Why? The reasons for the defeat of the Red Army at the beginning of the war

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Hundreds, thousands of books, articles were written about the initial period of the Great Patriotic War, films were made, and many “copies” were broken in various disputes. But still there is a question - how so? Why is the powerful Red Army possessing, as it turned out in the last two decades, a large number tanks, aircraft, could not survive on its borders and allowed the enemy to break through to Leningrad, to Moscow, to the Volga?



The anti-Stalinists have a simple answer: they say, the Stalin regime is to blame for everything — destroyed the best commanders, believed Hitler, did not believe intelligence, poorly prepared the army, etc. But archival documents and recent research by Russian authors (for example, you can read the ") They say the opposite: there was no accurate intelligence data, there was a huge amount of conflicting information; Army, economy, society was prepared for war for real (without concessions). The “purge” of the officer corps did not worsen the combat capability of the country's officer corps, but rather increased, the opportunists were repressed, drunkards were fired, and so on; real military commanders, who had gone through military school, from the simple soldier to the division commander and corps, came to the fore. About this, for example, you can read in the book of Igor Pykhalov "The Great Slandered War."

In the field of diplomacy, the USSR also showed itself from the best side, having won a number of victories on the diplomatic (foreign policy) front: the issue of the security of Leningrad was resolved, the borders were significantly pushed to the west, they returned a number of their territories, they won time for preparation. Militarily, the Red Army gained experience of fighting in Spain, on Hasan, Khalkin-Gol, in China, in Poland, in the war with Finland, despite all the cruelty of it, but without such a “school” you cannot learn to fight.

An interesting version was put forward by the writer Yuri Mukhin, he suggested that one of the main factors of the defeat of the initial period of the war was the so-called “problem of the military class”. This is not only a disease of the Red Army, this problem originated in the Russian Empire, passing by inheritance to the USSR, and then to the Russian Federation. Its essence is as follows: after the nobles were given the opportunity not to serve, or to serve immediately as an officer, the officer corps of the empire began to degenerate. Prior to this, commanders began their service from the bottom (for example, Peter I forced the aristocracy’s children to serve with soldiers and sailors), so Suvorov and Kutuzov were “fathers” to their soldiers. They thoroughly knew their psychology, ate with them, slept with them, stood in the same line, "did not bow to the bullets," they were an indisputable authority for the soldiers, they were loved, believed in them and were ready to perform any task. After the elimination of this system, the mass of inexperienced people, often opportunists and careerists, became officers. For them, the army was a place of "warm", status life, a place of making a career. This was one of the main reasons for the defeat in the Crimean War, when terrible vices were uncovered behind external brilliance and window dressing, when real heroes (such as Kornilov, Nakhimov, Istomin, hundreds of thousands of officers and fighters) died to correct the mistakes of others and prevent empire catastrophes. This was the cause of the protracted Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878, the defeat of the Russian-Japanese 1904-1905, the failures of the First World War. And it became the cause of catastrophic failures in the Great Patriotic War. The main reasons Mukhin calls are incompetence, cowardice, lack of will, lack of professionalism of higher commanders. And even a direct betrayal. Thus, according to Yuri Mukhin, the command of the Western Military District (Front), Pavlov and K., simply allowed the destruction of forces standing on the Central Strategic Direction. Opening the way to Smolensk and Moscow.

Why? The reasons for the defeat of the Red Army at the beginning of the war

Yuri Mukhin

Otherwise, it is difficult to explain why the border guards were not ready for an attack, the Baltic and Black Sea fleets were on alert, the Kiev military district withstood the strike and even counterattacked, and a catastrophe occurred in Belarus.

But apparently, after all, the main cause of the catastrophe of the initial period is the power of the blow. He would not have survived any of the existing armies at the time. To withstand such a blow, it was necessary to be the Red Army of the 1944-1945 model. People, including a significant part of the commanders, did not have the psychological readiness to die, but not to retreat. A part (everyone knows the heroic example of the Brest Fortress, and there are quite a few such examples) survived and fought until the last gasp. And the majority, especially where there were no passionaries (in Russian, fierce, full of vitality), able to lead and inspire mortal combat, retreated and surrendered. Even on the columns led by the prisoners, everything is clear - if there are no people who will lead the attack on a few escorts, the rest will simply go to the slaughterhouse.

