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Russia's nuclear shield does not depend on imported electronics

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Russia's nuclear shield does not depend on imported electronics

Russia does not purchase an electronic component base for its nuclear missile shield abroad; electronics for this purpose is developed and manufactured only in our country.


This was announced to journalists by the general director of the holding "Roselectronika" (part of the Rostec state corporation) Andrei Zverev.

“Our first task is to create production facilities for an electronic component base, which is necessary to have for critical niches in the country's defense capability,” he said. The head of the holding noted that for Russia such a niche is a nuclear missile shield.

“Here, this task has now been fully resolved: 100 percent of the component base for these purposes is being developed and produced in the territory of the Russian Federation,” said Zverev. He recalled that at present most of the global electronic component base is produced in Southeast Asia, while about 70 percent of all world electronics is made by Taiwan.

“Roselectronica” is included in the block of strategically significant dual-use assets of Rostec State Corporation. Currently, “Roselectronika” as a holding and management company includes 123 enterprises of the radio-electronic industry.
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  1. maks-101
    maks-101 April 10 2014 09: 42
    +25
    this makes me happy.
    1. Very old
      Very old April 10 2014 09: 55
      +9
      Well, fine

      And US is required: titanium, chrome, nickel, and much more
      You can cheaply drive them the notorious "red mercury" - let them sniff
      1. avg
        avg April 10 2014 11: 29
        +7
        The fact that we have a nuclear shield is great, but the fact that we are preparing nuclear disastrousness right at our very side is bad. Ukraine is preparing to sign an agreement on the use of Westinghouse American fuel at its nuclear power plants, which could lead to failure of Ukrainian nuclear power reactors.

        Not so long ago at the Czech Temelin NPP, where Soviet-designed reactors were operating, depressurization of Westinghouse fuel was recorded, after which the Czech side refused the services of this supplier. In the spring of 2012 and in 2013, during the preventive maintenance at the South Ukrainian NPP, violations were detected in the assembly of Westinghouse-type TVS-W assemblies, after which Russian assemblies were returned there. Now a new attempt by mattresses to push their interests. I can imagine what a squeal would be like if the US nuclear power plants began to use non-licensed assemblies.

        Hence the question. Why Kiriyenko is silent, why the IAEA is silent, and they don’t see a problem in neighboring countries. So far, only one “Union of Veterans of Nuclear Energy and Industry of Russia” is sounding the alarm. And God forbid what happens, instantly they will forget about Crimea and about sanctions.
        1. WKS
          WKS April 10 2014 11: 45
          +3
          What about Fukushima 1? Is it really Russian reactors? There is still noise about Chernobyl. Kiriyenko needs to hire western corrupt journalists to publish an endless chain of radioactive horror films about Fukushima. But instead, there are publications in our domestic selling press of soothing materials about Fukushima, and horror films about Chernobyl.
          1. jjj
            jjj April 10 2014 13: 21
            +3
            And rumors that we are buying an element base are launched on purpose. It's just that we had it larger in physical size. But we learned to do and "smaller"
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 April 10 2014 14: 15
              +3
              Quote: jjj
              And rumors about the fact that we are purchasing the element base are launched specially

              We buy something where. Satellites, for example, a destination. At one time they sinned in Chinese trash when they went down. In the 90s they bought everything without military equipment. You need to understand that the military components of the class have never been sold and will not be sold to us. Something easier to buy
              1. dustycat
                dustycat April 10 2014 15: 00
                +1
                Quote: Pilat2009
                that military class components never sold us

                Well, they didn’t sell us directly from the military, we bought them through third countries in the format of an auto.
                Although the concern Semenych, for example, directly sold.
                Of course trochs are more expensive, but almost as reliable.
        2. Grbear
          Grbear April 10 2014 11: 51
          +2
          For avg

          Kirienko S.V. (Wiki)

          In 1986-1991 - Secretary of the Komsomol committee of the plant; First Secretary of the Gorky Regional Committee of the Komsomol.
          In 1991-1997, he worked in the field of entrepreneurship, finance, and business: General Director of the Concern AMK; Chairman of the Board of Guaranty Bank; President of the NORSI-OIL Oil Company.
          In 1997-1998 - First Deputy Minister, Minister of Fuel and Energy of the Russian Federation.

          Government Kiriyenko
          From April to August 1998 - Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation. Kiriyenko was appointed Acting Head of Government after the resignation of the cabinet of Viktor Chernomyrdin. The State Duma twice - April 10 and April 17, 1998 - denied consent to Kiriyenko’s approval as Prime Minister. Only on April 24, 1998, after the third vote on his candidacy, Kiriyenko was approved by the State Duma as Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation 251 votes (after the 3rd refusal, the President has the right to dissolve the Duma).

          Kiriyenko, together with Boris Nemtsov and Anatoly Chubais, became known as "Young reformer",


          Any more questions?
        3. alicante11
          alicante11 April 10 2014 13: 03
          +2
          Ukraine is preparing to sign an agreement on the use of Westinghouse American fuel at its nuclear power plants, which could lead to failure of Ukrainian nuclear power reactors.


          They are silent because the amers themselves do not have enough fuel for nuclear power plants. For nothing, have they pumped out weapons-grade uranium for low-enriched fuel? So they’ll talk and stop.
        4. dustycat
          dustycat April 10 2014 14: 57
          +2
          Quote: avg
          Why Kiriyenko is silent, why the IAEA is silent,

          What’s there to say to Kiriyenko?
          He loudly through the BBC offered the Japanese the latest negative feedback reactors. In response, in Japan, the very same BBC and CienNen unleashed a screech against the restoration of nuclear energy.
          After that, Miller entered the case and Kirienke is no longer shining.
          And about the IAEA - well, and who is the boss of this office ?!
        5. Nick
          Nick April 10 2014 19: 26
          0
          Quote: avg
          Why Kiriyenko is silent, why the IAEA is silent, and they don’t see a problem in neighboring countries. So far, only one “Union of Veterans of Nuclear Energy and Industry of Russia” is sounding the alarm. And God forbid what happens, instantly they will forget about Crimea and about sanctions.

          Probably they think that each generation should have its own "Chernobyl" ... request
      2. dustycat
        dustycat April 10 2014 14: 51
        +2
        Quote: Very old
        A US required: titanium


        ABOUT! Hello again from the Crimea.
        There was the second most powerful titanium production in the USSR.
        Now it’s half-dead, but here’s an example for you - the allied states of America do not carry democracy alone on oil.
    2. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik April 10 2014 09: 55
      +14
      Quote: maks-xnumx
      this makes me happy.

      It would be funny ..... "Monolith" under "Windows XP SP3" or "Alushta" under "seven", with the possibility of updating ...
      1. voldmis
        voldmis April 10 2014 10: 33
        +5
        Russia's nuclear shield does not depend on imported electronics


        Good news! How much labor and time was required for this!
        1. Coffee_time
          Coffee_time April 10 2014 10: 54
          +4
          I agree that at one time our people correctly assessed the situation and made their own algorithms, I am proud of our designers. Well done.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat April 10 2014 15: 04
            +1
            Quote: Coffee_time
            ours at one time correctly assessed the situation and made their own algorithms

            Yes, to enter a recognition program for primitive images into non-soldered 156 bytes - this is not for you to install Windows 8.
      2. sazhka4
        sazhka4 April 10 2014 19: 29
        0
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        It would be funny ..... "Monolith" under "Windows XP SP3" or "Alushta" under "seven"

        http://www.rnt.ru/ru/press_center/publikatsii/pevm-obruch-na-strazhe-gosudarstve
        nnykh-interesov-material-ob-otechestvennykh-razrabotkakh-zashchishch
        Interesting information. Cognitive ..
    3. bvi1965
      bvi1965 April 10 2014 11: 54
      +1
      Yes, the soul has become easier.
    4. Klepa
      Klepa April 10 2014 12: 44
      +2
      Do you want me to please you again? Ours finally gathered to judge Gorbachev !!!!!!!
      1. oldstaryi
        oldstaryi April 10 2014 20: 55
        +1
        Do you want me to please you again? Ours finally gathered to judge Gorbachev !!!!!!!


