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"In the east of Ukraine, the red flag of the social revolution rises"

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"In the east of Ukraine, the red flag of the social revolution rises"Famous journalist about events in Ukraine


The famous Russian journalist Maxim Shevchenko gave an exclusive interview to the KM.RU portal about the social background of events in Ukraine and about the attitude of official Moscow to the ongoing processes.

In the working regions of Ukraine socialist sentiment

The Russian government cannot step over itself. She created in our country a system of oligarchic capital that dominates the rest of the people, and it is difficult for her to maintain the socialist component of the protest of the East of Ukraine. Our state is not socialist and treats the left with suspicion (to those left who do not run to the Kremlin for advice). The capitalist part of the Russian government is afraid not only of the Makhnovist, anarchist, but also the red banner of the social revolution that is rising in the east of Ukraine.

We were ready to be friends with Chavez. Still would! He was far away in Venezuela. And when the "Chavez" arise in the Luhansk, Donetsk and Kharkiv regions, then friends with Chavez began to think about it. And what you do not support the Bolivarian movement on its borders? I consider that it is necessary to support. But Moscow would like, to the detriment of social demands, to present protest as a geopolitical struggle and introduce nationalist notes into it. Such an approach is doomed to failure.

In the working regions of Ukraine, socialist sentiments, while spontaneous, so far unconscious fully in the language of political struggle, are especially strong. In Russian society, left-wing tendencies and left-wing parties are also becoming stronger, and this allows us to support the fighting Luhansk, Donetsk, and Kharkov from the point of view of class interests.

The Russian elite must step over its class rejection of what is happening in Eastern Ukraine and support the popular social uprising that is unfolding there. But in any case, you can not send troops there. There are rights-based, informational and political methods, and they should be used.

You can not oppose Russian Ukrainians and Ukrainians - Russian

We even have a movie about Kolchak, almost like a saint, and how is it different from Bandera? Both fought against the Bolsheviks. Bandera, however, was a socialist. But Kolchak advocated the collapse of the Russian Empire in February 1917 of the year and supported the February revolution. But the atrocities of Kolchak Siberia still remembers. Solzhenitsyn, venerated in Russia, by the way, did Bandera and Bandera resistance in the GULAG Archipelago in general.

Returning to the situation in the east of Ukraine, I would like to emphasize that we are dealing primarily with a robbed, destitute people whose labor rights are crushed. People turned into slaves, into serfs, who work from dawn to dawn, receiving pennies for it, and the criminal oligarchic elite make fortunes of billions. And at this time, the media set Russians on Ukrainians, and Ukrainians on Russians! The bourgeoisie always uses this universal method.

Yes, Ukrainians are a people with a special culture and their own tradition of forming a state. Yes, they have their own national identity, a separate and very strong Cossack tradition. So I would stop repeating that Ukrainians are Russians. But Russians and Ukrainians are very close to each other, and it is no coincidence that marriages between them are especially strong.

But you can not oppose Russian Ukrainians and Ukrainians - Russian, you can not break the unity of the Orthodox world, Ukraine - an Orthodox country, and the majority of Russian citizens - also Orthodox. On the territory of Ukraine there are two shrines of the four greatest shrines that strengthen the Orthodox world. This is the Pochaev and Pechersk Lavra.

Moscow must strengthen the Orthodox unity: after all, it unites us with Ukraine. In addition, we could attract Ukrainian youth to Russia as students. I would create a multi-billion dollar fund, give grants to Ukrainian students, regardless of where they come from - from Kiev, from the East or the West. Let the young people come to us, as my grandmother and grandfather once came to Moscow. Ukrainians easily converge with Russians, but Ukrainian students have been absent from us for twenty years.
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  1. fregina1
    fregina1 April 15 2014 12: 22
    +22
    Soon Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Odessa and Kharkov will receive the first bills and the closure of production! We will not only receive the red banner, but people will take up some sickle, some hammer to put in maydaunam! Hunger is not aunt, thoughts immediately sober up!
    1. Arhj
      Arhj April 15 2014 12: 30
      +12
      There is also some hope for the West and the Center. The accounts there will be no less, and I think there are already problems with salaries and pensions.
      The revolution is an exciting thing, but alas, it does not spread on bread and fat does not replace.
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks April 15 2014 12: 45
        +13
        Yes, Ukrainians are a people with a special culture and their own tradition of forming a state.


        I am too shy to ask what kind of culture it is, not really globally-embroidered, so call Mr. Shevchenko, this is least of all related to the southeast there are almost no Ukrainians, and the farmer's mentality is alien to them. It seems to me you are trying to breed Russian from Russian

        Yes, they have their own national identity, a separate and very strong Cossack tradition.


