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Allied agenda: what conclusions were drawn from the "Ukrainian crisis" in Kazakhstan

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The Ukrainian crisis has become a kind of test of the future Eurasian Union for strength. And not only himself, but also the events that he pulled along. For example, the UN vote.


However, it is much more important what conclusions the allies of Russia have drawn from the Ukrainian crisis. Because to consider Euromaidan exclusively as a change of power is fundamentally wrong. If you do not understand the underlying processes that led to the destruction of the state during the conflict of oligarchic groups, you can miss the similar challenges in their republics.

The first to draw conclusions was Alexander Lukashenko, who explained that the corruption component of Euromaidan was key in provoking rebellious sentiments among citizens. In parallel with domestic political conclusions, Belarus was strengthened aviation grouping.

Following Minsk, it was the turn to draw conclusions to the allies from Astana.

The national question and the Russian language

“Some zealous officials are beginning to say that when applying for a job, knowledge of the language is necessary, say, some or something else, you need to bring such to life. The prosecutor's office should work on this, ”said Nursultan Nazarbayev, President of Kazakhstan, explaining the essence of national politics to the power verticals.

The Ukrainian crisis has clearly shown that one of the painful points is the problem of coexistence of ethnic groups within the framework of one national jurisdiction. The problem is rather artificial, but there will always be a temptation to shake the internal political situation using ethnic contradictions. And the language policy is a marker of the interethnic world. The Russian language has always been a stumbling block, fertile ground for any aggravation of the national question.

However, the point is not in the Russian language as such. Just any national language and culture will always be in the area of ​​influence of Russian culture as one of the world cultures.

Trying to oppose national and world language and culture is not just a mistake, but a path to collapse. Because any regional national culture can develop only if it is integrated with one of the world cultures.

In practice, this means that even a ban on the Russian language and the creation of a cultural ghetto will not give the national culture a positive dynamic. The example of Moldova, the Baltic states or Georgia shows that the only result of the aggravation of national and language policies are civil conflicts.

In the context of Kazakhstan, which is trapped between two world cultures, Russian and Chinese, the question of national culture is not only a question of peace and tranquility, but also a strategic choice.

Defense and security issues

The second conclusion from the “Ukrainian crisis” was a large-scale personnel reshuffle in all branches of the vertical of power - from the Cabinet to the Mazhilis (the lower house of parliament).

National political analysts argue about the effectiveness of personnel shifts and of each specific person. However, as it is known, there are no irreplaceable people and the logic of Nazarbayev’s management decisions is more correctly analyzed not at the level of personalities, but at the level of state functions. In this approach, it becomes clear what the main challenges for Kazakhstan are Elbasy.

Much has been done, but in our, allied case, the following personnel decisions by Nazarbayev are the most important:

- Secretary of State Adilbek Dzhaksybekov occupied the post of State Secretary;

- Prime Minister Serik Akhmetov took the post of Minister of Defense.

In the power structure of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the State Secretary is a key figure who “develops proposals for the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan on the main areas of domestic and foreign policy”, as well as “on behalf of the Head of State represents his interests”.

Thus, the state secretary is a key figure in shaping public policy. And the fact that a person who was engaged in the republic’s defense capability and military integration with Russia was moved to this position speaks volumes. Especially in the context of the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan and the highly probable slide of the region into chaos.

Moving the prime minister to the post of minister of defense may mean that a person will appear at the head of the security agency who understands how to use the entire national economy in the interests of military security. If we consider that Akhmetov has served as prime minister since 2012, that is, since the beginning of intensive integration with Russia, the logic of Nazarbayev is more than understandable. The Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan cannot be just a military man or just an administrator. Issues of military security of Kazakhstan can not be solved without the help of Russia. Consequently, the Minister of Defense becomes primarily a minister of military-technical integration with Russia. Because the security of the southern border of Kazakhstan and the Caspian Sea is in principle impossible to ensure only by the forces of Kazakhstan. The more intense the military integration of Kazakhstan and Russia, the greater the chances of successfully solving these tasks.

In favor of the fact that Nazarbayev considers the main priorities of the state security issues are two key decisions:

- prohibition of the use of traumatic weapons civilian population;

- Tough criminal responsibility for defamation.

So, the allies in the future of the Eurasian Union quite correctly understand the current situation and, simultaneously with Russia, put security and defense issues at the center of the political agenda.
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  1. Keeper
    Keeper April 10 2014 12: 10
    +28
    I think that conclusions were drawn not only in the CIS, but also in Russia!
    And I think that people will finally begin to appreciate the fact that they live together in peacetime!
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 April 10 2014 12: 20
      +15
      FIFTH COLUMN GETT!
      It's time to tighten the screws for liberalism and shit democracy. If a journalist writes, then let him cite the facts. If the manager is in charge, then everything should be transparent. If the administration rules, then the last cook should know the results of the board.
      1. sazhka4
        sazhka4 April 10 2014 13: 20
        +2
        Quote: Sma11
        FIFTH COLUMN GETT!

        Is it about Russia? After all, everything "written" refers to Us in the first place ..
        1. Sma11
          Sma11 April 10 2014 14: 11
          +2
          Is this about Russia?

          About her darling. The Internet is a great thing, like an information weapon. If you own information, you own the whole world. Therefore, the state needs to work in this direction, work and work.
          1. Bobxnumx
            Bobxnumx April 10 2014 15: 41
            +2
            That's right, in all self-respecting countries, control or censorship, as you like, is at the proper level. In Russia, a failure.
      2. Canep
        Canep April 10 2014 14: 11
        +7
        Quote: Sma11
        It's time to tighten the screws for liberalism and shit democracy.

        In Kazakhstan, they have long been twisted and still closed, but it did not start with color revolutions, in the late 90s export of Wahhabism and extremism to the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan was established, then they tightened the nut in the media, and after the orange plague the nuts were also closed. We have all of these under control. But this does not mean that everyone shut their mouths, on social issues write whatever you want, the reaction of the authorities in most cases is normal. In general, now I think a balance has been reached between the interests of the Russian-speaking and the indigenous population. God forbid breaking it, the people are afraid not that the NAS will leave, but that this fragile balance will be upset by the new president.
        1. Guard
          Guard April 10 2014 21: 00
          +7
          Quote: Canep
          In Kazakhstan, they have long been twisted and still closed, but it did not start with color revolutions, in the late 90s export of Wahhabism and extremism to the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan was established, then they tightened the nut in the media, and after the orange plague the nuts were also closed. We have all of these under control. But this does not mean that everyone shut their mouths, on social issues write whatever you want, the reaction of the authorities in most cases is normal.

          Everything is correct. Long ago, Nazarbayev gathered all the media at one of the "journalistic congresses" and clearly explained that "freedom of speech" and "the pursuit of fried facts" are not the same thing. That the media have great power and have a responsibility to be socially responsible for what they voice. The media got it. As a result, journalism in Kazakhstan is a bit boring, but more or less adequate. In Russia, since Yeltsin's time, journalism has fallen into a rabid form of pseudo-liberalism and the pursuit of "scandals, intrigues, investigations."
          The Kazakhstani media, despite the pluralism of opinions, still keep the main message to Kazakhstanis the same: "tolerance, patriotism, faith in the future, faith in oneself, integration with the closest neighbors." The state gives money to most of the media - Kazakh-speaking, Russian-speaking, German-Korean-Ukrainian-speaking, and even opposition. For many media outlets, this is already a sufficient reason to refrain from the "diarrhea of ​​freedom of speech." At the same time, sharp articles against the government, officials - above the roof.
          In general, the president has built a system of relations "power-media-people" absolutely correctly. If you allow the media to talk nonsense, then people can easily be confused, and as a result, the country will be where the hell is.
          If in the USSR by 1941 there were media like the current Russian ones, then we would have lost the war by the beginning of 1942. Just imagine the headlines of liberal Soviet newspapers: "Tin: photographs of columns of Soviet prisoners of war! Look to everyone!", "We are doomed, the war is lost", "Why is social-nationalism better than ordinary socialism", "Your soldiers are a bunch of lousy cowards" - an interview with Guderian "," The pros and cons of life under occupation - material from Odessa "," Should Stalin flee to the Far East? "," Learning German. 25 effective lessons "," The genius of German weapons. Biography of Hugo Schmeisser "," The reasons for the inevitable collapse of the Soviet system "," The Germans near Moscow - the natural ending of the Soviet Union ", etc. How long would we have held out with such media?
    2. kush62
      kush62 April 10 2014 12: 54
      +3
      Keeper: I think that the conclusions were made not only in the CIS, but also in Russia!


      I already wrote. Even our Krasnoyarsk TV channel TVK, kissing the bulk of the bulk and singing the praises of evil spirits, suddenly changed its tone. TV reports "Our Crimea" have already been released
      Either they understood, or they are waiting for better times. Or maybe the subsidy is temporarily over.
      1. avg
        avg April 10 2014 14: 15
        0
        Quote: kush62
        I already wrote. Even our Krasnoyarsk TV channel, kissing the bulk and singing praises of evil spirits, suddenly abruptly changed tonality.

        Bah, yaki stsuki! And I thought that creakles are only in Moscow, closer to the embassies. And they have already penetrated beyond the support edge of the state. You must be uprooted immediately!
  2. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time April 10 2014 12: 10
    +12
    Voice of Donetsk (STEPS !!!!!) Unite !!!
    Today in 12: 04
    OPERATIONAL INFORMATION FROM OGA. STORM IS PREPARED FOR 12 HOURS !!! (INFORMATION FROM RADIO ETHER). ALL ON OGA !!! NEED A LIVING SHIELD !!! CROSSING ALL !!!
    Russian Online | Anti-Maidan
    !!! DO NOT LIKE !!! MAKE AT LEAST 1 CROSS !!!! ANXIETY! DONETSK.
    Negotiations at the police department have just ended. Gave 2 hours to pass
    weapons, otherwise there will be an assault !!! EVERYTHING ON ODE! (transmitted by radio Donetsk
    Donbass) Sound the alarm, ring the bells, call the TV! Request repost !!!
    MAKE A CROSS !!!! URGENT !!! DO NOT LIKE !!! MAKE AT LEAST 1
    CROSS !!!! ANXIETY! DONETSK. Negotiations at the police department have just ended.
    They gave 2 hours to surrender weapons, otherwise there will be an assault !!! EVERYTHING ON ODE!
    (Donbass donated by radio) Don’t sound the alarm, ring the bells,
    call tv! Request repost !!! MAKE A CROSS
  3. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov April 10 2014 12: 11
    +4
    Ukraine will force anyone to move, from adequate politicians. And all non-governmental organizations have dark days
  4. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan April 10 2014 12: 15
    +3
    Nazarbayev is talking about events. If Putin showed slack, Kazakhstan would go over to the opposite side. IMHO.
    But Russia has shown that it is currently represented by Putin’s government and the president of the Russian Federation himself. So the reaction of Astana is quite predictable.
    PS I’m not even surprised that in a short time Kazakhstan will soften the terms of Baikonur’s lease. Significantly soften.
    1. Keeper
      Keeper April 10 2014 12: 19
      +6
      Kazakhstan simply realizes that the new spaceport in Russia is just around the corner, and therefore it is furious.
      But Putin is gaining points anyway!
      The main thing is that the glasses are in size!)))
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder April 10 2014 12: 35
      +14
      Quote: Mijgan
      PS I’m not even surprised that in a short time Kazakhstan will soften the terms of Baikonur’s lease. Significantly soften.


