limited that they are unlikely to understand.

        And, in my opinion, when it comes to their own asses, they even understand very well. Today’s veche on the Maidan, the centurions are indignant at the inaction of the authorities and went to the Verkhovna Rada to demand the adoption of a law that will allow the Maydan hundreds to carry weapons, and also demand that Turchinov issue a decree on the advancement of these hundreds to the South - East. It is dashing and safe!
        1. poplar
          poplar April 14 2014 23: 18
          +10
          All maydaunov and Bandera, dreaming of suicide, but fearful of cowardice, are invited to a familiarization one-time excursion to Donbass.

          Travel will need only one way. The funeral at the expense of the pastor.

          100% result and reckoning in the heavenly thousand guaranteed.

          Come, you will not be disappointed. We have experienced and qualified specialists.

          Group organized excursions receive a discount on burial.
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    3. Samaritan
      Samaritan April 14 2014 23: 01
      +9
      Here I am about the same !!! They go to Russia for a thousand years and rake every hundred years! I'm afraid that the next call will be the last !!!
      1. alexng
        alexng April 14 2014 23: 14
        +1
        And you are not far from the truth. Let it be so! good
  3. Stalevar
    Stalevar April 14 2014 21: 16
    +9
    The only reasonable way Turchinov uses the army is remote strikes. That is, the bombing, the use of MLRS and artillery.
    Well, it’s not for nothing that Saakashvili’s Mr. N.I.
    1. a52333
      a52333 April 14 2014 21: 24
      +21
      He will not, it seems to me, use artillery, much less hail. It is clear that not far, but not downs. Video about the impact of hail will be on the Internet in 10 minutes. And then - let someone try to say a word why the Russian tanks code Kiev.
      Genocide. Hailstroke is not a cat sneezed. If the city - a rack.
      1. Stalevar
        Stalevar April 14 2014 21: 30
        +6
        Mass media and propaganda is a great thing, all that cannot happen there, and what really could not be. In Georgia, the same thing began with the Gradov, only the Russian units and the whole world of the O.H.E.r. Europe and America react to such jokes inadequately.
      2. 311ove
        311ove April 14 2014 21: 38
        +3
        Quote: a52333
        Genocide. Hail is not a cat sneezed
        Yes, uzhzhzhzh ..... it seems they have already begun, for now, though to their own army, today Grad was drowned in the reservoir with 2 people ... 5 tanks, self-propelled guns, an airplane ... I didn’t forget anything? .... fool request There is already nothing to say ....
      3. vezunchik
        vezunchik April 14 2014 21: 40
        +1
        http://youtu.be/5UjxEFXjQhA
        That's what Mossad says
        1. nachfin
          nachfin April 15 2014 01: 34
          0
          2 vezunchik: Actually, he is not from Mossad, but from Nativ - these are, as it were, different structures.
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      4. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson April 14 2014 21: 49
        +4
        Quote: a52333
        And then - let someone try to say a word why the tanks of the Russian Federation code Kiev.

        That's right, using heavy weapons here is likely to be just such an outcome. The second "Georgia" is not needed by anyone, for this one does not need to wait for the implementation of the plan to suppress the region with heavy equipment; For me personally, it is more important to the "Right Sector" in full, so that the lists of members of this organization are preserved. EH, to hang them on all roads after 100 meters on the gallows!
      5. Black
        Black April 14 2014 22: 01
        +2
        Quote: a52333
        Genocide. Hailstroke is not a cat sneezed. If the city - a rack.


        You have a high opinion of staples. Tskhinvali leveled, then what's stopping you? If it’s not Grad ... Nona - it’s also not enough.
        It seems to me - you can expect everything from them.

        And many Saks for Tskhinval hung on the rack?
        1. Vasek
          Vasek April 14 2014 23: 22
          0
          Quote: Chen
          You have a high opinion of staples. Tskhinvali leveled, then what's stopping you? If it’s not Grad ... Nona - it’s also not enough.
          It seems to me - you can expect everything from them.
          And many Saks for Tskhinval hung on the rack?


          then the bear was at the helm.
          Now they want to joke less, that’s why they snot munching - sanctions, penalties ...
      6. tokin1959
        tokin1959 April 14 2014 22: 21
        +1
        Yes, most likely Turchin does not have a reason - since he brought Grad, I would not want to use it - they would have stood in the garages.
      7. infinite silence ...
        infinite silence ... April 14 2014 22: 30
        +8
        They will quickly find witnesses and will otmazyvatsya to the last ...
      8. Biolant
        Biolant April 14 2014 22: 44
        +2
        Saakashvili has already tried ((Or have they decided again to test Russia "weakly"? Then it will be hard for our generals to give the order to stop in Kiev and not go further.
      9. Vasek
        Vasek April 14 2014 23: 18
        +2
        Quote: a52333
        He will not, it seems to me, use artillery, much less hail.

        And then what was the truck doing with the PSU for the City, which they intercepted, doing there?
        1. mamont5
          mamont5 April 15 2014 05: 32
          +1
          Quote: Vasek
          And then what was the truck doing with the PSU for the City, which they intercepted, doing there?


          Perhaps they are expecting that, in response to their operation, ours will send troops and draw up heavy artillery to cover the border.
          I’m looking for some kind of rudiments of reason ...
      10. ty60
        ty60 April 15 2014 00: 14
        0
        Clabs will blaze back, and from their territories we will get
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 14 2014 21: 33
      +9
      Quote: Stalevar
      The only reasonable way Turchinov uses the army is remote strikes. That is, the bombing, the use of MLRS and artillery.