        again, a jamb, for this it would be worthwhile to familiarize yourself with the history of the Sich organized criminal group, by the way, this formation refers to Orthodoxy so much.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas April 15 2014 18: 52
          +2
          Quote: seller trucks
          It seems to me you are trying to breed Russian from Russian
          But it seems to me that you are trying to erase the patrimonial memory of Ukrainians.
          Quote: seller trucks
          it would be worthwhile to get acquainted with the history of the Sich organized crime group, by the way, this formation refers to Orthodoxy as much as.
          Secheviks were Orthodox Ukrainians, defended the Orthodox faith ("folk") from Uniates and Catholics, and therefore politically gravitated towards Russia. Do you have an alternative detective story? Therefore, you do not want to distinguish between Orthodox Ukrainians and Russians. So you all the Cossacks, without looking at participation in the organized criminal group, would wave. As Kiev acting. the government, which believes that everyone who lives in Ukraine is Ukrainians, and who is not jumping ... regions of Ukraine than ridiculing the national self-determination of tens of millions of Orthodox Christians in Ukraine. And let the Catholic-Uniate Westerners jump.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 16 2014 01: 03
            +3
            Quote: Stanislav
            The author is right that the union of Ukrainians and Russians under the banner of Orthodoxy is much more productive in order to gain support for pro-Russian politics in all southeastern and central regions of Ukraine than ridiculing the national self-determination of tens of millions of Orthodox in Ukraine

            The author, to put it mildly, catches ... I took up the urgent TODAY topic, with the involvement of historical characters of the civil and Great Patriotic Wars, comparing Bandera with Kolchak ....
            Pan Shevchenko probably wanted to recall Petlyura and Vlasov, but he realized that he would overtake. So I went along the Orthodox path.
            Quote: Stanislav
            Secheviks represented Orthodox Ukrainians, defended the Orthodox faith ("folk") from Uniates and Catholics, and therefore politically gravitated towards Russia.

            About what the Cossacks of the Zaporizhzhya Sich were like political power, I don't even want to discuss. Here I am completely on the side of the seller trucks so criticized by you. "Taras Bulba" is a great work of the great Nikolai Gogol. But in contrast, you can put the works of no less great H. Senkevich. More precisely, the Sich was nothing more than a 16th-century PMC. Remember the history of the Pereyaslavl Union, and what was the motivation behind B. Khmelnitsky's request to Moscow for unification, what the hetman promised in case of Moscow's refusal, and what happened in the end ...
            hi
        2. saber1357
          saber1357 April 16 2014 00: 48
          0
          It's just interesting how obvious enemies constantly reveal themselves and make themselves obvious to all of us. For example, a certain "American serviceman" (whether literally or figuratively) starts an account on VO with the login "seller trucks", expresses pseudo-nationalist slogans "to separate Russians from Russians" (if only he learned Russian, we do not express themselves, dear Leutenant MacDonald the Duck, sell you truck and get your f ...), pours obvious misinformation (about the Sich organized criminal group), fights against the hated Brzezin Orthodoxy and thinks that he hid well under the button from under keyboard ....
    2. avg
      avg April 15 2014 13: 16
      +3
      In addition, we could attract Ukrainian youth to Russia as students. I would create a multi-billion dollar fund, give grants to Ukrainian students, regardless of where they came from Kiev, from the East or the West.

      And also "the key to the apartment, where the money is" And let our people work. Well, while the guys are studying.wink
    3. GRune
      GRune April 15 2014 13: 28
      +3
      Before the elections, no one will get anything terrible, they will choose another Petrushka, then they will scream from hopelessness and go to the next Maidan. Damn, the country "Groundhog" is somehow really ...
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 15 2014 16: 25
        0
        Quote: GRune
        Damn, the country "Groundhog" is somehow really ...

        And the people have a brain reboot, every maidan!
    4. acute
      acute April 15 2014 13: 54
      +1
      The author is right. The Russian government is afraid of the revolutionary mood of eastern Ukraine.
      1. Predator
        Predator April 15 2014 15: 41
        +6
        What are you talking about? What kind of social revolution ?! Who is afraid? You have already turned the defense against the fascist putsch into a proletarian revolution! There weren’t 23 years, but appeared in 2 months!
    5. Sandov
      Sandov April 15 2014 15: 39
      0
      Ukrainians easily converge with Russians, but Ukrainian students have not been with us for twenty years.
      Author Maxim Shevchenko
      Still, no matter how one people.
  2. Horly
    Horly April 15 2014 12: 27
    +17
    The fact that the capitalist system in Russia does not take root - it is clear from the events of the past 20 years - the result of Gaidar's reforms cannot be overcome until now. However, a sharp departure from the capitalist system is absolutely unacceptable - it is nevertheless necessary to come to socialism in an evolutionary way. And this requires the unity of the Orthodox society and the national idea of ​​a just society. Now, similar, about this and at the top, many are already beginning to think. And the most important thing is the upbringing of the younger generation, which was completely ditched in the dashing 90s. This is illustrated by the events in Kiev. The bulk of the protests are lumpen from the "Pepsi generation"! And this question is of paramount importance for our state!
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer April 15 2014 12: 39
      +2
      Quote: Horly
      The bulk of the protests are lumpen from the "Pepsi generation"!

