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Evgeny Pozhidaev: Turkey has no chance of a "small victorious war" against Syria

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Evgeny Pozhidaev: Turkey has no chance of a "small victorious war" against SyriaTurkey’s military activity on the border with Syria has intensified, and in parallel, a record of the conversations of Prime Minister Recep Erdogan, who is clearly hungry for a small victorious war against the southern neighbor, appeared. The situation is more than explainable - Erdogan’s position is precarious. The split within his own party, endless corruption scandals and a sharp slowdown in economic growth is a bad symptom. Potential Turkish Lukashenko risks them not to become and just be behind bars. However, a common record says that someone really does not want to fight - and this "someone" is most likely the Turkish military.


Consider the situation. In relation to the Turkish army dominates the North Korean syndrome - a large and overpriced numbers are perceived as a sign of irresistible power. In reality, traced by all sorts of sources, the 720-thousand Turkish army does not exist - there is the 590-thousand army, while around 150 thousand - civil servants. The second caveat is that the cost per soldier in Turkey is about four times less than in the Russian Federation. The Turkish army has long existed in the framework of the almost Maoist paradigm (the number compensates for the technological lag) - and the post-effects of this situation still persist. As a result, the cost of new weapons in recent years is about 1,5 billion (the cost of a modern heavy fighter is 80-100 million).

Syria's army before the war was 220 thousands. Now she is more. The battles killed 3-6 thousand. At the same time there is a regular call, demobilization, of course, not - as well as the classical mobilization. It should be borne in mind that with respect to the Syrian army, the effect is the opposite of the North Korean one — it is stronger than it seems. Asad is forced to save resources, relatively new and modernized machines in case of an external invasion; periodically in Syria, a technique emerges that it does not "officially" have.

The final situation looks like this. The Turkish fleet has, of course, an overwhelming superiority over the Syrian one. However, the problem is that its possibilities for strikes on the coast are limited by artillery fire with a range of 23 km. Large-scale landing is impossible - in the asset of Turkey only 4500 soldiers of the marines and a very weak grouping of landing ships.

The Air Force has the basics of an assault force - 208 F-16 light fighters (more precisely, their licensed copies of local production). They are complemented by 124 "Phantom" and 41 F-5 "Tiger" (old and budget, but quite successful "fighter for the poor"). This is an impressive force, but the Turkish Air Force is far from the Israeli Air Force, either quantitatively or qualitatively. The conquest of superiority in the air is hampered by the absence of heavy fighters, electronic warfare aircraft and the fact that a full-fledged long-range radar detection aircraft (Boeing 737 Peace Eagle) as part of the Air Force is only one (the purchase of four is planned, but the contract is delayed).

Work on the ground will also be imperfect - it is almost entirely assigned to light fighters. 44 attack helicopters "Cobra" and "Supercobra" - far from a decisive force in the application to thousands tanks neighbors. It is planned to begin production of a local copy of the Italian "Mongoose", but so far only single copies have been produced.

The possibilities of Turkey will greatly increase after the planned purchase of one hundred F-35, but so far they are far from epic. It is difficult to establish the training level of pilots, but during the confrontation with the Greek Air Force in 1995, the Turkish aviators did not perform well (two aircraft crashed while maneuvering).

However, for the Syrian Air Force, which has only 19-24 modern Mig-29 fighters and 50-100 hopelessly outdated Mig-23s, naturally this is an overwhelming opponent - although the Syrian aviation It turned out to be in unexpectedly good condition, and the training and motivation of the pilots was quite acceptable. Assad quite rationally "saved" his best aircraft in the event of an external invasion.

Damascus defense is in a far from brilliant state, and is unable to withstand a massive strike. However, in the case of Turkey, it is capable of limited surprises.

Let's look at ground forces. Formally, Turkey has a 3363 tank. This is quite a lot, but the qualitative composition of the tank park has unpleasant nuances. Turkey has 339 tanks "Leopard-2", 392 "Leopard-1", 1206 М60 of various modifications (of which 170 are deeply modernized with the help of Israel М60-Т Sabra Мk II with 120-mm gun and modern fire control system), more 1200 M48. The latter are already withdrawn from the combat units due to outdated obsolescence, with the exception of 287 in Cyprus. Indeed, only Leopard-2 and M60-T Sabra (the Israelis have left only the body and chassis from the original M / NUMX) are modern from this list - a total of 60 machines.

Both tanks radically exceed the T-72 of Syria - however, it obviously has them around 1500 (during the fighting no more than 100 was lost. In other words, for Turkey there is a rather unpleasant balance of forces. Throwing into the battle the non-modernized M60 and Leopard -1 "in the first line, or used in urban environments - fraught with massive losses in armored vehicles. Both cars (especially the Leopard-1 with its ephemeral armor) are" transparent "to modern anti-tank weapons from almost any angle and distance. Massive Teri M60 were quite typical even in 1970-1980-x ( "Yom Kippur War" and the Iran-Iraq war) in collisions with T-T-62 and 55, 3250 whom Syria.

The modern armored infantry fighting vehicles comparable to “Bradley” and suitable for effective offensive actions in the style of a famous throw to the center of Baghdad are few in the Turkish army - with a certain degree of conventionality, only 102 FNSS Akinci can be classified as such. The rest - ersatzians based on the old American armored personnel carrier M-113 (563 ACV-300). In the near future, 400 of the newest Tulpar infantry fighting vehicles may begin to enter service, but so far they are not in the army.

The same situation with the BTR - really modern cars in Istanbul, only 154 (102 Yavuz and 52 FNSS Pars - all ordered 600 machines). The rest is 2831 armored personnel carrier, representing the variations on the theme M113, or light vehicles. Armed Syria, however, 2450 old Soviet BMP-1 and BMP-2, plus about 1000 old Soviet and Czechoslovak BTR (ranging from extremely archaic BTR-152 to just the old OT-64). However, recently, relatively modern BTR-80, apparently delivered by Russia already during the conflict, have been observed in service with the Syrian troops. In other words, with some effective resistance, the losses of the Turkish ground forces will be very large. This is either the Terrible or extremely slow progress in the assault of cities. The American Thunder Rush in Baghdad was ensured primarily by the low vulnerability of their armored vehicles.

Turkish artillery shows a familiar picture. On arms - 108 modern SAU T-155 Storm (local copy of the really great South Korean "Thunder"), ordered 150 machines. The rest are very numerous (945), but frankly outdated samples from the Second World War and the Korean War (М107, М110, М-55, etc.). Approximately 1000 caliber towed artillery guns from 105-mm - also had time to meet with the Wehrmacht or the Japanese imperial army.

Turkish MLRS is from 230 systems, roughly corresponding to the Grade class (T-107 and T-122), 12 of highly sophisticated American-made M-270 (mm caliber 240), 80 Chinese T-300 WS-1 (mm 300 ) and an unclear amount of "Toros" (Turkey’s own project of a super-powerful salvo fire system).

Syria has 450 full-fledged self-propelled artillery systems manufactured since the 1970, 50 self-made ersatz, more than 1,500 towed tools of post-war development (some of them are actually installed on the car chassis), 300 Gradov and their North Korean clones. Further, it was recently revealed that the Syrian army is armed with the 36 MLRS "Uragan" and in unclear quantities the most powerful Russian MLRS - 300 mm "Smerch". The number of MLRS of its own production (Khaibar-1) and unexpectedly floating up in large numbers of Iranian systems (Falak, etc.) is almost impossible to establish. In other words, although Turkey is rapidly growing, while it is by no means a military superpower. At the same time, her “opponent” is by no means as weak as it seems - Assad has so far tried to suppress the insurrection with “second line” forces, keeping the first in case of an external invasion.

It should also take into account the difference in experience. The Turkish army has a vast experience of counter-partisan actions, but its latest experience of the classical war is the operation “Attila” (invasion of northern Cyprus). In other words, we are talking about an extremely local war with a motivated, but poorly trained and armed militia, with the sinking of its own destroyer and a miss past the landing site. Probably, with any large-scale hostilities, Turkey will have problems in the style of the Red Army arr. 1941 th. At the same time it is confronted by an army with a vast experience of hostilities. In other words,
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  1. lemal
    lemal April 11 2014 19: 25
    +7
    You drive Erdogan !!!
    1. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 11 2014 19: 30
      +28
      if the turkey gets into this adventure, then Iran will come out on the side of Syria and there will be a big war.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 19: 43
        +17
        Quote: platitsyn70
        if the turkey gets into this adventure

        Will not climb. There are no real reasons. The article is interesting, but just measuring the genitals. Although the pendos will now "warm up" anyone, just to bite us. And we practically swore an oath for Syria. hi
        1. Canep
          Canep April 11 2014 20: 02
          +12
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          There are no real reasons.