This confirms and Wehrmacht's complete superiority on the main thrusts is 3-x-5-multiple superiority in manpower and technology.

It is also very important that Wehrmacht soldiers were already at warrather than peaceful (like most of the Red Army), they have already “tasted blood” in Poland, Norway, France, Yugoslavia, and Greece. They had a psychological willingness to kill, Were absolutely sure that we were right - It is very important in battle, to be absolutely confident in your strength. They are the highest race, and against them "subhuman orcs," the program worked.

But soon the situation changed, their family memory awoke in the Russians, they again became Warriors. The Russian people, Russia cannot be defeated on their territory, in open battle, the Russian Spirit has awakened, and all the deceitful programs of the Nazis did not withstand its strikes.



Sources of:
Great Debated War - 2. Under the general ed. A. Dyukova. M., 2008.
Isaev A. Antisuvorov. Ten myths of World War II. M. 2006.
Lebedintsev A.Z., Mukhin Yu.I. Fathers commanders. M., 2004.
Mukhin Yu. If not for the generals! Problems of the military class. - M., 2006.
Mukhin Yu.I. Crusade to the East - M., 2004.
Pykhalov I. The Great Obolgannaya war. M, 2006.
Human factor. Under total ed. Yu. I. Mukhina. M., 2003.
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  1. +1
    April 23 2011 10: 47
    Bullshit!!!
    To the writer this face to fill.
  2. 0
    April 23 2011 10: 58
    Mista_dj,
    argue what you do not specifically agree with and why ...
  3. Vladimir
    +2
    April 23 2011 12: 02
    I will not fantasize about the "military class", this is the lot of writers. And as a professional military man I will write that the USSR just fell between. Between the beginning and the end of the reform and rearmament. A West German in 1940 would not have gone beyond the "old" border of 1918, which the USSR reached after the annexation of the Baltic States and Western Ukraine with Belarus. If he had attacked in the summer of 1942, he would not have gone more than 50 km from it. The rearmament program was calculated until the spring of 1942. These plans were built also because no one expected. that the French, Poles, their ally the British, the Belgians, the Czechs will surrender in bulk in 4-6 weeks. All analysts, intelligence, politicians assumed that the French army, which is 2 times superior to the German army, would hold out for at least a year or 2. The Czechs, also possessing a powerful army, did not fight at all, they simply surrendered, and the Poles lost the war in 2 weeks. We did not have time. Figuratively speaking, they removed from the old place of deployment, and not only did not dig in at the new one, they did not reach it at all. Were on the march. And what does it mean to hit the enemy on the march with concentrated strikes from three sides, a person even with primitive military knowledge will answer - kickass.

    "Barbarossa" a month after the signing by Hitler lay on Stalin's table. But any sober politician, even not very smart, would never dare to attack the USSR, leaving behind a smoldering hemorrhoid in the face of England. It would be more logical and correct to first crush England, clear North Africa and the Mediterranean from their fleet, occupy the Scandinavians, secure the rear and flanks, possible opposition from behind, and only then attack the USSR. This point of view was widespread in those years among our leadership and generals, and not only ours. Churchill pissed with boiling water out of fear, asked to unite with the USSR. And she was logically justified and correct. No, that's how it came out.
  4. turnip
    turnip
    +1
    April 23 2011 12: 54
    frames decide everything - golden words comrade Stalin
    1. a guest
      a guest
      0
      9 June 2011 23: 13
      in something he is right, in 1986, two Chinese tank regiments dispersed 10 thousand
      "Democrats" on the square in Beijing, and in 1991 the two best motorized divisions
      the ussr did not cope with 350 "defenders of the white house" (as
      Chairman of the KGB of hooks - there was no one to give a written order)
  5. cubarelle
    +1
    April 23 2011 15: 31
    Vladimir
    that surpassing the German army by 2 times the French will last at least a year or 2.

    Germany attacked Poland on September 1, 1939. The USSR occupied part of Poland on September 17, 1939. That is, even then, between the USSR and Germany there was only a small part of Poland. So much for 2 years before the war.
    France capitulated on June 16, 1940. There you have it, 1 year before the start of the war. There was time, but at that moment the Baltic countries joined the USSR.
    And everything is going well, because there is a Molotov-Ribbentrop friendly pact with Germany, and Germany will not dare to attack the USSR (in theory). And here again, Germany chose the right moment and dealt a crushing blow, from which the USSR was recovering for 2 years. That's all. Normal divorce.

