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Operation Boomerang, or Putin’s Ultimatum

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9 April Russia put forward an ultimatum to the Ukrainian authorities, which they tried to overlook in Kiev. The meeting of the Russian government with the participation of Vladimir Putin was broadcast on Russian television in full, which is uncharacteristic of our northern neighbor. The essence of the ultimatum was as follows: prepayment in full for gas at the price of almost $ 500, preparation for import substitution of Ukrainian products and presentation of a bill to Kiev in the amount of $ 16,6 billion. And Vladimir Vladimirovich's key phrase: “Let's not switch to the advance payment for gas, I hope that during this time the temporary authority in Ukraine will not do anything irreparable. ”

Probably, everyone understood what it means, given the situation in the south-east of the country. Under the "irreparable actions" refers to the assault on the buildings of the Donetsk Regional Administration and the Lugansk Security Service, captured by the rebels on April 6. The Russian president has more than made it clear that immediate retaliation will follow, which, to put it mildly, will hurt the country's economy. Not a single dollar from the promised multibillion-dollar assistance from the EU and the USA came to Ukraine, the IMF completely excluded Kiev from its macroeconomic forecast, because in conditions of instability there is nothing to predict, and the Russian Federation continues to subsidize the Ukrainian economy. If, as promised. Minister of the Interior Arsen Avakov, during 48 hours “the problem of the eastern regions will be solved”, then the full economic beaver (or arctic fox) will come.

In principle, Putin’s message is more addressed to the United States than to the puppet regime in Kiev. The following algorithm for solving the problem is proposed: there will be no military invasion - this time. Secondly, the quadripartite negotiations on the future fate of the country in the format of "EU - USA - Russia - Ukraine" should begin. At the same time, Moscow insists that the southeast at the talks should be represented not by a temporary authority, but by real leaders of the protest movement. The purpose of the negotiations is to carry out a constitutional reform that provides for (at a minimum) the introduction of a federal form of government and the provision of state status for the Russian language.

Negotiations should begin next week, where it is not yet clear. The list of participants is also not defined. The State Department has already managed to sharply oppose the inclusion of “separatist leaders of the south-east” in the negotiation process. The temporary government in Ukraine pretends that everything is in order, the situation is under control, nothing happens at all, and the troops are put on an even greater alert. The well-known foreign ministry troll Yevgeny Perebey is incomprehensible that with a monstrous effort of will he restrained his traditionally stupid humor regarding the Russian Federation and squeezed something like the following through his oral opening: ".

That is, no informal leaders, only "heroes of Maidan." The PR faction in the Rada (it turns out it still exists) offered its services as “intermediaries of the southeast”. I quote: “The Party of Regions in 8 of the south-eastern regions of Ukraine has representation in local councils, as well as the largest faction in the Ukrainian parliament. Therefore, it has reason to propose as a negotiator Mikhail Dobkin, who won the primaries at the PR congress and is a candidate for the presidency from the Party of Regions. ” It is quite clear that the west of the country will not agree with this proposal, where the PR in general and Dobkin in particular are not even considered as people. The position of the Russian Federation on Dobkin is not clear.

Thus, in the next few days, we will have a powerful geopolitical drama. If events develop in a negative scenario, then something like this will happen. On the night from Thursday to Friday, cleaning of administrative buildings will begin in Donetsk and Lugansk. There will be victims. In response, the Russian Federation will lower the “iron curtain” on the border with Ukraine. Economic. Gas supply to Ukraine will stop. Kiev, as it was repeatedly during the premiership of Yulia Tymoshenko, will begin to stupidly steal transit “European gas”. A scandal will begin, because the resources of the alternative gas pipeline are not enough to meet the needs of the European Union. Naturally, the most painful war for energy will hit Ukraine. I even find it hard to imagine where the hryvnia will fall against the dollar. It is already ahead of the rise in air temperature. After the blood is shed, an uprising will begin in the southeast. Economic motives will be added to the political motives of the uprising. The enterprises of metallurgical and chemical complexes will stop. People will be on the street without any prospects. The election of the new president will finally lose any meaning, because finally everyone will know what the true price of Russian sales markets and Russian gas is.

Well, tell me, please, how long will the central government last in such conditions? The only relatively legitimate body of the state in these circumstances is the parliament. His work has been de facto blocked, as evidenced by the non-voting for Yulia Tymoshenko’s openly PR bills on the creation of an Anti-Corruption Bureau, lustration of government officials and the fight against corruption by recording conversations with officials of audio and video equipment. Communists, after the "Right Sector" set fire to their office in Kiev, refused to take part in the work of BP. "Regionals" too. Anyone there comes from the PR, who created two factions with idiotic names, waiting, fearing to get on the head (in the truest sense of the word).

Ukraine will become a zone of permanent instability. Returned boomerang, launched Maidan last year. Everything happens to the point of detail: the construction of barricades (much more accurate and massive), the seizure of administrative buildings, permanent protest actions, clashes with the police brought from the western regions, and the expectation of an assault. Only instead of the United States and the EU, which are openly pushing the militants of “euromaidan” to active actions and constantly warning the official authorities about the inadmissibility of military actions, - the ultimatum of the Russian Federation. Plus, there is an economic collapse. Under these conditions, the acting head of the Presidential Administration, Mr. Pashinsky, should immediately go fishing at the weekend. Other prominent representatives of the interim regime may follow his example. It is possible that the power of Kiev will try to pull time, promising some security guarantees to the rebels who seized the administrative building. However, this sop will not have any special significance. As long as federalism is equated with separatism, there will be no way out of a long and dark tunnel.
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  1. Chuck-norris
    Chuck-norris April 11 2014 09: 37
    +88
    Victory will be ours!
    1. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 11 2014 10: 16
      +16
      then there will come a full economic beaver (or arctic fox).

      There, both the arctic fox and the beaver have already died more than once.
      1. hommer
        hommer April 11 2014 10: 58
        +25
        Quote: Coffee_time
        There, both the arctic fox and the beaver have already died more than once.



        Guys, just don’t laugh too much - article from censor.ua


        Russian saboteur with missiles, detained by SBU, was going to arrange terror in the south of Ukraine

        "In the Chernihiv region, the SBU officers, in cooperation with the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine, detained a citizen of the Russian Federation" Ch "who tried to enter the territory of Ukraine and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on the Polotsk-Simferopol train to carry out sabotage missions," the message says.

        During the search, 5 mobile phones, 23 SIM cards, 17 signal missiles and 5 devices for launching these missiles, 2 military tickets of the Russian Armed Forces, 3 camera, 11 memory cards for a digital camera, call table were found at the detainee Source: http : //censor.net.ua/n280480

        The joke is that they are seriously commenting on the forum and cursing Russia
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 11: 08
          +19
          Quote: hommer
          During a personal search, the detainee found 5 mobile phones, 23 SIM cards, 17 signal missiles and 5 devices for launching these missiles, 2 military tickets of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, 3 cameras, 11 memory cards for a digital camera, a call table

          Why the certificate of a full-time saboteur of the FSB was not found. To search again, it should be there with Putin's personal signature laughing
          1. Patriot.ru.
            Patriot.ru. April 11 2014 11: 32
            +5
            Searched found the name of the agent Putin.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 April 11 2014 12: 22
              +2
              come on Vladimirovich .. the whole country is looking at you prove that we have gained the Leader of the nation! we can choose a president, there’s even a fuck on his neck,
              but the fact that when the Motherland is for you, you deserve it.
        2. voldmis
          voldmis April 11 2014 11: 29
          +9
          Guys, just don’t laugh too much - article from censor.ua

          Russian saboteur with missiles, detained by the SBU, was going to arrange terror in the south of Ukraine Source: http://censor.net.ua/n280480


          Ahaha !!! Just read it. Insanity grows stronger! The most interesting thing is that all adequate comments are classified as "spam". You can laugh until the evening ... wassat Here it is, the face of Ukrainian propaganda. Just fly away! laughing
          Thanks, hommer, had fun)))
          1. RPD
            RPD April 11 2014 12: 38
            0
            hike there pi pi Russian locked)))) here and bathe in their own shit and grunt with joy
        3. Belarus
          Belarus April 11 2014 12: 23
          0
          belay Well, they came in one word. Well they didn’t say that he was carrying a tank in his pocket wassat
        4. Freemason
          Freemason April 11 2014 12: 32
          +1
          Remember the classics? "Everything, everything was stolen! Everything that was acquired by back-breaking labor! - three imported tape recorders, three domestic silver cigarette cases, a suede jacket, three pieces!"
          even as they wrote a little small)) expected more. but thanks neighing at lunch))
        5. Combat279
          Combat279 April 11 2014 12: 35
          0
          Please link to this forum!
          1. Freemason
            Freemason April 11 2014 12: 55
            +2
            that's how it really was))))

            and the forum is immediately under the news http://censor.net.ua/n280480 I'm sitting at a dinner rye with collegues))
        6. GDP
          GDP April 11 2014 12: 49
          +1
          During the search, 5 mobile phones, 23 SIM cards, 17 signal missiles and 5 devices for launching these missiles, 2 military tickets of the Russian Armed Forces, 3 camera, 11 memory cards for a digital camera, call table were found at the detainee Source: http : //censor.net.ua/n280480

