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Second Chernobyl on the way?

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Second Chernobyl on the way?Anti-Russian insanity in Ukraine is growing stronger. Okay, the idea is there is a reverse gas supply, what's the difference where they come from, from Slovakia, Slovenia or from where. Pay all the same-Russia. And I don’t think that in Europe they will be happy to lend Ukraine gas.


But the abandonment of Russian nuclear fuel and the planning of signing a contract with the American firm Westinghouse is already an obvious insanity.

Still, nuclear power plants - this is not a car. Aby that there will not thrust. Moreover, the aforementioned company already had the sad experience of cramming its fuel elements into the reactors of the South-Ukrainian NPP in the 2011 year. It turned out not just crooked. There was a scandal, the essence of which was poor-quality production of shells of fuel cell rods, which began to deform directly in the reactor. It cost. With the help of our own experts. And here again.

In general, Westinghouse has been sleeping for a long time and sees that it will press our enterprises from the nuclear fuel market. There was an experiment in the Czech Republic, was in Finland. The result - after thoughtful reflection, both Czechs and Finns continued to use our fuel. Apparently, for good reason.

There are several aspects related to fuel for nuclear power plants.

The first. The mentioned stations were built by our specialists and “ground” for our fuel. Once again, the NPP is not a car, it’s all the same to the car, whose gasoline in the tank, if only it complies with the standards. Nuclear fuel has many aspects to use. And just to take and stuff instead of the Russian American in favor of political ambitions - to put it mildly, it is risky.

Changing one type of fuel to another is not a quick process. It must be justified and calculated.

The second nuance. Unfortunately, in the field of nuclear energy, the United States is not a superpower. They were not able to organize the processing of waste items. Therefore, they simply dispose of all their fuel elements. That is, stored in spetsmililnikah. On its territory.

Under all contracts for the supply of nuclear fuel, the USSR and Russia included and include a clause on the utilization and recycling of used elements on their own. That is, we take, process and so on.

Alas, Westinghouse does not provide such a service. And then, that they are abnormal or something, someone's there to drag the spent fuel to themselves and store? His, as they say, enough.

The third point. This company is the author of a very highly acclaimed project in the recent past. What am I talking about? Right, Fukushima. It was Westinghouse that created this, sorry, miscarriage from nuclear energy and ensured its proper operation. I do not want to add anything else, we all watched the reports, we all heard the opinions of experts that not everything was done properly.

Politics, ambitions, ambitions, but all the same and. about. Ukrainian authorities sometimes recall that they are not only yelling their heads on Independence. And do not look for nuclear adventures on the European backs.

And I would advise the gentlemen from the IAEA to take up the real work. That is to reason with pseudo-politicians who have imagined themselves as experts in the field of nuclear energy. Until it's not too late!
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  1. bubalik
    bubalik April 11 2014 07: 50
    +41
    Politics, ambitions, ambitions, but all the same and. about. Ukrainian authorities sometimes recall that they are not only yelling their heads on Independence. And do not look for nuclear adventures on the European backs.


    ,,, stupidity transforms into reality ,, what,,,,,
    1. maks-101
      maks-101 April 11 2014 08: 01
      +27
      they want little Chernobyl alone, but at what station will they experiment if on Rivne then let them try, and the Poles will be blessed with zapadentsi.
      1. invisibility
        invisibility April 11 2014 08: 39
        +22
        This is our safety !!! No figs, it is necessary to take Ukrainian nuclear power plants under protection!
        Maidanut ...
        1. Ataman
          Ataman April 11 2014 10: 04
          +41
          Last year, Russia stopped supplying nuclear fuel to US nuclear power plants. America does not have enough fuel for its nuclear power plants. That is why they are so zealously fighting for the closure of nuclear power plants around the world except their own. No one will supply TVELs to Ukraine, and even more so for free. First they will arrange a mess, and then the Ukrainians will be forced to close all their nuclear power plants, as the Baltic states were forced to.
          1. Lazy
            Lazy April 11 2014 10: 46
            +33
            Exactly! USA AGAINST nuclear power around the world! Because they themselves turned out to be complete suckers in it and the leadership of Russia here very much confuses them. Even in spite of the fact that ASEs are considered the most environmentally friendly in the world, "ecologists" are very actively fighting them. If Ukraine follows this path, then over time it will be offered to switch to other energy sources, incl. so-called "alternative". But since it will be, to put it mildly, not affordable for Ukraine itself, they will stop at the good old coal-fired power plants (the best option for Ukraine). This will be beneficial for the environment !!! Well, those nuclear power plants that exist are waiting for the fate of the Ignalina nuclear power plant. Glory to Ukraine! -)))
            1. pvn53
              pvn53 April 11 2014 11: 29
              +14
              If the Lord wants to punish someone, he robs his mind. Is Europe there was little Chernobyl. When will she (Europe) think herself, at least about herself? Lord, punish America! Everything in the world is vile, vile, negative - from there.
              1. poccinin
                poccinin April 12 2014 02: 25
                +4
                when the next Chernobyl hits, then they run in and say "RUSSIA is to blame" they now don't think anything at all. The project "UKRAINE" is over.
              2. kocclissi
                kocclissi April 12 2014 16: 15
                0
                And Europe is probably not enough of this: http: //topwar.ru/uploadhttp: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/341/btjf384.jp
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                1. kocclissi
                  kocclissi April 12 2014 16: 19
                  +1
                  Here's another, still building!
            2. pvn53
              pvn53 April 11 2014 11: 29
              +3
              If the Lord wants to punish someone, he robs his mind. Is Europe there was little Chernobyl. When will she (Europe) think herself, at least about herself? Lord, punish America! Everything in the world is vile, vile, negative - from there.
              1. jjj
                jjj April 11 2014 11: 44
                +12
                The design of our reactors is such that in the event of an emergency, they are shut down. Even if everything melts, it will drain into a special container under the reactor. "Fukushima" is structurally impossible for us. As for Chernobyl, a number of "manual" manipulations with the automatic protection turned off led to the explosion.
                The bottom line is that one should not wait for radiation, but stop Ukrainian NPPs. And the rise in electricity prices on an independent
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx April 11 2014 14: 43
                  +6
                  Quote: jjj
                  As for Chernobyl, a series of "manual" manipulations with the automatic protection turned off led to the explosion.
                  The bottom line is that one should not wait for radiation, but stop Ukrainian NPPs.

                  the problem is that now no one will guarantee that they will not swindle anything ...
                  this time ...

                  second, there are all reactor reactors there - VVER-1000, in order to install new fuel in such reactors they must be technically drowned out ...
                  1. ACKiPaPa,
                    ACKiPaPa, April 13 2014 10: 21
                    +1
                    Dear jjj, DanaF1 and others. Let's immediately decide: THERE WAS NO EXPLOSION IN CHERNOBYL !!!! Otherwise, there would now be a small and neat crater on the site of the 4th, and not only, block. There was also a violation of the integrity of the reactor shell, which led to the evaporation of the cooler of the inner circuit (so-called "heavy water") into the atmosphere. It was this radioactive vapor that caused all the destruction. Without it, the entire core melted accordingly. To the credit of our designers, only she, the outer shell generally survived.
                2. Basarev
                  Basarev April 11 2014 20: 29
                  +5
                  It is necessary to save Ukraine. First Southeast. Southeast is Russian territory! And then take up Western Ukraine. We will carry out explanatory work among these buffoons - you look, brains will become clear.
          2. aksai61
            aksai61 April 11 2014 16: 38
            +3
            The nuclear power plants built by the Soviet Union were closed in Bulgaria ... France and Siemens own the right to nuclear power plants in Europe ... wink
            As a heat engineer, I’ll say from what the teacher told us about the nuclear power plant ... Our TVELs have different reserves .... that is, they can work in American and European reactors, but on the contrary ... FIG soldier
            1. dmitrij.blyuz
              dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 16: 43
              +3
              Anatoly! From where infa! It seems like "Kozloduy" at power. We take out assemblies from there periodically. And an agreement was signed on the construction of two more reactors. Moreover, the work has already begun. But about the assemblies, you are right.
              1. oldstaryi
                oldstaryi April 11 2014 19: 42
                +2
                Anatoly! From where infa! It seems like "Kozloduy" at power. We take out assemblies from there periodically. And an agreement was signed on the construction of two more reactors. Moreover, the work has already begun. But about the assemblies, you are right.


