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Without coal and gasolineUkraine's economy is waiting for collapse and complete restructuring, if the rebellious Donetsk, Kharkov and Lugansk prefer the Crimean scenario. But joining Russia will help bring the industrial potential of Donbass to a qualitatively new level, and the South-East of Ukraine will be able to become a donor for the Russian budget much faster than the Crimea.


Recent events in the South-East of Ukraine show that at least three regions: Donetsk, Kharkiv and Lugansk regions - may prefer to go according to the Crimean scenario and join the Russian Federation. The possible consequences of the implementation of this scenario could be even more catastrophic for the Ukrainian economy than the default expected in the country.

Suffice it to say that, according to official statistics of Ukraine for 2012 a year (later data was not published), these three southeastern regions of Ukraine account for more than 21% of the country's total GDP. Thus, together with the Crimea, Ukraine will lose almost a quarter of its economy.

Donbass is still the most economically developed region, including thanks to minerals. Here are the largest enterprises of the coal mining, military, metallurgical and chemical industries, the rocket and space industry, aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding and ship repair, as well as Ukrainian refineries. It is not by chance that experts and officials themselves admit that Southeast is the main breadwinner of Western Ukraine.

Donetsk region is the second after Kyiv on welfare region of Ukraine. The region's GRP in 2012 amounted to 170,8 billion UAH, or 11,7% of the total Ukrainian economy.

Kharkiv and Luhansk regions are lagging behind, however, they are among the ten largest regions of Ukraine and provide 5,6% and 4% of the country's economy. GRP of the Kharkiv region is two times less than the Donetsk GRP - 82,2 billion hryvnia. The economy of the Luhansk region is almost three times less - 58,8 billion hryvnia (comparable to the economy of the Lviv region).

If these three regions follow the path of the Crimea, then the rest of Ukraine will not be sweet. “In case of separation of these regions, Ukraine loses a powerful industrial cluster and important raw materials bases. Coal reserves exist in the Lviv-Volyn basin, small deposits of oil and natural gas exist in the Carpathian region and in the north-east of the republic. But with the loss of Donbass their resources, most likely, will not be enough, ”says Dmitry Kravchenko, chairman of the presidium of the Association of Young Entrepreneurs of Russia.

In addition to the developed industry, Donbass has a favorable geographical position at the intersection of important transport routes: the region has one of the densest railway networks in Ukraine, the expert adds.

Given that Ukraine is now in a pre-default state, and debts for gas have already grown to 2,2 billion dollars, the loss of nursing regions is a terrible blow. The Ukrainian economy will have to completely restructure. Over time, the socio-economic situation, of course, should improve, but the path to this will be extremely thorny and long. And the Ukrainians can only blame Maidan, European integration and the current authorities of the country, who illegally seized power in the country and lead it to collapse. For the rest of Ukraine, this would mean not just a loss of ties with Russia, but also a clear transformation into another appendage of Western Europe, which now represents the majority of the eastern and southern countries - members of the eurozone.

Potential regions

Donetsk region is distinguished by a developed mechanical engineering and metalworking, electric power industry and a powerful chemical complex. The share of the fuel industry and ferrous metallurgy is almost twice the national average.

Meanwhile, Donetsk in recent years due to the actions of the Ukrainian authorities (or rather even due to inaction) has turned into a subsidized region. According to the 2012 of the year, the subsidies from the center slightly exceed the budget receipts and are many times more than, for example, were transferred by Kiev to the same Crimea. However, this is a simple explanation. First, it is the industrial South-East, especially the Donetsk region, that accounts for the largest gas consumption. And the center is forced to subsidize the costs of mining and metallurgical companies. Unfortunately, it is precisely coal mining that pulls the region down and spoils profitability indicators, since the volume of investments in the coal industry exceeds the yield.

"The coal industry in the Donetsk region was subsidized because the technologies currently used there are mostly outdated," says Ivan Andrievsky, first vice president of the Russian Union of Engineers. The industrialists of Ukraine are now practically in distress, but joining the EU is unlikely to solve their problems in the coming years, he adds.

The Kharkiv region, in contrast to the Donetsk region, by all indicators remains the region that feeds Ukraine. In the first half of 2013, the region transferred billion hryvnias to the budget of 10,38, and received almost three times less in the form of subsidies - 3,48 billion hryvnias. This is explained by the fact that there are more than 40 oil and gas fields in the region. The volumes of energy resources extracted by Ukraine are, of course, not comparable with the Russian ones, but they are growing every year.

It was in the Kharkiv region that Shell wanted to find shale gas, although, besides environmental risks, there are also commercial ones: there may simply not be enough volume for production. This has already happened in Poland. And the very first shale well, drilled in the Pervomaisky district of the Kharkiv region by Shell, also did not meet expectations on reserves.

In addition to oil and gas production, the Kharkiv region is distinguished by a developed agricultural engineering and construction materials production.

Lugansk region, although it is subsidized, but can also boast a developed engineering, metalworking and food industry.

Problems are solved

The industrially strong regions of Ukraine became subsidized in the absence of the necessary investments in industry in the last 20 years. Enterprises continue to operate solely thanks to the heritage and technologies of the Soviet past. And this means that the cost of gas and electricity from industry is still high compared with Russian enterprises. The energy intensity of the industry of the South-East is four times more than in the EU. Labor productivity was also not raised by anyone, and now its level is at least seven times lower than in the EU. Metallurgists of Ukraine continue to use open-hearth furnaces, which modern enterprises, including Russian, have long refused.

Many enterprises in these regions are competitors of Russian industry. However, their cooperation with Russia can bring a synergistic effect. Of course, when implementing the Crimean scenario in the same Donetsk, Russia will need huge investments, primarily in the modernization of the industry. However, they can pay off much faster than in the Crimea. These are general laws: infrastructure projects (the main costs in the Crimea for them) are more expensive and pay off longer than investing in mining and processing. If it will be possible, according to expert estimates, to turn the Crimea from a subsidized region into a self-sufficient region not earlier than five years later, Donetsk, with due regard to industry and investment, is able to become self-sufficient much faster.

“Donbass as a whole has significant potential for the creation of industrial zones, the development of an international trade system, transport corridors, and modern communication lines. Therefore, for Russia, of course, it would be a very attractive prospect to join these areas, ”says Kravchenko.

Potential joining of Donbass to Russia will raise the region to a qualitatively new level of development. It is possible and not to mention that the language problem and the threat of Ukrainization, NATO membership or the imposition of the OUN-UPA cult will disappear in these regions, as publicist Yuri Lukschits says.

The only possible problem from an economic point of view is the determination of the status of these territories by the world community. Private investors may be deterred, as in the situation with the Crimea. However, the Crimea has already shown that Russian investors are not shy, because they understand that political squabbles will eventually disappear, and Donbas needs investments today.
The example of Crimea is indicative. In addition to government investments, businessman Ruslan Baysarov (for example, the construction of the all-season ski resort Veduchi in the Chechen Republic) has already announced 12 billion rubles in the tourism complex of the Crimea. And the first Russian banks began to arrive in the place of the Ukrainian banking structures in the Crimea. According to the republic’s prime minister Sergei Aksenov, they have already offered to invest over a billion dollars in the Crimea.

