What to do with the North Caucasus? (Poll)

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What to do with the North Caucasus?

Adhere to the current strategy of "appeasement" - 120 (4.91%)
4.91%
Provide independence (even if they refuse) - 363 (14.84%)
14.84%
Carry out a series of tough operations in the style of Yermolov and Stalin, restore order (preferably throughout the territory of the Russian Federation), combine military operations with state social and economic programs to restore the region's production potential - 1575 (64.39%)
64.39%
You can sell the territories of the North Caucasus to everyone (Turkey, China, anyone who makes an offer, in parts) - 152 (6.21%)
6.21%
In principle, nothing can be done - 42 (1.72%)
1.72%
The collapse of the Russian Federation is inevitable, so this problem will be solved by itself - 97 (3.97%)
3.97%
Create an international commission to solve this problem, making the North Caucasus a territory under the control of the world community, to send in UN troops, possibly NATO. - 24 (0.98%)
0.98%
Pay Chechnya (Kadyrov) a “tribute” to keep the “order” in the region, appoint him as governor of the North Caucasus, allocate additional powers - 29 (1.19%)
1.19%
Other (write in comments) - 44 (1.8%)
1.8%
The problem of the North Caucasus for the Russian Federation is one of the main. It includes several aspects: the ethno-criminal, demographic, economic, nationalist, terrorist, the aspect of radical Islamization.

It should be understood with absolute clarity that the problem of Chechnya and the North Caucasus as a whole was created in Moscow. When Russia is strong, like the Russian Empire, the Red Empire, there is actually no problem. Caucasian nationalities, by virtue of their primitive communal psychology, respect only brute force. Seeing that the state in which they live, a strong, state-forming Russian people are warriors, creators, teachers ... who bring order and prosperity, they live in peace, going up the evolutionary ladder. As soon as Distemper begins in Russia (the Civil War, the collapse of the USSR), destructive forces come to the fore. Caucasian peoples lose respect for the state and the Russian people. Why respect the people who allowed to destroy their state, all their own achievements? Who agrees with the sale of their children, women? Which allows perverts to hold their marches in the squares of their cities? Which allows your children to drink, smoke, foul in the presence of adults? The people who allow the "pygmy" people to arrange Nazi dances on the graves of their heroes?

What to do with the North Caucasus? (Poll)


Therefore, the problem of the North Caucasus is a reflection of the internal diseases of the Russian people, the Russian civilization, if we were strong, then there would be order in the Caucasus. But this does not mean that he should not be brought in - first of all, he should be put in his head and heart, become strong, Russian in the Spirit, then restore order in the center of control of the Russian Federation - Moscow. Changing the concept of management from unfair to fair will lead to an understanding of solutions to other problems. Without changing the concept of management, it is impossible to solve all other particular problems.

At present, the program of “conciliation” of the North Caucasus is being implemented: increased funds are allocated to the regions (which do not reach the common people to a large extent), the resettlement program for the unemployed from the Caucasus in the Russian Federation, the program for the development of the tourism industry, amnesty for insurgents, etc. smoothes the problem, but as a result, the processes of the cancer tumor only grow and strengthen. The republics actually received the legal status of parasites on the body of the state and the working people.

Another topic popular among the population and liberal, radical nationalist circles is the separation of the North Caucasus from the Russian Federation. This option will almost automatically cause the collapse of the entire Russian civilization. The authorities and the Russian people will “say” to the whole world - we are “nothing”, “clumsy”, we cannot solve the problem.

Therefore, the solution to the problems of the North Caucasus lies in the mainstream of the restoration of the Will and Autocracy by the Russian people - not in terms of the monarchy, but in terms of their concept of living arrangements, the Russian government. After that, relying on historical experience, the North Caucasus will be Russian.
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  1. Sergio
    +11
    April 22 2011 08: 38
    Only narrow-minded people, or liberal-treacherous ones, can advocate the secession of the Caucasus. With the same success, you can give the islands of Japan.
    This is not only the loss of territories, this is the final recognition of the country's helplessness and the next destruction of the Russians living in the Caucasus. There were precedents.
    "Give me a finger - they'll chop off your hand."
    In addition, a whole bunch of problems arises - from a humanitarian catastrophe to political instability within the country and the next loss of geopolitical positions on a global scale.
    1. Crazy head
      0
      6 May 2011 18: 10
      Quote: Sergio
      In addition, a whole bunch of problems arises - from a humanitarian catastrophe to political instability within the country and the next loss of geopolitical positions on a global scale.

      I agree.

      Quote: Escander
      They returned to the soviet times, when only lump could be seen on Zhigul. And our destiny is to maintain their well-being ...

      And I agree with you.
  2. Stavr
    Stavr
    +9
    April 22 2011 08: 53
    Losing the Caucasus means losing Russia. And that's it!
  3. Mr. Truth
    +7
    April 22 2011 09: 08
    Ermolovsky methods there need to restore order.
    1. aL13n
      +1
      April 29 2011 16: 58
      You are absolutely right.
  4. cubarelle
    -1
    April 22 2011 09: 27
    but in the endИ processes of a "cancerous tumor"
  5. Escander
    -2
    April 22 2011 09: 44
    It seems that the GDP was specially put on the general ridicule of the liberals, led by Mendel, in order to prepare the way for the next “mochilov in sartier”.
    And if Kadyrov persuades Mendel to “new compensation rates” (discussed by them now), then the GDP rating will rise again. Only this will not make it easier.