      But apparently you are proposing to cultivate the petty bourgeoisie, or, as is customary today to call it tolerant, the middle class? Only on condition of avoiding private ownership of the means of production and building socialism, as a transitional stage on the way of humanity to a just society - communism, is further progress possible! Capitalism has long outlived itself, and in its agony, it is ready to drag all of humanity into the abyss!
      1. Horly
        Horly April 15 2014 15: 07
        +3
        I was talking about a way to get away from capitalism, not about its preservation. And the fact that sooner or later we will come to this (socialism) - I have no doubt! Millet, as my companion said: "The main thing is without fanaticism!"
    2. demon184
      demon184 April 15 2014 13: 09
      0
      We already remembered the planned economy
      1. vladim.gorbunow
        vladim.gorbunow April 15 2014 15: 52
        +2
        And do not forget. Any production works according to plan. based on the planned human, raw, energy and transport resources. A strange situation - at the bottom of the plan, at the top of the market. Demand-supply let them stay in boutiques.
  3. Arh
    Arh April 15 2014 12: 28
    +6
    Red Banner Stronger Unites, USSR! ! !
  4. olegglin
    olegglin April 15 2014 12: 32
    +6
    The Russian elite must step over its class rejection of what is happening in Eastern Ukraine and support the popular social uprising that is unfolding there. But in any case, you can not send troops there. There are rights-based, informational and political methods, and they should be used.


    Why is nothing said about economic support? Why do not we support the fraternal people with supplies, even if not for military purposes?
    1. 120352
      120352 April 15 2014 12: 40
      0
      And you, sir, what kind of economic support do you mean? Tanks, planes, fuel for them? And maybe the plans of our General Staff? It's time! So they will not only crush the southeast, but they will come to your home.
      They will become part of Russia, prove themselves as fraternal people - please get jobs, and feed a potential enemy, increase their economic and, consequently, military potential - this is excuse me!
      1. olegglin
        olegglin April 15 2014 12: 56
        +3
        I mean the support for the humanitarian character of the revolutionary regions of the Southeast.
        1. Azzzwer
          Azzzwer April 15 2014 13: 10
          +2
          Quote: olegglin
          I mean the support for the humanitarian character of the revolutionary regions of the Southeast.
          The Russian bourgeoisie will not support a truly popular revolution!
    2. acute
      acute April 15 2014 14: 54
      +2
      Who will support? A state that does not have money to treat its children? This money is collected by the poor citizens of our country. Those who don’t give a damn about the children of the state, and even less so for the residents of the neighboring state. Help is provided by those who have visited this skin and understand that only people like him are able to help
    3. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. April 15 2014 15: 54
      +1
      In Ukraine, these weapons are a dime a dozen. They are still not sold during the time of independence. You just need to take it.
  5. zzz
    zzz April 15 2014 12: 35
    +2
    Even became sad from the read .....
    1. Ulus5
      Ulus5 April 15 2014 18: 45
      0
      Quote: zzz
      Even became sad from the read .....

      I did not expect that Maxim Shevchenko is a communist.
      Only here heresy drives utterly:

      Yes, Ukrainians are a people with a special culture and their own tradition of forming a state. Yes, they have their own national identity, a separate and very strong Cossack tradition.

      It smacks of nationalism.
      And further
      But you can’t oppose Russians to Ukrainians and Ukrainians to Russians,

      Started for health, finished for peace.


      So I would stop repeating that Ukrainians are Russians.

      But no one says that Ukrainians are Russians.
      Ukrainians and Russia are one people, as well as Belarusians, Pomors, Permians, etc., etc.
  6. Per se.
    Per se. April 15 2014 12: 36
    +5
    But one cannot oppose Russians to Ukrainians and Ukrainians to Russians, one cannot break the unity of the Orthodox world, Ukraine is an Orthodox country, and the majority of Russian citizens are also Orthodox.
    Or maybe it's high time to remember that Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, and the territory called "Ukraine" is the first-born, indigenous Russia? If Galicia considers itself a different nation, these are their problems, even if they are called "dill" or "banderlog", and the rest are Russians, Russians just like us. A Ukrainian, a Siberian or a Uralian is not a nation. As for Orthodoxy, it began with us in Kievan Rus.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru April 15 2014 17: 21
      0
      Quote: Per se.
      it’s time to remember that Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, and the territory under the name ... As for Orthodoxy, it began with Kievan Rus in our country

      I give the name: Alexey Kungurov. Kievan Rus was not, or what historians hide.
      Drive into the search engine, download, read. I assure you will not regret it. There and about Kiev and about Russia and about baptism. Then you can share your impressions in PM.
  7. Committee
    Committee April 15 2014 12: 40
    +4
    So I would stop repeating that Ukrainians are Russians.
    Shevchenko in his repertoire ... after that, what else to want ...
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 15 2014 12: 56
      +5
      I am very ambivalent about Shevchenko. Sometimes I am inclined to the idea that not everything is in order with his head. He is trying to squeeze so diametrically opposing views into his reasoning.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 April 15 2014 14: 51
        +1
        Quote: Flood
        Sometimes I am inclined to the idea that not everything is in order with his head. He is trying to squeeze so diametrically opposing views into his reasoning.