        But the hunchback immediately declared that the State Duma should be dissolved!
  2. sscha
    sscha April 10 2014 09: 43
    +8
    Presumably! It would not be enough to allow dependence in this area! hi
    1. rozowik
      rozowik April 10 2014 16: 11
      0
      Yes, we didn’t have such a dependency, both aunts have been working as a shareholder since the days of the USSR, and currently the contracts for enterprises are mainly from the defense industry.
  3. Georgic
    Georgic April 10 2014 09: 44
    +4
    Well, if so!)
  4. ken
    ken April 10 2014 09: 46
    +45
    We should not have dependencies on foreign financial and industrial groups !!!
  5. Sergg
    Sergg April 10 2014 09: 46
    +13
    All electronics must be produced in Russia, this is also an important part of Russia's security.

    But if our Linux would be adapted to computer games and put it into commercial sale at the lowest price (now this system is free), then windows would stop fattening, feeding the European economy.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 April 10 2014 10: 24
      +1
      But if our Linux would be adapted to computer games and put it into commercial sale at the lowest price (now this system is free), then windows would stop fattening, feeding the European economy.


      This requires *** injections of money, which only the state is capable of. Private companies cannot do this. And the state does not need this "yet". hi
    2. Altona
      Altona April 10 2014 10: 33
      +4
      Quote: Sergg
      All electronics must be produced in Russia, this is also an important part of Russia's security.

      -------------------------
      Go to the Sdelanunas website, they already write about Russian processors ... For government needs ...
    3. Altona
      Altona April 10 2014 10: 33
      0
      Quote: Sergg
      All electronics must be produced in Russia, this is also an important part of Russia's security.

      -------------------------
      Go to the Sdelanunas website, they already write about Russian processors ... For government needs ...
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov April 10 2014 10: 47
        0
        Why is it done? There you have to look. To read. Be surprised.
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    4. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre April 10 2014 10: 59
      +6
      All electronics must be produced in Russia, this is also an important part of Russia's security.
      But if our Linux would be adapted to computer games and launched it into commercial sale at the lowest price
      In general, I would invest resources in the development of the element base with the architecture of ternary logic, and not the standard binary. With appropriate development, this bodes as a radical increase in productivity with less power consumption compared to modern computing systems. Well, there are many more goodies, such as one-way compatibility of programs and, accordingly, security. Binary programs can easily be translated to ternary, but not back. In this case, the binary program will work as a well-walled subsystem.
      An analogy from geometry: an inhabitant of a two-dimensional world can exist in three-dimensional, but cannot capture it or spy on it, due to the lack of a Z-coordinate. But a three-dimensional inhabitant -> a two-dimensional world is easy. This is especially valuable for military electronics - principled one-way compatibility
      In Soviet times, there were such systems. But they were safely forgotten.
      To revive it is of course very expensive.

      For general development on the topic, you can google "ternary computer" and the Wiki has about it.
      1. Skiff_spb
        Skiff_spb April 10 2014 11: 44
        +2
        And why then not even increase the capacity? Say, before 16?

        But even more interestingly, why are they compatible? Well, at least somehow? Other device addresses, command systems, protocols, and then opa - and compatible? =) Here the programs from one OS to another then transfer the whole epic, sometimes resulting in stupid rewriting, and here we will transfer everything to a fundamentally different machine and it will work, yeah.

        It's like pouring gas into a diesel engine. It seems that according to the principle, it should earn money, but nobody does it like that.
        1. I read the news
          I read the news April 10 2014 11: 55
          0
          The ternary of the one-dimensional is the most information-intensive.
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre April 11 2014 12: 04
          0
          And why then not even increase the capacity? Say, before 16?
          An increase in bit depth is possible, but leads to an avalanche-like complication of equipment without an equally adequate increase in information capacity and productivity.
          Mathematicians have long proved that the system with the base tending to the natural logarithm possesses the greatest information capacity. The closest integer is the ternary one.
          The binary is just a subset of the ternary and its special case with the value of the third digit equal to const. Therefore, all binary programs can be easily ported to the ternary system. But there is no way back.
          Therefore, in areas where the reaction time or system security is critical, binary and ternary systems under unequal conditions.

          For example, a ternary system will intercept and decrypt algorithms in real time from binary in normal mode (after all, a subset and a subset are known), and a binary system intercepting ternary algorithms will suffer and may not cope or require a radical increase in power. After all, she herself is a subset of the third unit of measurement does not have a concept initially. Isn't that important for the military?

          Second example: a computer virus from a binary system can be safely run on a ternary system or ignored. After all, a ternary OS has maximum access to the capabilities of the processor and subsystems - this is laid in the development of the OS. A virus from the binary system a priori cannot have these capabilities due to the limitations of the binary system.

          When using ternary electronics, with equal performance, a lower operating frequency is required. All operations (and in essence it all comes down to addition in adders) take less working cycles. Lower frequency - less power consumption and heat dissipation on the device.

          Well, at the household level, briefly like this ...
      2. dustycat
        dustycat April 10 2014 15: 27
        0
        Quote: abrakadabre
        invested resources in the development of an element base with ternary logic architecture

        Ternary logic differs from binary logic in three stable states "yes", "approximately", "no". Or as the electronics joke, yes, H / Z, no.
        Whereas in binary there are only two states on and off.
        And you can translate into binary, but resource-intensive.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre April 11 2014 12: 10
          0
          Ternary logic differs from binary logic in three stable states "yes", "approximately", "no". Or as the electronics joke, yes, H / Z, no.

          smile
          You can laugh as much as you like, but not quite like that.
          yesX / Z,no
          This is the opinion of the binary system about the state of the ternary system. The ternary system itself definitely knows its own state, and there is no such concept (x / z) for it.

          Just like you, brought up in school on the decimal system, always adequately count "one, two, three, four ..." and not "one, two, x / s what the fuck ?!, four ..."
    5. dustycat
      dustycat April 10 2014 15: 09
      0
      Quote: Sergg
      But if our Linux would be adapted to computer games

      Somehow new software for Electronics85 came from Kiev and there was software called UNICS.
      Universal
      Scientific
      Engineering
      Construction
      System
      When it was launched, they saw the usual, now much wider, invitation

      SH> _


      On the tape with this program there were many interesting and then incredibly advanced toys.
      By the way.
      In the COP, the most difficult thing was to adapt it for Windows95.
      And originally it was written for UNICS.
      So it’s not yet known which OS of toys is more.
  6. SS68SS
    SS68SS April 10 2014 09: 49
    +6
    Defense should not depend on the desire to earn on it merchants and usurers of all stripes. Defense is the holy of holies of the state ....
    1. Jager
      Jager April 10 2014 17: 22
      0
      Tell that to Serdyukov ...
  7. 528Obrp
    528Obrp April 10 2014 09: 51
    +5
    Quote: maks-xnumx
    this makes me happy.


