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Israel does not tolerate bad commanders

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Israel does not tolerate bad commanders

Israel recently announced the results of an investigation into the 3 incident of February 2014. Then, as a result of friendly fire, a young officer died. This happened on the border of the Gaza Strip when a fighter fell from the fire of another Israeli soldier who took him for the enemy. As a result of this, the army decided to remove three servicemen from their posts due to the fact that they did not cope with their duties. The soldier who directly carried out that fatal shot was dismissed from military service. His company commander, who planned and supervised the operation, also lost his position and will never again command military units. The battalion commander was removed from his post, but in the future he will be able to take command of combat units.



Israel places high demands on its combat units, especially their commanders. In Israeli society, to be excluded from combat service is considered a rather severe punishment and especially to be removed from the command of combat units. The cause of the incident was that the combat commander did not fully inform the fighters before sending them to patrol the border fence in Gaza in order to prevent Islamic terrorists on the other side of the fence from installing improvised explosive devices. These IEDs are remotely activated during the passage of an Israeli patrol. The fence is electronically controlled, but to increase control, troops are periodically sent to patrol. During this incident of the night, the company commander used a poorly thought-out patrol plan and did not fully instruct all of his soldiers how to distinguish themselves from the enemy in the dark. Thus, an Israeli officer was mistaken for a Palestinian terrorist and was killed by a friendly fire.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 14 2014 07: 27
    +11
    The army, which is a priori constantly in a state of war, is quite normal demands and actions ...
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 April 14 2014 07: 33
      0
      And who is to blame for the fact that they are constantly in a state of war?
      Give the land, then give the water in the Golan (Kineret dries, and the water in kibbutz is worth its weight in gold - you need to water it).
      Although the computer shares the water, but it needs to be taken somewhere, in order to share it later.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 14 2014 07: 38
        +7
        Quote: mirag2
        And who is to blame for the fact that they are constantly in a state of war?

        Arabs
        1. maks-101
          maks-101 April 14 2014 07: 49
          +7
          And who is to blame for the fact that they are constantly in a state of war?
          Arabs
          why the Arabs, maybe the usa that created al-Qaeda, maybe the usa that supports the militants in Syria, maybe the usa that supports the tensions in the middle east, maybe the usa that finances the color revolutions.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver April 14 2014 08: 35
            +8
            Quote: maks-xnumx
            why the Arabs, maybe the usa that created al Qaeda

            Al-Qaida, or rather its predecessors, were created in the 1980s to spoil the USSR in Afghanistan, and, as usual, the genie got out of the bottle. The Arabs launched the first war against Israel exactly on the day it was created in 1948. And they started the terror against the Jews in the 1920s, when they realized that the Balfour declaration was not an empty piece of paper, and the Jews were serious about using it as a legal basis for creating their own state. Learn the story.
            1. their
              their April 14 2014 10: 04
              -2
              Quote: Nagan
              The Arabs launched the first war against Israel exactly on the day it was created in 1948. And they started the terror against the Jews in the 1920s, when they realized that the Balfour declaration was not an empty piece of paper, and the Jews were serious about using it as a legal basis for creating their own state. Learn the story.


              The Arabs were then supported by the Americans, the USSR was for Israel.

              Do not be fooled by propaganda, there was no terror from the Arabs, these were provocations of various forces to pit two peoples. Palestinians received the first Jews peacefully and lived side by side since 1881, after the first mass Aliya from the Russian Empire.
              I know, because my great-grandfather participated in these events, emigrated to Palestine in 1888
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi April 14 2014 16: 30
                +4
                Quote: sus
                Palestinians received the first Jews peacefully and lived side by side since the 1881 year, after the first mass Aliya from the Russian Empire.
                I know, because my great-grandfather participated in these events, emigrated to Palestine in 1888
                then your grandfather had to tell you that the Arabs did not call themselves "Palestinians" until 1964. And it was not they who accepted the Jewish migration, but the Turks, whose sovereignty extended to the area until 1918.
                1. Turkir
                  Turkir 1 May 2014 09: 09
                  0
                  But they did not accept Jewish migration, but Turks, whose sovereignty extended to this area until 1918.