        This is now, as the advanced trend says, to say about everything, and at the same time about nothing, there is a more capacious expression - to drive the blizzard! Gorbachev was the founder of this genre!
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    2. nika407
      nika407 April 15 2014 15: 44
      +3
      Quote: Committee
      Shevchenko in his repertoire ... after that, what else to want ..
      Mr. Shevchenko recently wrote in some blog about how difficult it will be for Crimeans in Russia, because they are used to more liberalism, more freedom of speech and more. We all have the honor to observe freedom of speech in Ukraine and its liberal values. Solzhenitsyn can sing about anyone, but the Russians will never sing about the traitors of Bandera who have succeeded in the role of ss and policemen, and they will be ashamed of their grandfathers.
      Moscow must strengthen Orthodox unity
      35 billion dlr in 4 years - even as Moscow strengthens unity. And how does Ukraine strengthen this unity?
    3. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 15 2014 16: 36
      +1
      Quote:
      "Yes, Ukrainians are a people with a special culture and their own tradition of state formation. Yes, they have their own national identity, a separate and very strong Cossack tradition."
      After that, everything is already clear, probably the Cossack Kolomoisky received a fee for this article!
      These are the non-Ukrainians Cossacks .....
  8. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 15 2014 12: 40
    +3
    In the US, the possibility of delivering weapons to the Ukrainian security forces is being discussed

    Washington. April 15th. INTERFAX.RU - The US does not exclude the possibility of arms supplies to Ukraine, said US Assistant Secretary of State Thomas Shannon.

    When asked whether the United States could send weapons to the Ukrainian security forces, T. Shannon said: "Of course, we see this as one of the options."

    "But at the moment, I cannot predict whether we will do it or not," said the diplomat, quoted by the Voice of America radio station on Tuesday.

    Speaking about the situation in southeastern Ukraine, Shannon noted: "From our point of view, what we are seeing now in a number of cities resembles what we saw in Crimea - both in terms of tactics and in terms of participants in these actions."

    "In our opinion, Russia's participation in all this is quite obvious, and we consider these actions to be destabilizing and dangerous," the US State Department official added.

    See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/world/371663

    You can clearly see who is striving for something, they want to make a second Syria!
    1. demon184
      demon184 April 15 2014 13: 43
      +2
      In Ukraine, since the days of the USSR, little weapon left? Or they decided to change the ak to m16, so this is only for the benefit of the east, Georgians are now spitting from m16
    2. dalekiy
      dalekiy April 15 2014 14: 06
      0
      One hope: they will plunder along the way and this weapon will not reach the point. And there, if something happens, our trucks will stop ... Yesterday I looked at rusvesna point su. One such carrier was caught in the Donetsk region. He was carrying ammunition.
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul April 15 2014 16: 19
        0
        One hope: they will plunder along the way and this weapon will not reach the point.
        They will sell it to everyone as American dry packs. hi
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    3. Sandov
      Sandov April 15 2014 15: 41
      0
      Quote: Kornilovist
      When asked whether the United States could send weapons to the Ukrainian security forces, T. Shannon said: "Of course, we see this as one of the options."

      Well, as promised, the Americans are starting a civil war in UKRAINE.
  9. nalim
    nalim April 15 2014 12: 41
    +5
    What kind of brothers are they? Sold your soul to Satan. The Americans are already directly giving directions for the destruction of the Russians in the southeast.
  10. Weniamin
    Weniamin April 15 2014 12: 42
    +5
    Well, this is the author bent. Compared Kolchak with Bandera. Kolchak was primarily a explorer and a seaman, and Bandera was originally an executioner.
    1. dalekiy
      dalekiy April 15 2014 14: 08
      +3
      I'm not happy with Kolchak, to be honest. But really it is impossible to compare with Bandera.
    2. acute
      acute April 15 2014 14: 57
      0
      Kolchak has always been Kolchak. And the atrocities committed by him in Siberia have no analogues
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru April 15 2014 17: 33
        0
        Quote: akut
        Kolchak has always been Kolchak. And the atrocities committed by him in Siberia have no analogues

        Yeah, that’s why Bela Kun and Rosa Zalkind tried to beat him in Crimea in November 1920. Countrywoman became the first woman awarded the Order of the Red Banner. Guess three times for what?
  11. gunter_laux
    gunter_laux April 15 2014 12: 42
    +5
    Really sad, and then Turchinov (fürer) declared the start of a civil war in the north of Donetsk region, which is doubly sad ...
  12. rumatam
    rumatam April 15 2014 12: 43
    +2
    pure Ukrainian opinion
  13. dirty trick
    dirty trick April 15 2014 12: 47
    +3
    article minus!
    despite the fact that the southeast needs to be supported anyway, "talks in favor of the poor" that
    You can not oppose Russian Ukrainians and Ukrainians - Russian

    clearly harmful
    we do not oppose it-and dolb..e Nazis from Lviv!
    author for reference - unlike Bandera, Kolchak (no matter how you relate to this character) did not swear allegiance to a foreign state
  14. Andrey82
    Andrey82 April 15 2014 12: 48
    +2
    Ukrainians easily converge with Russians, but Ukrainian students have been absent from us for twenty years ...
    -------------------------------------------------- ---
    And why do millions of migrants from the south come to us, instead of strengthening ties with those who share the same blood with us?
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 April 15 2014 13: 21
      +2
      YES BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER!
      1. Sandov
        Sandov April 15 2014 15: 44
        0
        Quote: aleks700
        YES BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER!