    Shake your hand, smile, and hold a loaded pistol behind your back.
  6. Yuri Kuznetsov
    -2
    April 23 2011 15: 45
    Defeats at the beginning of the war were needed by the System as air. Without them, she would not have accomplished her task; the entire ten-year preparation-provocation of the war would have gone down the drain with all its effectiveness. All Russian wars are a provocation of Russia itself, or at least a special avoidance of all the possibilities to prevent a war. The purpose of Russian wars is to rebuild the people, to shoot the most active, honest representatives of culture - dangerous for the imperial destructive system. By provoking wars and famines, the Russian System is saved as two main and reliable tools to strengthen its power. In Russian wars, the people invariably lose, but the System wins - http://newsland.ru/News/Detail/id/498128/cat/42/ If there weren’t the first defeats (which were by no means only in the Second World War), then this would be It would be something like the Finnish war, which System did not give the right to shoot a significant part of the population, and to intimidate the rest.
    And right now?
  7. Dmitriy
    0
    April 23 2011 17: 57
    When I read the statements of the bogus Mukhin and such "Yuriev Kuznetsovs", I get a strong feeling that they both use the same herb (very thermonuclear smile ) -This is everywhere conspiracy and seem. One conspiracy of traitors, another conspiracy of bloody gebni.
    In my opinion, the activities of Stalin before the war not only knocked out a huge number of officers (there’s another story about their quality), but also deprived the remaining ones of initiative. To think independently is dangerous, act contrary to the orders of the authorities is deadly. They said that there will be no war, and to hell with him, that in front of your division, beyond the river, the Germans are warming up the engines on the tanks, don’t hang out. They said to attack on June 23, 1941, and to hell with it with a real situation, the bosses know better. But Guderian did not expect any directives from Berlin, and acted according to circumstances. Here and the whole secret of our defeats.

  8. Vladimir
    0
    April 23 2011 19: 16
    cubarelle,
    You need to read more if you undertake to discuss military history. Yes, on September 1 Germany attacked Poland, which had allied relations with Britain and France. Those, having thought for 2 days on the 3rd, declared war on Germany. And they fell asleep. "Strange war" - as it was called in the West. France had about 4 thousand aircraft, and in a 100-kilometer zone along its borders with Germany there were large industrial centers - Cologne, Bonn, Duisburg, Essen, Dusseldorf. What is the total radius of 100 km for an airplane? This is a full combat load of beavers and escort of fighters along the entire route. Later, Jodl wrote that if the British and French had hit at least half of their capabilities, Germany would have been defeated. Our intelligence knew 100% that after Poland, the Germans would trample on Belgium-France, therefore it was planned to work quietly according to the five-year rearmament plan 1938-1942 but France surrendered after 6 weeks.
    Yurik Kuznetsov, can you reveal your highly intellectual thoughts? Somehow to substantiate or prove. Or is it so highly intelligent that you are hesitant to publish your thoughts, afraid to be an incomprehensible genius? Or just farted from a hangover?
  9. figwam
    figwam
    0
    April 23 2011 23: 56
    But we won!
    Imagine a war of this magnitude tomorrow morning.
    Live our army for 2 weeks.
    And you say Stalin.
    Since 1991, when we exchanged the country for jeans and chewing gum, we can no longer participate in major conflicts, the army just ... if!
  10. jorick_stoma
    jorick_stoma
    0
    April 24 2011 01: 14
    Americans and even Chinese will not be able to participate in the big war, even though I think they will be able to last, but with a stretch ...
  11. Ungern Sternberg
    0
    April 24 2011 01: 54
    The answer must be sought in Soviet collaborationism .. Millions of people fought against the Communists and Jews. If you look at the agitation and leaflets of those times, then communism there is clearly assessed as a fabrication of the Jews.
    Beat the Jew of the political instructor asks for a brick face - a very effective way of influencing the soldiers of the Red Army, many of which are known to have been terry anti-Semites ..
    Khivi, ROA, White emigre units, Russian, Estonian, Latvian SS divisions, just policemen, etc. etc.
    The number of collaborators with the occupation regime also went into the millions.
    The peasant boys recruited into the army clearly did not like collective farms, harvesting, dispossession and workdays ...
    If you think about it, it was the Communists who were their main enemies .. The conditions that they created in the village, their system of terror, calculation and condemnation of the spikelets of course caused hatred.
    VKP (b) -SECOND FORTRESS LAW (of the Bolsheviks) ... Not to mention the destruction of Orthodoxy and everything else.
    Yes, there were heroes of the Brest Fortress, Gastello and Podillian cadets, but the bulk did not want to die for the enemy system. The army fled and surrendered. Millions of prisoners, thousands of defectors, that's why we lost. They did not want to fight for the CPSU (b). .
    The Germans were greeted as liberators. For example, there were lines at hairdressing salons in Moscow, when the Nazis were about to enter the capital.
    Do not possess Comrade Stalin’s iron will and a large number of resources, everything could have turned out differently. Yes, and soon the army itself realized that it was bringing Nazism to us and began to fight really, stubbornly and bravely ..