      But there are no military targets for such attacks!
      Banderlogs are currently offered catch partisans with infantry, albeit with armored vehicles, rather than destroy the Donetsk cities with aviation and MLRS.
      And the infantry does not want to fight. probably the right-hand people from the National Guard also don’t want to run under the bullets, it’s not running with truncheons for 200 hryvnia a day. Replenish the ranks of the heavenly hundred "dumb bad".
      1. Stalevar
        Stalevar April 14 2014 21: 46
        +2
        That is why all the fuss around the Southeast is dragging out the time before the election.
      2. dimdimich71
        dimdimich71 April 15 2014 03: 43
        0
        Of course, someone hunting on their knees then crawl
      3. Polevik
        Polevik April 15 2014 09: 16
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        Replenish the ranks of the heavenly hundred "dumb bad".


        Because they understand that a hundred is underground.
    3. Gloria45
      Gloria45 April 14 2014 22: 36
      +2
      Quote: Stalevar
      The only reasonable way Turchinov uses the army is remote strikes. That is, the bombing, the use of MLRS and artillery.
      Well, it’s not for nothing that Saakashvili’s Mr. N.I.

      Yes, not only Saakashvili visited Kiev. And this vulture, executioner, arms dealer
      murderer and Satanist who praises Judah and has a huge influence on
      government of France, Israel since he is a citizen of these countries, a great friend
      Soros
      twice lit up in Kiev.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair April 14 2014 23: 31
        +3
        Quote: gloria45
        Yes, not only Saakashvili visited Kiev. And this vulture, executioner, arms dealer
        murderer and Satanist who praises Judah and has a huge influence on
        government of France, Israel since he is a citizen of these countries, a great friend
        Soros
        twice lit up in Kiev.

        And note, in his address to the gathering, the emisar says: "The people of the Maidan," not the "people of Ukraine," and this is symbolic ...
    4. petrT
      petrT April 14 2014 23: 01
      +2
      I hope he won't climb with a heavy weapon, although the law is not written for fools. Such a feeling that by hook or by hook they want to drag Russia into the conflict! On the other hand, if he drags Russia into the conflict, then they will lose guaranteed the southeast, and to a heap they will also lose central Ukraine The Westerners themselves will hang this provisional government! Now it would be better to hold large-scale exercises near the borders of Ukraine, with the Mig-31 barrage, flights of strategists in the Black Sea and other "polite people". And also the very squeak so that "Old Man" can ride tanks along the Ukrainian borders! I really hope that all the military units of Ukraine would urgently go to look for something near the border with Poland.
    5. ty60
      ty60 April 15 2014 00: 12
      0
      And there will be tanks? -Yes, there will be .How, all four? Be sure to scrap the diesel fuel. And the planes? Also, if the pilot does not get sick. Mishiko will lead, he is experienced
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 14 2014 21: 19
    +8
    strange article. started with one, ended with another topic request something the author was too clever
    1. TEODOR
      TEODOR April 14 2014 21: 30
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      strange article. started with one, ended with another topic request something the author was too clever

      I agree it was still perplexing. Regarding the destruction of the Ukrainian army, I would not speak so loudly. Rather, most soldiers will go over to the side of the people of southeastern Ukraine. And the rest scatter.
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    3. Michael_59
      Michael_59 April 14 2014 21: 40
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      strange article. started with one, ended with another


      I agree. Ambiguous material. Already somehow too "softly lay". And if you deduce the "third-order derivative" from the article, then you can see the Russian benefits in the military version ... That way, even before the Kremlin authorship of the scenario of all events, starting with the Maidan, you can "think of" ...
  5. nikcris
    nikcris April 14 2014 21: 20
    +2
    Rebooting is good. The junta is even better.
    PS All the top - on the side. I want to live with Ukrainians near and forever. Just do not want to be extreme. Extreme in any case - the crop is not the crop, haS according to *****. Delete galleries post?
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 April 14 2014 21: 51
      +1
      Quote: nikcris
      Delete galleries post?

      come on. only hangover will need to be carefully wink
    2. yur
      yur April 14 2014 22: 43
      0
      Quote: nikcris
      drunk. Delete galleries post?

      Quote: andrei332809
      come on. only hangover will need to be carefully
      In, in, otherwise I didn’t drink, and my head went round. laughing
  6. Wellych
    Wellych April 14 2014 21: 20
    +1
    Still grammatical errors to remove from the header.
  7. boozer
    boozer April 14 2014 21: 20
    +8
    Something from Trupchinov’s look was lost, he pressed only for the most part, he already imposed roofing ... laughing
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 14 2014 21: 31
      +7
      Quote: boozer
      Something from Trupchinov’s look was lost, he pressed only for the most part, he already imposed it.

      That is not! This he listened to the report Nalivaychenko !!!
      Ukraine was faced with extremely sharp, hostile activities of foreign intelligence services combined with threats to the territorial unity and security of the country. This was stated by Chairman of the Security Service of Ukraine Valentin Nalyvaichenko, the press service of the SBU.

      Nalyvaichenko stressed that the provocations that take place in the eastern regions have been prepared over the past few years with the participation of foreign intelligence services and with funds stolen from the Ukrainian budget from the same miners in Donbass.

      "In many eastern regions, sabotage groups that have been created over the past years are operating and are no longer hiding. They were created clandestinely, deeply undercover and, in fact, are illegal armed groups that terrorize the civilian population," Nalyvaichenko said.

      "This is our common threat, a threat to our children, our peaceful life. A large-scale anti-terrorist operation has been announced, directed against the terror of the civilian population by the special services of the neighboring country and armed provocateurs. The most dangerous points, in the event of the use of weapons, will be neutralized. The law enforcement officers have enough means and forces." - said the head of the SBU.