                  And Israel was born in 1948. It is not clear how the Turks accepted Jewish migration from 1918 to 1947?
                  Sovereignty!
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 April 14 2014 08: 14
          0
          Yeah. Then so what is the fault of the Arabs?
          1. Revolver
            Revolver April 14 2014 08: 37
            +3
            Quote: mirag2
            Yeah. Then so what is the fault of the Arabs?

            The fact that they do not recognize Israel’s right to exist.
            Everything else is the consequences of the foregoing.
          2. Kus Imak
            Kus Imak April 14 2014 08: 42
            +9
            Quote: mirag2
            Yeah. Then so what is the fault of the Arabs?

            The fact that they ignored the UN decision in 1948 on the division of Palestine into 2 states - Jewish and Arab. They began to resolve the issue by force. As a result, Israel also did not follow up on many UN decisions. Thus, the status quo in the region was created as a result of wars, and not as a result of peace agreements.
            1. sv68
              sv68 April 14 2014 10: 27
              0
              well, so the time has gone history can only be rewritten on paper — and almost impossible — in fact
      2. Canep
        Canep April 14 2014 07: 39
        +9
        Quote: mirag2
        And who is to blame for the fact that they are constantly in a state of war?
        Politicians are to blame, it is necessary to separate politicians and the army, I am not an AOI lawyer, but I think this army is one of the most effective in the world. We need to learn from them, and to adopt everything that may come in handy, though their army is imprisoned not for those tasks, but their general organization is at their best. There is something to envy.
        1. queen
          queen April 14 2014 07: 59
          -3
          Quote: Canep
          There is something to envy.

          Why? Destroy the weak? A lot of the mind is not necessary.
          1. Kus Imak
            Kus Imak April 14 2014 09: 09
            +7
            Quote: regin
            Quote: Canep
            There is something to envy.

            Why? Destroy the weak? A lot of the mind is not necessary.


            No one destroys normal peaceful Palestinians. On the contrary, many of them work in Israel and feed their families. Destroy militants and terrorists. After all, you distinguish between peaceful Chechens and militants fighting in the mountains. Yes, while there are casualties among civilians. A superweapon has not yet been invented allowing 100% killing only combatants. He's not around. If among you there are those who fought in Afghanistan or in Chechnya, I am sure they will understand me. By the way, many Palestinians fought in Chechnya, and now many thousands of them are fighting in Syria against Assad (read LJ Zelemkhan, she had an article about Palestinian snipers). Nobody destroys purposefully peaceful Palestinians. If Israel had set itself the goal of doing this, the deployed chain of military bulldozers would have carried Gaza to the sea in an hour, without any tanks. Strip is a strip of land about 10x50 km wide. But precisely because Israel is not looking for simple solutions and all this theatricality exists with a blockade and with troops around the perimeter. Israel is just waiting for Hamas to finally go bankrupt politically. Hamas has problems not only with Israel, but also with Egypt, and the problems are very serious. I think the joint Israeli-Egyptian operation in Sinai is not far off. As for the West Bank, if not chocolate, then certainly not horseradish. A complex of government buildings of the future state of Palestine has already been built in Abu Dis (this is a suburb of Jerusalem). Both Israel and Palestine understand that the time has come for peace and understanding. Naturally, the negotiations are very difficult, more reminiscent of an oriental bazaar, with shouts, screams, with demonstrative departure and other theatricality. But in any case, apparently, Mr. Palestine will appear shortly. More precisely, it is actually functioning, solving all the internal problems of the Palestinians, with the exception of external border control.
            1. sv68
              sv68 April 14 2014 10: 30
              +1
              Russia is only for the world. Finish there already to wail and advise the Arabs.
      3. svp67
        svp67 April 14 2014 08: 28
        +1
        Quote: mirag2
        And who is to blame

        The local hot sun ... which many heads bake ...
  2. mirag2
    mirag2 April 14 2014 07: 30
    +1
    Yes, in Israeli society, too, not everything is calm, for someone "In Israeli society, being expelled from military service is considered a rather harsh punishment and especially being removed from the command of combat units" - and for the other part of society (liberal) is a plus.
    1. Professor
      April 14 2014 08: 46
      +3
      Quote: mirag2
      In Israeli society, being expelled from military service is considered a rather harsh punishment, and especially being removed from the command of combat units "- and for the other part of society (liberal) is a plus.