          It is not difficult to find an excuse, but there is another difficulty, Turkey needs to enlist the support of NATO for aggression, as well as somehow motivating its own army, I do not think that the Turkish soldier will want to fight on foreign lands defending the interests of the leader involved in a corruption scandal. There is no interest in the people of Turkey in this war, in the interests of the people there is peace in the territory of the southern neighbor, and the people, by and large, do not give a damn about Assad there or Obama, if only it would be possible to trade, visit the neighbors and so that the threat of terrorism did not come from there. It follows that it is better to help Assad calm the extremists, provided that after that elections will be held for the government acting in the interests of the people of Syria and maintaining good neighborly relations with Turkey.
          1. Ulairy
            Ulairy April 11 2014 20: 20
            +2
            Quote: Canep
            Turkey needs to secure NATO support for aggression,

            Most likely it won't. Obama will not be able to send troops there - it is weak for him (authority is already falling with the speed of a cast-iron plane). Neither the Americans nor the Turks want to fight either. The entire ideology of this "war" is merging before our eyes. They will play with iron muscles, they will die "from behind the fence" and disperse, dissatisfied with themselves. Nothing will happen without NATO participation ...
            + to you, Minesweeper. It was interesting to read your opinion.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 20: 33
            +5
            Quote: Canep
            Turkey needs to secure NATO support for aggression

            Here the dog is buried. The states in NATO rule, and will peck Russia through any opportunity. And we officially interceded for Syria, and here they are through the Turks and mutter. Another conversation is that it’s unlikely that things will go further than statements; Erdogan cannot fail to understand the inferiority of attacks on Syria, therefore, it threatens in vain so as not to directly disappoint Obama. hi
            1. Canep
              Canep April 11 2014 20: 51
              +5
              They need to enlist the UNANIMOUS support of NATO and not the support of the United States, only in this case they will be able to fight with impunity in Syria. And if there is only US support, then support should not be in words or money, but in the participation of the US army in this lawlessness. If they themselves rush into the attack, they may run into an operation to force peace on the part of Russia. If both the aviation and the fleet are involved in this operation from Russia, then the damage to Turkey will not be acceptable. If they start at their own peril and risk, then none of NATO will come to their aid. And as a result of this operation, Turkey may lose control of the Bosphorus.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 21: 31
                0
                Quote: Canep
                UNANIMOUS support for NATO and not US support,

                Yes, I agree with you, the Turks will not climb, but it is necessary to work out before the main partner in NATO, and they are threatened. And as for Russia's participation in the Syrian conflict, in any situation, I doubt very much what further political and material assistance is unlikely to go, we don’t have the cards right now. Through Iran only, but pendosy also understand this, which can explain their attempts to use with Iran. hi
              2. atalef
                atalef April 11 2014 21: 53
                +2
                Quote: Canep
                They need to secure UNANIMOUS support for NATO and not support for the United States, only in this case they can fight with impunity in Syria

                Is not a fact

                Quote: Canep
                If they themselves rush into the attack, they may run into an operation to force peace on the part of Russia

                not even a fact. and Russia in Turkey will not be able to do anything in general.
                Let's be objective. Russia in this region has neither the strength nor the means to stop Turkey.

                Quote: Canep
                And as a result of this operation, Turkey may lose control of the Bosphorus.

                How ?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 22: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Let's be objective. Russia in this region has neither the strength nor the means to stop Turkey.

                  I agree. But to be objective, then Turkey alone has not enough forces against Syria. Puppeteers overseas, and Erdogan understands this. hi
                  1. atalef
                    atalef April 11 2014 22: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I agree. But to be objective, then Turkey alone has not enough forces against Syria. Puppeteers overseas, and Erdogan understands this.

                    Hey . Igor
                    Turkey has enough, and don’t forget - such a thing as the Syrian Army (in the sense of organized unit 0 does not exist. Having gained dominance in the air (in general, I said ridiculously in this case - having won not correctly, having taken more correctly). The rest is not simply technology, and simpler than that. Don’t forget the Sunnis will meet the Turks as liberators. By the way, the hezbollah in this case will simply quietly evaporate, because Turkey is able to completely block both the Lebanese coast and its airspace within 2 hours.
                    1. Gluxar_
                      Gluxar_ April 12 2014 13: 44
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      Turkey has enough, and don’t forget - such a thing as the Syrian Army (in the sense of organized unit 0 does not exist. Having gained dominance in the air (in general, I said ridiculously in this case - having won not correctly, having taken more correctly). The rest is not simply technology, and simpler than that. Don’t forget the Sunnis will meet the Turks as liberators. By the way, the hezbollah in this case will simply quietly evaporate, because Turkey is able to completely block both the Lebanese coast and its airspace within 2 hours.

                      Real events just refute your position. The Syrian army is and it is more than combat ready. No one saw the Turkish army in action? Moreover, Turkey did not even have sufficient air defense forces; they asked NATO for assistance and received help.
                      The military potential of Syria is unknown. It is only known that Iran can provide any assistance and between the states there is an agreement on military cooperation. Russia's statements are also known that all military contracts will be fulfilled and in 2012 it was said that air defense systems, including the S-300, would be deployed by mid-2014, and officers serving these systems would be prepared. In 2012, this seemed an unrealistic timeframe, but today it is already 2014. The Syrian express went and goes without a stop and today no one can argue that Syria does not have modern long-range air defense.
                      Moreover, there is confirmation at all levels about the "century-old deal with Iran" on barter supplies, as well as the search for a compromise with the supply of S-300 there. If we compare the information, then we can assume with a high degree of probability that the S-300 is definitely in Syria, and maybe already in Iran.
                      Given the growing misunderstanding between the West and Russia, Russia has no moral reasons for not fulfilling the contracts.
                      So the chances of Turkey's success are not so many.
                2. Gluxar_
                  Gluxar_ April 12 2014 13: 37
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Is not a fact

                  If they want NATO support, then a fact. All members must agree to war, and even in this situation, NATO does not have such powers. It’s kind of like a defensive alliance.
                  Of course, they can fight alone and in some kind of coalition, but it will still not be NATO.
                  Quote: atalef
                  not even a fact. and Russia in Turkey will not be able to do anything in general.
                  Let's be objective. Russia in this region has neither the strength nor the means to stop Turkey.

                  Well, how is it not? There are economic levers of pressure, moreover, very serious ones. There is a military man. And given the fact that Crimea is Russia, the possibilities are sharply increasing militarily.
                  Quote: atalef
                  How ?

                  For example, in the case of direct military aggression of Turkey against Syria. In this case, Iran comes into conflict in order to protect the Shiite population. Russia can also show teeth and bite something. Of course, some NATO countries raise the question of expelling Turkey from NATO, for trying to draw the alliance into a foreign war. Turkey becomes an isolated state with adversaries across all borders. Against the backdrop of growing domestic protest against the Islamization of the country and the Kurdish liberation movements, a collapse of the state and its fragmentation into pieces can occur.
                  Germany could strengthen its position as a leader in Europe with such a step, Russia could gain access to the Mediterranean Sea, Syria could survive and take revenge, Iran would destroy a rival, the Kurds would gain their freedom, the United States would set fire to the Middle East and concentrate on Asia-Pacific.
            2. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ April 12 2014 13: 29
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Here the dog is buried. The states in NATO rule, and will peck Russia through any opportunity. And we officially interceded for Syria, and here they are through the Turks and mutter. Another conversation is that it’s unlikely that things will go further than statements; Erdogan cannot fail to understand the inferiority of attacks on Syria, therefore, it threatens in vain so as not to directly disappoint Obama.

              Pecking and annoying is not the same as fighting. In war, there is always the risk of losing and losing a lot. The US is weak and does not want to show it to anyone. Any conflict or even confrontation with Russia puts pressure on the United States much more seriously, in the context of confrontation with China. It is China that will be the main competitor to the United States in the 21st century, and their battlefield is the APR.
              The US is afraid to give Europe into Russian hands, and therefore they are trying to create chaos zones around Russia. But directing Russia into the arms of China ... is a disaster for the United States, because they will not go too far.
          3. asar
            asar April 11 2014 21: 07
            0
            Sapper
            I completely agree! Better an intelligible Assad than Islamic radicals (or, to put it simply, all the scum!)! And let Erdogan understand Turkey (if he is to blame, you will sit down!), But you should not wash the "dirty linen" from the "Turkish hut" (even though there are no huts there, just by the way!)!
          4. atalef
            atalef April 11 2014 21: 51
            +2
            Quote: Canep
            Reason is not difficult to find, but there is another difficulty, Turkey needs to enlist NATO support for aggression

            Turkey is now conducting a fairly independent policy, wants to find a reason, and NATO will wave

            Quote: Canep
            I don’t think that a Turkish soldier will want to fight on a foreign land defending the interests of a leader involved in a corruption scandal

            In general, a Turkish soldier is very disciplined, they will order

            Quote: Canep
            There is no interest in the people of Turkey in this war, in the interests of the people peace in the territory of the southern neighbor

            Yes, it's funny. first of all, no one will ask the people, and secondly, the whole month of propaganda in the right direction and the whole of Turkey in a single rush after Erdogan

            Quote: Canep
            It follows that it is better to help Assad calm the extremists, provided that after that elections will be held for the government acting in the interests of the people of Syria and maintaining good neighborly relations with Turkey.

            it seems so to you. I doubt that Erdogan agrees with you.
            For . in order to drown out the corruption scandal and problems in the economy and government - a small victorious war - that’s it.
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ April 12 2014 13: 52
              0
              Quote: atalef
              the radio is now conducting a fairly independent policy, wants to find a reason, and NATO will wave

              Turkey’s independent policy boils down to Erdogan’s attempt to strengthen on a wobbly chair. He can do a lot to stay in power, whether the military will follow him a big question.
              Quote: atalef
              In general, a Turkish soldier is very disciplined, they will order

              The same there goes the repression of the military. Military loyalty is in question, and given the rise in anti-war sentiment throughout Turkey, the loyalty of ordinary soldiers is also questionable. It is more likely that the military will simply oust Erdogan if he goes too far or spills even more blood of his people.
              Quote: atalef
              Yes, it's funny. first of all, no one will ask the people, and secondly, the whole month of propaganda in the right direction and the whole of Turkey in a single rush after Erdogan

              The facts say exactly the opposite. If at the initial stage of the Syrian conflict, Turkish society was neutral or supported the overthrow of the "dictator", today Erdogan is already called the dictator, and mass protests against the policy of the authorities are taking place throughout the country. The information field has been lost by Erdogan; moreover, he is forced to hide behind censorship by closing Twitter and YouTube. Your arguments come from your desires, not from the real picture of what is happening.
              Quote: atalef
              it seems so to you. I doubt that Erdogan agrees with you.
              For . in order to drown out the corruption scandal and problems in the economy and government - a small victorious war - that’s it.

