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We need to change the social order.

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(speech at the conference “The National Idea of ​​Russia versus the New World Order”)


I think that there is no need to talk for a long time about the fact that we are in the deepest pit. There was no such crushing and all-embracing catastrophe. history Russia. Its economic power has been destroyed, its state independence has been violated, the army, medicine, science and education have been ravaged, the original Russian culture has been completely destroyed, the level of morality has been sharply reduced. Only the Orthodox Church remained - this last stronghold of our Russian defense. If he falls, if the Church somehow conquers Catholicism, or simply becomes dead in her bureaucracy, then we can assume that Russia will no longer exist. Therefore, of the last strength, it is necessary to stand for Orthodoxy and support the Orthodox principle among the people. However, this is not enough. A change in the social order is also needed. And I would like to talk about this in more detail.

The fact is that it is the current capitalism that is the culprit and the universal cause of our catastrophe - it is now clear even to the blind and deaf. Imposed on us from the West, he became a ram who literally broke our Russian defense against world evil. And no wonder: capitalism is absolutely incompatible with the Russian mentality.

First of all, capitalism is unfair. In a market economy, an economically stronger one has more opportunities to twist the arms of a weaker one. Therefore, the rich get richer even more, and the poor take away what they have. This has long been reliably established by many honest economists. But capitalism brings the market to the point of absurdity - literally anything and everything is sold, including the money itself. And all the injustice and cruelty of the capitalist economy, our people now feel fully. And it must be said that a keen sense of justice is one of the most characteristic features of a Russian person.

Further, capitalism is sinful and simply depraved. Sin, as you know, is attractive, and therefore its sale is economically advantageous. And this means that capitalism, for which there is only profit, will always strive to exaggerate sin, to legalize it, to spread - in general, to give it an attractive presentation. And we all know what vulgarity, vileness and obsceneness pours and flows to our people in the form of goods, and not only in the form of books, cinema, music, theaters, television, the Internet - now all cultural phenomena have also been sold. All this is a direct threat to those traditional family and cultural values, thanks to which our people survived in the most difficult circumstances.

Finally, capitalism destroys our faith. Capitalism is not just practical materialism (as Berdyaev, for example, thought). No, he goes much further and turns into a religion - the religion of money, the worship of mammon - this modern face of Satan. Therefore, the words of the Savior “You cannot serve God and mammon” means that capitalism, as a service to mammon, is incompatible with Christianity. The Russian people have always been suspicious of wealth and despised gain. But now the mammon has lashed out everyone, made everyone work for himself. And therefore this terrible substitution of Christ by the mammon is performed, unfortunately, and in our people, disfiguring his moral character.

As we see, not only material, but mainly spiritual catastrophe carries within itself capitalism. And so for us it is destructive. We must face the truth and understand that under the rule of capitalism, Russia will never rise from its knees, never become Holy Russia. On the contrary, capitalism literally erases our civilization from the face of the earth. And therefore this system must by all means be eliminated and replaced by another. Which one Firstly, it’s fair, and secondly, it uplifts the spirituality of our people. The combination of these two conditions is satisfied only by Orthodox socialism. This system, the ideological core of which are Christian moral values, and the economy - such as the Stalinist, based on the nationalization of the means of production. Now this point of view is gaining more and more supporters, and it is among Orthodox Christians. However, many objections.

One of them is that the first in importance is not a socio-economic system, but a form of government. Orthodox monarchy is the social ideal of many church people. It is in it that the solution to all problems is sought. They say, “if only we had the Tsar, the anointed one - and he will decide what to do and what the economic structure should be”. This is a rather naive view. The fact is that before any king anyway there will be a question of a social order. For there is no monarchical system, but there is a capitalist system and a socialist system, and it is possible to choose at the present stage only from these two. And it is not difficult to predict the fate of the monarchy in both cases. Capitalist choice means that the property remains in the hands of the oligarchs, and therefore the actual power. The oligarchy himself wants to rule and multiply his power, and therefore he either destroys the monarchy, or makes it doll-decorative, powerless and powerless. This is undoubtedly shown by the whole history of the New Age, including the history of Russia. Conversely, under socialism, the monarch is the actual holder of all the economic resources of the country, and therefore has a truly autocratic power, which he has every opportunity to use for the benefit of the people and to build a great Russia. How can you not remember the example of Stalin. It turns out that only socialism can in the future become the basis for the revival of genuine autocracy. Thus, the goal of social change is the creation of a fertile social system; power is only the instrument of this creation.

However, they say: “Well, how can Orthodoxy and socialism be combined? This is absurd. After all, the Bolsheviks destroyed temples, killed priests and so on. " I will answer. Yes, our Church underwent the most brutal persecutions under the Bolsheviks. About one hundred thousand active believers were repressed, of which about 40% were shot or died in camps. And it would be the greatest injustice of this grave sin to hush up or downplay. The Lord punished the murderers - the Bolshevik case, as we know, was destroyed.

However, the bill, unfortunately, can be presented to the church side. The fact is that for a long time our Orthodox theologians distorted the Gospel and Patristic property doctrine, as a result of which it turned into an apology for private property. Especially strongly these distortions were made in the period of the end of the XIX - beginning of the XX centuries. Then, many articles criticizing atheistic socialism appeared in our theological journals. However, the controversy was conducted according to the principle: “if socialism is for public property, then in order to refute it it is necessary to advocate for private property”. As a result, the whole campaign turned into a justification for centuries of unjust property relations. In fact, the Church began to shield capitalism, which at that time was actively developing in Russia. This violation of gospel truth is also a sin. Of course, this is a sin of a completely different nature than murder and persecution. But since the Church is the guardian of God's righteousness, this sin cannot be qualified as insignificant. And the Lord also punished this sin, and through the same Bolsheviks, because of the wrong social position, the Church fell into class enemies, which led to persecution.

What is the way out of this historically established confrontation between socialism and Christianity? Only one: it is necessary to drop mutual accusations and start a dialogue from scratch. The church must be a Christian forgive offenders. And the Communists need to drive out of their ranks Trotskyist atheists, who are fiercely opposed to rapprochement with the Church.

Then Russia can enter the real path of building Christian socialism. This path, as it seems, is indicated by the Lord himself. And Russia from all sides tried to implement it. Once - from the side of Orthodoxy, having created the Orthodox Empire; the other is from socialism, which has built a state of social justice. And only the tragic inability to combine these ideas, has not yet given the opportunity to realize Orthodox socialism.

However, we have no other way.
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  1. Uncle
    Uncle April 11 2014 16: 44
    -9
    Russia, as an Orthodox country, needs a monarchy. I hope that all kinds of secretaries-general and presidents will sink into oblivion and the head of state will be called the Tsar.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik April 11 2014 16: 48
      +24
      Uncle (1) RU  Today, 16: 44
      the head of state will be called the King.


      ,,, uh, let's not go deep negative , and to the nobles with slaves according to your thoughts not far stop
      1. 787nkx
        787nkx April 11 2014 16: 53
        +3
        and to the nobles with the slaves according to your thoughts not far

        Eh, to a young, unmarried lady - a slave, very good.
        1. volot-voin
          volot-voin April 11 2014 16: 56
          +6
          And with a young widow, even better. True, sometimes they can carve)))
          1. Turkir
            Turkir April 11 2014 17: 26
            +3
            You write "with a young widow," but I see that you wanted to write "with a young, rich widow." wink
            1. atalef
              atalef April 11 2014 17: 41
              0
              Quote: Turkir
              You write "with a young widow," but I see that you wanted to write "with a young, rich widow."

              well, wealth, in general. still no widow did not interfere.
              Just how many husbands she LOOSE. what would wealth earn? wassat
              1. jjj
                jjj April 11 2014 18: 07
                +1
                Quote: Uncle
                Russia, as an Orthodox country, needs a monarchy

                But for all that, His Holiness is an elected position
                1. Uncle
                  Uncle April 11 2014 18: 54
                  -4
                  Quote: jjj
                  But for all that, His Holiness is an elected position

                  So the king was chosen, popularly, here democracy is so democracy.
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        3. bubalik
          bubalik April 11 2014 16: 58
          +2
          787nkx RU  Today, 16: 53
          Eh, to a young, unmarried lady - a slave, very good.


          ,,, not typed so much requestladies. ,,
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        5. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov April 11 2014 17: 27
          +8
          Quote: 787nkx
          Eh, to a young, unmarried lady - a slave, very good.

          wink Well, play role-playing games! In real life, why carry it over?
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ April 11 2014 17: 07
        +17
        The practice of the development of the socialist state in Russia proves that only in the JUST socialist structure of the state with the predominant state ownership of the main state-forming sectors of the PEOPLE ECONOMY can Russia develop successfully.
        Power should belong to the Councils of People's Deputies, and not to officials.
        Any power (legislative, executive, judicial) is elected and subordinate to the whole people.
        The temporarily elected Leader of the state, acting in the strict framework of the law and bearing criminal responsibility for his work as the Leader of the state, acts in the interests of the whole people according to strictly prescribed laws.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 17: 31
          +4
          Quote: vladimirZ
          elected and subordinate to the whole people,

          You can inspire the people and call them to the Maidan, political technologies have been worked out. An uncontested power is needed. The idea of ​​autocracy is not as vicious as it is portrayed. There is such a book - "Project Russia", just about the modern version of autocracy, it has one drawback - it was written for Putin, but otherwise everything is correct. Democracy is flawed because as a rule, crooks climb into power, undercover games are alien to honest people. inherited power also does not exclude tyrants, but according to the theory of probability there are fewer of them than under the current system. And the tsar is more difficult to "buy", because for him the state is inherited property, and not a temporary feeding trough. Something like this. hi
        2. Defender
          Defender April 11 2014 17: 52
          -4
          Quote vladimirZ Any power (legislative, executive, judicial) is elected and subordinate to the whole people.