Therefore, in the near future we should expect interest from the Russian companies and to the southeastern region, the industrial potential of which, coupled with large reserves of natural resources and developed infrastructure is obvious.
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  1. avt
    avt April 11 2014 12: 50
    +45
    Yaytsenyukh with oligarchy has already begun to include the rear in Donetsk. laughing Oh, how they scared their GDP with gas yesterday - they were immediately blown away. The main thing is that people don’t get on the idle talk and stand their ground!
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 April 11 2014 12: 56
      +23
      Donetsk Republic takes control of the cities of the region
      The government of the Donetsk People's Republic, which is gradually being formed, will fully take control over all cities in the region, said one of the leaders of the supporters of the federalization of Ukraine, a member of the self-proclaimed People's Government of the Donetsk People's Republic, Deputy Head of the Donbass People's Militia Sergey Tsyplakov. "The government of the Donetsk People's Republic is now gradually being formed. It will issue its decrees, will take full control over all cities in the region. It will, in general, be engaged in ordinary state activities," Tsyplakov said. He also noted that the security forces of the republic are increasing their resources, and detachments will be formed. "Local militia units do not interfere with our work in any way. There is not even any cordon around the Regional State Administration building, no pickets. I think they feel our innocence. One of these days we will call on them to come over to our side and recognize our legitimacy," Tsyplakov added. Also, the people's government decided to recognize the Republic of Crimea and the results of the referendum in Crimea on March 16. "They also turned to Crimea with a request to recognize the Donetsk People's Republic," Tsyplakov said.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 12: 57
      +22
      Donetsk, Kharkov and Lugansk will prefer the Crimean scenario. But joining Russia will help bring the industrial potential of Donbass to a whole new level,
      Without reading the article -
      Kharkov, they won’t give up without a fight, there the military-industrial complex of Ukraine and giving it to Russia is to lose everything.
      Donetsk and Lugansk, how many people live there? Joining Russia is a huge burden on our budget, pensions, salaries, re-equipment and construction of hospitals, stadiums, roads and other things and everything. The question is, do we extend it ??? Rather, the speech will indicate the creation of a new independent state with its own authorities.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS April 11 2014 13: 01
        +30
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        the construction of hospitals, stadiums, roads and other things and everything. The question is, do we extend it ???


        We'll have to pull it out, it’s just necessary, we pulled out the Olympics, but what about throwing our own?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 April 11 2014 13: 16
          +3
          The question is not in the throw, but in the fact that the load is too high and it needs to be diversified. If you invest only in social networks and infrastructure, then it will not pay off and the regions will hang on Russia as economic recipients, but we have enough of ours. Therefore, you must first invest in the modernization of industry, and then raise the social programs when the initial investments begin to pay off. It is impossible to do this within one state. So, at least federalization is legally (and in fact a confederation), and at the maximum, an independent Little Russia similar to Belarus. The main thing here is to find a second father, or the first to ask for the region to take. Although this is also not an ice option.
          1. lance
            lance April 11 2014 15: 56
            +4
            and all the same, it’s better to raise Ukraine in parts than in five years all at once- and this is not a joke who needs a west without a southeast, even Poland shies away
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 13: 18
          +8
          Quote: RUSS

          I have to pull it out, it’s just necessary

          Well, this is a slogan and nothing more. The olympiad is 50 billion bucks, but 20 million citizens will be more serious. It’s easy for us to provide whoever we want, but for those who make up the budget, and even if they try to put pressure on Russia economically, it's that simple.
          1. Freemason
            Freemason April 11 2014 13: 48
            +4
            Alexander, the question here will not be how to date the population, but how the population will use its resources. I agree here we can write a lot and beautifully, but competently calculating the budget is another task. + make sure that someone profited from this ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 15: 13
              +1
              Quote: Farmason
              Alexander, the question here will not be how to date the population, but how the population will use its resources.

              Sorry, did you have a lot of resources after August 1998? Now accumulations (who has) are depreciating, what resources?
              1. Freemason
                Freemason April 11 2014 16: 10
                +2
                Quote: Farmason
                + make sure that someone profited from this ...


                I apologize for the typo, I had in mind + make sure that someone does NOT profited on this ...
                And as for the resources ... Donetsk takes 2nd place in the region in terms of industrial production and 1st place in terms of growth. Together with the city Makeevka - was the largest industrial hub of Ukraine. A characteristic feature of the economic complex of Donetsk is the diversified specialization of industry. Almost all sectors of the national economy are represented in the industry, metallurgy (both ferrous and non-ferrous), coal, chemical coke and chemical industries, and heavy engineering. In recent years, light, food, woodworking industries and mechanical engineering have also been developing.
                The bases are all there and laid, nothing needs to be built from scratch.
                The economic potential of the city is represented by 193 industrial enterprises, 383 construction organizations, 1550 consumer services facilities, more than 13 thousand small and medium-sized enterprises.
                What else is needed? There are a lot of people, there is a demand for production, marketing both the domestic market and the external one.
                Why is the West so stubbornly yanking the junta? because it’s not profitable for Russia to be on the world market. There Belarusians produce excellent products both tastier and cheaper than Western ones. And their level of textiles. So here the question is not about territories. Here the economic strategy for many years to come. hi
          2. RUSS
            RUSS April 11 2014 14: 01
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, this is a slogan and nothing more. The Olympics are 50 billion bucks, but 20 million citizens


            Perhaps the slogan, but it is not out of nowhere, do not forget that the South-East of Ukraine are donor regions and with a competent approach, management and leadership, these regions will "painlessly" flow into Russia and remain donors already in Russia in 2 or 3 years ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 15: 17
              0
              Quote: RUSS
              -these regions will "painlessly" flow into Russia and remain donors in Russia already in 2 or 3 years.

              It willn’t be painless, we saw the same hospitals in the Crimea, everything needs to be changed. The same thing in these areas, investing tens of billions, if not hundreds. Crimean medicine alone costs 5 trillion rubles. Calculate the money hi We do not print them, unlike the United States.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS April 11 2014 15: 54
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                It willn’t be painless, we saw the same hospitals in the Crimea, everything needs to be changed. The same thing in these areas, investing tens of billions, if not hundreds. Crimean medicine alone costs 5 trillion rubles. Count the money. We don’t print them, unlike USA.


                And who is easy now? Survive!
              2. Freemason
                Freemason April 11 2014 16: 23
                +3
                So what ? The work has already begun. And God willing will not be cast. It all depends on who controls this business. He was on a business trip to the Crimea, most recently, he saw military units (specific work). Reorganization and changes of household units have already begun. And here it all depends on the artist. If the mind does what is set in the tasks, then they will revive the former glory of V.S. This is an example. It would be a desire.
                I do not want the USSR, but I want the quality that was then. And the most important thing then was the IDEA. General, one for all, until it was pissed off (sorry) by some figures to the delight of the west.
                Now the IDEA is coming back, everyone understands it in his own way, but everyone feels it.
              3. ATATA
                ATATA April 11 2014 16: 27
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Crimea alone in medicine at 5 trillion rubles.