        To whom? Capital - yes. There are no people. And we are one people.
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul April 15 2014 16: 24
          0
          To whom? Capital - yes.
          And we, dear, under what social order do we live? it’s right - capitalistic, and globoko’s capital doesn’t give a damn about the family ties of peoples, it’s right said above, from where it is cheaper to import labor, from there capital will carry it! hi
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  15. naGua
    naGua April 15 2014 12: 49
    +5
    And I will repeat again and again Ukrainians and Russians, one people! Little Russia. From the XIV to the XV century, the lands of the Galician-Volyn principality were called so. Since VIX, all the lands of present-day Ukraine, with the exception, perhaps, of Donbass. And Little Russia was a historical region of Russia. At least until the beginning of the XNUMXth century. You can artificially divide peoples as much as you like, but the unnaturalness and artificiality of this action are visible.
    Excerpt from the dictionary of Brockhaus and Efron: "The name of Little Russia usually means the current Chernigov and Poltava provinces, but in the historical sense the concept of Little Russia is much broader; it embraced, moreover, the present South-Western region (that is, the provinces of Kiev, Podolsk and Volyn) , sometimes entering the present Galicia, Bessarabia, Kherson region. By the Dnieper River Little Russia was divided into the right bank and the left bank. On this territory during the specific veche period there existed the princedoms of Chernigov-Seversk, Pereyaslavskoe, Kiev, Volyn, Podolsk princedoms of Galyrovsk, in part, and the princedoms of Galyrov. "
    It is worth noting that there is no mention of Donbass at all, I take the modern name. For the reason that he was generally part of the full composition of the Russian Empire. The authors of the encyclopedic edition did not even mention this, considering this fact natural and in the order of things. To say that Russians and Ukrainians are different peoples with different cultures is as stupid as comparing residents of, say, the Moscow and Vologda regions. and what! Muscovites "a-cabins", and Vologda residents "o-cabins". And what is different culture? Naturally, this example is deliberately exaggerated, but the meaning is the same. Everyone lives in one big house called the Eastern Slavs, the neighbors can also be different! And if someone's brains are off the hook, then straighten the tube!
    As for Kolchak, I personally have a difficult relationship with him as a historical person. I repeat and join the words of V.S. Pikulya that before the revolution he was a great explorer of the Arctic, a hydrograph, a brilliant officer, naval commander. And after the revolution he became the executioner of his people.
    I apologize for the somewhat confused text. Issued what is called, burnt!
    1. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 April 15 2014 16: 12
      -1
      About Kolchak: do not believe Soviet propaganda! He might have made mistakes, but - certainly - he went his life worthily.
      1. dmb
        dmb April 15 2014 16: 28
        +1
        You can certainly not believe it. You can of course believe a cheap series with soldiers falling to their knees with emotion, looking at Kolchak. Here are just Soviet propaganda based on fact; drove Kolchak and Kolchak to the very blue sea. And on what the conviction about his nobility, shown in the civil war, is based on, I personally do not know.
  16. Niki
    Niki April 15 2014 12: 51
    +3
    Once upon a time, a friend of mine, having drunk the proper amount of vodka, gazed steadily at the faces of drinking companions, exclaimed: let's talk about God!