          It is necessary to find out the concept of people. All residents of the country cannot be a people, because among them there may be persons incapable of making adequate independent decisions or elections. I propose the concept and status of a citizen as in the days of the Roman Republic or citizenship like Greek policies. That is, introduce qualifications for citizenship.

          The temporarily elected Leader of the state, acting in the strict framework of the law and bearing criminal responsibility for his work as the Leader of the state, acts in the interests of the whole people according to strictly prescribed laws.

          I propose an elected monarchy as in Byzantium.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 17: 59
            +1
            Quote: Defender
            I propose an elected monarchy as in Byzantium.

            also not an option, the temptation to sit down the predecessor is great, in the history of the same Byzantium there are many examples. Only heredity.
            1. jjj
              jjj April 11 2014 18: 14
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              Quote: Defender
              I propose an elected monarchy

              So we have a presidential republic. The highest person of state power is the president. His rights are consistent with the rights of the monarch. Only the term of stay in power is limited and it is impossible to transfer power by inheritance. I believe that thereby achieved a balance.
              Of course, the state should take care of the small, old, service and sick. And young, strong, energetic provide an opportunity to build their own destiny
            2. Wheel
              Wheel April 11 2014 20: 20
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              also not an option, the temptation to sit down the predecessor is great, in the history of the same Byzantium there are many examples. Only heredity.

              And heirs, they are such heirs!
              Stir in the kernel, or organize the renunciation ... so easy!
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 21: 01
                0
                Quote: Wheel
                Stir in the kernel, or organize the renunciation ... so easy!

                Perhaps, but more difficult than paying for your candidate and the media.
                1. Wheel
                  Wheel April 11 2014 21: 39
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                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Perhaps, but more difficult than paying for your candidate and the media.

                  What is more difficult?
                  He hugged dad affectionately and affectionately with his knife, knife.
                  No spending ...
      3. mongoose
        mongoose April 11 2014 17: 37
        +3
        and well, you serve the Fatherland, repeat here you have the nobility, caught on a foreign grant, welcome to the lackeys
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 11 2014 20: 21
          +1
          Quote: mongoose
          and it’s good, you are serving the Fatherland, here’s the nobility for you, you’ve been caught on a foreign grant, welcome to the lackeys

          And if you just honestly plow the land?
      4. 120352
        120352 April 12 2014 00: 15
        0
        In Europe there are quite a lot of monarchies (Great Britain, Spain, the Netherlands. Norway, etc.), but I didn’t meet anything lackeys there. And they live well. But for Russia now the monarchy is irrelevant, although the socio-political system that completely satisfies me today is very close to it.
        Serfs, however sad it may sound, today live in "democratic", "veche" Ukraine. And in general, there seems to be feudalism.
        For the monarchy, the nobility is more necessary, as a variant of the social elevator.
      5. smoke
        smoke April 12 2014 10: 29
        0
        that’s not the point.
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    3. Sid.74
      Sid.74 April 11 2014 17: 05
      +1
      Quote: Uncle
      Russia, as an Orthodox country, needs a monarchy. I hope that all kinds of secretaries-general and presidents will sink into oblivion and the head of state will be called the Tsar.

      Yes, at least as you call a monarchy, democracy, communism !!! The first person in Russia, whether the secretary general or even the president, is a kind of personification of the tsar!
      The model should be Scandinavian, like Finland’s Social Democracy! What are we slowly going to!
      1. muks
        muks April 11 2014 17: 26
        +2
        Scandinavian? In Sweden, drunken people are lying around (in Stockholm), local law enforcement officers are not entitled to deliver them to the camp. What is happening THERE throughout Scandinia with children, you know? Not watched by the Finns in Helsinki? Constantly eating sausages and drinking beer? It was not appropriate to copy RUSSIA - there were zemstvo assemblies in the state to which the most worthy CITIZENS were elected, while there was no discussion about any parties! The ideal form of government for RUSSIA is MONARCHY ... Lost, unfortunately, irretrievably! We need, need, JUST and REASONABLE government. It is necessary that people BELIEVE the authorities ... and this, unfortunately, is science fiction! But everything is not so bad - the quantity goes into quality!
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 April 11 2014 18: 29
          -1
          Quote: muks
          Scandinavian? In Sweden, drunken people are lying around (in Stockholm), local law enforcement officers are not entitled to deliver them to the camp.

          You dear, about extremes! They are everywhere drunk and all sorts of others!
          But the level of courts and criminal justice was recognized as the best in the world! Finland continues to be one of the least corrupt countries of the European Union! Finland is recognized as the best country in the world for motherhood! In the annual ranking of the World Economic Forum, Finland ranked third (after Switzerland and Singapore) in the 2013 year! Finland is among the countries with the cleanest environmental environment The issue of toughening the wording of the criminal code in the field of environmental crimes is being examined! The average life expectancy of Finnish women is 83,4 and men is 77,5 years! Finland is one of the leading countries in the world in terms of per capita GDP - 34 585 US dollars (at purchasing power parity ) or 44 488 US dollars (at nominal value) according to 2010 year!
          I think there is something to learn from them! what
          1. muks
            muks April 11 2014 19: 26
            +3
            I absolutely agree with you - it is NECESSARY to study! There is statistics, and Finland is "ahead of all Europe" ... Unfortunately, no one conducted research on the NUMBER of BALAEK and MATRYOSHEK bought by the "poor Chukhonts" ("The Bronze Horseman" A. Pushkin) With a population of 5 million people (with a small one), they purchased such a number of balalaikas and nesting dolls that there are fifty for each! Moreover, they continue to buy! Together with cult objects for drunken Finns, money is being bought up ... of the times of Alexander Fedorovich Kerensky, EMPRESS Catherine, Khrushchev and Brezhnev rubles. They also buy black caviar ... which turns out to be sago in shoe polish. It all depends on the degree to which the buyer is sanctified. And the point is not that "over the hill" OURS are also good - but show me a RUSSIAN who (regardless of the amount of vodka) will buy a pipe from a gramophone? This is definitely not the best quality of the Finns ... Their ecology is excellent! They are at US, in RUSSIA, they are doing dirty tricks, they are chopping down timber, they have built woodworking factories - and they take care of their own forest! And I agree - you need to learn from them so as to cut down their forest. And take care of yours! They learned to drink vodka from us - what's the point? Regarding the "best country for motherhood" ... ARE YOU sure that those forms of social control, supervision, prohibitions for parents are acceptable in RUSSIA? There, everything is alien to us - and in fact, the counters are extras, and determining "which is better" were guided by what? What are the criteria? And what do the assessments and statistics of Europe, America, Africa, the Arctic and Antarctica have in common with Russian life?
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 April 11 2014 21: 55
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              Quote: muks
              There, everything is alien to us - and in fact, the counters are extras, and determining "which is better" were guided by what? What are the criteria? And what do the assessments and statistics of Europe, America, Africa, the Arctic and Antarctica have in common with Russian life?

              Yes, I don’t dispute, but the control should be strict both in ecology and social spheres, without excesses, but strict! In Russia, we also take children to orphanages, but I have not seen much protest!
              I did not call to blindly copy everything in Finland, but raising the standard of living to their level would be wonderful!
          2. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
            Mihaylo Tishayshiy April 11 2014 20: 04
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            Quote: Sid.74
            But the level of courts and criminal justice was recognized as the best in the world!


            Quote: Sid.74
            ! Finland recognized as the best country in the world for motherhood!

            Who is recognized? By themselves, or by other gay people? We are here behind the events in Ukraine forgot Russian children, who in Finland are easily and without any trial taken from their parents. Apparently Russian mothers living in Finland and not suspecting their happiness are the worst in the world? You should better tell them about justice and happy motherhood.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And what does the Norwegian model not like?

            Yes, the same!
            We in Russia only lacked gay-European values, now we will rush to adopt them! It is not possible to cross the mentality of one people with the "model" of the state structure of another.
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 April 11 2014 21: 45
              0
              Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
              living in Finland and not suspecting their happiness - the worst in the world? You should better tell them about justice and happy motherhood.

              It was not I who hung such regalia to them, but all sorts of advice and organizations from Europe and not only!
              The fact that Russian families in Finland suffered is a fact! But for the Finns themselves the situation is different!

              Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
              We in Russia only lacked geyropey values, now let's rush to adopt them!

              Let it be for you, what for everything to adopt, take from their models everything you need, the rest, together with pi .... mi to the dump of history!
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 17: 33
        0
        Quote: Sid.74
        like Finland's social democracy

        And what does the Norwegian model not like?
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 April 11 2014 18: 31
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And what does the Norwegian model not like?

          So the kingdom is like !!!
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 19: 02
            +1
            Quote: Sid.74
            So the kingdom is like !!!

            Monarchy, but a social society.
      3. Uncle
        Uncle April 11 2014 18: 55
        +1
        Quote: Sid.74
        The first person in Russia, whether the secretary general or even the president, is a kind of personification of the tsar!

