In the sky - the changing of the guard. Air Force buy the latest fighters

A new contract is being prepared for the supply to the Armed Forces of the newest super destroyers. By 2015, the Air Force will get 48 Su-35C.

This was reported by the ARMS-TASS news agency with reference to the UAC president Mikhail Pogosyan. According to Pogosyan, this year the corporation will supply the Su-24S fighter aircraft in full serial configuration to the 35 air force. Twelve fighters were transferred to military pilots in early February, and the next twelve will be delivered before the end of the year. In 2015, the transfer of the final 14 aircraft of this type is scheduled. Given the previously delivered four flight test vehicles and six Su-35s transferred in 2012, all 48 fighters will go to the Air Force.

The signing of a new long-term contract with the Ministry of Defense for the production of Su-35С is expected at the end of this - the beginning of next year. Thus, the Su-35S will become the main heavy fighters of our Air Force. However, Su-27, after repairs and upgrades, will still be able to continue its service. It must be said that the development in the troops of the new machine goes without any problems, since at its core is the platform Su-27, which the pilots are well mastered.

According to its characteristics, the new fighter comes close to the fifth generation. Su-35S develops speed up to 2400 km / h and flies nonstop to the distance to 3600 km. Combat load - 8 tons. On the external suspension of the machine can carry all types of aircraft weapons. The aircraft is equally good as a fighter, as a long-range interceptor, and as a bomber-rocket carrier. It can hit air, ground and surface targets.

Radar system "Irbis" installed on the fighter, the most powerful in the world. She sees at a distance of 400 km, makes it possible to accompany simultaneously up to thirty, and to fire up to eight targets. The Su-35S is equipped with a navigation system that autonomously determines the location of the aircraft and the parameters of its movement in the absence of satellite navigation and communication with ground services. That is, if the GPS or GLONASS are turned off, the fighter will not get lost.

It may be recalled that the Deputy Prime Minister and Chairman of the Military Industrial Complex Dmitry Rogozin will participate in the shooting of the author’s documentary film “Dry”. The choice of the goal ". The main role in it is assigned just Su-35C.

Comments

[TAMERLAN 7]

By 2015, the Air Force will receive 48 Su-35S.

Why so few! Need more! The situation is this, but they are barely moving! Over there, the United States recently rattled their bones, they say the Russians are only bluffing, but there is no real power (they forgot that our real and main strength is ICBMs). It is necessary to increase !!!

[SS68SS]

There should be not a lot and not a little, but enough ... One ten is worth it and not only for the price.

[bvi1965]

So far, "enough" is far enough.

[svp67]

what talk there, his flight just needs to be seen and seen - to enjoy ...

[The Art of War]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VOFdXO929Q

[elmi]

Thus, the Su-35S will become the main heavy fighters of our Air Force

Heavy fighters are good, but what about light fighters? In the army, the ratio of light fighters to heavy fighters should be 3 to 1. And we get a roll towards the heavy. When will pay attention to the instant? their financing, state defense. order, etc. There should not be complete monopoly on Su, because in healthy competition masterpieces of weapons development are born.

[Semen Semyonitch]

How often I watch this flight, and each time I do not deny myself the pleasure of re-viewing!

[bistrov.]

Quote: Semyon Semyonich

How often I watch this flight, and each time I do not deny myself the pleasure of re-viewing!

Yes, indeed, the impression is that he is alive!

[Docent1984]

Here is a handsome man! The ingenious brainchild of ingenious people.

[Gradus HuK]

Handsome! More good technique homeland !!!

[gingerbread man 59]

I’m an old tankman myself, but from modern fighter jets I’m bastard

[Geisenberg]

Quote: SS68SS

There should be not a lot and not a little, but enough ... One ten is worth it and not only for the price.

Quote: SS68SS

There should be not a lot and not a little, but enough ... One ten is worth it and not only for the price.

the price is just less than ten ...

[maks-101]

Su-35s + Su-27 upgraded normally, soon the T-50 will arrive in time and here we need more.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: maks-xnumx

Su-35s + Su-27 upgraded normally

+ SU-30

Only until 2016 will be delivered:

Signed a contract for 30 Su-30SM until 2015. Plus another supply contract signed 30 Su-30SM fighters until 2016. Plus contract for 16 Su-30M2 aircraft for 2013-2015.

Those. only until 2016, the SU-30 of various modifications will be of the order 76 pieces.
Together with SU-35 there will be new Dryers over 120 pieces, not counting the upgraded 27's.
Plus new MiG-29SMT, already in service, about 30.

And this is only for the latest fighter aircraft until 2016.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: GreatRussia

+ SU-30

Only until 2016 will be delivered:

A contract was signed for 30 Su-30SM until 2015. Plus, another contract was signed for the supply of 30 Su-30SM fighters until 2016. Plus a contract for 16 Su-30M2 aircraft for 2013-2015.

Those. only until 2016, the SU-30 of various modifications will be about 76 pieces.
Together with the SU-35 of the new SUshki there will be over 120 pieces, not counting the upgraded 27s.
Plus new MiG-29SMT, already in service, about 30.

And this is only for the latest fighter aircraft until 2016.

PS For fighter aircraft, not counting also the upgraded MIG-31.
Well, there is hope that the issue with the MIG-35 will still be resolved.

[evgenii67]

+ The Su-34, in addition to being able to work on the ground, is also capable of "butting" in the air.

[Su24]

You haven’t figured it all out yet. 60 Su-30SM for the Air Force +20 Su-30M2 for them. +50 Su-30SM for the Navy. Total 130 units +12 Su-27SM3 +48 Su-35 +55 MiG-29SMT (existing and under construction) +24 MiG-29K. A total of 269 new fighters in 2009-2017. And this is only under current contracts.

[gingerbread man 59]

it’s very good, but in the summer the carnage will begin.

[mamont5]

Quote: maks-xnumx

Su-35s + Su-27 upgraded normally, soon the T-50 will arrive in time and here we need more.

And when will the t-50 appear? We’d rather go to the series.

[silver_roman]

Well, it is expected in 16-17. God grant that there are no pitfalls, but it seems that all of them have already been identified and successfully overcome.
so, I believe, there will be another batch of Su-35s in the amount of 48 pieces. Just in time for the arrival of the T-50, 8 squadrons of the 35th will be put on the wing!

[silaichev]

From 2016 the first will go.

[Val_y]

They say that after 2016 they will be delivered to the Air Force, in connection with the current political situation, I think that the tests are in full swing, and after 2016 the Air Force will be delivered on a large scale

[Cherdak]

Quote: mamont5

And when will the t-50 appear?

Production facilities for serial production of a promising front-line aviation complex (PAK FA), also known as a 5th generation fighter, to be delivered by the Air Force in 2016, have already been deployed. See http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/48644/

[Baikal]

And they still hope that by the time the T-50 "arrives in time", the corresponding nomenclature will also "arrive in time" for it. For MPH without testicles does not work harmoniously

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: maks-xnumx

Su-35s + Su-27 upgraded normally, soon the T-50 will arrive in time and here we need more.

..and there will still be PAK

[Alexander Romanov]

Thus, the Su-35S will become the main heavy fighters of our Air Force
They will become basic when hundreds of them are in service.

[oblako]

By themselves, they do not mean much without appropriate ways to use it. Infrastructure for combat use is needed, an appropriate information field, interaction with AWACS, communications, counteraction against electronic warfare, air defense air defense systems, appropriate airfield service units, and of course trained pilots. Without this, and mass character like the t-34 during the war ... There is, but we can’t use it effectively ... It seems to me that we are fighting for the status of this aircraft. Although the platform is certainly good. And we, it seems, need the T-34 in the sky en masse.

[alicante11]

By themselves, they do not mean much without appropriate ways to use it. Infrastructure for combat use is needed, an appropriate information field, interaction with AWACS, communications, counteraction against electronic warfare, air defense air defense systems, appropriate airfield service units, and of course trained pilots.

