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Russia reported on the transfer to Ukraine of the Crimean military equipment

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Russia reported on the transfer to Ukraine of the Crimean military equipmentRussia has almost completed the export of Ukrainian tracked and wheeled vehicles from the Crimea, and negotiations are continuing on the return of 70 order to the Ukrainian Navy warships and aircraft fleet. Russia is returning military equipment to Ukraine not only for political, but also for purely technical reasons: most often it is unsuitable for real combat use.


Russia transferred to Kiev more than 350 units of military equipment located on the territory of the Crimea in the former military units of Ukraine. This was said on Wednesday by Deputy Defense Minister General of the Army Dmitry Bulgakov. He clarified that the export of tracked and wheeled vehicles was almost completed. Negotiations on the return of 70 warships and vessels of the Ukrainian Navy and the fleet are also ongoing.

At the same time, the Ministry of Defense is ready to complete the transfer of all equipment by June, but Bulgakov emphasized that the export process was complicated by the constant disruption by the Ukrainians of the terms for the provision of rolling stock. According to him, the bulk of the remaining military equipment is deployed by the forces of the Black Sea fleet Russia at the loading station. “These weapons and military equipment are being transferred in the state in which they were abandoned by Ukrainian troops,” Bulgakov noted.

Previously, contradictory information appeared on how the work is going on the return of equipment, the list of which has changed all the time. Moreover, the Ukrainian press reported that all the equipment sent to the mainland was allegedly completely disabled by Russian soldiers.

On the eve of and. about. Andrei Senchenko, deputy head of the presidential administration of Ukraine, said that an agreement was reached between Moscow and Kiev on the withdrawal of all Ukrainian ships from the Crimea; According to him, these ships are now in Sevastopol.

In early April, the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Viktor Chirkov, said that the 79 ships of the Ukrainian Navy remain in the Crimea. Also, the Black Sea Fleet refused to use the Ukrainian diesel-electric submarine "Zaporizhia" (submarine project 641) because of its moral and technical obsolescence.

In turn, the head of the Crimean Media Center of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Vladislav Seleznev reported on the agreement reached on the withdrawal of Ukrainian aircraft. “One plane will take off itself after maintenance, some more will be transported by land transport,” Seleznev noted.

As the newspaper VIEW, reported, to return to Ukraine its equipment ordered Russian President Vladimir Putin. Note that if the Ukrainian equipment remained in the Crimea, it would be considered a trophy. In other words, this would be a sign that there was a war between Ukraine and Russia, even though the new status of Crimea was determined by a referendum in which the overwhelming number of inhabitants of the peninsula spoke in favor of independence from Ukraine and joining Russia.

After the August 2008 events of the year, when Russia conducted an operation to force Georgia to peace, captured weapon and the enemy equipment was not returned to Tbilisi. Moreover, among the trophies were American samples. Washington has repeatedly demanded that this technique be returned, but Moscow pointed out that “we don’t need this weapon, we are not going to shoot American rifles and machine guns, but these are military trophies we’ve got.”

As the Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Leonid Polyakov said earlier, if Kiev fails to take out its equipment and property, the country will demand compensation from Russia in international courts. The Ukrainian authorities estimated their military assets in the Crimea in 11,439 billion dollars, and the volume of ammunition - in 36 thousand tons.

As for the Ukrainian technology in the Crimea, basically all of it is 70-s of release and, as noted in the Ministry of Defense, without the prospects of using it in the Armed Forces of Russia. "Utilization of equipment, and even more so its restoration or modernization does not make sense because of inefficiency and high cost," they said there.

Experts have indicated that this armored vehicle is not suitable for conducting full-fledged military operations. However, part of the equipment can be put into service, and the rest - go for parts. As Vasily Kashin, an expert at the Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, noted that during the entire post-Soviet period, Ukraine almost did not purchase new weapons, but individual air defense and communications equipment is of some value.

“A few dozen units of automotive equipment were purchased per year. In Russia, in the worst years, such weapons were bought by hundreds and thousands. Ukraine once bought 10 tanks Oplot upgraded the old T-64 tanks. That was the maximum. There were single purchases of infantry weapons for various special forces, communications, radar. There is a small chance that some of this is in the Crimea. In general, all that the Ukrainian army has is a mountain of Soviet weapons, in many respects with expired storage periods, first of all, this concerns missile weapons. Its quantity in a combat-ready state is constantly decreasing, ”Kashin said.

We add that in exchange for the exported Ukrainian equipment, the Crimea gets modern weapons. Instead of returning the main battle tanks T-64, the peninsula receives upgraded T-72. At the end of March, 10 of such vehicles arrived at the location of the military unit in Perevalnoye.
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  1. avant-garde
    avant-garde April 10 2014 09: 42
    +26
    Russia is a generous soul !!! We do not need a stranger (although our former)! Get in touch with her as they say ho.kh.l.y. yourself!
    1. maks-101
      maks-101 April 10 2014 09: 48
      +4
      in such cases they say do not touch you will not stink
      1. avg
        avg April 10 2014 10: 32
        +2
        The Ukrainian press reported that all equipment sent to the mainland was allegedly completely disabled by Russian soldiers.

        Sometimes it would be nice for the Ukrainian press to listen to what their deputies and numerous defense ministers say. You might even wonder why they change so fast.
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 10 2014 09: 50
      +21
      The Ukrainian authorities estimated their military property in Crimea at $ 11,439 billion,
      How in Kiev they know how to quickly evaluate))) (just the direct debt for Russian gas) laughing
      1. avg
        avg April 10 2014 10: 35
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        How in Kiev they know how to quickly evaluate)))

        Master class at the Baltic states passed yes
      2. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov April 10 2014 11: 53
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        The Ukrainian authorities estimated their military property in Crimea at $ 11,439 billion,
        How in Kiev they know how to quickly evaluate))) (just the direct debt for Russian gas) laughing

        This is a direct offer, we change the property of Ukraine to loot! The main US, the rest, who will take it!
        1. shaman-25rus
          shaman-25rus April 10 2014 14: 39
          0
          they didn’t say what dolars. maybe in zimbabwean
          ?
    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks April 10 2014 10: 06
      +4
      Ukraine once bought Oplot 10 tanks


      amusing army, but how many ambitions

      remain 79 ships of the Ukrainian Navy.


      Once again I come across journalistic delintalism, as part of the Naval Forces of Ukraine ~ 25 "combat" ships and boats, most of which have already occupied 20 extra berths at the berth, they have a place in the cemetery or as a target at the field, however, what am I talking about request and about 50 auxiliary vessels, with them the situation is even worse. And the most important questions: how and who, and most importantly, where can they be overtaken, who and where will the "fleet" serve? By the way, Ukraine has a chance to get rid of this junk for free
      1. bvi1965
        bvi1965 April 10 2014 11: 45
        +1
        Quote: seller trucks
        once again I come across journalistic delintalism, in the navy ~ 25 "combat" ships and boats

        Quote: seller trucks
        and about 50 auxiliary vessels


        I completely agree. But it hurts even more when "commanders" are called "captains"
      2. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf April 10 2014 11: 58
        0
        seller trucks
        ... By the way, in Ukraine there was a chance for free to get rid of this scrap

        Yeah! And bill Russia allegedly for selling her scrap metal!
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      4. max702
        max702 April 10 2014 12: 34
        0
        They do not want a freebie, they want to fuck money for it ...
    4. Splin
      Splin April 10 2014 10: 08
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      Quote: avant-garde
      Russia is a generous soul !!! We do not need a stranger (although our former)!