      Not a plus. I can imagine how tonight at the table (Passover we have) the cousins ​​of the distant will squint at him, classmates report this news, and so on.
      1. sv68
        sv68 April 14 2014 10: 32
        +2
        with a holiday professor, don’t sing too much, but don’t go sober laughing
        1. Professor
          April 14 2014 12: 41
          +1
          Quote: sv68
          with a holiday professor, don’t sing too much, but don’t go sober laughing

          Thanks, I will not abuse.
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm April 14 2014 11: 38
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        Quote: Professor
        Not a plus. I can imagine how at the table tonight

        I would like to clarify with you about the briefings that are carried out before patrolling or conducting any operations. Are there any documents in Israel on the basis of which briefings are held or is this carried out impromptu?
        1. Professor
          April 14 2014 12: 43
          +1
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          I would like to clarify with you about the briefings that are carried out before patrolling or conducting any operations. Are there any documents in Israel on the basis of which briefings are held or is this carried out impromptu?

          There are orders, say the commander of a district or division. But usually the briefing depends directly on the task and the personal experience of the battalion commander and down the chain.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 14 2014 15: 03
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            Quote: Professor
            But usually the briefing depends directly on the task and the personal experience of the battalion commander and down the chain.
            That is, you want to say that the combat experience in your army is not systematized and is not comprehended and not published in the form of instructions and charters? Let you not believe ...
            1. Professor
              April 14 2014 15: 36
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              That is, you want to say that the combat experience in your army is not systematized and is not comprehended and not published in the form of instructions and charters? Let you not believe ...

              KMB a year and a half is not enough? No statutes ...
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi April 14 2014 16: 35
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                That is, you want to say that the combat experience in your army is not systematized and is not comprehended and not published in the form of instructions and charters? Let you not believe ...

                And you’ll do the right thing if you don’t believe it. There is a "operations department of the General Staff" which deals with the systematization of combat experience and the introduction of advanced achievements. As for the charter, there are very general "provisions" for daily service, and "torat lehima" for combat training and direct combat operations.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 14 2014 17: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  KMB a year and a half is not enough?

                  But the Young Fighter Course also follows a certain program ... and not as God puts it on your soul.

                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  And do it right

                  And I had no doubts, since for any small operation it is necessary to prepare a huge "pile" of documents so that their own artillery and aviation would not hit their own, so that the losses would be less, and all this is based on a certain methodology and the use of regulatory requirements and statutes ...
              2. nerd.su
                nerd.su April 14 2014 20: 52
                0
                Quote: Professor
                KMB a year and a half is not enough?

                So how long does the KMB last? Then you call six months, then a year. Or, since there is no charter on this subject, does the duration of the KMB also depend on the experience of the commander?
                1. Professor
                  April 15 2014 10: 11
                  0
                  Quote: bot.su
                  So how long does the KMB last? Then you call six months, then a year.

                  And where did I talk about half a year? wink

                  Quote: bot.su
                  Or, since there is no charter on this subject, does the duration of the KMB also depend on the experience of the commander?

                  Depends on who the soldier is taught. If the storekeeper then 4 weeks is enough, but if ...
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat April 14 2014 21: 31
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Professor
              But usually the briefing depends directly on the task and the personal experience of the battalion commander and down the chain.
              That is, you want to say that the combat experience in your army is not systematized and is not comprehended and not published in the form of instructions and charters? Let you not believe ...

              Of course, it is comprehended and systematized, but we do not have charters, since they damage tactical flexibility, the most striking examples are issued in the form of memos, lessons are taught, and small ones are simply integrated as additions and changes to the general training course and recommendations on safety rules.
  3. ipshum
    ipshum April 14 2014 07: 33
    +7
    In war - as in war. Anything can happen.
  4. gunter_laux
    gunter_laux April 14 2014 07: 48
    +3
    High requirements for combat commanders of combat units are more than normal, and as a result, the prestige of military service in the state.
  5. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 14 2014 07: 49
    0
    an Israeli officer was mistaken for a Palestinian terrorist and died from friendly fire.
    And I’m talking about something else, what kind of mutual hatred the two peoples have ... If their own people are killed .. Israelis seem to Palestinians, Arabs Israelis .. And someone warms his hands and warms well, in the fire of mutual hatred ..
    1. Professor
      April 14 2014 08: 49
      +4
      Quote: parus2nik
      And I’m talking about something else, what kind of mutual hatred the two peoples have ... If they kill their own

      What nonsense. fool In your opinion, it was necessary to approach the terrorist, ask as a family, donkeys? And so there was no answer to the question "stop who is coming", and the deceased climbed onto the armored personnel carrier ...
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm April 14 2014 11: 45
        0
        Quote: Professor
        And so there was no answer to the question "stop who is coming", and the deceased climbed onto the armored personnel carrier ...