All this is there, look at the composition of the Russian Air Force. There are also AWACS and EW aircraft. Well, about the air defense in general would be silent, ours is "the best". I don’t know about the airfields, but considering the howl we raised at the Crimean airfields, it’s still a little better than there. The pilots also have a raid. So I don't see any particular problems. By the way, the T-34 is a good tank anyway, but the staffs of the mechanized formations were worse than the German ones. Plus the understaffing of trucks and TPZ led to problems with their maneuverability. Hence the result.

[VAF]

Quote: alicante11

There are aircraft .... and electronic warfare.

If possible, then about it ... in more detail

[sivuch]

Well, there are definitely EW helicopters. And, if not difficult, the question about Platan, more precisely, its adjustment, has hung on a nearby branch.

[VAF]

Quote: sivuch

Well, there are definitely EW helicopters

This is only to ensure the actions of army aviation and to suppress the means of detection and target designation of air defense systems SD .. no more in the corridors of passage and breakthrough.
On a plane tree .. a little later ... now garden and earthwork

[alicante11]

AN-12 PPS and verticals, like, based on the Mi-8. If the memory serves, there were some modifications of the Su-24 for electronic warfare. I am not special in this, I think you know better.

http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/topic7040.html

Also last year, they conducted state tests of the IL-22PP.

[VAF]

Quote: alicante11

AN-12 PPS and verticals, like, based on the Mi-8. If the memory serves, there were some modifications of the Su-24 for electronic warfare. I am not special in this, I think you know better.

About An-12PPS with Azalea and Bouquets .. forget it as .. "bad dream"
Mi-8MT in electronic warfare versions yes there are .. but they provide only suppression in the corridor of the breakthrough or flight of the UG no more, although the "smalta" complex , but the range ..... "will be too small" for the IBA still back and forth, but for the FBA and even more so YES .. well, no sideways.
Su-24MP there were only 10 serial ones ... 4th are with us in Lipetsk, 6 are with Ukrainians in Starokonstantinov.no. I think it's not 6 but 5 ... I don’t remember exactly.
the only one flying in the LII. but this is generally an experimental copy.
and 2oborudovaniya2 already on them .. as old as my life .. even at that time against the radar ID even less, and against the HEADLIGHT ... as a "dead primary".
PAo IL-18PP-complacency and cut ... no more ..... setting out of the zones? I beg you .... following with BP? this is generally .. how?
and so on ..... in general ..pichalka .. only hope for individual defense systems. but what would someone and something to suppress .... "this is fantastic"

[alicante11]

Why forget? In Georgia, they were used normally. What does it have to do with Bukov, however, Ukrainian, maybe unmodernized.
We are talking about countering enemy aircraft, so this is exactly the "patrimony" of the IBA, if I correctly decoded as fighter-bomber aviation.
There is information that the Su-34 was used as electronic warfare. And, by the way, there are also ground-based electronic warfare stations (like "Krasukha"), which are much more powerful than air ones.

By IL-22pp
http://army-news.ru/2013/06/porubshhik-kanalov-svyazi-novyj-samolet-reb/
Are they saying something wrong?

[VAF]

Quote: alicante11

In Georgia, they were used normally. What does it have to do with Bukov, however, Ukrainian, maybe unmodernized.

With these losses of ours, do you consider this ... "used normally"?

Quote: alicante11

There is information that was used as an electronic warfare Su-34

Something must be ... "write" and "sound"

Quote: alicante11

By IL-22pp

Solid "positive" ..if in Russian .. then driving over the ears ".. no more.
masalyotik for action in conditions of exceptionally peaceful time. this is time .. secondly there WILL BE (if any) only 5 pieces are two ... the plane is years old ... like me .. this is 3. a maximum of 4 is held in the air e hours in the barrage zone) ... and if there are 2-3 or 3 such zones ... or they will attack us or reveal funds from only one direction
And so on and so forth

[alicante11]

With these losses of ours, do you consider this ... "used normally"? belay

Well, there were losses at the beginning, when EW aircraft were not used. Then they crushed, and this, apparently, was mainly based on electronic warfare, since, in principle, the Georgian air defense system was preserved. In principle, the links are pretty much information.

Continuous "positive" wassat .. if in Russian .. then driving over the ears ".. no more.

I think you are not quite right. We do not need as many EW aircraft as the Amers.
Our air defense system is built on a principle different from amers. It is built on the basis of air defense systems, aviation plays an auxiliary role of maneuvering forces to strengthen certain directions. It is in these areas that EW funds can be concentrated. Of course, few of whom, I agree. The same is true for front-line strike aircraft. Which can be used in a kind of centralized air operations and the forces conducting these operations just will be given to aviation electronic warfare. Whereas at the tactical level, one will have to rely on ground-based EW systems.

[s1н7т]

Quote: alicante11

here is the "patrimony" of the IBA

And what, a lot of IBA as part of the Air Force / Air Defense of the Russian Federation?
Something seems to me that the IBA has remained in the distant USSR

[alicante11]

Let's define the terms. IBA - Destructive Bomber Aviation. That is, as I understand it, these are fighter-bombers working in the air and, partially, on the ground. Now all fighters have the option of working on the ground. Not to the extent that special attack aircraft, but they have. Therefore, the IBA can be attributed to all the fighter aircraft of the Russian Air Force, which is fighting in the air and striking the ground in the front line. Including and front-line bombers if they are working on the front line.
As I understand this term. If I do not understand correctly, correct it.
FBA - Frontline Bomber Aviation - operating in the operational depths of an enemy battle formation. It is really difficult for her to use EW helicopters, which over the front edge of the enemy will fall under the fire of MANPADS and short-range air defense systems, however, for her there are airborne electronic warfare systems. Which, of course, are not many, which I wrote about above and how they can be used. As for the strategists, I do not think that the Americans will be able to cover their strategists with EW aircraft, which have a shorter range. Whereas refueling in the air during wartime in the presence of combat-ready aircraft, especially interceptors and AWACS aircraft, which can detect tankers and direct interceptors on them, is a very problematic operation.

[s1н7т]

Quote: alicante11

Let's define the terms. IBA - Destructive Bomber Aviation

IBA as a separate (and very specific) kind of front-line aviation is absent in the Russian Air Force / Air Defense 25 years, probably. And what is determined here? The ability of an individual aircraft to once perform one of the tasks of the IBA cannot replace the capabilities of the entire aviation industry, I think. Another question is whether an IBA is needed at all, but I'm not a pilot, I don’t know. Although when I served in the Air Force, I was very impressed with the Su-17M3, M4 — they could use special items, intercept, conduct air combat, strike at both group and single targets from the front line and to great depths. Without re-equipment, with regular, so to speak, weapons.

[alicante11]

Well then, your comment, in principle, is not related to the discussion. Since it is discussed precisely the possibility of covering the electronic warfare helicopter systems with the actions of aviation (any) in the tactical depth of enemy construction, which corresponds to the actions of the ISA. And it’s not at all a discussion of the presence or absence of ISA, as a separate kind of front-line aviation. If you simply expressed your negative attitude towards the absence of ISA in the modern Air Force, then I should not have, in principle, developed this topic, which is offtopic.

[snifer]

I've also thought about this subject, we need to buy the Yak-130 as much as possible (not an expensive good plane)

[dmitrij.blyuz]

New contract for 48 cars? Very good. It would be better if it were 480. It’s sensible.

[just exp]

480 better than the T-50 was.

[VAF]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

They will become basic when hundreds of them are in service.

Sanya ... BEAUTIFUL! .. already HUSBAND's speech !!!

[INVESTOR]

What does it mean "if the GPS turns off" ????

[St Petrov]

GPS toy is not ours and we are not playing it

And about the lamentation that is not enough - remember, the cost of one such fighter is equal to the annual budget for the defense of one Central European country.

We also launch submarines, build dozens of helicopters, and update the Strategic Rocket Forces at the Stakhanov pace.

Yesterday, a 30 contract was concluded with a Ka-52 tail on the Mistral.
Mi-28N is already about 80 pieces in the army.
Su-34 I have no clue about the exact figure - but the technique goes

Where are few? What are you talking about? Lift the site’s archive in the 2000s (if it already existed), then the military personnel had about 16, no one saw the new equipment, the old one didn’t go and they didn’t believe in the army anymore.