    As for the officer corps.
    1) The officers of the Russian army praised by aristocrats led the regiments of dark, ignorant and beaten half-blood Russian slaves into battle for Vera, Tsar (Tsaritsa) and the Fatherland, who left their village without knowing where their right hand was and where their left was, from the village where they had nothing they didn’t see except a piece of bread and plowed on the corvee, while their gentleman General Golitsyn smoked in St. Petersburg with a guard, made mistresses in high society, rode to Europe and lost the villages and slaves to cards .. And the barinok, at the age of 17, entered the regiment as a lieutenant he served somewhere on his estate (it was like that with mother Frau Catherine). Those who left for 25 years (forever) as soldiers who didn’t see anything good from the Fatherland were clogged by sergeants, they were starving, they had nothing but their uniforms (thanks to Pavel, even though they were overcoat introduced) and hundreds of thousands died from bullets, illnesses, exhaustion. Great commanders could lose as many soldiers in battles as they could, they could fill up enemies with corpses, they recruited quite a few, and the lives of these soldiers cost nothing .. That's just a form of pity for that.
    There are many reasons to be proud of our military history ..

    2) and in the Wehrmacht, it means officers served as soldiers since childhood ??? If one coward is incompetent, then the other is brave and clever .. Officers are different people in the Wehrmacht and in the Red Army ..
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  13. Dmitriy
    0
    April 24 2011 09: 46
    Catch examples from the "great" writer Savin. And nothing that before the march to the Eastern region, the western ones trampled the pre-eastern ones, tore the western-western ones and kicked the seacoast ones with kicks. And the eastern ones, which were led, by the way, by the greatest Pakhan of all districts, continued to drink beer, although they remained practically the only ones who were not "served" by the western ones. Do not you think that the place of such a Pahan is near the bucket?
  14. Pribalt
    Pribalt
    0
    April 24 2011 10: 13
    The greatest secret of the USSR - "friendship of peoples" in the first hour of the Second World War, the Lithuanian stole the new codes of the Red Army and gave them to the Germans. The RKKA was led for a whole week not by Zhukov or Satalin, but by corporal Adolf Aloizovich. Only on the Dnieper, Russians who are in charge of it. The whole secret.
  15. cabin boy
    0
    April 25 2011 00: 49
    for Dmitry
    I repeat again, before you throw a poop, read the book!
    And the place at the bucket is always reserved for sixes who are ready to dump their mother in shit for a pack of cookies and a jar of jam.
    for Priebalt
    Tell your children about the "great Lithuanian hero" before bed to increase their self-esteem
  16. Wilno nasza
    Wilno nasza
    0
    April 25 2011 11: 49
    Vladimir, it’s not likely. Agree that there were few hunters to protect the collective farm paradises on Tabovshun. To what extent the Jewish communists have brought this great people in 20 years "... all the time.
  17. Passing
    0
    April 25 2011 15: 41
    Wilno nasza & Co .:
    Following your strange logic, the French, Czech, Polish and other European people were under even more monstrous oppression, because they cowardly scattered from the Wehrmacht, barely hearing the first shots ...
  18. Escander
    0
    April 25 2011 19: 35
    Ungern Sternberg

    Recklessly reasoning, student Mamkin, m.
    Smart little? But why don’t you go to the army and discourage others (from your previous comments)?
    And he argues here about the reasons for the defeat!
    Yes, because there were so many people like you in the army, here’s one of the reasons for you, smart guy! And then they either surrendered or were shot, I realized, yes!
  19. Ungern Sternberg
    0
    April 26 2011 04: 04
    Escander,

    Dear Escander, do you call on people to join the Russian army ???
    And you guys do not mind ??
    You threw me some bespontovye present .. Like people like you were not there))) And people like you were there ???
    There were cowards and brave men, and those who wanted to fight and those who did not want to ..