              Just not in conditions when the people DIRECTLY say that it is against the war with Syria. The Syrian war is already directly harming the Turks and their lives. Turkey is not the United States that are fighting overseas. Refugees are already ruining Turkey, terrorists already in Turkey are beginning to commit atrocities. Erdogan will no longer be able to convince the Turks of the opposite in any way.
              The only thing he can do is to start a suicide operation ... but the chances are good that the military will only arrest him for high treason and get him put in a cell.
          5. Revolver
            Revolver April 11 2014 23: 20
            +3
            Quote: Canep
            Turkey needs to enlist NATO support

            And what, I overslept when the 5th article of NATO was canceled? That an attack on any NATO country is considered an attack on everything, with all that it implies. And they’ll arrange an attack. The evil Poles attacked the peaceful German army radio station in Gleivitz in 1939.
        2. submelt
          submelt April 11 2014 20: 23
          +8
          Why is the author of an article by President Lukoshenko insulting? What dad did not please him then?
        3. Corsair
          Corsair April 12 2014 05: 40
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And we practically swore an oath for Syria.

          +++!
        4. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ April 12 2014 13: 25
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Will not climb. There are no real reasons. The article is interesting, but just measuring the genitals. Although the pendos will now "warm up" anyone, just to bite us. And we practically swore an oath for Syria.

          This is the problem. There is a reason, this is an unstable position of Erdogan. More than a good reason. However, Erdogan also has a lot of risks. If the military operation stalls, then the military can crush the prime minister himself under the rink ...
          And with it, the entire Islamic sector of Turkey can go under the knife. But this may not be allowed by external curators of the Turkish project. So the probability of a major war is not very high.
        5. Asker
          Asker 31 August 2014 12: 05
          0
          even if you swore, do you really think that Russia will go to an armed conflict with Turkey?
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 11 2014 19: 47
        +17
        Erdogan su ... but in vain he "skips" he still has to answer for Chechnya .. Nothing is forgotten, no one is forgotten! And then he will receive for Syria ...
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 12 2014 00: 25
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Erdogan su ... but in vain he "skips" he still has to answer for Chechnya .. Nothing is forgotten, no one is forgotten!

          If you manage to put him on a stake or at least put him on the wall, honestly, I will not protest.
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov April 13 2014 11: 15
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Erdogan su ... but in vain he "skips" he still has to answer for Chechnya .. Nothing is forgotten, no one is forgotten!

            If you manage to put him on a stake or at least put him on the wall, honestly, I will not protest.

            Everything will be like this Russia Turkey has done and is doing a lot .. The Caucasus was sponsored .. Now Syria is being bombed .. We will deal with Ukraine and we will deal with Turkey .. (really) So it will be (missiles were placed there in the Caribbean crisis ..) Now in Antalya can a referendum be held ... bully It is better to be friends with Russia ..
          2. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov April 13 2014 11: 15
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Erdogan su ... but in vain he "skips" he still has to answer for Chechnya .. Nothing is forgotten, no one is forgotten!

            If you manage to put him on a stake or at least put him on the wall, honestly, I will not protest.

            Everything will be like this Russia Turkey has done and is doing a lot .. The Caucasus was sponsored .. Now Syria is being bombed .. We will deal with Ukraine and we will deal with Turkey .. (really) So it will be (missiles were placed there in the Caribbean crisis ..) Now in Antalya can a referendum be held ... bully It is better to be friends with Russia ..
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      4. aktanir
        aktanir April 11 2014 20: 24
        +4
        I don’t know how the author calculates that, concluding that Turkey will have a hard time in Syria. It seems to me, with all due respect to the Syrians, even a hundred leopards-2, with the support of modern aircraft, helicopters and artillery, can make a noise and allow Erdogan to get to Damascus. I'm not very sure that Assad has all the equipment and in the specified amount, which the author talks about in the article. In the war against the bandits, it got to the point that old helicopters armed with barrel bombs became the "assault aircraft" of the government troops. Not so hot what kind of weapon ..., not to mention the rest ... And where does Bashar have such a huge number of troops now - 220 thousand ??? In Syria, there is a civil war for the third year, the Syrians are mainly fighting against the Syrians. How can one side have so much strength, given the fratricide, mass exodus, desertion, etc. In such a situation, Assad would have been resting on his laurels long ago. But of course I would like everything in reality to turn out exactly as the narrator writes. It's just very hard to believe it.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 11 2014 21: 55
          -9
          Quote: aktanir
          I don’t know how the author calculates this way, concluding in the end that Turkey will have a hard time in Syria. It seems to me, with all due respect to the Syrians, even a hundred leopards-2, with the support of modern aircraft, helicopters and artillery, can make noise and allow Erdogan to get to Damascus

          Laughter, not an article. Turkey will crush Syria like a flea.
          Are you laughing at how you can even equalize the power of Turkey and Syria.
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ April 12 2014 14: 04
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Are you laughing at how you can even equalize the power of Turkey and Syria.

            Once they laughed comparing the power of Hezbollah and Israel, but in 2006 Israel crap one's pants. Since then, comparisons of military potentials of different classes have been made. It is important at what cost it will cost each side.
            When comparing Turkey and Syria, you can even compare them directly, not to mention the issue price for each. The power of Turkey is undeniable, but it is not overwhelming. Syria is also Iran and Hezbollah. And with such a comparison, Turkey is no longer a favorite in direct comparison. And given the instability within Turkey, a failure in the war is a possible collapse of Turkish statehood itself.
            and based on such rates, is it possible to seriously talk about the big war between Syria and Turkey?
      5. Coffee_time
        Coffee_time April 12 2014 00: 08
        +1
        Turkey after getting involved in this war doesn’t shine at all, just like Europe and NATO
      6. chudoudodelt
        chudoudodelt April 12 2014 00: 17
        +1
        Turkey will not fit if the Democrats will not help her)
      7. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 April 12 2014 04: 29
        0
        They don’t have to get into it, they have been stuck deep in their ears for a long time. As they say, de facto. Another thing is to tidy up a part of the territory of Syria. Then, definitely, it is necessary global participation with the offensive of the entire Turkish army. But again, the war is big this is not a big bazaar. One cannot get rid of it with money.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 11 2014 20: 59
      +1
      I remember when they shot down the AF-4 of the Turkish Air Force, everyone started talking about the war and such a comparison table appeared on the Internet.
      Table from the Azerbaijani site.

      1. jjj
        jjj April 11 2014 21: 54
        +5
        Erdogan is so brave. Climbing to where Obama retreated
      2. alone
        alone April 11 2014 21: 54
        +5
        The Syrian army before the war was 220 thousand. Now she is bigger. In battles, 3-6 thousand were killed.

        Well, I don’t know where the author got such data from. At the end of 2011, Syrian officials talked about 2000-2500 soldiers and officers who died at the hands of the militants. Given the intensity of the fighting and the cruelty of the parties, the figure is 3-6 thousand.
        comprehensible. on this article alone you can put a huge minus.

        PS About the article. Turkey and no one will climb into Syria alone. An exception may be an air raid on Turkish territory by Syrian aviation. But here a completely reasonable question arises: Does Assad need this? I think he already has enough problems in his country .
        Gentlemen, war requires huge financial costs. War is a bottomless barrel devouring capital. Turkey will never go there alone. They have completely different plans now.
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ April 12 2014 14: 14
          0
          Quote: lonely
          Well, I don’t know where the author got such data from. At the end of 2011, Syrian officials talked about 2000-2500 soldiers and officers who died at the hands of the militants. Given the intensity of the fighting and the cruelty of the parties, the figure is 3-6 thousand.
          comprehensible. on this article alone you can put a huge minus.

          Do you have other numbers? Show the source. Do you have a video from the last year of major defeats of government forces? The Syrian army suffered serious losses in the initial period of the confrontation, while rebuilding itself to destroy terrorists. Since the second half of 2012, the militants have not been able to carry out a single major strategic operation. The "Storm in Damascus" failed. After the defeat at Al-Qusseir, the militants generally lost any initiative. In such conditions, the main losses are incurred by the civilian population from terrorist attacks and the local self-defense forces, which hold back terrorists until the arrival of the military.
          There are many videos of the same Anna News, which from the front showed many significant battles. And you can estimate quite accurately the loss of individual units. So the number of 6000 dead soldiers does not look very underestimated.
          It is still important to distinguish the army from the special forces. Which are the main burden of street fighting. These are different groups of forces. It was Syria’s military potential that did not suffer significantly, and taking into account supplies from Iran and Russia in some areas, it may be higher than the pre-war one. This is indirectly indicated by the current situation in the war, which is gradually moving into the category of CTO.
          1. alone
            alone April 12 2014 15: 08
            0
            Quote: Gluxar_
            Do you have other numbers? Show the source. Do you have a video from the last year of major defeats of government forces? The Syrian army suffered serious losses in the initial period of the confrontation, while rebuilding itself to destroy terrorists. Since the second half of 2012, the militants have not been able to carry out a single major strategic operation. The "Storm in Damascus" failed. After the defeat at Al-Qusseir, the militants generally lost any initiative. In such conditions, the main losses are incurred by the civilian population from terrorist attacks and the local self-defense forces, which hold back terrorists until the arrival of the military.