        Israel does not have a charter, which spells out what actions a soldier should carry out in a similar situation?
        1. Professor
          April 14 2014 12: 46
          +2
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Israel does not have a charter, which spells out what actions a soldier should carry out in a similar situation?

          The fighter must turn on his brains, and not shoot at everything that moves. But as indicated, he was not briefed well enough and his commanders did a lousy job of organizing everything. There is an instruction to "open fire".
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm April 14 2014 15: 18
            0
            Quote: Professor
            There is an instruction to "open fire"

            That is, in AOI there are instructions describing the recommended actions in a given situation?
            Did I understand you correctly? Thanks for the answer.
            1. Professor
              April 14 2014 15: 40
              +1
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Quote: Professor
              There is an instruction to "open fire"

              That is, in AOI there are instructions describing the recommended actions in a given situation?
              Did I understand you correctly? Thanks for the answer.

              Instructions on paper are rare. "Instruction to open fire" (one and a half sheets in large print) is rather an exception to the rule. Nevertheless, all cases like the one mentioned are carefully investigated, documented and reported to the units. He will be taught at least in officer courses.
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm April 14 2014 16: 15
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Nevertheless, all cases like the one mentioned above are thoroughly investigated, documented and reported to the units. At least at the officer courses he will be taught.

                When investigating this tragic incident, on the basis of what they will decide who did the right thing and who did not.
                During this incident at night, the company commander used a poorly thought-out patrol plan and did not fully instruct all his soldiers how to distinguish theirs from the enemy in the dark.
                The SA had the statute of the guard service where all actions when changing the guard or carrying the guard were prescribed. Before carrying the guard, the fighters studied the charter and then passed an oral exam to the head of the guard. But in Israel, on the basis of what do they decide who is right and who is wrong, or in Israel do they see how the actions of the officer correspond to common sense?
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi April 14 2014 16: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  . But in Israel, on the basis of what do they decide who is right and who is wrong, or in Israel do they see how the actions of the officer correspond to common sense?

                  the situation is constantly changing, therefore, orders from the com / district are in effect on the ground. On the same terrain, with a difference of a month, there may be an order "to shoot at all the people moving" or "not to open fire up to a direct threat to life."
                2. Professor
                  April 14 2014 16: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  But in Israel, on the basis of what do they decide who is right and who is wrong, or in Israel do they see how the actions of the officer correspond to common sense?

                  By and large, yes. Common sense. They will also check whether he violated any specific order.
                  For example, one officer orders to patrol with a magazine in a machine gun or even with a cartridge in a cartridge, and his successor forbids patrolling with a magazine in a machine gun because, in his opinion, there is a greater chance that they will shoot each other by mistake. Both in their own way ... There is no charter on this subject.
                  1. saturn.mmm
                    saturn.mmm April 15 2014 11: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    On the same terrain, with a difference of a month, there may be an order "to shoot at all the people moving" or "not to open fire up to a direct threat to life."


                    Quote: Professor
                    By and large, yes. Common sense.

                    Thanks for clarifying.
                    Congratulations to the Jewish people on the national holiday of Passover. Peace and prosperity.
      2. parus2nik
        parus2nik April 14 2014 13: 52
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        I’m not an officer, I’m talking about something else .. you’ve been going on a war since 1948 .. forgive me, you can’t share a piece of shit ... you can’t share everything, what nation is more titular than Jews or Arabs, what religion is more correct than Judaism or Islam ..
        1. Dezzed
          Dezzed April 14 2014 14: 31
          +4
          parus2nik:
          "all pussies measure"


          Comrade, we are waging a war for land and not for "pussy"
      3. nerd.su
        nerd.su April 14 2014 21: 05
        0
        Quote: Professor
        And so there was no answer to the question "stop who is coming", and the deceased climbed onto the armored personnel carrier ...

        Or maybe:
        At the first shout: "Who is coming?" he started joking
        When he was shot in the air, he shouted: "Stop fooling!"
        I hesitated a little and, without entering into an argument,
        Chinarik spat out - and fired point-blank "?