                Finns recently ordered the construction of a nuclear power plant again ... wassat
                1. dmitrij.blyuz
                  dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 19: 49
                  +1
                  While the tender is on, but the Finns are leaning towards us.
          3. ksv1973
            ksv1973 April 11 2014 22: 38
            +7
            Quote: Ataman
            No one will supply TVELs to Ukraine, and even more so for free. First they will arrange a mess, and then the Ukrainians will be forced to close all their nuclear power plants, as the Baltic states were forced to.

            And why, in fact, do Bandera residents need electricity? The fire of burning "bald" tires is enough for them to illuminate the streets. And the USA and Europe will provide them with an immeasurable amount of this "good" at the best price.
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          5. 31231
            31231 April 11 2014 23: 16
            +2
            It’s like with shale gas. For PR to the camera, a couple of deliveries will be made and forgotten.
      2. invisibility
        invisibility April 11 2014 08: 39
        +5
        This is our safety !!! No figs, it is necessary to take Ukrainian nuclear power plants under protection!
        Maidanut ...
        1. Sunjar
          Sunjar April 11 2014 09: 50
          +22
          And everyone feeds with fairy tales what cool scientists they have (if they are cool, then these are Russian scientists who came to them), what cool technique they have, how everything is clearly controlled, not like in barbarous backward Russia. Look, in the backward USSR, the Chernobyl nuclear power plant was gasping, but Fukushima and I had everything by the way, no need to worry. Although many competent people working at nuclear power plants and related to nuclear energy say that it is much worse with Fukushima than with Chernobyl, because we have withered and this whole thing has been concreted, and with us it is smoldering, smoldering, radiation is pouring into the ocean, pouring.

          As for the rejection of their fuel by our Soviet-Russian reactors: this is because our "barbaric backward reactors" do not want to accept their "developed democratic fuel"

          And Greenpeace is close and not to be seen, just like in the Gulf of Mexico "Deepwater Horizon". Well, in both cases, "democratic accidents", in contrast to the Soviet barbaric disaster in Chernobyl. So Greenpeace preferred to spend money with the Russian non-dangerous (since it was not even launched at that time) Prirazlomnaya. Whoever feeds and drinks the girl dances her.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko April 11 2014 10: 35
            +7
            Quote: Sunjar
            And everyone feeds tales of what cool scientists they have.

            This is the most important thing - "People" loves it and hawala.
            Quote: Ataman
            Last year, Russia cut off nuclear fuel supplies for US nuclear power plants.

            Comrad started a thought and did not finish: in 2013. The HEU-LEU program ended "suddenly". Through which 14446 tons of LEU (low-enriched uranium) were exported from Russia for a penny !! This volume allegedly covered 40% of the needs of the industry since 2000, and the main thing is, of course, the amount of the transaction: The total income of the Russian side from the implementation of the Agreement is about 17 billion USD, budgetary receipts are 13 billion USD (where did the 4 lard go?)
            And this is just the surface of the iceberg!
            Uranium sold at the price of gold !!! crying
            Let us recall the attempt to introduce a customs duty of 116% back in 1992.
            And it is many times more expensive !!!
            Now our EPP, they are trying to give out and fuck suckers for "zaokiyanskiy".
            Where is the logic, where is the mind?
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx April 11 2014 14: 53
              0
              Quote: Papakiko
              The total income of the Russian side from the implementation of the Agreement is about 17 billion USD, budget revenues 13 billion USD (where did the 4 lard go?)

              to Rosatom’s income?
              1. dmitrij.blyuz
                dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 16: 47
                0
                Have something against Rosatom?
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx April 11 2014 17: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                  Have something against Rosatom?

                  just the opposite...
                  Comrade Papakiko hints that they plundered the 4 yards, but I’m saying that Rosatom should also have profits from the transaction, and not just the State ...
                  1. dmitrij.blyuz
                    dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 17: 22
                    +3
                    Dana! love With deep respect, but Papakio’s deep misconception regarding theft of finances in Rosatom is the only organization, by the way, which has put the prerogative of the fight against embezzlement, and it’s not bad at all. There are people who catch it. Now mittens sew. concluded contracts-4 billion is just a penny. We are not going to trifles. Look at the Rosatom.ru site. Now I’ll drop the link about my plant. === http: //yandex.ru/clck/jsredir? from = yandex.ru% 3Byandsearch % 3B
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                    1. Papakiko
                      Papakiko April 11 2014 18: 34
                      +4
                      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                      But Papakio’s deep misconception about stealing finances in Rosatom.

                      I would be happy to be deeply mistaken, but-but-but-but also a lot of razzzz but.
                      How "cool" people live in Novouralsk, Ozersk (even with certificates of honor and other regals from the "parent" company) I know not by hearsay.
                      How many companies and hard workers threw money at the construction of the BN-800 in Zarechny is difficult to count, take into account.

                      Therefore, do not "judge" me "strictly" for "bias" towards such an office as Rosatom.
                      1. 31231
                        31231 April 11 2014 23: 21
                        +2
                        Strange, he worked both on the construction of 4 power units of the Belarusian nuclear power plant and on the radioactive waste storage in Novouralsk. I did not hear complaints about scam with money.
                        In Novouralsk quite a lot of housing is being introduced.
            2. oldstaryi
              oldstaryi April 11 2014 19: 46
              +1
              Comrad started a thought and did not finish: in 2013. The HEU-LEU program ended "suddenly". Through which 14446 tons of LEU (low-enriched uranium) were exported from Russia for a penny !! This volume allegedly covered 40% of the industry's needs since 2000, and the main thing is, of course, the amount of the transaction: The total income of the Russian side from the implementation of the Agreement is about 17 billion USD, budgetary receipts are 13 billion USD (where did the 4 lard?)
              And this is just the surface of the iceberg!
              Uranium sold at the price of gold !!! crying
              Let us recall the attempt to introduce a customs duty of 116% back in 1992.
              And it is many times more expensive !!!
              Now our EPP, they are trying to give out and fuck suckers for "zaokiyanskiy".
              Where is the logic, where is the mind?


              No need to grieve, all life ahead! laughing In the Tomsk region found uranium deposits of 1,5 million tons. This exceeds ALL WORLD RESOURCES! We are waiting for NATO guests ... wassat
              1. Basarev
                Basarev April 11 2014 20: 36
                +4
                When the oil and gas industry runs out, we will have a unique opportunity to become the kings of the atom. Uranium is already the largest in the galaxy. And if we take into account the fast neutron reactors producing plutonium on an industrial scale, big profits shine here. As far as I remember, only we can build fast neutron reactors.
          2. Little Muck
            Little Muck April 11 2014 15: 59
            +2
            Perhaps my idea will look more conspiracy, but I think the issue with amerovskoy atomic "toys" TVELs is a time bomb not only for Russia, but also for Europe. And if the project with Ukraine fails, they will put a pig in the form of a nuclear disaster.
            1. dmitrij.blyuz
              dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 16: 48
              +1
              A little wrong. TVEL-Russian company.
              1. Little Muck
                Little Muck April 11 2014 16: 52
                0
                Maybe. I meant the stuffing for the reactor.
                1. dmitrij.blyuz
                  dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 17: 00
                  +2
                  The filling for the reactor is small blocks of 4 cm in diameter, 10 cm long. 150 such blocks are thrown into the RBMK channel. There are 3000 channels in total. This is for Megawat that we have. In Chernobyl, the number of channels was 1800. Weaker than ours . There’s a change of business done. Now it won’t work out. In modern reactors, you don’t need to fold off the blocks. There you completely remove the fuel rod, insert a new one. And that’s it.
              2. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx April 11 2014 17: 17
                +3
                Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                TVEL-Russian company.