    And so it happened in this article: they started for health, but finished ...?
  17. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx April 15 2014 12: 54
    +4
    I don't know who in Russia "reveres" the traitor Solzhenitsyn. I personally hate him !!!
  18. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 15 2014 12: 55
    +2
    The artificial division of our people is apparently coming to an end. The Russian authorities should take an active part in this. The people, as you know, is a source of power, and the people demand help to part of our people in Ukraine to avoid destruction. And if, the people in our power only contemplate how they destroy our people, then they run the risk of losing power, they will be replaced by real patriots.
  19. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 15 2014 12: 56
    +1
    priest confession.
  20. Azzzwer
    Azzzwer April 15 2014 12: 57
    +2
    Quote: "The Russian elite must step over their class rejection of what is happening in the East of Ukraine and support the popular social uprising that is unfolding there." Back in the last century, the classics of Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism proved that there is nothing more international than capitalism. For the sake of their predatory interests, preservation of their power, their wealth, the so-called "Russian elite" will enthusiastically watch as the pro-Western Kiev junta drown the socialist revolution in the South-East in blood! Do not delude yourself that Putin is so good. Like: "How can you eat! He added Crimea!" Now, if the uprising in the South-East were led by local oligarchs who agreed with Putin on the division of spheres of influence in the rebellious SE, then yes, it would be like in the Crimea! And in this case, when the initiative coming from the bottom, from the people, is headed by the same people who come from the people (as an example, the chosen head of Slavyansk, after the "marshi" women escaped from there), they cannot be supported in any way, except by verbal rhetoric from the Russian authorities will be! Remember how in the period before the referendum in Crimea a wave of ostentatious rallies swept across Russia? I am sure that the people who came to these rallies were sincerely in solidarity with the Crimeans, but I also know that these rallies were organized at the suggestion of those in power! Why don't we see the same wave of rallies in support of the people of the South-East now? That's the same! The authorities are not comfortable when the common people on their own initiative support the same common people !!! Hence the conclusion, or SOCIALISM or DEATH!
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 April 15 2014 13: 31
      +1
      Here! How right you are!
  21. Kurkin
    Kurkin April 15 2014 12: 58
    0
    Yes, Ukrainians are a people with a special culture and their own tradition of forming a state. Yes, they have their own national identity, a separate and very strong Cossack tradition. So I would stop repeating that Ukrainians are Russians. But Russians and Ukrainians are very close to each other, and it is no coincidence that marriages between them are especially strong.
    Here Maxim is wrong, it is felt that the Ukrainization hurt him, moreover, carried out in the days of the USSR. Everyone who thinks in the Russian language, that is, carries out their mental activity, and speaks the Russian language - Russian.
    The Russian government cannot step over itself. She created in our country a system of oligarchic capital that dominates the rest of the people, and it is difficult for her to maintain the socialist component of the protest of the East of Ukraine. Our state is not socialist and treats the left with suspicion (to those left who do not run to the Kremlin for advice). The capitalist part of the Russian government is afraid not only of the Makhnovist, anarchist, but also the red banner of the social revolution that is rising in the east of Ukraine.
    And here I agree. And our liberals in the government are afraid that the demands of social justice and nationalization will be transferred to the territory of the Russian Federation. Although inside the country these requirements have long been roaming around like mash, and the glove on the bottle has already been swollen! Only our media (SMRAD) are silent about this in every way.
    In the working regions of Ukraine, socialist sentiments, while spontaneous, so far unconscious fully in the language of political struggle, are especially strong. In Russian society, left-wing tendencies and left-wing parties are also becoming stronger, and this allows us to support the fighting Luhansk, Donetsk, and Kharkov from the point of view of class interests.
    Give the Russian People's Socialist Republic "Novorossiya"! Give social justice and nationalization of natural resources in the Russian Federation! I am for it!
    1. dalekiy
      dalekiy April 15 2014 14: 10
      0
      Ukraine as a separate state is initially Bismarck's dream. Russian to Russian throats cut, and Germany rubbed his hands and tidy up his hands that is bad.
      1. Kurkin
        Kurkin April 15 2014 16: 59
        0
        I agree, but in these realities, it is better to have an independent friendly republic of Novorossia within the union state of Russia - Belarus - Novorossia than the stigma of the aggressor and occupier. In the south-east of Ukraine, after all, not everything is so simple, not everyone without exception wants to be part of the Russian Federation. Although, if the junta spills a lot of blood in the SE, I think many doubters will change their position.
  22. individual
    individual April 15 2014 12: 59
    +1
    "I would create a multi-billion dollar fund, give grants to Ukrainian students, regardless of where they are from - from Kiev, from the East or West. Let the young come to us."
    fellow
    Maxim, what are you talking about?
    They will not object to funds.
    The study of Soros textbooks and the inculcated Western ideology of an entire generation of zapadents completely rejects the commonality of Russian and Ivano-Frankivsk - Lviv culture. Our Orthodoxy and their faith in do not understand what.
    Remember their "who does not jump ..." and "... to the gilyak" !!!
    Yes, with the normalization of relations between Russia and Ukraine, it will take two or three generations to "heal" our wounds sprinkled with salt from their Bendery nationalism and denial of the saint - the common Great Victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1945.
    For the symbol of victory "St. George's Ribbon" Ukrainians beat Ukrainians.
    The insanity of young people placed at the service of nationalism and fascism, the racial superiority of the lords and cattle.
    Let Ukraine go its historical way, and whoever wants to always hear the voice of Russia.
  23. Azzzwer
    Azzzwer April 15 2014 13: 01
    +3
    And I’ll say according to the article. Started for health, finished for peace!
  24. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 15 2014 13: 02
    0
    From this perspective, the events in Ukraine have not yet been viewed. In any case, I have not met. If the Kremlin realizes that in reality this is not a question of the self-preservation of the Russian-speaking southeast, but a socialist revolution, then I do not even undertake to predict the consequences. Profiteers and hucksters quickly find a common language against the workers and peasants. But regarding Kolchak and Solzhenitsyn, it is correct. The first defended the hucksters, and the second pushed. The world is really simple. There are cartoons in YouTube "TO 420" on this topic. Look in the absence of women and children.
  25. RUSS
    RUSS April 15 2014 13: 14
    +1
    We even shot a film about Kolchak, almost like a saint, but how does it differ from Bandera?

    Comparing Kolchak with Bandera is to a lesser extent incorrect and historically incorrect, Bandera can be compared with Vlasov and other traitors and enemies, and did not expect such an article from Shevchenko at all, it seems that his spring aggravation mixed up with all the information that was pleasant in the end and the article was born neither about what.
    1. acute
      acute April 15 2014 15: 57
      +1
      Bandera can not be compared with Vlasov. Bandera never served the USSR. He never betrayed his ideas about Ukraine. Another thing is what these concepts were. But Shevchenko, as I think, still has not decided who he is with. Or with Donetsk or Kiev. He is Ukrainian and everything that is characteristic of Ukrainians is characteristic of him
  26. Aleksandr65
    Aleksandr65 April 15 2014 13: 18
    +2
    [b] separate and very strong Cossack tradition [/ b