      It will not soften it at all, unless it is a launch for the common cause of state security, understand the guys are Kazakhs not cowards, who cares, who threatens, we will die but will not give up, so I personally will surrender my positions only before morality or justice, for example, not to kill infant infant or pregnant enemy, or if the war is unfair. Frightened and losing ground is not about the Kazakh.

      I support the annexation of Crimea morally only because this territory has always been Russian, and people unanimously chose the Russian Federation. But if instead of Brnat’s support of the northern neighbor, rudeness goes, they say give us your territories, I will come forward to defend at least tomorrow, sign up as a volunteer, because I am a patriot.

      everyone knows that in Kazakhstan, many nationalities live like in the Russian Federation, everyone lives peacefully, no one oppresses anyone, Kazakh is Russian and Russian is the common language of interethnic conversation, and if the state punishes provocateurs, I only support, and I hope there will not be provocateurs in Russia slandering towards an ally of Kazakhstan.
      1. Grbear
        Grbear April 10 2014 13: 02
        +6
        Max_Bauder
        But if instead of Brnat’s support of the northern neighbor, rudeness goes, they say give us your territories, I will come forward to defend at least tomorrow, sign up as a volunteer, because I am a patriot.


        Sir, having gained independence, many forgot about brotherly feelings and transferred everything for money... "Nothing personal just business". And Putin's pragmatic policy arouses nothing in the "brothers" except irritation and hidden grievances. This is the first thing.
        Secondly. Calmly think for yourself whether we need your territories. Crimea does not count - it is paramount and fair. We have not mastered our own, though ... But we won't let ourselves be milked No. . So think what .
        1. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder April 10 2014 13: 12
          +10
          Quote: GrBear
          Secondly. Calmly think for yourself whether we need your territories. Crimea does not count - it is paramount and fair. We have not mastered our own, though ... But we won't let ourselves be milked. Think about it.


          If you do not need our territories, then we need yours.

          I know that our and your territories are needed and oh, how much I need China, and our resources are needed (oil, gas, metal and the entire periodic table). and I hope both yours and our guys understand now who is our potential enemy and who is our ally.
          1. Name
            Name April 10 2014 15: 03
            0
            Quote: Max_Bauder
            and yours and our guys now understand who is our potential enemy and who is our ally.

            The most important thing is that your "guys" would understand or understand it ... that's how it goes. hi
          2. Canep
            Canep April 10 2014 15: 19
            +3
            Soon both yours and our territories will become OUR GENERAL territories. What are you cursing, an agreement on the EAC will be signed in May.
          3. Alex Danilov
            Alex Danilov April 10 2014 16: 27
            +2
            And here, a quiet and inconspicuous, western-made split went. We were first disconnected, and then with the help of ourselves we want to kill ourselves. So that we ourselves will be killed. Scenario of the Indians. Yes, the hell would the Western colonists slaughter the Indians, if the Indians were united and did not fight each other, if the Indians didn’t have strife. The hell would the colonists cut the whole continent. And now we were made Indians. Ugh!
            IMHO. My point of view: Russia, only it can gather us and unite us into one strong country, Russia, because only it is powerful and strong. Maybe, IT IS ALREADY TIME ?????
            1. Max_Bauder
              Max_Bauder April 10 2014 16: 50
              +2
              Yes, I don’t mind, but the article is like a conversation between us in the trench against the Americans, the Kazakh and the Russian soldier: listen, do you remember I took grandmother when I would give it back? or do you remember I hit me somehow and I didn’t take revenge on you? and the mahach begins. Personally, according to tradition, I forget the old grievances if the enemy appears from the outside, to stand shoulder to shoulder, and protect such a large territory of ours, if the Kazakhs would like to divide, by the time of Peter’s arrival there would be hundreds of places where every buy is a master.
        2. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq April 10 2014 14: 43
          +10
          Quote: GrBear
          But we won't let ourselves be milked

          Well, what do you argue like bandarlogs, they also fed the whole union, they fed everything .... For now, jump, well, let them jump hearted ...
          By the way, in the Second World War of six bullets, five of Kazakhstan’s lead were made, about copper, steel, coal, etc., they also worked out from the heart, people worked in the common treasury of the victory ..
          Kazakhs have a proverb:
          "A good neighbor is half the happiness" is very wise, isn't it?
          1. Turkir
            Turkir April 10 2014 15: 42
            +3
            There is another: A good neighbor is closer than a distant relative. wink
        3. postman
          postman April 10 2014 15: 53
          +4
          Quote: GrBear
          And Putin's pragmatic policy arouses nothing in the "brothers" except irritation and hidden grievances.

          And where did you get the idea that Russia is "patronizing" in relation to Kazakhstan and that Kazakhstan is "pulling" three skins from the Russian Federation?
          Volumes of trade with the CIS countries in January-December 2013 (million US dollars)


          The Russian Federation must take money from Kazakhstan for the use of turbo, railway, ports, the supply of equipment ... but Kazakhstan does not have Russia (I must remember
          Quote: GrBear
          brotherly feelings
          ?)
        4. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder April 10 2014 16: 55
          +3
          Quote: GrBear
          many have forgotten about fraternal feelings and transferred everything to money. "Nothing personal just business".


          as in Russia, my friend (Khodorkovsky, Serdyukov, etc.), I personally am for such a business that does not go beyond national security, such as eat up but don’t give in to the country, all of us and yours who fled and threw people and those who gave them let God escape them all, for plundering the country and outright betrayal.
        5. Astana_KZ
          Astana_KZ April 11 2014 07: 16
          +5
          I wonder what then meant the head of the council of Khakassia
          http://news.mail.ru/inworld/kazakhstan/politics/17784873/?frommail=1
          1. kosta_cs
            kosta_cs April 11 2014 07: 37
            +5
            On this occasion, the Russian ambassador has already been called to our Foreign Ministry for explanations.
            https://total.kz/politics/2014/04/10/mid_rk_rezko_osudil_antikazahski
      2. serzhserzh86
        serzhserzh86 April 10 2014 13: 08
        +9
        the territory of Kazakhstan, in my opinion, is useless to Russia ... allies after all.
        provocateurs should be punished. understanding among the people should be that in unity is power.
      3. RUSS
        RUSS April 10 2014 13: 11
        -9
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        understand, the guys are not Kazakhs cowards, we ss ... who threatens, we will die but not surrender,

        Naturally, so every nation will say about itself, but what will others say about it?
        1. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq April 10 2014 14: 47
          +6
          Quote: RUSS
          Naturally, so every nation will say about itself, but what will others say about it?

          28 Panfilov’s say ....
        2. postman
          postman April 10 2014 16: 10
          +9
          Quote: RUSS
          but what will others say about him?

          1.KIM (Korean)
          Salam Kazak bauyrlary!

          I am Korean, born in Uzbekistan, Bukhara. But for 8 years I have been living in Kazakhstan! :)

          In Uzbekistan, the Koreans did not take us for their own. In the crowd they were immediately distinguished from the Uzbeks, sometimes hooligans narrow-eyed ((((I won’t say that there was strong nationalism, but we did not feel at home there. When my older brother graduated from high school and he had to go to college, they decided to move to Astana. There were many relatives and acquaintances. I immediately liked Kazakhstan. A multinational tolerant country, kind and friendly people, a high level of culture and education, a prosperous life ..
          2. Sultan Birzhanovich Baimagambetov. His name is entered in gold letters in the lists of valiant defenders of Leningrad.
          3.Aliya Moldagulova was the first woman - a Kazakh woman, who received the title Hero of the Soviet Union, posthumously.
          4.Manshuk Mametova (She was twenty-one). She was left alone with everything, the enemies were advancing, but, having been equipped with three machine guns, for three hours Manshuk restrained the fierce attacks of the enemy. The machine gun overturned by a blast wave, Manshuk's face flooded. She died, but the inhabitants of the city of Nevel, for which Manshuk gave her life, they sacredly honor the memory of a young Kazakh heroine.
          5.About the Eighth Guards Rifle Division (combined Kazakhs and Kyrgyz) - NADO?

          and this is only WWII
          about Chokan Valikhanov tell?
          G. H. Gasfort: "... in the service for no more than two years, accompanying me to the steppe, I brought great benefit ... I find it necessary to encourage Valikhanov ... award, the more he enjoys special respect between the Kyrgyz”.
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      4. postman
        postman April 10 2014 14: 45
        +1
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        But if instead of Brnat’s support of the northern neighbor rudeness goes, they say give us your territories, I’ll come forward to defend at least tomorrow, sign up as a volunteer, because I’m a patriot

        Do not pay attention, bloggers smash nonsense, not even realizing it.
        Now there are many such empty chimes that know history, geography only on the Internet (on foam from the Internet)

        Quote: Max_Bauder
        There will be no provocateurs in the Russian Federation slandering towards the ally of Kazakhstan.

        It will not be, it’s nonsense, lest we argue, swear, it’s all temporary, and the point of contact (consent) can always be found
    3. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq April 10 2014 12: 44
      +19
      Quote: Mijgan
      Nazarbayev is talking about events. If Putin showed slack, Kazakhstan would go over to the opposite side. IMHO.

      Your opinion is erroneous .. Nazarbayev advocated integration with Russia even during the EBN era, only then there was little sense from this. By the way, in Kazakhstan, they abandoned Soviet (wooden) rubles only when they began to prepare "new" rubles in Russia and all the "wooden" ones were taken from all republics to Kazakhstan. And a very tough policy is being pursued in the national question. I live in the Republic of Kazakhstan and I know that it is enough to come to the prosecutor's office and say that someone is inciting ethnic hatred, and this person will have very big problems ...
      1. Lindon
        Lindon April 10 2014 14: 25
        +5
        Quote: ziqzaq
        in Kazakhstan refused Soviet (wooden) rubles only when they began to prepare in Russia


        So it was.
        In July of the 1993 of the year, Russian rubles appeared; the tenge was born on October 19 of October 1993 of the year.
        Russia Day with 12 June 1991, in Kazakhstan with 16 December 1991.
        1. Canep
          Canep April 10 2014 15: 11
          +2
          Quote: Lindon
          In July 1993, Russian rubles appeared

          On August 1, as I remember now, at the training camp on the parade ground, the colonels announced this "good news"
    4. postman
      postman April 10 2014 14: 42
      +7
      Quote: Mijgan
      Kazakhstan would go over to the opposite side. IMHO.