                TVEL - a fuel element ...
                it is not only the name of the Rosatom-TVEL company, but also the fuel rod for the reactor ...
                1. dmitrij.blyuz
                  dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 17: 45
                  0
                  Therefore, the company was named TVEL. === fuel rod for the reactor ... === you can say so. But it’s not true.
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx April 11 2014 19: 23
                    +2
                    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                    === fuel rod for the reactor ... === you can say so. But not true.

                    I'm not a nuclear physicist ...
                    however, if I am not mistaken, a fuel rod is such a uranium rod that is placed in the reactor core ...
                    or am I not right?
                    1. dmitrij.blyuz
                      dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 19: 40
                      +3
                      In principle, right! loveThe fuel rod is such a construction, of eight corners, 17 meters long, consists of tubes, where uranium is. So somehow. In more detail, I dropped the link on this page. There is everything.
          3. Barmal
            Barmal April 11 2014 16: 28
            +4
            how I agree with you about Gripisov's dances. It is curious that if the Ukraine crashes after the use of American fuel, the Russians will again be to blame. That is, the backward technologies of the Russians. It has become so customary for us to listen and take for granted that everywhere we are backward and do not know how to do anything. And, bludge, everything Western confidently takes the heights of technological excellence. There is an opinion why we can't keep up with "Intel" http://habrahabr.ru/post/218171/

            I don’t look at our problems as insoluble, that we are losers in life and can’t do anything or are unable to do anything, or, as I’ve heard, the Russians haven’t invented anything. This is not entirely true, or rather not at all true. A lie. And not everything is so simple for the Kremlin at the present time, when it either ever faces the country. Technology today does a lot. Not everything, but a lot.
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        3. kori
          kori April 11 2014 13: 52
          +3
          Comrade General! Under whose protection? Russian? The face will be an undisguised invasion of the territory of a sovereign state. Do we need it? For everyone to finally establish themselves in the opinion that the Russians are ready to violate any norms and laws? It is useless to us.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx April 11 2014 14: 54
            0
            Quote: kori
            Do we need it? For everyone to finally establish themselves in the opinion that the Russians are ready to violate any norms and laws? It is useless to us.

            it will be bad for us if the South Ukrainian or Zaporizhzhya NPP explodes ...

            as for the Zapadensk NPPs, let the West be responsible for them ... in the end they will then glow ...
            1. APASUS
              APASUS April 11 2014 18: 53
              +2
              Quote: DanaF1
              it will be bad for us if the South Ukrainian or Zaporizhzhya NPP explodes ...

              Everything will be bad, regardless of borders and nationalities. Here is such a small example.
              In France, wine before Chernobyl costs much more wine after Chernobyl, precisely because the remnants of the cloud on Europe also poured with rains.
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx April 11 2014 19: 19
                +2
                Quote: APASUS
                Everything will be bad, regardless of borders and nationalities. Here is such a small example.
                In France, wine before Chernobyl costs much more wine after Chernobyl, precisely because the remnants of the cloud on Europe also poured with rains.

                it's all clear ...
                here the question is who will get more in case of an accident ...

                and another question is that there is an open type reactor (channel) in Chernobyl, so there was an explosion and spraying of the whole spectrum of particles in the biosphere ...
                all other reactors in Ukraine are new (I checked it myself today), which means that the result can be like in Fukushima, because core melting in the core, and then they just fall into the sump, if the sump is intact, then everything will remain there ...
                if not, then radiation will fall into groundwater, but there will be no release of alpha and beta particles into the atmosphere ...
                1. dmitrij.blyuz
                  dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 19: 48
                  +2
                  Chernobyl is an open-type reactor (channel), so there was an explosion and spraying of the entire spectrum of particles in the biosphere ... === It's not the reactor, but the competence of the personnel. RBMK-type reactors are quite reliable. For 50 years of operation, we have not had a state of emergency. The goat was cooked, and more than once. It happens to everyone! After Chernobyl, colossal work was carried out to provide. the safety of a reactor of this type. The main emphasis was placed on - "protection from the fool." This is such a thing that, with the wrong actions of managers, throws off the rods and thereby muffles the reaction regardless of people. And after that they get not sickly people, up to retake for aptitude, if not, dismissal.
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx April 11 2014 19: 58
                    0
                    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                    The matter is not in the reactor, but in the competence of the personnel. RBMK reactors are reliable enough.

                    I thought that all reactors of this type in the Russian Federation had already been shut down ...
                    the last one was Obninsky ...
                    1. dmitrij.blyuz
                      dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 20: 40
                      +3
                      You are right! As sad as it may seem, our last reactor was repaid in 2008. Namely RBMK. Ours was the last. Now it is in a doldrums condition. And we just graze it. Although it is dead. It is sad to see such power killed by the stroke of Chernomyrdin -Gor. Parasites. ADE-1 could still plow for about 30 years, just to heat the city. After major repairs, three months later, they put a knife under it. ADE-2 wasn’t capitalized. Now it’s standing in its room, nobody necessary. Sometimes we go to a nickle, for work, and it's so simple. We don’t go to a nickel itself. Blasphemy. We just stroke it with our hands. Longing for the past.
                2. oldstaryi
                  oldstaryi April 11 2014 19: 51
                  +2
                  it's all clear ...
                  here the question is who will get more in case of an accident ...

                  and another question is that there is an open type reactor (channel) in Chernobyl, so there was an explosion and spraying of the whole spectrum of particles in the biosphere ...
                  all other reactors in Ukraine are new (I checked it myself today), which means that the result can be like in Fukushima, because core melting in the core, and then they just fall into the sump, if the sump is intact, then everything will remain there ...
                  if not, then the radiation will fall into the groundwater, but the emission of al ..


                  Maydauns already tried to capture the nuclear power station, but received 12 corpses. It was a US plan ... so anything is possible there ... laughing
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx April 11 2014 21: 27
                    0
                    Quote: oldstaryi
                    Maydauns already tried to capture the nuclear power station, but received 12 corpses. It was a US plan ... so anything is possible there ...

                    they were still trying to take hostages of families of nuclear workers ...
                    1. dmitrij.blyuz
                      dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 21: 29
                      0
                      And the link? I have not heard that. love
                      1. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx April 11 2014 22: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                        And the link? I have not heard that.

                        pooh ... found ...
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                        0% B8% D0% BA1 /

                        as a result, we came to the conclusion that this is still a fake, but in principle one can expect this from Bandera ...
            2. dmitrij.blyuz
              dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 19: 57
              +1
              I didn’t minus you. However, you have to believe in reality. Now blowing up a reactor is more difficult than finding a black cat in a dark room! When it is not there.
      3. bvi1965
        bvi1965 April 11 2014 10: 35
        +3
        Yes, no, and it applies to us. From Chernobyl to the RAES 300 kilometers, maybe a little more. It doesn’t matter how much it hooks us, but Belarusians are a hundred pounds.
      4. 0255
        0255 April 11 2014 10: 57
        +4
        Quote: maks-xnumx
        they want little Chernobyl alone, but at what station will they experiment if on Rivne then let them try, and the Poles will be blessed with zapadentsi.

        no need to experiment at any nuclear power plant stop Remember Chernobyl - Chernobyl radiation reached Leningrad, Sweden and the USA, the radiation from Moscow was driven off by special aircraft - members of the CPSU Central Committee clearly did not want to be irradiated. And Belarus suffered the most. In any case, everyone will have a bad time, not only the maydauns
        1. yur
          yur April 11 2014 15: 08
          +5
          Quote: 0255
          radiation from Moscow was driven off by special aircraft -
          Have you already been awarded the Nobel Prize for the idea of ​​"driving away" radiation by airplanes or will it be just next year? Then ask for two at once - in physics and in the field of literature (section "fantasy"). fellow
      5. atarix
        atarix April 11 2014 11: 03
        +1
        in the event of an accident, radiation tails go east. it’s better not to experiment.
      6. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 11 2014 13: 28
        +1
        Quote: maks-xnumx
        and zapadentsi will be hallowed also by the Poles.