      1. RusKaz
        RusKaz April 10 2014 10: 33
        +14
        I don’t argue that they could spoil the equipment, it may well be, but it’s not a fact that it was originally all operational. So here they can slander. Why, in general, Russia returns everything, because rubbish is essentially everything. not needed for nothing.
        1. Splin
          Splin April 10 2014 10: 40
          .
          Quote: RusKaz
          Why, in general, Russia returns everything, because rubbish is essentially everything. not needed for nothing

          That's right, go prove it wasn't like this before. And to return to Russia in any way would have to but money and through the courts. The euphoria from capture is passing, but international laws will remain. This is not "Artek", which you cannot bear. For him later, Russia will compensate the damage. And what can be moved is returned to Ukraine, in a filthy state.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks April 10 2014 10: 47
            +16
            Quote: Splin
            This is not "Artek", which you cannot bear. For him later, Russia will compensate the damage.


            and ha-ha not ho-ho, show at least one building that was built on the territory of Artek during your stay in Ukraine. the building of the camp "Diamond" 200 meters from the place where I lived before, just to the left is a huge hole in the ground.
            by the way here's another photo
          2. sergey72
            sergey72 April 10 2014 11: 05
            +9
            Quote: Splin
            international laws will remain. This is not "Artek", which you cannot bear. For him later, Russia will compensate the damage

            What for the sake of? The money for the construction of Artek came not from the republican budget, but from the union ....
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks April 10 2014 13: 29
              0
              in general, Artek submitted and was on the balance sheet of the Office of the President of Ukraine, and now, it goes to the balance sheet of the Office of the President of Russia. But not in this case, all the former directors of Artek were involved in corruption scandals and money laundering. The largest scandal in Artek is connected with the name of a certain Boris Novozhilov, who was accused of misappropriation of almost 300 million hryvnias, didn’t hold the director for more than a year, they were appointed only by Kiev.
          3. Tersky
            Tersky April 10 2014 11: 09
            +8
            Quote: Splin
            . For him later Russia will indemnify.

            After Ukraine reimburses 16,5 lard of current debts And what is there from Ukraine? Dohrena Ukraine has "tuned" and "grown" over the years, the entire infrastructure of the Crimea was built in the days of the union. So be blown away ...
            1. Aliv
              Aliv April 10 2014 12: 55
              +7
              By the way, the USSR gave you this technique too. But gifts do not climb back, so take them, use your equipment. We are not greedy. But we did not give you Crimea. You appropriated it yourself, using the stupidity and betrayal of our government. Now return. EBN is dead. You also need to present an invoice for the lease of land for which Russian people have shed blood for centuries. What have you done so that Crimea wishes to stay on Ukran? For twenty years he was only robbed. Return it to us in the form in which they were taken, or compensate with gold. Cunning ... s. When H.O.H. O. L was born, a Jew cried.
            2. jjj
              jjj April 10 2014 13: 00
              +8
              And I recall how in the early nineties, Ukraine demanded money from Russia from objects of all-Union property that Russia got: such as the Kremlin, the Bolshoi Theater, embassy buildings, etc. Ended up with nothing.
              Now about the damage to military equipment. So the Ukrainians themselves spoiled it that the "sworn mocks" did not get
          4. inkass_98
            inkass_98 April 10 2014 13: 22
            +1
            Quote: Splin
            And in any case, I would have to return Russia to Russia, but through money and through the courts.

            Nude, sit down. What is it that she set up on her own, which was not in the USSR? So relax, you will not be sent.
          5. biglow
            biglow April 10 2014 14: 30
            +3
            Quote: Splin
            Quote: RusKaz
            Why, in general, Russia returns everything, because rubbish is essentially everything. not needed for nothing

            That's right, go prove it wasn't like this before. And to return to Russia in any way would have to but money and through the courts. The euphoria from capture is passing, but international laws will remain. This is not "Artek", which you cannot bear. For him later, Russia will compensate the damage. And what can be moved is returned to Ukraine, in a filthy state.

            Ukraine has not invested a dime in the Crimea ... In Artek, they began to slowly slander the land ... Russia owes Ukraine nothing, rather the opposite fool
            1. Aljavad
              Aljavad April 11 2014 01: 04
              +1
              In Artek, they began to slowly plunder the land ...


              We are also late ...
              Half of the Nikitsky garden was built up with cottages!
              A little more and instead of Artek, a gay club would have been! Private.
          6. sv68
            sv68 April 10 2014 14: 41
            +2
            so tell me what we captured there, you yourself have crushed everything that you can, and now you are trying to breed Russia for money and suck the girls so that we miserable for your scrap metal and also pay
          7. Anatoly39
            Anatoly39 April 10 2014 16: 11
            +3
            Who should pay the damage? Turn on the brain. Gangsters are in power. And what damage? Themselves B. all prosrali. Turn on the brain
          8. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. April 10 2014 21: 13
            0
            No courts will prove any damage.
            They simply will not be allowed into the garrisons and will be sent to where they came from, as they say ...
        2. serega.fedotov
          serega.fedotov April 10 2014 10: 52
          +5
          Quote: RusKaz
          I don’t argue that they could spoil the equipment, it may well be, but it’s not a fact that it was originally all operational. So here they can slander. Why, in general, Russia returns everything, because rubbish is essentially everything. not needed for nothing.

          On the one hand, the technique is NOT trophies — it’s necessary to return it! On the other hand, the equipment belongs to the Crimea — it should stay! The paradox is decided by the scrap metal –– to return, / the policy however! / Leave the valuable technique! Moreover, no lawyer will be able to tell anyone what owned, and how much was!
          And lastly: if Odessa and Nikolaev declare independence from Kiev, then HOW can we return the ships?
          1. RusKaz
            RusKaz April 10 2014 11: 15
            .
            serega.fedotov
            here you understand what question, the point is not to consider a trophy or not to consider. I’m also reading Ukrainian sites, the comments there on articles ... Nect. people are wondering, well, well, you took Russia to Crimea, yes, you think that this is Russian land, and so on. But why don’t you return our property left in Crimea to us? Our ships, planes, etc. Those. they grabbed the Crimea, and everything that was there at that moment is now yours, right? What should I call it if not robbery? And at the same time, Putin says that Ukrainians are fraternal Russian people. They don’t do this to fraternal people. It only sets Ukrainians against Russians
            1. sergey72
              sergey72 April 10 2014 11: 28
              +16
              Quote: RusKaz
              But why don’t you return our property left in Crimea to us? Our ships, planes, etc. Those. they grabbed the Crimea, and everything that was there at that moment is now yours, right?

              Let them remember 1992 ... The seizures of the Black Sea Fleet coastal facilities were thrown out of the dormitories of the wives of Russian officers while their husbands were at sea ..
            2. kolyhalovs
              kolyhalovs April 10 2014 11: 33
              +7
              When they separated from the Union, they gave a lot? Only nuclear weapons, and even then forced. Crimea separated and everything that was separated there with it. I think so.
              1. Anatoly39
                Anatoly39 April 10 2014 16: 17
                0
                Right! And don't give a shit about them, they took away, "captured", "annexed" our Crimea
            3. Dimon-chik-79
              Dimon-chik-79 April 10 2014 13: 11
              +4
              Brotherly people, but their state doesn’t exist! They didn’t grab, but returned! And all that was there at that moment now belongs by right to the people of Crimea. Those. to whom it all belonged to that and left!
              So there is no need here to dissolve nonsense, about the robbery, about the seizure!
            4. Anatoly39
              Anatoly39 April 10 2014 16: 15
              0
              Cho again wanted a freebie? Go to work
            5. Pashhenko Nikolay
              Pashhenko Nikolay April 10 2014 19: 26
              0
              Dear, the property in Crimea belongs to the Crimeans, because it is located on their land. They voted in a referendum to enter Russia with all their property. And there is no need to speculate with the brotherhood of peoples. Something is not felt in the Ukrainian media about brotherly relations with us.
            6. Aljavad
              Aljavad April 11 2014 01: 15
              0
              They don’t do this to fraternal people.