            Alex, with the introduction of the war that is going on in Syria, if the losses were at the level of 6000, Hezbollah’s and Shabih’s troops would not be in a hurry to help the Syrian army. Was it possible that after losing 6000 people, the 220th army needed outside help? To argue about the Assad line , some, including you specifically in this commentary, are trying to deny everything and everyone. Only at the beginning of the conflict about ten thousand soldiers and hundreds of officers deserted from the army. The approximate losses of the Syrian Security Forces (Army, police, security services, Alavite militia units, Hezbollah and others) are approximately 40-45 thousand. Losses of militants
            and local and foreigners in the region of 60 bayonets.
            Or do you think that in the Syrian army there are long-term firing points that can be killed only from cannons by direct fire?
      3. alone
        alone April 11 2014 21: 58
        +6
        Quote: Lord Verse
        I remember when they shot down the AF-4 of the Turkish Air Force, everyone started talking about the war and such a comparison table appeared on the Internet.

        Sergei, welcome! About F-4 well remembered. Even then Turkey could hypothetically get into this mess, but as we all saw, did not. I think that the article is provocative in nature and the author decided to play on the feelings of some members of the forum.
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ April 12 2014 14: 16
          0
          Quote: lonely
          Sergei, welcome! About F-4 well remembered. Even then Turkey could hypothetically get into this mess, but as we all saw, did not. I think that the article is provocative in nature and the author decided to play on the feelings of some members of the forum.

          The author of the article plays on the latest news about the offended USA. There is such an opinion in society that the United States wants to take revenge on Russia by attacking Syria ... how it hurts Russia is not entirely clear, but the version is alive and walks in people's minds.
          1. alone
            alone April 12 2014 15: 11
            0
            Quote: Gluxar_
            The author of the article plays on the latest news about the offended USA. There is such an opinion in society that the United States wants to take revenge on Russia by attacking Syria ... how it hurts Russia is not entirely clear, but the version is alive and walks in people's minds.

            The author should study this issue more closely and not shout "Help, fire!", Where there is not even a spark.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 11 2014 22: 08
      +7
      There, the phrase is cut off at the end of the pack.

      In other words, a small victorious war with a lightning throw to Damascus frankly does not work out for the Turks.
      1. atalef
        atalef April 11 2014 22: 27
        -12%
        Quote: Sith Lord
        In other words, a small victorious war with a lightning throw to Damascus frankly does not work out for the Turks.

        and this is not necessary, block the supply routes and airspace. In a month, Assad himself will die.
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya April 11 2014 22: 35
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          and this is not necessary, block the supply routes and airspace. In a month, Assad himself will die.

          I would like to see how Turkey will cover everything. Is Turkey alone in the world? Not so simple.
          1. atalef
            atalef April 11 2014 22: 37
            -8
            Quote: Sterlya
            I would like to see how Turkey will cover everything. Is Turkey alone in the world? Not so simple.

            And who, excuse me with Syria borders? There, in general, there is nothing more to block in addition to the border with Lebanon.
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith April 11 2014 23: 13
              +7
              Quote: atalef
              And who, excuse me with Syria borders? There, in general, there is nothing more to block in addition to the border with Lebanon.

              Is it nothing that Iraq helps with joint operations and constantly IL-76 from Iran are jailing through its territory?
              1. Coffee_time
                Coffee_time April 12 2014 00: 12
                +3
                it's all rotten, right now the turk pounds from the unrest themselves, what kind of mobilization can be
              2. alone
                alone April 12 2014 15: 18
                0
                Quote: Sith Lord
                Is it nothing that Iraq helps with joint operations and constantly IL-76 from Iran are jailing through its territory?

                Iraq is occupied with its territory. There are fierce battles in the Sunni triangle with ISIS. Moreover, the success of the Iraqi army has so far cried, even some of the Shiite volunteers had to be returned from Syria (These volunteers have experience in conducting urban battles). It is impossible to change the course of the war. Iran also has its own problems. The border with Pakistan resembles the initial stage of the Syrian conflict. There is already a jihadist group called "Jindullah" operating there. For a whole year, news of numerous ambushes against border guards and the IRGC has been coming. If it starts there too, Iran will have no time for Syria (Afghanistan is nearby, the Taliban will 76% support the jihadists. And they have experience of waging a specific war in bulk, better than the Iranian army
            2. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ April 12 2014 14: 29
              0
              Quote: atalef
              And who, excuse me with Syria borders? There, in general, there is nothing more to block in addition to the border with Lebanon.

              Well, your knowledge of geography is very sagging. Syria has 150 km of coast. Together with Lebanon, this is more than 320 km. Turkey can stop the Russian or Iranian fleet from flying to Syria? On what basis?
              And what to do with the 600 km border with Iraq? Even the United States is not able to stop the supply of Syria, Turkey is completely worthless in this matter.
              The only thing Turkey is capable of is direct military aggression against Syria along with terrorists. But this is fraught with collapse of statehood for Turkey. The destruction of Syria today is not beneficial to anyone and everyone will take advantage of such a mistake by the Turkish authorities, even NATO allies, to destroy their economic rival.
              As for the prospects of the Turkish army, in isolation from reality. That one thing is a cross-border clash with the support of their rear bases, but 400 km still have to go to Damascus. And this is 4 times further than the Turks went towards Cyprus from their borders ... of which 90% of the distance traveled is the sea.
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ April 12 2014 14: 19
          0
          Quote: atalef
          and this is not necessary, block the supply routes and airspace. In a month, Assad himself will die.

          How can this be done? I’m not spoiling it.
          Turkey is not able to block its border, and you are talking about the blockade of all Syria. What will Turkey do with the Russian fleet? And with the Iraqi border? They cannot even close their border with Iraqi Kurdistan, and you are talking about Syria. This is ridiculous.
  2. zaazua
    zaazua April 11 2014 19: 26
    -50%
    oooh what power !!!
    and then Assad has been fighting for 3 years? against militants who have an eternal brawl between themselves and judging by the video on the Internet, half the time is spent on eating enemies and shooting civilians?
    1. UVB
      UVB April 11 2014 19: 44
      +9
      In addition to the title, it would not be bad to read the article itself.
      1. zaazua
        zaazua April 11 2014 21: 37
        -18%
        well read it!
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 19: 48
      +28
      and then Assad has been fighting for 3 years?
      It is difficult to defeat the enemy with unlimited funding. If the Arabs are given state weapons and financing, Auschwitz will seem to you the promised land. laughing
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War April 11 2014 20: 37
        +6
        Yes. If Saudi Arabia and Qatar sponsored Hezbollah, then Israel would have fought for centuries. lol
        1. zaazua
          zaazua April 11 2014 21: 35
          -14%
          if yes if only!
          but if it were, then Lebanon would be the northern province of Jerusalem!
        2. atalef
          atalef April 11 2014 21: 56
          -11%
          Quote: The Art of War
          Yes. If Saudi Arabia and Qatar sponsored Hezbollah, then Israel would have fought for centuries.

          Dylanism.
      2. zaazua
        zaazua April 11 2014 21: 44
        -11%
        oh comrade fascist that you are so amused !?
        1. The Art of War
          The Art of War April 11 2014 22: 03
          +7
          It’s interesting to hear fascist from those who are so eager to fight with Iran!
          1. zaazua
            zaazua April 11 2014 23: 13
            -8
            instead of war, you just need to do this:
            to put Russia as a guarantor of the production and use of Iran’s nuclear weapons, and if the latter transfers the nuclear weapons to anyone, either punish both!
            1. The Art of War
              The Art of War April 11 2014 23: 23
              +1
              Israel has nuclear weapons do not worry you at one time helped to make the United States and France!
              1. zaazua
                zaazua April 11 2014 23: 33
                -6
                Israel does not have nuclear weapons, but if necessary, we will apply it laughing
                1. The Art of War
                  The Art of War April 12 2014 00: 11
                  +2
                  laughing No, but what did you plant your scientist who said in England that there is and that your Mossad stole it and secretly transferred to Israel they wanted to execute him but it didn’t turn out that journalist had already printed the article!
                2. The Art of War
                  The Art of War April 12 2014 00: 14
                  0
                  Yes, 50 warheads = this trifle can be said that there is no nuclear weapons and the Middle East will be calm)
            2. JIaIIoTb
              JIaIIoTb April 12 2014 01: 11
              +4
              Will the punisher not break?
              We are certainly not enemies of Israel, but you simply will not have a chance if you climb up to "punish" us.
          2. Zaslavsky-S
            Zaslavsky-S April 11 2014 23: 16
            +5
            ZHYDki in his provocative darling. They hike one Wasserman, man.
            1. zaazua
              zaazua April 11 2014 23: 34
              -7
              oooh another superhuman urapatriot has come!
            2. Sigizbarn
              Sigizbarn April 12 2014 00: 57
              +1
              Zaslavsky-S: There are people who live on negative energy for themselves. and such r ... happens among different nations. It’s not worth making generalizations one by one
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 22: 05
          +10
          Quote: zaazua
          what made you so amused !?