        It all depends on where the wind blows, maybe Belarus will light up, and maybe Russia with the center and east of Ukraine ...
        1. 0255
          0255 April 11 2014 14: 38
          +2
          Quote: PSih2097
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          and zapadentsi will be hallowed also by the Poles.

          It all depends on where the wind blows, maybe Belarus will light up, and maybe Russia with the center and east of Ukraine ...

          Belarus was already "lit up" on April 26, 1986, then the wind was blowing towards us.
      7. yur
        yur April 11 2014 15: 18
        +3
        Quote: maks-xnumx
        they only want a little Chernobyl, and at which station they will experiment
        In all this insanity there is one definite plus, then 100% will be the continuation of STALKER. laughing
        1. 0255
          0255 April 11 2014 18: 01
          +4
          Quote: yur
          In all this insanity there is one definite plus, then 100% will be the continuation of STALKER. laughing

          turning Ukraine into STALKER is not funny. No need to be ironic stop
          1. yur
            yur April 11 2014 20: 06
            +1
            Quote: 0255
            turning Ukraine into STALKER is not funny. No need to be ironic
            One must always be ironic; otherwise it is impossible to live. But to make sure that this horror does not happen, is the task of our governments. Sincerely.
      8. Val_y
        Val_y April 11 2014 15: 19
        +2
        So the fact of the matter is that they livestock will experiment on the South-Ukrainian. Hmm, comrades, it will not be possible to resolve this issue without "polite people", since this badyaga is deployed to the hype in the southeast, so we wait ... hi Otherwise "Stalker" throughout the territory of the Ruins stop
      9. medvedleopard
        medvedleopard April 12 2014 03: 46
        +2
        combed amerikosy, want to arrange one more, egghead and egg-laying soldier
      10. ACKiPaPa,
        ACKiPaPa, April 13 2014 10: 07
        +1
        quote: maks-101
        ... and the zapadentsi will be holy and the Poles.

        Alas, my friend - alas ... Unfortunately, as the same Chernobyl showed, everyone will get the nuts. Everything will depend on the wind rose. Yes, and my friend is ashamed - ashamed to laugh at the neighbors, they now and so unsweetened.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS April 11 2014 12: 07
      +2
      Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee), why is the picture attached to your article outdated, where is Crimea still Ukrainian?
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        April 11 2014 20: 47
        0
        But the devil knows ... Which editors put it, it’s worth it. laughing
    3. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 16: 40
      +7
      When replacing assemblies for RBMK reactors, such as those installed at nuclear power plants in Ukraine, you won’t have to wait for anything good. This is still a development of the USSR. No other technologies will be able to push nuclear fuel into the canals. It’s an immense amount of know-how that was created for RBMK reactors after Chernobyl. The protection of these boilers does not depend on the person. There are active and passive methods. The author correctly pointed out the article-reactors are sharpened by our fuel! Operation of these reactors is now provided not only by trained personnel, but also by automation systems that do not allow the process to fail, if necessary- the reactor will be shut off without the participation of people. Everything has been done for reliability and safety. Chernobyl is a distant past. Management errors are minimized. RBMK is already the past. VVER and RBN are being introduced. These boilers do not enrich uranium, they burn excess of it. Rosatom-in At present, it is not only the first, but also the only structure in the Nuclear Industry in the loop of the nuclear-hazardous cycle. We recycle, utilize. The French AREVA-even we made them, although they are considered to be lawmakers in nuclear energy.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm April 11 2014 18: 21
        +3
        Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
        French AREVA-even we made them, although they are considered legislators in nuclear energy.

        Good to hear, success in the future.
    4. Stalevar
      Stalevar April 12 2014 20: 07
      +2
      Nuclear power is not a Maidan; one cannot order another TVEL to work there. Having taken power, the Ukrainian primates understand that the summer in Nezalezhnaya is not infinite, and soon again winter, and again cold, and I don’t want to freeze. But how the fission of uranium nuclei occurs and what it is all about - a controlled nuclear reaction is not known to them, but I want no less heat from it. And here the GOOD uncles from a very developed country tell them that they know this very well and understand it and wish them only good !!! And primates enthusiastically clap their hands and feel their involvement in high technology and calm down about future frosts. And the uncles, having received the money, go home to a developed country and make fun of primates, for some reason cows with two heads are born, and their children are completely without heads. For some reason, damn warm !!!
  2. torrr38_41
    torrr38_41 April 11 2014 07: 52
    +9
    For evil mother-in-law I will knock out my eye, let her son-in-law be one-eyed wassat
    1. Narkom
      Narkom April 11 2014 08: 07
      +2
      it looks like I’ll chop off my head, let it be headless winked
      1. Nickanor
        Nickanor April 11 2014 08: 44
        +4
        In such matters, there can be no ambition!
  3. La-5
    La-5 April 11 2014 07: 55
    +61
    The position of the modern Ukrainian "authorities" is that we will do whatever we want, if only not with Russia.
    1. 0255
      0255 April 11 2014 11: 16
      +2
      Quote: La-5
      Joseph Stalin: If you say that every gram of shit eaten hurts m *** to the rocks, they will eat tons of it

      is it true that Stalin said this, or is it a joke of some blogger? In any case, the author of this statement is right, famously said good It must be said to the maydauns, at the same time they will solve the problem of hunger in them wassat Moreover, those who are still on the Maidan are no longer fed, they no longer pay them money, there’s not enough for everything that will be grown in Kiev beds laughing
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 11 2014 13: 31
        +7
        Quote: 0255
        is it true that Stalin said this, or is it a joke of some blogger?

        Precisely, the screen of Stalin’s response to Vyser Shukhevych at the All-Union Forum as early as 1942 ... fool
        1. 0255
          0255 April 11 2014 18: 57
          0
          Quote: PSih2097
          Precisely, the screen of Stalin’s response to Vyser Shukhevych at the All-Union Forum as early as 1942 ... fool

          And what, Stalin, who paid attention to the Bandera threat, could not say this about the Ukrainian supporters of fascism? And could not someone write this statement on the blog under the nickname "Joseph Stalin" and under his photo on the avatar?
    2. Strezhevsky
      Strezhevsky April 11 2014 11: 50
      +2
      Yes, in fact, the United States has the same sore, it’s also fanatically driving Europe into the same diagnosis ....... deer, what to take from them))) everywhere wherever they put their slingshot, insanity and devastation and other delights begin , this is nothing more than a fight against competition, as in war; all methods are good up to the genocide of any country in the world ...... and the phrase is so straightforward, they say business is personal nichrina !!!! In the deer reserve, they already began to mutilate themselves.
  4. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 11 2014 07: 55
    +5
    Now let the Geyropa itch ... from his own stupidity they will fall under such distribution fool didn’t expect Fukushima near by?
    1. Nickanor
      Nickanor April 11 2014 08: 30
      +6
      Worst of all, then Russia will have to rake it all up again ...
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 11 2014 10: 05
      +2
      In western Ukraine, winds are mainly western and southwest.
    3. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx April 11 2014 15: 04
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      Now let Geyropa itch ...

      may they not itch ...
      this is democratic radiation, they have immunity to it ...

      The grass burned out by the hydrogen sun
      Kangaroos are dogs
      Aborigines regained their rights
      A red flag fluttered over Canberra.
  5. rugor
    rugor April 11 2014 07: 56
    +11
    And to the IAEA gentlemen, I would advise you to do the real thing.


    Yes, gentlemen from the IAEA put on nuclear safety in the world. There will be a team "fas", they will write reports on violations in unwanted countries. It is not for nothing that so many Soviet nuclear power plants in Eastern Europe were shut down.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 11 2014 13: 33
      +3
      Quote: rugor
      No wonder that in Eastern Europe, so many Soviet nuclear power plants were closed.