        The king has a "mandate" from the Lord God. Confirmation is called.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 11 2014 20: 34
          +1
          Quote: Uncle
          The king has a "mandate" from the Lord God. Confirmation is called.

          1 Let every soul be submissive to the highest authorities, for there is no authority not from God; the existing authorities from God are established.
          2 Therefore, those who oppose authority oppose God's order. And those who oppose themselves will bring judgment upon themselves.
          (Rom. 13: 1,2)

          Something like this ...
    4. Nickanor
      Nickanor April 11 2014 17: 14
      +4
      IMHO Socialism is the best response of the world shit democracy.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: Nickanor
        Socialism is the best response of world crap democracy.

        In Norway, the monarchy, and the welfare state. Socialism is better than democracy, but still not perfect - there is no continuity, or rather, there is no incentive for it. Socialism is more reminiscent of the political system of Byzantium, not in essence and system, but in the transfer of power. Gorbachev and Yeltsin we received in this way. hi
      2. jjj
        jjj April 11 2014 18: 16
        0
        Quote: Nickanor
        IMHO Socialism is the best response of the world shit democracy.

        Wittily noticed. I’ll add: on the principle of democratic centralism
    5. 225chay
      225chay April 11 2014 17: 21
      +2
      Quote: Uncle
      Russia, as an Orthodox country, needs a monarchy. I hope that all kinds of secretaries-general and presidents will sink into oblivion and the head of state will be called the Tsar.

      They, these very ones from the "New World Order" will find you a king, and a secretary general and a president with a pharaoh from their ...
    6. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic April 11 2014 17: 24
      +2
      The Vatican is always confused at the feet of Russia and the West is climbing under any pretext. When Orthodox priests raised the people to fight the invader, then Russia coped. In the 20th century, the church took on fashion for liberal ideas, and as a result, Russia miraculously resisted losing part of its territory. When the fashion for liberal ideas came to the USSR, the USSR split into independent republics. Look at the history of the Vatican and the sectarians, then at the present state of the West.

      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 17: 43
        0
        Quote: schizophrenic
        In the 20th century, the church took on fashion for liberal ideas and, as a result, Russia

        In the 19th century. Now the situation is similar, since the Russian Orthodox Church has been reborn spiritually in a liberally decomposed form. Who cares, read Diomede, Archbishop of Chukchi.
    7. DS22
      DS22 April 11 2014 17: 25
      0
      Well, yes, King, just a King .... lol
    8. alicante11
      alicante11 April 11 2014 17: 36
      +2
      Russia, as an Orthodox country, needs a monarchy. I hope that all kinds of secretaries-general and presidents will sink into oblivion and the head of state will be called the Tsar.


      What's the difference what you call it? The main thing is that a person is good, otherwise we have one here - a "tsar", after whom Russia is not left, but there was a general secretary, after whom Russia became the second superpower in the world. That's it.
      1. mark7
        mark7 April 11 2014 19: 08
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        Russia has become the world's second superpower.

        not the second, but the first including space
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 April 12 2014 03: 08
          0
          not the second, but the first including space


          Yes, something I didn’t really freeze, that’s what twenty-year propaganda does to people :(.
    9. atalef
      atalef April 11 2014 17: 39
      +3
      Quote: Uncle
      Russia as an Orthodox country

      Dmitry, what about the constitution?

      Article 14

      1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory.

      2. Religious associations are separate from the state and equal before the law.

      Quote: Uncle
      need a monarchy. I hope that all kinds of secretaries-general and presidents will sink into oblivion and the head of state will be called the Tsar.

      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 17: 57
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Dmitry, what about the constitution?

        Hello Leo Orthodox! hi Faith must! to be alone, and at the official level. Orthodoxy (catholic Christianity) never initiated persecutions of other religions, if they did not climb into Orthodoxy itself with the "best" ideas (Zhidovstv. laughing ).
        The secular type of state allows closed sects, usually religiously alien to the main population, to come to power. What we see today in most secular states.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 11 2014 20: 36
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Faith must! to be alone, and at the official level. Orthodoxy (catholic Christianity) has never initiated persecutions against other religions, if they did not climb into Orthodoxy itself with "better" ideas (Zhidovstvuyushchie).

          Well, why is it so categorical?
          Forgot the schism?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 21: 08
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            Quote: Wheel
            Forgot the schism?

            The split is a dark matter, it’s difficult to clearly judge. But Vera then remained the same. There must be a balance between religion and the state. Ancestors were wiser -
            There is an invisible battle between Belobog and Chernobog, and Perun makes sure that no one gets the upper hand
            Although this principle worked under the alliance - the KGB \ Ministry of Internal Affairs.
            1. Wheel
              Wheel April 11 2014 21: 51
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The split is a dark matter, it’s difficult to clearly judge. But Vera then remained the same. There must be a balance between religion and the state.
              What is the balance?
              Power, if it was in force, always controlled the church.
              The same Alexei Mikhailovich, as he called Nikon, sent him to disgrace, the churchmen annoyed Peter Alekseevich in general, and without hesitation, he took over the patriarchate. Stalin needed support - he restored the rights of the church.
              T.O. the church in Russia was always fulfilling the order of power.
              What is the balance?
              As for the split - the conversation is long, you are right.
    10. the polar
      the polar April 11 2014 19: 07
      +2
      Quote: Uncle
      Russia, as an Orthodox country, needs a monarchy. I hope that all kinds of secretaries-general and presidents will sink into oblivion and the head of state will be called the Tsar.

      Well, how can a slave live without a king. Ass flogged ass with a long time, but instead of the oligarchs, the boyars will be driven to corvee. Not raspberry, but raspberry.
      Correctly the Russian proverb says, "they don't make fools, they will be born themselves."
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 12 2014 03: 17
        0
        Well, how can a slave live without a king. Ass flogged ass with a long time, but instead of the oligarchs, the boyars will be driven to corvee. Not raspberry, but raspberry.


        Well, now, isn't it? Isn't it corvee - when the director "overseer" gets 200tyr, and the turner - 20tyr. (and this ratio is considered divine). And how much does the owner of the enterprise - "boyar" have? Kohl can some Chelsea over the hill contain ...
        With whips, the situation is better. But capitalism is still developing ahead, there, you look and move on to a new formation. True, while in this respect the West is ahead, fortunately. But in this case it would be better never than later.

        The question is not how to name it, but the essence. Look at what our "Western partners" are preparing for us (and for their dibiloids). "The Hunger Games" is a cool movie. Do you want this? And there are quite a few such films. They cook, or nostalgic, which, they say, does not work out for a long time. So the lord's whip may seem like a native to some of the descendants.
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 11 2014 16: 47
    +4
    We need to change the social order.

    yah? and we didn’t even guess recourse
    that the author all in one saucepan mixed faith and the tsar and the teachings of Marx and the Bolsheviks. but it seems like yes, everything came across ... but some kind of logic in the article is dotted.
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx April 11 2014 16: 53
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      <...> but some kind of logic in the article is dotted.

      +1
      It’s generally taut with logic.
      I have never heard anything more delusional than "Orthodox socialism".
      Usually these games are played by crazy grandmothers and grandfathers, who were ardent communists during the Soviet era, and then turned into such Orthodox socialists. Listen to them - you can lose your mind.

      If the author had in mind the example of Israel, which in a certain sense, but not in all, can be called a socialist country, then yes. But Israel is not a socialist system, as such.
  3. shibi
    shibi April 11 2014 16: 48
    +6
    And why do so many priests ride expensive cars?
    1. Blot
      Blot April 11 2014 16: 54
      +3
      Yes, they certainly did not watch "The Island" ...
    2. 787nkx
      787nkx April 11 2014 16: 55
      +1
      What are in the garage of the heavenly office, and those ride.
    3. Turkir
      Turkir April 11 2014 17: 27
      +1
      The donkeys are gone.
    4. muks
      muks April 11 2014 17: 31
      +1
      Priests are employees of an institution called a church. And VERA ORTHODOX is somewhat different ... Look, not all "priests" are priests, there are also priests, only in large cities, by definition, it is very difficult to find them! Vanity, you know!
      1. Gorinich
        Gorinich April 12 2014 00: 37
        +1
        Somewhat inaccurate: Priests are workers commercial an institution called a church.
  4. 787nkx
    787nkx April 11 2014 16: 48
    -1
    The combination of these two conditions satisfies only Orthodox socialism. This is a system whose ideological core is Christian moral values, and the economy is of the Stalinist type, based on the nationalization of the means of production

    Can orthodox kingdom , this is closer to our mentality.
  5. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx April 11 2014 16: 49
    +3
    Christian socialism? Was capitalism rammed? What a stupid thing ...
    It's not about the system, but about those who are sitting at the helm. At the economic helm, at the political helm. And then again it turns out that we will give a new name to the ship and it will immediately sail faster and smoother.
    And then, first you need to look at who our capitalists are and how they got start-up capital. That's when the prosecutors deal with these ghouls, and the state will nevertheless take on a slightly larger part of the functions of regulating the economy, then there will be order. And so of course, they took half of the country in the 90's, took the loot abroad, how could it be good then?
    However, at the end of the 18-th beginning of the 19-th century, Russia was a capitalist country and ahead of many European countries in terms of growth.