    And this is the same:
    The Ruselectronics holding together with the Ministry of Industry and Trade is developing a supercomputer based on the Russian component base, which in the future will cover the needs of the military-industrial complex in computing power. ITAR-TASS reports.


    http://www.mignews.com/news/technology/world/090414_181619_24321.html
    1. Baikal
      Baikal April 10 2014 10: 17
      0
      This is great, but it is also worth remembering that one of the highest requirements for military electronics is RELIABILITY. Which is far from always equal to power \ performance.
      In other words, for the military it can be a SUPERcomputer. But at the same time, it can lag far behind civilian models.
      I hope - this time I’m wrong.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2014 10: 22
      +4
      Quote: 528Obrp
      The Ruselectronics holding together with the Ministry of Industry and Trade is developing a supercomputer based on the Russian component base, which in the future will cover the needs of the military-industrial complex in computing power. ITAR-TASS reports.

      Quote to the end
      According to him, despite the fact that the production of components and microelectronics for a supercomputer is likely to be located in Southeast Asia
      1. Baikal
        Baikal April 10 2014 10: 48
        +7
        "supercomputer on the Russian component base"but at the same time"production ... will be located in Southeast Asia"...
        Again nae ... deceived, gentlemen! wink
        For some reason, some benefactors do not want to produce electronics on Russian soil.
        Interestingly, the competent authorities take note of the future of these enthusiasts? ..
        1. xtur
          xtur April 10 2014 14: 54
          0
          > "production ... will be located in Southeast Asia" ...

          Vietnam is also in Southeast Asia, but there may be a Russian-owned plant, and all rights and all secrets will be reliably secured
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 April 10 2014 19: 26
            0
            Quote: xtur
            Vietnam is also in Southeast Asia, but there may be a Russian-owned plant,

            It's still about what our chips will do in their factories.
            Quote: xtur
            but there may be a Russian-owned plant, and all rights and all secrets will be reliably secured

            Why build in Vietnam? Just for the sake of cheap labor? The military-industrial complex would have survived it somehow. All the plants in Asia are built and belong to Am. Nobody will transfer them to our property.
            1. xtur
              xtur April 11 2014 10: 56
              0
              > It's all the same about what our microcircuits will do in their factories.

              The factory belongs to the owner. And in Vietnam, whose security is ensured by Russia, the position of the owner will be unshakable. In addition, Vietnam, as a small country, will need a vehicle market. In a word, guarantees will be more than enough.

              Today, labor in Vietnam is even cheaper than in China.

              > All factories in Asia are built and owned by the US No one will transfer them into our ownership

              So you need to build your own factories, but in Vietnam - if the cost of production matters. And if the cost of production does not change much from where it is produced, then let them build in Russia
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 April 10 2014 13: 11
        0
        According to him, despite the fact that the production of components and microelectronics for a supercomputer is likely to be located in Southeast Asia


        I am not good at supercomputers, but if I say so, it means that these are non-critical areas where malware and spyware cannot be bookmarked.
      3. Army1
        Army1 April 10 2014 13: 35
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: 528Obrp
        The Ruselectronics holding together with the Ministry of Industry and Trade is developing a supercomputer based on the Russian component base, which in the future will cover the needs of the military-industrial complex in computing power. ITAR-TASS reports.

        Quote to the end
        According to him, despite the fact that the production of components and microelectronics for a supercomputer is likely to be located in Southeast Asia

        I was honestly surprised too, everything is on the Russian component base according to Mr. N, but it turns out they are being purchased in Asia, as if the journalist decided to add
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2014 14: 24
          +1
          Quote: Army1
          I was honestly surprised too, everything is on the Russian component base according to Mr. N, but it turns out they are being purchased in Asia, as if the journalist decided to add

          The original, which was somewhere on military materials, was written differently. not "most likely", but simply "will"
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  8. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot April 10 2014 09: 53
    +3
    Congratulations! good
  9. slovak007
    slovak007 April 10 2014 09: 54
    +14
    Unfortunately, this is not the case in all areas of our military-industrial complex, but we would like the opposite. Better if instead of stupid vbuhivaniya in O'skolkovo, Zelenograd was restored.
    1. Very old
      Very old April 10 2014 09: 59
      +8
      I wrote a diploma there
      Zelenograd - CLASS!
      I wish him a speedy recovery
    2. Bort radist
      Bort radist April 10 2014 10: 08
      +5
      Quote: slovak007
      Unfortunately, this is not the case in all areas of our military-industrial complex,

      Today it was reported that navigation satellites are ready to release the same completely from our components. The process is gaining speed faster than some would like.
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  10. Baikal
    Baikal April 10 2014 09: 55
    +6
    Our first task is to create an electronic component base at our facilities


    I don’t know about you, but this song has already become boring to me.
    How much can you create it? This topic, only in my memory, has been raised for several decades.
    Is it really impossible take and create this element base? ..
    Even to me, as a person far from electronics, after reading even a couple of hours the relevant articles in the direction, it becomes clear:
    1. Number of "electronic parts" in the end of course. That is, you can make a list.
    2. In technology since the collapse of the Soviet Union, sky-high jumps have not occurred, improved existing ones.
    3. The country is huge, smart hands, resources - at least well ... chew.

    What else does?..
    1. IGS
      IGS April 10 2014 10: 58
      +1
      The elemental base is created on equipment and technologies. If the second one can more or less quickly cope, then the first ... sad Almost all imported ... including software.
      1. Baikal
        Baikal April 10 2014 11: 09
        +1
        the second one can be more or less quickly dealt with, then the first ... Almost everything is imported ... including software


        If a person is in the subject and can manage the appropriate team (institution) - it is completely solvable. The task is not to fly to the moon from scratch, but to make the same eggs, but in profile.
        One person makes a story.
        And if a person "on the spot" is a set of qualities, then these qualities can be determined. Professionalism, honesty, patriotism.
        AntiChubais is such wink
        Find a person. Only.
      2. dustycat
        dustycat April 10 2014 15: 42
        0
        Quote: IGS
        The elemental base is created on equipment and technologies. If the second one can more or less quickly cope, then the first.

        The Karsny Proletarian plant began with ten imported machine tools.
        The first two years he produced half of the machines only for his workshops.
        Then he began to make machines for all other enterprises.
        There is technology - iron can be turned at least with cobblestone.
    2. Skiff_spb
      Skiff_spb April 10 2014 11: 05
      +2
      Sky-high jumps did not happen? ))) Each transition to a new technical process is almost a revolution, after which the floor of the chip factory is demolished and a new one is installed.

      And also ultra-pure materials for production. And this is chemistry and production.
      1. Baikal
        Baikal April 10 2014 11: 16
        +1
        +
        AvtoVAZ. Hefty enterprise complex. Capacities, money, the wing of government, the broadest possibilities for scientific work ... But things are still there. Like a cart and looks, by the way.
        A competent shot could turn a lot. He's not around. And there are opportunities.
        In addition, it will be necessary to create from the very beginning, and this has its advantages.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 April 10 2014 13: 28
          0
          AvtoVAZ is constantly a victim of the flow of capital. In Soviet times, the victim of the flow of capital to other industries, now also a victim of the flow of capital, but only in other pockets. People want to receive, but do not want to do anything for it.
      2. dustycat
        dustycat April 10 2014 15: 48
        0
        Quote: Skiff_spb
        And also ultra-pure materials for production.