              The brothers sometimes fight like this - the neighbors are scared!
              And then the picture: Two brothers shared the inheritance. One works, and the second - the father let the mined in the wind, it is so strange that it is embarrassing and parasitic from neighbors. Yes, even to the fraudster - then devour for free, then borrow money. It’s not a pity for the family’s bread, but it’s a brotherly duty - to slack the loafer for bastardism, and take away the shrines from the fathers while they are intact. When it comes to reason, the brothers know how to put up.
          2. Genry
            Genry April 10 2014 11: 32
            +7
            Quote: serega.fedotov
            if Odessa and Nikolaev declare independence from Kiev, then HOW can we return the ships?

            To the Kiev Sea ...
          3. jjj
            jjj April 10 2014 13: 02
            0
            Quote: serega.fedotov
            And lastly: if Odessa and Nikolaev declare independence from Kiev, then HOW can we return the ships?

            Let's return them to the place where the battleship Potemkin after the uprising laid the course. It seems like it was Constanta
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks April 10 2014 10: 37
        +10
        you (-) for what you see on the frank get along. All questions about the equipment set for your thieves, ensigns, first, the batteries can not serve 30 and more than years, it is clear that they were not there, second, the tires are mostly incomplete (carts with tractors). in fact, for civilian purposes, in the Russian Armed Forces, basically, four-wheel drive, so that before the removed PPC, such people do not already do this, so that the AF cannot be used. and last, judging by the general condition of the equipment, nobody has been engaged in the conservation of equipment for at least 10-15 years.
        1. Splin
          Splin April 10 2014 10: 57
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          Quote: seller trucks
          All questions to complete the equipment for your thieves-ensigns

          I don’t want to argue anymore with the Russians, and with the super-propaganda of the Russian media, yesterday we discussed that Ukrainian landings in Donetsk and Lugansk would enter and all Ukrainians became sharply Bendera. The battery really has not been stored for more than 3 years, but there are also combat vehicles, and I generally keep quiet on the tanks. Of the 41st, previously one was not on the move, but all had sights (night and rangefinders), radio stations, surveillance devices, operating stabilizers. A train arrived near Odessa - in 2/3 of the cars this is not. Russia may not need this good, but the tank is not working yet.
          All. Good luck to all. It is a pity that you had a long fight with Ukraine.
          1. sergey72
            sergey72 April 10 2014 11: 08
            +15
            Quote: Splin
            All. Good luck to all. It is a pity that you had a long fight with Ukraine.

            Have a nice one you too... hi It's just impossible to swear with someone who is no longer .... alas ...
            1. Aljavad
              Aljavad April 11 2014 01: 20
              0
              with someone who is no longer ...


              WITH THOSE WHO DO NOT BECOME A STATE.
          2. seller trucks
            seller trucks April 10 2014 11: 19
            +10
            Quote: Splin
            I do not want to argue more with the Russians, and the super-propaganda of the Russian media


            Well, uncle, if you do not want something, why the hell did you register for BO, especially if you have nothing to say.

            The battery is really not stored for more than 3 years, but there are also combat cars, and I generally keep silent about tanks. Of the 41, previously, one was not on the move, but everyone had sights (night and range finders), radio stations, surveillance devices, working stabilizers. A train arrived in Odessa - there are no such machines in 2 / 3. Maybe Russia does not need this good, but the tank is not yet a worker.


            and yes, I remember the parade in Sevastopol when the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier drowned
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks April 10 2014 12: 03
              +5
              Shl. how could forget the non-combat losses of Ukraine:

              March 3 in one of the Ukrainian military units caught fire tank with full ammunition. That is, a full round of ammunition was loaded into it, after which a short circuit occurred, and it “safely” caught fire.

              Later it became known that this is not the only case. A day earlier, 22 March, 5 tanks were burned down in Krivoy Rog and one self-propelled howitzer in the Kherson region.

              There were also irretrievably lost: 2 BTR, which fell from the vehicle platform carrying them, the 1 BMP, which burned due to a short circuit and 1 army truck, which flew off the track into a ditch. And these are only those cases that have become known. Such facts suggest that the Ukrainian army's equipment, which was stored for a long time, was not properly maintained and tested, but simply “rotted” in the pits.


              Putin is to blame?
            2. Splin
              Splin April 10 2014 13: 48
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              Quote: seller trucks
              Well, uncle, if you do not want something, why the hell did you register for BO, especially if you have nothing to say.

              Will have to come back, for a lot of feedback on my comments.
              I registered with here a very long time ago and no one then thought that because of the ambitions of one person who did not forgive the Maidan to Ukraine, two peoples shit..sya. I just had no time to write because of my work, but now it’s faster. Have you noticed that many (the lion's share) of Ukrainians have left the site? There are three categories left: Crimeans (who also have Ukrainian IP registration. Sycophants (popaliz) who have never lived in Russia and those who are still nostalgic for the USSR. We are not all Bendera here and I am generally Russian for example, but we are Crimea You are told a fairy tale about Khrushchev's "gift", but they do not mention how the Ukrainian SSR received the Crimea, what economy, how the Russian settlers were in poverty there (in the USSR they were forcibly resettled, almost like to Kazakhstan).
              You may not answer me, for I am leaving, but what about the territory of thousands of square kilometers of fertile land and dozens of villages that were flooded then in Ukraine to give Crimea water and light? Will Putin bring her back? Will return the fate of people?
              Excuse me, but it is unpleasant for me to talk with such people who are measured by one "necessary" measure.
              Again. It’s unfortunate that due to the fake popularity we were divided. A politician will come and go, but the peoples will have a memory.
              1. Gorinich
                Gorinich April 10 2014 14: 19
                +6
                Why come back you do not learn anything. Here is your 13 post:
                "I can't eat. Why did the Russians decide that Ukraine aspires to NATO? Or the principle:" Who is not with us is against us. "Under such a motto, you can definitely split my country in half. Matom wants to swear at such theorists."
                Have you made any conclusions? In my opinion, no ....
              2. Cherdak
                Cherdak April 10 2014 15: 28
                +4
                Quote: Splin
                what about the territory of thousands of square kilometers of fertile land and dozens of villages that flooded then in Ukraine to give Crimea water and light? Will Putin bring her back? Will return the fate of people?


                Sorry, Dan, but it's snot.

                The Kakhovka reservoir is formed by the dam of the Kakhovka hydroelectric station. Completed in 1955-1958.
                When creating the reservoir, about 90 villages were flooded.
                Length 230 km
                Width 25 km
                Area 2155 km²
                Volume 18,2 km³

                Such examples are immeasurable in the USSR!

                The construction was carried out throughout the country and here you better keep quiet in a rag.
                As, however, for most post-war industrial facilities.
                What has Ukraine done over the years of its lack of land? Stupidly resold what got from the USSR?
              3. doc62
                doc62 April 10 2014 15: 45
                +1
                sick of disappearing
              4. builder74
                builder74 April 10 2014 19: 31
                +1
                Quote: Splin
                they just don’t mention how Crimea adopted the Ukrainian SSR, with what economy, how the Russian migrants were in poverty (they were forcibly resettled in the USSR, almost like in Kazakhstan).