    Kadyrov is not capable of supporting the counterterrorism regime in his estate, in my opinion - he doesn’t need it, it’s better to create visibility, otherwise how will you keep the Kremlin on a short leash and knock out grandmas?

    They returned to the soviet times, when only lump could be seen on Zhigul. And our destiny is to maintain their well-being ...
  6. dominion
    -1
    April 22 2011 10: 01
    I am in favor of secession of Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan, the KBR and the KRCh; on another, the question cannot be radically solved. And everyone who yells about the Ermolovsk methods, duck ahead, you have the opportunity and now to participate in the pacification of the highlanders. But you know how to fight only with the wrong hands.
  7. alexxx
    -1
    April 22 2011 10: 25
    The republics, or rather the emirates of the North Caucasus, are practically independent and live according to their Sharia laws. There is only one connection with Russia - an infusion of attendants with a considerable rollback. Caucasians and I are completely different peoples in all respects, and therefore we will never get along together. The conquest of the Caucasus was a mistake. No one will now clearly explain what the benefits of the UK are for Russia? And do not scare people with the collapse of Russia. Why would she fall apart? On the contrary, it will grow stronger by removing the yoke from itself. And you need to separate the UK. It is only necessary to furnish this with fanfare, as a punishment, as it did not justify high confidence. And of course, blocking the monetary river and building a reliable border.
  8. Max
    Max
    -2
    April 22 2011 10: 32
    There is no way to separate, otherwise a chain reaction will occur. It will be a disaster. In addition, outrage will immediately erupt worse than the Brazilian ghetto: organ and human trafficking, arms trade and drug trafficking. These savages do not want to work, because faith does not allow them, they say so ...
    I believe that we must adhere to Putin's line of hard suppression of crime, while at the same time offering high-paying jobs in Siberia and the north for Chechens. Let them there and teach where it is better than they taught how to make craft bombs at home .. It’s also a good idea to build infrastructure and resorts, the local population will benefit from this and will understand for themselves, the less they shoot, the more people will come to their beautiful Caucasian places.
  9. Kudrev
    +1
    April 22 2011 10: 37
    I voted for the item: To do anything in principle is no longer possible - 2 (1.75%). And this, unfortunately, is the most realistic of all proposed. All the rest (apart from actually existing - paying tribute) - no more than blah blah blah. The trouble with the Dominion is that they don’t know how to fight even with OTHERS hands, they love, I don’t argue, but they don’t know how. Yes, the author - Russian civilization will not perish with the separation of the Caucasus, be more modest, do not identify Tula and Vologda with ALL Russian civilization. For example, Ukraine and Belarus absolutely have your Caucasian graters on the drum - here these problems are not simply in fact - lezginka and cutting sheep on the streets of our cities are completely unimaginable phenomena (to the units of existing Caucasians who have long lived and have already assimilated, such behavior will not even wander into one’s head ) By the way, it is the presence of the Caucasus that VERY hinders the possible rapprochement of our countries and peoples. So, the separation of the Caucasus (with the forced deportation of ALL of its indigenous natives there) can just serve the other way around - the revival of Russian civilization.
  10. Sergio
    0
    April 22 2011 10: 45
    dominion, alexxx - what yoke do you take off? You don’t see the money that goes to the Caucasus anyway - they will find use, they won’t ask you))). Hemorrhea will remain - a hotbed of terrorists, a base of Western intelligence services, provocations ... Well, about the Russians, you don’t think about living there. You, advocating for separation, change your place of residence with some Russian family in the same Cherkessk.
    The current problem of the Caucasus is the problem of weak power and its inability or unwillingness to seek solutions.
    And why the Caucasus was conquered - learn history. And the methods of General Ermolov in "bending over" the mountaineers were very effective and not necessarily bloody.
  11. ROTOR
    -1
    April 22 2011 11: 09
    I haven’t heard anything worthwhile! ... Another blah blah blah blah .... yes we, yes Russians, are poor sufferers, whose so-called Caucasians are to blame for their troubles. Without thinking that the main problem is you yourself ... I won’t go far, how much a year do you RUSSIAN rape your children in a drunken stupor and just like that aaa ??? How many RUSSIANS do you kill your colleagues in the army ??? How many poor Russian people do you cheat and rob your compatriots in the structure of housing and communal services or homeowners associations, in medicine, in the oil industry, etc., etc. It can go on endlessly. ... you just need to find the one on whom you can dump everything and complain that the Caucasians are to blame for everything and not us ..... How do you not understand that Russia is not only the RUSSIAN people !!!! If we can not get along in this multinational house Russia and we do not have a future .... and you only contribute to this by raising hatred or hostility in yourself, call it what you want, the meaning is one .... this country will fall apart as it was. And other countries like that and wait to pounce like vultures. Comrades are good .......
  12. Borislav
    -1
    April 22 2011 11: 13
    I voted for a tribute fee (2nd turned out to be). While Kadyrov is alive, he will be in power. His associates will not betray. He has great authority and support for the Czechs. But he will die, then it is possible to find an opponent for his heir - money and power are considerable. And if they want to make them a civilian ala if they want, but don’t want to cut themselves, they should return their man and Terek Cossacks to their rightful places for greater stability and reliability.
  13. Joker
    0
    April 22 2011 11: 31
    ROTOR,
    - no one says that there are no people of Russian nationality among the criminals, but the percentage of the total is important.
    You know, we didn’t cut throats to civilians in Chechnya, but it was the other way around.