Stupidly there was no fuel. Just like now (censorship) ...

And now you see little of them) Conveyor connoisseurs (censorship)

[Russ69]

Quote: s-t Petrov

And now you see little of them)

Appetite comes with eating ....

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: Russ69

Appetite comes with eating ....

... appetite comes after eating

[Manul]

Quote: s-t Petrov

And now you see little of them) Conveyor connoisseurs pliat)

Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!

[Anton Gavrilov]

Mi-28 73 pieces or so.
Ka-52 65 pieces.
Su-34 39 production samples.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

Mi-28 73 pieces or so.
Ka-52 65 pieces.

To the whole country? I remember that in the neighboring ODShBr (one of ...) there were 3 helicopter regiments (about 130 pieces), one of which was on the Mi-24. Then, damn it, we were respected all over the world! And now we have a sea of ​​oligarchs and 140 new helicopters? I see no reason for pride.

[Su24]

Quote: c1n7

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

Mi-28 73 pieces or so.
Ka-52 65 pieces.

To the whole country? I remember that in the neighboring ODShBr (one of ...) there were 3 helicopter regiments (about 130 pieces), one of which was on the Mi-24. Then, damn it, we were respected all over the world! And now we have a sea of ​​oligarchs and 140 new helicopters? I see no reason for pride.

Do not understand. The brigade consists of 3 (three) helicopter regiments? What is it like? After all, the brigade consists of battalions. And how many then personnel in such a brigade? Like in two divisions?

[patsantre]

Quote: s-t Petrov

And about the lamentation that is not enough - remember, the cost of one such fighter is equal to the annual budget for the defense of one Central European country.

This, as I understand it, is exaggerated?

Quote: s-t Petrov

Where are few? What are you talking about? Lift the site’s archive in the 2000s (if it already existed), then the military personnel had about 16,

Then the bread was sold for 8 rubles ...)

[Su24]

Well, now there’s 16 bread, and the lieutenants’s RF is still at least 40 thousand.

[St Petrov]

yesterday bought bread for 9 rubles in Dixie

[patsantre]

In Samara I buy for 20-32.

[alicante11]

27 Khabarovsk

[Su24]

Quote: s-t Petrov

And about the lamentation that is not enough - remember, the cost of one such fighter is equal to the annual budget for the defense of one Central European country.

Well, after all, it should be noted that the cost of the Su-35 is $ 30-40 million. And the military budget, for example Poland, is approx. 12 billion dollars of Spain ~ 25 lard. And even Denmark has about 4-5 lards.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: INVESTOR

What does it mean "if the GPS turns off" ????

In Chechnya, GPS gave such a large error that it could not be an accidental malfunction!
At the same time, I heard that the militants had an amendment formula that, by the way, was regularly changing!

[s1н7т]

Quote: serega.fedotov

In Chechnya, GPS gave such a large error that it could not be an accidental malfunction!

And in the 80s, there was no GPS on the Su-17m3,4, but there was navigation. Maybe it's not about the "conservatory"?

[silver_roman]

in the events of 08.08.08 they tell us that the GPS was blocked. Therefore, then Glonass began to develop hastily. Well, there is such an opinion ...

[inkass_98]

Quote: INVESTOR

What does it mean "if the GPS turns off" ????

When NASA clicks the button at the Pentagon’s direction, it will go out, as it was in Iraq. Because the system is American.

[NPogZ]

As a sanction, it is planned to disconnect Russia from the ZhPS

[NPogZ]

And on GLONASS ...

[VAF]

Quote: INVESTOR

What does it mean "if the GPS turns off" ????

This is a question not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ... only it was necessary to put it differently - "... but how did we fly without the GBC and any RTS and near and far
Just another article in style " "written

Quote from the article ".. The Su-35S has a navigation system that autonomously determines the aircraft's location and parameters of its movement in the absence of satellite navigation and communication with ground services. That is, if GPS or GLONASS is turned off, the fighter will not get lost."

1. there is satellite navigation. And there is a correction of the navigation system ..... two different things.
2. Any inertial a priori considers and always considered on its own and only if necessary, correction due to the identification of errors in clearing (discrepancies) that go beyond the necessary for the successful execution of certain operating modes .. correction was performed by GPS, by ADNS, by RSBN, according to the RLO, according to VO.

When the "pocket Garmins" appeared. Of course they made life much easier ... especially in the mountains. but ... they did the same without them and .. "did not fornicate"

[avg]

They can’t do it now. Non-technical non-personnel capabilities do not yet allow. They will start to drive, there will be a marriage. The main thing is that recovery is underway.

[Coffee_time]

And it can revive the project su47 golden eagle with the reverse sweep of the wing. Very good devices, personally saw him

[Berxen]

Quote: Coffee_time

And it can revive the project su47 golden eagle with the reverse sweep of the wing. Very good devices, personally saw him

Golden eagle is good as a technology demonstrator. In operation, the wing of the reverse sweep is very expensive.

[silver_roman]

Su-47 seemed to be just fine at close range, i.e. possessed maneuverability crazy. If I am not mistaken. Now there are other principles of air combat. The one who earlier finds out and who has a longer-range missile, he won.
That golden eagle still does not have STELS technologies essential in design. The T-50 looks much more promising. IMHO

[PROXOR]

Not really.
SU47 has a problem of air turbulence in the places of attachment of the wing to the fuselage. The air flow coming down due to the sweep of the wing arranges a swirl, which negatively affects the fuselage.

[patsantre]

Can not. What is the point of it at all? T-50 is much more perfect and at a much later stage of readiness.

[yanus]

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

By 2015, the Air Force will receive 48 Su-35S.

Why so few! Need more! The situation is this, but they are barely moving! Over there, the United States recently rattled their bones, they say the Russians are only bluffing, but there is no real power (they forgot that our real and main strength is ICBMs). It is necessary to increase !!!

Nefig yourself a little. 48 fighters of the same type per year! This is more than most countries.
Do not forget that we and in addition to the army have many problems that need to be addressed.

[silver_roman]

Quote: yanus

. 48 fighters of the same type per year!

not for a year, but for 3. the contract seems to be signed in 2012. they will close it in 2015.

[TAMERLAN 7]

Quote: yanus

that we and besides the army have many problems that need to be addressed.

It seems to me that I certainly do not want to croak, but the army is now becoming an urgent problem No. 1! And until everything else is solved - problem No. 2, if Russia does not want to find itself in the situation of another victim of the West. It is not known what kind of change will be in the GDP, do you think Russia will not want to plant pro-Western goblins? Think you a blowjob test for lice pro-Western? While the government in power needs to be in time much ...

[dimon-media]

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

While the government in power needs to be in time much ...

I think that GDP already"drags on" its reliable and proven successor. HE understands that everything that he has done for the country during his reign is not worth a penny and everything will go to dust if someone from the fifth column comes to power.
PS Ideally, V.V. Keep Putin at the head of state for life. For as much as his strength and health are enough. God grant this to him.

[yakuza39]

I support at 100% for life let him rule, well, at least while he is sane

[patsantre]

Unfortunately, this replacement can steal all the work of the predecessor ... again.

[yakuza39]

I think GDP should be left for a long time, if not forever These hypocrites from the West will not swallow us with him He is generally a young man, trying to withstand such forces! In one word, beautiful!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

Why so few! Need more!

So many factories can do. To build, it’s doubtful, people need to be recruited and trained. Or do you want to make 500 pieces in a couple of years and then close the production?

[TAMERLAN 7]

Quote: Pilat2009

So many factories can do. To build, it’s doubtful, people need to be recruited and trained. Or do you want to make 500 pieces in a couple of years and then close the production?

I would like the equipment to go in normal mode when a new equipment replaces the old one. When the concept of future tactics is scientifically thought out and samples of military equipment are created for it, and not when they try to create tactics using the received technology. At first, everything is scrapped, we destroy everything to the ground, we write off planes, ships, equipment, we don’t develop or build anything, then we start riveting the screen out of the mad ones from anything. Do you think someone like this motley company? So what to do? Now you need the potential! We have lost time! The 4th generation aircraft is still inferior to the inconspicuous 5th generation aircraft and the Su-35 cannot be compared with the T-50. I would prefer the gradual replacement of 4th generation aircraft with 5th aircraft, but we have too few 4th generation aircraft! And now they are very necessary!