                There was ONE country! The whole country worked, fought, rejoiced. And please do not carry nonsense about worthless Russians and working Ukrainians.

                Quote: Splin
                but Crimea we will not forgive you

                For most people in Russia, Russians and Ukrainians are one nation. And if for Ukraine not, then let it be. Then it is all the more correct that Crimea reunited with Russia.
              5. Suvorov
                Suvorov April 10 2014 21: 13
                +2
                Quote: Splin
                It is unfortunate that due to the fake popularity we were divided.


                We were divided back in 1991 and our geopolitical opponents did it with the help of our traitors. We were one country - one people, and a great country - a superpower. Half of Europe and half of the world were our friends and allies, the rest were respected and feared. What is Ukraine now? A second-rate country, the fate of which is negotiated behind its back. Russia was like that too, but now, thank God, it is reviving and regaining its greatness. Yes, the Soviet economy did not provide consumption at the level of Western countries, but social security was much higher. Instead of helping Russia create a powerful new independent "center of power" and share its benefits, Ukrainians are treacherously sided with their geopolitical adversary. Well, you "brainwashed" brothers!
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          3. kolyhalovs
            kolyhalovs April 10 2014 11: 26
            +18
            In fact, everything is simple. The dispute over who broke it is idle chatter, because I have never heard at all that weapons were transferred (for free or free of charge, in any way) to a hostile country. A country that brought "its" leaders to power on the slogans of hatred for Russia and everything Russian.
            And if it so happened that it was decided to transfer (which personally revolts me), then transfer in good condition - this is complete insanity.
          4. Tersky
            Tersky April 10 2014 11: 29
            +22
            Quote: Splin
            . It is a pity that you had a long fight with Ukraine.

            Yeah, all of Russia is just in ecstasy, and for 20 years yelling "Ho-in for knives, ukranyaku for gilyaku", don't you confuse the coast?
          5. Genry
            Genry April 10 2014 11: 38
            +21
            In fact, the Ukrainian military themselves did not want to give the equipment to the Russians. That kurochil her before leaving.
            Have you forgotten about this "heroism"?
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks April 10 2014 11: 48
              +5
              Quote: Genry
              In fact, the Ukrainian military themselves did not want to give the equipment to the Russians. That kurochil her before leaving.
              Have you forgotten about this "heroism"?


              laughing and there was something to give?

              somewhere in the Crimea:

              http://www.avsimrus.com/digest/topic/125053-samoleti-v-simulyatore-i-ih-sudba-v-
              realnom-mire / top / 25p /
            2. mithridate
              mithridate April 10 2014 13: 46
              0
              to be honest, there’s nothing to be kinked there already
          6. Patriot.ru.
            Patriot.ru. April 10 2014 11: 47
            +3
            I feel Russian maximalism. I support you, and yet we did not swear. And all your equipment is really metal. The fact that there is no camouflage and the Russians stole okay. But why there are no gearboxes ???
          7. avt
            avt April 10 2014 11: 50
            +5
            Quote: Splin
            It is a pity that you had a long fight with Ukraine.

            Quote: sergey72
            It's just impossible to swear with someone who is no longer .... alas ...

            That's right .
            Quote: Genry
            In fact, the Ukrainian military themselves did not want to give the equipment to the Russians. That kurochil her before leaving.
            Have you forgotten about this "heroism"?

            When the BDK engine was crushed with cement. The devices were broken, they sang about "Varyag" - now they will say that Moscow saboteurs sneaked in and broke everything, but they stood nearby and asked - "Uncle, don't break it!" laughing
          8. surovyi kot
            surovyi kot April 10 2014 11: 51
            +2
            Well, we probably shouted in Russia: "yaku to gilyak!" And it all began, before the Crimea. None of the pravoseks is hiding anything, they killed a girl on the street and everyone pretends that everything is fine. Where is her father? Surely in Siberia, these scumbags would not have survived until the next morning. The bears are hungry now.
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          11. mithridate
            mithridate April 10 2014 13: 42
            +1
            For 23 years, it was necessary to engage in maintenance of equipment, and not its theft. And now, of course, it’s convenient to push the whole shortage to the Russians
      3. Tersky
        Tersky April 10 2014 11: 24
        +5
        Splin and what this "video proof" is about "Video UP: Russian views on Ukrainian technology" .Russia it on act-priemyu.prynimala? Or maybe ukram still new at the expense of the Russian military-industrial complex to adjust? 40 dry in Belbek, too, damned m ... Kali for 23 years took away. "Mighty" VMFU? Or decided to troll? minus, go ahead ...
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      5. svp67
        svp67 April 10 2014 11: 50
        +2
        Vidio usual - what they had, they got ... the equipment was clearly removed from storage, and how the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces kept it and cared for it is another question ... So, Take the village tractor ...
      6. Aliv
        Aliv April 10 2014 12: 42
        +2
        This is how much we need to piss on the equipment to our soldiers, so that it is so rusted. And how much you need to drift on KAMAZ, so that you would shatter the rubber. Some already burst wheels. Vali is all in Russian! They are rechargeable batteries.
    5. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 10 2014 13: 18
      +3
      Nowhere more generous laughing.
    6. bvi1965
      bvi1965 April 10 2014 15: 08
      0
      As Papanov said in the film “The Diamond Arm”, that everything will be in its entire form: inventory-protocol, passed, accepted ...
    7. APASUS
      APASUS April 10 2014 18: 40
      0
      Quote: avant-garde
      Russia is a generous soul !!! We do not need a stranger (although our former)!

      In Crimea, the equipment itself from the cost of infrastructure is 5 percent, it makes sense to strain because of it. The main cost is land for bases, runways, port docks and mooring walls. Let it all be in a deplorable state but the cost is incommensurable!
  2. avt
    avt April 10 2014 09: 43
    +4
    The ships seemed to say that they would leave those that they themselves raised the St. Andrew’s flags. Maybe all the same they will leave something? There is a tugboat there, a tanker, something else on the little things, again the BDK, we don’t have many of them and they aren’t new. Again at the factory a couple of hydrofoils are in a good degree of readiness. With them, how?
    1. Bkmz
      Bkmz April 10 2014 09: 54
      +6
      So the GDP said that the technology would be given to those parts that decided to continue serving in Ukraine.
    2. RusKaz
      RusKaz April 10 2014 09: 59
      +4
      The article says
      if Ukrainian equipment remained in the Crimea, then it would be considered a trophy. In other words, this would be a sign that there was a war between Ukraine and Russia

      Even part of the military equipment.
      And then the Andreev flag was hoisted by all the ships of the Ukrainian Navy. Even those who fiercely resisted this. For example, BDK Olshansky and the minesweeper of Cherkasy.
      And one of the first to do this was a submarine. Why does she need Russia?
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 10 2014 10: 02
      +3
      Quote: avt
      They seemed to say on the ships that they would leave those that themselves raised the St. Andrew’s flags

      Yes, it’s not at all clear what the heck it was to raise our flags on ships, so that later they would be removed request
      1. RusKaz
        RusKaz April 10 2014 10: 20
        +1
        Moreover, if I remember correctly, all the symbols of Ukraine were removed there. Coats of arms and so on.
        In my opinion, the point to a similar decision was that Shoigu (and he proposed to transfer all the equipment back) found out that the Olshansky team had disabled the engine and ruined all the ship's control devices. So it’s cheaper to cut it than to fix it.
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 April 10 2014 10: 27
          +3
          Quote: RusKaz
          learned that the Olshansky team disabled the engine and ruined all ship control devices

          They are not on purpose - this is the level of technical culture of the current Hohezefleet ... I had a classmate before the BSF until 2005, according to his stories, it was common to invite specialists from our ships to Ukrainian, they could not cope ...
          1. RusKaz
            RusKaz April 10 2014 11: 48
            +3
            No, there was a slightly different situation. They wrote on Ukrainian sites that the Olshansky team specially flooded the engine of the ship with cement (or simply sand) and beat all the devices with a hammer. I saw a video of his capture, the ship really stood motionless in the lake (Donuzlav). Cherkasy, for example, moved inextricably to make its capture difficult.