      At the same time, he emphasized that any operation is impossible without the understanding by people who live on earth that it is time to move away from the armed rebels: “Do not participate and do not believe the lie that illegal armed groups can improve the life of a simple Lugansk or Donetsk resident. from war to peaceful life ". (Controversy)
      1. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 April 14 2014 22: 27
        +2
        Elena good evening! You see how they, according to Nalyvaichenko, went over to the polemic, honestly, the Kiev authorities do not even have excuses for their own without responsible actions! Already agree to a referendum, and this is the most adequate way out of the circumstances. Nobody wants to shed their own blood, and God forbid that petty provocations do not go into a real civil war.
        1. I read the news
          I read the news April 14 2014 22: 35
          +6
          You don’t understand anything. Nikoha. 2010
          Now the authorities agree to the _All-Ukrainian_ referendum. The CEC is already its own, prepared for the presidential election. And I can now voice the result of the referendum to you. You don’t even have to be any smart for that.
          1. Vasek
            Vasek April 14 2014 23: 32
            +1
            Quote: I readNews
            Now the authorities agree to the _All-Ukrainian_ referendum. The CEC is already its own, prepared for the presidential election. And I can now voice the result of the referendum to you.

            So people demand regional referenda!
            Or what I do not understand?
            1. Egoza
              Egoza April 14 2014 23: 45
              +4
              Quote: Vasek
              So people demand regional referenda!
              Or what I do not understand?

              People demand REGIONAL, and Turchynov wants all-Ukrainian, together with the elections! "To save money." He's lying! Then the elections will turn out to be legitimate! And the new president will cancel the referendum!
          2. ty60
            ty60 April 15 2014 00: 28
            +1
            I completely agree. At first, changes to the Constitution, federalization. Then, elections and referendum after. Only so.
      2. ty60
        ty60 April 15 2014 00: 25
        0
        he was named the recruited agent of influence during his service at the Ukrainian Embassy in the United States by the former head of the Security Service of Ukraine.
      3. mamont5
        mamont5 April 15 2014 05: 35
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        ora move away from armed insurgents: "Don't participate in or believe the lie that illegal armed groups can improve lives


        His words, yes maydanut in ears in November-December 2013 and in January-February 2014.
    2. Vasek
      Vasek April 14 2014 23: 28
      0
      Quote: boozer
      Something from Trupchinov’s look was lost, he pressed only for the most part, he already imposed roofing ...

      Yes, don’t dress him in any form - all in one, it’s a minieth!
      1. Vasek
        Vasek April 14 2014 23: 39
        +4
        Find 3 differences:
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 April 15 2014 01: 41
          +1
          Shaved, hairy, blue-eyed. And the rest (including the functionality of use) makes no difference.
  8. Chifka
    Chifka April 14 2014 21: 21
    +10
    The mess in Ukraine has long been, the only thing is that it was possible to keep this mess in a civilized framework, to demonstrate the appearance of a semblance of a single country. The soap bubble burst, and now the Ukrainians will have to make a decision "for the Bolsheviks or for the Communists." Old Ukraine will no longer exist, this must be understood. And what will be new and whether it will be independent or as part of Russia, the whole or individual regions - must be decided. The more they pull the cat for the cleanest place, the more difficult it will be to dismantle the ruins later.
    Crimea made a decision, the southeast is in the process of being adopted. If all those who were sitting in their huts and hiding fat were determined and took to the streets, the issue would have been resolved faster.
    In the meantime, most of the country is skinging in the basements, fearing for its greasy currency.
    1. Vasek
      Vasek April 15 2014 04: 01
      0
      Quote: Chifka
      If all those sitting in their huts and hiding lard were determined and took to the streets, the issue would be resolved faster.
      In the meantime, most of the country is skinging in the basements, fearing for its greasy currency.

      Indeed, it seems that Dnipropetrovsk (for example) is waiting with Zaporozhye, where will the breeze blow?
      Just like "allies" before the opening of the 2nd front!
      I would like to be mistaken about this ...
  9. Markusmooon
    Markusmooon April 14 2014 21: 22
    +6
    Turchinov's gay parade needs to be calmly held, and the Southeast is hindering him
  10. demotivator
    demotivator April 14 2014 21: 22
    +13
    “The Turchinov War” is the last act in the drama of the division of Ukraine.

    There are serious suspicions that Turchinov is not a human being, but a robot. And yesterday, when he gave the order "to use armed forces to restore order in the eastern regions," I came to the final conclusion: "HE IS A ROBOT" (and they are already doing!)
    And make them in Washington (American assembly)
    According to the second "Law of Robotics" (everyone has probably read Isaac Asimov?) According to the Second Law of Robotics A ROBOT SHOULD NOT TAKE CARE OF OWN SAFETY for the sake of fulfilling a human order.
    Here, this robot of the TURCHINOV brand (made in USA) is carrying out the self-destructive order of the Director of the CIA (the human owner) and not sparing its electronic guts (after all, the trial and the subsequent "disassembly into details is inevitable"), not sparing itself this robot TURCHINOV gives the order "to start a civil war."
    By the way, the FIRST LAW OF ROBOTICS (a robot cannot harm a person) is not violated by them, because HE is programmed to be "not a cholovik" (if a cholovik?) And therefore the war against Donetsk and Luhansk is by ORDER The CHIEF MAN (Director of the CIA) must begin.
    Well, of course, a court will inevitably take place in June, at which HIS (Turchinova) will be tried ...
    But according to the SECOND law of robotics - the TURCHINOV robot cannot disobey the HUMAN (director of the CIA).
    Such is the fate of robots - true friends and helpers of man!
    1. kocclissi
      kocclissi April 14 2014 21: 51
      +3
      And who would he pick a durochka in his head, check, or maybe it’s true, there are dumb brains there! Or just programs fouled with 3,14ndo viruses .....
    2. I do not care
      I do not care April 14 2014 23: 06
      0
      the second law, like this, in your own words, a robot cannot harm a person, or allow harm to him (a person) due to inaction (not helping) laughing
    3. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 April 15 2014 01: 45
      0
      Dashingly wrapped! I respect
  11. bubalik
    bubalik April 14 2014 21: 23
    +17
    ,,, that's how it turns, the veil from the eyes or something passes ,,, recourse

    ,,, The People’s Chamber on Independence Square in Kiev began in 19: 00. Its participants voiced an ultimatum to representatives of the current government. One of the main demands of the protesters was the resignation of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov and the resignation of the newly appointed leaders of the southeastern regions.