      What nonsense. WHOSE SIDE?
      I recall:
      1. If it were not for the events of 1986-87 (the dispersal of a peaceful demonstration on December 17 and 18) and not an attempt to put the first secretary of the Ulyanovsk regional party committee G. Kolbin at the head of the KSSR.
      When dispersing the demonstration, the troops used sapper shovels, service dogs, people were doused with water in the cold, beaten up by detainees, many half-dressed and taken out of the city, several hundred people were placed in pre-trial detention centers without the sanction of the prosecutor. The authorities deliberately fomented ethnic hatred, armed with iron rods and cable scraps, squads composed of Russian-speaking workers of industrial enterprises and setting them against Kazakh demonstrators.
      WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN: "Adilet", "Memorial", "Next-Stop", "Nevada - Semipalatinsk", "Kazak Tip", "Azat", "Zheltoksan" and "Alash", and so on.
      OR THEY WOULD NOT GET SUCH AN INFLUENCE. THERE WOULD NOT BE BUCHY.
      2. The declaration of state sovereignty of the RSFSR was adopted by the Congress of People's Deputies 12 June 1990 year
      25 1990 October, the The Declaration on State Sovereignty of Kazakhstan was adopted
      On December 8, 1991, the presidents of Russia, Ukraine and the Chairman of the Supreme Council of Belarus signed the Bialowieza Agreement
      (WHY WITHOUT KAZAKHSTAN?)
      On December 12, 1991, the Supreme Council of the RSFSR ratified the Bialowieza Agreement (without convening a Congress of People's Deputies of Russia)
      and so on
      December 16 1991 The Law on State Independence of Kazakhstan was adopted.
      So who is pushing whom and where?
      Quote: Mijgan
      that Kazakhstan in a short time will soften the terms of the lease of Baikonur

      and so a penny
      the cost of renting the Baikonur complex is $ 115 million

      Quote: Mijgan
      Significantly soften.

      I advise you to visit ALL sites and in the area from the station. Turatam to the city of Kazalinsk and the village of Dzhusaly: 6717 sq. Km = $ 17 / sq. Km = $ 120 FOR A CELL (17,12 sq.m)
      1. Canep
        Canep April 10 2014 15: 14
        +6
        For good, Kazakhstan was to become the legal successor of the USSR. because left the last of the USSR.
        1. Turkir
          Turkir April 10 2014 15: 44
          0
          The receiver, well, was amused. Successor.
          1. Canep
            Canep April 10 2014 17: 36
            +1
            The union had debts that Kazakhstan would not have pulled, and control over nuclear weapons remained in Moscow, so no one argued about continuity.
        2. postman
          postman April 10 2014 15: 54
          +3
          Quote: Canep
          because left the last of the USSR.

          YES!
          and if oslism (or betrayal) EBN and Co. maybe EVERYTHING WOULD BE OTHERWISE.
  5. Sergg
    Sergg April 10 2014 12: 17
    +10
    Kazakhstan has no other way than integration with the Russian Federation. The most important thing is to harshly suppress fascist nationalism. We have all seen on the example of Ukraine how uncontrolled nationalism destroys the state. We must learn to live together, only in this way, complementing each other we can survive in this complex world.
  6. mabuta
    mabuta April 10 2014 12: 17
    +25
    In unity is our strength.
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin April 10 2014 12: 38
      +6
      In unity is our strength.


      Butsk in the picture is the most satisfied!
    2. andron1983
      andron1983 April 10 2014 12: 46
      -7
      Thieving officials of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus - unite!
      1. Igor 3456
        Igor 3456 April 10 2014 12: 52
        +4
        just a stupid person
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 10 2014 14: 07
        +4
        Quote: andron1983
        Thieving officials of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus - unite!

        Some kind of plague - pops up, croaks and back into the mud. Maybe Mannerheim forgot it when he liberated the territory of Vyborg? So the body sits in a bunker chained to a machine gun, and tourists provided it to visitors when the smartphone was lost. laughing
    3. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov April 10 2014 15: 45
      0
      It's time for all of us to enter Russia! Guys, I’m talking.
  7. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 10 2014 12: 18
    -6
    We have here on word of mouth that in order to prevent the "Crimean scenario", they plan to resettle some of the Kazakhs from the south to the north, to the regions bordering on Russia. Moreover, the scale of resettlement is quite impressive - from 30 thousand to 300.
    1. Mizhgan
      Mizhgan April 10 2014 12: 23
      +4
      Something I have not heard about such a scenario ...))) But if there is a given scenario, the relocation will not help. Take it all at once. Joke.))))
      If there is no anti-Russian pronounced movement, if Kazakhstan is in the customs union, there is nothing to fear.
      1. Dmitry Toderes
        Dmitry Toderes April 10 2014 15: 06
        -2
        Maybe so. But do not forget that no one could even imagine that Ukraine would become anti-Russian (Well, at least half of Ukraine). So, who knows what will happen to Kazakhstan. In the 90s, Kazakhs were the only way to persecute Russians.
    2. their
      their April 10 2014 12: 33
      -17%
      They want to legitimize the occupation, to insure themselves ...
      1. their
        their April 10 2014 12: 52
        -5
        Cons for what, can explain. Want to say Ust-Kamenogorsk, Petropavlovsk, Uralsk, Aktyubinsk, Verny, Guryev, Shevchenko, Perovsk, Pavlodar, Tselinograd, Ridder, and many others are not occupied and not renamed?

        Sorry, but what should I call it then? You did not build them and did not create them.
        1. foxxi
          foxxi April 10 2014 13: 39
          +8
          I have no words...
          1. their
            their April 10 2014 13: 41
            -6
            What's wrong, really don't like it?
            1. Walking
              Walking April 10 2014 14: 45
              +11
              Quote: sus
              Cons for what, can explain. Want to say Ust-Kamenogorsk, Petropavlovsk, Uralsk, Aktyubinsk, Verny, Guryev, Shevchenko, Perovsk, Pavlodar, Tselinograd, Ridder, and many others are not occupied and not renamed?

              Sorry, but what should I call it then? You did not build them and did not create them.


              And here is the provocateur. By your statements you provoke the people, and this is inciting ethnic hatred, something that we in Kazakhstan really want to avoid, for all of us, regardless of nationality and faith. No need to fan this fire. And where do you see renaming, occupation?
              1. their
                their April 10 2014 14: 53
                -4
                Renaming historical names of cities and streets without the permission of the population is illegal. And also the deliberate deportation of the indigenous population to others - the occupation.
                I am not a provocateur, I am for an alliance with Kazakhstan.
            2. sv68
              sv68 April 10 2014 16: 40
              +4
              sus list more of what and where you occupied. Kazakhstan, in my opinion, didn’t conquer anything from Russia. You’re carrying crap
        2. Canep
          Canep April 10 2014 14: 42
          +7
          Quote: sus
          Cons for what, can explain. Want to say Ust-Kamenogorsk, Petropavlovsk, Uralsk, Aktyubinsk, Verny, Guryev, Shevchenko, Perovsk, Pavlodar, Tselinograd, Ridder, and many others are not occupied and not renamed?

          Ust-Kaminogorsk - not renamed
          Petropavlovsk - not renamed.
          Uralsk - not renamed.
          Aktyubinsk - renamed in Aktobe (essentially sewed on soap).
          Faithful - Renamed in union back in 1921
          Guryev - renamed Atyrau. Founded by the merchant Guriy Nazarov.
          Shevchenko - renamed in Aktau. Shevchenko has a Ukrainian name.
          Perovsk - renamed during the union in 1925 in Kyzyl-Orda.
          Pavlodar - let them try to rename, there were attempts, but all failed.
          Tselinograd - another story: Akmolinsk-Tselinograd-Akmola-Astana. for a hundred years, there are people who were born in one city, educated in another, who retired in the third, and buried in the fourth, this porridge was brewed during the union.
          Ridder - not renamed.
          You forgot to indicate Semipalatinsk - it was renamed Semey by Nazarbayev’s personal decision so that the city was not associated with the landfill, it was difficult to convince investors that the level of radiation in the city did not exceed the norm.

          No one brought troops into the cities at the expense of the occupation, did not create occupation authorities in these cities, etc. those who lived in them, they live for the most part.

          I do not think that you, living in Germany, have the correct idea of ​​what is happening in Kazakhstan.
          1. their
            their April 10 2014 15: 12
            +2
            Ust-Kamenogorsk - Oskemen, many streets were renamed, my native Proletarskaya street was KABANBAY - BATYRA *** *** FROM WHICH OAK WHO IS IT?
            Petropavlovsk - already twice wanted to rename Kyzyl-Zhar. Historical streets renamed most
            Uralsk is not renamed, but many streets are erased.
            Aktyubinsk - Aktobe and streets.
            True - illegally renamed many times for high-quality cleaning of the Russian trace.
            Pavlodar - they want to rename, have already tried.

            And so on, everywhere there is a sweeping of the Russian spirit and presence, slowly quietly cooperating with Russia.

            I am not from Germany, but from the Russian Federation.
            1. marshes
              marshes April 10 2014 15: 21
              +8
              Quote: sus
              True - illegally renamed many times for high-quality cleaning of the Russian trace.

              July 24, 1853.

              Almaty
              G. Corps Commander

              With my report of July 18, No. 140, I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of crossing the river. Or…

              ... The woodland of the gorges, from where Issyk flows, made me immediately begin to survey them. Upon inspection, I moved to Talgar and, having examined its peaks, I am currently inspecting Almaty. Further, the Almaty forest in the mountains is gladdening and becoming more accessible. The choice to occupy the point should fall on Issyk or Talgar.

              - Centre. Gos. Archive of the Republic of Kazakhstan, f.3, op.1, case 7

              8 August, 1853

              Kargaly

              G. Corps Commander

              I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of my intentions to survey the peaks of Almaty. Having examined the first and second Almaty and the valley between them with engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky, we found the convenience of logging, a large number of beautiful arable land rugged by irrigation ditches, pastures and hayfields, far exceeding the tracts in Issyk and Talgar, which is why Almaty was offered the place of the future settlements, moreover, through occupation of this point, all the best nomads and arable lands of Dulat will be at our fingertips. Unfortunately I can’t take this p ...

              (the end of the first sheet of the report is badly damaged and destroyed)

              - Centre. Gos. Archive of the Republic of Kazakhstan, f.3, op.1, case 7
            2. Walking
              Walking April 10 2014 16: 06
              +5
              Quote: sus
              Ust-Kamenogorsk - Oskemen, many streets were renamed, my native Proletarskaya street was KABANBAY - BATYRA *** *** FROM WHICH OAK WHO IS IT?
              And so on, everywhere there is a sweeping of the Russian spirit and presence, slowly quietly cooperating with Russia.

              I am not from Germany, but from the Russian Federation.


              In Almaty, the streets were also renamed, so Lenin Avenue became Dostyk Avenue in Kazakh Dostyk.
              The name of the street was Communist, Komsomolsky, Lenin, Kirov and others with a Soviet heritage, but in Russia, too, many streets changed their name.
            3. Max_Bauder
              Max_Bauder April 10 2014 17: 09
              +13
              I wonder, where will we put the names of our heroes? to your house?
              by the way, street names are repeated in every city, you greedy want to leave everywhere!

              Now in Ukraine are changing the names of PEOPLE? Petya on PETE or something like that, why don’t you see your provocative face? What did Kazakhstan send you to sew in one place? where does this hate come from? look at fraternal Ukraine, then tell us about oppression!

              He also found me the MOST aggressive country that is outliving the Russians, I don’t even speak about the Central Asian countries with the end of the camp south.