        50% of the global ultrapure market is still closed by Russia.
        In Abakan, instead of aluminum production, Deripaska built plants of Borsilitsia999.
        The main market was planned for the first time in China and Southeast of Ukraine.
        Now the green urapatrioty almost closed this project.

        By the way. The production of titanium and products from it was in the Crimea.
        But the Boeing chose Solikamsk - there they made titanium cleaner than non-winter.
    3. alicante11
      alicante11 April 10 2014 13: 24
      +1
      What else does?..


      The problem is that we are chronically lagging behind. Having created another "electronic component base", we are faced with the fact that the enemy at this time has already created a more perfect one. It's just that we spent too long improving analog systems, which turned out to be a dead end, while the Americans tried to go digital and turned out to be the winner. Here, as with the radars of the Germans and the British. At the beginning of the war, German radars surpassed British ones in detection range and sensitivity. Because they worked on long waves. Whereas the angles used short ones (if memory serves, the difference is just that :)). But over time, it turned out that short-wave radars make it possible not only to detect the enemy, but also to determine its size and even the type of target. As a result, the Germans found themselves in a dead end, using their radio rangefinders and losing out to the Angles, which improved their shortwave radars.
      Apparently, the jump will not work here. Because I still remember the difference between Soviet computers such as "Apogee", "Binom" and created on the basis of the 286 processor "Iskra" of classical architecture - heaven and earth. Also, if you take Soviet tape recorders of the same generation with Japanese ones, the difference is significant, miniature electronic games, egg traps, if you remember, where the wolf gallops, catches rolling eggs, they appeared later than foreign ones.
      However, apparently, there is no critical lag here. Since our modern weapons are not inferior to foreign ones in performance characteristics, well, perhaps in number. But this is already "stretching out the legs on clothes", the Russian Federation is not the USSR.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat April 10 2014 15: 53
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        Quote: alicante11
        The problem is that we are chronically behind.

        Starting from the reign of Khrushchev.
        Before him, computers and electronics were slightly behind, and in some ways they were ahead.
        That's just forgot to patent.
        Now all these are import patents and even MiG29 now we can’t sell over the hill without paying the appropriate patents.
        Although the glider is very modernizable.
        At one time, it even started to do AFAR as a component of the wing skin.
        Due to patent complications, the project was killed.
      2. smith7
        smith7 April 10 2014 19: 54
        0
        Probably have to buy small things. Enough of everything! And for the future we will be saved by Skolkovo (something similar). We do not need to catch up with "digital technologies". We need to do something completely new ... We do ... Until tomorrow. The road will be mastered by the walker.
    4. dustycat
      dustycat April 10 2014 15: 39
      0
      Quote: Baikal
      Is it really impossible to take and create this element base? ..

      You can create it.
      It will not be possible to sell all this abroad.
      Almost everything is patented in the West, although if you rummage through the initial ones, you will find that everything was first invented in the USSR.
      Just with the collapse of the USSR, the hunchback leaked the patent system of the USSR at all.
      As a result, even that which had no analogues outside the USSR fell under the patents of the West.

      And since it is impossible to get efimki for this, our "effective managers" are not interested in these startups.
      It's another matter if we force the West to buy oil and gas for rubles - and then the ruble will be accepted with joy in any port tavern - then it is possible that our "effective managers" will be interested in these projects.
    5. 787nkx
      787nkx April 10 2014 16: 18
      0
      It is possible to expand new large-scale production only under a specific demand stable for the long term. Under the future likely demand, our own research and development is necessary. Unfortunately, nothing has been done in this area since the late 80's, as a result, we have a strong base Conders, diodes, resistors, although with an asterisk, are no longer needed, ready-made programmable assemblies are needed, with a wide range of applications and a high degree of integration, well, price-quality.
    6. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 11 2014 20: 27
      0
      Quote: Baikal
      What else does?..

      The problem is that the factories are privately owned (privatized) and the owner is reluctant to deal with the small nomenclature. + They will not sell the most modern equipment.
      Quote: Skiff_spb
      the floor of the chip factory is demolished and a new one is installed

      The equipment is only updated and the process is being worked out
  11. zulus222
    zulus222 April 10 2014 09: 58
    0
    Russia's nuclear shield is independent of imported electronics. Thank God that at least they didn’t launder the money!
  12. reg 71
    reg 71 April 10 2014 10: 00
    +4
    It is necessary not only in the defense industry, but so that in all areas our country depends on no one
  13. military
    military April 10 2014 10: 10
    +11
    well ... everything is clear with Zverev ... the honor of the "uniform" ... wink he could not say anything else ...
    and here in the 1st quarter I ran into a domestic kit "face to face" ... we went to meet the customer's ardent wishes ... put the domestic component base in the circuit solutions of the armament and military hardware product ... fortunately, in the latest edition of the MOS lists theoretically there was ... moreover, without any restrictive signs ... applications to manufacturers for the supply of ERIs of quality category "5" were sent by rank ... even received answers ... someone wrote that such ERIs were not mastered in serial production ( ?) ... someone said that deliveries would be possible no earlier than in a year and a half ...
    I don’t argue, something, of course, is being done in this direction ... But victorious reports are very far from reality ... like the Decembrists from the people ...
  14. -Patriot-
    -Patriot- April 10 2014 10: 14
    +5
    In general, the entire defense industry should be 100% domestic assembly.
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 10 2014 10: 30
      +1
      Quote: -Patriot-
      In general, the entire defense industry should be 100% domestic assembly.

      And ideally, at least 50% of the world
  15. Vadim12
    Vadim12 April 10 2014 10: 18
    +3
    Stsuka because of the humpback again in the role of catching up. We cannot consider ourselves a superpower until we make our own computer. Again DIP - catch up and overtake America ...
    1. slovak007
      slovak007 April 10 2014 10: 27
      +4
      Quote: Vadim12
      until we make our own computer

      And when, after all, Z80 and 8086 analogues were produced, made, and some of the copies were even better, but there were completely original things that were superior to the imported ones.
      1. tolancop
        tolancop April 10 2014 15: 29
        0
        During it (in the very beginning of the 90s) he talked with the supplier of one of the radio plants. told such a story ...
        "We have designed a monitor in our design bureau. The parameters are good, but the monitor is based on an American VLSI. It will not work to run a series with an American IC. But there is a Russian analogue. I got this analogue for them. They put it in, but the monitor does not work, at least do something ...
        I went to the factory, where I got this marvelous, marvelous. With a claim. And there they roll out a FULL specification for an IC, and in it there are funny words: it is an analogue of an IC such and such, with the exception of the following functions .... and a long list of what this "analog" does not do .... "

        Recorded as I remembered ...
        T.ch. and at that time everything was not so wonderful.

        And in my personal practice in the repair of equipment I had to deal with "funny" cases. For example, an IC of the same type in a ceramic case works, but in plastic it does not work.
  16. kvnvolga2008
    kvnvolga2008 April 10 2014 10: 22
    +4
    The whole industry needs to be raised. We scratch turnips when a fried rooster pecks at a point!
  17. Albus
    Albus April 10 2014 10: 23
    +3
    Keep it up! It is also necessary to do civilian electronics.
  18. Vtel
    Vtel April 10 2014 10: 25
    +1
    Another nano-Chub in the ass to give and things will go even faster and faster.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat April 10 2014 15: 58
      0
      Quote: Vtel
      Another nano-Chub in the ass to give and things will go even faster and faster.