          I read it - neighing :) Nevertheless, the SBU does not all go smoothly ....
          Where is the certificate of the saboteur of Russia?
          Where is the photo with Putin?
          And finally, why he rode without a budenok and balalaika laughing
          1. inkass_98
            inkass_98 April 11 2014 13: 34
            +2
            Quote: GDP
            And finally, why he rode without a budenok and balalaika

            Just a parachute dangling from behind did not allow to attach a balalaika, therefore there was an accordion in a cover. And instead of the Budennovka, there was a headset through which encryption from the Center was received directly into the brain. laughing
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ April 11 2014 11: 06
        +5
        On April 9, Russia put forward an ultimatum to the temporary Ukrainian authorities, which they tried not to notice in Kiev ... (from the article)


        In Kiev, people gathered in power who did not understand anything and who did not give an account of their actions. D.E.B.I.L. one word.
        They probably think "The West will help us" and force Russia to continue supplying them with gas for free. Naive as children. In war, as in war. The gas will be cut off.
        For the time being, Nord Stream will work and Germany will receive gas if it does not pursue an anti-Russian policy. And let the rest wait, maybe they will grow wiser and begin to pursue an objective policy and stop applying double standards in relation to Russia.
        1. Yuri Sev Caucasus
          Yuri Sev Caucasus April 11 2014 11: 40
          +1
          When God wants to punish someone, he deprives him of Reason. Which applies to today's Ukraine as a whole.
        2. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. April 11 2014 11: 43
          0
          How to get together and disperse.
      3. vadson
        vadson April 11 2014 11: 17
        +1
        Quote: Coffee_time
        then there will come a full economic beaver (or arctic fox).

        There, both the arctic fox and the beaver have already died more than once.

        they’ve already switched to squirrels, since half a year already
      4. Ross
        Ross April 11 2014 12: 02
        +4
        In Lugansk, there was still an attempt to storm (http://anna-news.info/node/14969)
        "I managed to talk to the Luhansk activist Alexander ....
        - Yesterday we had information that there would be an assault on the Lugansk SBU ...
        - Yes, there was an assault - they didn’t miss it.
        -How did this happen?
        - Somewhere around 10:00 pm local time, a rally was going on, everything was fine, calm, people were performing on stage. I got out of the cordon, walked to the barricades and saw that from the side of the city the soldiers began to advance, armed, in uniform without identification marks. Crossroads to move. I found two groups - in one about 11 people, in the other - 5. Those whom 12 rushed behind the house. The traffic police blocked the road, literally minutes 12 before that, then the cordon was removed and left somewhere. And so the soldiers began to move. They did not come directly to the barricades, hiding in the yards.
        We plucked up courage, went up to the soldiers, began to talk with them. These are all conscripts in Zaporozhye. We started asking questions, they say, what are you doing here. They answer that "we have been sent." We say: "Do you understand that you can't shoot here? There are people here!" They: "We ourselves do not want anything like that, we will not shoot in any case. We also have parents, we understand everything, we just followed the order and, at the most, we will stand in cordon."
        Guys, soldiers, hungry, and they also asked us for cigarettes - they have not. The field kitchen is working there, the people who were at the rally also began to approach: "If anything, say, we will feed you, we will bring you sandwiches."
        Closer to 12 o'clock in the morning, we patrolled in a car in a circle - where there was a traffic police cordon, it moved a little further. We saw two buses, I can't say for sure, but there were about 150 people in them - these are the police, special services without identification marks, only the inscription "police" on the back. Buses with Khmelnitsky numbers. That is, these are the official law enforcement officers, not the "Right Sector". We informed those who are in the SBU building about them, and there they answered that "it's okay, we are ready for anything." Then they called me and said that at about 4 am the assault began.
        ( Collapse )
        The assault took place like this: it was the militiamen who tried to storm, and the soldiers stood in a cordon. The police wanted us, like in other cities, to take unceremoniously. People - women, men, all absolutely sober (drunk people are not allowed there at all) - grappled in a living circle around the barricade, began chanting "Russia!", "We will not let the fascists in." In general, the police were not allowed through. She did not dare to break through people.

        - Did the police just come and stand, doing nothing? Didn’t they beat anyone?

        - They just tried to get in behind the cordon. If people were individually, in heaps, this would have been possible, would have been missing one at a time, as in Kharkov. But people have become tight. Therefore, the police could not do anything with this crowd. The police officers crumpled for 15-20 minutes, turned around and left. And the whole day passed calmly.

        helped the Russian speakers to their people.

        Interview was taken by Ivanova Nastasya, especially for the ROD "
      5. fzr1000
        fzr1000 April 11 2014 12: 18
        +1
        Yatsenyuk transfers all power to the Soviets

        Acting Head of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk made serious concessions to the protesters in the east of the country. In particular, he proposed to seriously expand the powers of local authorities.

        For example, Yatsenyuk proposed the liquidation of regional state administrations appointed by the president of Ukraine. According to the head of the cabinet of ministers, the executive committees that will be elected by the Regional Councils should manage the territories on the ground.

        "All financial, economic, administrative and other powers are transferred to the executive committee of each region in order to control the respective territories, in order to give the opportunity to develop these territories, in order to attract investments and receive additional income for each region through the amended budget Code of Ukraine ", - explained Yatsenyuk.

        Also, the head of government promised not to abolish the "Kolesnichenko-Kivalov law" of June 5, 2012, which allowed the use of "regional languages". "No one will ever, under any circumstances, limit the use of the language in which a person is used to communicating, including Russian. First of all, Russian," Yatsenyuk stressed.

        He noted that “the central government is ready not just for a dialogue with the regions, but is ready to fulfill those legal requirements and desires of every citizen of our country, and we, within the framework of the amendments to the Constitution, will be able to respond to all the aspirations, to every specificity of each region, which today is ".

        The head of the Ukrainian government is now in Donetsk, where he is negotiating with Interior Minister Arsen Avakov and the richest resident of Ukraine, Rinat Akhmetov, to resolve the crisis in the east of the country.

        The regional administration of Donetsk is still in the hands of people who announced on Monday April 7 the creation of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
        1. washi
          washi April 11 2014 14: 15
          +1
          Quote: fzr1000
          For example, Yatsenyuk proposed the liquidation of regional state administrations appointed by the president of Ukraine. According to the head of the cabinet of ministers, the executive committees that will be elected by the Regional Councils should manage the territories on the ground.

          So we will come to the Soviets of People's Deputies and to Soviet power.
          Slowly GDP oligarchs are squeezing, but squeezing
      6. Scoun
        Scoun April 11 2014 12: 22
        +3
        Quote: Coffee_time
        then there will come a full economic beaver (or arctic fox).

        There, both the arctic fox and the beaver have already died more than once.

        The northern animal will come there, but IMHA the author overlooks some of the features of the gay European politicians and the American 3.2 races ..
        The scandal will begin, since alternative gas pipeline resources insufficient to meet EU needs. Naturally, the most painful war for energy will hit Ukraine.

        As the experience of the past years shows, the Ukrainian side will steal gas, the Russian side will suffer losses and the European side will still demand from us to fulfill the gas supply contract, while not condemning the Kiev junta and all reproaches of pressure will be towards Russia and their demands for The Russian Federation will essentially mean ... Supply us gas, the amount that Ukraine takes you to us, by increasing the volume of gas supplies ... something like this.
        1. tasey
          tasey April 11 2014 17: 19
          0
          I think that this time the Russian Federation has every reason to force "Dem Europe" to deal with the banderlog itself.
      7. self-propelled
        self-propelled April 11 2014 14: 58
        +3
        Quote: Coffee_time
        then there will come a full economic beaver (or arctic fox).

        something like this ... sad
    2. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich April 11 2014 10: 33
      +1
      Chuck Norris is not our man
      1. Andryukha Siberian
        Andryukha Siberian April 11 2014 11: 03
        0
        Can't you see is Chuck-Norris. Our man.
    3. intersepter
      intersepter April 11 2014 10: 58
      +3
      It is felt that Putin uses the principles of our GREAT ancestors of the 20th century in personnel policy. Like-minded people and associates appear around Putin, and this pleases and gives hope that everything is still not lost for the revival of Great Russia. FRAMES RESOLVE EVERYTHING! interseptor
      1. jjj
        jjj April 11 2014 11: 37
        +1
        If we dismiss all equivocations, then negotiations on the future of Ukraine will take place between Russia and the United States. EU and Ukraine are invited as observers
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    5. Ross
      Ross April 11 2014 11: 40
      +5
      El Murid writes:
      In Ukraine, neither side has the strength, ability, resources, nor determination to put things in order - at least some. A breakdown in chaos will take the situation to a qualitatively different level, and then it will be simply dangerous to delay decision-making. Kedmi is right in the sense that the only force that can really restore order - that is, the elimination of illegal armed groups and the creation of a minimum capable government - is now only Russia.