                C'mon at 2,3 Lyama residents of the Crimea?
                Is it 2,2 lyama per person?
                Where do these numbers come from ???
          3. I read the news
            I read the news April 11 2014 14: 07
            +9
            I would have thrown myself off.
          4. Good cat
            Good cat April 11 2014 14: 24
            +11
            20 million. Citizens that they are all disabled. They themselves whom you want to feed
          5. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish April 11 2014 14: 33
            -4
            I agree with Alexander, the budget is non-rubber!
            1. RUSS
              RUSS April 11 2014 14: 43
              +11
              Quote: Kibalchish
              I agree with Alexander, the budget is non-rubber!


              People themselves ask us, when this still happens, you need to take home Russian-speaking regions, it is clear as a white day Ukraine is bursting at the seams and federalization is a fiction and does not solve the problem of the existence of Ukraine as a whole, well, Lviv and Donetsk will not be able to live in "the same house. ".
            2. BIGLESHIY
              BIGLESHIY April 11 2014 15: 26
              +6
              Quote: Kibalchish
              I agree with Alexander, the budget is non-rubber!

              We feed the Caucasus and pull nothing, but these regions do not forget to feed almost the whole of Ukraine, so we must pull it!
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        3. VPO
          VPO April 11 2014 13: 26
          -34%
          It already begins to seem to me that this is such a strategy of Amer. Burden us with regions and pump out all reserves, and then finish off with sanctions or lowering oil prices. We do not need these regions.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA April 11 2014 13: 40
            +14
            Quote: malware
            We do not need these regions.

            I wonder how you would reason if you yourself lived in "these regions"?
            1. TAMERLAN 7
              TAMERLAN 7 April 11 2014 15: 58
              +4
              Quote: ATATA
              I wonder how you would reason if you yourself lived in "these regions"?
              And if not in these, but in the West? For example, I envy even those who live in southeast Ukraine!
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 11 2014 13: 49
            +11
            Quote: malware
            We do not need these regions.

            if you do not include it in the Russian Federation, it means achieving autonomy and the fact that Kiev could not even blow in their direction without Moscow’s consent.
            but they just don’t need to say so, they said it 23 years ago, and 20 million Russians became acceptors
            1. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx April 11 2014 14: 41
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              if you do not include it in the Russian Federation, it means achieving autonomy and the fact that Kiev could not even blow in their direction without Moscow’s consent.

              I agree. Today, taking into account all the realities, the most pragmatic would be federalization with maximum autonomy, non-aligned status, or, even better, an independent republic. Further, pulling up the economy of this republic (these regions in the event of federalization) for 2-3 years to an acceptable level, followed by a soft infusion into the Russian Federation. Of course, there are many "buts" here, it will be necessary to ensure the security of the region from everyone else, but I do not see any other way, with all my desire to unite with the South-East, "Bolivar cannot bear two" we cannot financially pull.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 11 2014 16: 49
                +1
                Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                Today, considering all the realities, the most pragmatic would be federalization with maximum autonomy, non-aligned status, or even better, an independent republic.

                I think that this has already been explained to the leadership of the resistance, their rhetoric has changed the last day, they themselves push more towards federalization
            2. podpolkovnik
              podpolkovnik April 11 2014 16: 53
              +1
              Instead of the globe of Ukraine, contour maps of this country began to be sold. The slogan on the cover is "Paint it yourself!" ....
          3. jktu66
            jktu66 April 11 2014 13: 59
            +17
            And you did not think that the accession of regions + sanctions can give the economy a real impetus to growth?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS April 11 2014 14: 20
              +6
              Quote: jktu66
              And you did not think that the accession of regions + sanctions can give the economy a real impetus to growth?


              By the way, there is growth, they began to buy more Russian-made goods.
            2. Maximxnumx
              Maximxnumx April 11 2014 15: 10
              +2
              it's about like a humanitarian disaster somewhere in the world. America sending humanitarian aid spurs its own producer. That is, spending seemingly empty develops its own economy. For us, some kind of isolation can become such a spur. Otherwise, little is done in Russia, without shaking
          4. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre April 11 2014 14: 27
            +6
            We do not need these regions.
            You - no, to us - yes.
            1. Voenruk
              Voenruk April 11 2014 15: 19
              +3
              I agree! Needed! This is how many new Russians, and their own Slavs. Plants, enterprises, territory, arable land - black soil. "We do not need someone else's, but we will take our own, no matter who it is") We need to raise the agricultural urgently! Build greenhouses, restore abandoned fields, make the profession of a worker, an engineer honorable.
        4. Sma11
          Sma11 April 11 2014 13: 31
          +19
          Joining Russia is a huge burden on our budget, pensions, salaries, re-equipment and construction of hospitals, stadiums, roads and everything else.

          We'll have to pull it out, it’s just necessary, we pulled out the Olympics, but what about throwing our own?

          For some reason, all commentators represent Ukraine as poor and wretched. A human resource, and taxes, and capacity. Strangely, it is not a "banana" republic.
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        7. Ruswolf
          Ruswolf April 11 2014 14: 12
          0
          RUSS
          We'll have to pull it out, it’s just necessary, we pulled out the Olympics, but what about throwing our own?

          Maksim!
          They pulled out the Olympics, there were no sanctions and there was no Crimea!
          Alexander rather meant it. Again, assistance can be provided to an independent state. And of course, no one is going to drop anyone.
          The conversation is that in addition to beautiful slogans, there is also reality, and the situation now is really very difficult!
          1. RUSS
            RUSS April 11 2014 14: 25
            +6
            Quote: Ruswolf
            Maksim!
            They pulled out the Olympics, there were no sanctions and there was no Crimea!
            Alexander probably meant it


            In the coming years, they are going to make a donor region out of subsidized Crimea in spite of the sanctions, I will repeat the southeast and will be able to "feed" itself, if the question of joining Russia is answered at the referendum, it is necessary to reunite, there may not be a second chance ...

            Quote: Ruswolf
            really really not easy!


            And when was she simple? And when will it be?
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        9. Docent1984
          Docent1984 April 11 2014 16: 17
          +3
          In the end, the Olympics paid off and even brought three kopecks of profit. Economically, it is possible to raise Donbass to a normal level in about 5-7 years. All this time it is necessary to pump in a lot of money. But this money is there. There are reserve and stabilization funds. They will definitely be enough. And why not "the very case"? Well, there is nothing to say about the political and geopolitical components)
      2. Arhj
        Arhj April 11 2014 13: 05
        +7
        I fully support. The option of an independent state under the protectorate of Russia would be preferable, but if they want to reunite with Russia we will be accepted.
        I'm worried about something else. Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkov - this is not all areas. And what is being done on the territory of the regions themselves? How do they want to hold a referendum if they control only the area around occupied buildings?
        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 11 2014 13: 26
          +2
          Quote: Arhj
          How do they want to hold a referendum if they control only the area around occupied buildings?

          Yes, the question is very interesting.
      3. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 11 2014 13: 06
        +9
        The separation of any part of Ukraine now, this is the NATO base in the western part tomorrow.
        I think of no creation of a new independent state in the plans for GDP. We need all of Ukraine, but I think we will see soon how it will come.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS April 11 2014 13: 17
          +8
          Quote: Little Muck
          We need all of Ukraine, but I think we will see soon how it will come.