      Well, yes, again the redhead is to blame ?!
      And Skolkovo’s chief effective manager, who buys Faberge eggs over a hill, certainly has nothing to do with it ?!
      Only here at what place in Forbes is red and at what place is Usmanov?
  19. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 10 2014 10: 26
    +1
    The second article in the morning, from which the balm spreads on the soul.
    From such statements, pride in their homeland is only increasing.
  20. GAndr
    GAndr April 10 2014 10: 27
    +1
    I am completely uninitiated in electronic matters.
    People, people, explain to me - why do we have constant problems with the production of electronics? Moreover, it was even with the mighty USSR. What is the subtlety unknown to me? We have engineers that are dumber, but I will never believe in this ... What is the reason for our constant, I would say chronic lag in the field of electronics? A beggar China at one time and he mastered the release of processors. Damn there are specialists here enlighten plizz winked
    1. Genry
      Genry April 10 2014 10: 51
      +2
      Cybernetics is a FALSE science.

      http://fotoru.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/fil1.jpg
      1. I read the news
        I read the news April 10 2014 12: 02
        +1
        That was another science with a consonant name. An analogue of present dianetics.
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2014 14: 33
        +1
        Quote: Genry
        Cybernetics is a FALSE science.

        And now another one has appeared, at the junction of cybernetics and mathematics. Kibenematics is called, in!
        1. dustycat
          dustycat April 10 2014 16: 00
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          And now another one has appeared, at the junction of cybernetics and mathematics

          That she is patented only now.
          In general, it has long been known in Russia. lol
          Any electronic engineer with Soviet experience will tell you this.
    2. 51064
      51064 April 10 2014 11: 45
      +4
      Under the USSR, it was financed on a leftover basis, no importance was attached to this. In the civilian sphere, the last competitive products were made at the plant in the Baltic states - "Radiotekhnika". The lag began to increase when the first Intel processors appeared, and then it went on increasing. For civilian needs for electronics, they "hammered" as well as for all civilians.
      Well, we need a video recorder for the people, - and let's "slick" from Siemens or Phillips, it's no better for Panasonic to get "Electronics" VM-12, etc.
      Spending a billion dollars on developing the technology of CD compact discs is in a nightmare, don’t worry the bourgeoisie in Sony, we cannot insert these discs into a rocket or into an airplane, etc.
      What is needed for the military, as always, was done quickly, but in order to accelerate, they often took a foreign sample of an electronic device (microcircuit) and simply copied it down to microprocessors. The sphere of personnel is civilian, therefore it did not develop particularly, more precisely, it advanced with a lag of 10 years. Their civilian electronics developed in the conditions of fierce competition and pulled the military along with them, but on the contrary. As a rule, they will arrange the production of something there for defense or the national economy, well, they do the same for the population according to the residual principle.
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  21. GRAY
    GRAY April 10 2014 10: 30
    +5
    In the civilian sphere, the use of foreign circuitry, in general, is not prohibited, but its use in the national system of death safety is similar. And what if a fierce enemy would put so-called bookmarks into his miracle processors?
    Typically, a tab is called a certain malicious scheme, which under certain conditions disrupts the normal functioning of the computer. Until now, the very existence of such schemes is constantly being questioned. Nevertheless, in 2007, one of the inventors of the RSA encryption algorithm and the well-known cryptographer Adi Shamir proposed an attack method that allows you to instantly crack all systems built on these algorithms. The attack is based on the assumption that a tab has been added to the processor that produces an incorrect result when multiplying two specific numbers. Detection of this defect is extremely problematic with both software and physical research. Programmatically, I would have to sort through all the multiplication options, which is almost impossible. And due to the complex structure of modern microcircuits, physical research is also difficult. A multiplier defect can be introduced, for example, in processors where cryptographic calculations are performed. To carry out an attack, knowledge of a pair of numbers that are the secret key of a multiplier defect and just one selected message is sufficient. You can insert a bookmark counter, which, some time after the start of computer operation, may produce an error leading to a global system failure.
    Bookmark activation by radio is also possible. For this, it is necessary that the malicious circuit has any output to the receiver antenna, if, of course, there is one in the device for which the processor is intended. This activation method is quite problematic, because it is very difficult to explain to the customer the purpose of the extra output of the microcircuit.
    Guaranteed to prevent the introduction of electronic pests can only be one way - to control the entire process of creating microprocessors - from design to manufacturing.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat April 10 2014 16: 05
      +1
      Quote: GRAY
      And what if a fierce enemy would put so-called bookmarks into his miracle processors?

      I did not hear about bookmarks in processors in the USSR.
      But strange power supplies for Kreita came across.
      It seems to be imported, sort of the same.
      And periodically shoots with increased voltage and a dash of two you will understand what kind of glitch - everything is filled with epoxy - a sort of cinder block.
      They assembled their own from Soviet parts - twice as large as the truth came out - from behind a transformer - but worked like a clock.
  22. From
    From April 10 2014 10: 31
    +1
    Belarus also produces its own electronics.
  23. fight
    fight April 10 2014 10: 32
    +1
    it's funny. Where are the new enterprises for the manufacture of domestic element base? MONEY FOR FTP has been allocated but there are no elements. Only the old elemental base. even for those elements that have already been mastered, production terms have been increased to 1 year or more. a huge amount of foreign elementary life, they just certify it and that’s it. Well, why should she appear new that we have restored industry in such a short time? Yes, it will take tens of years, and then when it is built technology will become obsolete. I know that even foreign equipment flies into space. And who will put a minus for the comment will simply show that he does not understand the problem.
    1. military
      military April 10 2014 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: luta
      a huge amount of foreign elementary life, they just certify it and that’s it.

      oh, how is it not easy today, believe me! ...
      at the first stage, by the joint efforts of Golovnik, subcontractors and VP MO, a consolidated "Nomenclature" of ERI IP is drawn up for the entire VT product ... plus a feasibility study for each element ...
      at the second stage, a draft "Decision" is born on the procedure for using the ERI IP ... is coordinated with the branch of the 46th Central Research Institute (formerly 22nd), with the 46th itself, with "specialists" (where there are requirements for ensuring information security ), with DOGOZ, with the VTK Armed Forces, with the Department of Armaments, with the Ministry of Industry and Trade (from the end of 2013) ... approved by the PZMO RF ...
      at the third stage, the "Decision ..." is born on the procedure for conducting certification tests of ERI IP ... is agreed with the branch of the Central Research Institute of Research ... approved in DOGOZ ...
      on the fourth - they are developed, agreed upon in the 46th Central Research Institute and approved by the SI-holder of the state contract "Programs and Methods" for certification tests of ERI IP ... for mechano-climatics ... for special factors (if any) ...
      are purchased by ERI IP ... from "second suppliers" certified in the "Voenelectronsert" system ... the latest "trends" - in advance, the "second" requests a copy of the certificate for the QMS, a copy of the accreditation certificate in the "Voenelectronsert", a copy of the instructions from the UVP about securing the VP MO, samples of shipping documents for the ERI IP, intended for purchase, samples of impressions of the seals and stamps of the "second" and the VP MO with him ... this whole bunch of docks is further attached to the report (acts, protocols) of certification tests sent to branch 46 Central Research Institute ...
      By the way, there is an increase in the military prosecutor’s office ... they put cancer in almost half a turn ...
      so it’s not easy ... very difficult ...
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 10 2014 12: 15
        0
        Quote: military
        oh, how is it not easy today, believe me! ..