      We are put in a situation where it is not only about helping our people in the eastern regions. Russia will have to solve first of all the problems of its own security, since Somalia across the river is fraught with any consequences. Therefore, it makes sense to digress for a moment as from the jingoistic rhetoric from "this" side and talk about the "sworn occupiers" on the other. Objectively, the Russian army is the only force capable of eliminating the emerging probability of collapse of a 40-million-strong country into the African savannah. Neither NATO, nor the United States, and in general, no one will lift a finger to end the civil war in Ukraine - and it is rolling in a steam locomotive, and it is absurd not to see this.

    6. brelok
      brelok April 11 2014 11: 55
      +5
      But this is interesting: ". And we will hang them later" ...
      April 10 2014
      Magpie on the tail brought ...

      Information from people from among nationalists ("Fatherland").

      They said that the situation is extremely difficult.

      The situation with the army is completely incomprehensible. And all combat-ready units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs such as "Golden Eagle" are either on the side of the Southeast, or are just waiting for the moment to leave there with weapons.

      Europeans actually pulled back and just watch. They are waiting for the situation to develop.

      The Americans sent military instructors and are ready to finance the creation of armed groups. But this takes time.

      At the moment, a decision has been made to completely remove nationalists from the airwaves with their Russophobia and pronounced hatred of the Southeast and everything Russian (as practice has shown, they are not able to adapt to the situation and their tolerant rhetoric looks extremely unconvincing) And instead of them on the screen let out figures of art, culture, etc. They should constantly say that it is necessary to preserve the unity of Ukraine, that the Russian language and Ukrainian have absolutely equal position in the country, that the new government will take into account the interests of Russians, Russian speakers and the whole of the Southeast as a whole.

      It is also said that now the most important thing for the "government" is to reassure people, to persuade them to stop resisting, to hold on to power and to keep Kiev's control, if not over all, then over most of the country's territory. At the same time, it was reported that as soon as the situation stabilizes, it is planned, based on ethnicity and place of birth, to clean out all government bodies and security forces (to remove all Russians, Jews and representatives of the South-East), to place Ukrainian nationalists at the head of power in the regions, in stages totally ban the Russian language and everything Russian. The stake will be on intimidation and terror. This regime believes that Ukraine can be saved only by force, completely suppressing everything that does not suit the Nazis-Bandera ...

      The main thing now is to retain power at any cost. The main role in this is now played by the media, whose work has already been reorganized according to the principle of military propaganda. There is a deliberate disinformation and manipulation of the mass consciousness. "From the comment on UNN
  2. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov April 11 2014 09: 38
    +9
    Situatsya in Ukraine is changing rapidly, tomorrow is a day off and what they end up with is unknown! And until next Thursday, another week!
    1. Vadim12
      Vadim12 April 11 2014 10: 09
      +29
      It seems that Ukraine will have to be divided anyway: western with the Nazis and southeastern, with the pro-Russian population, enterprises, mines. In my opinion, joining Yu. to the Russian Federation, everyone will be fine, except for western Ukraine! wink
      1. askort154
        askort154 April 11 2014 10: 17
        +9
        Vadim12 ..... It seems that Ukraine will have to be divided anyway: into the west with the Nazis and the southeast, with the pro-Russian population, enterprises, mines. In my opinion, joining Yu. to the Russian Federation, everyone will be fine, except for western Ukraine! hi

        It is useless to glue what is incompatible. It will never be a monolith.
      2. Berkut-UA
        Berkut-UA April 11 2014 10: 30
        +1
        But what about the center?
        they are unlikely to remain unexplained
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 April 11 2014 11: 05
          +3
          Quote: Berkut-UA
          But what about the center?
          they are unlikely to remain unexplained

          ... ettaa ... time to think of the Kiev so-called intelligentsia.
          "anizhedeti" ... let them grow up. Hunger cravings will give the right impulses - how and in what direction to grow up!
          Read more -
          about anizhedeti
          What caught my attention in this provincial melodrama? And the fact that in the final, the children are crying. The children recently learned that reality is somehow complicated in an adult way, but not so long ago "everything was KVN" and Crimea was part of Ukraine. This reality, which had fallen on their heads out of nowhere, began to crush the inescapable optimism of these merry fellows and jokers, yesterday's "masters of life". Children were confused - they were faced with responsibility for what they had done. It was done out of stupidity, of course, but what is insulting to tears - this damn responsibility does not care about their "reasons." Nothing personal, as they say. You will cry here ...

          What was the Maidan for, according to the children? That's right - "to make everyone happier." It did not become more joyful - for a start, Crimea did not become. And the children burst into tears, because, according to them, "Crimea is looking for happiness in a foreign land ...", but in reality the children are crying from fear of the coming adult life. In this adult life, it turns out, there are real machine guns loaded with real cartridges, tanks there, air defense. There are really no ships, but without ships it is sickening. Children cry out of resentment that they were deceived - it turned out that Santa Claus with a Coca-Cola truck is not there, but Putin is. So consider the Russian brothers after that!

          Fully - http://takie.org/news/o_slezinkakh_mladencev/2014-04-10-9892
          1. Patriot.ru.
            Patriot.ru. April 11 2014 11: 53
            +2
            From a smile it suddenly became brighter. These are no longer children. They are FASCISTS, BANDERERS. I have NO SUCH children.
        2. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. April 11 2014 11: 46
          +1
          They will remain Geyropeytsami.
        3. Wheel
          Wheel April 11 2014 12: 16
          0
          Quote: Berkut-UA
          But what about the center? It’s unlikely that they will remain unintended

          And the center - But father to re-education.
        4. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov April 11 2014 12: 55
          +1
          Quote: Berkut-UA
          But what about the center?
          they are unlikely to remain unexplained

          And this they must decide for themselves! AND SHOW, with whom they are, exactly what to show, otherwise we have somehow become incredulous. Suddenly they run away from chaos, and as soon as they get rid of a knife in the back!
      3. TAMERLAN 7
        TAMERLAN 7 April 11 2014 10: 51
        +1
        Quote: Vadim12
        In my opinion, joining Yu. to the Russian Federation, everyone will be fine, except for western Ukraine!
        These fascists were not heard in the USSR, we did not even know what they were. Leaving them in power means having an ulcer at hand! So far, Russia and its leadership are strong, except for chatter they will not decide on anything, but if that happens, this infection will manifest itself very badly. They are no better than Chechen terrorists. And in eastern Ukraine there are many people with brainwashed or without them at all. We must not tear Ukraine, but destroy the Nazis. To begin with, moderate politicians should come to power, not Bandera, introduce a second Russian language (more precisely, two of the same status), a federal structure of Ukraine (we will even detail the west to pieces). At the second stage - rapprochement with Russia, the economic and military alliance. On the third - wait and see!
        1. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin April 11 2014 11: 57
          +1
          These fascists were not heard in the USSR, we did not even know what they were. Leaving them in power means having an ulcer at hand!
          Those who served in the Soviet army probably remember how Western Ukrainians relate to Russians, and the nickname "" was not born yesterday. No need to delude yourself, Ukraine (! Western !, everything from Lviv to Poland) is not our friends, they are our ideological enemies, they have always been and always will be. Where do you think the "right sector", "svoboda" and the like came from, they are diligently raised by Western "democratic" politicians in the hope that they will help them destroy (destroy) Russia. True, this time they miscalculated, did not underestimate Comrade Putin and his team. But if the "right sector" remains (and it remains) these are the same "boys" who will always shit under our windows. The "right sector" does not care about Ukraine on a grand scale, they are just puppets, and when everything is over, their leaders will quietly move to London and write memoirs there about how they hate Russia.
        2. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. April 11 2014 12: 04
          0
          Spanish authorities rejected Catalonia referendum afraid ???
        3. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov April 11 2014 13: 13
          +1
          Quote: TAMERLAN 7
          We must not tear Ukraine, but destroy the Nazis.


          You can’t glue 2 different poles, even one magnet! Than not glue! Money, blood, lies, betrayal ..
          ...., and what is contraindicated to treat them with kindness, they have already proved that! Such therapy only generates metastases!
          We have a multinational state, multiconfessional, etc. etc. And there are enough voltage points over the edge, creating additional ones is not even stupid, but criminal. We are now absolutely unable to patronize a bunch of banderlogs and start re-educating them!
          Remember the Exupery? In, in! Who tamed, let him answer!
          And we need only our people, who have already proved IT by BUSINESS!
      4. valerei
        valerei April 11 2014 11: 22
        +1
        Quote: Vadim12
        It seems that Ukraine will have to be divided anyway: western with the Nazis and southeastern, with the pro-Russian population, enterprises, mines. In my opinion, joining Yu. to the Russian Federation, everyone will be fine, except for western Ukraine!