        That's why they fired from military service. Just in case. Generally, a strange punishment.
        If we were so punished, then the officers would not be enough for a long time ...
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su April 14 2014 09: 19
      +2
      Quote: parus2nik
      And someone warms his hands and warms well, in the fire of mutual hatred ..

      Yes, they themselves warm. Arabs - the status of eternal martyrs, Jews - the status of the most belligerent and "most invincible" army. Of course, this situation is more beneficial to the "elite" of both peoples than to the people. War of scarlet and white roses, 6 y. sad
      1. parus2nik
        parus2nik April 14 2014 13: 53
        +1
        But for whom and the eternal hotbed of tension in the world ...
  6. Grenz
    Grenz April 14 2014 08: 01
    +10
    In this situation, our army would have remained without commanders and soldiers at all.
    I remember how they worked for us "drying" in that already forgotten war.
    So what. "Guys, we did not hurt you. Behind us is a fufir." And that is all.
    We are all people and we all want to live. But the psychological hardening is different for everyone.
    So did this soldier - he really wanted to live. And we have no right to refuse him this. And that he killed a comrade - so in the war. He or a Palestinian, no matter.
    This is the truth of any war. They kill her. And no matter where the bullet came from.
  7. rugor
    rugor April 14 2014 08: 02
    -1
    I can imagine how much they wet the real Arabs, even if they fall under their kneading.
  8. andj61
    andj61 April 14 2014 08: 24
    +2
    The main thing is not that they killed their own, but that they made the right conclusions from this.
  9. sanek0207
    sanek0207 April 14 2014 08: 29
    +2
    They know how to fight!
  10. KBPC50
    KBPC50 April 14 2014 08: 41
    -2
    Quote: maks-xnumx
    And who is to blame for the fact that they are constantly in a state of war?
    Arabs
    why the Arabs, maybe the usa that created al-Qaeda, maybe the usa that supports the militants in Syria, maybe the usa that supports the tensions in the middle east, maybe the usa that finances the color revolutions.

    Absolute statement and timely !!!
  11. Shustov
    Shustov April 14 2014 09: 15
    +1
    the Americans won in Iraq and how many shaves they put, as a result of mistakes, ours in the Caucasus also squinted. We can learn a lot from the Jews.
  12. Klim2011
    Klim2011 April 14 2014 09: 31
    +1
    Of course this is an emergency. But it’s not as incomparable with the recent shooting at his colleagues in the United States.
    The morale of the Israeli army is a powerful component of their fighting ability.
  13. serge
    serge April 14 2014 09: 41
    -8
    Incomprehensible panegyric addressed to Jewish Nazis.
  14. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 14 2014 10: 14
    0
    And which army needs bad commanders. Russian maybe works in Israel. The main thing is to draw conclusions from mistakes, and not to make them anymore.
  15. Magadan
    Magadan April 14 2014 10: 45
    0
    I want only one thing - for the Arabs and the Jews to somehow make peace.
    I understand the whole absurdity of my dreams, but, damn it, the truth, throw me rotten eggs, I'm on the side of both of them.
    Both of these peoples deserve respect, because honor their ancestors, history, traditions and try to educate their children in the same spirit. For me, the enemies are the current homosexual, eternally squealing, calling white black liberalism. Those who have forgotten their roots are vanka of kinship who do not remember, but impose their frostbitten ideas of globalism, sodomy, sex education and juvenile fascism on the rest of the world. Those who hate their own people, squealing phrases like "a cribbury for domestic animals", talking about a cemetery for our veterans (zhurnalYga Romanova).
  16. Nonik
    Nonik April 14 2014 15: 06
    0
    Quote: Magadan
    I want only one thing - for the Arabs and the Jews to somehow make peace.

    Once a Jew and two Arabs are sitting on the plane. Well, the Jew gets up and politely says: "I am for tea, should I bring you at the same time?" They say, "Yes, thank you." The Jew leaves, and one Arab says to another: "Let's spit in his slippers?" No sooner said than done. A Jew comes, brings tea, drinks. Then, at the end of the flight, he puts his feet into the sneakers and ... with a sigh he says: "Well, when will this stupid feud stop! You spat on my sneakers, I pissed you into tea" ...