            I imagine how annoying now the crew of the BDK ship Olshansky will receive it back in this form)
            1. sergey72
              sergey72 April 10 2014 12: 24
              0
              Quote: RusKaz
              No, there was a slightly different situation

              Maybe ... Maybe the fuel is trite ended ....
        2. krpmlws
          krpmlws April 10 2014 12: 01
          +1
          Perhaps the reason for the return is the desire of the Russian Federation to implement the plan for the rearmament of the army. Old rubbish just spoils the statistics. Personally, I don’t really care about these statistics and other probable reasons. It was impossible to give the equipment, because it was in the territory of the Republic of Crimea and is its property. This Soviet technology, and Russia’s successor to the USSR. Moreover, it’s depressing that the Andreevsky flag was already hoisted on the ships. It would be nice to give it to the brotherly people, a friendly state, but they gave it to the fascist junta! Part of this technique will probably be used to suppress the popular movement in the southeastern regions, and this already somehow smells bad of the betrayal of compatriots.
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 April 10 2014 10: 44
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, it’s not at all clear what the heck it was to raise our flags on ships, so that later they would be removed

        I don’t understand the same thing, then they would not have raised Andreevsky. Although the seizure of ships involved, as a rule, self-defense, they could do on their own initiative.
        But in view of today's events, I would wait for them to transmit something until the country calms down ...
    4. Tersky
      Tersky April 10 2014 11: 36
      +2
      Quote: avt
      Maybe all the same they will leave something? There is a tugboat there, a tanker, something else on the little things, again the BDK, we don’t have many of them and they aren’t new.

      There is nothing to leave there, the same trash as the whole army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine .. Keep such junk on your own way ...
      1. avt
        avt April 10 2014 13: 13
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        There is nothing to leave there, the same trash as the entire army of the APU ..

        The Black Sea Fleet is currently repairing the BDK from the series of the 1966-1975 model year, DAM was taken to it.
  3. NIVH
    NIVH April 10 2014 09: 50
    +7
    Tanks that don't start. Planes that do not fly. Ships that rust. Probably, this military equipment will significantly increase the defense potential of Ukraine!
    1. Duke
      Duke April 10 2014 10: 07
      +2
      Quote: NIVH
      Tanks that don't start. Planes that do not fly. Ships that rust. Probably, this military equipment will significantly increase the defense potential of Ukraine!

      Only one plane will fly away by itself.
      1. air force 32
        air force 32 April 10 2014 10: 36
        +1
        The question is, whose pilot will sit at the helm?
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  4. erased
    erased April 10 2014 09: 52
    +4
    Junk is not necessary, it is a fact. But they could have transferred it to the legitimate authority, which so far is not in Kiev. And then it turns out, passed the junta, Bandera. They drag the same junk to the East, obviously not for playing.
  5. major071
    major071 April 10 2014 09: 53
    +9
    Most of all I liked how the remains of rotten equipment were evaluated in Kiev, already in 11 and a half billion green. wassat But what, we are old for ourselves, and we will write off all debts from them? And huh hu not ho ho? fool
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 10 2014 10: 21
      +2
      It seems to me better to evaluate this Ukrainian good not in dollars, but in tons, this is rubbish!
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf April 10 2014 12: 09
        +1
        major071
        Most of all I liked how the remains of rotten equipment were evaluated in Kiev, already in 11 and a half billion green.
        But what, we are old for ourselves, and we will write off all debts from them? And huh hu no ho ho

        This they are taking into account the fact that rarities!
        They will also add in history books that this technique participated in the hostilities with Russia!
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  6. ken
    ken April 10 2014 09: 57
    +1
    It’s a pity that they gave it away, they could bury it in the ground and make a pillbox, for example. Although there were probably circumstances.
  7. mamont5
    mamont5 April 10 2014 09: 58
    +2
    "The Ukrainian press reported that all equipment sent to the mainland was allegedly completely disabled by Russian soldiers."
    No, it's just TIME tried, well, and the Ukrainian army helped him as much as she could.

    Now, if the war begins now, then all the captured equipment will already be a TROPHEUS and Ukrainians will get it, figs, except for a ransom.
  8. zulus222
    zulus222 April 10 2014 10: 01
    +1
    well, right! g themselves .... such a heap!
  9. siberalt
    siberalt April 10 2014 10: 01
    +1
    Getting a junk back is a headache. Yes, and do not play pritenzy.
  10. Petr1
    Petr1 April 10 2014 10: 02
    +1
    We don’t need it ourselves, we need to send spare parts to Syria there, why should the banderlogs give it all the same metal! request
  11. made13
    made13 April 10 2014 10: 03
    +5
    Dogs, they stole everything themselves, and Russia is to blame. But it’s interesting how they will transport Olshansky BDK - according to rumors, the captain gave the command to pour cement into the fuel tanks and drive the power plant to the wedge? Then they will probably say that they are taking revenge for not surrendering.
  12. Name
    Name April 10 2014 10: 05
    +2
    Russia has almost completed the export of Ukrainian tracked and wheeled vehicles from Crimea-for PACE, then, RUSSIA didn’t just withdraw, but LEAD OUT to the territory of UKRAINE ... belay OH..CHO SAID..a..MDA ...
  13. Klim2011
    Klim2011 April 10 2014 10: 07
    +1
    Quote: major071
    Most of all I liked how the remains of rotten equipment were evaluated in Kiev, already in 11 and a half billion green. wassat But what, we are old for ourselves, and we will write off all debts from them? And huh hu not ho ho? fool