    I have enough problems, I agree, but this one of them, of course, cannot be solved without a competent, independent government.

    Voted for paragraph 3, the separation of the native Russian lands will entail a chain of very negative events for us and our state.
  14. Veselchak U
    -1
    April 22 2011 11: 55
    uniquely
    v Other (write in comments)

    Where did the past "polls" go? uncovered in a neat daddy and put on the table "a man with a cold head, a warm heart and clean hands" and calmed down?
    or admins and programmers here with 2 left hands?
    de forum, like a morale feedback in order to create like-minded communities from army buttons to strategists of the First Galactic?
    is it really the same historical reconstruction and paintball here, too, do not mind?
    or military e-sports and its problems?
    the same problems of modern military-patriotic education of youth?
    Why are the articles, some finally without the primary source and the aftoroph, invented in a razgibay manner, what are the "plus-minus" in comments, not to mention some materials posted here that are worthy not of a military theme, but of a dissertation by a psychopathologist?
    angry
    so that definitely
    v Other (write in comments)

    PS: I understand that they are not even going to raise articles and analytics about the problems of space piracy, and that would be much more useful for us and our descendants than the jingo-patriotic set of sound-bunches of some local "publicists" ...
    Or rename then "Military Review" in "Military aggravation or What the military is about * zed about", it will be closer to what I see here: materials very worthy for study interspersed with beer gatherings in Munich in the 1920s ...
    I have the honor .... sorry for offtop
  15. ROTOR
    -1
    April 22 2011 11: 59
    Just currents and the percentage of CRIMES on the part of the Russian population NAAAAMNOGO MORE !!!!! It is enough to look at the news bulletins !!! And about who cut the throats of whom, both from the "Federals" and from the Chechens, throats were cut .... there are many documentary facts confirming this ...... there is no excuse for this to ANYONE !!
  16. Veselchak U
    -1
    April 22 2011 12: 07
    extension
    in such miserable conditions in which the site is now located and the answers will also be miserable, I am not surprised ... sorry for Russia
  17. Vugar
    -2
    April 22 2011 12: 15
    Supporting people like Kadyrov and everything will be okay. Dummy application is forbidden, they will criticize as well as lively
  18. Joker
    +1
    April 22 2011 12: 15
    ROTOR,
    You are confusing absolute numbers and percentages.
    explain on fingers:
    - if 1 out of 000 people commit a crime, then it will be 000%;
    - if 10 out of 000 people commit a crime, it will be 500%;

    That is, in absolute figures, the value of 1000 is certainly more than 500, but if you compare the percentages, it will be 0,001 to 5;

    As for the media, there are few reports on the crimes of Caucasians for several reasons:
    - the police, who have merged with criminals, are ready to “cover up the case” for a reasonable remuneration;
    - do not make many reports "so as not to provoke ethnic hatred";
    - I repeat once again, the absolute figure may be more, but this does not reflect the "dynamics";
  19. Sergio
    0
    April 22 2011 12: 20
    Veselchak U - said "I have the honor" - be a man - go away. No, I can't calm myself down - she still scribbles vyser. Aggravated Brains Melting?

    Now come on my replica cherkani and do not forget about space piracy.
  20. ROTOR
    -1
    April 22 2011 12: 31
    Dry numbers and reality are two different things, dear !! The reality is much harsher and it cannot reflect the whole dynamics. You are right .... this is a multifactorial reason influenced by crime, it is the density of the population, its working conditions, good breeding and much more .... you yourself probably understand. And the fact that many things are silent is understandable .... you can’t hide everything, but now it’s full of independent media that are better to watch than the pro-government media. And it’s clear to the hedgehog that the number of crimes committed as a percentage of the Russian population is greater since the elementary Russian population is much larger than the Caucasians or any other nation of our vast homeland !!
  21. Joker
    0
    April 22 2011 12: 41
    ROTOR,
    - if we say in general, a percentage of the total number of crimes, then yes, based on the above reasons.