        How not just to understand ... I'll try to figure it out ...
        VP MO - military reception of the Ministry of Defense?
        ERI IP - is a foreign-made electro-radio product?
        DOGOZ - Department of state support defense. order?
        VTK Armed Forces - military-technical committee (commission?) Of the armed forces (supreme council?)
        PZMO RF - First Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation? (he broke his head, but could not think of anything else ...)
        QMS - aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t understand !, K for any quality, but what is SM? Compliance with International?
        UVP - military acceptance department?
        You are welcome!!!!!!!!!
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      3. 51064
        51064 April 10 2014 12: 27
        +1
        And then again, when it’s time to buy a shipment of ERI IP, a foreign supplier says - and now this is a dual-use product, we won’t sell it.
  24. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2014 10: 32
    +8
    In fact, everything with a microelement base is not just bad, but VERY bad. The same MCST themselves do not produce anything, but order production in Asia. However, with the development, everything is also not good - they are trying to improve old import solutions. The production capacities for the production of microprocessors of the 130 nm and 90 nm architecture have not yet been launched, although this is the day before yesterday and the equipment for their production was purchased.
    Actually words
    Russia does not purchase electronic component base for its nuclear missile shield abroad

    It doesn’t mean that we have a good component base, but that the missiles fly on lamps (I exaggerate, of course, but ...)
    1. I read the news
      I read the news April 10 2014 12: 06
      +2
      In rockets, I believe more in lamps than in semiconductors.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2014 14: 22
        +2
        I am quite ready to admit that lamps are a plus for our missiles. Not Copenhagen. But like "the simpler the more reliable" nobody canceled. However, this is definitely not a plus for the micronutrient base.
  25. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 April 10 2014 10: 37
    +3
    “Our first task is to create in our production facilities an electronic component base, which is necessary for critical niches in the field of the country's defense”

    The main task is the restoration of the military-industrial complex, etc. of production in the country, as well as agriculture and the countryside, the creation of jobs, this should be emphasized first of all !! and that is at a premium to middle managers and accountants with economists ..
  26. Oleg2363
    Oleg2363 April 10 2014 10: 44
    -3
    although it pleases. and the rest is a complete collapse. enrich the rich. they opened a workshop for the production of "nepoimichiy" - hurray 20 jobs appeared. And in the provinces, salaries can not be paid. They work for a piece of bread.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 10 2014 10: 49
      0
      Quote: oleg2363
      although it pleases. but otherwise a complete collapse.

      Do you write from the bunker? So go up into the light of God, look around. Or you farted at Sait, so here sorry is not a toilet.
      Quote: oleg2363
      .And in the provinces you can’t pay salaries. They work for a piece of bread.

      Troll!
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen April 10 2014 13: 23
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And in the provinces, you don’t have to pay salaries. They work for a piece of bread.


        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Troll!


        And why are you minus the guy? For truth? Why troll?

        It depends on what province. If the city is a millionaire, then the salary is more or less, and if the periphery is 15-25 tr. and it is a skilled worker. Owners of enterprises do not particularly share dough ... Much depends on the industry / sphere of activity ... Well, I do not have specific statistics, but the average level of peripheral earnings leaves much to be desired. I ride a lot around the country, so I know how much.
  27. GRAY
    GRAY April 10 2014 10: 45
    +5
    Serial production of the first domestic monoblock computers Kraftway based on Elbrus processors started. Monoblocks are manufactured by the Russian company MTsST. The novelty, according to the manufacturer, was very interested in representatives of the defense sector.

    The domestic novelty is a Kraftway Studio computer with a 20-inch touchscreen display, in which the Monocub motherboard with the Elbrus-2C + dual-core processor is integrated. Modules for PC were ordered from Altronika.

    The novelty is equipped with a 20-inch touch screen with a resolution of 1600 x 900 pixels, a cooling system and a SATA hard drive. A DVD-RW drive, four USB 2.0 ports and a Wi-Fi adapter are also available. Monoblock weighs about 11 kg.

    A computer is running the Elbrus operating system, based on the Linux 2.6.33 kernel. A set of user programs includes the xfce4 window manager, the ABIWord text editor, the GNumeric spreadsheet, the Firefox browser, and other useful programs.

    According to ICST Director General Alexander Kim, the volume of the first serial batch of domestic monoblocks will be about 50 pieces. Later, the company expects to release about 1 PCs.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2014 11: 34
      +4
      Quote: GRAY
      Serial production of the first domestic monoblock computers Kraftway based on Elbrus processors started.

      Everything would be fine, only the MTsST DOES NOT PRODUCE Elbrus processors. They order them in Asia.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY April 10 2014 12: 00
        +2
        That's right, production is cheaper there (originally planned in Zelenograd).
        But the development is still domestic.

        Work on the architecture of "Elbrus" began in 1986 in the team of the Institute of Precision Mechanics and Computer Engineering (ITM and VT) named after S.A. Lebedev, in which the Soviet high-performance complexes Elbrus-1 and Elbrus-2 were created before that. The development of the Elbrus-3 computer complex, which was led by B.A. Babayana, was completed in 1991. The idea of ​​explicitly controlling the parallelism of operations using a compiler was first implemented in this computer complex.

        The economic changes that began in 1992 in Russia did not allow the developers of Elbrus-3 to complete the commissioning of the complex. In the same 1992, the team of developers of machines of the "Elbrus" family stood out in the company "MCST" and began to work on microprocessor implementation of the architecture of "Elbrus".

        The Elbrus architecture is an original Russian development. The key features of the Elbrus architecture are energy efficiency and high productivity, achieved by setting explicit parallelism of operations.
  28. kelevra
    kelevra April 10 2014 10: 49
    +2
    That's right, independence in production elements is one of the keys to leadership!
  29. raven75
    raven75 April 10 2014 10: 50
    +1
    As far as I know, everything related to nuclear weapons has always been only Soviet / Russian. Nuclear weapons are not an area where at least minimal dependence on anyone can be allowed.
  30. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 10 2014 10: 51
    +3
    This is a message without a signature from the area of ​​the next okmurezh Type in 2013 entered service with 36 warships. Really 1 corvette and 2 boats. New patriots - see the site "VO".
  31. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y April 10 2014 10: 53
    +3
    I read that around 1974. a resolution was adopted to curtail their own developments in microelectronics, such as "everything can be copied from ready-made foreign samples." Yes, it is possible ... but only to a certain degree of chip integration. When the sizes of single elements of microcircuits were significantly reduced, the copying technology turned out to be inapplicable ... So we have what we have.