[leon-iv]

When the concept of future tactics is scientifically thought out and samples of military equipment are created for it, and not when they try to create tactics using the received technology.

Hand litzo. Design Bureau ALWAYS based on the wishes of the customer.

The 4th generation aircraft is still inferior to the inconspicuous 5th generation aircraft and the Su-35 cannot be compared with the T-50.

As a tactical element of the battle is not strong. 1 on 1 likely.

[PROXOR]

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

I would like the equipment to go in normal mode when a new equipment replaces the old one. When the concept of future tactics is scientifically thought out and samples of military equipment are created for it, and not when they try to create tactics using the received technology. At first, everything is scrapped, we destroy everything to the ground, we write off planes, ships, equipment, we don’t develop or build anything, then we start riveting the screen out of the mad ones from anything. Do you think someone like this motley company? So what to do? Now you need the potential! We have lost time! The 4th generation aircraft is still inferior to the inconspicuous 5th generation aircraft and the Su-35 cannot be compared with the T-50. I would prefer the gradual replacement of 4th generation aircraft with 5th aircraft, but we have too few 4th generation aircraft! And now they are very necessary!

No, of course it’s super to have a fleet of 500 T-50s. But excuse me why? The only enemy has only 150 such aircraft. We need about 100. SU-35C is a 4 ++ generation. And in case of war with this enemy, they will work in tandem with the same T-50s and A-50s. And all this invisibility of the enemy will not be leveled.

[TAMERLAN 7]

Quote: PROXOR

And in case of war with this enemy, they will work in tandem with the same T-50s and A-50s. And all this invisibility of the enemy will not be leveled.

The fifth generation with its technology has changed the principle of war. The technology will allow a 5th generation aircraft to go unnoticed, launch missiles to a 4th generation aircraft, launch rockets and hide and go unnoticed. Yes, on the Su-35 there is a powerful radar capable of detecting a 4th generation aircraft at 400km, and a 5th aircraft at 90km and if they can attack with a conventional fighter with long-range missiles, then a 5th generation aircraft can attack them from 100-200 km without entering the detection zone. At the same time, they will not see the T-50, but the Su-35 will be in full view! If the Su-35 could detect them at 300km, then they would turn into whipping boys. Their 50th generation aircraft will also be helpless in front of the T-4. A qualitative leap has taken place and 4th generation aircraft have become morally outdated, they are an anachronism and the past!

[leon-iv]

if they can attack a conventional fighter with long-range missiles, then a 5th generation aircraft can attack them from 100-200 km without entering the detection zone.

Oh, these tales, the types of rockets in the studio, as well as typical targets at such ranges

A qualitative leap has taken place and 4th generation aircraft have become morally outdated, they are an anachronism and the past!

You should work as a preacher.
Nifiga, they are not outdated (well, if you say so, you need to specify by what parameters) and are suitable for their tasks.

[TAMERLAN 7]

Quote: leon-iv

Oh, these tales, the types of rockets in the studio, as well as typical targets at such ranges

Quote: leon-iv

You should work as a preacher.

Fairy tales? A preacher? The range of modern missiles exceeds the detection range of modern stealth radars. USA: AIM-120C-7 maximum range up to 120km, develop AIM-120D maximum range up to 180km, Russia: K-37 up to 304km, as well as RVV-DB about 300km. This is more than the maximum detection range of 90km, for the purpose with an ESR of 0,01 m2 even for such a powerful radar as the N035 Irbis mounted on the Su-35S, and western 4th-generation fighters will detect a T-50 attack when it is too late for them. Or do you want to say that the F-15, F-16 and F-18 will fill up on equal T-50 ???

Quote: leon-iv

Nifiga, they are not outdated (well, if you say so, you need to specify by what parameters) and are suitable for their tasks.

The fighter has one task - gaining dominance in the air, everything else - bonuses! To gain dominance in the air, you need to destroy the enemy before the enemy destroys you. Means: first saw, first shot down! The chances of a 5th generation aircraft (T-50 and F-22, F-35, etc.) to fail the 4th generation aircraft are incomparably higher than that of this aircraft to fill them, THIS is obvious! Generation difference! Surprised that you deny it! It's about generations of planes, not about the planes of the United States and Russia!

[leon-iv]

Learn mat part

USA: AIM-120C-7 maximum range up to 120km, develop AIM-120D maximum range up to 180km,

This range from a maximum height on a flying target is linearly uniformly accelerated without maneuvers.
With a fighter, this does not work from the word well, in general.

Russia: K-37 up to 304 km, as well as RVV-DB about 300 km.

These are toys for interceptors when hunting for bombers, AWACS, tankers. Software to destroy such a bullet is the height of wastefulness.

it is more than the maximum detection range of 90km, for a target with an EPR of 0,01m2

From what angle

and western 4th generation fighters will discover the T-50 attack when it will be too late for them.

Did the AWAC gobble?

. Or do you want to say that the F-15, F-16 and F-18 will fill up on equal T-50 ??? belay

When the competent work of all elements of the battlefield is quite, like our SU and MIG against them.

. Means: first saw, first shot down!

How will he see him?

[TAMERLAN 7]

Quote: leon-iv

This range from a maximum height on a flying target is linearly uniformly accelerated without maneuvers.

So after all, the maximum detection range of radar targets with low EPR is not given in combat conditions! Do not you think that in real conditions the detection range will be less ??? And it is necessary to compare equally. If you have the correct data - share it, I will be happy to learn from you!

Quote: leon-iv

These are toys for interceptors when hunting for bombers, AWACS, tankers. Software to destroy such a bullet top wastefulness

I just said that there are missiles that can shoot down targets at such a distance! The same RVV-SD and R-27 have a range of up to 110km. The upward trend has been and will be.

Quote: leon-iv

From what angle

On the way, so what? EPR 3 m2 up to 400 km, 1 m2 up to 300 km, 0.5 m2 up to 240 km, 0.1 m2 up to 165 km, 0.01 m2 up to 90 km.

Quote: leon-iv

Did the AWAC gobble?

E-3Bs have an improved AN / APY-2 radar with a 4PiCC-2 onboard computer, it is stated that after upgrading the receiving part of the locator, the latter will be able to detect objects with an RCS of 1 square meter at a distance of up to 425 km. А-50 (EPR = 1 m²): 215 km! I have no data on EPR 0,01m2, but not much further than Irbis. If we consider that the AWACS glows and can be shot down by long-range missiles and from a 4th generation aircraft, and it is not patrolling at the front line, then ...

Quote: leon-iv

When the competent work of all elements of the battlefield is quite

And we then boobies spend so much money on the stupid 5th generation !!! Why do we need then the T-50 if we already throw all the hats ???

Quote: leon-iv

How will he see him?

Quote: leon-iv

Learn mat part

Themselves answered!

[sivuch]

So after all, the maximum detection range of radar targets with low EPR is not given in combat conditions!
-------------------------------
Not necessarily. I already wrote that there have been cases, and it’s not uncommon when targets were found at ranges greater than passport ones. That is, a range of 100 km under the indicated conditions (there should be a long list) the radar should provide, and more like a map will lie. But in general, let VAF correct me better.
In addition, we again rest against the question of the real EPR of the rector and penguin. This such holivar can rise

[patsantre]

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

On the way, so what? EPR 3 m2 up to 400 km, 1 m2 up to 300 km, 0.5 m2 up to 240 km, 0.1 m2 up to 165 km, 0.01 m2 up to 90 km

This is the data at a scan angle, if not mistaken, of 10 degrees. In general, to compare on an equal footing, you need to take other numbers that are significantly less.

[TAMERLAN 7]

Quote: patsantre

This is the data at a scan angle, if not mistaken, of 10 degrees. In general, to compare on an equal footing, you need to take other numbers that are significantly less.