              PySy. Kabanbay Batyr so that you know your highly specialized head was a warlord commander who led a cavalry squadron against the Dzungars. For some reason I know Suvorov, Bagration, Kutuzov and other heroes of Russia.
            4. Guard
              Guard April 10 2014 21: 49
              +7
              Quote: sus
              Ust-Kamenogorsk - Oskemen

              Ust-Kamenogorsk was not renamed. Oskemen is a Kazakh name used historically in the Kazakh language. In Russian, the name of the city as it was, and remains.
              Quote: sus
              my native Proletarskaya became KABANBAY - Batyr *** *** FROM WHICH OAK WHO IS IT?

              a) why do we need communist street names? correctly do that rename them. what for us the streets of Karl Marx, Engels, Rosa Luxemburg, Communist, Lenin, Proletarian, Kommunarsky? Or do you live in 1980?
              b) and in mother Russia the communist names of cities and streets were not touched? Leningrad, Kirov, Kalinin, etc. - where are they?
              c) Do not know the heroes of the Kazakh people? For all his life did not bother to find out the history of the people among whom you live? Suitcase, train station, to hell with pies! Personally, I know the story of the neighbors and their glorious names. This does not stop me from being a Kazakh patriot. And if knowledge of Kazakh history and culture prevents you from being a Russian person, then go fuck. If you have already left - you will rickety with all your heart!
              Quote: sus
              Petropavlovsk - already twice wanted to rename Kyzyl-Zhar.
              For the Kazakhs, it has always been Kyzyl-heat. And even a hundred years ago, this area was officially called the Kyzyl-Zharsky district. But they are not going to rename the city. There was an initiative group, but this idea did not find support either from the bulk of the Kazakhs or from the authorities.
              Quote: sus
              Pavlodar - they want to rename, have already tried.
              Yes, there were such proposals from certain initiative groups. But the proposal was not supported. In addition, let me remind you that even these "Kazakh nationalists" proposed to rename it Kereka. You are outraged, and this is in honor of Koryakov, the founder of this settlement. Kereke is the Kazakh version of this surname. In those years, the Kazakhs called the future Pavlodar (Fort Koryakovsky) and the bearer of this surname just that. It turns out that Kazakhs respect the Russian founder of the city much more than you, posing as a "Russian patriot".
        3. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq April 10 2014 16: 01
          +3
          Quote: sus
          Cons for what, can explain. Want to say Ust-Kamenogorsk, Petropavlovsk, Uralsk, Aktyubinsk, Verny, Guryev, Shevchenko, Perovsk, Pavlodar, Tselinograd, Ridder, and many others are not occupied and not renamed?

          They built everything in a place, I live in Shevchenko. In the sense of convicts and soldiers were building ....
          1. Aydar
            Aydar April 11 2014 09: 25
            0
            built military bases, not cities
        4. Guard
          Guard April 10 2014 21: 31
          +9
          Quote: sus
          Cons for what, can explain. Want to say Ust-Kamenogorsk, Petropavlovsk, Uralsk, Aktyubinsk, Verny, Guryev, Shevchenko, Perovsk, Pavlodar, Tselinograd, Ridder, and many others are not occupied and not renamed?

          Neighing))))
          In fact, the Russians did not establish cities, but military bases. Nobody was going to turn them into cities in those years, because there was no one to populate them except with soldiers. All these settlements (with the exception of Ridder and Guryev) were built exclusively as forts, military fortifications.
          Secondly, these bases were built on Kazakh land. With all the consequences.
          Thirdly, the fact that they became normal, full-fledged cities should be thanked not to an individual people, but to the Soviet government, which transported surplus labor reserves from the European part of the country to the east - the Urals, Kazakhstan, Siberia, the Far East, where it was necessary to create new factories, mines, research institutes, because: a) in the European part there are fewer minerals, and those that were available were sufficiently depleted; b) there was simply less work in the western part of the USSR than the population; c) it was necessary to have a strong rear, inaccessible to the aircraft of potential adversaries. All the peoples of the Soviet Union went to the Kazakh SSR in proportion to their number on the orders of the party, and not on the decision of the "Russian Assembly".
          Fourth, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Petropavlovsk, Uralsk, Pavlodar have not been renamed, although some of them have the traditional second Kazakh name used in Kazakh speech - Oskemen, Petropavl, Oral, Kereku (this toponym is rarely used. The name comes from the pre-revolutionary name Pavlodar - "Koryakovo" in honor of the first general who founded this fortress).
          Aktyubinsk got its historical name, from which, by the way, the word "Aktyubinsk" - "Aktobe" ("White Hill") originated. By the way, the city in the Astrakhan region - Akhtubinsk - has the same etymology.
          Verny was renamed in the Soviet years. And the decision was not made by the Kazakhs. Well, it will be known to you that up to Verny there was the settlement of Almaty, whose location was recorded on medieval maps.
          Guryev became Atyrau, because This area has always been called Kazakhs. As for the revolution, that in the days of the USSR.
          Shevchenko received his historical name Aktau. That was the name of this city until 1963. But the spirit of Great Kobzar can sleep peacefully, because in Kazakhstan there is a city called Fort Shevchenko, which no one is going to rename.
          Perovsk was renamed Kyzyl-Orda in Soviet times. However, this city existed even before the Russian invasion of Central Asia and was called Akmechet ("Akmeshit" - "White Mosque"). By the way, the historical name of Simferopol is exactly the same - "Akmeshit" / "Akmesjit"))) But, however, the historical names are unlikely to bother you here)))
          Tselinograd - a name from the time of Khrushchev. Prior to this, the city was called Akmola / Akmolinsk.
          As for Ridder, they completely brought to tears))) It was independent Kazakhstan that returned that name to him in deference to the founding father of the city - the German Ridder. In Soviet times, the city was called Leninogorsk.
          Sometimes it's better to chew than talk.
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  9. Unknown
    Unknown April 10 2014 12: 19
    +1
    Forward to a happy future TOGETHER!
  10. Baikal
    Baikal April 10 2014 12: 22
    -4
    Having scratched the pumpkin without hesitation, Kazakhstan nevertheless decided to make a cunning maneuver of around an object of the "rake" type.
    Apparently, it began to reach everyone only after Yanukovych ...
    1. Baikal
      Baikal April 12 2014 09: 53
      0
      Gentlemen, out of sheer curiosity - why are we minusizing something? wink
      Because the thunder struck and the government finally became baptized? Well done, honor and praise, in fact. But before it was possible to think about this before?
  11. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 10 2014 12: 24
    +4
    In KAZAKHSTAN no one wants to move from the South to the NORTH. Such fools cannot be found now. They do not need the northern regions. negative
    1. Ratio
      Ratio April 10 2014 16: 05
      +5
      You should have seen how pampered Almaty residents complain about our Astana light frost, they already warmed me up with such pictures.
      1. Bum
        Bum April 10 2014 18: 14
        +4
        A servant from near Almaty came to me in Petropavlovsk. So he said that he would never live here! COLD!
        1. Aydar
          Aydar April 11 2014 09: 28
          0
          I live in the south of Zhambyl region, a native of Kokchetav region, I will say one thing, how do you say southerners work in Northern Kazakhstan. Soon I will also move to Northern Kazakhstan. after all, my native land.))
      2. Canep
        Canep April 10 2014 21: 10
        +4
        When you tell the southerners about a frost of 30 degrees, and in the north it’s in the order of things, they grab their heads, and in my memory it was -45 !!!, then even the northerners had a hard time standing at a bus stop to get to work bordering on suicide because half of the buses just don’t go on the route, and you need to go to work, it’s just impossible to start a car, taxi drivers just don’t turn off their cars, they have the last hope. Ok, Ekibas is a small town, you can walk to work. So when you tell southerners about such an extreme, they ask how you live here.
  12. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta April 10 2014 12: 28
    +1
    It is high time for everyone to turn on their brains and put a fat point in the history of the "orange revolutions" and a fat cross on the creators of this theory.
    1. Canep
      Canep April 10 2014 14: 58
      +3
      Quote: Tra-ta-ta
      bold cross on the creators of this theory.

      Better wooden.
  13. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 10 2014 12: 29
    +3
    In Kazakhstan, everything is fine so far, but what will happen when Nazarbayev leaves? There are still a lot of ambiguities. Radicals, nationalists in Kazakhstan are also there. Therefore, it is necessary to carefully monitor all processes in Kazakhstan.
    1. 51064
      51064 April 10 2014 12: 47
      +8
      Everything will be fine in Kazakhstan, the nationalists will not be allowed to rise, their time has almost passed in Kazakhstan. The fifth column is not there, unlike Russia and Ukraine. Destructive militant opposition of any kind, too. A sufficiently strong state and its power structures. IMHO is in first place in terms of per capita income in Central Asia and second in the CIS.
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    3. Igor 3456
      Igor 3456 April 10 2014 13: 05
      +10
      In Kazakhstan, everything will be the same as in Russia in 1999. Nazarbayev will turn to the nation and announce his successor. The people will support
    4. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 09: 31
      -1
      everything will be fine, just do not meddle with us, do not interfere with life and do not impose your ideology
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  15. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata April 10 2014 12: 36
    +1
    Rumor has it that GDP instructed the NAS to further promote democracy in the KZ. In short: there will be no successor, grandmother to his homeland.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear April 10 2014 12: 50
      +1
      Asan Ata
      Judging by the appointments, a successor is outlined and not a rabid "national patriot". No rulers are elected from the Ministry of Commerce.
    2. foxxi
      foxxi April 10 2014 13: 42
      +2
      will there be a living mausoleum? ... injections of eternal life?
  16. RUSS
    RUSS April 10 2014 12: 39
    -3
    So, the allies in the future of the Eurasian Union quite correctly understand the current situation and, simultaneously with Russia, put security and defense issues at the center of the political agenda.

    Stirred, understood where the wind is blowing, Nazarbayev’s multi-vector approach may not bring to good, they understand that they can also forcibly instill democracy by revolution.
    1. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 09: 34
      0
      thanks to Nazarbayev’s policy, we have peace and order. We cooperate with everyone. unlike the neighbors where there are always Maidan with a bare ass and war in the Caucasus. who against the constitutional order will receive in full
  17. their
    their April 10 2014 12: 44
    -12%
    Russian lands and regions were transferred to Kazakhstan within the framework of the then acting as subjects of the republic in the USSR. With the collapse of the USSR, Russia had to demand its return, but the seven-bankers hastened to sell everything with giblets.

    Now the Kazakhs cunningly introduce laws against separatism, populate the original Russian lands with strangers, thereby conducting a quiet occupation and squeezing out the Russians.
    23 years of such a policy of occupation, and squandering of Soviet industry.
    1. Walking
      Walking April 10 2014 15: 04
      +7
      Original Russian lands? You taught history, a dvoechnik, or can you grind only with your tongue, or rather to knock on the clave? Have you heard about Ermak’s campaigns? Many more arguments can be made, but as you can see, this is not necessary, because it’s easier about the occupation, squeezing out the Russians.
      So, not everything here is unequivocal; this is how I speak Russian.
      1. Canep
        Canep April 10 2014 21: 25
        +1
        In fact, this is actually a common land, according to the names of the settlements it is clearly seen that we went from Astana to the north:
        Astana (aka Tselinograd, but also Akmola, aka Akmola)
        Akkol
        Makinsk
        Schuchinsk
        Kokchetav (Kokshetau)
        Taiynsha
        Petropavlovsk
        ---- border ----
        Ishim
        Golyshmanovo
        Tobolsk
        Further Khanty-Mansiysk

        Around Chelyabinsk: Chebarkul, Miass, Karabash, Kyshtym, Kasli, Kunashak, Etkul, Argayash - are the names originally Russian?