    It seems that the author simply wants to strengthen the influence of the church on the leadership and economy of the country.
    1. 225chay
      225chay April 11 2014 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: Al_lexx
      we need to see who our capitalists are and how they got start-up capital. That's when the prosecutors deal with these ghouls, and the state will nevertheless take on a slightly larger part of the functions of regulating the economy, then there will be order. And so of course, in the 90s they seized half of the country, loot was exported abroad, how can it be good then?

      Ha-ha! "privatizers" minus you! They don't like the truth!
      I will say more: When these privatizers and oligarchs are shot, then calm in Russia will come and economic recovery!
    2. muks
      muks April 11 2014 17: 52
      +3
      You, dear, refresh your memory of the KPSS program! And then take the GOSPEL ... Yes, it's not about the order! And it's not about those who "sit" (why so immediately?) At the helm! The point, it seems to me, is that the head of the STATE is in the head. The royal offspring, heirs, were prepared for the reign of the EMPIRE. I think there is no reason to doubt the quality of the teaching staff? Regarding the analysis of the "ghouls" by the prosecutor's office ... Pavel Ivanovich Yaguzhinsky, the first PROSECUTOR OF THE EMPIRE, has more than once turned over in his grave from the eccentricities of this department at the present time! But the "ghouls" fought, fought, shot, killed, lied ... whatever! FOR MONEY, POWER, PROPERTY. The days of chocolate existence under the USSR are over, the state is now rebuilt, and you owe nothing! Only you owe it! But at the same time I got the choice - HOW. What is politics? Concentrated Economy! So you won't find an oligarch here! In the USSR, everyone is VELI - from birth to death. And I'm not saying at all that this is bad - but there was a STATE! Responsible to people, rigidly centralized. To evict a PERSON on the street, and even show IT on TV ... you know! Sacks of drugs, herds of professional women, personal dirty underpants of all "stars" .... And Dmitry Anatolyevich with permission to sow genetically modified grains and a foul "norm" of consumption. Electricity. Water. Is there no air on the list?
  6. Saburo
    Saburo April 11 2014 16: 54
    +3
    Aha-aha, only the Russian Orthodox National Communist autocracy will save the Motherland! No other way.
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx April 11 2014 16: 57
      +1
      Exactly with the Kazakh-Belorussian bias.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS April 11 2014 17: 17
        +2
        Quote: 787nkx
        Exactly with the Kazakh-Belorussian bias.


        With a Kazakh-Belarusian bias and a Chinese model with a borrowing of Western European experience ...
    2. RUSS
      RUSS April 11 2014 17: 15
      0
      Quote: Saburo
      Aha-aha, only the Russian Orthodox National Communist autocracy will save the Motherland! No other way.


      Now many are trying to combine and unite all the best - taking all the "most-most" of the Russian Empire and the USSR, the idea is good, but I'm afraid on the verge of utopia.
      1. Saburo
        Saburo April 11 2014 18: 06
        0
        If you take it seriously ... However, it doesn’t matter. Aren't you serious? And then I'm expecting anything here.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS April 12 2014 11: 17
          0
          Quote: Saburo
          Aren't you serious? And then I'm expecting anything here.


          If this is addressed to me, then of course not seriously.
  7. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 April 11 2014 16: 55
    0
    Indeed, for not a quarter of a century, spirituality has been thoroughly destroyed, for sure.
  8. Aleksandr68
    Aleksandr68 April 11 2014 16: 56
    +1
    I didn’t read it to the end. The fifth column decided to go from the other end. I wish they had not touched the holy!
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx April 11 2014 17: 02
      +3
      Quote: Aleksandr68
      I didn’t read it to the end. The fifth column decided to go from the other end. I wish they had not touched the holy!

      +1

      The article is almost 100% provocative. And most importantly, that is very sophisticated and stupid.
  9. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin April 11 2014 16: 56
    +3
    The biggest victory of the moneybags is that they were able to convince the population that the formations were limited by capitalism and socialism. But, I think, this is not for long, soon a new idea will appear.
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx April 11 2014 17: 05
      +3
      Quote: HollyGremlin
      The biggest victory of the moneybags is that they were able to convince the population that the formations were limited by capitalism and socialism. But, I think, this is not for long, soon a new idea will appear.

      Yes, they already have these ideas. For example, in China, the de jure socialist system, and the leading role belongs to the CPC, but this does not prevent them from developing the economy according to the capitalist scenario. Iran is an Islamic republic in general and it is very difficult to understand what kind of system it is. There are other examples ..
    2. 225chay
      225chay April 11 2014 17: 30
      0
      Quote: HollyGremlin
      But, I think, this is not for long, soon a new idea will appear.


      "These same" ideas have thousands of hundreds of years ahead ... only one idea has died, and they are still new to you - zap..r..a..t..b the brains of the people and back to the stall
  10. Altona
    Altona April 11 2014 16: 56
    +6
    The state should be secular, the church should be separated from the state ...GOD GOD'S KESAR KESAREV...When Orthodoxy is interpreted too broadly, social tension does not decrease, but only grows ...
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx April 11 2014 17: 06
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      The state should be secular, the church should be separated from the state ...GOD GOD'S KESAR KESAREV...When Orthodoxy is interpreted too broadly, social tension does not decrease, but only grows ...

      Totally agree!

      ZY
      I myself am a believer.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx April 11 2014 17: 18
        0
        I have a feeling that a religious fanatic with a communist bias has started up in VO. laughing
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic April 11 2014 17: 38
          0
          Quote: Altona
          The state must be secular,

          In our time, yes, but we need leaders who can lead others at the moment. The Orthodox faith is one of the most tolerant since it contains an attempt to explain that a person should take care of himself and be responsible for his own affairs.
        2. dimdimich71
          dimdimich71 April 11 2014 17: 52
          +1
          Holy Russia! Keep the Orthodox faith, in it is the statement for you! in vain you are like that - a fanatic, and I think many will support me !!!
    2. varov14
      varov14 April 11 2014 17: 38
      +1
      It has long been for planned socialism, with elements of private ownership in the production of goods in group B and trade. The church should be separated from the state, and for God's sake go to the church or to the mosque, one does not interfere with the other.
      1. varov14
        varov14 April 11 2014 17: 57
        +1
        I want to add that the Soviets should have power, although the name can be different, but the minimum system should be bipartisan. The central idea and the alternative, otherwise there will be no development. On the other hand, thanks to the one-party system, the Soviet Union collapsed - the party at some point became corrupt, an enemy of the state. Those who disagree, then the GKChP were immediately declared enemies, even with at least two partisanship this would, in principle, be impossible, since the alternative to opinions was in the blood of the population.
  11. Signaller
    Signaller April 11 2014 16: 57
    +2
    YESAAAAA. Deeply digging our religious philosophers. Deep.
    So you can get to the bottom of the creation of Paradise on earth. Like All according to needs. And from them according to their abilities. Type Communism came to us again. Yes, we swam already, we know. Meryl is that ????? How to measure your labor participation ????? Only money. Like to forget about it. ???? It didn’t work out, even in the years BC, simple salt was a measure of labor. From here it all begins. You can want a lot. So that all are equal, so that the 10 commandments are fulfilled. But somehow it cannot do without mammon. Therefore, we must still think and think about finding that measure. After all, it is clear to everyone - there is never anything in common. To each his own. To the mamma, to whom bliss, to whom the bubble is foggy.
  12. siberalt
    siberalt April 11 2014 16: 58
    +1
    Well, Berdyaev is not a "fountain", although he is very interesting in his conclusions. The stronghold is not the church, but the Orthodox faith once appropriated by it. Come on, who will remember the old ... What is - that is ours. In the Russian world, all churches become Orthodox. And there is no doubt that all confessions defending Orthodoxy also need state protection.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 11 2014 18: 12
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      The stronghold is not a church, but the Orthodox faith once appropriated by it.

      Good for you! good And about Berdyaev correctly noticed. drinks
  13. homosum20
    homosum20 April 11 2014 17: 00
    +2
    ".. This path, as it seems, is indicated to us by the Lord himself ..."
    Damn, US - this is for me too after all! How did I not notice? No, I am sinful - sometimes I am drunk. None is the same as not to notice the Lord showing me the way.
    Or maybe this author is so gathered that he was indicated separately from everyone (called state: squirrel) by our God?
    In general, everything that he wanted to indicate is indicated in the Gospel. And it is unlikely that Nikolay (Somin), he will individually and personally indicate something exclusive.
    Why are we Russians so addicted to extremes?
  14. volot-voin
    volot-voin April 11 2014 17: 01
    +2
    The state must be uniquely secular. For example, I consider any Christianity an instrument of world Zionism))) Have you read the Bible? Are there many Slavs or Slavs there?)))) However, I will not go into religion, gentlemen respect your feelings, the main thing is that you would love your homeland and be ready to protect it if you need to.
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam April 11 2014 17: 08
      0
      I would put five pluses if there was such an opportunity.
  15. Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA April 11 2014 17: 03
    0
    All in one heap, he said, why said. The church keeps up to date, formerly imperialism, now capitalism, but it’s better that way. We just know what the church will turn into in a democracy, same-sex marriage, and more. Our system is not bad, but you need to add a couple of patches to it and prohibit cheats from oligarchs.
  16. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich April 11 2014 17: 05
    +6
    The best results were under socialism, a historical fact.
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx April 11 2014 17: 09
      -1
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      The best results were under socialism, a historical fact.