          The former Ukraine is gone, Crimea is already our split continues.
        2. svetlomor
          svetlomor April 11 2014 13: 18
          +4
          The separation of any part of Ukraine now, this is the NATO base in the western part tomorrow.
          For the sake of this base, NATO will have to feed the western regions, do they need it ?!
          1. Little Muck
            Little Muck April 11 2014 13: 28
            +8
            Kosovars are being fed. And the base is already there.
            No illusions needed. Nobody is going to feed the entire population of the western part, only a corrupt leadership.
            And if the people die, they only need this.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 11 2014 13: 52
            +4
            Quote: svetlomor
            will have to feed

            and no one will feed, you need land and not people
        3. avt
          avt April 11 2014 13: 24
          +9
          Quote: Little Muck
          The separation of any part of Ukraine now, this is the NATO base in the western part tomorrow.

          Continuing the construction of a unitary, modern-day Banderlog state, this is the NATO base today. Moreover, even without missiles they will carry the Maidan to Bolotnaya, seeing the weakness of Russia. ALL of Ukraine, as a friendly, independent and neutral state, after the maydown of last year is a dangerous illusion!
          1. Tersky
            Tersky April 11 2014 13: 47
            +5
            Quote: avt
            Continuing the construction of a unitary, modern-day Banderlog state, this is the NATO base today. P

            Ukraine is a 100% fictional state, the matrix of which was created in the mass imagination of the crowd. And what we see in the current reality is an attempt to fit physical reality into an imaginary matrix. It is already quite possible to state that the attempt to create a Ukrainian statehood ended in failure. It is enough to analyze the Ukrainian historical phantom, born by ukroagitprop, to understand that the statehood of Ukraine is not viable, because the Ukrainian cultural core itself contains the gene of self-destruction. If the West succeeds in creating a "state" of Banderlogists, then a maximum of 1/10 of the territory of Ukraine is located in its western part, which, in fact, has never been Ukraine. The rest will have to decide on the future. The southeast is defined ... it remains to be central to think ..
        4. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 11 2014 13: 51
          0
          Quote: Little Muck
          The separation of any part of Ukraine now, this is the NATO base in the western part tomorrow.

          on the one hand, on the other hand, no, then it will either be necessary to recognize the incorporation of these regions into the Russian Federation as legal, but in general this power I think will tidy up one such trick, but the federalization of Ukraine may prevent this
          1. Little Muck
            Little Muck April 11 2014 14: 00
            +1
            I didn’t mean the indispensable entry into Russia. I think the decision will be more original, and thereby completely unexpected for the junta and its sponsors.
        5. Freemason
          Freemason April 11 2014 13: 52
          -1
          We don't need all of Ukraine! what a fig for us? Expand territories? too ambitious. In addition, do not forget about the west of Ukraine, what to do with those who live there and so fiercely "love" Russia? do you think they will disappear? or will they go to Europe? and who is waiting for them there ...
        6. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn April 11 2014 14: 38
          +1
          Here Little Muck needs to be shifted, the NATO base, while maintaining the power of the junta, is already guaranteed today (the constant presence of NATO soldiers, on maneuvers starting in May), and therefore only depriving Kiev of funds for feeding, and the southeast feeds the whole of Ukraine, help the fall of the lawless regime. As Paul Breg wrote, hunger is a wonderful medicine.
      4. Uncle
        Uncle April 11 2014 13: 12
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Kharkov, they won’t give up without a fight

        Stalemate situation. I really do not want to fight, but I have to. There is an option to help pro-Russian forces in Ukraine, but so far they are weak and unorganized. But if NATO is deployed in Ukraine, in general, the Cuban’s 3rd World War ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 13: 19
          -3
          Quote: Uncle

          Stalemate situation.

          I voted for Putin, so let him think how to solve the problem. I am just an ordinary citizen.
          1. Uncle
            Uncle April 11 2014 13: 33
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I voted for Putin, let him think

            It may happen that an ordinary citizen becomes just an ordinary, well, or a sergeant. smile I would not want to.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir April 11 2014 13: 53
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I voted for Putin, let him think

              shitty position
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 15: 06
              0
              Quote: Uncle
              I would not want to.

              Yes, only that you are all yelling at the site, as something happens, why Putin is silent, where is Putin. Because hypocrites, minus further hi
              1. Uncle
                Uncle April 11 2014 15: 23
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yes, only that you are all yelling at the site, as something happens, why Putin is silent, where is Putin. Because hypocrites, minus further

                This is you in vain, arguing minus. But I really would not want to fight. I, you see, a very happy person, I want to live another 40 years.
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          2. Corsair
            Corsair April 11 2014 13: 40
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I voted for Putin, so let him think how to solve the problem. I am just an ordinary citizen.
            Comfortable ... laughing
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            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 15: 08
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              Comfortable ...

              Same as you wink
          3. RUSS
            RUSS April 11 2014 15: 21
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I voted for Putin, so let him think how to solve the problem. I am just an ordinary citizen.


            We must think and decide, there was an elected president in Ukraine, and what did he decide? Brought and threw people? And the people in Crimea thought up and decided, and the southeast decides.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I am just an ordinary citizen.


            Let ordinary citizens of Russia respond to the referendum - they are ready to see as part of at least 3 new regions.
      5. ATATA
        ATATA April 11 2014 13: 15
        +4
        Hello Alexander. hi
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Kharkov, they won’t give up without a fight, there the military-industrial complex of Ukraine and giving it to Russia is to lose everything.

        So that's why they rushed there first of all to restore order.
        But we will see ..
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Donetsk and Lugansk, how many people live there? Joining Russia is a huge load on our

        I think the same about it, but the one who walks will take the road. You still have to do it.
        Of course, the whole SE will be hard to digest at a time, and so it will slip in parts.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Rather, the speech will indicate the creation of a new independent state with its own authorities.

        This is the same risky, most likely with the economy of a new independent state without the help of the Russian Federation (subsidies) it will be even worse than Ukraine, and there, it’s not far from hunger riots.
        Therefore, I think all the same, the integration of these areas in the Russian Federation and a slow but sure rise in the standard of living to the average Russian.
        Digest for 5 years.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 15: 11
          +1
          Quote: ATATA
          This is the same risky, most likely with the economy of a new independent state without the help of the Russian Federation (subsidies) it will be even worse than Ukraine, and there, it’s not far from hunger riots.

          At this stage, providing assistance is much easier than connecting everything at once. While Crimea has not yet been properly understood, we are just introducing legislation and everything else. And here are two more areas, it will be difficult to cleanly economically now. Although I am not deciding.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA April 11 2014 15: 59
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            At this stage, providing assistance is much easier than connecting everything at once. While Crimea has not yet been properly understood, we are just introducing legislation and everything else. And here are two more areas, it will be difficult to cleanly economically now. Although I am not deciding.

            laughing Alexander, I don’t decide the same (unfortunately laughing )!
            But to provide just help, this is not IMHO's solution.
            This help simply will not give the effect that is needed, and the patience of people there is not unlimited.
            Tighten, as if it were worse.
            If I were to decide (if I were a queen) laughing all of SE at the same time with Crimea would already be part of the Russian Federation, on the rights of the Ukrainian Autonomous Republic as part of the Russian Federation.
            And do not be afraid of sanctions, anyway they will not forgive us of Crimea.
            Seven troubles one answer.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 16: 04
              0
              Quote: ATATA
              And do not be afraid of sanctions, anyway they will not forgive us of Crimea.