Absolutely right. To be absolutely precise, here are the data on the Irbis radar:
- targets with an EPR of 3 square meters on the opposite courses - 350-400 km (in the field of view 10 x 10 degrees)
- targets with an EPR of 3 square meters on the opposite courses - 200 km (in the field of view 17,3 x 17,3 degrees = 300 sq. degrees)
- targets with an EPR of 3 square meters on the opposite courses against the background of the earth - 170 km (in the field of view 17,3 x 17,3 degrees = 300 sq. degrees)
- targets with an EPR of 3 sq. m at catch-up courses - 80 km (in the field of view 17,3 x 17,3 degrees = 300 sq. degrees)
- targets with an EPR of 3 square meters at catch-up courses on the background of the earth - 50 km (in the field of view 17,3 x 17,3 degrees = 300 sq. degrees)
- targets with EPR 1 sq. m - up to 300 km
- targets with EPR 0,5 sq. m - up to 240 km
- targets with EPR 0,1 sq. m - up to 165 km
- targets with EPR 0,01 sq. m - up to 90 km
Actual data on both missiles and radar will be significantly lower. Unfortunately, I do not have real data, and many of our products have to be evaluated according to export modifications, the indicators of which differ from domestic ones.

[sivuch]

You see, all these numbers of launch ranges without a very detailed listing of conditions are nothing more than a filkin letter. Usually (unless indicated separately) we mean that the carrier and the target are in opposite courses with a zero parameter, with super speeds and at high altitudes. The target does not maneuver and does not interfere. And it is understood that there are no problems with identification. (The last friendly helicopter, NYA, the Americans shot down in 1993, and General Alekseev in his Afghan memoirs recalled that he nearly shot down his Su-17). So the real range will be 3-4 times less.
The launch of the UR by itself unmasks the carrier. Yet in Vietnam, when launching the PRR, separation of targets was observed, and then the flaps opened. The ur has a far from zero IR signature, especially when the starting engine (the dual-mode engine itself) is working. Yes and the fairing heats slightly. it is no coincidence that all the latter types are equipped with IR stations for detecting approaching missiles. Yes, and a well-defined EPR for the missile is also available.
In the same way, the detection ranges of radars are the same probability numbers. In which solid angle, with what probability, by which EPR (real, not paper)? In some cases, radars, even those ancient like Sapphire-MLA, issued ranges greater than the passport, and it happened the other way around.
This is to say that stealth, of course, gives a great advantage, but it’s also impossible to say that they succeed.
And I would so far, for several years, would have counted not on the T-50 - when it was still brought, but on the fact that it would be necessary to fight (if, God forbid, it will be) in its own half of the field. , in its own radar field, with its own RTR stations, say, Valeria, with its ground and other electronic warfare stations, to spoil the life of the adversary, etc.

[PROXOR]

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

The fifth generation with its technology has changed the principle of war. The technology will allow a 5th generation aircraft to go unnoticed, launch missiles to a 4th generation aircraft, launch rockets and hide and go unnoticed. Yes, on the Su-35 there is a powerful radar capable of detecting a 4th generation aircraft at 400km, and a 5th aircraft at 90km and if they can attack with a conventional fighter with long-range missiles, then a 5th generation aircraft can attack them from 100-200 km without entering the detection zone. At the same time, they will not see the T-50, but the Su-35 will be in full view! If the Su-35 could detect them at 300km, then they would turn into whipping boys. Their 50th generation aircraft will also be helpless in front of the T-4. A qualitative leap has taken place and 4th generation aircraft have become morally outdated, they are an anachronism and the past!

And here I think the tactics of using fighters are being developed. First, let me remind you that AWACS aircraft will have a more powerful radar than even the T-50. In the second, no one bothers to let the first echelon of the T-50, and keep the more armed SU-35s behind at just 100-120 km. By the time the F-22 sees the first SU-35s, the T-50 will be gone, and it will be back to back. And I will note one more thing. F-22 in passive search mode is not so "big-eyed".
SU-35 in this bundle acts as a carrier of powerful, long-range air-to-air missiles. T-50 is reconnaissance in battle. Well, by the time the SU-35 enters the battle, the MiGi-31e will arrive and they will already have 3-4 R-33 missiles suspended. The mattress will be able to cope with us only by number. But here is the question of the tactics of reconciliation. No one bothers to set up air defense systems quietly in the battle zone. And do not turn on their radars until all the aircraft are in full view. And when the mess begins the second and third echelon is cut off by the air defense system. In any case, the slaughter will be still that.

[TAMERLAN 7]

Quote: PROXOR

And here, I think, the tactics of reconciling fighters are being developed. First, let me remind you that the DRLO aircraft will have more powerful radar than even the T-50. In the second, no one bothers to launch the first echelon of the T-50, and to keep the more armed SU-35 behind just the same at 100-120km.

Of course, with skillful tactics, it is quite possible to successfully apply the 4th generation. After all, the United States also did not acquire a continuous fleet of invisibles. Your tactics may well be successful! I think it is close to real!
As one friend of mine put it: "If the Aurora were 100 meters from the Zumwald, it is still unknown who would have won?" But this does not mean that "Aurora" is equivalent to "Zumwalt"!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

but we and 4th generation aircraft are too few

so you tell me how to do it. see post above

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

At first everything is scrapped, we destroy everything to the ground

true, but these are the fruits of the reformers of the 90s who wanted to be friends and live peacefully with everyone. For example, today, the troops of Ukraine

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

new technology replaces the old.

until 27 have exhausted their resources, let them fly — first, pilots need to train, and secondly, it’s too bold to renew the fleet every 15 years

[xbhxbr-777]

Very correct! It is necessary to increase!

[Coffee_time]

Official page "SOUTH FRONT"
Today in 11: 43
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Negotiations at the police department have just ended. Gave 2 hours to pass
weapons, otherwise there will be an assault !!!
EVERYTHING ON ODE!
(Donbass donated by radio) Don’t sound the alarm, ring the bells, call the TV! Request repost !!!

[Rusin Dima]

This is not a plane, but a whole range of weapons for this, and 48 pieces can make such a rustle

[Cherdak]

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

Why so few! Need more! The situation is this, but they are barely moving!

It is curious enough to get acquainted with the expert opinion:

Guilty without guilt
Oleg Matveychev, political strategist

Given:

1. Recent events in Crimea, sudden exercises, etc., have shown that Russia has an army, is well armed, equipped, and trained. By the way, the events in South Ossetia confirmed the same thing. Even living conditions seem to Ukrainians just a fairy tale.
2. Again, the latest actions of the authorities (in the broadest sense of the word) indicate the presence of common sense and logic. As well as the professionalism of the army commanders, who supposedly all "left the army."

The army is not done for six months, and for the year too. But in the beginning of the zero we had no combat-ready units and there was a complete collapse.

Conclusion: Serdyukov did no harm, and maybe brought great benefit.

By the way, of the 15 billion that he allegedly stole, the Ministry of Defense has already recognized that everything was found. And the part turned out to be insignificant in the scale of the army and obviously did not have a direct relationship with Serdyukov personally.

Or maybe it is worth punishing those representatives of the Investigative Committee who unprofessionally promoted on Serdyukov, made him a demon, discredited all the power in Russia, and then turned out to be unable to prove anything?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Cherdak

By the way, of the 15 billion that he allegedly stole

So he personally did not steal anything. But the land and objects were sold with fraud. + His brother-in-law was warm

Quote: Cherdak

well armed, equipped, trained

There is no need to paint here on the example of Georgia. The Georgians simply darted to Tbilisi. In essence, there was no verification by war, and God forbid. An example with Ukraine is also not an indicator, Ukrainians simply did not resist and everything is bad in the army
Only the interaction of all branches of the armed forces and communication with the leadership and neighbors can show real combat effectiveness, otherwise the battalion commander was contacted by cell phone in Ossetia

[Su24]

Quote: TAMERLAN 7

By 2015, the Air Force will receive 48 Su-35S.

Why so few! Need more! The situation is this, but they are barely moving! Over there, the United States recently rattled their bones, they say the Russians are only bluffing, but there is no real power (they forgot that our real and main strength is ICBMs). It is necessary to increase !!!

How for .. bali such komenty! Stop drizzling!