    I would have fought. In my childhood it was left in my head that since the army, then I’ll go to war)))
    Well, I don’t want to go into this shameful army and serve this shameful power ..
    Why did everyone in the USSR go to the army ?? was there a paradise or something ???
    No, there was at least something taught .. And the most important thing was for what to serve ..
    I love my homeland no less than yours. And I am ready to fight for it ..
    I don’t understand why you wrote me all your nonsense ???
    What did you mean by this??
  20. Escander
    0
    April 26 2011 07: 46
    Ungern Sternberg

    --- "I have not served in the army, I will not and do not advise others. Although I love military affairs and after school I wanted to go to a military school ...
    In fact, the Russian army is d ... mo. And those who protect her so much as if they had fallen from the moon ..
    Not a few times was in a military town near the city. This is de..mo (well, I have no other expression)
    "The army turned into a cattle catcher, but I did not cattle."

    Your work?
    And my present is bespontovye?
    If you have not served, how can you reason about it and advise others of something? Based on the fact that from around the corner he looked at a military town?
    I don’t know, of course, what’s your "wild division" deployed there, that you are so scared.
    We have men engaged in military training in dense and do not paint the grass. Many regret that they have reduced the double bass, but will dial - they will go again. But if you put them (cattle) next to you, then you will lose. You cannot protect yourself, not like the Homeland.
    And I don’t feel sorry for my boys; I feel sorry for those who would like to fight with them.
    So, Ungern Sternberg, this is not my nonsense, but rather yours.
  21. inej2
    0
    9 May 2011 09: 59
    The Red Army’s inability to fight — that was the real shock for both the leadership and the country in the first weeks of the war.
    . The main cause of the 1941 disaster was not the suddenness of the German attack and the Soviet Union’s unpreparedness for war, but the Wehrmacht’s advantage in combat training and the greater professionalism of the German army.
    Stalin knew that in all quantitative indicators the Red Army was significantly superior to the Wehrmacht, that in quality Soviet military equipment was better than German. Therefore, he was convinced that the enemy would be stopped and defeated at the border. But the terrible defeats of the Red Army at the beginning of the war showed that the calculations of the country's leadership for an early victory did not materialize.
    On the battlefields of 1941, two opposing systems collided: qualities and quantities. Quality has always prevailed.
    The Wehrmacht, with small tank forces, smashed everything in its path. There were few fighters, but German pilots shot down so many enemy aircraft to ensure air supremacy. Despite the overwhelming numerical superiority of the enemy, the Luftwaffe was the leader in the number of aces until the end of the war.
    German soldiers trusted their command, demonstrating the highest morale. They overcame all obstacles.
    Low morale of a significant part of the Red Army, unwillingness to fight for the Stalinist state.
    The mood of a part of the soldiers was affected by the consequences of collectivization and dispossession, mass starvation, disempowerment of the peasants, the attachment of workers to enterprises and the over-exploitation of their labor, mass repressions and the creation of the industry of forced labor of prisoners, the decline in living standards of the bulk of the population of the USSR in the pre-war years.
  22. 0
    April 16 2013 17: 07
    It is unlikely that it is only the absence of passionaries :)) Just in those years, young people were patriotic and even fanatical. But the commanders ’skills and knowledge from the battalion and above were not enough, rather dogma and fear of doing something = not out of shape. And only blood and sacrifices of 41-42 years. forged these skills. Unfortunately, at the cost of huge casualties.
  23. kvs45
    0
    5 May 2015 18: 38
    Quote: xomaNN
    Just in those years, youth was patriotic and even fanatical.

    there were certainly fanatics by conviction, but most of them were fanatical rather for show, you won't shout "thanks to the leader and teacher" and you can pay, at least a career