    They now have all the problems removed. They do not need this technique in fact. It costs $ 11,5 as they claim. It remains only to sell for this amount, and even the IMF does not need them!
  14. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 10 2014 10: 08
    +1
    But they won’t say thanks! Against the people use! This is wrong! Nehru monkey give up arms!
  15. 31231
    31231 April 10 2014 10: 20
    +1
    I agreed immediately with Woland. Do not need this junk, for which the Svidomo authorities will have more stench.
  16. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya April 10 2014 10: 26
    +1
    Yes, it’s not the lack of rolling stock, but simply Vtorchermet of Ukraine can’t cope with so much scrap!
  17. tirazu
    tirazu April 10 2014 10: 39
    0
    Here the boy said everything very correctly, there are only a lot of curses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWGbuR8W6A&feature=youtu.be
  18. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 10 2014 10: 41
    +2
    Let them take it and be proud of their "non-stale" rusty fleet and shitty land equipment.
    Thank you for such a decision to our Supreme.
    So Crimea will be not just an outpost, but also super modernized, unsinkable and very formidable, for scum of all stripes, a section of Russia.
  19. kelevra
    kelevra April 10 2014 10: 46
    +1
    That's right, you need to free the Crimea from unnecessary scrap!
  20. Baikal
    Baikal April 10 2014 10: 56
    +22
    Can't resist wink
    1. V1451145
      V1451145 April 10 2014 12: 12
      +1
      I fully support !!! wink
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    3. alexng
      alexng April 10 2014 12: 36
      +3
      The Crimeans have sparkling humor. Very happy for all of you! Congratulations to Crimeans, as well as my relatives and classmates, on returning home.
  21. PiP
    PiP April 10 2014 11: 08
    0
    And at whose expense is the equipment exported? If they need to, let them take it out themselves! And then they will begin to submit to the "courts" and demand compensation for the fact that we did not deliver them some kind of rubbish.
  22. vorobey
    vorobey April 10 2014 11: 10
    +11
    I have seen this transferable technique. not only trailers cannot move under their own power. so they go with sparks. and here is how the Russian barbarians are lifted before the transfer with crowbars and sledgehammers, crushing the equipment and then loading it onto the platforms. We broke off - a bunch of blacksmiths with sledgehammers around the T64 are trying to demolish his tower. In reality, it is less troublesome and costly to return it than to restore the trash that you got. Yesterday I was in Perevalnoye talking to the men, and met colleagues. to tell for a long time and if in short then whoever wanted he went to Ukraine but they are a minority. By the way, I did not observe "polite" people there. They live according to their usual routine. By the way, they caught up with me for parking right in front of the checkpoint of our regiment. did not argue. after all, landing .... and my body is tender. though they themselves were a little dazed from insolence, exchanged glances for a long time and thought who it was. It turned out that they were waiting for the cones from Sevastopol. They arrived a little later by helicopter.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 10 2014 11: 17
      +1
      Quote: vorobey
      I saw this transmitted technique.

      Ha bird hello! Judging by the fact that you got the Ukrainian flag, you moved to Crimea laughing While we’re sharpening the poop here on the site, he didn’t lose time, he quickly realized what was happening wassat
      Quote: vorobey
      By the way, I was caught up because I parked right in front of the checkpoint of our regiment. did not argue. after all, landing .... but my body is gentle

      I understand, I was afraid that you would put your spade in you laughing
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 10 2014 11: 22
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I understand, I was afraid that you would put your spade in you


        maybe he was afraid, he himself is a servant and I know the rules.

        and the shovel is with me. at the crossing, the men burned the car when they inspected. They say, but besides the trench tool there is a cold firearm ?, other prohibited items, I had to also show a Swiss knife to get them at all. neighing neighing and drove on. control is strengthened in the city itself, but it is practically invisible on the move. The people live their own lives.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 10 2014 11: 33
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          . control is strengthened in the city itself, but it is practically invisible on the move. The people live their own lives.

          In short, you will be the website's staff correspondent. New rubric - "Sperow from the scene" wink
        2. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv April 10 2014 15: 39
          +5
          Quote: vorobey
          and the shovel is with me. at the crossing, the men burned the car when they inspected. they say but besides the trench tool there is a cold firearm?

          good
          Pralno, Sanya.
          Bits - civil sucks.
          The right military ALWAYS carry with them the good old MPL-50 ...
          Digging up the earth there, chopping branches, crushing ice, turning fires ... grunting on the cumpole dull ...
          yes yes yes

          ps I hope that the belt is always with you, in jeans ...

          And a good hostess will always find a good hostess ...
          wink
          1. jayich
            jayich April 10 2014 16: 43
            +1
            I do not have a blue demilitarized smile
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  23. Polarfox
    Polarfox April 10 2014 11: 16
    +1
    Correctly done that shoved scrap metal Ukraine. Why the hell are we? And Kiev will not be able to say now, it’s as if military equipment had also been taken from him. Although, of course, he can say anything (whatever is done), but it is well known that the pieces of iron were given to him.
  24. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 10 2014 11: 20
    +6
    It’s high time to plant Gorbachev, and then he sits abroad and gives more advice.

    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 10 2014 11: 24
      +4
      political corpses stink for a long time.
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik April 10 2014 16: 08
        +4
        Quote: vorobey
        political corpses stink for a long time.

        This one doesn't stink, this one stinks!
        1. waisson
          waisson April 10 2014 20: 10
          +2
          -------------- hi
          1. waisson
            waisson April 10 2014 20: 12
            +3
            THERE IS ANOTHER THIS MADDLE BABY SLEEPING AND DREAMS ABOUT THE DECLINE OF THE USSR
  25. Polarfox
    Polarfox April 10 2014 11: 31
    +5
    Eh, as I recall, we, gaping our mouths, watched the sessions of the Supreme Council and unanimously approved this Judas, it is so sickeningly done. I am from that generation, from the Soviet. Survived and blackouts, and unemployment, and the market with its wild laws. She fed the small children with a dog, for there was nothing more. That is what the Gorbachev peace initiatives and reforms meant for the common people.
  26. Vtel
    Vtel April 10 2014 11: 33
    +2
    Cleaning Crimea from garbage - everything is on a clean-up day!
  27. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 10 2014 11: 36
    0
    Let them take their stuff. We do not need someone else's trash. We needed the Crimea, we took it, but the trash in the load - no.
  28. maxbaxg61
    maxbaxg61 April 10 2014 11: 37
    +12
    When I served on the 17th Detachment (Krivoy Rog) in my baht, all wheeled vehicles (fuel trucks, for transporting personnel, KShM, etc.) all of them were in very poor condition on the go there was only one Ural that drove us on guard, and so he drove spare parts removed from those very machines ... Oh, and one more tank we canned with a broken gun stabilizer .... So it is not surprising that they say that Russia breaks all the equipment and sends it to the mainland. They don’t want to acknowledge that they themselves this technique and destroyed
  29. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 10 2014 11: 40
    0
    No, of course, tanks, planes, ships could not be given away now. This is a big blunder. They can take advantage of this. Power is not legitimate. But after the election, another thing. angry
  30. ed65b
    ed65b April 10 2014 11: 45
    +2
    valued property something like this
    - Gritsko, how much do we owe Russia for gas?
    - 16 billion.
    - so, write Stepan, "the property is estimated at 11 billion"
    “In Gritsko, now we owe them trochs, didn’t they count the ammunition yet, Stepan?”
  31. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 April 10 2014 12: 14
    0
    Correctly! All the trash needs to be returned to the junta, even if it’s being rotten from them, besides, it is all of Soviet times, and therefore not even Ukrainian! lol
  32. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf April 10 2014 12: 16
    0
    And will we send ammunition under its own power or what?
    And then they say about the equipment - we’ll take it out, the Navy - it seems as if it will reach the sail as soon as the tailwind is there.
    But about 36, a thousand tons of ammunition are silent or decided to hive?
  33. Artem1967
    Artem1967 April 10 2014 12: 42
    0
    We do it right - obsolete weapons only draw resources for maintenance and have no prospects in a modern war. It was necessary to give along with the crews (of those who decided to continue serving in the army of Ukraine) so that there were no cries about unkeeping. Everyone stole before us!
  34. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 April 10 2014 12: 47
    +1
    The list of ships that are supposedly returned to Ukraine is called:
    Diesel-electric submarine "Zaporozhye", the decision on it has already been made. The boat has obviously not been able to solve any real combat missions for a long time and its long-term repairs, which cost millions of hryvnias, was done more "to spite all enemies" than out of the hope that the boat would be of real use.
    As it turned out from the motivation for returning, she practically cannot walk and dive on her own, so the only reason for her preservation was to build a museum ship from it welded to the pier in one of the Sevastopol bays or in the Balaclava adit.
    http://asaratov.livejournal.com/4470554.html

    missile boat in Ukrainian terminology "missile corvette" project 12411T ("Molniya") "Dnieper" former U155, former RCA R-54, handed over to the fleet in 1982, the main drawback of which is its outdated armament 4 anti-ship missiles P-15M. A similar RCA Black Sea Fleet of project 12417 R-71, is currently in a layup in Karantinnaya Bay, it is planned to place the missile boat at the shipyard at the end of 2013 for refurbishment and modernization.