    - Yes, many factors affect, including impunity of certain categories of citizens ..
  22. Farvil
    -1
    April 22 2011 12: 42
    If Lebed hadn’t gotten into trouble with his peacekeeping ravings in Chechnya at the time, then this problem would have been solved already in the 90s. The so-called republics would have been in fear of repeating the fate of Chechnya. And there would be no Kadyrovs and the like. what we now have is because of the corrupt politicians who profited from the war and now profit from the rospil of subsidies allocated to this region. We are unnecessary for this power and they are for us!?.
  23. Veselchak U
    -1
    April 22 2011 12: 47
    To Sergio Today, 12:20

    you see, even the "Quote" button does not work normally here ....
    so I don’t see another way to say it, but not in the topic that is not indifferent to me ...

    "I have the honor to speak with worthy and respected people" will suit you?

    Well, about the problems of space perats:
    "Voice-over: Stirlitz knew that the last phrase is best remembered", but agree with the rest of the campaign?
  24. ROTOR
    -1
    April 22 2011 12: 55
    I agree ... now everything is on to snatch a piece from subsidies, no matter where for what purposes and in which regions they stand out. And the more this piece is the better !! ... As they say the fish rots from the head. To you everything goes to our POWER.
  25. +2
    April 22 2011 13: 16
    these rams understand nothing but power. Others will catch up with the Czechs. because they believe that we owe them that they defeated us. and if this plush agrees with the kadyr, then they will only establish themselves in their opinion. ONLY AS YERMOLOV NEEDS TO DO ANYONE PIPE BUSINESS WITH THEM !!!!!!!
  26. alexxx
    -1
    April 22 2011 13: 18
    4 Sergio. About money, cat. simple people will never get to me; I have no illusions. Such is the tradition in our country to keep our own people on the verge of poverty, but in slavery. But why conquered the Caucasus? you’ll answer what the hell he needed when no one had ever heard of oil. Just do not write to me for the geopolitics of those times, etc. It was an ordinary aggressive, or rather imperialist war. Russia at that time was an empire. It would be better if they did their best to keep Alaska, or at least did not sell it.
    Yes, for what? Because they wanted and want to live free? so let them live, but separately from us.
  27. ROTOR
    -1
    April 22 2011 13: 31
    Mdaaa ..... here we have the heroes of the monitor and keyboard datur, (these rams do not understand anything but strength) ........ you yourself do not understand better than the ram !!! Once you propose a forceful method of solving the problem! NOBODY AND NEVER ACHIEVED ITS GOALS WITH THE HELP OF FORCE .... still dofiga historical moments where it brought only short-term success, at the cost of great sacrifices ???? YOUR Ermolov is just an empty phrase and no more !!!
  28. figwam
    figwam
    0
    April 22 2011 13: 41
    The Caucasus respects only power, to fight in their blood, well, it’s not our fault that they are like that, they have such a nature, they take away the weak. The Caucasians scream, RUSSIA will be ours, they can smell inside that the country is weak.
    Give the Caucasus, tomorrow there will be pendosy, the Germans were also met there with bread and salt, they want to remove us from the Caspian, and then there will be a military base, ships and missiles, I’m 100% sure
  29. 0
    April 22 2011 13: 51
    rotor
    YOUR Ermolov is just an empty phrase and no more !!! and why yours. Who are you ? by chance not their representative. and read about Yermolov and then TALK.

    ROTOR, about the sword and spear, study history can be enlightened and dopret to you, that you always did.
  30. figwam
    figwam
    0
    April 22 2011 13: 59
    Quote: ROTOR
    .... "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD YOURSELF A THRONE FROM COPIES AND SWORDS AND THEN SIT ON IT

    The Anglo-Saxons had a problem in North America with the local population (Indians), the problem is solved. I am against such a decision, but the fact remains, the throne is on spears and swords.
  31. ROTOR
    -4
    April 22 2011 14: 21
    If the force method of solving the so-called problem begins, YOU ALL THOSE SITTING TO GO TO THE ARMY! ?? YOU ARE ALL ABOUT ANYTHING except how to answer! ... Everyone is thoughtful with the wrong hands! And for whom will you fight and against whom! ?? For Medvedev and Putin so that they live even better. And who are the enemies there in the Caucasus!? Who to shoot at!? And there they will fight for their BIRTHDAY LAND, for their home and close ones !!! And who are you and what !? ? And this torch scatter in other republics including Tatarstan, Bashkiria, the Far East where the Chinese will want to completely free everyone from the country that is fighting against their own citizens!

    We are all strong with the wrong hands *
  32. turnip
    turnip
    +1
    April 22 2011 14: 26
    so pzdёsh got up. and you asked what they want? I will answer (I had a chance to talk) "as long as Moscow pays us, we will be here, as the money runs out, we will leave." What else do you need. Somalis, and in his mouth. We get the moral right to use carpet bombardments. Voted for nothing can be changed, i.e. it's all in God's hands
  33. ROTOR
    -2
    April 22 2011 14: 31
    And with whom did you talk))))) with the bum)))) go get on your broomstick and start bombing !!!! The man is damn .... narrow-minded !!!