              Yes, I’m not afraid of sanctions, I don’t give a damn about them. The only thing I’m not happy with is the fact that they didn’t put me on the list who are not allowed to enter the EU and the USA laughing
              Quote: ATATA
              Seven troubles one answer.

              Yes, it’s not so simple, we are planning, thinking, and Putin will do one thing as we do not expect request
              1. Corsair
                Corsair April 11 2014 21: 22
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                The only thing I’m not happy with is that they didn’t put me on the list of people who are not allowed to enter the EU and the USA
                And I displeased the fact that me INCLUDED to the list of persons to whom FORBIDDEN entry to Ukraine ...
          2. officer29
            officer29 April 11 2014 18: 22
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            At this stage, providing assistance is much easier than connecting everything at once.

            Everything is correct! Sane people in the Donetsk region understand that after the annexation of the Crimea to Russia, their ambitions for an infusion or connection should be tempered! Russia will not be able to pull that much at once, and if it does, it will only be at the expense of its citizens! We do not want to be shouted in reproach: "Stop feeding Donbass!" We Agree to deep federalization - this is the minimum! The maximum - after the economic recovery and the standard of living corresponding to the Russian - reunification with Russia!
      6. maks-101
        maks-101 April 11 2014 13: 30
        +2
        Rather, the speech will indicate the creation of a new independent state with its own authorities.
        following the example of South O. and Abkhazia with the support of Russia, and perhaps when, when all the problems are resolved, it will be possible to talk about joining.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS April 11 2014 16: 46
          +1
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          following the example of South O. and Abkhazia with the support of Russia, and perhaps when, when all the problems are resolved, it will be possible to talk about joining.


          But if present-day Ukraine is an artificial state, then the independent republic of the Southeast is a complete misunderstanding, either as a part of Russia or an interim Federation with subsequent accession to Russia.
        2. officer29
          officer29 April 11 2014 18: 29
          0
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          following the example of Yu.O and Abkhazia

          Well, that's a bad example! On it, non-Europeans recoup, predicting a similar fate to the Crimea! Like, they occupied it, they torn Ghruzia from the rye Nenko and left them to their fate! Oh, how happy Ghruzia lives well and democratically!
      7. pv1005
        pv1005 April 11 2014 13: 31
        +7
        It used to be pulled along with the Middle East, Indochina, Latin America and Africa.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS April 11 2014 16: 48
          0
          Quote: pv1005
          It used to be pulled along with the Middle East, Indochina, Latin America and Africa.


          And now we subsidize the same Belarus and Ukraine with their gas discounts.
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      9. Zamachus
        Zamachus April 11 2014 13: 40
        -1
        for almost the same answer in the next article I was completely blown away; people don’t understand that we don’t immediately pull so much to our budget
      10. Freemason
        Freemason April 11 2014 13: 44
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Joining Russia is a huge burden on our budget, pensions, salaries, re-equipment and construction of hospitals, stadiums, roads and other things and everything. The question is, do we extend it ??? Rather, it will witness the creation of a new independent state with its own authorities.

        Pull it out. Moreover, in both cases, either in full force or as a subject of the federation. The main thing is to ensure the security of the region. This is a strategic area of ​​the economy. Industry and energy - resources. Five years. And the return will cover all costs.
        In the USSR, they didn’t pull it out like that, and 90 was difficult and we live nothing. The main thing is to ensure safety at the initial stage.
      11. Igor62
        Igor62 April 11 2014 14: 18
        +4
        For 20 years we have been pulling the whole of Ukraine and haven’t overtaken.
      12. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre April 11 2014 14: 25
        +4
        and pull?
        The devastation of 1945-1950 was extended. We’ll also pull it out
        1. RUSS
          RUSS April 11 2014 16: 50
          +1
          Quote: abrakadabre
          The devastation of 1945-1950 was extended. We’ll also pull it out


          And we got out of the "pit" of the 90s.
      13. GradusHuK
        GradusHuK April 11 2014 14: 45
        +2
        And who said that it will be easy. Anyway now or in the future ALL THIS IS RUSSIA.
      14. Horst78
        Horst78 April 11 2014 16: 18
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Joining Russia is huge load on our budget,pensions, salaries,re-equipment and construction of hospitals, stadiums, roads and other everything and everything. Question, but we will extend ???
        After May 9, 1945 2/3 of the country (by population and industry) were in ruin. Question: our ancestors, what did not stretch? Maybe you just need to work, not scratch your liberal language. I hope the forum users will understand me correctly. hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 16: 27
          0
          Quote: Horst78
          Question: our ancestors, what did not stretch?

          Then the economy was different, although the problems were higher than the roof. Now we are more vulnerable and that is why our own payment system and the transition of the economy to the domestic sector are now being created. Let's see how it will break its spears.
          Quote: Horst78
          Maybe you just need to work, not scratch your liberal language.

          If this is for me, then about the liberal smiled laughing
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 April 11 2014 16: 52
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            If this is for me, then about the liberal smiled laughing

            This is about the Kudrins and Co. hi
          2. officer29
            officer29 April 11 2014 18: 52
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Then the economy was different, although the problems were higher than the roof.

            That's it! First of all, heavy industry was restored! And the rest was in a big corral ... Do you agree to buy food on coupons and cut off a coat instead of a bonus? Hardly! recourse It is not worth hoping that the market will resolve everything! A clear example of this Belarus! There are populations in three regions of the East of Ukraine! And a very tough guide! After the last election, the business moaned! I have a classmate there and classmates live. Now already accustomed to everything has returned to normal! Do you agree to such measures ?, after all our all-Russian mess, to voluntarily lie under the press of innovations? request
            1. ATATA
              ATATA April 11 2014 19: 00
              +2
              Quote: officer29
              Do you agree to such measures ?, after all our all-Russian mess, to voluntarily lie under the press of innovations?

              Not the first time
            2. Horst78
              Horst78 April 12 2014 02: 10
              0
              I don’t even know how to answer what maybe as I said
              After May 9, 1945 2/3 of the country (by population and industry) were in ruin. Question: our ancestors, what did not stretch? Maybe you just need to work, not scratch your liberal language. I hope the forum users will understand me correctly. hi
              Do you know what TALONS are? I in the USSR as a child knew. Unpleasant, yes. Toothpaste for parents saved. Because already at the age of 12 I understood that I NEED TO CONTINUE.
      15. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 11 2014 16: 50
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Donetsk and Lugansk, how many people live there? Joining Russia is a huge burden on our budget

        Well, if they don’t transfer taxes to Kiev, then there will definitely be enough for salaries and pensions.
        And roads, modern hospitals, and especially stadiums (which are excellent in Donetsk itself) is a matter of gain.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 11 2014 16: 57
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          Donetsk and Lugansk, how many people live there? Joining Russia is a huge burden on our budget

          Donetsk region - 4 356 392 people
          Lugansk - 1 million 837 thousand people.
          how many gaster annually goes to give birth to us, sell drugs, take out loot? !!!
      16. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul April 11 2014 16: 54
        +2
        Joining Russia is a huge burden on our budget, pensions, salaries, re-equipment and construction of hospitals, stadiums, roads and other things and everything. The question is, do we extend it ???
        If we take Russian corrupt officials properly, we’ll not only extend the southeast, but also all the republics of the former USSR. hi
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    3. Apostle
      Apostle April 11 2014 14: 32
      +2
      If Kharkiv enterprises were launched at least half the capacity, then he himself would have pulled out the Ukrainian budget !!!
    4. Ross
      Ross April 11 2014 18: 35
      0
      avt (4)

      Yaytsenyukh with oligarchy has already begun to include the rear in Donetsk. laughing Oh how they scared their GDP with gas yesterday — they were immediately blown away. The main thing is that people don’t get on the idle talk and stand their ground!