        There is no clear border.
        1. Guard
          Guard April 10 2014 22: 01
          +6
          Well, in fact, strictly speaking, Astana is located in Sary-Ark, Petropavlovsk in Kyzyl-Zhar, Makinsk in Buland. That is what these places were historically called before the advent of the Russians in the 18th century. Prior to this, there were no Slavic names, essno, there.
          1. Aydar
            Aydar April 11 2014 09: 38
            0
            hi I agree with you.
        2. Aydar
          Aydar April 11 2014 09: 38
          0
          My Homeland is Kokshetau, my whole family has fought against tsarism, there is an old family grave in the village of Enbek. We fought for the Motherland !!!
    2. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 09: 36
      -1
      the original Kazakh lands are still Orenburg (the Kazakh name is Orenborg), Omsk (Ombi), Orsk, Astrakhan.
  18. saag
    saag April 10 2014 12: 46
    0
    there were a lot of movements in Baikonur, in particular in the Zenith launch complex, such as Kazakhstan itself wanted to become a space power and launch rockets into space, and in connection with the situation in Ukraine, how is Kazakhstan now going to promote this project?
    1. Guard
      Guard April 10 2014 22: 07
      +3
      1) Space ambitions have not gone away. But Kazakhstan has always stressed that it intends to conduct its space program with Russia.
      2) Kazakhstan used the Ukrainian map to tighten this country into the Customs Union (well, so that Russia does not imagine itself as the only holder of space technology). In addition to space cooperation, the Kazakhs have led and are leading a bunch of other joint projects with Ukraine, and they are offering a bunch of others - both in the military commissariat, in grain, etc.
      3) We are not going to stop cooperation with Ukraine. They just took a break to wait for the presidential election. Then we will have someone to talk to there. Even if a pro-European politician comes to power, the main thing is that he be legitimate so that we can continue joint projects. Well, and essno, Nazarbayev will continue to bend his Eurasian policy in order to return Ukraine to our camp. For Nazarbayev, the Eurasian Union is the most coveted child.
      1. Aydar
        Aydar April 11 2014 09: 41
        -1
        whoever comes to power in Ukraine is always ready to cooperate with Ukraine.
    2. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 09: 40
      -2
      close Baikonur, launch your missiles at home. not a great loss.
  19. avt
    avt April 10 2014 12: 48
    +1
    Elbasy, unlike the creators of the Velikoukr nation, perfectly understands the obvious fact - the construction of Kazakhstan as a sovereign state and the succession of power is not possible without the guarantee of Russia. He received guarantees, as well as Batska, so everything will be fine. While politicians, even when they begin to trace their ancestry from Iskender Macedoni, Velikoukrov, Genghis Khan, but clearly remember that their current independent countries are within their borders, originally from the USSR and a guarantor of these borders is the legal successor in the international arena of the USSR - Russia, everything will be smooth and a compromise will be found through calm negotiations, to the general satisfaction of the parties. Let it not immediately and may be with a public squabble - as with Father, but it will be that way. As soon as someone gets "dizzy with success" and unwillingness to solve problems in a peaceful, political way. Sooner or later Russia will have to intervene as 08.08.08 and in the Crimea. Well, if the slogan "Abroad will help us, America with us" does not hit the brain, then everything will be fine, like with Batska and Elbasy. Well, the fact that he is shuffling HIS deck is his internal affair, But Father, too, fucked up and I will fuck up parliament. "NAS is even more cunning than Butler - he just twisted the Union State, and NAS insured himself - Evrases is in a hurry to blind him for three, the counterbalance is created by the Belarusian one when making a decision.
    1. Guard
      Guard April 10 2014 22: 16
      +8
      I wrote garbage. like the facts are correct, but they give a nasty stink.
      well, and besides, Nazarbayev never fusses and is in no hurry. Nazarbayev began pushing neighbors to create the Eurasian Union 20 years ago, when Yeltsin’s Russia did not even think about what you were writing.
      so it is not necessary to expose it as if it is necessary to follow Kazakhstan in both eyes, so that it does not have "dizziness" and "pro-Western sentiments."

      quickly in Russia they attributed to themselves the idea of ​​creating a new union on the fragments of the former empire. this is Kazakhstan, which has been hampering Moscow for two decades, which just the same time kissed the West.

      it feels like you forgot what happened in Russia all these years, and only now you turned on the TV and began to perceive the history of your country from the current moment.
      It was Kazakhstan who got to Moscow, Tashkent, Bishkek, Kiev, Minsk with integration proposals, with "10 steps towards people", with the idea of ​​creating a unified armed forces, with countering the "visa" wishes of the CIS countries (including Russia). so it is not necessary "graciously" to allow us to be in the Eurasian Union. this kagbe from start to finish is the idea of ​​Kazakhstan.
      1. Aydar
        Aydar April 11 2014 09: 44
        +1
        totally agree with you. the works of our president do not need to be attributed to themselves.
    2. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 09: 43
      +1
      the country's security begins with the unity of the people living in the country, and not with the number of military equipment and the size of the army.
  20. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 10 2014 12: 49
    +2
    When at least half of those efforts
    What are given to the wars
    We are dedicated to enlightenment, -
    We wouldn’t need arsenals.

    And the people that again, despising the law,
    Kindle the war and spilled the blood of another
    Again, like Cain, he would be branded.
  21. Aldo
    Aldo April 10 2014 12: 51
    +10
    Quote: sus
    Russian lands and regions were transferred to Kazakhstan within the framework of the then acting as subjects of the republic in the USSR. With the collapse of the USSR, Russia had to demand its return, but the seven-bankers hastened to sell everything with giblets.

    Now the Kazakhs cunningly introduce laws against separatism, populate the original Russian lands with strangers, thereby conducting a quiet occupation and squeezing out the Russians.


    When were they originally Russian? since the 18th century? And our Kazakhs (except for the Turkic peoples in general) have lived there since at least the 15th century. So do not lala. The fact that there are more Russians now is the merit of Stalin and Goloshchekin. According to the most conservative estimates, in the years 30-33 1,5 million Kazakhs died, more than 1 million were resettled in Uzbekistan and China. So guys, let's not raise the issue of land. You have enough of your land to process them better.
    1. their
      their April 10 2014 13: 17
      -12%
      Yeah, tell me what else you created the city, and rebuilt them. Or do you think there that the Russians built cities for you and dumped them? The Russians saved you from extinction and protected, sheltered in the cities, gave the culture, and in response you squeezed them out of their native cities. Now, hurry up to populate some kind of oralmans who are uncultured and introduce laws against separatism.

      You and the story is the same as in Ukraine, 90% myths and tales ...
      1. foxxi
        foxxi April 10 2014 13: 45
        +1
        again this term - "squeezed out" ... no one squeezed out ... squeezed out on their own ... because squeezing took place at moments of social upheavals and economic crises basically ... and not in view of nationalist trends and tendencies ...
        1. their
          their April 10 2014 13: 51
          -6
          Well, yes, during the economic upheavals, the Russian invaders were to blame, as now. They dismissed the Russians en masse, and put the ignorant titular nation. Say it was not like that?
          1. Kasym
            Kasym April 10 2014 19: 14
            +4
            sus, I'm sorry, of course, but I want to ask: "Name the former republics of the USSR, where there were no wars and interethnic squabbles, where GDP growth exceeded the Soviet period? Where did the population exceed the Soviet period? Where there were no orange revolutions? Where were new railways built (1300 km ) and autobahns (more than 2000 km)? Where have whole new industries been created? Where was new infrastructure and new cities built? Which of the republics of the former USSR did not express and did not demand any kind of compensation, discounts, etc. from the Russian Federation? Who did not slide into accusations, but all decided at the negotiating table and quietly, without noise to the whole world? In which republic of the USSR is the Russian language spelled out in the Constitution of the country and bears the proud name of the Language of Interethnic Communication and the government promotes knowledge of three languages? "
            When you answer these questions, you can discuss.
            Remember, if you are not young, how Kazakhs were accused of nationalism and extremism after the events of 1986 in Alma-Ata. Enough time has passed now to say that this is not so. And Kazakhstan is still a multinational state. We have such a unique state. the body is called the ASSEMBLY OF THE PEOPLES OF KAZAKHSTAN. If you are infringed on nat. sign, language or religion, then contact the "Russian Community of Kazakhstan" located in the building of the Small Arena in Alma-Ata, write electr. letter to Nur Otan and the prosecutor's office. The official will be suspended for 5 years from work in the state. organs. This is an example. hi
            1. Aydar
              Aydar April 11 2014 09: 53
              -1
              I think it was necessary to demand compensation for the famine (in the 30s, artificial) for Baikonur and missile ranges, for the base in Aralsk, and the nuclear test site in Semipalatinsk.
          2. Astana_KZ
            Astana_KZ April 11 2014 07: 47
            +2
            here because of people like you (vybl ... ok from the Maidan) and incitement of ethnic hatred ... I suggest completely ignoring this pindo ..
          3. Aydar
            Aydar April 11 2014 09: 49
            -2
            nobody holds anyone, do not like the suitcase station and the tablecloth road. I have a lot of Russians working at my place and don’t even think about moving to Russia. especially live in the south (which you are so terribly afraid of))))
      2. Guard
        Guard April 10 2014 22: 32
        +4
        Quote: sus
        Yeah, tell me what cities you created, and rebuilt them

        Some cities and villages in Kazakhstan were founded by Russians, some by Sarts, some by Dzungars (Semipalatinsk, by the way, is located on the site of the former Dzungarian fortress), some are Kazakhs, some are German colonists, some Some are Ukrainian immigrants, some are Korean exiles, some are convicts, some are evacuated, some are Turkmen, some are Uighurs, some are Uzbeks ... And there are also Chechen, Bulgarian , Kurdish, Turkish settlements. This is Kazakhstan, baby (s)
        Quote: sus
        Russians saved you from extinction and protected

        Sorry, from whom did you protect? What war?
        Quote: sus
        gave culture

        Rakhmet to the Russians for giving me the Kazakh language, akyns, dombra, yurt, patterns on felt, leather pants, koumiss, skullcap, baursaks, runic writing and arabic, names, clans, batyr epics and parables about Aldar-Kose. I wondered who gave it to us? It turns out - the Russian people! Kop rakhmet, bauyrym! Orys of the Madenieta - en uly! (literal translation from Russian into the same Russian language: "Thank you. Russian culture is the greatest!")
        Quote: sus
        Now, hurry to populate some kind of oralmans uncultured

        Why did the Russians give culture to some Kazakhs, but not to give other Kazakhs? Oh, yes, I forgot - these Kazakhs chose to be left without a "Russian cultural gift" in 1932, and therefore, such bastards, were left without "culture" and alive.
        Quote: sus
        and introduce laws against separatism.
        Because this is our land. And there are no historical "alien" lands here. Even if it contradicts your ignorance. And we will bury anyone in it for our land. We will not die for her, but we will make others die.