      Right. But at what cost?
      Let's turn the whole country into a concentration camp. Then we will begin such an industrial, economic, etc. growth, that everyone will get fucked up.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam April 11 2014 17: 24
        0
        I heard that the Yankos 6 million prisoners, private prisons, prison production. What is not the end camp? Plant the entire population of the cities of Novosibirsk (population of 1,47 million), Yekaterinburg (population of 1,35 million), Nizhny Novgorod (population of 1,25 million), Samara (population of 1,16 million), Omsk (population of 1,15 million) and make them work for nothing. Immediately configure the carriers not a couple of the 6 fleet, fly to the Moon and Mars. Rogozin said that there is everything in the country for this.

        Yeah. Every joke has a fraction of a joke.
        laughing
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 April 11 2014 17: 53
        0
        Quote: Al_lexx
        Right. But at what cost?
        Let's turn the whole country into a concentration camp. Then we will begin such an industrial, economic, etc. growth, that everyone will get fucked up.


        Will not start. Because the growth of the economy under the Stalinist model of socialism was not due to camps.
        1. Al_lexx
          Al_lexx April 11 2014 19: 36
          0
          Quote: IS-80
          Quote: Al_lexx
          Right. But at what cost?
          Let's turn the whole country into a concentration camp. Then we will begin such an industrial, economic, etc. growth, that everyone will get fucked up.


          Will not start. Because the growth of the economy under the Stalinist model of socialism was not due to camps.

          I was ironic.
          It is a pity that sometimes others do not have a sense of healthy humor.
      3. Wheel
        Wheel April 11 2014 19: 00
        0
        Quote: Al_lexx
        Right. But at what cost? Let's turn the whole country into a concentration camp. Then we will begin such an industrial, economic, etc. growth, that everyone will get fucked up.

        But really, at what cost?
        At the cost of the fact that the then Nemtsovs, Kasparovs, guns, Makarevichi, together with stealing officials, built Belomorkanals, sawed wood and washed gold, and this will only be for the good.
        And all sorts of Serdyukovs, Chubais, etc. then no matter how it was?
        People of this sort were, are and will be, only at that time they were put against the wall.
        For me, it’s better to bring benefits than ... well ...

        In general, my advice to you: do the materiel.
        Take an interest in what really happened then, and do not produce about 100500 of millions of innocent and 500100 of billions of GULAG prisoners.
        Good luck!
        1. Al_lexx
          Al_lexx April 11 2014 19: 28
          +4
          Quote: Wheel
          Quote: Al_lexx
          Right. But at what cost? Let's turn the whole country into a concentration camp. Then we will begin such an industrial, economic, etc. growth, that everyone will get fucked up.

          But really, at what cost?
          At the cost of the fact that the then Nemtsovs, Kasparovs, guns, Makarevichi, together with stealing officials, built Belomorkanals, sawed wood and washed gold, and this will only be for the good.
          And all sorts of Serdyukovs, Chubais, etc. then no matter how it was?
          People of this sort were, are and will be, only at that time they were put against the wall.
          For me, it’s better to bring benefits than ... well ...

          In general, my advice to you: do the materiel.
          Take an interest in what really happened then, and do not produce about 100500 of millions of innocent and 500100 of billions of GULAG prisoners.
          Good luck!

          You know, actually, I’m not a boy anymore. rather, grandfather was at one time a member of the party, and even worked in party bodies. The truth is not long. Therefore, it is not for you to point out the part to me. And if you yourself do not understand what you read and think up for others what they did not say, then go to an appointment with a psychiatrist. wink

          And if in the case, then any forms of fanaticism and dogmatism, whether religious or atheistic, are openly disgusting to me, and so dangerous for society.
          Socialism is not a lifesaver, nor is capitalism. Her magic wands, as well as a magic button - simply do not. All that is needed is that normal statesmen would be at the helm, not temporary workers, and that schools would teach the motherland to love, and not to the charms of same-sex marriages or to memorize the hymnal. Then there will be order. Then schools will graduate normal patriots, not liberals, and the leadership will not think about the monetary economy, but about organizing new jobs.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel April 11 2014 20: 53
            0
            Quote: Al_lexx
            You know, actually, I’m not a boy anymore. rather, grandfather was at one time a member of the party, and even worked in party bodies. The truth is not long. Therefore, it is not for you to point out the part to me. And if you yourself do not understand what you read and think up for others what they did not say, then go to an appointment with a psychiatrist.

            The fact that he is not a boy, so I did not call you that, if Che.
            And it’s never shameful to teach materiel, I’m more than once grandfather, but I’m learning, as you know who bequeathed.
            But he wasn’t a member of the party, although he was obliged to attend the party meetings on Thursdays.
            What can I tell you about this?
            I'd rather be a non-partisan Bolshevik than a communist of the 80s.
            Is the hint clear?
            So the advice remains valid.
            Teach materiel!
    2. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam April 11 2014 17: 14
      +1
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      The best results were under socialism.

      Not in everything and not for everyone.
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  17. Ilotan
    Ilotan April 11 2014 17: 07
    +5
    Some nonsense. "Such a crushing and all-encompassing catastrophe has never happened in the entire history of Russia." And the three-hundred-year yoke? A 1611-12, Poles in the Kremlin. And what about the civil war with the subsequent devastation? And the summer of 1941? The author, well, at least he would have read a book or something. It’s even inconvenient to explain obvious things.
  18. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam April 11 2014 17: 11
    +1
    Oh, this agitation for me!

    Such a crushing and such an all-embracing catastrophe has not occurred in the entire history of Russia.

    Forgot the 17 revolution and its consequences? The same famine in Ukraine. It was not better with us!

    Only the Orthodox Church remains - this last bastion of our Russian defense.

    There was an article recently "On Zionism in France and the forces opposing it". And the same in the same gate.

    It is necessary to separate the church from the state, and not to unite.
    .
  19. alekc73
    alekc73 April 11 2014 17: 11
    +1
    It doesn’t matter what color the cat is. It is important that it catches mice. No need to argue about ism, everything that gives an effect has the right to life.
    1. Sour
      Sour April 11 2014 17: 17
      0
      Quote: alekc73
      all that gives effect has the right to life.

      The whole question is what counts as an "effect".
  20. Russ69
    Russ69 April 11 2014 17: 15
    0
    Capitalism, socialism. It seems to me that both, in its pure form, are not entirely true.
    Probably need something averaged.
    - All strategic industries, in the hands of the state, a small share of private business.
    - Energy is the same, with tight price controls.
    - Favorable conditions for small and medium-sized businesses, with government support for soft loans.
    - Free education, medicine (not declared, but real)
    In general, writing a lot in theory, but this is as if the main thing ...
    1. Sour
      Sour April 11 2014 17: 32
      0
      In general, I agree.
      But one thing is alarming.

      Quote: Russ69
      Free education, medicine

      In our thoroughly corrupt society, education and medicine are ultimately paid.
      Maybe legitimize all this? So I go to treat teeth in paid dentistry. And there is no corruption. I just pay money through the cash desk, officially, according to the price list. They do everything quickly and efficiently.
      People have to pay more, and the appropriations for medicine have to be cut back. The way everything will be paid, and no corruption. What is the point of pretending that we have free medicine? In fact, this is only fiction and the basis for corruption.
      The same is true in many other industries.
      We ourselves breed corruption because we create conditions for it. The so-called "free medicine" is one example.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 April 11 2014 17: 44
        +1
        Quote: Sour
        Maybe legitimize all this? So I go to treat teeth in paid dentistry. And there is no corruption. I just pay money through the cash desk, officially, according to the price list. They do everything quickly and efficiently.

        No one does not prohibit, conduct private medical practice.
        You can’t get off with the increase in salaries, because prices also do not stand still ...
    2. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx April 11 2014 19: 38
      0
      Quote: Russ69
      Capitalism, socialism. It seems to me that both, in its pure form, are not entirely true.
      Probably need something averaged.
      - All strategic industries, in the hands of the state, a small share of private business.
      - Energy is the same, with tight price controls.
      - Favorable conditions for small and medium-sized businesses, with government support for soft loans.
      - Free education, medicine (not declared, but real)
      In general, writing a lot in theory, but this is as if the main thing ...

      +1
      I subscribe to every word.
  21. tnship2
    tnship2 April 11 2014 17: 15
    +2
    Everything has already been invented before us. Laws must work in the country. Non-observance of these laws should not even occur to you. Articles on confiscation for economic crimes are necessary. Crimes against the person are very severely punished. For crimes against minors, they should be sentenced to life. Personal responsibility in the media for deceitful and dubious materials. Officials ... oh, these bureaucrats. Is it even easier to get thieves? That’s the end of a career. It’s especially tough to stop crimes in the power structures that are very sensitive to society. Protect medium-sized businesses as the most massive and most vulnerable to bureaucratic attacks. Middle-sized businesses can become the backbone of which, with skillful cultivation, people’s meat will grow. As a resident of Primorye, I saw how quickly the percentage of self-employment in the region grew in difficult times for the country, when the center had nothing to help the outskirts of the country with. They somehow organized themselves and got on their feet as best they could. It’s not without adventure, of course. That is when there will be a lot of independently thinking and economically independent citizens, then neither the king nor the secretary general will be needed. True democracy will come.
    1. Wheel
      Wheel April 11 2014 19: 22
      0
      Quote: tnship2
      Medium-sized businesses can become the backbone for which, with skillful cultivation, people’s meat will grow. As a resident of Primorye, he saw how quickly the percentage of self-employment in the region grew in difficult times for the country, when the center had nothing to help the outskirts of the country. to your feet. It’s not without adventure, of course. That is when there will be a lot of independently thinking and economically independent citizens, then neither the king nor the secretary general will be needed. True democracy will come.