        Good thing, good thing. And if the head is connected? It is understandable, on the one hand, so to speak, the "imperial ambitions" of a part of our population do not allow even a glass of beer to drink with due pleasure! And on the other? On the other hand, it turns out, if, of course, you connect your head, that Russia is pulling out Crimea with difficulty, and three more - five regions of Ukraine - then this will be, to put it mildly! unaffordable for our frail economy. And, if Crimea is a sacred cause, then everything else is in question. And, to paraphrase the well-known phrase that we must be responsible for those who have tamed - then, in this case, we must be responsible for those who have been attached. Already now, programs have been introduced in Russia to cut spending on health care and education. April increase in retirement age (hold on to your chair!) - 1,7% !! and this is with the official! inflation rate of about 6%. What brains you need to have in Moscow to calculate this figure so "accurately"! Here the Moscow "smart guys" say that you can open our American money box and there will be money. Yes, they will !, but what money? And the money will be oil and gas, that is, "empty", i.e. not provided with anything and, accordingly, inflation will climb even higher. No, officially it will be the same 6-7%, and unofficially - 10-12%, and God forbid, if it be so !. And I described only three problems, but in Russia there are several more. However, hurray-patriots will not like my comment, well, well, excuse me.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 11 2014 13: 04
          0
          Quote: valerei
          Good, good. And if you connect your head?

          Well, let's plug our head in. Here you are saying that oil and gas money is empty.
          They are empty in one single case, when they were picked up and handed out.
          It is completely different when they are invested in real production.
          Our frail economy, funny as it may seem, is not a bad basis for a rapid leap.
          This, of course, if the declared policy of reindustrialization is not idle talk.

          It was hundreds of times more difficult for Stalin to carry out industrialization and post-war reconstruction, because he did not have this "empty" money.
          And you say five areas do not pull ....

          I did not give you any plus or minus, because I understand the desire to "take away and divide" (this is what a pensioner says in me laughing ).
      5. Val_y
        Val_y April 11 2014 11: 43
        +1
        Yes, the gentry takes them, with the Magyars, so let them remind them about Bandera, Shukhevych, about "Nachtigall" and the SS "Galicia", and most importantly, so as not to forget about the "European values" to remind laughing laughing
      6. tasey
        tasey April 11 2014 17: 31
        0
        I would prefer an independent Republic of the South-East. It will definitely be ours, and in the international "swamp" it will be easier for us to "steer" in such conditions.
    2. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. April 11 2014 10: 18
      +22
      I would like to say the following, I would ask the site if it is possible to convey to Arsen Avvakov, the ultimatum has expired, you as a person and the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine aspiring to Europe know how they feel about politicians who have not fulfilled their promises, they resign, you as an official and how man, and I think you’re a man, you should resign or it’s weak, but there is a way out, you consider yourself a patriot of Ukraine, a responsible person, and in those buildings in Lugansk and Donetsk they think that they are also patriots of Ukraine, if you’re a man just take a car put in it without bulletproof vest and protection to the peasants and say, let’s talk, the country is one, say don’t throw grenades. If shots sound there, you understand the whole Southeast will be lost for Kiev, not Ukraine, and we don’t know where then all other regions they’ll be drawn to the South-East or to Kiev, because the country's GDP is being formed here. Just don’t put ultimatums, you can see the professional military, the police, and the Agan who passed them just like that. Especially Alpha, and this is the most prepared unit in Ukraine, refused to storm, remember the Supreme Council of Russia, Alpha also refused to storm, there are no people in pagons to make unnecessary choices, they are defending their homeland, and not a bunch of maydanuts. Low bow to these guys from Alpha more of their minds appeared than those of the Kiev rulers. Decide whether you are a man or someone, time will tell.
      1. werewolf
        werewolf April 11 2014 10: 42
        +13
        AVAKOV IS THE OWNER OF HIS WORD! THE WORD GAVE, THE WORD TAKE ... IN THE ZYKOVSK "COCK" HE IS THE WHOLE TALE. THOSE WHO DO NOT RESPOND FOR WORDS ARE PLANTED WITH "SKIN AWL"
        1. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov April 11 2014 13: 20
          +1
          Quote: Werwolf
          THOSE WHO DO NOT RESPOND FOR WORDS ARE PLANTED WITH "SKIN AWL"

          Well, you give! He does not hide that he is a gay man! And you decided to encourage him with a leather awl!
          Soldering iron to him, with a sting from the crowbar !!!
      2. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer April 11 2014 11: 23
        +1
        Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
        you as an official and as a man, but I think you are a man
        mistaken dear, he is a homosexual
  3. alexng
    alexng April 11 2014 09: 40
    +35
    It seems that the West has finally merged Ukraine due to the failure of the plan - A and plan - B. Now we just observe the dull inertia of the Western senile.
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 11 2014 10: 35
      +5
      I think the moment is not far off, as the Kiev shortcomings, the West will erase the backside.
      One problem has not yet been resolved, Americos. The coup project is their idea. To stand between us and the West, a civil war of attrition, the governance of Europe sitting on a gas valve.
      And here I am afraid of a simple struggle with the senile.
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      2. alexng
        alexng April 11 2014 11: 45
        +1
        Quote: Little Muck
        One problem has not yet been resolved, Americos.


        Yes, but the solution to this problem is also not far off. Now the first stage is going, and after the second of this mistake of nature (USA) a fat polar fox and a beaver will come.
      3. Vita_vko
        Vita_vko April 11 2014 12: 11
        +1
        Although I am not an economist, I am very indignant at the question Until what time will the Russian government support the US dollar by concluding contracts for the supply of energy carriers in this green currency ???
        After all, it is obvious to everyone that the gigantic US public debt did not bring down the American economy just because, with the support of the main sponsor of terrorism, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, all oil contracts are concluded exclusively in $. Thus, instead of the gold reserve, which provides the currency of all states, the United States created a system in which contracts in $ allow replacing the gold and currency reserves of a single country with all energy reserves on the globe !!! In my opinion this is a robbery. And if you keep silent about this and do nothing, then the consequences will be simply unpredictable, the 3rd world is at least.
        1. alexng
          alexng April 12 2014 02: 05
          0
          I understand your desire to solve everything with one wave of the sword. But it is not possible to solve this immediately, although it is not critical, if with complete isolation. Now financial institutions of the BRICS countries are being prepared for the domestic currency and this issue has entered its final stage. In the meantime, WE can abandon the dollar and switch to the ruble in gas trade with Europe and China, but we are not touching oil at this stage. And when this stage is implemented, then go to the second and transfer the oil trade for the euro. This is where the northern fox, so white, white and fluffy, sneaks up on the dollar. Although the situation is even more complicated, the dollar has already initiated its collapse with the beginning of the bacchanalia in Ukraine, and this is not far off. Patience and patience again. And most importantly, no jerks are needed. Everything is going according to a pre-planned plan. The American elephant has already received a hole and devastation has begun, and a loud "buzz" to the whole world is a weapon of skunks, but this will not save him.
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  5. Retx
    Retx April 11 2014 09: 41
    +19
    Of the beautiful, chic addition
    The Prime Minister of Ukraine, appointed by the Verkhovna Rada, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, said that in fact there are 7,2 billion cubic meters in the UGS. m, "but there should be more than 20 billion cubic meters. m. " I didn’t steal this gas, ”he concluded.
    1. Warlock_r
      Warlock_r April 11 2014 10: 05
      +12
      Quote: RETX
      I didn’t steal this gas, ”he concluded


      "unfortunately ..." read in his eyes.
    2. major071
      major071 April 11 2014 10: 08
      +42
      The rabbit climbed into the pgh
      I pounded the pipe with my tail
      All animals, we ****** c!
      No gas, the bear said!
      Blocked us bear gas
      They settled down, animals, we!
      He promised that he would move in the eye
      Kohl we pine from the pipe.
      And the bear crouched on a crane
      And he said to the beasts through laughter
      Kohl order to suck you given
      I will give a pacifier. One for all!
      drinks
  6. tnship2
    tnship2 April 11 2014 09: 41
    +24
    They are sitting on the neck and still acting up in Kiev. Such relatives are normal. Medical starvation, only it can brighten the brain. Forget about Kiev for half a year, not for 9 months. And in the winter we will see.
    1. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... April 11 2014 10: 06
      +8


      By maydanutym quiet comes understanding)))
      As for therapeutic fasting ... do you really think that THEY will starve and freeze? ... Simple Ukrainians will starve and freeze.
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks April 11 2014 10: 16
        +23
        Quote: infinite silence ...
        By maydanutym quiet comes understanding)))


        well still: Miners arrive to Donetsk to RSA

        well beautiful damn it.
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr April 11 2014 10: 28
          +13
          Quote: seller trucks
          Quote: infinite silence ...
          By maydanutym quiet comes understanding)))


          well still: Miners arrive to Donetsk to RSA

          well beautiful damn it.

          this is a counterweight to the torchlight procession of the Nazis!
        2. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... April 11 2014 10: 40
          +14
          Beautifully Vital ...
          If I knew - how painful!
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks April 11 2014 10: 53
            +3
            sorry, Irina, I didn’t want to
            1. infinite silence ...
              infinite silence ... April 11 2014 11: 28
              +7
              No .... You are right! This is an amazing sight!
              Especially such lights in a moment of silence over the deceased Berkut ... in complete silence, in the presence of so many people ... turn the soul!
              And in this silence one feels such power! ...
        3. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 11 2014 10: 51
          +5
          Yeah. But if you understand that these are all evil miners. Something I do not envy their enemies.
          1. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... April 11 2014 13: 12
            +2
            TODAY!!!!