        Quote: sus
        You and the story is the same as in Ukraine, 90% myths and tales ...
        I doubt that you know your story, not like Ukrainian or Kazakh.
        1. Aydar
          Aydar April 11 2014 09: 55
          0
          There is a proverb “whatever Russian friend you may have been, keep an ax in your belt at the ready, for he is not a friend, but a traitor,” my grandfather used to say.
          1. Ratio
            Ratio April 11 2014 16: 53
            +2
            Aydar and Karauyl, you are beginning to be like a comrade "SUS", the same offended and aggressive international shouts. Calmer.
  22. stas11830
    stas11830 April 10 2014 12: 56
    -4
    Before Nazarbayev, there was 1986 and a nationalist riot in Alma-Ata, when the lives of Russians had to be saved by the Ryazan paratroopers-cadets with sharpened sapper blades.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon April 10 2014 14: 43
      +9
      What paratroopers? The paratroopers Yazov threw at the Sugait pogrom. Gorbachev then accused him that the paratroopers had come too late.

      20 thousand inhabitants gathered in Alma-Ata on Brezhnev Square and demanded an answer why Gorbachev removed Kunaev and sent Kolbin. Although there were personnel in the republic, Nazarbayev and others who knew the KazSSR, unlike Kolbin, did not work for a day here. Gorbachev pulled out the rank-and-file leader of the Ulyanovsk region and set to lead the second largest and third most economical Union republic.
      The people who believed in glasnost stood and demanded clarifications of the 3 day - on the 4 day Gorbachev, through Kolbin, ordered VV to disperse the people by force. There were no armed people - so batons and possibly shoulder blades were used.
      To justify their actions, Gorbachev and Kolbin composed a fairy tale about the nationalism of the Kazakh people. Only then did the peoples for some reason begin to rise all over the USSR — Gorbachev now and then threw troops — did he think by force to shut up objections to his mistakes.
      Kolbin was removed in the summer. 1989 was replaced by Nazarbayev - only it was too late blood was already pouring all over the USSR.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS April 10 2014 15: 28
        0
        Quote: Lindon
        Sugait pogrom.

        Sumgait.
    2. Guard
      Guard April 10 2014 22: 36
      +3
      Quote: stas11830
      Before Nazarbayev, 1986 was a nationalist riot in Alma-Ata.

      The riot was not against the Russians. The riot was not against the Soviet government. The riot was against the appointment of a NON-KAZAKHSTAN. The main requirement was one - we need a KAZAKHSTAN!
      Quote: stas11830
      when Russian life had to be saved

      no one touched the Russians.
      Quote: stas11830
      Ryazan paratroopers cadets

      it was the Novosibirsk riot police.
      1. foxxi
        foxxi April 11 2014 08: 46
        +4
        By the way, I served an emergency service in Alma-Ata from 1987 to 1989, at the same time I heard a lot about what bad Kazakhs we all really want ... and they called me a nationalist, and they broadcast the label of the Decembrist ... although there are objective reasons for that there wasn’t at all, but nevertheless - a lot was said and off topic ... wrote a report on transferring to the training unit to receive the rank of sergeant - refused without explanation, then it turned out if there were a Tatar or someone else ... immediately sent ... that there was no interesting resentment, because I understood that everyone who decides this and nothing human is alien to them, including meanness and stupidity, as well as fear ... at that moment I began to understand that not titular then as it is closer and more understandable, the backward, stupid and uneducated Kazakh ... but I also took it for granted, because to consider myself higher than another conscience allows if the other is worse than you, and if it is equal to you or God forbid better, then here envy begins to torment .. don’t take it as an insult; ite as a fact ... The one who said that everything that happened then was the result of a stupid short-sighted policy of the then leadership, or maybe even worse, a pre-planned action commissioned by a western master, is right ...
    3. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 10: 01
      -1
      father came from the army in 70 years, came to his homeland home Kokshetau, met with friends and began to wash, joke among themselves in their native language Kazakh and Tatar (mother was a Tatar Muslim), a crowd of Russians walked by and began to scold them " why don’t speak Russian? we don’t understand "father told you e..that we are talking here, do not meddle with us, go in peace, it doesn’t concern you. Well, then the Russians began to climb and bully, a fight broke out, they gave the hares in the neck. every Kazakh knows at least two languages, there are three and four languages. so which of us is illiterate or chock as you say, it's just you.
  23. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 10 2014 12: 59
    -4
    Kazakhstan as a state can exist only with the maximum commonwealth with Russia (just look at the territory and the number of people). Who else can protect them except Russia? And I do not exclude the fact that if the Americans unleash the massacre in Ukraine, Kazakhstan will independently join Russia (possibly on the principle of Taiwan with the PRC) in order to maintain its authenticity.
    1. Guard
      Guard April 10 2014 22: 38
      +7
      Or maybe Russia as an autonomous region will become part of Kazakhstan? We promise protection and protection. Kazakhs know how. And, as prescribed by all the steppe laws from the time of the Huns and Genghis Khan, we promise to preserve your cultural, linguistic and religious authenticity.
      1. Aydar
        Aydar April 11 2014 10: 05
        -3
        with the capital in Astana and our tenge currency. )) We guarantee that neither China nor the West will go to war with you.
    2. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 10: 04
      0
      complete nonsense. clean up your country first. do not meddle with us, we do not need such advisers
  24. VladimS
    VladimS April 10 2014 12: 59
    0
    . I won’t be surprised that Kazakhstan will soften the terms of Baikonur’s rent in a short time. Significantly soften.

    The closer will be the moment of completion of the construction of its launch complex in the Far East ...
    Radicals, nationalists in Kazakhstan also exist. Therefore, it is necessary to carefully monitor all processes in Kazakhstan.
    Most likely, the West has its own nets. Do not give them GOD Ukrainian script.
    1. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 10: 05
      -1
      go with God with your rockets.
  25. Aldo
    Aldo April 10 2014 13: 03
    +4
    Quote: stas11830
    Before Nazarbayev, there was 1986 and a nationalist riot in Alma-Ata, when the lives of Russians had to be saved by the Ryazan paratroopers-cadets with sharpened sapper blades.


    There was a rebellion against the arbitrariness of Soviet power in the Republic and not against the Russians. There, not a single Russian died and hundreds of Kazakh boys and girls died. Just imagine now, in Tatarstan or Chechnya, put a Russian president, people would take to the streets to claim their rights to leadership from their nation, the same thing happened in Almaty in 1986.
    I don’t understand why people comment on something that they have absolutely no idea about. better to be silent ...
    1. their
      their April 10 2014 13: 29
      -9
      That is, you are nationalists, and do not tolerate the Russian who built the city for you, including the city of Verny?
      1. Aydar
        Aydar April 11 2014 10: 07
        0
        another lost soul! in general, they teach you something in schools, you see, your brains have washed your GDP
    2. foxxi
      foxxi April 10 2014 13: 48
      +5
      Ata him ... I heard a ring, but does not know where he is !!!!!!!
    3. RUSS
      RUSS April 10 2014 14: 24
      +1
      Quote: Aldo
      Just imagine now in Tatarstan or Chechnya, put the Russian president


      If the Russian leader was put at the head of Chechnya, that would be right, it would not be true when the head of Chechnya is a representative of one of the teips and, moreover, a former militant, there are almost equal numbers of Russians and Tatars in Tatarstan, so the Russian president would be quite normal, otherwise the whole leadership of Tatarstan ethnic Tatars.
      1. Aydar
        Aydar April 11 2014 10: 08
        -3
        Chechnya has fought and will fight. forgot the first Caucasian war.
    4. Walking
      Walking April 10 2014 15: 22
      +1
      There were not hundreds of dead, here you are wrong
  26. individual
    individual April 10 2014 13: 09
    +3
    In general, N. Nazarbayev has always been a realist and the last one to defend the USSR to the end.
    But Russia's actions to recognize North Ossetia and Abkhazia after 08.08.08. and Crimea after 16.07.14. the position of Kazakhstan is surprising.
    1. Guard
      Guard April 10 2014 22: 44
      +3
      Quote: individ
      But Russia's actions to recognize North Ossetia and Abkhazia after 08.08.08. and Crimea after 16.07.14. the position of Kazakhstan is surprising.

      Kazakhstan clearly stated that it does not recognize separatism. We did not recognize Chechnya. They did not recognize Kosovo. Abkhazia and South Ossetia were not recognized.
      If Crimea separated from Ukraine and began to live separately from everyone, then they would not be recognized either. Well, since this is actually a reunion of one people, then there is another market.
      Z.Y. Despite an understanding of Russia's actions, however, we refrained from making loud statements and the final recognition of the annexation of Crimea, as it is Kazakhstan that will establish relations between Kiev and Moscow. And for this you need room for maneuver. Current do not say that this is not in favor of Russia.
    2. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 10: 09
      -2
      why recognize these republics? the territorial integrity of Georgia and Ukraine has been violated. we will work economically, but in the political arena
  27. Conrat83
    Conrat83 April 10 2014 13: 28
    +7
    By the way, rebellion and its suppression were organized with the help of the then leadership of the USSR.
    Gorbachev and his company deliberately fanned interethnic tension in the republics.
    They announced glasnost, called people to rallies, and immediately began to spread rot on the local Kazakh leadership and put their people on. Created all the conditions for protests. As always - far-sighted country boys, alcohol and several provocateurs were led - riots began. They raked simpletons as now in Kiev.
    Then it was specially harshly suppressed so that the people would want to rush out of the Union. But the mass of Kazakhs did not fall for it.
    Then these scenarios Gorbi and Shevardnadze worked out in the Caucasus and the Baltic states. Also, publicity, provocations, riots, suppression with blood, as a result of the republic, these in full steam rushed from the Union.
    Several thousand morons can always be found even in Kiev, even in Almaty, even in Moscow. But if the manual is not rotten at all, they will quietly suck beer in their corners. And if it’s rotten, you yourself understand - Maidan.
  28. Aldo
    Aldo April 10 2014 13: 38
    +3
    Quote: sus
    That is, you are nationalists, and do not tolerate the Russian who built the city for you, including the city of Verny?


    You built it not for the Kazakhs but for yourself, the Kazakhs paid for these cities with blood in the years 1731-1945. By the way, 0,5 million Russians still live there. If it were bad for them, they would have been dumped in the Russian Federation a long time ago. And our ancestors for your state also shed blood in the great Patriotic wars of 1812, 1941-1945.
    1. their
      their April 10 2014 13: 47
      -2
      No one argues, everyone shed blood for the USSR, but what does this have to do with culturally renamed streets and cities that you did not create cultural monuments ?, did you ask someone when they did this? Conducted polls, referenda? No, it means occupied.
      1. Lindon
        Lindon April 10 2014 14: 46
        +1
        The Germans didn’t spill blood like you. They were exiled to Kazakhstan from where you moved to your Germany.
        I understand that the Germans weren’t loved in the USSR - they were beaten for fascists and Hitler at school. You can see the Kazakhs greatly offended. Kazakhstan and Kazakhs you water for free.
        1. Gorinich
          Gorinich April 10 2014 15: 17
          -1
          The transition to "personalities" means that you cannot answer the essence of the question.
          1. their
            their April 10 2014 15: 24
            -3
            Here, many behave like Zionists, their methods of occupation in Kazakhstan are applied overwriting the entire Russian presence, they hide behind the Kazakhs only. In response, they have nothing to say, they just powder their brains and sprinkle with saliva turning to the individual.
            1. Lindon
              Lindon April 10 2014 16: 09
              +7
              their
              Well, the fact that you are anti-Semite is what we know.
              But your pearls are not that:
              Kazakh trace however, can Jews descend from Kazakhs?