          Own wit - Comparison of the promised land and Auschwitz as the goal of Zionism. laughing Have you come here to grab the cons? I understand that they are for you on the drum, your goal is to troll on purpose. What's the point? Or do you follow the precepts of Ben Gurion, inciting and using anti-Semitism for Zionism?
          1. zaazua
            zaazua April 11 2014 23: 08
            -10%
            you have goals - specifically troll

            the author first started!
            By the way, about the fact that you are a fascist, you agreed!
    3. parus2nik
      parus2nik April 11 2014 19: 49
      +16
      Israel also has power, since 1948 it has been fighting the Palestinian Arabs ..
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War April 11 2014 20: 29
        +8
        Hit the point right!
      2. zaazua
        zaazua April 11 2014 21: 36
        -10%
        I don’t watch a war!
    4. Stavros
      Stavros April 11 2014 19: 50
      +12
      You should be pleased that they are eating each other. Imagine what would happen if they were pulled by Jewish legs.
      1. awg75
        awg75 April 11 2014 21: 02
        +11
        the most interesting thing is that Mr. Jew does not understand that in the very near future the money from the sheikhs will go to the enemies of Israel and then they will tryndes for a couple of years !!!!
        The United States will not be able to help them, but we will not. so good luck in the future, friends - save up for a suitcase, train station, hreeeee knows where. and this is at best
        1. zaazua
          zaazua April 11 2014 21: 48
          -12%
          So before they did not go?
          all wars against Israel were sponsored by the Arab League and the USSR
          1. The Art of War
            The Art of War April 11 2014 21: 56
            +8
            The USSR helped you just that you had your own country, Israel
            1. zaazua
              zaazua April 11 2014 23: 09
              -5
              and after that I tried to kill 3 times!
              Taras is direct some kind of bulb!
              1. The Art of War
                The Art of War April 11 2014 23: 31
                +1
                Interestingly, in some years of the USSR 3 times tried to kill you?
                1. zaazua
                  zaazua April 11 2014 23: 43
                  0
                  I personally did not try, and Israel in 67-82 years
                  1. The Art of War
                    The Art of War April 12 2014 00: 26
                    0
                    And what does the USSR have to do with it? At that time you were at war just with Syria, Egypt, Iraq and Jordan!
        2. Stavros
          Stavros April 12 2014 00: 57
          +2
          Tovarisch Jew, he understands everything perfectly. And in this case he has a ticket reserved for EL AL
      2. zaazua
        zaazua April 11 2014 21: 46
        -7
        Yes nifiga will not be!
        so far no one has managed to arrange a civil war in Israel!
        1. jjj
          jjj April 11 2014 21: 55
          +6
          Mossad has a day off. That's right, a few hours are left until Saturday
          1. atalef
            atalef April 11 2014 22: 28
            -1
            Quote: jjj
            Mossad has a day off. That's right, a few hours are left until Saturday

            Quartet laughing
            Learn the mat part. Shabbat begins with the first star. usually at 6-7 p.m.
        2. Sterlya
          Sterlya April 11 2014 22: 13
          +4
          Quote: zaazua
          Yes nifiga will not be!
          so far no one has managed to arrange a civil war in Israel!

          but who knows how it might turn out in the future. while constant danger keeps Israel on top.
          Or maybe when you get fat like Americans or geyropeytsy. start to liberalize too much. support Bendera’s type (which in Odessa, a monument to the victims of the Holocaust was desecrated, just painted a swastika. Didn’t they support the Georgians? (although it was immediately obvious that they were inadequate) So, error after error and tryndets comes slowly. There’s nothing eternal
        3. Shaber
          Shaber April 11 2014 23: 03
          +4
          Yes, that's just your Holocaust invented !!! do not forget !!! and Hitler on a tray brought (((kill old leave small !!! and only !! how can I do this with my brothers ????!
        4. Shaber
          Shaber April 11 2014 23: 03
          +1
          Yes, that's just your Holocaust invented !!! do not forget !!! and Hitler on a tray brought (((kill old leave small !!! and only !! how can I do this with my brothers ????!
        5. alexander 2
          alexander 2 April 12 2014 00: 55
          +4
          Your friend atalef wrote above "A month of propaganda in the right direction and all of Turkey in a single rush after Erdogan." I think Israel is no exception. A year of propaganda in the right direction and Israel will cease to exist. Example-Ukraine. And don't think it's not likely, it's just that nobody needs it. For now.
    5. Wellych
      Wellych April 12 2014 01: 24
      +1
      and then Assad has been fighting for 3 years? against militants

      Well, probably the Israelis know better how many years they have to fight with the militants having the best army in the region.
    6. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ April 12 2014 14: 30
      0
      Quote: zaazua
      oooh what power !!!
      and then Assad has been fighting for 3 years? against militants who have an eternal brawl between themselves and judging by the video on the Internet, half the time is spent on eating enemies and shooting civilians?

      So the Turks have been fighting the PKK for about 30 years and can’t win in any way ... such a punks against the Syrians can not stand.
  3. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m April 11 2014 19: 27
    +12
    The states did not poke their heads, and even the Turks did not shine. Especially in light of recent events in the Crimea.
  4. svp67
    svp67 April 11 2014 19: 29
    +15
    Turkey has no chance of "victorious little war" against Syria
    I think. until Turkey resolves the "Kurdish issue", it has nothing to do with the solution of the "Syrian" issue, otherwise the issues will "solve" it ... And since we will not resolve the "Kurdish" issue for Turkey, then Syria will live ... and we will we will help.
  5. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov April 11 2014 19: 29
    +10
    I think our ships are not just sailing off the coast of Syria! And the Armenians have moved, and their army is good! In addition, the Armenian diaspora in Europe will help with the info-war!
    1. atalef
      atalef April 11 2014 22: 01
      -2
      Quote: serega.fedotov
      I think our ships are not just floating off the coast of Syria!

      The Turkish fleet is many times larger. Nuclear weapons do not drag in this is not the conflict over which the nuclear wars begin

      Quote: serega.fedotov
      And the Armenians stirred, and their army is good!

      Here it is buggy. And how do they get there? In containers with tangerines or what?
  6. mig31
    mig31 April 11 2014 19: 29
    +10
    Turkish caput is inevitable.
    1. Stavros
      Stavros April 11 2014 20: 54
      +1
      Siktim chump will be soon.
    2. atalef
      atalef April 11 2014 22: 01
      0
      Quote: mig31
      Turkish caput is inevitable.

      Where will people go on vacation? And I forgot --- to the Crimea
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War April 11 2014 22: 14
        +3
        Yes to the Crimea and Greece!
        1. atalef
          atalef April 11 2014 22: 29
          -1
          Quote: The Art of War
          Yes to the Crimea and Greece!

          Greece belay
          Komrad is not patriotic.
          1. The Art of War
            The Art of War April 11 2014 22: 36
            +3
            It’s just patriotic to relax in the Orthodox country!
            1. atalef
              atalef April 11 2014 22: 41
              +1
              Quote: The Art of War
              It’s just patriotic to relax in the Orthodox country!

              So do you eat pray? Then you can go to Romania - they are the same Orthodox.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver April 12 2014 01: 33
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Where will people go on vacation? And I forgot --- to the Crimea

        Plus! Crimea must be supported.
  7. Samaritan
    Samaritan April 11 2014 19: 30
    +2
    They will not attack without f-35 and Avax and both of them delay the Americans ... So Syria has a couple of years for sure)))
  8. Tatarus
    Tatarus April 11 2014 19: 38
    +8
    Turkey shows off only because it believes behind NATO. But NATO is not the same. One-armed disabled onanist
    1. nalim
      nalim April 11 2014 20: 29
      +6
      Yeah, and the EU catches his sperm on the fly ...
  9. dude_not_in_theme
    dude_not_in_theme April 11 2014 19: 42
    +5
    pfff .. where all these litter of pyndosia climb, I do not understand. Pyndosam right now is not up to Syria, especially Syria without help from outside will not remain
  10. Stavros
    Stavros April 11 2014 19: 45
    +8
    He would save Turkey, but he thinks about the war.
  11. Dulat
    Dulat April 11 2014 19: 48
    +2
    if Erdogan wants war, then let him take up arms and rush into the battle himself, but don’t drag his country into conflict with anyone
  12. individual
    individual April 11 2014 19: 49
    +3
    Surprise awaits Erdogan when coffins go from Syria and people come to Taksim Square to burn tires and the rudiments of the caliphate will be destroyed with the power of Erdogan admirer of neo-Pan-Turkism.
  13. Valkh
    Valkh April 11 2014 19: 50
    +2
    In a couple of years, maybe Iya will go broke !!! ??? !!! laughing
  14. Leshka
    Leshka April 11 2014 19: 50
    +4
    I hope that nothing will happen, and then the Syrian people and so hard luck to Syria
  15. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 11 2014 19: 51
    +4
    Erdogan, in the war he decided to consolidate his position .. A traditional mistake ...
  16. Valkh
    Valkh April 11 2014 19: 52
    +3
    P.E.D.O.S.I.I will go broke !!!! - censorship !!! hi
  17. siberalt
    siberalt April 11 2014 19: 55
    +5
    Who said that Turkey is striving for a swift war against Syria? Again, some kind of systemic in "bros, like" made in US "! Well, Turkey is not up to that now. Here such" members "climb into its narrow strait, that it's time to take anesthetic! laughing
  18. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 11 2014 19: 59
    +4
    For Erdogan, Syria is a complete ambush. wassat
    To climb = to rest.
  19. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 11 2014 20: 13
    +3
    Quote: Little Muck
    For Erdogan, Syria is a complete ambush. wassat
    To climb = to rest.