    Among other requirements made from the stage were the removal of immunity from deputies and permission to purchase and carry weapons for all citizens of Ukraine.

    Participants in the veche also demanded from the current government a weekly report on their actions from the stage on the Maidan. In addition, all protesters were called on Tuesday, April 15, in 9: 00 to come under the Verkhovna Rada and get deputies to fulfill their requirements. Representatives of the authorities did not appear on the Euromaidan stage.

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1397494938
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 14 2014 21: 36
      +7
      Quote: bubalik
      The popular veche on Independence Square in Kiev began at 19:00.

      The only trouble is that those gathered, they believe that the authorities are too inactive !!! And in the East, it was long ago necessary to restore order by force. Hence the demand for Avakov's resignation - "too soft" !!!
      Meanwhile ...

      "Right Sector" began mobilization in the Lviv region
      "Right Sector" in the Lviv region announced the creation of a mobilization headquarters to organize and send men to the central mobilization headquarters. This was reported by a Polemics correspondent.

      Volunteers are recorded in Lviv on the ground floor at the Palace of Arts (17 Copernicus) from 10:00 to 20:00. As the leader of the "Right Sector" of Lviv region Artem Lutsak explained, the general mobilization was announced because of the recent events in the East of Ukraine.

      “In connection with what is happening in the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine, in connection with the activation of foreign agents and because of the desire of external forces to destabilize the situation in the state, Right Sector came up with such an initiative,” he said.

      As you know, last Friday, the leader of the Right Sector Dmitry Yarosh ordered all structures of the Right Sector to fully mobilize and "prepare for decisive action to protect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine."
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-143391.html
      1. bubalik
        bubalik April 14 2014 21: 45
        +3
        Fidget SU  Today, 21: 36
        The only trouble is that those gathered, they believe that the authorities are too inactive !!! And in the East, it was long ago necessary to restore order by force. Hence the demand for Avakov's resignation - "too soft" !!!


        ,,, that’s what, but I was glad, but early ,,, the dope-drug of the Maidan does not let go ,,,

        hi
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      3. flc9800
        flc9800 April 14 2014 22: 02
        +4
        They are constantly mobilizing! lol What mobilization is this already? request
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        2. bubalik
          bubalik April 14 2014 22: 17
          +3
          flc9800 SU  Today, 22: 02


          ,,, did not consider ,,, request
      4. ty60
        ty60 April 15 2014 00: 36
        +1
        the experience of the grandfathers remained, driven back to the caches. Not for long. The technologies are different now. Let’s cover like Dudaev. Already with them.
      5. Vasek
        Vasek April 15 2014 04: 07
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        As you know, last Friday, the leader of the Right Sector Dmitry Yarosh ordered all structures of the Right Sector to fully mobilize and "prepare for decisive action to protect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine."


        Maybe this is for the best?
        What then catch them in the woods, is it better to collect all of them in one place and punish everyone at once ?! soldier
  12. vch62388
    vch62388 April 14 2014 21: 23
    +5
    In my opinion, the most likely option is that after the first big blood, the UN peacekeepers will enter (read NATO and Russia). Peacekeepers, by definition, SHARE the warring parties. Section will take place! The only question is where our and NATO's will meet.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 14 2014 21: 29
      +17
      Quote: vch62388
      where our and NATO will meet.
      As always - on the Elbe ...
    2. Wheel
      Wheel April 14 2014 21: 43
      +2
      Quote: vch62388
      In my opinion, the most likely option is that after the first big blood, the UN peacekeepers will enter (read NATO and Russia). Peacekeepers, by definition, SHARE the warring parties. Section will take place! The only question is where our and NATO's will meet.

      To introduce UN peacekeepers, decisions of the Security Council are required.
      And so that no one vetoed ...
    3. Evgen_Vasilich
      Evgen_Vasilich April 14 2014 21: 50
      +2
      It would be nice in Warsaw .....
  13. pogis
    pogis April 14 2014 21: 25
    +6
    45 days ago something like that was said about the Crimea! Crimea is now an integral part of the Russian Federation! The breathtaking from thoughts, what they will talk through ......
  14. konvalval
    konvalval April 14 2014 21: 26
    +5
    gives Russia the widest arsenal of means of influence - from direct assistance and arms supplies to the introduction of the No-Fly Zone (I don’t consider the case of direct entry of troops - this is another game).

    But troops are not needed. All this can be suppressed from the adjacent territory or air.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 14 2014 21: 31
      +3
      Quote: konvalval
      But troops are not needed. All this can be suppressed from the adjacent territory or air.
      Yes, the RF Armed Forces are able to provide such support without crossing the border with the ground forces, only an ORDER is needed.
      It’s a pity that they hastened with the transfer of equipment from the Crimea, it was necessary to leave for service, and now give it through Mariupol ...
    2. Nick
      Nick April 14 2014 21: 42
      +4
      Quote: konvalval
      But troops are not needed. All this can be suppressed from the adjacent territory or air.

      That's it! The Americans have taught us how to provide a no-fly zone. on the example of Libya ...
    3. Michael_59
      Michael_59 April 14 2014 21: 45
      +3
      Quote: konvalval
      crush from adjacent territory or air

      And how to pick out banderlogs from caches?
      1. skifd
        skifd April 14 2014 22: 44
        +4
        Quote: Michael_59
        And how to pick out banderlogs from caches?


        Banderlog still have to be driven into them first. And while they rage, they mock people with impunity. Here is a video that should be shown on all central channels, in fucking "Europe" - so that they would see who they so carefully nurtured and now protect. Because having zapped everything up, they will inevitably climb up to her. Video:

        1. nelav1951
          nelav1951 April 14 2014 23: 21
          +5
          It’s as possible, to put it mildly, to powder the heads of youth. The unenviable fate of Ukraine in the future with such a gang.
        2. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 April 15 2014 01: 59
          +2
          Glory is different. Some "hero" will become so famous that it will not be possible to wash to the grave.
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      2. Vasek
        Vasek April 15 2014 04: 12
        0
        Quote: Michael_59
        And how to pick out banderlogs from caches?