    "Your country's missile defense program carried out an unacceptable operation and will be closed" - just a "bad dream" ...
    1. dustycat
      dustycat April 10 2014 16: 18
      0
      Quote: Dragon-y
      I read that around 1974. It was decided to curtail their own development

      Actually, it all started in the early 1960s when all the hardware was at the mercy of the descendant of Mikoyan.
      Only if the papic took power over, then the descendant was more interested in cutting the budget and trips over the hill, and therefore offered to save a lot on the introduction of EU computers that were seamless with IBM — like they have a sea for the EU, we will reduce it there.
      Introduced.
      As a result, by 1970 the emergence and increase of the backlog in the field of computers and the complete collapse of microelectronics.
      If not for the BSSR, then the 580, 589, 1801, 1802, 1810 and 1816 series would not have existed.
  32. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time April 10 2014 10: 59
    +1
    Quote: oleg2363
    although it pleases. and the rest is a complete collapse. enrich the rich. they opened a workshop for the production of "nepoimichiy" - hurray 20 jobs appeared. And in the provinces, salaries can not be paid. They work for a piece of bread.

    That's what you really are
    1. bubalik
      bubalik April 10 2014 11: 03
      +7
      Coffee_time SU  Today, 10: 59


      ,,, maybe this ... lol
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  33. imugn
    imugn April 10 2014 11: 03
    +2
    70% of electronics are in Taiwan, but this is a routine. But something more serious - everything is in the USA, and Russia is slightly behind, both in technology and in the availability of acquisition.
    1. GAndr
      GAndr April 10 2014 13: 44
      +1
      What does a little mean? I would like to understand this "a little" is how much?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 April 10 2014 19: 34
        0
        Quote: GAndr
        this is the "little" is how much?

        15 years
        Here you need to understand that the devices will work on our developments, only they will be larger in size, they will heat up more and consume energy
        What percentage is there in the Galaxy-s5? 4 cores, 2.5 GHz, Qualcomm
  34. 51064
    51064 April 10 2014 11: 22
    +3
    Quote: GRAY
    In the civilian sphere, the use of foreign circuitry, in general, is not prohibited, but its use in the national system of death safety is similar. And what if a fierce enemy would put so-called bookmarks into his miracle processors?

    Even without bookmarks - many modern microprocessors have design errors that are detected already at the stage when they are actively used.
  35. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 10 2014 11: 30
    +2
    If they bought in the West, it would have turned out like in Iraq, bam and nothing works. soldier
  36. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 10 2014 11: 31
    +1
    Well, finally! Still in other important sectors to achieve such a result, in general one would not have to worry about the state of security of the country.
  37. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 April 10 2014 11: 52
    0
    Well, it would be "into any gate" if we were still dependent on someone else with electronics! request
  38. Baikal
    Baikal April 10 2014 12: 10
    +4
    Something like that.
    When their Terminator was poked with a screwdriver, trying to make them smile, our seeds were already buzzing yes
  39. military
    military April 10 2014 12: 41
    0
    Quote: Nayhas
    Quote: military
    oh, how is it not easy today, believe me! ..

    How not just to understand ... I'll try to figure it out ...
    VP MO - military reception of the Ministry of Defense? correction of the term: "military representation ..."
    ERI IP - is a foreign-made electro-radio product? it, darling
    DOGOZ - Department of state support defense. order? Yes sir
    VTK Armed Forces - military-technical committee (commission?) Of the armed forces (supreme council?) Military Technical Committee of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
    PZMO RF - First Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation? (he broke his head, but could not think of anything else ...) and nothing else is needed
    QMS - aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t understand !, K for any quality, but what is SM? Compliance with International? The "quality management system" ... must be certified for compliance with GOST RV 15.002 (from Q2 2014 for compliance with GOST RV 0015-002-2012), and for the "second" also for compliance with RD V 319.010-97
    UVP - military acceptance department? correction of the term: "... military missions"
    You are welcome!!!!!!!!!

    yes to health! ... wink
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas April 10 2014 13: 15
      0
      Quote: military
      yes to health!

      Thank! I'll know!
  40. sxn278619
    sxn278619 April 10 2014 13: 02
    +3
    Those wishing to understand why we do not have and will not have our own Intel, I suggest reading articles
    Microelectronics for space and military http://habrahabr.ru/post/156049/
    Microelectronic industry in Russia (2012) http://habrahabr.ru/post/156843/
    Why in Russia there is no commercial high-tech production http://worldcrisis.ru/crisis/1454521

    Alexei Dianov, director of corporate communications at Mikron, notes that now all world companies that develop the element base for strategic systems do not transfer production abroad, as this can lead to theft of technology. Mr. Dianov disagrees that chips larger than 45 nanometers are not up-to-date: "The minimum topological size is only needed for memory chips and processors. Besides them, there are tens of thousands of products where miniaturization is not needed, or even simply impossible for economic or technological reasons." Mikron has mastered the production of chips using 90 nanometer technology, and in April is going to start production of the first 65-nanometer microcircuits. In general, according to Aleksey Dianov, there is not enough state support from a domestic manufacturer for the development of electronics. Often, requirements are introduced to various tenders, which are carried out by government agencies, which cut off competitive products of Russian manufacturers and give preferences to foreign chips.
    http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2448947
    1. military
      military April 10 2014 13: 23
      +2
      Quote: sxn278619
      Often, various tenders, which are held by government agencies, include requirements that cut off competitive products from Russian manufacturers and give preferences to foreign chips.

      - Do you have such a white "horseradish"?
      - There is!...
      - And black? ...
      - There is!!...
      - And red? ...
      - There is also !!! ...
      - What? ... and blue? ...
      - Of course have!!!!...
      - Ah-ah ... (doomed) But we saw exactly the same "crap" among the bourgeoisie ... but, only gray-brown-crimson ... (breathlessly) Is there? ...
      - There is no such!...
      - Fu, you! ... (light exhale) Well, again, you can’t offer anything worthwhile! ...
      laughing
  41. Vtel
    Vtel April 10 2014 13: 20
    +1
    Yes, they launched a little microelectronics, now do not catch up with nadot, but immediately into the ladies. That's just Chub and Vek pushing together in a mortar pancake, to see they have such a task posed - non-Russians in one word.
  42. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 10 2014 13: 29
    0
    Russia's nuclear shield does not depend on imported electronics

    But Mr. (or comrade) Rogozin, being with us in Novosibirsk last week at a meeting with students at NSTU said the following:
    When NATO countries today ban the supply of radio-resistant electronic components, they call into question all our space programs, including issues related to defense security

    Or is it only about peaceful space? Or are such elements not installed in ICBMs?
    PS: the most interesting thing during the conversation he said, I quote:
    We ruined the machine tool industry, we do not have it

    It was said at a meeting with students and the phrase WE DID make us wonder. Who are we? Among those present, 20-year-old boys and girls who are clearly not involved in this because at best they still sucked a tit, it turns out that Mr. / Comrade Rogozin was involved in this crime, so what kind of person is he still free?
    1. military
      military April 10 2014 13: 52
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      PS: the most interesting thing during the conversation he said, I quote:
      We ruined the machine tool industry, we do not have it

      It was said at a meeting with students and the phrase WE DID make us wonder. Who are we?...

      do not pay attention ... this is from the series "Ostap suffered" ... the owner will quickly turn his beak to his side for such passages ... laughing
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 10 2014 19: 55
        +1
        Quote: military
        do not pay attention ... this is from the series "Ostap suffered" ...