      What is medium business?
      What is it eaten with?
      What does he produce and what is his further fate?

      Threat. Liberal bedtime stories - scoff!
  22. w2000
    w2000 April 11 2014 17: 16
    +3
    Quote: Ilotan
    Some nonsense. "Such a crushing and all-encompassing catastrophe has never happened in the entire history of Russia." And the three-hundred-year yoke? A 1611-12, Poles in the Kremlin. And what about the civil war with the subsequent devastation? And the summer of 1941? The author, well, at least he would have read a book or something. It’s even inconvenient to explain obvious things.


    Yes, the author apparently did not read anything except his theological books. You need to drive the priests with a filthy broom, especially from schools and scientific institutions where they have already made their snares.

    “Religion is the opium of the people”

    “The death of the mind begins with faith”

    “Civilization will reach its peak only on the day when the last stone of the last temple collapses on the head of the last priest”
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic April 11 2014 21: 27
      0
      Quote: w2000
      “The death of the mind begins with faith”

      “Civilization will reach its peak only on the day when the last stone of the last temple collapses on the head of the last priest”

      When faith perishes then reason perishes. Look what happens to the West because there are units of believers. You also insulted the grandfathers and great-grandfathers who fought with the West and died in wars, because they believed that their cause was right and they would win.
      Civilization after flowering will wait for the sunset when the last priest dies.
      1. rereture
        rereture April 12 2014 01: 27
        0
        > Look what is happening with the West because there are only a few believers

        Yeah, according to Wikipedia, only 12,1% of the population does not belong to any denomination, and people who do not believe in God or a higher being are 9-10%.

        You can rejoice, all that is bad in the United States is done mostly by believers.

        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Демография_атеизма

        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Религия_в_США
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic April 12 2014 08: 26
          0
          Quote: rereture
          You can rejoice, all that is bad in the United States is done mostly by believers.

          Who goes to the church of Satan can also be considered a believer. It is necessary to distinguish who believes and who uses the word believe for their own purposes. It is written about in the Gospel, and it is chewed by the holy fathers to simplify understanding.
          1. rereture
            rereture April 12 2014 12: 26
            0
            Who goes to the church of Satan can also be considered a believer. It is necessary to distinguish who believes and who uses the word believe for their own purposes. It is written about in the Gospel, and it is chewed by the holy fathers to simplify understanding.


            51,3% of US population consider themselves Protestants
            23,9% are Catholics
            1,7% are Mormons,
            0,6% are members of another Christian denomination
            1,7% - Jews
            0,7% - Buddhists
            0,6% - Muslims
            2,5% - other beliefs
            4% are atheists

            Most of the US population (75,2%) are Christians.

            So there is no need to talk about the "church of Satan" and other sects, they are only 2,5%

            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Религия_в_США
  23. Anaris
    Anaris April 11 2014 17: 18
    +7
    What a primitive propaganda, and even in a religious obscurantism wrapper.
  24. mabuta
    mabuta April 11 2014 17: 22
    +5
    I wonder what the author of the pill used, what bears it so. The liberal probably.
  25. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh April 11 2014 17: 31
    +1
    The church needs to forgive the offenders in a Christian way. And the Communists need to expel from their ranks the Trotskyist atheists, vehemently opposing rapprochement with the Church.

    Everything new must begin with "... to the bottom ..." and the expulsion (execution, hanging) of those who disagree. As soon as I hear in what theory such a proposal begins to vomit and the hand "reaches for the gun."))))
    We are peaceful people.
    1. Sour
      Sour April 11 2014 17: 38
      -1
      Yes, and on the Internet, and in life, I often stumble upon people who simply rave about executions and landings. I got the impression that this is not a fallacy. These people do not believe in the saving power of repression. For them, repression is an end in politics, not a means. This is not a radical belief. This is just a dumb bitterness of a loser who does not understand why he lives in the world and has not found a place in life.
  26. saygon66
    saygon66 April 11 2014 17: 35
    0
    - Remembering gentlemen anarchists: "All power is an apparatus for suppressing the individual ..."
    - Sooner or later, any state forgets that it was invented for the needs of the individuals that make up it, and begins to rule these personalities, for its own, not always human needs.
    - When building an ideal society, ALL attempts rested on the upbringing of a "new man", and the methods of upbringing happened, seriously at odds with the proclaimed values. The same Khmer Rouge built socialism for a strictly limited number of citizens - the rest with a hoe on a kumpol, and a skull-in a pyramid (social reporting, however ...) The whole history of attempts to change the system can be expressed in the words of the film character: "The Reds came, rob, white come robbing ... and where can the poor peasant go? "
  27. Predator
    Predator April 11 2014 17: 37
    +1
    Then let's build communism .... Only we have not grown up to it with our minds and outlook. We cannot yet accept the principle "from each as possible, to each according to need"!
  28. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 11 2014 17: 41
    +3
    My grandmother was a believer, the grandfather was a responsible business worker, a party member .. But my grandmother did not spread rot, did not propagate atheism for her .. The icons hung freely in the house and this was in the 20s and 30s ... Another grandfather, also a party person, a believing grandmother ..and it’s normal .. But this grandfather’s religion was more complicated .. his kind of non-possessors .. What’s the matter, about persecution of the church and believers .. if they find a machine gun at the priest, but a believer cattle the cattle .. or at night shoots people from a sawn-off shot ... then of course persecution ..
  29. mongoose
    mongoose April 11 2014 17: 42
    +1
    cool, again, someone wanted to shoot Russian scientists, doctors, engineers, military, calling them gold miners, again wanted to plunder the country so that they could restore it later with the blood of the people, again apparently wanted to create a Jewish aristocracy, from letterheads, brackets and other rosenfelds ( Don’t you find a direct anology with Nenko?)
  30. combat66
    combat66 April 11 2014 17: 51
    +4
    And why is it sausage then we are so, not childish. From monarchy to almost communism (for seventy years or so, the bar was constantly rising, almost reached) to oligarchic capitalism, now where? Resurrect the Romanovs, Rurikovich, yeah, you can call up the Varangians! I don’t know what happened during the Romanovs, but I found a piece of developed socialism.
    Frankly, without controversy, but my brothers are good here too now! There is where to put your hands and enough for bread and butter, and even four women, young and old contain.
    And I would recommend perestroika to try to work, to support people in word and deed, to throw off a couple of rubles for a cruiser and go to a subbotnik for the good of the state, to pray for the fatherland in church and to give a pendel in time to all "puski". Maybe then the tsar and the communists will not have to be called saviors, social builders. We are needed here and now, and we do not need to destroy.
  31. Turkir
    Turkir April 11 2014 17: 52
    +4
    If the author is sincere, of which I have no doubt, then his article is not relevant today.
    For example, I am not a believer, I was raised this way from childhood and at school. But, Christian symbolism is dear to me. Is it possible to imagine Moscow without St. Basil's Cathedral? This part of Russian culture. And I do not care about my faithful ancestors. However, is everything so good in the Russian Orthodox Church itself? And is it worth it for clergymen to propose economic models to a multinational and not one confessional state? I am for a state in which private initiative and social justice are encouraged. What is the name of this model? God knows her, and it’s not a matter of name. But, the transfer of natural resources in transcription or the hands of unscrupulous businessmen should be strictly prohibited.
    All these fake oligarchs have not yet created anything of their own, and therefore the percentage of tax on them should be increased.
    A businessman who built a factory, farm, or businessman who innovates from scratch must have tax breaks. Creation should be encouraged. The spirituality of the people itself will grow, with confidence in the future, with confidence in their need and the absence of poverty.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr April 11 2014 18: 45
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      I agree, A ....
      it’s my fault that your name is like that.
      Right, right, Turkir ..
      .
      Somehow, it is forgotten by many that socialism, and especially communism, does not at all deny private initiative. Quite the contrary - only welcome.
      Under Stalin, in the 30-40-50xxx they worked with might and main - artels. The publication was right here, in VO.
      What are cooperative societies?
      NEP, too.
      Household farming was only welcomed. Until the "bald maize" destroyed it.
      ...
      The "grain of evil" lurks not in private contracts, not in private initiative.
      And in fair distribution.
      "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work" ... Socialism.
      "From each - according to his possibilities, to each - according to his needs" ... communism. Or Russian capitalism.
      It remains only to clarify what are opportunities. And .. the thing in the hat.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel April 11 2014 21: 07
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        Quote: Igarr
        Under Stalin, in the 30-40-50xxx they worked with might and main - artels. The publication was right here, in VO. What are cooperative societies?