      Competitors were removed there, for Western companies, plus Chernobyl was still at the hearing ...
    2. Maximxnumx
      Maximxnumx April 11 2014 13: 55
      +1
      so with many international organizations such as the UN, IAEA, Greenpeace
    3. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 16: 55
      +3
      Ruslan.Minusnul you. The gentlemen from the IAEA are quite adequate people. There are many of our specialists. The Japanese did not follow the advice of this organization in '96. Now they have Fukushima. And where in Europe did our reactors close? (Now right to speak, Russian design)
  6. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 11 2014 07: 56
    +3
    But this is more than serious. At the highest level, this must be stopped. In the border regions and the Crimea, this infection was also lacking.
  7. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 11 2014 07: 58
    +10
    Graduation madhouse continues ..
  8. Leisure
    Leisure April 11 2014 07: 58
    +5
    Oh god Thank you for living far from Ukraine.
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin April 11 2014 08: 25
      +4
      Oh god Thank you for living far from Ukraine.

      .......... and to me in a straight line 70 km ... scary
      1. I read the news
        I read the news April 11 2014 11: 14
        +2
        and some 30 km to two stations
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx April 11 2014 15: 06
          0
          Quote: I readNews
          and some 30 km to two stations

          in my opinion, you should now leave the exclusion zone ...
      2. 0255
        0255 April 11 2014 11: 19
        +1
        It is not known where radiation will go in the event of an accident at a nuclear power plant. request
      3. Amet Khan Sultan
        Amet Khan Sultan April 11 2014 11: 36
        +7
        Today on the map we figured, to Rostov-on-Don 399km from Zaporizhzhya NPP, a wind rose in our direction. We thought a lot ... decided, but not to open a machine gun, but to go disperse the maydauns.
  9. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov April 11 2014 07: 58
    +5
    Deprived rods, not the only atomic threat! The loss of specialists, the decline in living standards that would affect the level of staff training, security regime, and just a mess in the country! And this is not counting radicals frostbite on their heads, who don’t know what would come to mind!
    1. Tanarri
      Tanarri April 11 2014 14: 24
      +2
      My grandfather worked at the South Ukrainian nuclear power plant, and my father worked for several years. There, even in the 90s, everything was fine in the city with the economy compared to Kharkov, for example. So if some legal sectors do not blow up the station, everything will be all right there.
  10. saag
    saag April 11 2014 08: 09
    +4
    Yes, self-aggrandizement is such a thing that any sea seems knee-deep, and with nuclear power plants, state administration and other security, the part of the brain responsible for the logical part is disabled as an option, only the emotional plow for two
  11. rugor
    rugor April 11 2014 08: 09
    +3
    In the picture for the article, the map is outdated.
  12. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 11 2014 08: 13
    +4
    Amerikos ears and gas are already openly visible in everything, they will also deliver nuclear fuel, of course, go to the OZK or Europe! fool
  13. vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx April 11 2014 08: 16
    +17
    For a long time old Kipling said, but how it fits under the current leadership of Ukraine:

    “Listen, human cub,” said the bear to Balu, “I taught you the Law of the Jungle, but banderlogs do not have the Law.” Banderlogs are outcasts. They do not have their own dialect; they use stolen words. They do not have our customs. They have no memory.
    They claim that they are a great nation, but a nut falls, and they all forget about it.
    There are many banderlogs, they are evil, dirty, have no shame, and if they have any desire, then it is the desire to be noticed in the jungle. They are all going to choose their leader, draw up their own laws, come up with customs, but they never fulfill their plan ...
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 17: 09
      0
      Basil! Shaw, again? Maybe something new come up with?
  14. driver
    driver April 11 2014 08: 17
    +3
    Let them experiment closer to the borders of the EEC. And they will not forget about the "wind rose" so that the breeze in the direction of Merkel would blow even harder ...
    1. Nickanor
      Nickanor April 11 2014 08: 42
      +2
      In this case, it is better to refrain from experimenting with adhere to technology.
      If it covers, then not everyone will find it!
    2. Quantum
      Quantum April 11 2014 08: 59
      0
      Unfortunately, the breeze is constantly prevailing from west to
      east, sometimes southeastern rumbas (Balkan wind turbine). Kiev adventurers seem to flatter themselves
      hope that everything will work out. Russia needs to be
      Now, turn to the IAEA and the international community with
      the alarm bell on the threat of Europe. Tomorrow will be late!
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  15. ed65b
    ed65b April 11 2014 08: 17
    +6
    I watched yesterday how our Kiriyenko cheerfully talked so with a smile about how shandarahnet in Dill. I was thinking, maybe he should have contacted the IAEA or convened the UN Security Council. This is not Khuhra Mukhra if it tears away, but here we are.
    1. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor April 11 2014 08: 34
      +2
      Kamrad, it seems, is said according to the principle: "He who has ears, let him hear."
  16. asar
    asar April 11 2014 08: 19
    +3
    Well madhouse! Or according to the principle-if only Russia were worse? Where is the West looking? After all, it will cover not only Ukraine! There are no jokes at the nuclear power plant, Chernobyl, Fukushima ... Not enough ?! fool
  17. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun April 11 2014 08: 21
    +5
    It seems that in the West - a collective stupefaction. If God wants to punish someone, he destroys his mind.

    By the way, Europeans contradict Marx: they want to buy gas and oil more expensive than Russia supplies. But what about the profits of the capitalists?

    Themselves carved, gay men, damn it ...
  18. Flinky
    Flinky April 11 2014 08: 24
    +4
    Which is to be expected. Territory U becomes a repository for nuclear waste. Indeed, under the guise of fuel elements and waste, it is not a problem to transport waste. Where is the train about which the late Muzychko knew? Already moving to Pripyat?
  19. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 11 2014 08: 27
    +2
    The wind rose is such that all the muck will fly back to us. This is not just a matter of Ukraine’s security, but ours as well.
    1. Quantum
      Quantum April 11 2014 09: 03
      +1
      Yes, and Europe, will soon add soot from coal in order to get rid of cheap Russian gas. So, that everything in
      one bottle!
      1. kotvov
        kotvov April 12 2014 20: 45
        +2
        Do you think it’s so easy to transfer the station from gas to coal? It will have to be completely rebuilt. So it’s not so simple as the banderlogs in power would not like.
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  20. Singularist
    Singularist April 11 2014 08: 28
    +1
    If my memory serves me well, then under US law it is forbidden to import spent nuclear fuel into the country. So its disposal will be carried out in Ukraine or, God forbid, in Russia in accordance with the agreement concluded by Kiriyenko No. 123 (I may be mistaken, I read the article a long time ago) between Rosatom and the United States.
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    3. oldstaryi
      oldstaryi April 11 2014 20: 00
      +2
      If my memory serves me well, then under US law it is forbidden to import spent nuclear fuel into the country. So its disposal will be carried out in Ukraine or, God forbid, in Russia in accordance with the agreement N 123 signed by Kiriyenko (I may be mistaken, I have read the article for a long time) between Rosatom and the USA.


      Well are you panicking? Fuel processing is a profitable business. It is necessary under this business to take all weapons-grade plutonium from ukrov so that there are no thoughts about the atomic bomb! wassat
  21. slovak007
    slovak007 April 11 2014 08: 29
    +2
    What is the difference between an intelligent person and a silly person. Clever to learn from the mistakes of others, and remembers the story, and silly learn from their own experience! Well, what they see is better come.
    1. Nickanor
      Nickanor April 11 2014 08: 47
      +7
      Whatever the rake is taught, but the heart believes in miracles.
  22. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU April 11 2014 08: 30
    +4
    All ... until September I will not be here in Ukraine)))
    1. ed65b
      ed65b April 11 2014 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      All ... until September I will not be here in Ukraine)))

      I don’t understand, Glory where it will not be, in VO or in Ukraine?
  23. sazhka4
    sazhka4 April 11 2014 08: 33
    +3
    And where will the waste go? Shall we shed? It will not work .. Mattresses do not need them either ..
  24. mamont5
    mamont5 April 11 2014 08: 41
    +4
    Yes, if now it shies, then Chernobyl will appear as flowers. Now there is no such opportunity to gather so many people to prevent a disaster, especially in Ukraine. Are the pravoseks going to the reactor?
  25. Starominchanin
    Starominchanin April 11 2014 08: 45
    +10
    .... there is a positive point, STALKER will finally get a new storyline .....
    1. Morgan
      Morgan April 11 2014 12: 30
      +3
      And will players bury gigabytes or hectares? laughing
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        April 11 2014 20: 50
        +1
        Unfortunately, hectares.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 12 2014 10: 41
          0
          Quote: Banshee
          Unfortunately, hectares.