        Pinocchio!
    4. Evgen_Vasilich
      Evgen_Vasilich April 14 2014 21: 52
      +2
      here not long ago they talked about a no-fly zone for ukrovvs and pendovvs ... I think our three hundred will be able to provide
      1. Honeybee
        Honeybee April 14 2014 22: 15
        +3
        Three hundred is already the history of Russia, long ago four hundred, on the approach of five hundred. This is no longer khukh-mukhra, and p.ed.do.s.s know about it
      2. izGOI
        izGOI April 15 2014 03: 16
        0
        Why Russian 3-4 hundredths. We will spend those that are exhibited UkrPVO along the Russian border.
  15. Strashila
    Strashila April 14 2014 21: 28
    +1
    So far, under the guise of the junta, nothing threatens the mercenaries, but the transition of the confrontation to the hot stage will make it possible to get not only a couple of carcasses, but languages ​​from among the mercenaries.
    When all this will be ... the West will not be funny ... now it is difficult for them to explain to their electorate what they actually support and support the Nazi aftermaths for.
    1. Michael_59
      Michael_59 April 14 2014 21: 44
      +1
      Quote: Strashila
      now it’s hard for them to explain to their electorate

      And what can I say to them - nothing personal, only business, or, well, no democracy, only loot ...
    2. ty60
      ty60 April 15 2014 00: 50
      0
      That’s exactly what will happen. They are not patriots, because of the relaxation in the regime of detention they would blurt even what they didn’t know. I am afraid that the last president, a black Negro, will come true.
    3. izGOI
      izGOI April 15 2014 03: 22
      0
      Believe me, the electorate will know almost nothing. Freedom of speech and reliable information are two big differences.
  16. Arkan
    Arkan April 14 2014 21: 30
    +1
    A good scenario. Time will show everything. The west of the borders of Russia, the weaker the Spring.
  17. papas-57
    papas-57 April 14 2014 21: 31
    +2
    Something acting became a modest president; he didn’t even put on a shoulder strap, not to mention the big stars. Or a proverb: without the sticks, that the member without the testicles does not work, or acting not .
  18. Akulina
    Akulina April 14 2014 21: 32
    +3
    I remembered the film "Day Watch" - remember - one drop of blood from the boy's snotty nose and away we go. No, it’s better not ... Those who are now in power in Ukraine have nothing to lose - they perfectly understand everything about European integration and America's "friendly" assistance ... There is only one thing left - to finally screw up Russia - "you drown yourself, swamp the other "... We must hold on with all our strength - not to succumb to provocations, to withstand the pressure of the European Union and the United States, to draw conclusions - who is the friend and who is the enemy ... And there - time is working for us ... Anyway, we will be with these for. s.r.a.n.tsami - ho.hlamy - nothing can be done - brothers ...
    1. vit
      vit April 14 2014 21: 50
      +3
      this is what * brothers * write http://oleg-leusenko.livejournal.com/1340641.html such brothers are not needed
    2. Skif
      Skif April 15 2014 01: 39
      0
      Filter the bazaar, do not call the whole people. There are enough zats everywhere.
  19. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 14 2014 21: 32
    +7
    When you analyze everything that happens, you read the kmments, every day I am more and more proud that I am a Russian.
    Let's take the USA - the president of "BARAK" - the building is not permanent, but temporary. tongue
    Surnames are also khutut people transformed in an adult way. laughing
    Only DEBYLOIDS can fight such people. fool
    Thank you compatriots for their sharp mind. There is much to learn. good hi
  20. geto123
    geto123 April 14 2014 21: 32
    0
    rather today tomorrow, NATO will start a war with Russia (
    1. bubalik
      bubalik April 14 2014 21: 37
      0

      geto123 RU  Today, 21: 32 New


      rather today tomorrow NATO will start a war with Russia


      Russia can take the necessary measures to ensure its security if NATO builds up military forces near the borders of Russia, said Russian Permanent Representative to the North Atlantic Alliance Alexander Grushko.


      http://warfiles.ru/show-52444-grushko-rossiya-gotova-otvetit-na-naraschivanie-si
      l-nato.html
      1. Vasek
        Vasek April 15 2014 04: 26
        +1
        Quote: bubalik
        geto123 RU  Today, 21: 32 New


        rather today tomorrow NATO will start a war with Russia

        Russia can take the necessary measures to ensure its security if NATO builds up military forces near the borders of Russia, said Russia's Permanent Representative to the North Atlantic Alliance, Alexander Grushko.

        newsru.com:
        Russia may set up an army of guest workers from the former republics of the USSR against NATO forces
        Sudden reserve! soldier
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    1. Akulina
      Akulina April 14 2014 21: 40
      +2
      Interestingly, they managed to run to the latrine or did they dirt the deck? Tomorrow's campaign is a subbotnik on a destroyer ...
  22. igorra
    igorra April 14 2014 21: 33
    +3
    Purely economically at the moment we will not pull, only if you tear the veins. An independent New Russia would become a good counterbalance to Belarus (father would have been less for good) and ten years later, when we raise the standard of living there to Belarusian, then we should already think about joining Russia.
    1. Vasek
      Vasek April 15 2014 04: 29
      0
      Quote: igorra
      (father would be less for z.lu.pa.alsya)