    I suppose you yourself MASKALIK aaaa! ???
  34. dominion
    +1
    April 22 2011 14: 34
    Stop stupid posts about the fact that we all tear and need to act in Yermolovsky. Well, we will defeat the Chechens or whom more than once in an open battle, while putting a bunch of our guys. Well, what's the point of this if they consider us to be rams and prostitutes (and often to the point).
    The only right decision is to separate them, to remove all the remaining Russians in advance from all over the Caucasus, build up real fortifications on the border of the Stavropol Territory and other regions bordering the North Caucasus, deploy combat-ready units on the border, and begin the gradual deportation of the Caucasian population back to their homeland (Azerbaijan, Georgia and Republic of SK).
  35. turnip
    turnip
    0
    April 22 2011 14: 44
    ROTOR -you are a fool or you are taught somewhere. Where did you see the Ingush homeless, about the use of force - READ THE CAREFULLY ATTENTIVELY
    dominion- totally agree with you
  36. -1
    April 22 2011 15: 02
    Sergio

    I fully support it! Today, in the country, weak power and the Caucasus must be held in any way, money ANYWHERE. While there you need to endure oil. There are some, well-known countries, refine themselves under what pretext will they invade a country for oil and they want to give it to At the expense of severe force suppression, in the old days a certain Timur, or Tamerlan, was more familiar to everyone, also visited the Caucasus, this one did not cire with the rebels, cut it to the root and why ??? !!
    The next time they came in the same place and again resist!
  37. Sergio
    +1
    April 22 2011 15: 22
    Quote: Alexxx
    alexxx


    Well, if you are a "connoisseur" of imperialist conquests, and you don’t have Google - on, read briefly, you’ll suddenly search for a lot of bukaf:
    http://www.rusnauka.com/CCN/Istoria/1_babushkin.doc.htm

    And then it was necessary to "bend" so as not to mischievous: they did not make raids, did not seize slaves, did not destroy the created.
    Before that war, the border with the highlanders passed along the Azov-Mozdok defense line, which was created even under Catherine 2. And then the bastards constantly climbed. Learn the story, son.

  38. Escander
    +2
    April 22 2011 15: 24
    ROTOR
    --- "If the force method of solving the so-called problem begins, YOU ALL SITTING WILL GO TO THE ARMY! ?? YOU ARE ALL ABOUT ANYTHING except for answering! .."

    Am I the wrong hands? It will be necessary, I'll go down again (commander - Budanov).
    For all here, do not go broke.
  39. Sergio
    -1
    April 22 2011 16: 08

    Eskander, do not react so to the hysterical cries of ignoramuses, footcloths who did not smell. They are in the majority here. And it's good if some of them think with their own brains, and do not retell the "experts" from the shit box.
  40. Joker
    0
    April 22 2011 16: 21
    Friends, Comrades.

    One hell as long as we have a "dead" government, nichrome by and large will not change.

    The system at the moment is such that without being crap to emerge in the vertical of the leadership of our policy is unrealistic. IMHO
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  42. Serg83
    +1
    April 22 2011 16: 44
    I live in the Stavropol Territory, therefore, I know this problem not by hearsay but also by the case. In my opinion, this problem has several aspects: 1 Caucasians respect only the strong ones, but since at the moment our state and the Russian nation are mostly degrading, this is the reason for this all problems, 2 Independence cannot be granted since this will entail, firstly, the growth of separatism throughout the country; secondly, we will get a huge outbreak of terrorism gangsterism drug trafficking in the slave trade near our borders; in the third, Georgia will return to it without land borders and then we will receive NATO base is on its verge! That is, as a result, we will get a drain of problems that will surpass the current ones. And to solve them, we will need much more money than is currently allocated to the North Caucasus Federal District and unfortunately for the most part settles in the hands of a select few. fourthly, we will get the genocide of the Christian population in all republics except Ossetia. 3 Spending huge financial resources on the North Caucasus Federal District is possible only in the short-term in the long-term; as a result, it will only lead to a worsening situation. it is this process that we are observing now, but in my opinion it will not be able to solve the problem in any way. In the short-term, it at least provides some kind of stability. Yes, and let's say oil and gas prices fall on the world market, what will MOSCOW do then? And IN THIS CASE THE PROBLEM OF THE CAUCASUS will immediately and sharply escalate. And in this case it will be necessary either to solve by force or to separate, which is even worse! 4 A series of brutal operations should not be carried out so far. They should be carried out when a favorable world situation develops, when the United States Arabs and Turks are a little not well for us, or at least some of them are not for us. The plan for this operation should also be well prepared with active propaganda zomboyaschiku and stuff, and of course, with the active involvement of the local Cossacks, we don’t even need to expel us. And the conclusion is only one wait a little ....
  43. Sergio
    -1
    April 22 2011 16: 51
    Serg83, and where are you from?
    I am from Nevinnomyssk.
  44. Nicholas
    -1
    April 22 2011 18: 58
    It is not a matter of nationality: no nationalities are vicious by definition.
    It's not about religion: building a modern state on a religious basis is stupid, because the apotheosis of any religion is stupid medieval obscurantism.
    The point is statehood. With the growth of labor productivity and the accumulation of excess product, it became possible to create states that, on the one hand, impose certain obligations on their citizens, and on the other hand, maintain an order acceptable to the majority. However, somewhere, due to objective natural circumstances, labor productivity was low. The population did not have sufficient means to create a state. Sometimes it was even more profitable to engage not in the production of material goods, but in other forms of activity. For example, medieval Swiss were hired in foreign armies, and modern Somali pirates are engaged in robbery. At some point in the history of mankind, the state form of association has become the most appropriate and universally recognized. And almost all livable land was divided between states. This happened relatively recently, and in the territories of all states were groups of people who are alien to the idea of ​​statehood. But they cannot exist outside the state, because they do not have a tradition of creative activity. Their ideal is to live in a state, but not bear any responsibility to it.
    The conclusion is simple and obvious: to strengthen the state and fight against its enemies. But what about the "highest" - liberal values? Yes, very simple. They are supported by those who want to destroy this state. If you do not want to secure a dollar and do not allow transnational corporations to host, then you need to instill liberal values.
  45. slan
    slan
    0
    April 22 2011 20: 21
    I would like a different solution, but they only understand the power. But as they understand.
  46. NS
    NS
    +3
    April 22 2011 20: 28
    everything is simple with the Caucasus:

    1) deport all abreks home to the mountains and take the Slavs from there
    2) enclose along the perimeter of their reservation with barbed wire, minefields and other fortifications
    3) eliminate all abreks with the use of missile and artillery strikes, carpet bombing, chemical weapons and other mass extremities

    the problem is solved! as Stalin said, no man - no problem)
    1. aL13n
      0
      2 May 2011 21: 31
      Test comment # 5.
      1. aL13n
        0
        2 May 2011 21: 32
        Test comment # 6.
        1. aL13n
          0
          2 May 2011 21: 32
          Test comment # 7.
          1. aL13n
            0
            2 May 2011 21: 33
            Test comment # 8.
  47. Veselchak U
    0
    April 22 2011 20: 29
    Tu Farvil Today, 12:42 - -1 +
    "If Lebed would not have climbed in due time with his peacemaking ravings in Chechnya"
    his "nonsense" then helped us to stay alive, between the Prut and Dniester rivers, here we have a monument to him for saving the Russians, and about the cart that he could supposedly become "a Russian Naepoleon and therefore evacuated with a combat helicopter ..." sourly in a chubchek, I know that I can live here in the country of Moldova and write to you in Russian in good health thanks to his personal WILL, but I cannot discuss the part of his work for Russia that he did for Chechnya, I don’t know, and
    EVERLASTING MEMORY!!!
  48. His
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    April 22 2011 20: 47
    The article is modern, I think is correct. I believe that it is no longer possible to divide Russia, to separate the Caucasus. Otherwise, we will have the Moscow principality, from which we went to that and will come (to the trough according to Pushkin).
  49. Eric
    Eric
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    April 22 2011 21: 29
    Alexxx Today, 13:18 PM

    You got such rubbish! Only a laugh remains!

    Figwa truly thinks at the expense of the Indians!

    Then someone spoke about the war in the blood! Hide and don’t say that anymore! In Chechnya, they have already proved how warriors they are!

    About throats and "Feds" to comrade Rotor strangely strange hmm ... and what proof can you give? I know there have been similar cases, but how many are there? One two? Maximum three? So don't start this topic! And I don’t need anything about Pol.Budanov right now, or even worse about some New Aldy! This will only make me laugh even more! :)

    If once again something like this happens as before the 94th year in Chechnya (ibid.) Then I assure them that they will be replenished by the time of the tenth future tribe on the patrimonial land by the time of the brothel! Revenge Avenger AND AGAIN REvenge! Friendship of nations is forged by bombs! ODAB-500 is desirable!
  50. Serg83
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    April 22 2011 21: 32
    Essentuki forewer generally from here
  51. Georgy
    Georgy
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    April 22 2011 21: 33
    1. Change the administrative-territorial division. In Russia there should be only provinces without any national coloring.
    2. Stop talking a lot about the Caucasus.
    3. Stop producing dependents, and not only in the Caucasus.
    4. Remove religion from public life.
    5. Exalt the Russian people.
    6. Create conditions for the traditional and honest work of local residents.
    7. Hard to deal with relatives of bandits.
    8. Help reborn Tersky Cossacks. Part of his land in the Soviet era moved the Caucasian republics.
    9. Clear, constant and well-organized work on the complete elimination of the underground.
    10. A lot of economic leverage.
    11. Do this and much more, incl. and in the field of propaganda, there must be honest and strong-willed people, no matter who they are by nationality. The main thing is that these are statists working for the benefit of our land.
  52. Eric
    Eric
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    April 22 2011 21: 46
    Georgy

    Are you, comrade, offering us bondage again? They don't deserve all this! They don’t deserve the stupid civilization of gas light and other delights! They were given the opportunity to work but didn’t want to do it themselves! I agree with points for the common good of the country number 1,3,5,6,8,11. I attribute everything else to the work of aviation and artillery!