    RCA of project 206 MP U153 “Priluki”, the former R-262, raised the Anderevsky flag yesterday, handed over to the fleet in 1979, and is armed with the same two obsolete P-15M anti-ship missiles, all of our ships of this project have long been put to needles, with the exception of 3 on CFL.

    Sea minesweepers "Cherkasy" and "Chernigov", project 266M "Aquamarine": former U310 "Chernigiv", delivered to the fleet in 1974, former U311 "Cherkasy", delivered to the fleet in 1976
    Control ship "Donbass" The floating workshop "PM-9" of project 304 was laid down on 17.07.1969/29.11.1969/30.09.1970 in Poland, in build 2001. In XNUMX, the floating workshop was reclassified as a command ship and renamed Donbass.
    Tankers "Fastov" ex-U760 - delivered to the fleet in 1981 (in vain!), "Bakhmach" ex-U759 - delivered to the fleet in 1972 and "Sudak" ex-U756, delivered to the fleet in 1957. The ship was badly damaged during the storm on 11.11.2007.
    VTR-torpedo carrier "Dzhankoy" ex-U754, delivered to the Navy in 1968
    SFP "Severodonetsk" ex-U812, handed over to the fleet in 1987 (the hull is too rotten)
    Garbage collector ex-U954 ex-U812, delivered to the fleet in 1987 year (also in vain!)
    BGK "Skvira" ex-U635, delivered to the fleet in 1976;
    Floating warehouse "Zolotonosha" ex-U855, commissioned to the Navy in 1986.
    Passenger boat "Illichivsk"
    http://forums.airbase.ru/2014/04/t82540,154--vms-ukrainy-6.917.html

    Probably, the IPC of project 1124P "Vinnitsa", the former U206, put into operation in 1976, was added to this list, on November 11, 2007 the ship got into a storm and received serious damage to the stem, from that moment it was awaiting repair and was in reserve at the base in Donuzlav.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 10 2014 12: 52
      0
      Quote: Novel 1977
      List of ships supposedly returned to Ukraine

      Roman, tell me, did I understand correctly: "Konstantin Olshansky" is not on the list?
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 April 10 2014 13: 10
        +1
        Among the amphibious assault ships, there is still talk about the Project 773 U401 Kirovohrad, a former SDK-137, which was commissioned to the Navy in 1971, but was repaired in 2012. In my opinion, in vain it would be useful to us for the transportation of personnel and military equipment in the Black Sea, and in the "Syrian Express", especially since he has experience of military campaigns in Mediterranean.
        In the fall of 1973, the ship as part of the Mediterranean squadron, having a Marine Corps unit on board, was in the zone of the armed conflict between Israel and Egypt (01-31 October 1973). In one of the Israeli air raids on October 16, the SDK-137 gunner, Petty Officer 1 Article P. Grinev, timely discovered the Israeli Phantom, which was entering a combat course to strike at the ship, opened fire to kill and shot it down. For this, the sailor was awarded the Order of the Red Star.

        http://flot.sevastopol.info/ship/desant/sdk137.htm


        The issue of transferring project 775 "Konstantin Olshansky" large landing craft, which has been blocked in Donuzlav so far, is not even considered, we need it to participate in the Syrian Express, as well as as a temporary replacement for the similar Russian large landing craft "Caesar Kunnikov", which is currently being repaired Varna, the date of transfer to the fleet is approximately July 2015. However, despite the fact that "Konstantin Olshansky" was repaired in Nikolaev in 2012, the engines on it were already completely "killed", so much so that it cannot move under its own power, ie. to put it into operation, at least engine repair is required.
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 April 10 2014 13: 17
          0
          Thank you! hi
          Quote: Novel 1977
          U401 Kirovograd, the former SDK-137, was commissioned to the fleet in 1971,

          And he will not fall apart?
          Quote: Novel 1977
          However, despite the fact that "Konstantin Olshansky" was repaired in Nikolaev in 2012, the engines on it were already completely "killed", so much so that it cannot move under its own power, ie. to put it into operation, at least engine repair is required.

          But this is annoying ... crying And the whole list of ukrskoy nedoflot this most valuable ....
          1. Roman 1977
            Roman 1977 April 10 2014 13: 45
            +1
            Quote: sergey72
            And he will not fall apart?

            No, the KFOR is in good technical condition, it was built by the Poles, especially since, as I wrote above, it was repaired in Nikolaev in 2012, but I still think that it will be returned, since ships of this type are no longer part of the Russian Navy, but counting on the supply of spare parts from Poland is unrealistic.
            Quote: sergey72
            But this is annoying ... And the whole list of ukrskoy nedoflot this very valuable ....

            Absolutely agree. Allegedly, they also plan to return the IPC of project 1241.2 (Lightning-2) U208 Khmelnitsky, which went into operation in 1985 and was renovated in 2011.
            At the Airbase they write that tomorrow a complex submission ship "Fastov" will be dragged to Odessa.

            In the near future, DUBNO and KRASNOPEREKOPSK will go (on their own). Khmelnytsky corvette and rotten killer SHOSTKA will be taken away. After the deblockade of Donuzlav - sdk will also be returned ... the river PRILUKI should have been written off by 2015, so that it will be returned ...
            BAHMACH, CHANDEL and JANKA are only suitable for nails. SEVERODONETSK, though needed. but in 20 years it’s never gone to sea and the building has long rotted, despite repairs in the Kamyshov SRZ

            http://forums.airbase.ru/2014/04/t82540,158--vms-ukrainy-6.2065.html

            But the most irreparable in my opinion will happen if Ukraine is returned to the IPC of project 1124M U209 Ternopil put into operation on February 15, 2006 and the IPC of project 1124-M U205 “Lutsk” put into operation on December 30, 1993.


            These ships are the newest ships of the 1124 project, and the whole Ukrainian Navy, "Ternopil", so in general, the ONLY warship built in "Nezalezhnaya", are in good technical condition, so "Ternopil" was going to the Red Sea to fight pirates , change "Getman Sagaidachny". Our MPK of this project as part of the Black Sea Fleet, which form the basis of its anti-submarine forces, the newest "Muromets" was delivered to the fleet in 1990, and the oldest "Alexandrovets" in 1982, all the more so that the Black Sea Fleet needs urgent reinforcement.
            1. sergey72
              sergey72 April 10 2014 14: 59
              0
              But the most irreparable in my opinion will happen if Ukraine is returned to the IPC of project 1124M U209 Ternopil put into operation on February 15, 2006 and the IPC of project 1124-M U205 “Lutsk” put into operation on December 30, 1993.