This was reported by the ARMS-TASS news agency with reference to the UAC president Mikhail Pogosyan. According to Pogosyan, this year the corporation will supply the Su-24S fighter aircraft in full serial configuration to the 35 air force. Twelve fighters were transferred to military pilots in early February, and the next twelve will be delivered before the end of the year. In 2015, the transfer of the final 14 aircraft of this type is scheduled. Given the previously delivered four flight test vehicles and six Su-35s transferred in 2012, all 48 fighters will go to the Air Force.

Well done Poghosyan) Machines of 2013 delivery counted this year)) 24 fighter, damn it))
I wish military success to our pilots!

[Wiruz]

Su-35S will become the main heavy fighters of our Air Force

The fighter is beautiful, but the number (48 pieces by 2015) is sad. And much

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Wiruz

The fighter is beautiful, but the number (48 pieces by 2015) is sad. And much

Do not be sad...
Next in line is the SU-50.
He also needs funds.
And the funds are not small.
For example, the SU-34 costs around 1 billion rubles.
And after 2015, I doubt that additional contracts for the next batches of SU-35 will be concluded.

[Bort radist]

Quote: GreatRussia

Do not be sad...
Next in line is the SU-50.

The Tupolev Design Bureau has completed the design of a promising long-range aviation complex (PAK DA). This, as reported by Jane's, citing a source in the military-industrial complex, said the President of the United Aircraft Corporation Mikhail Pogosyan. In the near future, production of some components for the prototype aircraft is expected to begin.
The process is going on.

[ty60]

It’s high time to prepare the change of Tu22,95 and 160. Existing to carry out modernization. However, the same money.

[VeteranS]

The most important thing is that the supply of the most modern technology to our Armed Forces is systematically going on, because now even those who have seen some kind of partner in the United States (liberals and human rights activists), it is now clear that in the person of the United States and NATO we see an obvious and mortal enemy, and we must prepare carefully and with God's help for a war with these foes. No wonder they say, "If you want peace, prepare for war!"
God save Russia and holy Russia!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Wiruz

but the quantity (48 pieces by 2015) is sad.

Three years ago, new aircraft accounted for units. The contract was signed at 48, for that reason. A new contract will be signed soon.

[ispaniard]

It is high time! But in the light of current events we must Accelerate and Accelerate again !!! We have only two allies who will never betray and fail this our Army and Navy.

[leon17]

Well, at the end, for so many years !!!!!

[tolyasik0577]

Clear heaven, Lord.

[Stiletto]

To "change the guard" in the sky, you need 300 of them ... For a start.

[Patriot.ru.]

Also, the old DRY is not all that bad.

[Mozart]

The locator is good, but do we have air-to-air missiles of this range?

[Wiruz]

All hope for RVV-DB and RVV-SD

[badandrew]

Well, with such a range, several aircraft will probably be able to use as a kind of AWACS, for example, for guiding ground-based air defense systems that are in a passive mode

[dimarm74]

Well, the volumes will not immediately increase. Still, the growth is still decent, from year to year. And with the pah ... pah helicopters ... It’s not even bad.

[Giant thought]

Good thing we have SU-35. And the presence of such combat capabilities in this aircraft allows it to be on the same line with the best combat aircraft in the world. That would be to increase the speed of entry and the number of aircraft entering the troops. I think that our presence of such aircraft will be a good barrier to the adversary.

[Alexander-81]

In Kharkov, caught an American in the form of a falcon 10.04.14/XNUMX/XNUMX LINK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3NgHXZjb9E

[wizarden]

Normally, they will buy 48 pieces, fly around, reveal shortcomings, then order more already modified one.
As an example, the Su-34:

2008 - an order for 32 aircraft
2012 - an order for 92 aircraft

[kartalovkolya]

"Don't drive horses" colleagues - everything will be and very soon.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Little of course, but the main thing is that in the serial configuration they started to produce!

[ler666]

I do not believe Poghosyan! Like Plushenko.

[sivuch]

He probably doesn’t believe you either. But I think he is vitally interested in increasing the output of the Su-35

[Ka-52]

he is vitally interested

The economy rules ...

[svp67]

Quote: ler666

I do not believe Poghosyan! Like Plushenko

Well, everyone has their own opinion, but what do not believe it?

[Shoma-1970]

He, what let you down?

[aleks 62]

Quote: Mozart

The locator is good, but do we have air-to-air missiles of this range?

.... Missiles of such a range are rather large in size (for example, c-300) and only very large aircraft can pull them, and not a heavy one. fighter....

[Bronis]

Quote: aleks 62

.... Missiles of such a range are rather large in size (for example, c-300) and only very large aircraft can pull them, and not a heavy one. fighter....

P-37 - maximum range of about 300 km. There were projects up to 400 km. COP-172.
A heavy fighter in the wave can carry such missiles, and for this it is needed. MiG-31 and Su-27 confirmation of this.
The fundamental difference with C-300 missiles is the difference in energy, warhead mass, launch, etc., which determines the difference in dimensions and total weight.

[PROXOR]

Quote: Bronis

There were projects up to 400 km. KS-172

Why were there. They’re doing it now, they are fine-tuning. I want to note that the dimensions of both the R-33 and KS-172 are such that they will not fit into the bomb bays of 5th generation fighters. The mattresses also have them. They can be carried either by Dryers or by the MiGi-31e.

[Stasi]

The news is great, I am glad that, although slowly, new equipment and weapons are being supplied to the troops. By the way, even "old" fighters of other modifications, after undergoing modernization, may well serve even before they are replaced with SU-35S and other aircraft. Replace the engine, increase the radar's viewing range, and upgrade the air-to-air missiles - that's all, the "oldies" will show themselves. While our Air Force has to act in this way, modernizing the 4th generation fighters, the 5th generation is late. But I am glad that the situation is beginning to change for the better.

[With Petrovsky]

As the saying goes: "Keep it up," although I would like more.

[Al_lexx]

Thank you for the good news.
Article plus.

[Little Muck]

Well, thank you! More, and more often, such news.
Still about our fleet, a rapidly growing read, and generally LEPOT.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Some kind of strange article.

A new contract is being prepared for the supply to the Armed Forces of the newest super destroyers. By 2015, the Air Force will get 48 Su-35C.

Sukhoi had a contract for 48 Su-35С before 2015? It was, it seems that 34 cars were already installed on it. Is there a new contract? No, just about to sign. And it is written as if, in addition to the current contract for 48 dryers to 2015, they are going to sign another one

[alex56]

The news is wonderful !!
But how would you like such news to come from other design bureaus.
Especially MiG)))) 35 I can not wait !! Maybe someone knows the progress? It seems they promised to conclude a contract for 29? But there is no news (((

[arutun]

I agree, a heavy aircraft is needed, but also a light, inexpensive modern fighter to gain superiority in the air, oh, how you need it.
In Soviet times, the ratio of the MiG-29 and Su-27 was 2: 1; now the Su family is mainly purchased. I would like to see in the ranks and a new light fighter.

[cucun]

I agree completely. While Poghosyan steers, priority will be for Su. MiG feel sorry, excellent and not very good. expensive car....

[PROXOR]

Quote: cucun

MiG feel sorry, excellent and not very good. expensive car....

There will be a MIG holiday. For the Navy they will take the Migi to Kuzya. And on promising aircraft carriers MIGs will take.

[GAndr]

Do not rush, order exactly as much as our industry can really handle now. What is the use of ordering 500 immediately if they are not realistic? Moreover, the contract is limited in time. They calculated how much time to really do in this time, and ordered so much. Remember a couple of years ago, airplanes in units a year were delivered to the army and every new airplane, in the army, it was just a holiday. And now they are supplying dozens and are not happy. Yes, you dear snickered ...
Everything goes according to plan - "we will quietly descend from the mountain ..."

[Vtel]

I am glad that electronics is beginning to replace pressure gauges and levers. The bird turned out good and can not bite sickly - Thank God!

[KAPITANUS]

Here Russia will rearm and carry out an operation - AT FORCING THE USA TO THE WORLD! The whole WORLD is waiting for the start of this operation.

[ken]

The fact that there are few new aircraft now is a matter of time. Over time, we will have a large, and most importantly, a new air fleet. In the meantime .....