    By the way, guys, here's the data for you to backfill! :) The Republic of Ingushetia is !!!100% gasified!!! I live in the Black Earth Region and can only dream of that kind of money so that it would be enough to steal and spend gas mmmm...
  53. +3
    April 22 2011 22: 06
    Therefore, the solution to the problems of the North Caucasus lies in line with the restoration of Freedom and Autocracy by the Russian people - not in terms of the monarchy, but in terms of their concept of life, Russian power. After this, based on historical experience, the North Caucasus will be Russian.
    Well said, but what is Russian power? No one argues that the Russians are a state-forming nation, but the brother of the steppes, the Kalmyk, can say, I do not need Russian power, I am a Kalmyk and voluntarily entered into Russian citizenship. The basis of any document, any act is the conceptual apparatus. And it is probably more appropriate to talk not about Russian power, but about Russian, because it was not for nothing that the empire was Russian, and in the world we have been known since the 18th century as Russia. And if the power is Russian, then in theory it should go back not to Russia, but to Rus' and the Russian kingdom, within their territorial borders, and then the Kalmyk brother will have his own Kalmyk power, and under Russia he can only have Russian power.
    In relation to the UK, accordingly - if we are talking about the Russian kingdom, then this is the geopolitical space of Persia (Iran) and Turkey, as well as Ukraine. Well, if we talk about the Russian Empire and Russia, then, respectively, the UK and Armenia, that is, the entire Caucasus, including Georgia, and part of Turkey with the Bosporus and Dardanelles, and even Iran, this is our zone of geopolitical dominance and we must behave accordingly, as for example in 2008.
  54. ROI is
    ROI is
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    April 22 2011 23: 03
    There is only one solution to the problems of the Caucasus - to disconnect, but the question is who will come to the next shift, USA, China or Western Europe
    1. svvaulsh
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      22 July 2011 16: 50
      And then the Mongols, Poles with Lithuanians, Swedes will come and all that will remain from Russia is the Novgorod principality. First learn the history of the Russian State, then separate.
  55. figwam
    figwam
    +1
    April 22 2011 23: 11
    If we take RUSSIA as an organism, then the Caucasus is its weak point, the body is weakened, the Caucasus is breaking out, the body is healthy, the Caucasus is our health resort.

    There will be order in the center, and the Caucasus will calm down!
  56. Kavkaz
    0
    April 23 2011 00: 14

    figwam,



    Every fifth resident of the republic fought on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War. In 1941, 40186 people were sent to the North Ossetian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, and in general for 1941-1945 - 89934 citizens of the republic. Of these, more than 45500 people did not return from the battlefields; every second representative of North Ossetia who participated in the war died at the front.


    Someone here was counting crime per capita, but count how many natives of Ossetia were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union during the Second World War, more than all Heroes of the Union per capita..
    72 soldiers from North Ossetia were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union..

    So, don’t blather here about would-be patriots or jingoists...
  57. -1
    April 23 2011 08: 23
    I lived half my life in the Caucasus. I know their mentality and laws. Here the majority spoke in favor of a tough policy in the style of Stalin and Ermolov. This is a big mistake. Firstly, Russia is weak now. Secondly, they, that is, Muslims, are ready to die for their faith. And you, all those who spoke out for tough policies? Are you ready to go and die for dubious causes? Or do you want to do everything with someone else's hands? In addition, we have different cultures. There are things that are normal for us but completely unacceptable for them. For example, a drunk man choking on his own vomit. Or a drunk and stoned girl ready to give herself to anyone she meets for a bottle. We are now despised, and with good reason. We have no faith or aspirations. not a national idea that could unite the mass of Russian people. There is only beer, drugs, and vodka, and also American culture. From which thousands of Russian people are dying and degenerating. No, I was wrong. More like millions. In addition, do not forget that after the war in Chechnya, paradoxically, our remaining part of the economy remained alive. Chechens and other representatives of Caucasian nationalities began to largely control it. For example, Auto VAZ or Russian Coal. And also all the organized crime. In addition, huge multi-billion dollar injections for the restoration of the Chechen economy. Doesn't this mean anything to you? I love my country and my culture and it pains me to watch it die. Therefore, think about whether it is worth conquering the Caucasus and killing the remnants of your nation. That's why I am for the separation of the Caucasus.
  58. Joker
    0
    April 23 2011 11: 01
    Kavkaz,
    - I have nothing against Ossetians, in principle they are not bad guys, if in general.