        Take it above, there was also private production, for example, in the biography of A. Gaidar it is mentioned:
        And before the war, he broke up with her - he moved to Klin, near Moscow, where he rented a room in the Chernyshovs' house. The head of the family had a private shoe shop in Klin and a small factory in Moscow. A month later, the writer married Chernyshov's daughter, Dora Matveevna, who had a daughter, Zhenya.
  32. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 11 2014 17: 53
    0
    Why are the Orthodox so many minuses instructed the article. There is nothing wrong with the article, though it’s good. You have to be softer, wider.
  33. saag
    saag April 11 2014 17: 57
    +1
    The author began cheerfully, the theme "down with" passed, but when the turn of the theme "we are ours, we will build a new world" came, then led him to religion, to candles and chandeliers, the author, what does the system and religion have to do with it? These are two different things. The build would of course be useful to change, but Vladimir Ilyich, there is no such engine for this idea, Vladimir Vladimirovich is from another opera, he is not suitable for this role
  34. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 11 2014 18: 01
    0
    Oh yes Sonin, oh yes well done! That's just forgot about Islam, and about someone else (no offense!). There is something in this, not a single religion acts as an instigator to something bad - everyone is based on socialism! Read carefully ! Tolleo "to take with you" in such socialism needs all the best from both the East and the West. The term is, in my opinion, "convergence". An interesting article, I would say: "Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!"
  35. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 11 2014 18: 03
    +1
    Capitalism is a dead end for the development of society. And God is in everyone’s head. It all depends on what everyone has in our hearts. Virtue or sodom.
  36. 1812 1945
    1812 1945 April 11 2014 18: 06
    -5
    For the first time I read a clever, wise article on such an important topic here in Review! Without verbiage exorbitant. The attainment of a National Idea is impossible without defining the main task facing the Nation, the State. And such is the awareness of the current state of affairs in Russia, and the choice of the only correct state system based on the experience of centuries of the existence of the Russian State. Mankind did not have a more perfect device than the Monarchy! (This is a scientific axiom - look for sources ...), and the form of it (Monarchy) proposed in the article seems ideal to me. PS Why are stupid and obscene jokes on this subject in the comments ?! It is hard to imagine a more vivid evidence of a misunderstanding by the regulars of the review of the main tasks facing the country.
  37. Samurai3X
    Samurai3X April 11 2014 18: 12
    +1
    I don’t know how, but practically from the first sentence in such articles it is clear who wrote it.
    Again ... Thoughts are more or less correct, but here is the supply ... The way the Orthodox Church is now bureaucratized cannot even be counted.
    Specially listened to the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church ... So there is specifically a warrior. The idea of ​​the primacy of Orthodoxy as the main religion of the state was already passed and did not work (read until 1917).
    Orthodoxy is the most correct ... Only it gives "salvation". Only it can give peace of mind ... And everything else is sects and false religions. In Moscow, Vaishnavs generally seduce children and indulge in orgies in their nasty abodes (and this had nothing to do with the fact that the state allocated land for the construction of the temple to them, and not to the priests).
    In short, in any incomprehensible situation, accept Orthodoxy.
    Now, in general, our dearest ROC is extremely aggressive ...
  38. Grandfather Victor
    Grandfather Victor April 11 2014 18: 15
    +3
    Interestingly, the author on the basis of "Orthodoxy" proposes to develop science, education, create and master advanced technologies and design developments, develop the creative activity of youth? Religion is now one of the main obstacles to development, a means of deafening and fooling people, depriving them of creative thinking. Religion is a means of managing the human herd in the interests of those in power. At the dawn of the development of mankind, religion played a positive role, somehow explaining to a person the world around him, monasteries were centers of culture, writing, philosophical understanding of the world, the rudiments of the first scientific research. Now such centers are universities. Religion or science - a choice between sterile stupid faith on the one hand, development and progress on the other.
    1. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 April 11 2014 18: 51
      +1
      Orthodoxy (Islam, Buddhism ...) is not a religion in order to "... develop science, education, create and master advanced technologies and design developments, develop the creative activity of young people?", But in order not to forget about the laws morality, morality ...
      1. rereture
        rereture April 11 2014 19: 28
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        Yeah, of course, Islam and Christianity are a direct example of moral standards.

        Once women with bare heads were stoned, and a skirt above the knee was considered immoral.

        Blood feud was once considered a noble act, and bestiality was normal.

        Once women were not allowed to participate in political life, and the feudal lord had the right to "first night".

        This is all to the fact that moral standards are a relative thing, and can me not only from era to era, but also from person to person. So do not equate religion with a set of rules. Here you can use religion as a spiritual practice, you can take some principles.
        1. Barmal
          Barmal April 11 2014 21: 08
          0
          eye for eye, etc. - The norm of a non-Christian way of thinking, if that. Of course, you can confuse Islam with Christianity, the term religion is sufficient for this. But there is always a difference between religions.
          1. rereture
            rereture April 12 2014 01: 30
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            The difference between the Abrahamic religions is not significant, since Christianity is essentially a breakaway cell of Judaism, and Islam has taken a lot from both Judaism and Christianity.
            1. rereture
              rereture April 12 2014 01: 58
              0
              In general, this did not apply to religion, but to morality.
        2. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic April 11 2014 21: 43
          0
          Quote: rereture
          to man. So do not equate religion with a set of rules. Here you can use religion as a spiritual practice, you can take some principles.

          It is human nature to believe in something, the question is what he will believe in if sectarians approach him with their principles. When the USSR collapsed, look how many speakers of the same sectarians turned out to be, we took all the best from religion and we are the best. Many who came out of sects needed the help of psychiatrists.
          1. rereture
            rereture April 12 2014 01: 33
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            To prevent this from happening, it is necessary to increase the literacy of the population, and not to stuff it with "correct" sects. Yes, most of the parishioners of the Russian Orthodox Church also require the help of psychiatrists, especially when they call a priest to bless a car or apartment.
  39. mig31
    mig31 April 11 2014 18: 29
    0
    Alas, the religion of money is stronger than all religions of the world.
  40. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta April 11 2014 18: 36
    0
    When the situation escalated around Syria, the Pope turned to defend the people of Syria.
    It is sad that now we are not observing the activity of our and Ukrainian Priests .. But we could fix the brains of the Antichrist!
  41. joum
    joum April 11 2014 18: 40
    -1
    Lord, make your followers finally understand that in the courtyard of the XNUMXst century, and not the Middle Ages, they shut up in a choir! Already not even funny.
  42. Turkir
    Turkir April 11 2014 18: 55
    +2
    I want to draw the attention of Topwar readers to the spiritual catastrophe that befell Ukraine.
    According to my information, even in cities such as Kherson and Nikolaev, families have complete discord.
    Children versus parents. Parents are drawn to Russia and their own children are called putinoids.
  43. konvalval
    konvalval April 11 2014 18: 57
    0
    Quote: sibi
    And why do so many priests ride expensive cars?

    On the donations of parishioners.
  44. rereture
    rereture April 11 2014 19: 04
    -2
    Religion is a mental disorder that has been inoculated since childhood. We all know that the world is colored, but any religion leaves only two colors, black and white. ORTHODOXY IS THE WORST RELIGION, only in Orthodoxy the believers are the SLAVES of God. That is, almost from birth, a person is turned into a slave of religion, for whom there is a whip - mythical sins that supposedly lead to hell, and a carrot paradise, into which a "soul" will fall, which does not exist in nature.

    Isn’t it easier to cast aside all the prejudices of religion and live according to conscience, to discard religious propaganda (for which one must be imprisoned), and just be a person. Give religious books the status of fairy tale and mythophile books, with an 18+ badge. Stop the construction of religious buildings, and leave only those that are of architectural and cultural value. All religious organizations are not legal. Prohibit the promotion of religion among minors, ban mass religious holidays such as religious processions and Kurban Bayram. Some holidays can be left as a tribute to traditions.