          In the slang of gamers, gigabytes and hectares are one and the same.
  26. alicante11
    alicante11 April 11 2014 08: 58
    +2
    Yes, the amers do not have so much waste, oh, that is, nuclear fuel. They barely provide their nuclear power plants through the processing of our weapons-grade uranium. Where else to supply dill?
    1. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor April 11 2014 12: 56
      +1
      Yes, they have right now, as in children. To spite mom's frostbitten ears.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel April 11 2014 13: 18
        +2
        Quote: desant_doktor
        Yes, they have right now, as in children. To spite mom's frostbitten ears.

        So they are children ...
        They jump, scream some absurdity ... laughing
  27. Nickanor
    Nickanor April 11 2014 08: 59
    +2
    It is also very interesting who is going to complete the construction of the Chernobyl Shelter and with what funds? ..
  28. Sultan
    Sultan April 11 2014 09: 04
    +4
    It seems that the descendants of the "ancient ukrov" generally "give a damn" what they are doing, if only they do not have contact with Russia. And then, after all, and faces ... you can lose the face, maintaining relations in the field of nuclear energy ... I think if you shoot them in the head, they can survive, tk. the brain may not be affected due to its microscopic size. Therefore, the sooner this rubbish is removed from the agenda of the "Ukrainian" pseudo-politics, the better it will be for everyone.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 11 2014 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Sultan
      because the brain may not be affected due to its microscopic size.

      no, it’s located in a slightly different place, as a rule they are sitting on it, which’s why it is said that everything was done through J ...
  29. O_RUS
    O_RUS April 11 2014 09: 05
    +4
    Quote: sazhka4
    But the abandonment of Russian nuclear fuel and the planning of signing a contract with the American firm Westinghouse is already an obvious insanity.


    Quote: sazhka4
    And where will the waste go?


    they will launch nuclear power plants in Ukraine, bring Fukushima to the result, and there will be a repository for spent nuclear fuel from Ukraine. Ukrainians are you sick people.
    1. Freemason
      Freemason April 11 2014 09: 24
      +4
      Ukrainians are unhappy people! But those in power and do this ... in general, come up with a name for them ..
  30. maxbaxg61
    maxbaxg61 April 11 2014 09: 07
    +12
    Again, politicians smoked something, swelled up and then woke up from the fact that we urgently need to change nuclear fuel !!!!!!!! And let it be more expensive than Russian and let our economy melt before our eyes, but the fact that it is not high-quality it’s kind of like a side effect of drugs. And how it’s burning, they think hmm, well, it happens that he is Fukushima, too, it’s blazing ......
    1. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor April 11 2014 12: 57
      +1
      And also add the costs of reconfiguring the reactor control systems and remaking the core for American TVELs.
    2. Maximxnumx
      Maximxnumx April 11 2014 13: 52
      +1
      when they are puffing, they will drive to Russia, that, they say, Russia is to blame for the fact that the Americans have inappropriate fuel and that Russia's "aggression" forced Ukraine to switch to American nuclear fuel
  31. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis April 11 2014 09: 08
    +2
    I am glad that Russia is a leading producer in the nuclear power industry. It is only incomprehensible why this topic does not sound in the negotiations with Europe? Why does it all come down to gas? Indeed, in the event of a "turn to the east," the same Czechs and Finns will be left without Russian nuclear fuel (and without its disposal, as I understand it).
    And another question, but in France and Germany, who supplies the rods with rods?
  32. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat April 11 2014 09: 10
    +1
    Hmm ... I look at the multi-way. I wonder where in Ukraine (that's what I want it to be. W - F *** Tymoshenko, Klitschko and other clique) are the landfills for SSA waste prepared?
  33. Igor 3456
    Igor 3456 April 11 2014 09: 14
    +1
    The EU is both deaf and blind
  34. operator_75
    operator_75 April 11 2014 09: 20
    +2
    Well, honestly ... Chernobyl was eliminated by the whole country, together with the republics ... They poured money, put people ...
    If one more, God forbid, banderlogs shy away from the reactor, they’ll not climb into the reactor, we’ll again destroy our own!
    It is necessary to press politically and quickly. Keep TVELs out of Ukraine, take control of the NPP in the end.
    Matches for children are not a toy!
  35. Freemason
    Freemason April 11 2014 09: 22
    +4
    Quote: Egor-dis
    I am glad that Russia is a leading producer in the nuclear power industry. It is only incomprehensible why this topic does not sound in the negotiations with Europe? Why does it all come down to gas? Indeed, in the event of a "turn to the east," the same Czechs and Finns will be left without Russian nuclear fuel (and without its disposal, as I understand it).
    And another question, but in France and Germany, who supplies the rods with rods?

    Who told you that there are no negotiations? Has anyone seen in the news at least once a discussion of nuclear energy and the problems associated with it? even any occurrence (minor), the news comes exclusively after censor processing. Want to panic? a couple of times say something related to the nuclear power plant ... Example: Peter 3 years ago. We carried out exercises related to the "reactor breakdown" and worked competently. The staff is top notch. The article got into local news as "Accident at a nuclear power plant". Panic began to boil in 2 hours. People read the headline and everything, word of mouth, started. The control authorities caught on in time and carried out work refuting rumors and chewing information. The editor who released the material was fired.
    And in the Ukrainian situation .... Lord, give us all strength and patience.
  36. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 11 2014 09: 31
    +1
    Quote: maks-xnumx
    they want little Chernobyl alone, but at what station will they experiment if on Rivne then let them try, and the Poles will be blessed with zapadentsi.

    Let it explode, and we will put big fans on the border, let the whole geyropa feel Amer’s presence! Yes, and we will organize rain!
  37. Gray 43
    Gray 43 April 11 2014 09: 31
    +5
    A picture from the future - a column of two-headed mutant people with skin color of all colors of the rainbow is walking along the streets of Kiev, while the left head shouts: "Glory to Ukraine!", And the right one responds - "Glory to the heroes!" In vain they do not remember the lessons of Chernobyl, after such insanity will have to cover the whole country with a sarcophagus
  38. Black
    Black April 11 2014 09: 35
    +4
    If Ukraine joins the ranks of the "democratic" states of Europe, then its nuclear power industry will be honored very quickly. "Matches are not toys for children", this is firstly, "we have it (energy), buy", - secondly. Maybe TVEls are not in accordance with GOST exactly for that.
    So, Kiev, buy kerosene ahead of time.
    1. yur
      yur April 11 2014 15: 34
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      So, Kiev, buy kerosene ahead of time.
      Only here is the trouble - kerosene must be bought again from Russia! crying
  39. bigELDAK
    bigELDAK April 11 2014 09: 51
    +1
    AUTHOR WHY DO YESTERDAY'S REPOSITION IS UNPONYATNO. Yesterday on the political review (sister site) there was this article, those who wish -> on the right is the "picture of the day" window, in theory this material will be published here tomorrow.
    http://politobzor.net/show-17357-perehod-ukrainskih-aes-na-toplivo-ssha-privedet
    -k-yadernoy-avarii.html
  40. Prince sofa
    Prince sofa April 11 2014 09: 58
    +5
    2015, market:

    Come, fly, OZK cheap! Discounted gas masks! Where you pull the third hand, pay first! Respira-a-ators, inexpensively ...
  41. Monk
    Monk April 11 2014 09: 59
    +3
    Quote: Sunjar
    Look, in the backward USSR, the Chernobyl nuclear power plant was gasping, but Fukushima and I had everything by the way, no need to worry.