    - We are talking about crimes about our beloved and most peaceful republic.
  59. +2
    April 23 2011 12: 46
    As I understand it, let’s separate not only the Caucasus, but also give up the Krasnodar region, the Stavropol region, and why bother with trifles, and the Kuril Islands to the Japanese, and so that they don’t get offended and the whole of Sakhalin into the bargain!
    In the film "Battalions Asking for Fire" there is an episode where one officer says to another - if you are scared, if you are afraid, then go to a distant trench and shoot yourself, only quietly, so that the soldiers do not see. If you are afraid to defend your land, bequeathed to us by our grandfathers, if you want to give it away, then don’t shoot yourself, but rather hang yourself, but you didn’t conquer the Kemsk volost, it’s not for you to give it back. The SK department is closed outlets and the Black Sea and the lost Caspian Sea, with its oil reserves. This is the loss of Crimea, Ukraine. Remember, when they gave in to the UK, Ukraine immediately turned to the West. And Brzezhinski also said - Ukraine is a place of assembly of Russian identity, without Ukraine Russia is Rus', Rus' without Siberia and the Urals, without a significant part of the Volga region. Such a Rus' will not survive in the modern “tolerant” world, just as Yugoslavia and Iraq did not survive, which by the way is a Muslim country ready to fight to the death, by the way.
    I repeat once again - you are not ready to stand up for yourself, you are ready to give up part of your Motherland, be prepared for the fact that you will not have a future and your children will be allowed to have organs like in the Philippines, and your children will curse you.
  60. stepan
    0
    April 23 2011 14: 59
    Discussing this problem in the same way as our grandfathers did or pretending to try to distribute iPhones and Kinder Surprises taken from Russians is futile. There is only one solution to the problem: we need to solve the problem pragmatically: 1. create really strong and equipped bases around the perimeter in territory with a friendly population in which commanders and fighters worked according to the general principle of the Israeli army “act as I do.” 2. based on these bases, talk to Caucasians who always pretend to be mega cool, if you want money from the budget, we will give it to the construction of enterprises with the help of which you yourself will earn as much as you need.
    ps this is possible if someone like me or the adequate “Lukashenko” takes over the management of Russia.
    1. svvaulsh
      +1
      22 July 2011 16: 55
      Quote: stepan
      ps this is possible if someone like me or the adequate “Lukashenko” takes over the management of Russia.


      Wolfych! Are you!??
  61. ROTOR
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    April 23 2011 16: 35
    At least I heard some “sober thoughts”, and not stupid statements in a fit of feelings like (BUILD A WALL WITH BARBED WIRE AND BOMB THEM WITH ROCKETS) I haven’t heard anything stupider yet.... People here don’t understand that not everyone is there on the TFR, no matter where exactly , in Chechnya, Dagestan or anywhere else there are good people who finish everything with their own hands. I myself know in what conditions people have to live there, who work every day, unlike snickering Moscow, which doesn’t care whether it allocates money and whether it reaches the people or not, it doesn’t care. You’re all screaming here like, parasites here and there and not there enterprise, there are no factories, and what should young people do with their energy??? How do they become drunkards in Russian villages??? or something even worse!!!
  62. Banzai
    +1
    April 24 2011 04: 48
    The voting results accurately reflect the percentage of the peoples of Russia. For those interested, see the diagram of the same name. I’m not a magician.
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  65. Maj.
    Maj.
    +1
    April 25 2011 10: 58
    No need to leave. This is our land. It is abundantly watered with the blood of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers. We need tough policies. The country needs a tough leader. But there is no time for fanaticism. Ermolov was unable to stop the war in the Caucasus with his harshness. A combination of toughness and feeding is needed.
  66. ROTOR
    -3
    April 25 2011 11: 39
    Damn, why are you all talking about NATO, the worse they are, they will immediately run to the pendos......maybe the Russian Federation itself will become part of NATO, and wake it up as another satellite! How do you know!? How much talk has been going on about this, politicians expressing opinions, etc., etc.......

    And this ((Major)) was never Russian land, but it was captured.....and as for the blood of grandfathers and ancestors, this is a controversial issue!!!
  67. Escander
    0
    April 25 2011 13: 07
    ROTOR

    “Russia is a NATO satellite” - is this a joke? (read why NATO was created).
    And they won’t run to the pendos, they will run to us if a mess breaks out.

    So you, ROTOR, did not answer.
    How do you think to resolve the issue (let’s discard NATO) in the event of the “Caucasian Aboriginal War”? What advice will you give us here in this case (100%)?
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  69. Russian Resistance of Donbass
    0
    3 May 2011 16: 02
    “Ukrainian” is a P.I.D.A.R who betrayed his family of Rus and his Russia. Death to the freaks and traitors!
    Dmitry from Zaporozhye, if you consider yourself a “Ukrainian” then others will certainly do the same
    vomit, because the “Ukrainian” P.I.D.A.R. betrayed his family of Rusov and his
    Russia. If this occupied territory were Austro-Hungarian-Jewish special services
    They called it not “Ukraine”, but P.I.D.A.R.A.S.T.I.E.Y., then this was the logical beginning of the emergence of “Ukraine”.
    And in general, if you live in Rus' and call yourself a “Ukrainian,” then this is already an incurable disease. It is very alarming when a person was Rus and Rusich along the line of his ancestors, and suddenly suddenly became a “Ukrainian”, which means a FAGAR. It’s time to cleanse our Russian land of this garbage! Death to the “ugly” freaks!
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    1. Winchester
      +1
      11 July 2011 14: 50
      The adequacy is obvious...
  70. Goldy
    0
    28 July 2011 09: 27
    what other department? forget about it
  71. Goldy
    0
    28 July 2011 09: 36
    I look at the results of the survey and am surprised, they are only pessimists. There is no need to advocate for the split of the country, we have already lost so many territories