      Yes, Dad looks great, IMHO! Is it possible to imagine Kiev anarchy in Minsk? request
  23. andj61
    andj61 April 14 2014 21: 35
    +3
    History repeats itself, first as a tragedy, then as a farce. May God grant that the tragedy remains in Tskhinvali, and in the East of Ukraine there was only a farce! The Ukrainian military is not, and is not eager to fight against the people. The Ukrainian authorities (both Yanukovych and current creatures), by their attitude to the Berkut fighters, vaccinated the security forces against the use of weapons against the people. Yesterday's attempt to storm Sloviansk, as a result of which the leadership of the security operation from the SBU was destroyed, and the military did not participate at all (or refused? And who did shoot these SBU officers? The checkpoint? They themselves were shot!) too many questions, but does not answer them. Therefore, one must rely not on the rotting and decaying Ukrainian army, but on honest and decent Ukrainian officers who have sworn allegiance not to the rulers, but to the people of Ukraine.
  24. sinukvl
    sinukvl April 14 2014 21: 35
    +4
    All these applications of Turchinov and Avakov, it’s not even funny anymore, it’s sad, it seems that in January Ukrainian psychiatric hospitals there was an open day and they left. He needs to be treated! Yes, as they say, what a pop and parish!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 14 2014 23: 55
      +2
      The photo is valid, as if aiming to take by the cheek.
  25. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 14 2014 21: 38
    +6
    Now the news said that the white Obama Obama confirmed the information about the main c (s) rushnyk. he was necha in ukraine, was
  26. DNR
    DNR April 14 2014 21: 39
    +4
    It seems that Ukraine will not be independent. For 23 years of "square" this very "square" has not been learned. Constantly someone owes something and someone is to blame for everything.

    Now, if the Southeast wants to exist as a subject, this is possible only as part of Russia. All other options will lead to its further degradation.
    As for the other territory, the return of the Center (together with Kiev) is a matter of time. Here propaganda is important and again propaganda.

    And the West is Europe (and, consequently, complete dependence on it).
    1. Vasek
      Vasek April 15 2014 04: 41
      0
      Quote: DNR
      Now, if the Southeast wants to exist as a subject, this is possible only as part of Russia. All other options will lead to its further degradation.

      Let me disagree.
      In the status of, for example, Abkhazia, with the support of Russia and competent management, they will very soon become the subject of regret about the wrong path chosen for Kiev, Poltava, Sumy, Cherkassy, ​​Vinnitsa and others who were "hesitant".
      A formal accession only adds fuel to the furnace of anti-Russian hysteria. Not to mention all the difficulties of bringing legislation, finance, social programs, and infrastructure into conformity (see Crimea). That is, it is necessary to strive for this, but you cannot promise more than you can do. Gradually...
  27. vezunchik
    vezunchik April 14 2014 21: 42
    +8
    Israeli military-political expert, former head of the Nativ secret service, Yakov Kedmi, claims that there will be no war in Ukraine. But if Kiev turns away from Russia, it will face financial collapse, poverty and hunger riots ...
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 April 14 2014 22: 14
      +8
      Our answer ...
  28. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 14 2014 21: 44
    +7
    It sometimes seems to me that the hunters, Maidan ... the brilliant operation of our intelligence .. Judge for yourself .. having infiltrated the CIA or wherever they get 5 billion bucks and give Russia Crimea .. more more, by their actions they provoke a split in Ukraine and put under doubt the existence of Ukraine as a state .. The russophobic rhetoric that sounds in the Verkhovna Rada is just a show to aggravate relations within the country .. Who is worse off this from Russia .. no, worse than the USA, NATO, they gave money, the money disappeared, and it turns out that nothing happens at all .. what they wanted .. smile
  29. Svetovod
    Svetovod April 14 2014 21: 44
    +5
    TTH Durchinova:
    1. easy nebrytost - should say to the people of ukrov that they say ento - male.
    2. Each new statement is worse than all previous ones - this should also tell the whole world - Cho EVERYTHING! So the decisive moment has come !! HOORAY!!!! And so every day ...
    3. Imitation of activity. As school graduates seized the headmaster’s office and the head teacher, and now they don’t know what to do, they don’t know how to teach and don’t (lenders), they don’t want to give salaries to teachers — they themselves are few. Kranty them.
    4. Bosko piercing through is ensured (Poor little man with a bad name).
    1. Stalingradec
      Stalingradec April 14 2014 21: 55
      +4
      If you shave it smoothly it will look like BABU (not a woman laughing )! A terrible one!
      1. yur
        yur April 14 2014 23: 17
        +1
        Quote: Stalingrad
        If you shave it smoothly, it will look like BABU (not a woman)! Such a terrible one!
        Yes, he is unshaven, BABA. Such a terrible one! fellow
        1. Vasek
          Vasek April 15 2014 04: 48
          0
          Quote: yur
          Yes, he is unshaven, BABA. Such a terrible one!

          Scary unpainted
          And makeup wassat
  30. -Patriot-
    -Patriot- April 14 2014 21: 50
    +1
    I played enough with the soldiers, the poor fellow ... And I saw enough of the militants, I see.
    1. Stinger
      Stinger April 14 2014 22: 06
      0
      Yes. The words internal, affairs, secession, rebels, unitarian were used, apparently, to emphasize the intellect of the author, but it turned out to be complete Hollywood.
  31. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 14 2014 21: 53
    +4
    “A good pastor (nicknamed Turchinov - approx. Author), who is hiding behind good words, will not be able to overcome any corruption ... The maximum that he can do is replace some corrupt officials with others.”
    . Today’s illegitimate “prime minister” Yatsenyuk pours mud on the same illegitimate “acting president” Turchinov. The video is dated October 15, 2012
    1. Anper
      Anper April 15 2014 00: 57
      0
      Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
      Yatseniuk
      0.26 ready-made patient in a mental hospital!
    2. Vasek
      Vasek April 15 2014 04: 52
      0
      Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
      The video is dated October 15, 2012