            During the explosion at the Skochinsky mine in Donetsk, seven miners were killed.
            According to the press service of the Gosgorpromnadzor, an explosion of a gas-air mixture occurred this morning at site No. 4.
            There were 78 people in the mine. The accident killed seven workers.

            And here’s the conclusion - lightning fast -
            Minister of Energy and Coal Industry Yuri Prodan said that the explosion occurred due to non-compliance with safety regulations.

            HOW CAN YOU MAKE SUCH A CONCLUSION WITHOUT A COMMISSION ?!
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks April 11 2014 15: 21
              +1
              Quote: infinite silence ...
              HOW CAN YOU MAKE SUCH A CONCLUSION WITHOUT A COMMISSION ?!


              I was not surprised if the perpetrators of Putin were recorded, it is so in Ukrainian.
        4. reality
          reality April 11 2014 11: 30
          +2
          This is the harshest photo of this year. If the miners left the house after hours, it means they were completely taken out.
          1. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... April 11 2014 11: 34
            +7
            Yesterday, in protest, 150 people miners filed for calculation ... because they, under the threat of dismissal, were forbidden to go to the rally.
            And the information for today - the dismissal is not signed. Sorry, but oboroslis ... Understanding came?)))))
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 11: 11
        +5
        Quote: infinite silence ...
        By maydanutym quiet comes understanding)))

        Yeah, if you want to eat, you’ll start to think with your head. And they don’t already jump or jumped laughing
        1. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... April 11 2014 11: 30
          +5
          Well, the cookies from Nuland are over)))))) It's time to eat the radish grown on the Maidan))) the pigs did not grow yet ...
          Tell me - Eurointegrated Ukraine on the Maidan has put in place pigsties - PEACE!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 13: 13
            +1
            Quote: infinite silence ...
            )) the pigs have not grown yet ...

            And then the radish will not have time to grow up, they will burn it ... laughing
        2. Simple
          Simple April 11 2014 11: 56
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yeah, if you want to eat, you’ll start to think with your head. And they don’t already jump or jumped



          The Germans have a saying:

          Was man nicht im Kopf hat, muss man in den Beinen haben

          or

          If there is no (reason) in the head, then there should be (reason) (at least) in the legs.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 11 2014 13: 14
            +1
            Quote: Simple
            If there is no (reason) in the head, then there should be (reason) (at least) in the legs.

            So he was at his feet and was, XTO DON'T LIKE THOSE M. OSKAL laughing
    2. Whale
      Whale April 11 2014 10: 54
      +1
      Those who sit and act up in Kiev will not starve. Everything will fall on the shoulders of ordinary people.
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    4. ZSP
      ZSP April 11 2014 11: 36
      +1
      Without lowering it like this, the entire shusherah will fall down to the cold (or solve the issue of heating), but the people will suffer simple! It is necessary to decide and undertake something before the cold weather. But there’s no one to talk to yet ... That’s the problem
  7. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 11 2014 09: 43
    +38
    Gas supplies to Ukraine should be stopped for a long time, and this circus should be finished. The 35 billion debt already speaks volumes. She will not be returned, even if Ukraine is sold together with Yaytsenyukh, Turchinov and others like them, and a woman with a scythe is sent for life to work off this money on the panel. At the same time, the brains of the "gassed" by us Europe will be aired. We were deprived of the right to vote in PACE until the end of the year, and depriving Europe of gas for the same period would be a good lesson for it. And we will take our money for gas in other markets - China is big, and other countries of the Asia-Pacific region will never give up such a freebie.
    1. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... April 11 2014 10: 18
      +31
      But the fact that it was necessary to stop gas supplies as soon as the first accusation against Russia was voiced - THIS IS TRUE!
      More businesses would get up. More asses would tear themselves away from the sofas - in the understanding - EVERYTHING LOST, CHEF! EVERYTHING IS LOST! And the referendum issue would be resolved faster.
      Russia in the form of non-repaid, written off, interest-free loans and borrowings, direct investments, equipment supplies, etc. etc. for 23 years of independence invested Ukraine in the amount of $ 250 billion!
      Ukraine does not need to spit in the direction of Russia and do not burn tires when drunk ... it is necessary to organize a national tribunal, to put in a cage all these former uncles who sold the people to the States and ask them in all severity. The money stolen by them is enough for Ukraine to flourish! And do not have to run around the world, begging money for a piece of bread ...
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 April 11 2014 11: 50
        +5
        Quote: infinite silence ...
        But the fact that it was necessary to stop gas supplies as soon as the first accusation against Russia was voiced - THIS IS TRUE!

        And if Europe screams that we are conducting a gas war against Ukraine, offer the EU countries, if they are so kind, to pay with Russia for Ukrainian gas. They are all so correct, so let Ukraine help in practice, not in words. I think it is unlikely that they will sponsor this Ukrainian lack of authority - from whom then to demand money for it?
        1. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... April 11 2014 12: 03
          0
          I think that the cookies are over ...))))))
    2. Berkut-UA
      Berkut-UA April 11 2014 10: 40
      +5
      Since the United States paid for standing on the Maidan,
      then you can bill Saraj Husseinich for payment

      They all the same consider their debt trillions
  8. Arhj
    Arhj April 11 2014 09: 43
    +17
    The question is how long the central government will last. There is no central authority in Uraine. And what she calls herself is a gang of temporary workers who are ready to dump at any moment with the loot.
  9. fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 11 2014 09: 44
    +16
    In principle, a good tactic.

    At first, Operation Ukraine was carried out by Russia by military means, the West tensed and began to spend money on reenactment of its armed forces in Europe, at the same time using political, economic and propaganda leverage.
    Ours have now come from the other side, from the economic. But not how it was done in the West, where large politicians were hurt in some places and covered all sorts of obscure interstate programs, but specifically, gas, and where is Zin's money? And when the question is posed specifically, and even at such a burning moment, the answer to that side will have to be given as concrete. The ball was sent to the enemy half of the field. We are waiting, sir.
  10. ed65b
    ed65b April 11 2014 09: 45
    +32
    Dobkin yesterday barely took his feet from Lugansk. What nafig representative, scum is a complete traitor to Kharkov. I do not know how you comrades forum users, but for me it’s better than Tsarev. only he probably needs to leave the party of regions.
    1. Retx
      Retx April 11 2014 09: 51
      +11
      Tsarev was abducted, he does not like the junta and the legal prisoners of such people. But yesterday, the Kharkiv underground police department in front of people took off the uniform and threw out the certificate.
    2. Egoza
      April 11 2014 10: 06
      +16
      Quote: ed65b
      but for me it’s better than Tsarev. only he probably needs to leave the party of regions.

      So Pr has already expelled him, as well as Tigipko, for daring to go as self-nominated candidates to the "presidential competition" laughing
      1. Tersky
        Tersky April 11 2014 10: 13
        +6
        Quote: Egoza
        So Pr has already expelled him, as well as Tigipko, for daring to go as self-nominated candidates to the "presidential competition"

        Wow... laughing there, the entire Rada as well as the "government" are self-nominated, then let everyone search for themselves, with the only difference that the junta itself is using a pistol ..
    3. acute
      acute April 11 2014 10: 12
      0
      so the PR sheep themselves expelled him from it
    4. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 11 2014 10: 20
      +10
      I remember that Dobkin was yelling on the telly, as if to come to us (PS), we are portraits of Shukhevych and Bandera to you in cram. Yap he garbage
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 11 2014 13: 32
        0
        Quote: Coffee_time
        I remember that Dobkin was yelling on the telly, as if to come to us (PS), we are portraits of Shukhevych and Bandera to you in cram. Yap he garbage

        Maybe he meant that he put himself in the ass? We need to check with a proctologist, otherwise maybe we are slandering a kid for nothing? ! repeat
    5. Duelist
      Duelist April 11 2014 11: 17
      0
      Dobkin and Kernes are a sweet couple of traitors. Stopudovo in collusion with the Kiev junta, they did not allow the protest movement to turn around in Donetsk and Kharkov in late February-March. There is no trust in them.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b April 11 2014 11: 32
        0
        I didn’t know that Tsarev was expelled, litter.
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    7. reality
      reality April 11 2014 11: 34
      0
      Tsarev in the eyes like a man. And his power will ruin, but maybe not right away ...
  11. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 11 2014 09: 45
    +4
    Temporary workers on the count! Yes, quickly! In Kiev everything, like flies stoned by diphlophos, does not beat us well!
  12. leon17
    leon17 April 11 2014 09: 46
    +1
    Imagine how the Americans are turning from anger, like a snake in a pan.
    1. Egoza
      April 11 2014 10: 09
      +12
      Quote: leon17
      Imagine how the Americans are turning from anger, like a snake in a pan.