    Cossacks in Galicia ?! Okst, author! But it was from there that the nation itself and its history trampled.
  27. tnship2
    tnship2 April 15 2014 13: 31
    +1
    Moscow must strengthen Orthodox unity: it unites us with Ukraine. In addition, we could attract Ukrainian youth to Russia as students. I would create a multi-billion dollar fund, give grants to Ukrainian students, regardless of where they came from Kiev, from the East or the West. Let the young come to us, as once my grandparents came to Moscow. Ukrainians easily converge with Russians, but Ukrainian students have not been with us for twenty years. \\\\\\\\\\\\ How much should we ??????
  28. Agent 008
    Agent 008 April 15 2014 13: 33
    +2
    I do not agree with Shevchenko that he writes: "The media are inciting Russians against Ukrainians, and Ukrainians against Russians." I would not say that about OUR media, I have TV and the Internet on from morning to evening, and I do not see any pitfalls ... On the contrary, I began to treat Ukrainians in the southeast with great respect ... Well, with Bandera in western ukraine, everything is clear anyway, they actually cause hatred, but this is a response to their attitude towards us Russians ...
  29. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 15 2014 13: 43
    +2
    Yes, they have their own national identity, a separate and very strong Cossack tradition.
    In the Don, Kuban, Terek and other similar regions, the identity is similar ... and they are not Russian ..
    Three years ago, Tkachev, the governor of the Krasnodar Territory, set the task for Kuban scientists to prove that the Cossacks are the most ancient people on earth, and at the lessons of local history, they study the Kuban language ... Here you have the self-awareness, here you have the traditions ..
    1. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey April 15 2014 13: 56
      +4
      EEE, you respected cretinism with self-awareness, please do not confuse me, you are still an example of self-consciousness of Novodvorskaya and other living people, without regaining consciousness, it’s insulting that stupidity is often manifested when they break through to the top and crap from the top.
  30. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. April 15 2014 13: 51
    +1
    Regarding the oligarchs, the author is right, but I don’t agree otherwise. We need good neighborly relations and adequacy, otherwise they have their own wedding, we have our own. There is a separate conversation about the Southeast, people themselves started to resolve issues and I think that’s they will succeed.
  31. promt26
    promt26 April 15 2014 13: 55
    +2
    The author believes that in the current situation, Russia has a lot of time to forge the population of the West and the Center of Ukraine. We have nowhere to put up more money, as soon as we invest in the grandees associated with the development of the Russian idea. We have a situation that we did not provoke, as well as a rapidly passing picture of what is happening. Everything is hot, it burns my fingers. The world’s master has said simply and clearly twice: we will agree until the moment of reconciliation of forces in the Southeast. And is this a contrast between Russians and Ukrainians and vice versa? The author does not delve into, or pretends to see the situation differently. In short, minus from me! negative
  32. Luzhichanin
    Luzhichanin April 15 2014 14: 00
    +2
    this Shevchenko is the same weather vane: he never has his own opinion in discussions, always takes over the opinion of the majority or more intelligent interlocutors, for zero in politics and frank Russophobe
  33. ural70
    ural70 April 15 2014 14: 23
    +2
    My minus article for comparing the BAND and Bandera
  34. Cappit
    Cappit April 15 2014 14: 25
    +4
    Guys, explain to me the dark one:
    1. Who is this "famous journalist"? Judging by the terms he uses: "the red banner of social revolution", "class interests", "dispossessed people", "people turned into slaves," he is a communist of unclouded, pure water. But then what have the Orthodox values ​​to which he is appealing?
    2. How can you compare Kolchak and Bandera in your right mind, put the hero of the Russian Empire and the fascist ka on the same board?
    3. Who in Russia do we respect the political avenue of the Solzhenitsyn Institute?
    4. Do we have so much money to spend billions on training Ukrainian citizens?
    5. Why in general Shevchenko got out with this "interview" - just to be promoted?
    1. acute
      acute April 15 2014 16: 02
      +1
      contradicts itself. Twenty years ago, Kolchak was considered at least not a hero
      1. acute
        acute April 15 2014 16: 04
        0
        And yet, there are no perfect people. Each has both good and bad. Moreover, different people consider the good to be bad and vice versa
  35. Quantum
    Quantum April 15 2014 14: 32
    +2
    Pan Shevchenko is wrong! Compare Kolchak with the miserable insignificance of Bandera!
    Shevchenko’s eyes are evil and give off overt Russophobia.
    1. acute
      acute April 15 2014 16: 05
      +2
      there is such a sinner behind him
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  38. Dubox
    Dubox April 15 2014 14: 49
    0
    for some reason, this is our answer they began to remove from YouTube
    1. acute
      acute April 15 2014 15: 52
      +1
      We are not brothers to the Nazis. You sang right
  39. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever April 15 2014 14: 55
    +3
    I am for the fact that there was a measure in everything. The author of the article condemned Solzhenitsyn. By the way, personally, I do not love him, Solzhenitsyn did not love the people, but himself in them, narcissistic like his wife and excessively on his own mind - otherwise the United States would not bother him with the Nobel Prize - and here, as always, two in one - money Europe, and the pebble in the USSR - economists, in general, is similar to the right defender and old woman from his time, Lyudka Alekseev, who still tells tales about American happiness in Russia. But the trouble is, and Maxim does the same and is very similar - and for journalism this is not the best way to remain a journalist. It is important for any journalist to convey today's information impartially - and let others draw conclusions - for example, we are in our comments. Journalism ethics is impartiality. I like Maxim, but I "minus" this article. Maxim - walk on the edge of a knife, but keep your balance - this is the aerobatics of a journalist and fortunately we have such - praise YOU
  40. nvn_co
    nvn_co April 15 2014 15: 12
    0
    These are the "national-svidomye" came and all razrash ... whether. Then they began to impose on us the culture of Europe, Greek Catholicism, Catholicism. Then some Orthodox Svidomo took and disconnected from the real Orthodox faith. Then in the churches where the massacre was ruled by the Old Slavs they began to do ... Let Svidomo sit and preach their national Svidomo. Our national Svidomo formed over the centuries. And there were always Ukrainian, Russian and Belarusian, and as soon as such svidomye appeared, then right there right there: the Mongols, the Tivton, the Poles, then the Swedes, then some ...., then the junta.
  41. nikcris
    nikcris April 15 2014 15: 27
    +1
    "I would create a multi-billion dollar fund, give grants to Ukrainian students, regardless of where they come from."