      good
      Some videos are like wine: over time, they become more sophisticated and relevant!
  32. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever April 14 2014 21: 57
    +3
    "I am not discussing the scenario now" - this is the professional author's diplomacy. The main thing is to correctly lay out the cards, And I think the solutions will be found in the "HQ" of the rebels - they have cards in their hands. Turchinov is not an eagle. Spring is in full swing, and in the soul "cats scratch". Ah bastard-Turchinov, Turchinova - gave birth to a "heavenly hundred", which is already in heaven ", but the birth was not successful - neither a mouse, nor a wolf cub - and don't get it, but the American midwife always has a" delivery " They were not good luck, they only know how to bomb and destroy - but they cannot "create".
  33. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 14 2014 22: 00
    +6
    Alyosha's tale "Three Fat Men" in Ukrainian arrangement. Kiev junta - political corpses.
    1. ty60
      ty60 April 15 2014 01: 00
      +1
      Tale of Yuri Olesha. Otherwise, everything is true.
  34. tezzo
    tezzo April 14 2014 22: 00
    +2
    And why are epaulets empty from the acting Supreme Commander?
    Uncertainty is clearly seen in the eyes and gesture, take a look!
  35. Not local
    Not local April 14 2014 22: 04
    +1
    I saw such a "chmyrly" wearing of military uniforms only on the first day of the term. By the way, that soldier was no until the demobilization. I have not learned to wear a uniform, nor to defend my Motherland. Looks like his fate is ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 14 2014 22: 18
      +3
      Quote: Non-local
      I saw such a "chmyrly" wearing of military uniforms only on the first day of the term.

      Yes? And here Yushchenko showed us exactly the same thing! So Turchinov takes an example from him!

      But what's worse is that many banks are now closing their branches in the Donetsk region. In the forefront of "Aval", which mainly served pensioners! Almost everything! Only the Russian bank is working normally!
      So if not the army, then a complete lack of money and the inability to withdraw savings will affect people !!! am
      1. ty60
        ty60 April 15 2014 01: 05
        0
        One of the options. However, Russia will not give more loans to pay off gas debts. These debts will have to be taken by the countries of the EEC. The profit is simple-providing transit. At the same time, Ukraine will still steal gas.
    2. I read the news
      I read the news April 14 2014 22: 28
      +1
      This suggests that you had a team: they did not teach you how to wear uniforms, nor protect your homeland.
  36. typhoon7
    typhoon7 April 14 2014 22: 05
    0
    The United States recognized that the head of the CIA recently arrived in Ukraine, it seems that the flywheel is spinning, Odessa and Kharkov would have risen, together it’s easier to kick the junta. Turchinov and his pawn friends, although even a pawn in his right mind would not decide on a military operation, is suicidal.
  37. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv April 14 2014 22: 06
    +12
    Guys, if you want to laugh, watch the video ...
    The guys from Ukraine on Skype just showed it to me:
    laughing
    Well, I just rested Malekho’s soul ...
    Just finita good humor fellow

    1. svp67
      svp67 April 14 2014 22: 30
      +3
      forgot the parachute ...
      Hi Alex hi
      1. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx April 14 2014 23: 02
        +1
        And bast shoes, in what "wines priishov to Kiivu" ...
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv April 14 2014 23: 23
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        forgot the parachute ...

        That damn ... for sure.
        How can it be without a parachute ... the classics of the genre suffer - without it.

        Greetings, Sergey.
        Glad to hear that.
        hi
    2. nelav1951
      nelav1951 April 14 2014 23: 45
      +1
      Alex. Well, they killed you. I haven’t been so embarrassed since.
  38. mikihc
    mikihc April 14 2014 22: 06
    +3
    And yet, the option of uniting the southeast of Ukraine into a single state would be more acceptable. Less trouble with international opinion, with the prospect of joining the Union State of Russia-Belarus.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus April 14 2014 22: 31
      +2
      I agree that it will be easier for the Southeast itself to prove itself as an independent state.
  39. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 14 2014 22: 12
    +1
    Quote: vch62388
    In my opinion, the most likely option is that after the first big blood, the UN peacekeepers will enter (read NATO and Russia). Peacekeepers, by definition, SHARE the warring parties. Section will take place! The only question is where our and NATO's will meet.

    The UN cannot send its peacekeeping troops as RUSSIA does not fight with UKRAINE and RUSSIA has the right of VETO in the UN. And we will use it right away. soldier
    1. izGOI
      izGOI April 15 2014 03: 39
      0
      There will be no UN peacekeepers; it is really long and difficult to formalize. But, as in Serbia, under the flag of NATO is more likely. Although NATO troops may be just Polish and only in Lviv.
      1. Vasek
        Vasek April 15 2014 05: 12
        0
        Quote: izGOI
        There will be no UN peacekeepers; it is really long and difficult to formalize. But, as in Serbia, under the flag of NATO is more likely. Although NATO troops may be just Polish and only in Lviv.


        I agree. Only Russia today is "much more different."
        Although in those difficult years, our landing party managed to catch up with the British from Pristina airport!
        And today, I think, they will think three times before arguing in an adult way.

        And one more thing: NATO charter provides for joint defense only when attacking one of the members (beautiful name for a NATO member).
        Well, if in panov they themselves want to butt first, then, as they say - affectionately requested!
        As here on the site, one smart person previously noticed: Poles still not tired of restoring their Warsaw?
  40. Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov April 14 2014 22: 12
    0
    Well, it’s right to become part of Russia forever. Become Russia. A correct and reasonable decision. Go back home and live normally, strengthening and developing as a whole country-Russia. There will be enough suffering from Ukraine, there is nothing better than home-Russia. And with Transnistria the problem is being solved.
  41. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever April 14 2014 22: 13
    +1
    And so the press secretary of the White House, Jay Carney, confirmed that the US CIA director visited Kiev "during a trip to Europe." Well, can anyone now doubt that the puppets in Ukraine are controlled directly from the United States, and they strictly follow these instructions, because a step to the side for the maydanuts would be tantamount to being shot from a large-caliber - without the right to a visa to the EU and the United States
    1. Vasek
      Vasek April 16 2014 04: 44
      0
      Quote: Tanya-umunechka
      Well, can anyone now doubt that puppets in Ukraine are controlled directly from the USA?