    I would not want him to stick it out. Again, blood and big! Russia will have to squeeze in .. Turkey is clearly pushing Israel. (There they have a bummer on all fronts ..) Russia appeared on the world stage with a serious challenge.!
  20. andrei72
    andrei72 April 11 2014 20: 22
    +5
    If the likelihood of Turkey entering the war against Syria is high, the Russian Federation will be OBLIGED to supply the Syrians with various air defense systems, both "long-range", such as the S-300, and short-range, so that Syrian troops can conduct highly effective combat operations. It is quite possible that the Russian Federation will only need to SOUND its decision and this will be enough for Turkey to refuse to intervene.
    1. Mih
      Mih April 11 2014 22: 08
      -1
      But why didn’t they deliver to Serbia?
      1. Turkir
        Turkir April 11 2014 23: 22
        +1
        EBN and inflation.
  21. muhomor
    muhomor April 11 2014 20: 24
    +6
    May Turkey not fight. Well, maybe some kind of petty provocation. Season is coming. Tourists need to make money. What a war here. More expensive for yourself.
    1. tanit
      tanit April 11 2014 20: 40
      +4
      Will not be. And so, if it does, Leo will not surrender, his soldiers are the same. And let the Alavites be a sect (as the respected Lonely One says). Alavites -type "nothing", Leo -type - "no one" (as the respected Professor and other Tsakhals have prophesied for more than a year) - and Lev was already killed a year ago in a mortar attack. And Elena Gromova, being in Syria, doesn't read a damn newspapers (well, she doesn't read them, Jordanian, Israeli, English newspapers, is that a fool ?! wassat ) They wrote to her in black on the Internet a year ago - they killed Leo. And what? Alive? No, the Professor will prove now, not what he wanted to say then what he said, he didn’t say what he said, he didn’t say what he wanted to say, but he didn’t ... And then someone else gets involved and proves by concrete examples that T-90 - against Merkava sucks. laughing Assad is no longer Bashar and finally. wassat
      1. alone
        alone April 11 2014 22: 04
        +1
        Quote: tanit
        And let the Alavites be a sect (as the respected Lonely One says). Alawites -type "nothing"

        I didn’t say that the Alawites didn’t)) Please do not change the idea of ​​my words. I, like a Shiite Muslim, know better who the Alawites are, especially the part that lives in Syria. The fact that the Syrian Alawites are also called nusayrites. According to their teachings in short, the Prophecy was given to Muhammad by mistake, the prophet was supposed to be Ali. In one word, blasphemy and heresy. Therefore, they are considered sectarians. Not one normal Muslim, Sunni or Shiite will not say this. hi
        1. atalef
          atalef April 11 2014 22: 32
          -2
          Quote: lonely
          The fact is that the Syrian Alawites are also called Nusayrites. According to their teachings, in short, the Prophecy was given to Muhammad by mistake, the prophet should have been Ali. In one word, blasphemy and heresy.

          Hi, Omar !!!
          Yes, in Islam the Alawites are a muddy sect. In general, almost everyone considers them to be heretics.
          Alavism is the name for a number of Islamic religious movements, branches or sects, according to some experts, standing on the border between extreme Shiism (Gulat) and a separate religion. Some Muslim theologians (for example, followers of the famous fatwa (interpretation / view of the problem) Ibn Taymiyyi believe that the Alawites split from Shiism and moved away from the dominant Islamic trends in their views and religious practice, which in many ways lost the right to be considered part of Islam in general, turning into a special religion - a mixture of Islam, Christianity and pre-Islamic eastern beliefs ("jahiliya").
          1. alone
            alone April 11 2014 22: 43
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Hi, Omar !!!
            Yes, in Islam the Alawites are a muddy sect. In general, almost everyone considers them to be heretics.

            )) Hi Alexander! Do you know what is interesting? They try to prove to me a Muslim Shiite that the Alawites are Shiites)) laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef April 11 2014 22: 52
              0
              Quote: lonely
              ) Hi Alexander! Do you know what is interesting? They try to prove to me a Muslim Shiite that the Alawites are Shiites))

              Not surprisingly, the bulk of the Alawites were heard, if not today, then at best yesterday. But they already consider themselves specialists.
        2. The Art of War
          The Art of War April 11 2014 23: 04
          0
          Omar, as a Muslim, I hope you read the book Protocols of the Zion of the Sages?
          1. alone
            alone April 11 2014 23: 14
            +3
            Well, do you seriously believe that? The protocols of the Zionite sages are utter nonsense)) I do not believe in such things.
            1. The Art of War
              The Art of War April 11 2014 23: 36
              0
              I don’t think that Henry Ford was a stupid man otherwise — if he didn’t translate the Protocols of the Zionist sages into many languages, the conclusion is that he found in them what deserves attention and some events have to be!
              1. Revolver
                Revolver April 12 2014 01: 48
                0
                Quote: The Art of War
                I don't think Henry Ford was a stupid person

                As an engineer, yes, talent. But in life - in particular, he went personally to pay homage to Hitler, so who is he after that? Well, yes, by the way, you yourself admitted this, you don’t think, obviously for the complete inability to such an action lol
                1. The Art of War
                  The Art of War April 12 2014 07: 59
                  +1
                  As the family says, it’s not without a freak in Hitler’s country! Let's not forget that the 1st and 2nd World Wars were sponsored by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers
                2. The Art of War
                  The Art of War April 12 2014 08: 05
                  0
                  laughing Look at the fucking patriot of the USA laughing Thinkinghttp: www.youtube.com/watch? V = NdypvlzUTz8
                  1. The Art of War
                    The Art of War April 12 2014 08: 05
                    0
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MJBoqYnVcw
        3. Revolver
          Revolver April 12 2014 01: 40
          0
          Quote: lonely
          The prophecy was given to Muhammad by mistake, the prophet was supposed to be Ali.
          So, in their opinion, it turns out and Allah is mistaken? lol
          1. alone
            alone April 12 2014 11: 48
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            So, in their opinion, it turns out and Allah is mistaken?

            I hope you now understand what the teachings of the Alawites are)))
        4. tanit
          tanit April 12 2014 11: 00
          0
          And I didn’t say that you said that
          Quote: lonely
          And let -alavites- have a sect (as the respected Lonely says)
          That, in fact, is all that I affirmed, relying on your own words. With regard to you. hi
    2. KBPC50
      KBPC50 April 11 2014 20: 54
      +1
      Perfectly said! And who does not know that Erdogan Aleppo is a thief!
  22. 120352
    120352 April 11 2014 20: 26
    +3
    It is clear that Turkey is fulfilling the US order in Syria, therefore, the Turks will not act there especially zealously, as the international bandits hired by the Pentagon and the CIA do.
    Assad, unlike his father, is not a military man, but a doctor - an ophthalmologist, moreover, a very good doctor. It's not enough to be a satisfactory strategist, but hopefully he's not alone in Syria. There is someone to solve these issues. We are now busy with showdowns with Ukraine and we have no time for Syria yet. But Lavrov disappointed me today, saying that Russia would not annex the South-East of Ukraine. This is dishonorable to half-brothers who were counting on our participation. We can only assume and hope that the South-East will form an independent state and we will help it in this. Then we will be able to provide more serious assistance to Syria. And we need Syria because after its fall the "partners" -supostates will deal with Iran, and after it with us. And I don't want this at all.
    1. Horly
      Horly April 12 2014 00: 04
      +3
      Lavrov said exactly as the Russian Foreign Minister should have said, who has no right to emotions. In another way, he does not have the right to speak ... For now, anyway
  23. sem_juver
    sem_juver April 11 2014 20: 38
    +1
    The Turks will not climb against the regular army, they are too cowardly for this. It's not just punitive measures, in which the Turks are big pros, but a full-fledged war against a fully combat-ready army, plus we should not forget about Iran’s position. Everything is likely to be limited to escalating the situation, playing with muscles, and shooting through the border.
  24. fly fishing
    fly fishing April 11 2014 20: 40
    +2
    We will help Syria in confronting the aggressors, but the Turks will think with whom to fight. Like it or not, our military equipment is the most advanced in the world. Plus the fighting spirit of the Syrians and the experience of fighting. Oh and don't say hello to Erdogan angry
    Sit in silence and do not lean out laughing
  25. homosum20
    homosum20 April 11 2014 20: 52
    +1
    Yes, I would fit in sooner.
    This nation of crooked noses has already lured.
    Well, let Assad put another 1000 tanks and a dozen 2-3 s-300s - and Turkey will end. One country is less NATO.
    1. alone
      alone April 11 2014 22: 08
      +2
      Quote: homosum20
      Well, let Assad put another 1000 tanks and a dozen 2-3 s-300s - and Turkey will end. One country is less NATO.

      Have you ever looked at the map? How can you deliver 1000 tanks and 30 s-300 to Syria? Through the straits that are in Turkey. And what if they suddenly close the straits? Tell me about international laws. And who is observing them? International laws have long been play the role of toilet paper))
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 22: 19
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        . And what if they suddenly close the straits?

        around Europe, there would be a desire.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 11 2014 22: 35
          -4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          around Europe, there would be a desire.

          And who will fight on all this?
          Or the same s-300 (which is no longer a panacea, Israel has long learned to suppress them 0
          It’s like a TV remote. Turned on and ready - no need to learn, where is the time to deploy the systems. integration. rallying - in general, idle chatter.
          1. The Art of War
            The Art of War April 11 2014 22: 51
            +5
            Interesting to suppress? The USA also thought that they were smart but their super stealth F-117 was shot down by the still old S-125
            1. Revolver
              Revolver April 12 2014 02: 10
              -1
              Quote: The Art of War
              Suppress interesting how?