              Here, many behave like Zionists, their methods of occupation in Kazakhstan are applied overwriting the entire Russian presence, they hide behind the Kazakhs only.


              I am not a provocateur, I am for an alliance with Kazakhstan.


              I also treat the Kazakhs well, we have a lot in common


              In childhood, not only Kazakhs aul teeth knocked out in my childhood, I remembered it for life.


              They were killed by "Western" Jews, capo and Judenrat detachments, carefully filtering them. At the end of the war, Stalin and the USSR captured many Jewish and various Nazi punishers. Stalin then created Israel for them and moved the entire remaining 5 column of the USSR, including the NKVDshnikov, to Israel.


              The handiwork of a Zionist anti-Christian gang.


              And no, I'm not anti-Semite, just every nation has its own *** ki


              What are the disadvantages of the Israelis?


              By the way, the real detonator of the new world war is Israel. They are behind the civil war in Syria, and organized the bloody Maidan.


              There are many reasons: Kazakhs killed my father’s friends, my father was taken away from the business threatening to kill him, they also wanted to take the apartment, my mother was fired from work putting a Kazakh woman without education, Kazakhs beat me several times in the street.


              Kazakh nat. Shiz personally affected me and my family at 90 and my friends, when we threw everything and sold for a penny to leave, the invaders are real Russians for us from the KZ.


              Nazarbayev is a wise politician, but the Americans need the same scenario as in Ukraine, so they will simply overthrow him like Yanukovych and launch the Bandera pendulum with a natschiza


              Ordinary Jews did not offend me and I have nothing wrong with them, on the contrary, I help, I am struck by the level of lies and stupidity of some who do not see the obvious


              Kazakhs beat, and does not like Jews and Israel. At the same time, he claims that it is good to treat both of them.
            2. Walking
              Walking April 10 2014 16: 15
              +5
              If you still remember, they offended you greatly.
      2. Aydar
        Aydar April 11 2014 10: 12
        -1
        in your country in the names of streets and cities it is advisable to put the names of those historical figures who have contributed to the struggle for the independence of the Kazakh people
    2. Turkir
      Turkir April 10 2014 15: 53
      +1
      And no one argues. Talk see what happened? The Russian guys who live in Kazakhstan do not want something to happen to Nazarbayev, they are worried.
      And you don’t worry who will continue Nazarbayev’s policy?
      That is the whole question. And your answer will be interesting to everyone.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym April 10 2014 19: 33
        +4
        Guys, I’ll explain why a nationalist cannot come to power in Kazakhstan.
        About 40% of the population of the Republic of Kazakhstan is non-indigenous. These are representatives of 100 nationalities. The largest of them is RUSSIAN. Now imagine that a RADICAL or a NATIONALIST is running. This is minus 40% of the votes at once. Further, Kazakhs have NEVER been "ardent" Muslims (we do not pray 5 times a day, that's for sure). It turns out that the maximum will pick up a few percent.
        In economic terms, Nazarbayev planned everything until 2050. Have you heard such names of projects "Kazakhstan-2020", "Kazakhstan-2030", "Kazakhstan-2050" or "Industrialization of Kazakhstan"? And I can name the receivers, choose.
        Tokaev (UN - a very significant post, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Prime Minister, Head of the Senate)
        Tasmagambetov (was mayor in Alma-Ata, now in Astana)
        Masimov (Prime Minister, Head of Admin. President). hi
        1. atalef
          atalef April 10 2014 19: 40
          +1
          Quote: Kasym
          Guys, I’ll explain why a nationalist cannot come to power in Kazakhstan.
          About 40% of the population of Kazakhstan is not an indigenous population. These are representatives of 100 nationalities.

          Doesn't play roles - propaganda is the main thing and never say never

          Quote: Kasym
          Further, Kazakhs have NEVER been "ardent" Muslims (we do not pray 5 times a day, that's for sure). It turns out that the maximum will pick up a few percent.

          Dial 70 photos in Google - Afghanistan - you will like it. Absolutely secular country. By the way, like Iran

          Quote: Kasym
          Nazarbayev economically painted everything until 2050

          It’s a pity only to live in this wonderful time, neither I nor you will have to

          Quote: Kasym
          Have you heard such names of projects "Kazakhstan-2020", "Kazakhstan-2030", "Kazakhstan-2050"

          I heard - housing 2000 - Gorbachev promised - and everyone believed, damn it
          Sincerely.
          PS - Do not make yourself an idol. hi
          1. Kasym
            Kasym April 10 2014 20: 14
            +6
            Alexander, hello! Such as "Freedom" or "Right Sector" are prohibited (parties and social movements on national grounds are prohibited). Which party will nominate such a moron? This is the first thing. Second. The Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan (ANK) represents all diassporas living on the territory. Kazakhstan. 9 seats in parliament are assigned to the ANC with rotation every two years. That is, all diasporas will sooner or later be represented in parliament. The ANC has developed and parliament approved a whole package of laws against nationalism, extremism, etc. The ANC was created to monitor the interethnic situation in the Republic and has already shown itself worthy. For example, on her initiative, Cultural Centers (theaters, culture, traditions, evening schools) and prayer temples in the regions of the country are being created.
            My parents' friends worked in Kabul at that time. I know . Brzezinski predicted a war for us in the 90s. Yes, we somehow had a lack of work - we had to work (GDP per capita after the collapse was somewhere around 700 dollars, now 13, this year they promise 000 - 14 td ..). wink . Kazakhs were the last of the Turkic peoples to converted to Islam. And you cannot drive our women in burqa. These Amazons whom you want to dress in a burqa and still kick in the pope.
            Alexander, you shouldn't laugh about the programs. "Kazakhstan-2030", a program to enter Kazakhstan among the 50 most competitive economies until 2030, was already completed last year. Now it is being written at 30 and a detailed plan is being prepared for it. 15 years ago, Nazarbayev talked about the automotive industry in the Republic of Kazakhstan, and we were twirling at our temples (my dad went crazy). And now ? He talked about the new capital Astana, and we were spinning at our temples. And now ? He said that GDP per capita would reach the level of Eastern Europe and Russia, and we were spinning at our temples. And now ?
            No, Alexander, I in no way want to create idols, etc. .. Nazarbayev has a bunch of his own shortcomings and the more he sits, they become more and more aggravated. But compared to other republics, we look decent. And his merit is great. hi
            1. Kasym
              Kasym April 10 2014 23: 33
              +2
              From last year's statistics: 83 people were convicted in Kazakhstan for terrorism and extremism. Vremya newspaper, fatty for April 10, 2014. hi
          2. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu April 10 2014 20: 34
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            Type 70's in Google - Afghanistan - you will like it. Absolutely secular country.
            Uh-huh, until the northern neighbor is delighted to provide "international assistance"
            1. Zymran
              Zymran April 10 2014 20: 39
              +4
              Quote: Alibekulu
              Uh-huh, until the northern neighbor is delighted to provide "international assistance"


              By the way, do you know how many tons of heroin Afghanistan produced before the entry of the limited contingent there?
          3. Guard
            Guard April 10 2014 23: 05
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            I heard - housing 2000 - Gorbachev promised - and everyone believed, damn it

            Well, at first, when Nazarbayev announced the Kazakhstan-2030 program, they did not believe him either. Too much we fell down after the collapse of the USSR. And now we have completed this program 17 years earlier. Now the bar has been raised. Kazakhstanis are used to trusting Nazarbayev, because if he says something, then it will be so. There is an order, the population rolls up their sleeves and fulfills the task. The people were lucky with the president, and the president was lucky with the people. Although, this is more likely not "luck", but a mentality based on the military logic of the Kazakhs.
            We will not mess with orders, but will do it right. And we will not elect a chatterbox to power, but will elect the most intelligent commander. Even if the sophisticated West thinks that it is "undemocratic". Throughout their history, Kazakhs have lived in a system called "military democracy". Khans did not inherit power by birth, but were elected representatives of the people. True, the choice was always from persons of a privileged family (Ashina, then Chingizids), but nevertheless, there was always a wide selection of applicants. Well, if they elected a khan, they listened to his words and did what he considered necessary. Such a system had a lot of advantages, among which was the maintenance of society in a tightly welded form, which was the key to survival and relative prosperity. And since the 15th century, they were able to secure a little more land for themselves than the Jews, despite the presence of multimillion-dollar neighbors from the north and east.
            ZY
            Quote: atalef
            It’s a pity only to live in this wonderful time, neither I nor you will have to
            Fortunately or unfortunately, Kazakhs do not have Jewish indecision, suspiciousness and self-doubt. Personally, I (like most Kazakhs) are convinced that we will execute this program ahead of schedule. And personally, I am not going to die by 2050. I promised my mother to live a long time)

            Z.Z.Y. I treat the Jews with sincere sympathy, although I doubt the legitimacy of Israel. But if you break the Arabs and drive them to Africa, it means handsome, the land is yours. And if the Arabs beat and kick you out, then they are handsome, the land is theirs.
            1. Aydar
              Aydar April 11 2014 10: 18
              -1
              each Kazakh has at least a wife and a tokalka. it's ok for us
  29. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 April 10 2014 13: 39
    0
    No matter what conclusions are drawn in the former Soviet republics, which, incidentally, lived at the expense of Russia, we need to strive to be independent! hi
    1. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 10: 18
      -2
      there were colonies of Moscow. and our president acknowledged this.
  30. reality
    reality April 10 2014 13: 42
    +11
    The article is adequate.
    And the comments are not always. The primordially Russian lands occupied by the Kazakhs are generally strong) In general, one should not use such phrases as "primordial lands". Before the Russians, many peoples lived in Siberia, and before them there were still other peoples. So whose land is this primordial? How old is Russian siberia? Not enough for primacy?
    Siberia is Russian? - Yes
    Siberia is native Russian? - not

    For comparison:
    Is Ukraine Russian? - not
    Is Ukraine native Russian? - Yes

    Maybe enough already cause all your troubles to see neighbors? Russians, how many times have you re-elected Yeltsin? Kazakhstan to the last did not want to recognize the collapse of the USSR, we were simply sent, and not politely.
    Engage in corruption, education, medicine and Ukraine. And everyone will be drawn to you. We won’t hit you in the back if you don’t start to substitute your ass)
    And those who insist that the Russians built everything, and the Kazakhs say they are not grateful hmm ... So those Russians just live in Kazakhstan and take advantage of what they built. And the Kazakhs, in fact, all perfectly understand and recognize, but do not tolerate treatment with a high. There is no need to play a white man with his mission, play somewhere else. The world is changing, and instead of nostalgia for the old, it would be better to come up with something new, also together!
    1. alynin
      alynin April 10 2014 14: 00
      0
      The Russians live in Kazakhstan and this should be thankful to Nazarbayev, who backed the radicals back in the nineties. But Nazarbayev is not eternal and soon other people will influence politics.
      1. their
        their April 10 2014 14: 07
        -5
        In the 90s, has tamed the radicals? Therefore, the Russians must have left in large numbers ...
        1. Lindon
          Lindon April 10 2014 14: 56
          +6
          The Germans are not Russian - more than 1 million left them the most.
          Accounting led the government of Germany. Now they all live on benefits and yearn for Kazakhstan.
          A former citizen of Kazakhstan, now a citizen of Germany, submitted an application for political asylum and citizenship of Kazakhstan, Kostanay Zhaukazin Mukhtar, spokeswoman for the Special Administrative Court, told News-Kazakhstan News Agency.