      First of all, they did not expect such resistance in the SE!
      People have risen themselves! They are! AND NO ONE PAYS THEM !!!
      Yes, and that ...
      Protesters in Donetsk decided to create their own "people's army"

      Participants of the protest action in Donetsk, who are holding the building of the regional state administration, decided to form their own "people's army". This was stated on Thursday at a press conference by Denis Pushilin, one of the leaders of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), the creation of which was announced on April 7 by the protesters.

      "Starting today, we are announcing the creation of a people's army in the DPR and are starting to form it," he stressed. According to him, Igor Kakidzyanov will be appointed commander of this army.

      Pushilin specified that the army is necessary "to protect the people of the DPR and the territorial integrity of the republic." Kakidzyanov, in turn, said that in the future "registration, appropriate provision, registration of army men will be carried out."

      "A headquarters will be appointed, an officer corps consisting of former officers in reserve or current officers," he said.

      Pushilin also added that on Thursday the negotiations of the protesters with the leadership of the region and the city were completed, at which a number of demands were voiced.

      In particular, we are talking about the creation of "joint patrols with the police and the traffic police" in order to forestall the more frequent cases of crime in the city.

      In addition, it was declared about the need to create "joint squads to guard the building of the regional state administration" and the formation of a working group to prepare for the local referendum. It will include representatives from the protesters and members of the Donetsk Regional Council.

      The talks also discussed "full amnesty" for the detained protesters.
      Source: ITAR-TASS
  13. Alex66
    Alex66 April 11 2014 09: 49
    +11
    Therefore, there is reason to propose as a negotiator, Mikhail Dobkin, who won the primaries at the PR congress and is the candidate for president from the Party of Regions. "
    Well, just not Dopa, you still add Hepu and they will bury the whole southeast. Tsarev, only he offers at least something intelligible, and these worthy receivers of Yanek will continue to try to sit on three chairs.
  14. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 11 2014 09: 49
    +7
    The junta is at a loss. Western patrons threw them, instead of the promised dough, while a donut hole. The Americans only gave guarantees for 1 billion dollars of loans, but they still need to be borrowed from someone else. Yes, and Russia, with its non-recognition and military presence at the borders, does not let its heads rise. In general, as in the "Diamond Hand": Lelik, Lelik, everything is gone ... It's time to dry the crackers, good gentlemen.
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 11 2014 10: 46
      +4
      And it will end with another phrase of Papanov, from a no less famous film, "You suck, but you don't steal" wink
  15. kotvov
    kotvov April 11 2014 09: 49
    0
    official participation of states. ” ...... I did not understand who he meant, really Janek.
    1. Egoza
      April 11 2014 10: 13
      +11
      Quote: kotvov
      official participation of states. ” ...... I did not understand who he meant, really Janek.

      And this will be the picture "We did not expect!" laughing
      The Americans and the EU will arrive, the junta will arrive, Russia will arrive ... and Yanukovych! Here you will need to look at all their "physiognomy" laughing
      And about. President Turchinov - yes there is no such position anywhere! Prime Rabbit? So his acting appointed! I wonder how they will get out!
      The main thing is that SE lasted until this moment.
  16. MolGro
    MolGro April 11 2014 09: 49
    +12
    Heroes who destroyed Ukraine!
    1. 7even
      7even April 11 2014 15: 13
      0
      these are destruction lists
  17. ramsi
    ramsi April 11 2014 09: 49
    +18
    personally, I see only one sane scenario of the course of events: we "bite off" everything from Ukraine, at least up to the borders of 1939
  18. Name
    Name April 11 2014 09: 49
    +14
    Ukraine and an independent state - these concepts are compatible, they are essentially antonyms, 23 years of "nEzalEzhnost" proved it. Ukraine is an "artificial state"- this is the statement of the Hungarian deputy at the PACE session. In addition, the representative of Hungary mentioned the problem of the Transcarpathian Rusyns, whom "no one recognizes in Ukraine." Also, the Hungarian noted that Ukraine, in particular, includes Transcarpathia, which for many years belonged to Hungary.... and after all there is also Romania, Poland ...So without Russia there is no Ukraine and this is understandable to everyone, but not everyone is profitable. hi
    1. Ivan Tucha
      Ivan Tucha April 11 2014 12: 40
      0
      In the Hungarian statement there is some truth - Ukraine is indeed an artificially created state, and if it weren’t for the Commonwealth, it would never have happened.
  19. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 11 2014 09: 50
    +1
    We will soon see the boomerang too.
  20. Stalevar
    Stalevar April 11 2014 09: 53
    +2
    Sorry for people from the Southeast! There still seems to be more blood, but apparently it’s impossible in a different way! Foul logic! A terrible rule - that for the rest to live well, someone should give his life.
    1. MOTA
      MOTA April 11 2014 10: 18
      +4
      It seems to me, there will be no blood. Puppets are afraid that the west will let them down.
      1. Stalevar
        Stalevar April 11 2014 10: 22
        +2
        It is good to. It remains to wait a short time, a couple of hours.
      2. a52333
        a52333 April 11 2014 11: 00
        +2
        Me too. And economic sanctions, IMHO, and therefore indicated.
        The GDP, it seems to me, was conveyed as a bluff, otherwise it would not be about sanctions, but about the introduction of peacekeepers (polite essesses)
  21. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx April 11 2014 09: 53
    +1
    Cut off the gas and see who will talk about what and during the negotiations, and at the end to offer the EU and the US to feed Ukraine, although we will not wait. There will only be a concussion.
  22. Lyton
    Lyton April 11 2014 09: 53
    +2
    Yeah, it looks like the poor outskirts are finally turning into a banana artel with Papuans and endless coups.
  23. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 11 2014 09: 53
    +5
    That the southeast is so seized by this federalism. Their zapadentsy will throw, promise, and will hang then. Only joining Russia.
  24. Leshka
    Leshka April 11 2014 09: 53
    +1
    soon a new operation to force Ukraine into peace will begin yes
    1. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 11 2014 10: 23
      +1
      No, they said yesterday that the anti-terrorist operation will be, if that ...
    2. Docent1984
      Docent1984 April 11 2014 10: 49
      +1
      More precisely, to cohabitation)))
  25. siberalt
    siberalt April 11 2014 09: 54
    +3
    As soon as the junta begins to clean up the Yu-V, they can immediately say goodbye with the hope of financial support from behind the hill. They will soon have nothing to feed the siloviki. A billion in the treasury, but what kind of shisha to hold elections?
    1. Egoza
      April 11 2014 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: siberalt
      and what shisha elections to hold?

      so collected from the "applicants"
  26. Sterlya
    Sterlya April 11 2014 09: 55
    +8
    Will watch. Unblock gas unambiguously until full settlement of debts and receipt of the first advance payment. And when will it be? wassat Under Bandera in power, NEVER, most likely, how many freaks are there in the government of eggheads, with a scythe and just ... I wonder when ever in the history of mankind gathered so many cattle in one place? (although yes. PACE laughing )
  27. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 11 2014 09: 58
    +21
    the more I UNDERSTAND into politics .... THE MORE I UNDERSTAND how much Putin is able to DO VERY CLEAR AND FAR-VISIBLE STEPS!
    don’t know how many .. BUT PUTIN-GORGEOUS STRATEG!
    In the West, I do not see such! at least in official circles!
    1. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 11 2014 10: 25
      +2
      In the West, forgot how to forget or even failed
      1. screw cutter
        screw cutter April 11 2014 16: 06
        0
        Why think if you can buy. They bought Egypt, bought Iraq, but it didn’t work with Syria, it’s not for sale. We tried to think about it, but there’s nothing, the thinker atrophied from long purchases. Suvorov also said, “You have to fight not by number, but by skill.”
    2. Name
      Name April 11 2014 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: Nitarius
      ..BUT PUTIN-GORNY STRATEG!

      He has a very strong team and diplomats and an analytical group.
  28. Bruevich
    Bruevich April 11 2014 09: 59
    +4
    From the negotiations it is necessary to exclude the United States and not the southeast.
    1. Berkut-UA
      Berkut-UA April 11 2014 10: 53
      +3
      And then with whom to negotiate? with US puppets?
      They themselves cannot make the right decision.

      During the Maidan - no one could persuade the Maydan to leave
      government buildings. And only when the minister called the US Embassy
      and explained what problems might arise .... after 15 minutes, all captured buildings
      were released.
      And you speak without them.