[Nevyatoy]

And what about the west against the SU-35S? What vehicles on TTX are his equal rivals and how many of them?

[wizarden]

Today, the Su-35S is objectively the best representative of 4th generation fighters. Only the American decker F / A-18 Super Hornet can compete with him, and even then he lags behind him in almost all respects. True, just recently a new version of Advanced Super Hornet was introduced, so far little is known about it.
The Americans are now armed with a 500 F / A-18 Super Hornet.

[PROXOR]

Quote: wizarden

Today, the Su-35S is objectively the best representative of 4th generation fighters. Only the American decker F / A-18 Super Hornet can compete with him, and even then he lags behind him in almost all respects. However, just recently a new version of Advanced Super Hornet was introduced, little is known about it. Americans are currently armed with 500 F / A-18 Super Hornet.

The F / A-18 Super Hornet is a ground bombing machine. Against the SU-35S in an air battle, he has a chance of zero point hell. The F / A-18 Super Hornet glider remained the same and it is visible on CE-35C radars like a tree with a garland in a dark night forest, and given that the Matrasnikov have no missiles with a launch range of 300 km, the SU-35C will be noticed earlier and will fire earlier.

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: PROXOR

And what about the west against the SU-35S? What vehicles on TTX are his equal rivals and how many of them?

Probably the F-35SE Silent Eagle is more suitable for comparison with the Su-15. Also a very serious device.

[PROXOR]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

Probably the F-35SE Silent Eagle is more suitable for comparison with the Su-15. Also a very serious device.

Yes, I agree. Before engaging in close combat, they are on an equal footing. Both have AFAR, the aviation is about the same, the only one for the F-15SE Silent Eagle is the pilot's helmet-mounted guidance system, which has already been pushed onto the F-35. But as soon as the fight moves to the "ground" the F-15SE Silent Eagle will immediately deflate. The SU-35S is more thrust-rated and has engines with a deflected thrust vector. In a 2v2 fight, both F-15SE Silent Eagles will lose completely.

[patsantre]

Bullshit city. There is no AFAR on the Su-35, it has a PFAR, but the radar is more powerful. In the silent needle, moreover, stealth technologies are applied more. Perhaps this partially compensates for the lack of radar power. At the same time, amers have longer-range medium-range missiles. And there is already a bunch of nuances, it is very difficult to predict who is stronger in the Far East. But in BVB ours will mark them out.

[patsantre]

It seems to me weaker in aerial combat, but abruptly in strike operations.

[patsantre]

I agree in general, the F-18 has no chance against the Su-35 either at short range or at long range.

Quote: PROXOR

and given that Matrasnikov has no missiles with a launch range of 300 km, the SU-35S will both notice earlier and fire earlier.

But I don’t understand why. Drying also has nothing to answer from such a distance. DB missiles against fighters are ineffective.
Another thing is that without the hockey F-18 they will not get anywhere. And medium-range missiles they fly farther than ours ... and here R-33 and more modern ones are useful to remove hokai from the sky.

[patsantre]

F-22. On TTX is not equal, there are advantages and disadvantages. 187 pieces
F-35. In a dogfight weaker than the 22nd, but also dangerous.
Well, the latest modifications of the F-15, but they are not available, and I think there will be weaker drying.

[Vital 33]

Why didn't they write "DOES NOT HAVE ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD !!!" ??

[sazhka4]

1983 year. Happy Times. Didn't like the panel. Lots of buttons and gestures. BACKGROUNDS. They put such a "tricky device" on the simulator, round with bulbs, "where it was necessary to extinguish the bulbs of a certain color, a certain button fixed on the control handle during the task. I performed" flights "on the simulator, since none of The "flyers" did not pass the test. "The horses are drunk, the lads are harnessed." Question. From what distance should I start to press the buttons. I tried, it does not work .. But I extinguished the bulbs in full program .. They did a "raid" on me .. I . Private. 5000 flight hours .. An incomprehensible symbiosis .. I am just a Soldier .. After passing through the Service, everyone is able to "control" the Strategist ?. Experience what to do? I doubt that it is "right" to use ... Is there something to think about ???

[kelevra]

Very, very good news!

[ybrcfy27]

Earlier, when I saw such news, I had the thought that this is all a lie, but I already believe it

[Igor75]

Good news. But annoying is that now there is a bias in the stronon of heavy vehicles. The composition of the Air Force should be balanced.

[morpogr]

Just a handsome plane.

[storm wind]

Slowly moving forward .. It really pleases! The road will be overcome by a walker!

[Cossacks]

Add two monitors instead of a part of the gauges, this is not a reason to claim for almost 5 generations. When will this Poghosyan - Serdyukov from the aircraft industry get what he deserves. The answer is obvious.

[Berxen]

Quote: Cossacks

Add two monitors instead of a part of the gauges, this is not a reason to claim for almost 5 generations. When will this Poghosyan - Serdyukov from the aircraft industry get what he deserves. The answer is obvious.

In addition to the IFIs, which appeared before the Su-35, those are the other engines and other avionics. Stop sketching.

[Cossacks]

Forgive generously, stop scribbling - that's what. You can somehow simpler. By God I did not understand. Along the way, I make excuses. I did not want to say anything bad about the plane. But SU-35 with AL-41 engines and with electronics (in part, our Kaluga plant). Poghosyan (probably not himself) tried to hide China and another 9 countries, but to no avail. Paid our combat regiments. It is becoming increasingly difficult to live on loans from the USSR. Sincerely V.Kazakov

[Cossacks]

I did not understand your nickname, but I answer again. Not even you, but aviation and Putin lovers. The modernized SU-27 of the last century, although with two pluses, is objectively the last century, which even the countries of the third world have not been led to.

[Cossacks]

I did not understand your nickname, but I answer again. Not even you, but aviation and Putin lovers. The modernized SU-27 of the last century, although with two pluses, is objectively the last century, which even the countries of the third world have not been led to.

[Cossacks]

Or to whom it is necessary to explain, otherwise marshals by rating can’t dig into the little things with their hands.

[patsantre]

You yourself would have delved into them first.

[Cossacks]

Or to whom it is necessary to explain, otherwise marshals by rating can’t dig into the little things with their hands.

[cerbuk6155]

Just a wonderful plane. But NATO is afraid of our aircraft. It is not for them to bombard YUGOSLAVIA. They are scared here. Keep it up.

[luka095]

Good news. The main thing is that everything goes according to schedule and without force majeure.

[Manul]

And do not forget that in addition to buying equipment, you also need to invest money in its maintenance and supply of ammunition. It’s not enough just to put the plane. And to train the pilot, technicians? And the airfield, hangars, spare parts? And most importantly - how much is the weaponry, which is becoming more and more complicated and expensive? And invest in the development of all this miracle? So it’s enough to vote, which’s not enough. Nowadays (do not forget that the country also needs to feed the people), and the breadth of development of our armed forces is an excellent figure!

[VNP1958PVN]

BZHRK need to run. It smells like fried. But the SU-35 is also good!

[Sinbad]

Good news! BUT ..., dear, think! After all, the army and its rearmament are, first of all, military and state secrets. What we are discussing is just a public, ostentatious part. Imagine what really happens (just do not talk about it, just imagine).

[Patriot23]

"That is, if GPS or GLONASS is turned off, the fighter will not get lost."
what does GPS do on our plane like American origin .... and domestic glonass

[Landwarrior]

No big deal. It's just that navigators now go multi-frequency. The more signals, the more accurate the location, no more

[62 RUSSIAN]

Why give such numbers? It is necessary to write such that for a long time they could not get off the toilet.

[KOSMOS]

The road will be overcome by a walker! The general picture of the entry of arms and equipment into the army in recent years is encouraging!

[Roman 1977]

Deliveries of new aircraft and helicopters to the Russian Air Force in 2013:
-------------------------------------
Su-35С - 12 pcs.