              Yes, even so:
              http://topwar.ru/43422-prodvinutaya-protivoradiolokacionnaya-upravlyaemaya-raket
              a-aargm-ot-kompanii-atk-poluchaet-vtoroy-kontrakt-na-polnomasshtabnoe-proizvodst
              vo.html
              Quote: The Art of War
              super stealth F-117 was shot down by the still old S-125

              Well, if they saw him in TCEs, God himself ordered to bring down. He flies like a cow, subsonic and generally not maneuverable. And in general, he should not have fought, he was made just as a demonstrator of radar invisibility technology, but there were those who insisted on starting the series. Yes, in life, the 2nd World Anti-aircraft guns in an element would be shot down if illuminated by spotlights at night. Someone came up late that radar invisibility and invisibility in general are 2 big differences, as they used to say in Odessa before the era of Ukrainization. But at least it dawned on them, they put them on a joke.
              1. The Art of War
                The Art of War April 12 2014 08: 39
                -1
                laughing missile shit however and how is your super tank Abrams that burned well in Iraq laughing
                1. alone
                  alone April 12 2014 13: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: The Art of War
                  missile shit however and how is your super tank Abrams that burned well in Iraq

                  Can you give me an example, the tank of which cannot be destroyed? In this world, there is a breakdown for every scrap. To slander someone else only because he is a stranger, and to praise one’s own only because it’s your own, it’s not patriotism, but the highest degree of cheer and patriotism utter amateurism)) hi .Each equipment, regardless of the country of manufacture, which is adopted and sold, requires attention. Because those who did this and took into service are not amateurs at all, but good specialists in their field.
          2. sPS
            sPS April 12 2014 00: 07
            +1
            but what about military advisers from Russia ... the Vietnamese were taught to knock down fountains and the Syrians will be taught ... when the homeland is defended by cohesion at the same time we also get a new experience of using non-state military organizations .... and much more ... desire to help GDP ... yes
            1. alone
              alone April 12 2014 13: 56
              +1
              Quote: sps
              but what about military advisers from Russia ... the Vietnamese were taught to knock down fonts and the Syrians will be taught.

              Pavel. Do you know how much time it takes to make a good pilot, tanker, air defense officer? Years. Syrians simply do not have such time. Syria had excellent tank troops. Even the Israeli military always respected and did not say anything bad about Syrian tank troops. Over the course of 3 years, tank forces suffered significant losses in equipment and crews. It takes time, years to prepare specialists. But now there is not enough time. Every day of the confrontation is the loss of people, equipment, and high-class specialists. 5000 tanks, and if there are no specialists or if they are not sufficiently trained, this will not solve anything.
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      2. Stavros
        Stavros April 11 2014 22: 55
        +4
        Close the gut. The Turks at one time also turned a spectacle, tried to prevent the SS-300 from delivering through the straits to Greece. They didn’t get a damn.
        1. alone
          alone April 11 2014 23: 16
          -1
          Quote: Stavros
          Close the gut. The Turks at one time also turned a spectacle, tried to prevent the SS-300 from delivering through the straits to Greece. They didn’t get a damn.

          Well, you compared)) Firstly, to Cyprus, and not to Greece. In the end, the S-300 was transferred to Greece on the island of Crete. Syria is not Greece. Turkey and Greece in the NATO Block, do not forget this.
          1. The Art of War
            The Art of War April 11 2014 23: 40
            0
            That's what NATO can say the 2nd US Army because there are no Sovereign States!
  26. KBPC50
    KBPC50 April 11 2014 20: 53
    +1
    Quote: platitsyn70
    if the turkey gets into this adventure, then Iran will come out on the side of Syria and there will be a big war.
    If Iran "fits" there will be no big war! There will be an average, absolutely lost by Erdogan. The Turkish military is a caste. And the caste does not really like to obey. And they are not fools - the Turkish military. They are now not in a very good position thanks to the efforts of Erdogan. They would rather leave him than lay their lives on Erdogan's altar, they absolutely do not need it! Under Ataturk, they were one of the wealthiest and most respected strata of society. Erdogan offends them.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 11 2014 22: 54
      -4
      Quote: KBPC50
      If Iran "fits" there will be no big war!

      another hegemon of local scale.
      The Turkish army is the strongest in the region. No one just stood by.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ April 12 2014 14: 41
        0
        Quote: atalef
        another hegemon of local scale.
        The Turkish army is the strongest in the region. No one just stood by.

        The Turkish army is in a systemic crisis, constant military purges and confrontation within society undermine the motivation of military personnel. The serious internal problem of the Kurds undermines the statehood of Turkey.
        Where did Turkey stand out? Even against Cyprus, the Turkish army showed its failure. If we can still compare the military potential of Turkey and Syria, Iran’s solidity does not give the Turks any chance of victory.
    2. atalef
      atalef April 11 2014 22: 56
      -4
      Quote: KBPC50
      . Turkish military - caste. A caste does not really like to obey.

      loves to fight for

      Quote: KBPC50
      Rather, they will leave him, than put their lives on the altar of Erdogan, they absolutely do not need it!

      absolutely not a fact

      Quote: KBPC50
      Under Ataturk, they were one of the wealthiest and most respected sections of society. Erdogan offends them.

      But to play war games is stronger.
  27. Ek.Sektor
    Ek.Sektor April 11 2014 20: 54
    +4
    Pleased with the presence of brand new BTR-80 in Syria, I hope there is something new in store smile
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War April 11 2014 21: 06
      0
      Everything can be! wink
    2. Irokez
      Irokez April 11 2014 21: 21
      +3
      Quote: Ek.Sektor
      Pleased with the presence of brand new BTR-80 in Siri

      This is most likely enhanced security provided by Russia for the export of chemicals. weapons to the place of loading on ships.
      Quote: homosum20
      Well, let Assad put another 1000 tanks and a dozen 2-3 s-300s - and Turkey will end. One country is less NATO.

      I ask you not to forget that if the Syria-Turkey conflict begins, then the Bosphorus will most likely be closed and the supply of arms to Syria may cease, which is very sad and only through Iran, Iraq.
      The Kurds are the horse of Syria, declaring the northern territories as Kurdistan, the Kurds of Turkey and Iraq will begin to stick to it, which for Turkey will open a second irreconcilable front. On the other hand, the Armenians beyond Mount Ararat and the territories once belonged to Armenia, but there Karabakh and allies in Turkey have Azerbaijan. And of course, Russia's most powerful pressure from the Black Sea (political and economic). So the Turks are surrounded on almost all sides.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ April 12 2014 14: 49
        0
        Quote: Irokez
        I ask you not to forget that if the Syria-Turkey conflict begins, then the Bosphorus will most likely be closed and the supply of arms to Syria may cease, which is very sad and only through Iran, Iraq.

        On what basis is it blocked? This is called a blockade, and this can be regarded as an act of aggression against Russia. The Bosphorus Strait has international legal status. Shipping on it cannot be limited to Turkey.
  28. Palladium900
    Palladium900 April 11 2014 20: 55
    +1
    I would not be surprised if Assad had any surprise from Uncle Volodya ..
    1. Stavros
      Stavros April 11 2014 21: 12
      +4
      And it is desirable that this surprise could fly to Ankara.
  29. Skifo
    Skifo April 11 2014 21: 32
    +2
    Ah Turks! It would be better if tourists were served! Tagil!
  30. Mih
    Mih April 11 2014 21: 34
    +4
    My Phantom, like a quick bullet, on a shot wing, is quickly approaching the ground ...
    And the slanting one who commanded the interrogation told me: the Vietnamese LI SI Tsyn knocked you down.
    I walk on the damned land ...
  31. Sterlya
    Sterlya April 11 2014 21: 42
    +2
    If Turkey gets involved in an adventure. Erdogan is sure to get pepper. I don’t think that it is complete and ... from, it can do small provocations, but a large-scale invasion. no. I personally think not. he’s not Bendera, there’s still a little brain
  32. mamont5
    mamont5 April 11 2014 21: 56
    +3
    "The military activity of Turkey on the border with Syria has intensified, and in parallel there was a recording of the conversations of Prime Minister Recep Erdogan, clearly eager for a small victorious war against his southern neighbor. The situation is more than understandable - Erdogan's position is precarious."

    I think this is the situation when it is cheaper to solve the issue of ONE bullet. In Turkey, few will regret Erdogan.
  33. Mih
    Mih April 11 2014 22: 01
    +1
    and the Turks are Aryans. You constantly robbed the coast of the Ottoman Empire, and when it got hot you asked for it under the wing of the white king.
    You couldn’t even cope with the Poles, and, rewriting history, say that the Roman Empire did not dare to fight with you. Is this not funny for you?
    You are just stupid people.
  34. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 April 11 2014 22: 10
    +1
    Ask one question: do the Turks need all this crap? I’ll tell you this: Erdogan is not a foolish person, and he understands that following in line with the West is not only a trap (for Turkey, if it is followed unambiguously), but in general, look at the prospect (it’s me for Erdogan) there will be an unforgivable mistake — they are so just as we are not going to be the West, the West will be Russia and Turkey will be here to help us and ourselves.
  35. alone
    alone April 11 2014 22: 11
    0
    Nobody will go anywhere. Why succumb there? So far, everyone in Syria is busy destroying each other. They will only climb there when there is no one to resist. And most likely, Arab countries, Assad’s enemies, will climb there.
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War April 12 2014 00: 01
      +2
      Syria destroys the enemies of its country and the enemies of Syria have no homeland or flag - these are mercenaries fighting for money!
      1. alone
        alone April 12 2014 00: 43
        0
        Quote: The Art of War
        the enemies of Syria have no homeland or flag - these are mercenaries fighting for money!