      Without them, even in Europe they are afraid to fart.
  29. beeFrost
    beeFrost April 11 2014 09: 59
    +4
    author respect !! super article
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    1. Tersky
      Tersky April 11 2014 10: 15
      +4
      Quote: stix99
      MYSELF DIGGING FOR YOURSELF!

      They have been in it for a long time ... and not just in the pit, but in a cesspool of a rustic toilet ..
  31. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE April 11 2014 10: 04
    +6
    Played maydanutye banderlog with fire. And they were warned of a similar outcome back in December. They ate American bagels on the Maidan and screamed that they were free. Now they are really free. There is no work, no economy, no state management system, no GAS. Complete FREEDOM from everything !!! And the campaign dry American rations are also eaten and they are no longer there. In short, the full scribe has arrived!
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya April 11 2014 10: 23
      +4
      Regarding gas, you got excited, both pumped it, and pump it. Merkel and Obama are developing new dirty tricks, and we stupidly continue to support the Ukrainian economy and feed the EU, our people are impoverished, and the vile gayropa is feeding off at our expense. Our ultimatums for them that " bath list "to one place, 3,14 is enough, you need to really hit the economy of the West, then their governments will fly to the faith" like a funnel. "And then they started talking about strategy, strategy, but in fact, a complete service to the interests of the West! What, wrong? Of course, it is convenient for our "top" to do nothing "to hammer the loot" on the difference in exchange rates and on gas, which is actually the property of the people, I don’t remember that someone asked us what to do with our natural resources!
      1. Egoza
        April 11 2014 10: 30
        +12
        Quote: kartalovkolya
        as they rocked him, they rock him.

        You are mistaken! Ukraine has stopped pumping gas from Russia.
        But ... I repeat

        "Kiev goals (the transfer of special forces, Right Sector militants, mercenaries and military equipment) in the Southeast are clear:
        1. Suppress the rebels under the yoke of the Kiev authorities, residents of the South-West.
        2. At the same time, provoke Russia to enter military units on the territory of Ukraine to protect the inhabitants of the Southeast.
        3. Declare it an aggression and ask NATO to send troops to Ukraine.
        4. Conduct presidential elections under the cover of NATO, which NATO, the EU and Washington will immediately recognize.
        5. It is desirable to achieve direct military contact between the military of NATO and Russia.
        Provoke a long-term political conflict between Russia and NATO.
        6. Under this sauce, immediately receive from Washington and Brussels 10-15 billion dollars to prevent the bankruptcy of the country and the regime.
        7. Kiev would like the Americans to land in Ukraine. Firstly, in order to push Russia and the USA directly between their foreheads.
        Second, to persuade the United States to "liberate Crimea."
        All this will allow Poroshenko-Tymoshenko-Turchinov-Yatsenyuk to sit on NATO-American bayonets for several years.

        What does Kiev not take into account?
        1. The United States will not go to a direct military confrontation with Russia. Even in Ukraine.
        2. The only combat-capable European NATO forces are German. But the entry of German troops into the territory of Ukraine will mean the direct return of European history to June 22, 1941. Half of Europe, half of Ukraine and all of Russia will directly put an equal sign between Hitler’s troops and the Bundeswehr. Angela Merkel will instantly turn from a Christian democrat into ... If she wants to kill herself as a politician, then only in this case she will agree to the German troops to enter Ukraine, where half of the inhabitants are Russians.
        The remaining NATO military forces are incapable.
        The French will not stick to Ukraine. Shaving? I think not, even if Washington presses them.

        But Putin nonetheless gives Washington, Brussels and Berlin a chance to change their minds. Kiev is useless, as it is not able to change its mind.
        Putin listed point by point yesterday what are the economic consequences of further Turchinov-Yatsenyuk-Avakov frenzy.

        In the most dramatic development of events, in a few days Ukraine will automatically be divided into the Right-Bank Ukrana, occupied by NATO, and the Left-Bank Independent Republic (with or without southern regions) - the Novorossiysk Federation under the military protectorate of Russia.
        In a couple of months, the question will arise (between Washington, Brussels and Moscow on the other hand) about the division of Kiev into the Ukrainian and Russian zones.

        Additional introductory statement: provocations against Transnistria or "aggravation of the situation" in Moldova are possible, after which NATO troops will be deployed not directly to Ukraine, but to Moldova.

        In a word, Kiev needs to provoke the advance of Russian and NATO troops to its territory. It is desirable (for Kiev) that the first to enter the troops of Russia. Kiev is capable of EVERYTHING to achieve this goal. "

        http://v-tretyakov.livejournal.com/1173071.html
        Very sound rating.
        1. Name
          Name April 11 2014 11: 02
          +1
          And if you can buy the May European parliamentary elections (but the EU is not calm, either), then you can’t wait for help from the West in principle. hi
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman April 11 2014 11: 42
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          Putin listed item by item yesterday

          Elena, but tell me where exactly Putin talked about this? I would like to see the full version!
          Is it at a meeting of the ONF or somewhere else?
        3. Vita_vko
          Vita_vko April 11 2014 12: 38
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          Very sound rating.

          If we take as a basis that in the West, some hamsters and they rule. But in my opinion there are not so many idiots there, although they are more often striking than sane. See how they learn fast! After the events in Georgia on 08.08, no one is already at risk of using heavy weapons, or even just introducing armored vehicles into the city! But it seems that the masses, especially the right sector, are tense to the limit. According to the idea, someone had long had to grab a grenade and throw it into the barricades or the crowd, but no, the sphincters are not iron.
  32. Lawless
    Lawless April 11 2014 10: 04
    +2
    Good must be with fists!
  33. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 11 2014 10: 07
    +2
    We are waiting for 12 Moscow time. I still think that the Maydauns will not have the courage to send them to the assault. They clearly understand that this will be the end of their "reign". Probably much faster than they think. They will try to come to an agreement (and what can they offer?), They will threaten, arrest a dozen people, there will be provocations from the PR. That's all they can do.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky April 11 2014 10: 16
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      I still think that to send for an assault the maydowns do not have the courage

      Denis, hi! I hope the same for such an outcome, but there is one thing - a rat cornered is not predictable ..
      1. Egoza
        April 11 2014 10: 25
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        there is one thing but - a rat cornered is not predictable ..

        They will try to arrange a provocation with the help of mercenaries, if the ambassador from the USA orders!
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 11 2014 10: 49
        +2
        I agree, the provocation will be 100%. The question is how serious. And if you leave the rat in the corner longer, it will die of hunger.
  34. DimYang
    DimYang April 11 2014 10: 07
    +2
    In general, it is necessary to raise the question of the legitimacy of the existence of the state UKRAINE. Thus, to put a fat point in the geopolitical war. In general, it is clear that so far this will not happen, but I would very much like to. And I’m already tired of watching this circus of freaks of the Maydanuts, which is headed by Jews who “seem to be the Ukrainians. ".
  35. patriot123
    patriot123 April 11 2014 10: 07
    +2
    this power is not long left !! the people in Ukraine will clean everything up !!
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    4. 51064
      51064 April 11 2014 10: 17
      +6
      Such meetings with the presence of cameras and journalists are held to transmit signals of the exact Moscow time and therefore are especially interesting. Many topics and figures voiced at the meeting have long been known to everyone and have been voiced more than once. Today they were again repeated for a very definite purpose.

      What was said:

      1. The European Union.

      The Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU posed threats not so much to the Ukrainian economy as to the Russian economy. Almost immediately after the signing, an uncontrolled collapse of the Russian market would start with duty-free European goods and goods of third countries, which would immediately hit Russian producers. Moreover, Ukraine would be forced to break dozens and hundreds of agreements with Russia that contradict the terms of the association. As a result, the association poses a double threat to Russia specifically - in essence, it would destroy bilateral mutually beneficial trade and industrial ties between Russia and Ukraine and would lead to the crowding out of Russian-made goods by goods from European and third countries.

      We wanted good, human. We tried to negotiate. The proposed compromises and constructive proposals were rejected by the EU. European officials rested as, posing as rams. Sorry. It will be bad.

      2. Ukraine.

      Despite all the difficulties in relations, despite all the anti-Russian and frankly fascist anti-Russian rhetoric of the junta, we fulfilled all obligations and maintained all ties, thereby providing the Ukrainian industry with orders of $ 15 billion in cash. All advances were paid on time and in full.

      If you don’t want it for good, there will be no way. Russia is ready to abandon Ukrainian production. Completely
      3. Europe and a little Ukraine.

      Ukraine has no gas. And will not be. Let’s release exactly as much as you pay per month.
      In order to ensure transit to Europe for the autumn-winter season 14 / 15, it is necessary to pump gas into the UGSF of Ukraine for 4-5 billions of dollars.

      If Ukraine does not have these billions, by autumn Europe will be left without gas.

      4. Ukraine and the European Union.

      The total amount of debts that may be presented to Ukraine is 16,6 billion dollars.

      Putin: I hope that the initiatives of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to level the situation, to change it for the better will have consequences and the result will be positive. In any case, I hope that temporarily acting at various levels will not do anything there that could not be fixed.