              These ships are the newest ships of the 1124 project, and the whole Ukrainian Navy, "Ternopil", so in general, the ONLY warship built in "Nezalezhnaya", are in good technical condition, so "Ternopil" was going to the Red Sea to fight pirates , change "Getman Sagaidachny". Our MPK of this project as part of the Black Sea Fleet, which form the basis of its anti-submarine forces, the newest "Muromets" was commissioned to the fleet in 1990, and the oldest "Aleksandrovets" in 1982, all the more so that the Black Sea Fleet needs urgent reinforcement. [/ Quote]And Ternopol pick up for the stolen SKR-112, Lutsk will go as interest and moral damage ... laughing
              1. avt
                avt April 10 2014 15: 15
                +1
                Quote: sergey72
                These ships are the newest ships of project 1124,

                Yes, these are going to give in vain. They don't give the sea tug to the hike? Yes, but what about those two on hydrofoils that are ready at 90% for the "Sea"? I hope they won't give them back? Kirovograd "is too small for the" Syrian Express ", and, as rightly noted, it will be a hassle - a museum piece on the move in a single copy. Although I could run along the coast.
  35. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 10 2014 12: 53
    +1
    Metal, of course, needs to be returned. Why is their submarine, we have two of our own and exactly the same metal. Although, if by weight, then we are clearly at a loss. UkrOps pushed "Varyag" into China, "Ulyanovsk" was put on pins and needles. Yes, it doesn't match in weight. One consolation is that my former fellow soldiers from 6 OBAP hijacked 6 SU-24s with the regiment's banner. I still envy. Unfortunately, I do not know about the further fate of the heroes. If you find it, then the password is restaurant Romashka.
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  37. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 April 10 2014 13: 18
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    Quote: maxbaxg61
    When I served on the 17th Detachment (Krivoy Rog) in my baht, all wheeled vehicles (fuel trucks, for transporting personnel, KShM, etc.) all of them were in very poor condition on the go there was only one Ural that drove us on guard, and so he drove spare parts removed from those very machines ... Oh, and one more tank we canned with a broken gun stabilizer .... So it is not surprising that they say that Russia breaks all the equipment and sends it to the mainland. They don’t want to acknowledge that they themselves this technique and destroyed

    - Probably this can be summarized. Everything else is just someone's sick imagination, drive or just banal provocation.
  38. Demon
    Demon April 10 2014 13: 25
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    Quote: Splin
    Quote: seller trucks
    All questions to complete the equipment for your thieves-ensigns

    I don’t want to argue anymore with the Russians, and with the super-propaganda of the Russian media, yesterday we discussed that Ukrainian landings in Donetsk and Lugansk would enter and all Ukrainians became sharply Bendera. The battery really has not been stored for more than 3 years, but there are also combat vehicles, and I generally keep quiet on the tanks. Of the 41st, previously one was not on the move, but all had sights (night and rangefinders), radio stations, surveillance devices, operating stabilizers. A train arrived near Odessa - in 2/3 of the cars this is not. Russia may not need this good, but the tank is not working yet.
    All. Good luck to all. It is a pity that you had a long fight with Ukraine.

    Dear Splin! As you say in Odessa, "go throw your head into the manure!" If the Ukrainian army is a herd ready to crush peaceful people (and not very peaceful, let's be honest) with tanks and armored personnel carriers (remaining on the move), then no television is needed to understand this. And the propaganda has nothing to do with it, leave it! I sincerely hope that within a month all "independent" troops will be destroyed exclusively through non-combat losses.
    1. RusKaz
      RusKaz April 10 2014 13: 36
      +1
      Quote: Demon
      If the Ukrainian army is a herd, prepared by tanks and armored personnel carriers (remaining on the move) of peaceful people (and not so peaceful, let's be honest)

      What makes you think that the Ukrainian army is ready to push civilians with tanks and armored personnel carriers?
  39. Sochi
    Sochi April 10 2014 13: 30
    +1
    Anything unnecessary to be scrapped - we will collect scrap metal on an egg rack ...
  40. Roman1970
    Roman1970 April 10 2014 13: 42
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    There would be a technique, they would hardly give it ... And so ... Morally obsolete nafig is not needed! We do not reach our own disposed of our own! And then there's Ukrainian messing around!
  41. starhina01
    starhina01 April 10 2014 14: 31
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    well, they’ve taken everything out and forgot about the Crimean museums, instead of replenishing exhibits, some copies must be left, so for posterity lol
  42. sergkar
    sergkar April 10 2014 14: 38
    +1
    Quote: Splin
    nobody then thought that because of the ambitions of one person who had not forgiven the Maidan to Ukraine, two people could be ruined ...

    What does it have to do with it? Maidan was not the first and I think it will not be the last. But the whole policy of the Ukrainian government in relation to Russia for 23 years! Wow! This is another "mapet show". You just remember everything, analyze, only with an open mind. How many have endured the antics of your princelings and twitching, then yours, then ours. They made concessions despite their obvious disregard for Russia's interests.
    And when, obvious US puppets came to power and there was a threat of the deployment of the US fleet in Crimea, then I'm sorry! This is the security of the country! For that fought for it and ran!
    And about how much the Ukrainian SSR has invested in the development of Crimea. Not Ukraine invested, but the USSR. I think you are able to distinguish between these two concepts! In exactly the same way, the entire industrial power of present-day Ukraine was created by the USSR and by 75% at the expense of the RSFSR (again a question: Who fed whom?). That is, as always they didn’t eat up, they refused themselves that they would develop the industrial power of the country (common country), and now you claim that this is all the merit of the Ukrainian people.
    So let's look at things realistically, and not in the way that suits you best!
  43. propolsky
    propolsky April 10 2014 14: 52
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    Well, the political idea is clear - we are all honest, we do not need someone else. But from an economic point of view - why do we need to transfer trash, even if we ourselves took it away, as if no one would engage in nonsense.
  44. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 10 2014 15: 46
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    "and everything that was there at that moment is now yours, right?"

    YES !!!
    Especially property
    Firtash, Taruta, Poroshenko, Kolmoysky, Akhmet
    ova, Pinchuk ... in the Crimea there. Why so nervous?
    1. RusKaz
      RusKaz April 10 2014 15: 54
      +1
      Quote: Barracuda
      "and everything that was there at that moment is now yours, right?"

      YES !!!

      yourself from the Crimea?
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  45. Leshka
    Leshka April 10 2014 16: 01
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    I would have left the ships and handed over to Abkhazia
  46. pahom54
    pahom54 April 10 2014 16: 57
    +1
    I do not quite agree with General Kashin that almost all equipment is outdated or completely unsuitable. No matter how unpleasant, but with the help of border equipment (Buk air defense systems) 080808 our aircraft were shot down. And the control ship of Ternopil with a small missile ship would not give a roll to the outskirts. Well, that ONE plane, which after appropriate technical training flies away, let it fly ...
    And let the equipment be taken away, the main thing is that they will have extra problems with disposal or repair. But we don’t need it ...
  47. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 10 2014 17: 19
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    Give scrap, good boats leave-useful. Why do they banderlog, anyway soon they will remain without the sea! If Russia pease .... do not stop.
  48. alex007983
    alex007983 April 10 2014 17: 56
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    Maydanutim give all not working scrap metal, but what can still be used to leave on the ground. There is nothing to give to these scumbags, they will then turn it all over to the people.
  49. Dezinto
    Dezinto April 10 2014 18: 31
    +1
    I know, I know what great Ukrainians will say about this now. They will look at the junk that they will be returned to, which they have not been concerned with for twenty years, because they generally disdained Crimea! They will look and say - they’ll damn them ... if there’s any kind of rusty technique we are returning to us! laughing Greatly Ukrainians are bastard now with hatred.! !
  50. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. April 10 2014 19: 01
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    More like an economic diversion from ours. Like a suitcase without a handle. Dispose of and that means are needed at least for a start.