    You see people grow wiser, and take off their pink glasses. And they will at least start to think about something.
  45. Artem1967
    Artem1967 April 11 2014 19: 06
    +3
    The author greatly simplifies everything, trying to connect the unconnected.
    Religion and socialism, socialism and the monarchy, some nonsense! Our church has long been a commercial project, otherwise how to explain its indefatigable desire to own property in the form of real estate and land. Yes, and in an accident, priests often get into a drunken affair and on expensive foreign cars, which cause great moral damage to the Orthodox Church. The church should not have influence on the state.
    The monarchy in Russia has become obsolete in 1917. Nicholas II, with his useless rule, contributed a lot to the approach of revolutions, the collapse of the empire and the outbreak of civil war. The progressive minds of Russia understood this, had no leverage over the autocrat. Do we need this again? There should be a shift of power, which provides the republic.
    Socialism has enormous attractive power in theory, but in practice it is difficult to give positive examples of the state building of a socialist society.
    Worldview issues of the further structure of our country still require deep understanding for a better future for our children and grandchildren.
  46. Grif
    Grif April 11 2014 19: 11
    0
    The calls for Orthodox socialism are a little naive, but understandable. Everyone understands that capitalism is not for us. Democracy = demagoguery. However, the author carries the correct idea that we need some kind of rallying idea. It is in the air, but everyone is afraid to say the word "communism". They spat on this word, but I continue to believe that the future of humanity is in it. Orthodox socialism will not unite us. It will be neither Orthodox nor socialism. Crimea was returned. Shouldn't we start returning the communist idea? What? The material basis for building communism, consider it, has been created.
    1. rereture
      rereture April 11 2014 20: 06
      +1
      And as for me, the idea of ​​"nationalism" is floating in the air, and they are afraid to say it out loud, the restoration of the greatness of the Russian people can become a national idea, and not the creation of mythical Asian-Russians that our government is engaged in bringing in migrants. Stop being the dung on which other nations grow, we RUSSIANS have created a country that is known to the whole world under the name RUSSIA. And let other peoples assimilate and become Russians.
      1. Barmal
        Barmal April 11 2014 21: 18
        +1
        if you look so deeply at Russian Russians, then pay attention to the historical moment.
        !. Russia was created by the Orthodox princes. The "right of the first night" was not supported by the Orthodox princes. These are European values.
        2. Anyone who converted to Orthodoxy became Russian. That is what has always given (!!) the most stable base for the Rurikovich in the development of new territories. And when the Romanovs came to power, Orthodoxy was placed in the position of a state appendage. What could not but affect the entire subsequent history of the Empire.
        3. To be proud of the past Glory of Russia is good and makes sense. Orthodoxy should not be denigrated - all the past heroes of Russia were overwhelmingly Orthodox by faith. Start with Alexander Nevsky, continue with Ushakov and do not hesitate to be interested in the religion of Russian heroes of the past.
        1. rereture
          rereture April 12 2014 01: 12
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          In general, Russia was founded by pagan princes. The question of the choice of faith was dictated primarily by the complexity of managing different tribes. An example is Prince Igor, whom the Drevlyans tore up with a tree. And Orthodoxy says that all power is from God. That is, everything that the prince would not do is all fair. Therefore, if we consider the princes, then the main role is played not by faith, but by personal qualities. Even the first prince who baptized Russia, Vladimir Svyatoslavich had a harem. And it’s impossible to call the princes strong believers, since they did only what was beneficial to them. Yes, and the times were different, then faith more or less united the people, since the ethnic composition was more or less homogeneous, and during the time of the Republic of Ingushetia, believers of different religions did not particularly intersect except in the public service and in the army.
          At the moment, religion only separates people, this is especially evident in the example of Muslims. If our state continues to tacitly support the Russian Orthodox Church, which, forgive me, is a plug in all the cracks, then we will get such a split in society that my mother does not cry. And so many fanatics from the ROC are ready to kill "infidels", that is, not baptized. You can look for such statements in other topics.
          As for faith, I only suggest that religious literature be transferred to the category of myths and legends marked 18+, to ban religious associations and the promotion of religion among minors. You can also take away property from the Russian Orthodox Church, and the number of churches on the site of parks is growing (the program of walking accessibility of churches.
          1. Barmal
            Barmal April 12 2014 02: 12
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            Alexander Nevsky is a saint, Ushakov is a saint. Hatred of Orthodoxy - hatred of these people, who wore a cross underneath his shirt. No need to start talking about Russia as a winner in isolation from Orthodoxy. In pre-Christian times there was no such state - Russia. There were other states. Simply, if there is no faith, be more tolerant of others. And those who became Russians after the adoption of Orthodoxy - there are enough people who had surnames with non-Russian roots, but became Russians precisely because of baptism in Orthodoxy and who served the tsars on oath. Many brought glory to the motherland. The surnames of Mendeleev, Gumilyov, Kuprin - there are a lot of them.

            The tradition of dressing in clean linen before the general battle for the Russian soldier to be buried in the clean grave - it mattered to appear before the throne of God in this form, not to disgrace in the well-worn, unclean. Such a person is not afraid to die - he is confident in his correct life path.

            About bad princes - you don’t need to look at others, you should look at yourself in matters of faith and other morality. Always a person is weak, someone for women, someone for wine and vodka. Does anyone have any problems. We do not need the class struggle and its elements in everyday life. Like revolutions are not needed.
            1. rereture
              rereture April 12 2014 02: 56
              -1
              Alexander Nevsky is a saint, Ushakov is a saint. Hatred of Orthodoxy - hatred of these people, who wore a cross underneath his shirt. No need to start talking about Russia as a winner in isolation from Orthodoxy.


              To identify people who violated the commandments with Orthodoxy is stupid. And do not break them, they would not become great.

              Simply, if there is no faith, be more tolerant of others.


              Sorry, we don't live in the 15th century. And if they do not trample on my ears, then I am tolerant. There is a good expression on this score: "Religion is like a member. If you have one, that's okay. If you are proud that you have one, that's okay too. Just don’t, wave it in front of everyone. And all the more, there is no need to force it into children "

              The tradition of dressing in clean linen before the general battle for the Russian soldier to be buried in the clean grave - it mattered to appear before the throne of God in this form, not to disgrace in the well-worn, unclean. Such a person is not afraid to die - he is confident in his correct life path.


              Traditions must be respected, I have nothing against traditions. Although, as for me, cremation is a more profitable way to "utilize" the deceased, it is more environmentally friendly, and the ashes take up less space.

              About bad princes - you don’t need to look at others, you should look at yourself in matters of faith and other morality.


              Morality is not faith, just as faith is not morality.


              Always a person is weak, someone for women, someone for wine and vodka. Does anyone have any problems. We do not need the class struggle and its elements in everyday life. Like revolutions are not needed.


              In order not to be weak, you need to have willpower and a strong character, and this depends on upbringing, for example, I saw a Muslim drinking on black and an atheist without bad habits.

              I didn’t say anything about the class struggle, nor did I write anywhere that the Orthodox periods in our history should be forgotten, I wrote that religious hysteria should be stopped in modern society.
  47. Signaller
    Signaller April 11 2014 19: 34
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    Of course, everything can and is true. We must look for ways. But I found a car on Mile in the forum. Scientists from Yale University conducted an experiment with monkeys. Here is what came of it. (More is written there, only a short description of one experiment.)
    For each press of the lever monkeys
    began to get a brush of grapes. Once the Capuchins have mastered the simple
    the rule "work = remuneration", they immediately introduced an intermediate agent -
    multi-colored plastic circles. Instead of grapes, they became
    receive tokens of different "face value". For a white token it was possible to buy from
    people one brush of grapes, for blue - two, for red - a glass
    soda and so on.

    Soon the monkey society was stratified. AT
    the same types of behavior arose in him as in human
    community. Workaholics and loafers, bandits and drives appeared. One
    the monkey managed to press the lever 185 times in ten minutes! I really wanted to earn money. Someone preferred racket to work and robbed
    others. But the main thing that the experimenters noted: in monkeys
    those character traits that were previously not noticeable - greed, cruelty and rage in upholding their money, suspiciousness to each other.
    So in short. Therefore, about mammon, it is written in our family. God has given.
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic April 11 2014 21: 08
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      Quote: Signaller
      Therefore, about mammon, it is written in our family. God has given.

      I read and remembered another experience with monkeys called here it is not customary to do so.

      They took 5 monkeys and put them in a cage, and in the corner they hung a banana while trying to pick it, all the monkeys poured cold water, after several attempts the monkeys did not try to pick it.
      Replaced 1 monkey as soon as she tried to rip it off 4 others who had already been raised by water grabbed it, after several attempts she stopped climbing to the banana.
      Slowly replaced them, the same story repeated, the monkeys did not let the new ones pick a banana, after which they also did not give the new ones,
      when 5 monkeys were replaced, those remained who did not fall under cold water and when the new one decided to pick a banana, they grabbed onto it.

      Religion; a set of rules and laws that a person needs so that he knows what he is responsible for, both from the criminal and medical point of view.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel April 11 2014 21: 57
        +1
        Quote: schizophrenic
        Religion; a set of rules and laws that a person needs so that he knows what he is responsible for, both from the criminal and medical point of view.

        Medical, where is it?
        In fact, for all the will of God, God gave, God took ...
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic April 12 2014 08: 09
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          Quote: Wheel
          Medical, where is it?

          Have a drink and what horrible can and medicine can’t cope, you will also need meditsina if you have sex with anyone. laughing
  48. Ilotan
    Ilotan April 11 2014 22: 31
    +2
    Quote: rereture
    Isn’t it easier to cast aside all the prejudices of religion and live according to conscience, to discard religious propaganda (for which one must be imprisoned), and just be a person. Give religious books the status of fairy tale and mythophile books, with an 18+ badge. Stop the construction of religious buildings, and leave only those that are of architectural and cultural value. All religious organizations are not legal. Prohibit the promotion of religion among minors, ban mass religious holidays such as religious processions and Kurban Bayram. Some holidays can be left as a tribute to traditions.

    But why waste any time on trifles, "plant", "recognize illegal", "prohibit holidays", let's just burn or stone them at the stake (thereby produce martyrs). I myself am a deeply non-believer, which does not prevent me from being respectful to the views of other people, including religious ones. We already have enough problems in our country, let's start a civil war on religious grounds.
    1. rereture
      rereture April 12 2014 01: 41
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      If the state continues to support the ROC so clearly, interethnic conflicts will simply flow into the religious plane. Imagine a couple of provocations on the part of Muslims / Orthodox towards representatives of another religion, if the Orthodox still endure (although there they are ready to throat everyone who is against to bite), then radical Muslims may well inflict Orthodox genocide on those territories where there are few Orthodox. Although this genocide is sluggish and proceeds where the Orthodox minority.
  49. Barmal
    Barmal April 11 2014 23: 41
    +4
    the article does not inspire confidence, as it calls for a change of order, which is, by all definitions, a revolution. Our revolution is identical to civil war. No, thanks. Especially now.
  50. Nyx
    Nyx April 12 2014 01: 01
    +1
    I am a patriot of the country of Soviets, an atheist, and I am ready to cooperate with the Orthodox only as long as our goals intersect. But if they try to arrange here a Christian republic like Iran Islamic, I will shoot these veruns with no less enthusiasm than the Bandera or the marsh. No one has the right to encroach on my free country - neither god, nor king, nor even hero.