      Now add up.

      Temporarily acting at various levels, as Vladimir Vladimirovich politely called the junta, brought the situation to the brink, after the transition of which much can no longer be fixed.

      That’s the limit. Now, either the EU + USA + Ukraine immediately accepts the Russian conditions and immediately begin to implement the initiatives of our Foreign Ministry.

      Или:
      • Russia refuses all industrial orders in Ukraine. Losses of Ukraine will amount to 15 billion dollars annually. And irrevocably.
      • Russia closes its borders for Ukrainian goods and goods transit through Ukraine.
      • Russia closes a gas tap to Ukraine.
      • Russia exposes to Ukraine claims for covering debts in the amount of 16,6 billion dollars.
      • Russia does not guarantee gas to Europe for the coming fall / winter until payment of the missing volumes in the UGS facilities of Ukraine in the amount of $ 5 billion.

      This is essentially an ultimatum.

      And the ultimatum is not only for the junta and the European Union. For the rest (NATO and the USA) everything was clearly indicated earlier. This is the last chance to save the opportunity to rectify the situation. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that everyone understands this.

      The coming days will show.
      [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = UgzLPU5tZ7w & feature = player_embedded
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko April 11 2014 12: 34
        0
        clear conclusions, it’s high time to put the geyropu with cancer to show who is the boss in the house! angry now in Ukraine: take SE as they ask, and let the rest go to the EU and there they will be "happy" as they seem to be hi
  36. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich April 11 2014 10: 09
    +2
    In this situation, the main thing is not to miss the moment. The Anglo-Saxons sent their mercenaries, and this is a bad sign, and it smells of civilian.
  37. Danash I
    Danash I April 11 2014 10: 09
    +2
    THE AUTHOR AND THE ARTICLE - +. You will not envy, yes, and even pretend to be State Administration bodies. Such a bun, (from Putin) you will not be pampered with. It’s a pity and a shame for the people of doctors, plumbers, drivers, clerks, a cook
    s and janitors. It didn’t start yesterday, it won’t end tomorrow. And how? To help not help, the question is posed. Help! But from scratch. And I don’t understand such a message. And will they understand? Here's the question.
  38. kmike
    kmike April 11 2014 10: 10
    +2
    Lustration, lustration - yes there is one continuous pollution.
  39. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y April 11 2014 10: 12
    +3
    "Blow" into the pipe only what is to be supplied to Europe. And then - let Europe itself deal with them ...
    1. Egoza
      April 11 2014 11: 25
      0
      Quote: Dragon-y
      "Blow" into the pipe only what is to be supplied to Europe.

      And when "blowing in" is sure to put witnesses, that is, observers from Europe. So that later the Ukrainians could not push their theft to Russia!
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  41. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 11 2014 10: 13
    0
    A plus! Putin also defiantly held a meeting with ONF activists, removed 14 generals from their posts, and scheduled a direct conversation with the people on April 17. Shorter showed that he has something to do and inside the country. But he doesn’t let go of the rope of the entered Domoklov sword.
  42. Black
    Black April 11 2014 10: 14
    +4
    I think that everything will end with "coercion to federalization", with our guarantees of the integrity of Ukraine. This is the only thing that will keep Ukraine as a state, and of the West's face.
  43. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 April 11 2014 10: 14
    0
    Yeah! Not bright prospects for the junta, and for states with the European Union. It seems that it will be so, because everyone will be bitten over, and then they will regret the Maidan!
  44. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 11 2014 10: 15
    +1
    And Ukraine is stopping railway communication with Russia! Stupidly SELF-INSULATION! After all, die !!!
  45. sinukvl
    sinukvl April 11 2014 10: 15
    +1
    Evgeny Perebeyn it is unclear that a monstrous effort of will restrained from his traditionally dull humor with regard to the Russian Federation and forced out the following phrase through his oral opening: “When it comes to negotiations of this level (four-sided format), official representatives of states must take part in them».


    At least he understood what he said. Since when and by what laws did the persons who seized power as a result of an anti-constitutional coup suddenly become official representatives of the state. And if suddenly a "miracle" happened and they suddenly became officials, then just as you can safely say that the representatives of the South-East are the same officials, of the same state. Yes, it looks like there are big problems with the presence of gray matter in the skulls of the maydanutyh pravoseks.
  46. Artem1967
    Artem1967 April 11 2014 10: 18
    +1
    Objectively and fairly. You can shout "Ukraine tse Europe" for a long time and jump like a zombie, claiming that it is not m.s.k.a.l.i. A stalled economy, wild inflation will be sobering factors. It remains to make a choice with whom you, Ukrainians, are: with Western provocateurs or with the fraternal people of Russia.
  47. 111 soldier
    111 soldier April 11 2014 10: 18
    +3
    ultimatum before the storm !! soldier
  48. Zamachus
    Zamachus April 11 2014 10: 18
    .
    No one can turn off all this chatter, and gas can’t be connected either, as many people write here. Crimea many times comes up with money, everyone went to the Olympics and clamped it everywhere, but now they have their own cuts everywhere from medical staff to hard workers And they’re inviting them to rest there so that at the expense of our money to raise the Crimea, although there is nothing there and the price tag mom don’t cry easier to go abroad Stop in pink dreams fly yourself in a deep zhzhzhzh sit and Ukrainians do not pull economically
    1. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer April 11 2014 10: 42
      +3
      Quote: Zamachus
      although there is nothing there and the price tag mom do not cry

      The price tag there is really decent, but this is a resort and they are trying to earn for the season for the whole year. As for nothing there ... Are the sanatoriums already evaporated? So there is infrastructure there.
      1. Zamachus
        Zamachus April 11 2014 11: 06
        -2
        the infrastructure that has remained all killed during this time needs reconstruction; it’s crazy grandmothers sometimes it’s easier to break and do new things than pick old things. For such a service in 2 sheds, it’s the impudence of a few who wants to limit everything
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 11 2014 11: 06
      +4
      Fuck, not a single dot or comma. I almost broke my brain, sorting out this "flight" of thought through the gullies ...
      1. Zamachus
        Zamachus April 11 2014 11: 17
        0
        it’s good that there is something to break, and some stupidly rewrite what is written earlier and you think he read something or so he clapped his eyes
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 11 2014 12: 10
          0
          Shoot him, well, please ...
    3. solaco
      solaco April 11 2014 11: 14
      +3
      Quote: Zamachus
      And they invite you to rest there so that at the expense of our money you can raise the Crimea, although there is nothing there and the price tag mom don’t worry it’s easier to go abroad

      Here you are mistaken! For many years I go only to the Crimea, and I will only go there.
      The only problem now is travel through Ukraine (two borders extend the stay on the road by 4 hours). But you can also by plane.
      I don’t know how it will be this year (I think it will not be more expensive than in the past), but in the past the prices were reasonable. Fruits, vegetables, wine, everything is available.
      So welcome to our Russian Crimea!
      1. Zamachus
        Zamachus April 11 2014 11: 27
        -1
        I travel almost every year to Peresyp the price tags are almost the same, it’s cheaper to relax even in lousy Turkey where everything is included, our service is minimal. Money is more expensive, fruit is on the market
        more expensive than in Moscow, so I do not buy and try to convince when I see it all
        1. solaco
          solaco April 11 2014 11: 56
          0
          Quote: Zamachus
          fruits on the market are more expensive than in Moscow, so I don’t buy and try to convince when I see it all

          Well, why should I convince you?
          They left last year, and in Simferopol I spent the last 52 hryvnias (about 200 rubles) at a market near the station. With this money I bought two and a half kilos of cherries, a bunch of Yalta onions (pieces 17-18). All this was in mid-June .
          Now calculate how much I had to give for this in Moscow (you know the prices).
          When I returned home, I specifically asked, cherries cost 150-200 rubles, but I generally am silent about the Yalta onions.
          And this is near the station, where prices are much higher.
          Resting in Sudak.
        2. screw cutter
          screw cutter April 11 2014 16: 15
          0
          Before comparing prices in Moscow and the Crimea, you should taste these fruit-berries, but you won’t find any mulberries in Moscow.
          P.S.Pravda can be bought in the Crimea and Spanish grapes, it is cheaper. That's why in Crimea you can’t buy it so it’s bay leaf ...
  49. Rorabek
    Rorabek April 11 2014 10: 21
    +2
    "time to throw stones, and time to collect them" - simple and accurate
    1. xan
      xan April 11 2014 13: 40
      0
      Quote: Rorabek
      "time to scatter stones, and time to gather them

      Eternal phrase with killer meaning
  50. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 April 11 2014 10: 23
    +10
    I "liked" Shevchenko's yesterday's performance (with a small letter, because I am Shevchenko too, and I hate it like that ....) in PACE - Russians are good, kind. shelter, warm. feed and put to sleep. AND AT THE NIGHT CUT THROAT OUA-HA-HA-HA !!!! (wa-ha-ha-ha, it's me from myself, to make it worse)))
    ps G. N. I. D. A.