      GDP frightened their "roof" - the US and the EU! So they backpedaled, although they themselves hardly understood with their intelligence ... But the State Department reacted instantly! laughing
    5. Turkir
      Turkir April 11 2014 20: 34
      0
      Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk should set the conditions for Yaytsenyuhu.
      Let them release all the arrested guys. Gubarev to return.
      And then we'll see ..
      referendum results
  2. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov April 11 2014 12: 51
    +9
    Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkiv-ridge of Ukraine, their separation, the country's quick death!
    1. GDP
      GDP April 11 2014 13: 00
      +1
      Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkiv-ridge of Ukraine, their separation, the country's quick death!

      This is so, but Dnipropetrovsk is still silent, if there were any protest movements there, they were strangled and the junta controls this region completely, at least until the economic crisis drives the inhabitants into a corner ...
  3. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe April 11 2014 12: 51
    +2
    Let's put things in order, and then we will act with tips.
  4. RUSS
    RUSS April 11 2014 12: 52
    +5
    Kharkiv, Lugansk and Donetsk oblasts can unite into the "Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic" and, with great autonomy rights, become part of Russia with the Russian and UKRAINIAN state languages.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks April 11 2014 13: 04
      +6
      Quote: RUSS
      and UKRAINIAN state language


      the Ukrainian language will never become a state language, the South-East of this city is so full that in 5-10, the mova will become the property of the ethnographic museum, along with embroidery and bandura.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS April 11 2014 13: 10
        +2
        Quote: seller trucks
        the Ukrainian language will never become a state language, the South-East of this language is so


        And why are they worse than Crimea, where there are Ukrainian, Russian and Crimean Tatar state languages.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks April 11 2014 13: 18
          +6
          the question of "death" of MOV in Crimea for 2-3 years, but it will be on paper, perhaps in some secondary schools (which I personally doubt) it will be studied, there was a STRONG Ukrainization, but as in Russia they say: "You will not be cute ", the same is true in the South-West of Little Russia, Mova is a stillborn child. By the way, I propose to exclude the phrase "southeastern Ukraine" from circulation, and say Little Russia.

          question, in the carriers of the language, it is not.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS April 11 2014 14: 27
            +3
            Quote: seller trucks
            By the way, I propose to exclude from circulation the phrase "southeastern Ukraine", and speak Little Russia.


            Absolutely agree.
          2. Uncle
            Uncle April 11 2014 15: 49
            0
            Quote: seller trucks
            the question of "death" MOV in Crimea 2-3 years

            You seem to have published a list of some "Russian" words in MOV? It's funny to read, of course, but most of them were borrowed from foreign languages. What we consider to be Russian is not, and it is good that at least someone is struggling with borrowing. I like the position of the hero "In the first circle" Khorobrov, if not confusing, who tried not to use borrowings and to use only Russian words.
          3. ermolai
            ermolai April 11 2014 16: 32
            0
            I would suggest, Novorossia, or Little Russia as a humiliation or Tauride or something
        2. upasika1918
          upasika1918 April 11 2014 13: 23
          +3
          You can declare, but everyone will learn Russian. But no one except the Tatars will learn Tatar. There was no state language in the USSR, but everyone taught Russian, and 99% simply did not know about Dargin.
    2. Sid.74
      Sid.74 April 11 2014 13: 05
      +17
      News from Lugansk!
      All cities of the region come together. (who is - Cossacks Don. The guys from Zaporozhye arrived last night, 400 km, passed 10 roadblocks. There is definitely a Red Ray. Anthracite, Perevalsk, Crimea. Miners began to catch up. Well, of course, Alchevsk (Alchevsk is best represented.)

      Inside the guys with full knowledge of the case, a sniper. Firing points, all as expected. The atmosphere is very friendly. .Baricades strengthened in two rows, For withdrawal in case of stripping. Everything is thought out for an adult (for armored personnel carriers there is a serious supply of fuel, everything is dispersed around the perimeter (a reserve for all the remaining equipment in UKRAINE)

      Negotiations are in progress (everything is fine) Yesterday was Lyazhko-in Point. If he managed to carry away his legs. Tigipko tonight (The guys had to save him, he ran faster than the wind blows. They escorted to the hotel, otherwise they would have broken a heating pad like an ace. In short, everything is fine.

      There are a lot of women and children in the square. old people, and of course real men. Everyone needs both women and men (enough to sit on the train, you need not to reason, but just come and understand everything yourself. If someone is afraid of the assault, you should not be a coward, and besides, the assault will not be at 99%. Too all Seriously)

      Everyone laughs from Ukro-News. A complete nonsense. Hostages - Duck (they just aren't needed).

      The tracks are free for one very simple reason - there was direct communication with the cops. All our regional officers are with us. At the posts, they are businesslike with a smile, pretending that they are not allowed in or are checking. At the same time, everyone is very friendly. They clearly assured that in the event of a forceful decision, they themselves would pull themselves up to the SBU from all over the region. With your weapon. Traffic cops themselves often shout "RUSSIA!" from cars at the sight of the Russian flag.

      There are guys from different divisions in the SBU: Berkut, Sokol, Airborne Forces, Afghans, Pensioners of other structures. Crimeans are expected in the area of ​​1000 people (already traveling).
      1. Tersky
        Tersky April 11 2014 13: 24
        +5
        Quote: Sid.74
        All cities of the region come together. (who is - Cossacks Don. The guys from Zaporozhye arrived last night, 400 km, passed 10 roadblocks. There is definitely a Red Ray. Anthracite, Perevalsk, Crimea. Miners began to catch up. Well, of course, Alchevsk (Alchevsk is best represented.)

        Good news. If this is the case in other cities in the south-east of Ukraine, then the people will push the junta to the fullest.
      2. ATATA
        ATATA April 11 2014 13: 36
        +5
        Thanks for the information Eugene!
        Just a balm for the soul. good
      3. Afinogen
        Afinogen April 11 2014 13: 59
        +3
        Quote: Sid.74
        News from Lugansk!
        All cities of the region come together. (who is - Cossacks Don. The guys from Zaporozhye arrived last night, 400 km, passed 10 roadblocks. There is definitely a Red Ray. Anthracite, Perevalsk, Crimea. Miners began to catch up. Well, of course, Alchevsk (Alchevsk is best represented.)