      Only a fool can doubt - Yaytsik has long been on the CIA salary; Turchik - as Julia says (also all the grandmas have been in the Bundes for a long time). Who is "clean" - don't tell me! Parubiy and Nalivay have long been on the CIA salary lists ...
      (To the moderators: is fool also a foul word? Don’t be fools!)
  42. fly fishing
    fly fishing April 14 2014 22: 14
    +3
    But will Turchinov go into battle or sit out in a Kiev bunker? The soul is like a scam, weak and insignificant!
    1. izGOI
      izGOI April 15 2014 03: 41
      0
      He will sit out in the Bandera crypt in Lviv.
    2. Vasek
      Vasek April 16 2014 04: 48
      0
      But will Turchinov go into battle or sit out in a Kiev bunker? The soul is like a scam, weak and insignificant!
      And the mouth is sexy!
  43. 1812 1945
    1812 1945 April 14 2014 22: 22
    +1
    Thanks to the author! This scenario - the most logical and simple, but taking into account the mentality of the Russian World, based on the experience of many generations of people living on this earth, their relationship to traitors - this scenario turned out to be too tough for NATO analysts. And may he come true!
  44. Svetovod
    Svetovod April 14 2014 22: 24
    +3
    Quote: tezzo
    And why are epaulets empty from the acting Supreme Commander?
    Uncertainty is clearly seen in the eyes and gesture, take a look!


    Eyes are empty as epaulets.
  45. Kibl
    Kibl April 14 2014 22: 25
    +2
    KALOBOK in camouflage!
  46. 23424636
    23424636 April 14 2014 22: 27
    +1
    One problem is who owns the economy of Donbass and what it will have from dividing its assets, so the party of regions, the fed team of Akhmetov, will do everything for the Dnepropetrovsk Turchinovs and Yulek, because the Americans have promised guarantees for the preservation of its assets. Therefore, for Donbass and its residents, PR is Enemy number two, speaking Russian, but doing against the Russians.
  47. Belarus
    Belarus April 14 2014 22: 29
    +7
    Just do not kick for this thought: recourse
    You know what the situation is good in Ukraine, in that it shows who really is and who wants what. This situation like a litmus test shows the whole tragic situation inside Ukraine, what was actually hidden from the people.
    Turchinov himself, like all Kiev Gestapo He doesn’t make any decisions and couldn’t take them because of his dementia.
    The fact that the head of the CIA brought the plan to Kiev so I can even say what it is called: "Funeral of Ukraine"
    And the rebellious people in the East and Southeast have shown that they are not people who want to live and work quietly and not be a cash cow to zapadents.
    The main thing is that people would wake up more and get up to fight the devils!
  48. loginovich
    loginovich April 14 2014 22: 33
    +2
    Quote: bubalik
    Participants in the veche also demanded from the current government a weekly report on their actions from the stage on the Maidan. In addition, all protesters were called on Tuesday, April 15, in 9: 00 to come under the Verkhovna Rada and get deputies to fulfill their requirements. Representatives of the authorities did not appear on the Euromaidan stage.



    Maidan exactly children are big and they believe in a fairy tale. They wanted a flattery, they dreamed of a beautiful life beyond the hill, they got what they fought for minus the Crimea and there is one plus civil war. Already for 4 months the Maidan is a synonym for stupidity for me. One calms infinite.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik April 14 2014 22: 39
      +2
      loginovich UA  Today, 22: 33


      ,,,I agree,,,
      ,,, I'm interested in what they live there for?
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  49. Kapralwdw
    Kapralwdw April 14 2014 22: 34
    +1
    [quote = Aleks tv] Guys, if you want to laugh, watch the video ...
    The guys from Ukraine on Skype just showed it to me:
    laughing
    Well, I just rested Malekho’s soul ...
    Just finita good humor fellow

    [/ quo SUPER !!! bully
  50. ambiorix
    ambiorix April 14 2014 22: 42
    +10
    Tin plate !!!

    http://ria.ru/world/20140414/1003902700.html#ixzz2yspuICqY

    The Russian Defense Ministry commented on an audio recording of allegedly GRU special forces operating in southeastern Ukraine, about which they screamed at the SBU.

    "On the eve of April 11, the special forces of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of Ukraine arrived in the Donetsk region, as all Ukrainian media wrote about." “It is no coincidence that in the audio recording provided by the SBU, the militiamen talk about some kind of clash, where they were late,” the source said.

    Apparently, he continued, fighters of the Ukrainian special forces, not knowing the terrain, ambushed at the entrance to Slavyansk and liquidated the head of the anti-terrorist center of Ukraine, taking him and the accompanying motorcade for the rebels.

    "This explains the cancellation of the storming of Slavyansk, which was scheduled for the morning of April 14. Now it is clear why, after the NSDC meeting, Turchynov (Alexander Turchinov, appointed by the Verkhovna Rada as acting president of Ukraine - ed.) Immediately replaced the head of the anti-terrorist center for this failure SBU ", - said the source.


    That is, as I understand it, the GUR special forces mistakenly cleared the general staff of the ATC SBU?
    Congenial, Watson (s)
    1. ty60
      ty60 April 15 2014 01: 19
      0
      what are you, so Andy Tucker said through the lips of Ostap Suleymanovich.
    2. michelle
      michelle April 15 2014 03: 37
      +1
      yeah ... as I understand it, it was a telephone conversation + conference call ... laugh-nimage !!! clowns! they would have delivered atomic weapons !!! (Julia threatened!) fool laughing soldier
    3. andj61
      andj61 April 15 2014 10: 47
      0
      Well, this explains all the confusion in this episode.
      Quote: Apparently, the soldiers of the Ukrainian special forces, not knowing the terrain, ambushed at the entrance to Slavyansk and liquidated the head of the anti-terrorist center of Ukraine, taking him and the accompanying motorcade for the rebels.
      Or maybe they didn’t accept it, but they purposefully eliminated it. Or they considered it to be representatives of the right sector.
      But the reports from the scene said something else about the "cold" corpse, which was brought there by car and thrown. Apparently, some kind of provocation was being prepared.