    Create, who's stopping?
  42. saag
    saag April 15 2014 16: 02
    0
    It’s right about education, all the troubles in the world are caused by a lack of education, and there is a proletariat in Ukraine - miners in the first place, a very good base
    1. Rohon
      Rohon April 15 2014 18: 06
      0
      It's not about education, but about education ...
  43. 1812 1945
    1812 1945 April 15 2014 16: 05
    0
    The fact that Russian oligarchic capitalism is a poor assistant in solving the problem of confrontation in Ukraine is absolutely true! The current system in Russia is fatal for Russia itself. This explains the unjustified concessions to the West - alas - not only in economic matters. (What is the entry into the WTO worth ?!) As for historical figures ... - Shevchenko would not have to judge them ...
  44. wax
    wax April 15 2014 16: 21
    0
    It is amazing how many minuses are set against a completely adequate assessment of what is happening in Ukraine itself and on our part. After all, the point is really not about geopolitics, but about the failure of the capitalist choice of the country's development after socialism. It’s just that in Ukraine it was revealed most vividly and relatively quickly. We are talking about the actual development of all crackling slogans into sacramental issues of social justice, which are hushed up by absolutely everyone, including our politicians, deputies, the media ..., because otherwise, the journalists will not drive Mercedes of the latest models, have very good real estate, officials will not grab one's throat, oligarchs and bankers will work, not grind their hairs and bang in Courchevel, clowns who fill the scenes will not have locks in the Canaries, the Serdyukovs and Vasilievs would already be serving part of the term, healthcare would be available, in schools they would study science, not political science, etc. In honor would be scientists, military, workers, all who create, not parasitize. We would be more victorious than Ukraine, and we would have precisely the protest of the socialist type. It is on these expectations of the people that the 5th column is parasitic.
  45. fif21
    fif21 April 15 2014 16: 33
    -2
    Article +. If you accept the point of view of the author, then much becomes understandable. The people rose in the southeast, and the people who are able to defend their interests with weapons are scared of the Kremlin. There is practically no middle class there, and ordinary people driven to despair are of interest to the Russian bourgeoisie only as a gratuitous labor force. Hence Lavrov’s statement that Russia does not pretend to the southeast. And the southeast will not receive real help from Russia. It is in Russia's interests to have a capitalist country as a neighbor, whose economy depends on Russia. The rest is emotions. The position of Russia is EXPECT.
  46. koshh
    koshh April 15 2014 16: 38
    0
    Quote "Solzhenitsyn, revered in Russia, by the way, sang the Banderaites and the Bandera resistance in the" Gulag Archipelago "in this way."
    Solzhenitsin's only work "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" is short and juicy, and "The Gulag Archipelago", as Vasily Shukshin said, "The Book is Too Thick," consisting of continuous repetitions.
    And revered by whom?
    Can the Archipelago be compared with Shalomov's Kolyma Tales?
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 16 2014 01: 07
      +2
      Quote: koshh
      Can the Archipelago be compared with Shalomov's Kolyma Tales?

      Have you ever wondered why V. Shalamov went through "the entire Kolyma", how he managed to slaughter thieves in law with red thieves, and then vice versa?
  47. sv68
    sv68 April 15 2014 17: 17
    0
    article with rotten. put a minus but the pan author earned them more — as always the most extreme Russians — so delirious to read such nonsense. if you’re such a clever-shuruy in Kiev, explain to the junta that they at least scum just don’t smell towards Russia
  48. Victor1
    Victor1 April 15 2014 19: 26
    0
    this Shevchenko is still Russophobian TV * r, the gallows crying on it ..
  49. w2000
    w2000 April 15 2014 22: 51
    0
    In our country, as well as in Ukraine for 23 years of rotten oligarchic power, propaganda and lies, history books and films financed by Western foundations have formed a whole generation of duped people, with brainwashed, with an Orthodox-nationalist mess in their heads. And our Yaroslav fascists, waving imperial rags, singing scum like Kolchak, Denikin and Vlasov, are no better than Bandera. The Putin oligarchic clique is afraid of a real popular liberation movement, because they are shaking for their illegally seized factories, mines and ships. That is why they are trying to fit the situation into the mainstream of nationalism, the Russian idea and Orthodoxy because these ideas are safe for their bourgeois-capitalist power.