        Fine. We need to help the guys if it is difficult. GDP should not pay attention to what European and American mongrel think or push there.
  5. Unknown
    Unknown April 11 2014 12: 53
    +6
    Ukrainians demolish the monuments to the one who created them.
  6. shibi
    shibi April 11 2014 12: 54
    +1

    Good item.
    We must take it.
  7. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 April 11 2014 13: 03
    +5
    Join, join, and still join! After all, historically gravitating territories and nationalities are known! And let the rest ripen!
    1. zao74
      zao74 April 11 2014 13: 26
      +3
      I completely agree. No one, being in their right mind, will refuse to join the territory, no matter how much economic difficulties (and short-term ones) this threatens.
  8. Sochi
    Sochi April 11 2014 13: 05
    -1
    Lord, even without separation, all this, by agreement with the EU, will die.
  9. Chifka
    Chifka April 11 2014 13: 06
    0
    Separated regions can support the remaining ones by arranging the production and supply of stoves, kerogazes and stove stoves.
  10. Eugene
    Eugene April 11 2014 13: 08
    +14
    appeal of citizens. all in the case and without tantrums.
  11. Elena54
    Elena54 April 11 2014 13: 10
    +5
    I still wanted to solve the world without sacrifices.
    1. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs April 11 2014 14: 16
      +2
      I support. Donbass will not be able to separate in the form in which it is now. There will be either a civil war, which will destroy everything, or a Russian-Russian war (pah-pah), which will also be there (well, I don’t believe that the Maidan people are really children, that they’ll give a quarter of the country without giving a hoot as they gave Crimea, while remaining at the trough). And then potooom, these ruins can be taken away, so the article is somewhat misinformed. The ideal would be the absence of violence in Donetsk in general. Maintaining the status quo, so to speak. Standing up. Russia must restrain the junta as long as possible from the shooting. Time is working for us now. The longer we live in a relative world, the more likely it is that the junta will burst under our economic measures and its idiotic actions.
      Meanwhile, the hryvnia to the dollar is already 13,50 (and when there was a bad Yanyk, then 5, if in cho) ...
  12. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 11 2014 13: 20
    +8
    Quote: Little Muck
    The separation of any part of Ukraine now, this is the NATO base in the western part tomorrow.
    I think of no creation of a new independent state in the plans for GDP. We need all of Ukraine, but I think we will see soon how it will come.
    You can’t allow NATO, then we won’t smoke from there, you probably have to wait a bit, but then take the whole cashier ...
    1. kmike
      kmike April 11 2014 14: 10
      0
      I also think so. The federalization law (this will keep the country from NATO) is a year, two patience and the whole Ukraine in a friendly formation under some Soviet march towards Russia. And Galiziya can march to the EU under the fascist Lore, Lore, Lore (naturally with neutrality status).
  13. alikalik
    alikalik April 11 2014 13: 28
    +1
    Yes, no one can understand these eggheads. The southeast is blazing fire, and they are trying to put out kerosene. They survived to the point that there is no authoritative figure who could go out to the people of Yu-V and at least try to clear the situation. And these Kiev figures all screwed up now even yard dogs do not want to have anything with them.
  14. muhomor
    muhomor April 11 2014 13: 29
    -8
    So far, the whole republic of Donetsk is a pitchfork on the water. Now the junta will come, they’ll blow into your ears!
  15. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 11 2014 13: 30
    +3
    The situation is "ripening", everything would be resolved as soon as possible, preferably without blood! Wait and catch up - no worse!
  16. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov April 11 2014 13: 30
    +2
    The return on these regions will be very strong, the funds that we invest in them will pay off with a very large return.
  17. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe April 11 2014 13: 37
    -3
    To whom is the return, we owe someone profit?
  18. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 11 2014 13: 42
    +7
    The east of Ukraine must be annexed to Russia unequivocally. And there are all prerequisites for this. Which way - this is according to the situation. Best in a peaceful way. And then make sure that the Kiev elite themselves maydanutsya and decided.
  19. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 11 2014 13: 43
    +4
    For gas, Putin said to Europe, well, let Europe now say to Ukraine and say for federalization .. And there ...
    as in the fairy tale "The Night Before Christmas" .. Today Oksana will be ours! ...
  20. ZU-23
    ZU-23 April 11 2014 13: 49
    +2
    Fortunately, at least such garny regions as Crimea and Donetsk turned out to be Russian or Russified as anyone wants.
  21. GOGY
    GOGY April 11 2014 13: 51
    +2
    Quote: Eugene
    appeal of citizens. all in the case and without tantrums.

    What are smart and kind faces. Well done! I am proud of you, compatriots! Thank you, Eugene and +
  22. explorer
    explorer April 11 2014 13: 53
    -1
    Come on, immediately attach.
    There is still a temporary option for joining the Union State of Russia-Belarus-SEFUR.
  23. Simple
    Simple April 11 2014 13: 57
    +1
    Quote: from article
    The energy intensity of Southeast industry is four times that of the EU


    For comparison: for German enterprises, the price of gas is three times, and the price of electricity is two times higher than the same figure in the United States.
  24. 23424636
    23424636 April 11 2014 14: 09
    +4
    the article is weak and based on dubious data. Where do the open-hearth furnaces work? As for budget subsidies, you need to look who has been in power in recent years and what was built in Donetsk! Donbass is not weaker than any region of Russia, and if we compare the analogues of NKMZ enterprises abruptly than Uralmash, the Mariupol iron and steel works are no worse than Severstal, the question is who they belong to and what the people have from it. We have hard workers for 2 thousand hryvnias plow, and in Russia for 8 thousand rubles a janitor for The broomstick won’t work according to the plan of devastation in the Donbass, specifically Konstantinovka is completely destroyed, Gorlovka is in the same position, Mariupol belongs to Metinvest Akhmetova and ISD Taruta, Slavyansk without perspective, Kramatorsk is still moving, and the mining towns of Detroit are black. new skyscrapers with dead eye sockets. One joy - the Russian language that they want to take from us.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle April 11 2014 15: 12
      0
      Quote: 23424636
      Where do open-hearth furnaces work?

      It seemed to me that Martin was a relic of the past, like a cupola.
    2. ermolai
      ermolai April 11 2014 16: 50
      0
      and the hryvnia exchange rate to rubles? like it turns out you get 10 thousand rubles.
  25. mabuta
    mabuta April 11 2014 14: 10
    +9
    We need or do not need regions of the southwest, the dispute is strange. Firstly, we have huge potential in the Far East, and there is no one to harness (even on a rotational basis). Secondly, the southwest will die, and people feel sorry for them. They believe us. , and we should not throw them.
  26. Strashila
    Strashila April 11 2014 14: 13
    +1
    Everything that happens in the South-East of Ukraine has only one focus ... to achieve the entry of NATO troops into the territory and transfer all industrial enterprises to Western companies.
    How to do this ... it is necessary to create conditions under which NATO, at the request of the EU, will itself enter the territory of Ukraine.
    The first stage ... refusal to pay for gas consumed, as a result of a decrease in supplies from Russia ... Ukraine is just starting to steal gas ... Western countries, screeching and snot, Russia’s accusations of all troubles are suffering.
    The second stage ... the outbreak of civil war, given that the GTS system passes and diversion takes place in the eastern territories and the West is completely deprived of gas supplies ... screeching and snot, accusing Russia of all ills.
    The third stage ... the introduction of troops to save the carcasses of Western civilization from freezing, the seizure of hydraulic structures and nuclear power plants under the slogan of ensuring energy security.
    Having gained control of the energy ... seizure of enterprises.
    Ukraine repeats the fate of Poland in 1939.
    Russia will send troops and take control of the necessary territories ... NATO, understanding this, will not go into it itself, but will do it competently and in a timely manner, like 1939.
  27. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin April 11 2014 14: 14
    +2
    The junta would turn on the brains in time, and not listen to an overseas uncle. The "uncle" has his own interests and not in favor of the Ukrainians. The junta persistently chop off the branch on which they are sitting, thereby pushing for an increase in resistance. The lesson of the Crimea did not teach them anything. The same is in store for the eastern regions, and there the south is not far off. The process of reunification of the Russians has begun.
    If these three regions follow the path of Crimea, then the rest of Ukraine will not be sweet. “In the case of separation of these regions, Ukraine loses a powerful industrial cluster and important raw material bases.