    Chernobyl only gasped because some wise-minds decided to conduct their experiments on a working reactor. Russian nuclear power plants are the most reliable and safe in the world.
    1. Morgan
      Morgan April 11 2014 11: 28
      +1
      The plan for the experiment was drawn up by an electrician, not a nuclear engineer. That's why the reactor pulled, and the transformers are intact. He took care of his equipment. Drrrrrracon !!!
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 19: 11
        +1
        More details. Be kind, what was the experiment? Who mapped the experiment? Or are the electricians so stupid? There is a small booklet called "Atomic Tan". Everything is on the shelves. We, as nuclear workers, were shown something. Our doses were there. People from our leadership were included in the Chernobyl accident investigation committee. And not confuse an electrician with an electrical engineer who worked at a CHP plant. You are right. The director of the RC, nor his deputy for operation, had nothing to do with the reactors. Just like the shift supervisor, who put young, inexperienced guys in control boiler during the experiment.
  42. Nikich
    Nikich April 11 2014 10: 14
    +2
    Quote: Monk
    Quote: Sunjar
    Look, in the backward USSR, the Chernobyl nuclear power plant was gasping, but Fukushima and I had everything by the way, no need to worry.


    Chernobyl only gasped because some wise-minds decided to conduct their experiments on a working reactor. Russian nuclear power plants are the most reliable and safe in the world.

    And this is confirmed by numerous orders. In this regard, we have no competitors.
  43. Rasputin
    Rasputin April 11 2014 10: 19
    -23%
    Anti-Russian insanity in Ukraine grows stronger .....
    And why respect you? They chopped off part of the territory of a sovereign country or the so-called fraternal country with claims to an even greater part. Wow brothers ??? !!!! Yes, the enemies in this case, better!
    1. Wheel
      Wheel April 11 2014 11: 06
      +8
      Quote: Rasputin
      And why respect you? They chopped off part of the territory of a sovereign country or the so-called fraternal country with claims to an even greater part. Wow brothers ??? !!!! Yes, the enemies in this case, better!

      When a little brother behaves inappropriately, dangerous toys are taken from him so that, God forbid, he would not harm himself, and if he doesn’t get it, then it’s not a sin to put on the ass. Usually, through the ass comes more efficiently than through the head.

      PS. In addition, son, it’s not for you to teach us wisdom — you certainly aren’t our brother, you left your homeland (wherever you fade into German - it doesn’t matter, you faded anyway), so be quiet in a rag.
    2. Lk17619
      Lk17619 April 11 2014 11: 07
      +5
      Quote: Rasputin
      They chopped off part of the territory of a sovereign country or the so-called fraternal country with claims to an even greater part. Wow brothers ??? !!!! Yes, the enemies in this case, better!

      Yes, it’s not a question, we won’t possibly do anything else .... You will pay back the debts in the amount of 30 billion green to start. And the question is, why on earth are you sovereign (cookies forgotten?) And when did Bandera become brothers to me?
    3. f.lourens
      f.lourens April 11 2014 11: 16
      +3
      Firstly, they didn’t chop off Crimea. LEGALLY came to us through a referendum and you are now afraid of a referendum in the southeast like fire. Secondly, you yourself brought the country and people to such a state with your maidans and Russophobia ... they seized power illegally, they ruined a bunch of people promised the east and the south of Ukraine to hang and burn with atom called people separatists although unlike the Maidan they didn’t burn anyone and didn’t kill ... and what did you expect after all this ??? hi
    4. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS April 11 2014 11: 47
      +3
      We returned our!
      You in 1991 rejoiced at the collapse of the USSR, so now swallow and collecting OUR lands!
      There is a new redivision of the world, and Russia is focusing. You can not respect us, we will survive. And you can put the laws of your subjugation ... negative
      1. Rasputin
        Rasputin April 11 2014 12: 38
        -21%
        Crimea is not yours, it is Tatar! You will turn it into a desert again, until the 60s.
        .... no one was falling apart, they themselves fell apart! Your attempts in the west will result in gigantic losses in the east! Learn Chinese!
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 11 2014 13: 15
          +4
          Quote: Rasputin
          Crimea is not yours, it is Tatar!

          Wow! Across the peninsula written in arshin letters. laughing
          Learn history not by "square" textbooks and you will be happy!
          You are unlikely to trust the Russians, so turn to the Turkish, Putin has not yet reached there.
        2. Hort
          Hort April 11 2014 14: 44
          +1
          he ceased to be Tatar even under the Russian Empire
        3. Crimean
          Crimean April 11 2014 14: 49
          +3
          Crimea-RUSSIAN !!!! REMEMBER!!! And the desert is in your head. Some winds blow. Our actions (and not attempts) in the west will turn into a gigantic upsurge that has already begun and is underway. That is why the West whines like a syavka (the witnesses do not like it). And we put on the sanctions and on the whole "wild" west (only RUSSIAN people rallied). And about China - I don't think they are worse than the "tolerant" geyropa and "shitty" mattress covers. At least with us RUSSIANS talk on equal terms and with respect. And the Papuans are not bombed. And for Crimea, be jealous. HA-HA-HA lol
        4. Rider
          Rider April 11 2014 15: 13
          +5
          Quote: Rasputin
          Crimea is not yours, it is Tatar!

          Well, in this case, Germany is not German but Russian, because before the Elbe (Labes) the Slavs lived. laughing

          sometimes it seems to me that Russophobia, is something like a malignant tumor, which, getting into the brain, displaces the cells responsible for rational thinking.
  44. LIS 25
    LIS 25 April 11 2014 10: 21
    +1
    God forbid from - maydaunov, got it. what do they want to create a buffer radioactive zone between Russia and the geyropa. I need to take nuclear power plants for protection. I don’t want my Belgorod region to be exposed to radiation.
  45. Prince sofa
    Prince sofa April 11 2014 10: 25
    +4
    Quote: Rasputin
    Anti-Russian insanity in Ukraine grows stronger .....
    And why respect you? They chopped off part of the territory of a sovereign country or the so-called fraternal country with claims to an even greater part. Wow brothers ??? !!!! Yes, the enemies in this case, better!

    Hm. Well, maybe respect for strength? Or for the adequacy? Or for their willingness to protect their citizens and fellow tribesmen?
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  47. chastener
    chastener April 11 2014 10: 27
    +1
    Insanity among Ukrainian brothers grows stronger)))))))))))
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 19: 14
      +2
      Urgently need a globe of Ukraine. Where to buy, tell me! wassat
  48. Sharky
    Sharky April 11 2014 10: 27
    +2
    I agree with the author! In general, even in an industry such as engine building (ICE), an engine is ALWAYS designed for fuel, not for turnover! Of course, you can pour anything into a diesel engine, it is quite omnivorous (for example, multi-fuel tank internal combustion engines). Yes, only they initially sharpened under this multi-fuel. But with a nuclear reactor is not so simple. I don’t remember how exactly in the physics textbook it was for the 11th grade (Myakishev, Bukhovtsev), but I definitely remember the K coefficient (in my opinion, the neutron multiplication factor). And it must strictly be equal to 1! If more - uncontrolled chain reaction and a nuclear explosion, if less - everything will die out immediately. So to maintain it and introduce (to a certain depth :) rods - neutron absorbers. And if fuel with other characteristics ... IMHO at least have to carry out a deep modernization (additional grandmas) with all the ensuing calculations. Something like this...
    1. goose
      goose April 11 2014 11: 10
      +6
      Congratulations, you know more about reactors than the average American student, but you forgot a little about Soviet school physics.
      Neutron moderators are needed in order to slow down the neutrons and make possible the reaction on slow neutrons for U235. Therefore, to accelerate the reactor, moderators are lowered.
      The neutron multiplication factor for a self-sustaining reaction should be greater than 1 (and substantially) so as not to fade.
      The minimum coefficient may vary depending on the design of the reactor, the location of the TV assemblies, the degree of burnout and poisoning of the fuel by neutron absorbers, etc., etc.
      Unfortunately, this knowledge was excluded from the modern Russian school curriculum. And in the Ukrainian they were not.
      1. mpa945
        mpa945 April 11 2014 12: 06
        -2
        There, the reactors are just fast neutrons.
        1. Morgan
          Morgan April 11 2014 12: 40
          +1
          Padon, does anyone have BN? Workers, in a series, effective? I don’t really know.
          PySy We have one emnip station working
          1. mpa945
            mpa945 April 11 2014 12: 58
            -4
            And what is the inefficiency of BN reactors?
            These are all reactors of the "Chernobyl" type.
            Far from one station, Yes modernized. But the principle of operation must be changed - it is necessary to install a new power unit.
            Something like this.
            1. Wheel
              Wheel April 11 2014 13: 24
              +5
              Quote: mpa945
              And what is the inefficiency of reactors at BN? These are all reactors of the "Chernobyl" type. Not one station, Yes, they modernized. But the principle of operation must be changed - it is necessary to install a new power unit.

              Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs and learn the materiel.
              The Chernobyl type has never been "on fast neutrons"
              RBMK reactor channel, heterogeneous, graphite-water, boiling type, thermal neutrons.
              That's it. hi
              1. dmitrij.blyuz
                dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 19: 16
                0
                laughing That's right! Only more correct, water-graphite!
            2. Morgan
              Morgan April 11 2014 13: 37
              0
              The coolant in the BNok LM, rather than water, as in RBMK and VVER
            3. goose
              goose April 11 2014 15: 08
              +2
              Boy, do not carry nonsense, in Russia every girl knows what the RBMK graphite is and how it works. And every second read a report, how and who blew up a serviceable reactor in Chernobyl, in order to make a rational offer to yourself in your salary.
              So take a satchel and go back to school !!!
            4. goose
              goose April 11 2014 15: 08
              0
              Boy, do not carry nonsense, in Russia every girl knows what the RBMK graphite is and how it works. And every second read a report, how and who blew up a serviceable reactor in Chernobyl, in order to make a rational offer to yourself in your salary.
              So take a satchel and go back to school !!!
              1. Kassandra
                Kassandra April 22 2014 23: 31
                0
                not for this, just to explode.
        2. Wheel
          Wheel April 11 2014 13: 21
          +1
          Quote: mpa945
          There, the reactors are just fast neutrons.

          Where is it over there?
          Outside of Russia, only one station on BN is on Mangyshlak in Kazakhstan.
          1. dmitrij.blyuz
            dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 17: 14
            +1
            Isn't it possible? And the BN-800 in Russia, the BN-1200 under construction, for which the MCC will supply "tablets", the planned commissioning at the end of 14, the development of the BN-2400?
            1. Wheel
              Wheel April 12 2014 00: 37
              +1
              Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
              Isn't it possible? And the BN-800 in Russia, the BN-1200 under construction, for which the MCC will supply "tablets", the planned commissioning at the end of 14, the development of the BN-2400?

              You read inattentively.
              Key: outside of Russia
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  49. mig31
    mig31 April 11 2014 10: 27
    +4
    How sick of the abbreviations of the IAEA, NATO, PACE, the European Union, the United Nations, etc. And TP ...., disband useless structures, and by collecting the loot that is moistened in them, Africa can be created for undernourished .....
    1. stillrat
      stillrat April 11 2014 20: 17
      0
      I put a plus but I feel a little put good
      1. ACKiPaPa,
        ACKiPaPa, April 13 2014 11: 05
        +1
        Quote: mig31
        How sick of the abbreviations of the IAEA, NATO, PACE, the European Union, the United Nations, etc. And TP ...., disband useless structures, and by collecting the loot that is moistened in them, Africa can be created for undernourished .....

        In general, I have the impression that this is all in order not to let the poor blacks get off the trees again. As their "colonialists" drove into barbarism (and after all there were very developed states - Zimbabwe kept the entire maritime trade of Europe with India until the 17th century) - now they do not want "revenge", and after all, if the blacks rise, that's all the "enlightened" whites from the "old world" will be remembered.
  50. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y April 11 2014 10: 28
    +13
    TVEL is not a "dummy", you cannot smear it with Vaseline if it is "of the wrong caliber".

    Hmm, soon it will be possible to contact them "Your Excellency" ...
    1. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun April 11 2014 10: 56
      +3
      Geyropeytsev everything is well designed)))

      The rocket from Iskander will fly without Vaseline)))
      1. Rasputin
        Rasputin April 11 2014 13: 23
        -11%
        your arrogant disdainful attitude towards the EU and boorish attitude towards the "brothers" can lead to the placement of no less "evil things" in the same Baltic states, with a flight time to Moscow somewhere in 4-5 minutes. Tell me my dear, who will have time to wake up and get dressed?
        I want to remind you that the total EU defense budget is approx. 380 billion euros. Against 90 billion of the Russian budget, before the cut.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 11 2014 13: 47
          +6
          Quote: Rasputin
          your arrogant disdainful attitude towards the EU and boorish attitude towards the "brothers" can lead to the placement of no less "evil things" in the same Baltic states, with a flight time to Moscow somewhere in 4-5 minutes. Tell me my dear, who will have time to wake up and get dressed?

          Son, what are you so dense?
          The EU has already realized its position and is diligently making a good face in a bad game, because it really represents what the sudden movements can end with.
          "evil things" in the Baltics - for God's sake!
          The permanent database has not been canceled, and the S-300 is a bit more efficient than the Patriot, and the Yankees know this very well, otherwise they would have been with the sprats for a long time.
          And so quietly they write that in response from the depths of the Atlantic Ocean a gift will come to Uncle Sam.
          Abydna, yes! ....
          1. ACKiPaPa,
            ACKiPaPa, April 13 2014 11: 24
            +1
            Quote: Wheel
            The EU has already realized its position and is diligently making a good face in a bad game, because it really represents what the sudden movements can end with.

            Wheel - RESPECT !!! hi I can only add one thing. The top of the EU (as well as of the states) has long since realized everything and, I think, itself is not delighted with what it has done in Ukraine. BUT! If they admit this, their political "Olympus" will look, to put it mildly, BLACK. It will not come to impeachment, but it will certainly not work out for re-election. In principle, it won't work out that way. According to a German publication (I don't remember which one, according to "Russia" they showed it, an article like "Mr. Putin split Europe" is called) 4/5 of their societies do not agree with 2/3 of the politicians who govern them - a trend, however. So now, these "comrades" are simply unrealistic to turn back, so as not to lose face - that's the rod with a drill.
        2. Hort
          Hort April 11 2014 14: 46
          +2
          hh, let's say, flight time, yeah. Only these Baltic states will turn into a radioactive glass desert in exactly the same 5 minutes, and Europe - in 10 minutes, well, the United States - in half an hour.
        3. Crimean
          Crimean April 11 2014 15: 10
          +5
          The attitude towards the EU is the same as they are towards us. And with mattresses it’s necessary to conduct rhetoric even tougher (and I’d give to the barracks am ). And the "brothers" themselves are not rude in a childish way (yaku to gilyak is a favorite slogan). Want to place "evil things" closer to us? Oh well. We still have more and "tastier" laughing ! And our best air defense! And the budget in Europe is sawed no less (take an interest in the reports of the European Parliament itself for 2012). Hi hi lol
    2. f.lourens
      f.lourens April 11 2014 11: 20
      +1
      And after all this they will shine in all wavelengths from infrared to x-ray wassat
    3. Morgan
      Morgan April 11 2014 11: 22
      +2
      Your Excellency VON Petrenko. A joke from the repertoire of the liquidators at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. I recalled my youth. Thank.
    4. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz April 11 2014 17: 16
      +1
      I repeat for those who are in the TVEL tank the Russian organization that produces covers for nuclear weapons.