        Duc carries it often and you will not understand when to seriously understand it ...
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 10 2014 14: 25
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      Who are we

      Well, let’s not complain about words anyway. The state with the then leaders was meant. Since the rats come and go and the state remains, you can say so. And then Comrade Rogozin did not hold high posts
    3. dustycat
      dustycat April 10 2014 16: 27
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      But Mr. (or comrade) Rogozin, being with us in Novosibirsk last week at a meeting with students at NSTU said the following:
      When NATO countries today ban the supply of radio-resistant electronic components, they call into question all our space programs, including issues related to defense security


      So it is the bourgeois who cast doubt on Russia's capabilities in these areas.
      In fact, a more radio-resistant ECB for space than a lamp does not exist.

      Moreover, once in Novosibirsk, an engineer suggested producing microelectronic lamps using microelectronic vacuum deposition technology. And even some of this was produced in experimental batches.
  43. fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 10 2014 14: 25
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    Russia's nuclear shield does not depend on imported electronics

    Wow. And the space shield? It all depends now, how unfortunate it is.
  44. Roman1970
    Roman1970 April 10 2014 15: 05
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    And it is right. The nuclear deterrence forces would simply lose their meaning if equipped with foreign electronics.
  45. konvalval
    konvalval April 10 2014 15: 24
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    If possible, switch to their components as much as possible. Fraternal Ukraine, led by the fascist gang government, suggested.
  46. razved
    razved April 10 2014 15: 56
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    It is necessary to develop its own, its industry, including the elemental base.
  47. SmileSimple
    SmileSimple April 10 2014 17: 18
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    Quote: GAndr
    I am completely uninitiated in electronic matters.
    People, people, explain to me - why do we have constant problems with the production of electronics? Moreover, it was even with the mighty USSR. What is the subtlety unknown to me? We have engineers that are dumber, but I will never believe in this ... What is the reason for our constant, I would say chronic lag in the field of electronics? A beggar China at one time and he mastered the release of processors. Damn there are specialists here enlighten plizz winked


    for the development of the electronics industry, SIMULTANEOUS successes and achievements in:
    1. material science = was and is
    2. math = was and is
    3. scientific and engineering personnel = was and ... a little bit left
    4. "tools" for creating machines (technologies) = it was not enough, but NOW NOT
    5. effective technology = it was only until the middle of the 1960's, and BECAUSE NOW

    even optimistically in the next 10 years in Russia all the components for a competitive electronic industry will not appear.
  48. SmileSimple
    SmileSimple April 10 2014 17: 18
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    Quote: GAndr
    I am completely uninitiated in electronic matters.
    People, people, explain to me - why do we have constant problems with the production of electronics? Moreover, it was even with the mighty USSR. What is the subtlety unknown to me? We have engineers that are dumber, but I will never believe in this ... What is the reason for our constant, I would say chronic lag in the field of electronics? A beggar China at one time and he mastered the release of processors. Damn there are specialists here enlighten plizz winked


    for the development of the electronics industry, SIMULTANEOUS successes and achievements in:
    1. material science = was and is
    2. math = was and is
    3. scientific and engineering personnel = was and ... a little bit left
    4. "tools" for creating machines (technologies) = it was not enough, but NOW NOT
    5. effective technology = it was only until the middle of the 1960's, and BECAUSE NOW

    even optimistically in the next 10 years in Russia all the components for a competitive electronic industry will not appear.
  49. SmileSimple
    SmileSimple April 10 2014 17: 29
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    [quote = SmileSimple] [quote = GAndr] 5. effective technology = it was only until the middle of the 1960's, and BECAUSE NOW
    [/ Quote]

    on simple human
    - Our smart scientists and engineers have relied on the "X-ray" technology for the production of chips
    - The United States began to develop "laser technology" of production = etching of transistors on a single crystal
    - X-RAY has waves shorter than LASER and can theoretically make smaller processors
    - Until the mid-1960's, technologies developed comparable
    - from 1970's and until now our scientists DO NOT get X-ray to work with nanoscale = i.e. create tools and machines
    - The United States, having relied on a "coarser" technology, continues to develop LASER and has reached the level of 10 nanometers.

    Alas, our scientists in the USSR simply overestimated their scientific strength.
    But in space, on the contrary, the USSR chose a simpler technology and are still flying, and the United States with its shuttles closed.
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 April 10 2014 19: 41
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      Quote: SmileSimple
      Alas, our scientists in the USSR simply overestimated their scientific strength.

      MSVS 5.0 I wanted to put myself. I decided that it makes no sense. I already have Linux. And the Mobile System of the Armed Forces is built on the Linux kernel .. The truth is a little awkwardly done .. But for the war it will come down .. Even on the ISS the Windows was replaced by Linux ..

      Its power will be 1,2 petaflops. And the main feature of this computer is that the entire component base, all processors will be of Russian design "
      What is petaflop can be viewed on Wikipedia. My language does not turn.

      Technologies
      Computer will not give out secrets
      In Russia, create a super-computer
      Text: Sergey Ptichkin
      10.04.2014, 00: 50
      The needs of the military-industrial complex in computing power will be fully satisfied without imported electronic "brains".
      http://www.rg.ru/2014/04/10/electron.html
  50. DimDimych
    DimDimych April 10 2014 17: 32
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    Russia must (and can) produce all domestically, especially in the current situation.
    1. SmileSimple
      SmileSimple April 10 2014 18: 19
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      1. For example, according to the plan for the production of nuclear weapons in the next three years, less than ~ 100 missiles. Thus, missiles with 3-fold redundancy require ~ 1500 processors. And for this to build a plant with a cost of 15'000'000'000usd ?!
      2. a few years ago, a grandmother on a bus was telling a neighbor, and I heard ...
      Russia signs a contract with a factory in Taiwan.
      - Taiwanese send a description of their machines
      - ours write a machine control program
      - a platoon of KGB officers comes to a factory in Taiwan
      - downloads the program and produces chips
      - a platoon of KGB officers takes 1 suitcase of quality + 1 suitcase of marriage + erases the program in the machine
      - a platoon of KGB officers with microchips returns to Moscow

      If true, then it turns out that it’s cheaper and state secrets are preserved.
      Maybe the grandmother told the truth?
    2. SmileSimple
      SmileSimple April 10 2014 18: 19
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      1. For example, according to the plan for the production of nuclear weapons in the next three years, less than ~ 100 missiles. Thus, missiles with 3-fold redundancy require ~ 1500 processors. And for this to build a plant with a cost of 15'000'000'000usd ?!
      2. a few years ago, a grandmother on a bus was telling a neighbor, and I heard ...
      Russia signs a contract with a factory in Taiwan.
      - Taiwanese send a description of their machines
      - ours write a machine control program
      - a platoon of KGB officers comes to a factory in Taiwan
      - downloads the program and produces chips
      - a platoon of KGB officers takes 1 suitcase of quality + 1 suitcase of marriage + erases the program in the machine
      - a platoon of KGB officers with microchips returns to Moscow

      If true, then it turns out that it’s cheaper and state secrets are preserved.
      Maybe the grandmother told the truth?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 April 10 2014 19: 39
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        Quote: SmileSimple
        Maybe the grandmother told the truth?

        for the sake of 1500 percent, they won’t even lift a toe. Especially under such conditions. It’s possible not to build plants at all, but to produce everything in Asia according to our drawings
      2. sazhka4
        sazhka4 April 10 2014 20: 08
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        For example, a computer with a speed of 1,2 petaflops is being developed in Fryazino near Moscow. That is, he will be able to produce 1,2x10 in the fifteenth degree of operations per second in one second
        http://www.rg.ru/2014/04/10/electron.html