        For money, no fool will blast himself. Yes, these people do not have a homeland, their flag is black — They are rare fanatics, moreover, ferocious and cruel. They seek the way to paradise.
        1. The Art of War
          The Art of War April 12 2014 00: 58
          +1
          On someone else’s grief, they won’t make happiness, and they’re unlikely to go to heaven
          1. alone
            alone April 12 2014 11: 52
            +2
            Quote: The Art of War
            On someone else’s grief, they won’t make happiness, and they’re unlikely to go to heaven

            The gates of Paradise are closed to the suicides, moreover, it is for all religions. These teachings have this.
            Those who undermine themselves by killing others do not do it for money. They don’t need money. They already provide everyone with everything they need for life. And in heaven (where they won’t go) and in hell (100% will be there), money nobody needs anyone.
  36. Baikal
    Baikal April 11 2014 22: 19
    +10
    Turkey will answer for Syria - for the strikes, for the training of militants, for everything.
    Her time will come. Life is round, you know.

    I like to review at my leisure)
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War April 11 2014 22: 41
      +1
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pl5qf9Fb8o
      1. Baikal
        Baikal April 11 2014 23: 14
        0
        AAAAA, GIS))))
        1. The Art of War
          The Art of War April 11 2014 23: 58
          +1
          So the Turks will scare with slingshots))))))) on the border
  37. Ihrek
    Ihrek April 11 2014 22: 23
    0
    In any case, for Turkey it will not be an easy walk. And if Iran still rises, then the fire in the region will be large, naturally, and Russia will not watch in silence.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 11 2014 22: 38
      -1
      Quote: Jamal1974
      In any case, for Turkey it will not be an easy walk. And if Iran still rises, then the fire in the region will be large, naturally, and Russia will not watch in silence.

      And what Iran can do. more precisely how? There is no common border with Syria
  38. andj61
    andj61 April 11 2014 22: 33
    +1
    For Turkey, there will be no easy and victorious war. And the militants of the Kurdish Workers' Party from Iraq are again moving to Turkey. So there may not be a war, but reconnaissance in battle, and even then by Arab militants with the support of the Turkish army.
  39. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 11 2014 22: 57
    +3
    We’ll deal with Ukraine, and then we’ll deal with Turkey ..)) The hour of reckoning is near! Think Erdogan ... Russia is observing and drawing conclusions .. (after all, it’s snoozing again ...))) bully Do not be a moron ..)))
    1. alone
      alone April 11 2014 23: 18
      0
      Vitaly, you are a rare patriot cheer, moreover from among the incorrigible.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 11 2014 23: 45
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        Vitaly, you are a rare patriot cheer, moreover from among the incorrigible.

        Oh, what it is .. And with the Turks it will still be so .. believe me .. (cheers not cheers And everything is tired ..! And you advise such hehe
        1. alone
          alone April 12 2014 00: 47
          0
          I won’t believe it. You won’t even blink an eye. Turkey is not Georgia and Ukraine)) Turkey is NATO. This is the third world war. Nuclear war. Drive yourself into the brain. And about the council, why what, we don’t need your advice. hi
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  40. GRAY
    GRAY April 11 2014 23: 05
    +5
    To set the mood.
    1. alone
      alone April 11 2014 23: 20
      0
      The selection is certainly interesting. Filming proves that this happened realistically, and not staging. In war everything can happen, worse and funnier than in this video.
  41. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx April 11 2014 23: 37
    +3
    In other words, the Turks have nothing to catch!
  42. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 11 2014 23: 54
    0
    The Turks see the wrong story to see .. There’s even Omar (lonely) appeared ..)) bully
    1. alone
      alone April 12 2014 11: 55
      +2
      I know my story and the history of others. The story, by the way, does not like returning to the past either.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      . There’s even Omar (lonely) appeared ..))

      I kind of didn’t go anywhere to appear))
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 13 2014 10: 59
        0
        You are all observers now (silenced) We are dealing with Ukraine "imperials" ..! And there is no support from you (even on the forum ..) We are not offended because our allies are always the same .. (I think it’s not worth reminding) We all remember .. Lonely ..! hi
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 13 2014 10: 59
        0
        You are all observers now (silenced) We are dealing with Ukraine "imperials" ..! And there is no support from you (even on the forum ..) We are not offended because our allies are always the same .. (I think it’s not worth reminding) We all remember .. Lonely ..! hi
        1. alone
          alone April 13 2014 16: 41
          0
          Quote: MIKHAN
          You are all observers now (silenced) We are dealing with Ukraine "imperials" ..! And there is no support from you (even on the forum ..) We are not offended because our allies are always the same .. (I think it’s not worth reminding) We all remember .. Lonely ..!

          Do you expect help from us? When the UN General Assembly put to the vote the issue of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, Russia voted against and Ukraine voted.
          Why should I support you in Ukraine? Support a country that does not support the integrity of my country?
          And who are you Generally Vitaly to remember? Are you Putin, Medvedev, Surkov, Shoigu, Kolokoltsov? You are an ordinary person who does not decide anything. With your constant cries of "We remember, we will take revenge" you are already tired of the order. My country is not Ukraine. Yes, we are monitoring the situation and draw appropriate conclusions. What is happening with Ukraine, we do not have this will be.
  43. Lelek
    Lelek April 12 2014 00: 17
    +3
    States through NATO (and Turkey is a member of NATO) warm up Turkey in a conflict with Syria in order to draw Iran into it. Then NATO has a reason for the Iraqi variant - they bomb, shoot rockets from afar, and then the American base in the oil-bearing region and in the underbelly of Russia. And if you manage to draw Russia into the conflict, then this is a free gift for the NATO mosquito. In my opinion, something like that. soldier
  44. komel
    komel April 12 2014 00: 42
    +4
    The US Senate Foreign Relations Committee adopted a resolution on the Armenian Genocide, which recognizes the systematic destruction of the Armenian population in the Ottoman Empire in 1915. Of the 18 members of the Committee, 12 supported the resolution, 5 spoke out against, and one abstained.
  45. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 12 2014 03: 32
    +2
    Even the United States wants to avenge Russia for Crimea with the wrong hands — that's a scanty state!
  46. Lyton
    Lyton April 12 2014 05: 14
    0
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    Even the United States wants to avenge Russia for Crimea with the wrong hands — that's a scanty state!

    Yes, apparently they are already tired of shitting, and they want to protect themselves, suddenly something goes wrong.
  47. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec April 12 2014 05: 43
    0
    Or maybe it’s just easier to fasten this Erdagan to a fang than to make Turkish lads suffer ...
  48. voveim
    voveim April 12 2014 11: 50
    0
    Air defense - she. Because "air defense". SHE is capable of limited surprises.
  49. tanit
    tanit April 12 2014 13: 01
    0
    Personally, I believe Thunder. I want to believe Elena, and I believe. And to all the rest, explain to me, stupid, how assassinated Assad a year ago is still alive more than once? Well, you have many authoritative and magnanimously substantiated - it is not
    There are three types of situation in Syria.
    1. Elena Gromomova and Annanyus (of course they lie, Putin's prikormoshi wassat ) But - their honor and praise.
    2. Israeli omniscient (the question is unanswered - did Israel send its correspondents to Syria? A reference to respected forum users, if you all know, say the names of your honest correspondents)
    3.Worldwide Turkic. (Well, this can be believed with reservations)
    Why do I believe Elena? - She does not read Israeli and Turkish newspapers.
    1. alone
      alone April 12 2014 14: 15
      0
      You can believe anything, of course. About Assad’s murder, I don’t know a couple of times they talked about this, but there was no evidence.
      Gromova writes, I do not argue. But, the articles are extremely one-sided and with many errors, moreover sometimes even with brute force. Anna-News also works with very large errors, video recordings are sometimes 100% staged. I can even prove materially, if anyone is interested. And the biggest puncture them, was that, showing a mountain of weapons taken from the militants against the background of the black-white-green flag of the FSA, they claimed that these weapons belonged to the Al-Qaeda militants of Syria, who surrendered. Everyone who knows that, Syrian Al-Qaeda "Jabhat al Nusra" has a black flag, like all other divisions of Al Qaeda. And Musin's statements that the militants are being trained by the personal guard of the President of Azerbaijan are generally screaming. Does Musin really know that, such persons are not visiting, because they know a lot state secrets.

      1. Thunder can and someone pays, but certainly not Putin))
      2. Do not forget that Israel has powerful intelligence. So they can’t be mistrustfully said. They are near Syria, and they know quite well what is happening there.
      3. What are you interested in? Here, where I live, in Azerbaijan, some people also left for Syria to fight. Moreover, from both sides. Information comes to us from both sides. Therefore, we sometimes have to intervene in disputes, and correct what is open propaganda.

      Quote: tanit
      Why do I believe Elena? - She does not read Israeli and Turkish newspapers.


      Yes, she reads the official newspapers of Syria. But this is not a 100% indicator of objectivity. No one will say sour about his milk.
      A person is given a brain and a mind. Reading the information of both sides, one can come to an opinion that more or less draws on reality.
  50. tanit
    tanit April 12 2014 13: 44
    -2
    Alavite muddy sect. Christians are a muddy sect. Judea is a troubled sect. Confucian muddy sect. Hindus are a muddy sect. laughing What religion do not take, from the point of view of other religions, it is a muddy sect. hi