    And the EU and the US do not need the "remnant" (I beg your pardon the Ukrainians for such a comparison). They care about the regions that want to secede (along with Crimea). There is not only a strategic interest here, but also to get rich regions. But the main thing is the fulfillment of the "centuries-old dream" of the Anglo-Saxons in weakening Russia. Here, too, the Caucasus is close and the opportunity to establish closer military bases and it is easier to supply and instruct their "agents of influence" (the fifth column). It worked in Ukraine, why won't it work in Russia. That is why they raised a squeal to the entire West against Russia, and if we did anything, then hysteria would rise to cosmic proportions. But the deed is done, and with the filing of the Anglo-Saxons: "screech, do not squeal, but the Russians are uniting" (The ghost of the new Union of Slavs not only wanders, but already comes)
  28. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 11 2014 14: 22
    +3
    Southeast and East just need to be separated from the WestEnts !!! This will be the real Ukraine !!!
  29. Tavrica
    Tavrica April 11 2014 14: 31
    +5
    Sorry for the offtopic, I’ve lived all my life in the Crimea, until recently Ukraine, as an ardent football fan, I was a fan of Shakhtar Donetsk, now I’ve lost the opportunity to support and cheer for my favorite team. I see only one way out ... to include the Miner in the Russian championship together with the Donetsk region.) Moreover, the team, like the region, is financially self-sufficient.

    PS To control) We are multiple champions of Ukraine, and would become champions of Russia in the first year. smile
  30. vass
    vass April 11 2014 14: 35
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    Kind of weird. The whole nation has grief, but someone "offers" the oligarchs to fuck with this. Our people do not need potential and it is blasphemy to talk about it. Moreover, the people will not get anything. I am ready for anything for my own people, but not for someone to become richer. let them go. Compensate for their suffering for losses from sanctions. It is better to raise the regions of Russia neighboring Ukraine. By the way, is not the mine of our Donbas depicted in the picture? After all, the new owners also put the entire coal industry there.
  31. tnship2
    tnship2 April 11 2014 14: 50
    +2
    It’s necessary to join the Donbass Republic to Russia as soon as possible! There, Euro-integrators will not leave stone unturned. Why are they competitors? They’ll pump all the oil out of oil pipelines. This is just the beginning. Local businessmen will simply be confronted with the fait accompli that industry is unnecessary, it’s unprofitable, European it's good.
  32. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 11 2014 15: 08
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    "The open-hearth furnaces are standing ..." This has been the case since the times of the USSR because! Cockles need to bow down to Russia for such an inheritance. No thanks!
  33. Cristall
    Cristall April 11 2014 15: 36
    +2
    Well, how can I say .. Industry, yes, there - integrated with the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation and others, there too (although there is still a part in Kiev, the Dnieper and Zaporozhye)
    AIC (2 nurse of the region) Poltava and Volyn.
    Does it make sense to compare the benefits / disadvantages?
    Stalin, for example, did not think at all about the economic benefits of the memory when it was necessary. Ri didn’t think either - adding Wild Field.
    Although it is not up to us to decide.
  34. Che Guevara
    Che Guevara April 11 2014 15: 48
    +2
    Quote: alicante11
    The question is not in the throw, but in the fact that the load is too high and it needs to be diversified. If you invest only in social networks and infrastructure, then it will not pay off and the regions will hang on Russia as economic recipients, but we have enough of ours. Therefore, you must first invest in the modernization of industry, and then raise the social programs when the initial investments begin to pay off. It is impossible to do this within one state. So, at least federalization is legally (and in fact a confederation), and at the maximum, an independent Little Russia similar to Belarus. The main thing here is to find a second father, or the first to ask for the region to take. Although this is also not an ice option.

    Damn, to a peasant that it’s nonsense to write, any economist of YOU will say that the most valuable resource is people, not oil and equipment. This was said by Deming in 1954. creator of the Japanese economy. well, take South Korea as an example of the value of human resources.
  35. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich April 11 2014 15: 58
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Donetsk, Kharkov and Lugansk will prefer the Crimean scenario. But joining Russia will help bring the industrial potential of Donbass to a whole new level,
    Without reading the article -
    Kharkov, they won’t give up without a fight, there the military-industrial complex of Ukraine and giving it to Russia is to lose everything.
    Donetsk and Lugansk, how many people live there? Joining Russia is a huge burden on our budget, pensions, salaries, re-equipment and construction of hospitals, stadiums, roads and other things and everything. The question is, do we extend it ??? Rather, the speech will indicate the creation of a new independent state with its own authorities.

    Tady needs to distribute everything that is there, the budget will generally be without loads. There is such an ancient Russian wisdom "You can't carry your load." And this is our, Russian land, Soviet.
  36. demotivator
    demotivator April 11 2014 15: 59
    0
    The economy of Ukraine is waiting for a collapse and a complete restructuring ...

    Failed statehood demonstrates its failure.
  37. Oml
    Oml April 11 2014 16: 24
    +1
    Why do southern countries live in poverty? Although tearing what hangs above you, you do not need to heat the furnace, yields 3 times a year. The simple answer is they don’t want to work, they want others to do it, and then take it from them. It looks like the west of Ukraine.
  38. goose
    goose April 11 2014 16: 37
    +1
    The only way out for Ukraine is to separate Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Vinnitsa from Ukraine into one autonomy, like Crimea + to conduct federalization like the United States.
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  40. Shakhtinec
    Shakhtinec April 11 2014 18: 02
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    Given that Ukraine is now in a pre-default state, and gas debts have already risen to $ 2,2 billion, the loss of lactating regions is a terrible blow. The Ukrainian economy will have to completely rebuild. Over time, the socio-economic situation, of course, should improve, but the path to this will be extremely thorny and long ...


    ... and they will live happily ever after!
  41. andrei72
    andrei72 April 11 2014 18: 52
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    No one will give Kharkiv, Lugansk and Donetsk "just like that", Yaytsenyuk (and s) will "come out of their skin", but will try to prevent these cities (and regions) from entering the Russian Federation. Most likely, even to create a federal structure in Ukraine, Russia will have to use all available opportunities and it is not known whether there will be enough forces to prevent the mattress toppers from starting another war ...
  42. ATATA
    ATATA April 11 2014 18: 56
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    Kharkiv.
    Golden eagle went over to the side of the people.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtDEseAAcuM#t=35
  43. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 12 2014 02: 38
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    Quote: Giant thought
    The east of Ukraine must be annexed to Russia unequivocally. And there are all prerequisites for this. Which way - this is according to the situation. Best in a peaceful way. And then make sure that the Kiev elite themselves maydanutsya and decided.

    That's right. They themselves gave birth and decided. It wasn’t for Russia to bite their hands on these waste products, but so far they are successfully killing the economy ...