Su-34 - 14 pcs. The 47 Su-34 as part of the Air Force is already quite solid, of course the first batch was raw, but on the whole the real rearmament of front-line aviation is on - very happy! Serial 39. Of the other pre-production and experimental, only one of the testers flies in Akhtubinsk. But 14 Su-34 this year is very decent. This year it seems that even 16 is promised, and if they do at least 17, then it will be just PERFECT !!!

Su-30СМ - 14
Su-30M2 - 4 pcs.
MiG-29K - 2 pcs.
MIG-29 CUBE - 2 pcs.

Yak-130 - 18 pcs.

An-148-100Е - 1 pcs.
An-140-100 - 3 pcs.
L-410UVP-E20- 3 pcs.
Tu-154M - 1 pcs.
Tu-214ON - 1 pcs.

Mi-28H - 14 pcs.
Ka-52 - 17 pcs.

Mi-35 - 8 pcs.

Mi-26 - 4 pcs.
Mi-8AMTSH - 53 pcs.
Mi-8MTV5 - 10 pcs.
Ansat-U - 6 pcs.
----------------------
Total 75 new aircraft (of which 3 from the Czech Republic)
and 112 new helicopters.
In civil aviation, it is not bad either: CJSC Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (SCAC) flew 2013 new Sukhoi SuperJet SSJ24 aircraft in 100.

22-th aircraft Sukhoi SuperJet SSJ100 built 2013 year (serial number 95045, temporary registration 97010). This is the ninth SSJ100 for the Mexican airline Interjet. The plane was lifted into the air in Komsomolsk-on-Amur 22.12.2013.

[Fanat1984]

And the Czechs, I would have sent !!!

[capex1]

Su-35 is not a plane, it is a blade that pierces the sky and a magnificent specimen to tear apart the belly of a bald eagle. Have you seen how he flies !!!! So that I fly like that !!! So that we all fly like that !!!!

[Sochi]

I read the news and quietly go nuts ... from the moment of my birth to the present day aviation and indeed the technology has changed so much that you will not find it in any science fiction! Respect to our design engineers, scientists and simple hard workers who created and produce SUCH equipment.

[Anton Gavrilov]

The plane is magnificent - it is equally good in both melee and long-range combat. In melee combat, it confidently wins over American 5 generation fighters - the results of simulation battles are a good example. I talked to a person from the defense min from the procurement department, according to him the number of aircraft of this type should confidently exceed 100.

[VeteranS]

When I served in the DA on the TU-95 in 1971 under the fuselage, we dragged unmanned aircraft (cruise missiles) with a range of up to 500 km., I.e. the launched cruise missile fell 50 meters, its engines turned on and it flew independently to the conventional aircraft carrier, and 30-50 km to the target its wings were dropped and it (the rocket) rushed with a nuclear warhead to the conventional American aircraft carrier .... with amazing ability 100X100 km. I imagine how much more powerful and efficient our aviation is now!
God save Russia and Holy Russia!

[typhoon7]

Quote: GreatRussia

+ SU-30

Only until 2016 will be delivered:

A contract was signed for 30 Su-30SM until 2015. Plus, another contract was signed for the supply of 30 Su-30SM fighters until 2016. Plus a contract for 16 Su-30M2 aircraft for 2013-2015.

Those. only until 2016, the SU-30 of various modifications will be about 76 pieces.
Together with the SU-35 of the new SUshki there will be over 120 pieces, not counting the upgraded 27s.
Plus new MiG-29SMT, already in service, about 30.

And this is only for the latest fighter aircraft until 2016.

The flywheel of rearmament unwinds, that's good. The car is cool, the pilot's workplace (if I may say so) is super. I can imagine what joy the pilots had, they waited, respect article, our Air Force too!

[51064]

Quote: INVESTOR

What does it mean "if the GPS turns off" ????

In conditions where there is no coverage area, or the system is disabled, or suppressed by enemy electronic warfare equipment.

[Barakuda]

Somehow we pay little attention to cheaper and lighter front-line MiGs. It's a magnificent car. The Americans do not discount their F-16, which is no match for the Migu.

[Russ69]

The Tupolev Design Bureau has completed the design of a promising long-range aviation complex (PAK DA). This was stated by the President of the United Aircraft Corporation, Mikhail Pogosyan, as reported by Jane's, citing a source in the military-industrial complex. Production of some components for the prototype aircraft is expected to begin soon. Poghosyan did not disclose any details regarding the promising bomber. Currently, the Tupolev Design Bureau itself and the Kazan Aviation Production Association named after Gorbunov are taking part in the project. Both of these enterprises are currently part of the United Aircraft Corporation, which provides general management of the work.

Source: http://politikus.ru/army/16619-tupolev-zavershil-proektirovanie-novogo-bombardir
ovschika.html
Politikus.ru

[sv68]

very good plane but too little ordered - I agree it may be expensive but you need to remember what is right - the stingy pays twice

[bomg.77]

Our fellows! We just need more and faster. Beautiful airplanes are drying.
This photo is from the border of Russia and Ukraine, as the Associated Press writes. Su-27 aircraft at the airfield in Primorsko-Akhtarsk (Krasnodar Territory). The photo was taken on March 22.

Artillery installations in the area of ​​Novocherkassk (Rostov region). Photo taken on March 27

Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/10/04/2014/917098.shtml

[Leshka]

more of these

[typhoon7]

Quote: PROXOR

No, of course it’s super to have a fleet of 500 T-50s. But excuse me why? The only enemy has only 150 such aircraft. We need about 100. SU-35C is a 4 ++ generation. And in case of war with this enemy, they will work in tandem with the same T-50s and A-50s. And all this invisibility of the enemy will not be leveled.

I can’t agree with you, the only enemy is several dozen NATO countries plus this enemy, and we must proceed from these realities, and not just the fifth generation of the United States. Regarding the comments above about anachronism, this is a misconception. In America, the 4++ generation (Super Hornet and the latest F-16 upgrades) looks preferable to their fifth generation. Also, if you remember history, the anachronisms MiG-17 and MiG-19 (according to Amerov’s data) took from the skies two and a half times more Phantoms than the MiG-21, more than 350 MiG-17, MiG-19 and 142 MiG-21 (although In my opinion, the victories of the MiG-21 are greatly underestimated because it became the symbol of the war). By the way, Phantom at one time was also the crown of engineering, but this did not help him, although he saw better than ours. We had great air defense. Russia is now not covered except for Moscow and St. Petersburg. The conclusion is this: we need an air defense tip, cover for troops, objects, etc. Therefore, we and the Americans think we will return to the scheme of heavy, expensive and light, cheap, but more mass-produced vehicles (no matter the fifth or tenth generation). You won’t get away with a hundred, it’s not for nothing that they are going to remove the thirty-first from mothballing and modernize them.

[subbtin.725]

proud of my homeland

[fregina1]

We need to get back to work on the topic of the Yak 141 in an updated version! The Mistrals are potential aircraft carriers in this case after strengthening the deck! And I wouldn’t be “very” surprised if after the delivery of the Mistrals an analogue of the Yak 141 floats out ready for testing!

[patsantre]

Airplanes cannot carry Mistrals. But the Yak-141 is not a cake anyway, and now it is hopelessly outdated. And in general, the need for GDP aircraft is a big question. We would like a couple of aircraft carriers and deck ships for them to start with.

[GAndr]

Today I read an interesting post and I’ll copy it here:
((((((quotes of great people)))))))) > ((Charles the 12th)) - Sweden has forever lost its status as a great power. > ((Friedrich)) -In 1759, the Russian army entered Berlin. >((Napoleon)) -In 1814, the Russian army took Paris. > ((Hitler)) -In 1945, he committed suicide when the Soviet army entered Berlin. > said Barack Obama, March 25, 2014 .... waiting for the continuation

[kocclissi]

Quote: sv68

miser pays twice

And the generous one is twice as much! But that’s not the point, to bake them like pies, you have to print money, like 3,14ndosnya....then yes!

[Turk]

Krasava !!!

[plague_veliky]

P.I.N.D.O.S.S smoke nervously on the sidelines....

[colonel manuch]

Not enough joy! Where is the MiG-35, Pogosyan is “muddying the waters” again?

[LIS 25]

whoever does not feed his own army will feed someone else’s. Rearmament is happening gradually. Keep it up.