          “The man arrived in Kazakhstan on 18 of September 2011 of the year and received a private visa valid for 8 of November 2011 of the year. However, he did not extend the time limit for temporary registration, thereby violating the rules of his stay in Kazakhstan, for which he was arrested for one day on March 4. He lives with his parents in Kostanay, ”Mukhtar told the agency.

          According to her, in court he submitted a statement, written earlier to the Kostanay city police department, on granting him political asylum and citizenship of Kazakhstan, explaining the request with a violation of his rights in Germany. However, the men did not accept the application in court.
        2. foxxi
          foxxi April 11 2014 08: 55
          +1
          how to explain that ... they left in the 90s because everything was bad, there was no work, everything collapsed, in the literal and figurative sense of the word, but not in terms of interethnic strife, but for economic reasons, so people fled from this .. . there was a sea of ​​crime ... the same racketeering ... but for me then that the Russian athlete was a racketeer, that the Kazakh racketeer was all the same, all one "brothers" both wanted to profit at my expense ... and then I did not distinguish between them nationally, and now the same thing ... he is a bandit and a bandit in Africa.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS April 10 2014 14: 12
        0
        Quote: alynin
        The Russians live in Kazakhstan and this should be thankful to Nazarbayev,


        Nazabaev more cunningly and imperceptibly gets rid of everything Russian and Soviet, the same happens with the Russian population of Kazakhstan, it seems that Kazakhstan needs and does not need it, and immigration continues and not only for economic reasons.
    2. their
      their April 10 2014 14: 01
      -4
      This is some kind of transcendental hypocrisy, Who looks at whom from high? It is you who call yourself the titular nation, and some of you called the Russians invaders! and even now my acquaintances in KZ complain that they hear "Orys" and other nationalism in their address.
      Russians in Kazakhstan only because there is no money to leave, a hopeless situation for people. I'm not talking about the 5% that you allowed to do business feeding from him.
      1. reality
        reality April 10 2014 14: 05
        +5
        But nothing that I am Russian?
        1. their
          their April 10 2014 14: 11
          -7
          So you are Russian, a collaborator on the salary of the occupiers, otherwise I can’t call it.
          1. reality
            reality April 10 2014 14: 49
            +11
            You would see me, you would be ashamed, but okay. Once you have a mambet once, fuck off ** or that’s all, all Kazakhs are bad.
            When the skins in Moscow beat all Asians, they are just skins, you cannot judge all Russians from them, you say so?
            They didn’t beat me, but I heard nationalist nasty things about me. Now I often see them in the eyes of some. But I live here, because I was born here, and my parents.
            And you, throwing your loud accusations against the Kazakhs, could also take into account what a stupid bear service you render to us, those who stayed.
            1. foxxi
              foxxi April 11 2014 09: 03
              +2
              By the way, these misunderstandings have always been, even under the Union ... often it was the Kazakh Germans who sinned about this ... I remember there was a whole street in the village, I don’t remember the official name, but it was unofficially called little Berlin, only Germans lived, well, nothing, young people from others streets (by ethnic composition there are Russians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians, Belarusians and others, even the Germans were not living in this "enclave") often fought with the young inhabitants there, especially after watching films like "Three Tankmen and a Dog" or "Liberation" but nothing more ... But nothing more, people had enough wisdom not to indulge in the nonsense of nationalism ..
          2. Lindon
            Lindon April 10 2014 14: 53
            +2
            Said a German living in Germany for benefits.
            1. marshes
              marshes April 10 2014 15: 09
              +6
              Quote: Lindon
              Said a German living in Germany for benefits.

              He is unlikely to be German, if you look at the history of comments, he is British, American and Kazakhstani. smile True anti-Semite. Although ...
              sus DE April 5, 2014 12:49 | The idea of ​​closing McDonald's in Russia
              I confirm that in Israel, some of the best Shaverms in the world, And also the most delicious McDonald's, at least for me. It is a pity that there is no such thing in Russia
              smile
              1. their
                their April 10 2014 15: 40
                -6
                Of course, traveling around Israel I felt like a Zionist, and an occupier of Arab lands and illegally renamed cities and streets. Kazakh trace however, can Jews descend from Kazakhs?
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            3. their
              their April 10 2014 15: 18
              -6
              Yeah, and now I’m probably a resident of Zurich, an oligarch ...
          3. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ April 10 2014 16: 16
            +7
            Quote: sus
            So you are Russian, a collaborator on the salary of the occupiers, otherwise I can’t call it.
            In the photo, my great-great-grandfather and great-great-grandmother. I am here in the fourth generation, and Kazakhstan is my homeland.
            1. Guard
              Guard April 10 2014 23: 18
              +6
              Quote: Andrey KZ
              In the photo, my great-great-grandfather and great-great-grandmother. I am here in the fourth generation, and Kazakhstan is my homeland.

              My respect to you. Here with such people you can be calm for the country. This is a Russian person. And it’s not a rickety fool, who does not know the history of his country, nor his homeland, nor his family, and therefore barks at all, as befits a stray dog.

              Learn, sus, what a real Russian person should be like. Of you, sus, the Kazakhstani did not work out, and the Russian is useless of you. Wherever you move, everywhere you will be shala-adam.
        2. Turkir
          Turkir April 10 2014 15: 56
          +1
          So write to us what really happens then, and we won’t tell anyone. wink
      2. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ April 10 2014 16: 09
        +7
        I hear "orys" addressed to me, so what? Is this nationalism? I also hear from the Kazakhs such expressions - "the Russian people are a great people", "if you don't believe the Russians, then who should you believe", "I believe you, because you are Russian" "Russians can do everything" and so on. to relate to this? About 5% are also past the checkout, most of the Russians are either in a well-paid job or in their own business, I have not seen Russians sweeping the streets.
      3. kosta_cs
        kosta_cs April 11 2014 10: 04
        +2
        And what is so shameful to be called Orys? Orys is Russian in Kazakh. It never occurred to me to be offended if they called me a Kazakh. Kazakh is Kazakh in Russian.
      4. Aydar
        Aydar April 11 2014 10: 21
        +1
        Orys means Russian.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS April 10 2014 14: 16
      -4
      Quote: reality
      There is no need to play a white man with his mission,


      But mission all the same it was and we "brought" it to you: science, medicine, education and preservation of your ethnos and land.
      1. reality
        reality April 10 2014 14: 53
        +4
        Will you take it back?
        1. RUSS
          RUSS April 10 2014 15: 31
          -2
          Quote: reality
          Will you take it back?


          No, we will not pick it up - we donate it like many for free, and your minuses are from ignorance and lack of counterarguments.
          1. Ratio
            Ratio April 10 2014 15: 43
            +10
            Just the same, they are trying to correctly explain to you, but on your part, a demonstration of ignorance of the situation and offended opuses. It’s bad luck, the Russians in Kazakhstan are happy with everything, but those who ran away because they live hard, do not plow the TV, and there are few sausages with butter - everything is bad, you see the streets are renamed. Kazakhstan gained independence and has the right to rename the streets and increase culture, because, as I said below, this cultural and ideological hole will be occupied by other people's thoughts from behind the hill. How did it happen with Ukraine.
            1. Aydar
              Aydar April 11 2014 10: 24
              0
              cowards ran away, and those afraid of difficulties
          2. reality
            reality April 10 2014 16: 26
            +8
            Well, if you give, then what is the conversation about? If for free, then what are you sighing about, where is the injustice? They do not regret gifts if they are from the heart.
            You are clearly older than me. Why live in the past?
            Cons do not scare me, and in ignorance I can not surpass you, fortunately.
    4. Dmitry Toderes
      Dmitry Toderes April 10 2014 15: 33
      +1
      And didn’t you think about why Russia became an Empire and why did all the military campaigns happen? How many times have they attacked Russia and how many times have they attacked Kazakhstan? The conquest of enemy lands is the self-defense of the Russian State, which simply had to conquer, otherwise again campaigns in Russia, raids, etc.
      Well got it?
      1. Guard
        Guard April 10 2014 23: 29
        +4
        Persians, Arabs, Chinese, Jungars, Manchus, Macedonian tried to run into Kazakhstan, which is located in the middle of Eurasia, and God knows who. Happiness did not smile at anyone. Only the nomad Turks, who are accustomed to conquering, managed to gain a foothold on this land 2000 years ago, assimilating the indigenous Scythian nomads. The rest either got the teeth, or stood at the boundary and hesitated - turned back.
        But the "Kazakh" Turks themselves more than once trampled the roads to Europe and Asia, to the North and South.
        And no matter how the Russians boasted of their Empire, the Kazakhs in general have lived in them since the time of the Huns and the Turkic Haganate. Only 300 years ago the Russians took the palm, which mentally became very similar to the steppes. Brothers in imperial spirit)))) Maybe in a couple of centuries, again we will dominate our eternal empire, and then in 500 years again Russians))) One fig difference - one and a half thousand years the same external perimeter of the border))) Turkic Kaganate - Ulug Ulus (Empire of Genghisides) - Russian Empire - USSR - Eurasian Union.
        1. foxxi
          foxxi April 11 2014 09: 16
          +2
          it is a symbiosis, not a confrontation ...
        2. Aydar
          Aydar April 11 2014 10: 26
          +1
          we will dominate if we count how many people from Central Asia go there and call the second homeland. to calculate the birth rate, then Muslims are always higher
  31. siberalt
    siberalt April 10 2014 13: 45
    -1
    Eurasian Union. Russia is located in Europe and in Asia. And what is the union here? Or just emphasize the role of Kazakhstan? So it is partly in Europe. And so, if you bow to someone, then the Union should call it the same. Or Chinese or Russian.
  32. Sars
    Sars April 10 2014 13: 51
    -2
    Kazakhs are all, of course, great patriots of Kazakhstan, but as soon as possible move to Russia, or send their children to us to study.

    Regarding the heir to Comrade Nazarbayev: persistent rumors are circulating that Comrade Putin urged the elbas not to build a hereditary sultan!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS April 10 2014 14: 08
      +1
      Quote: SarS
      Putin urged the elbas not to build a hereditary sultan!


      There is a completely normal example in Azerbaijan where the Aliyev dynasty is in power, I think that Ilham Aliyev is the most adequate politician and leader of the Transcaucasus.
    2. Zymran
      Zymran April 10 2014 20: 37
      +4
      Quote: SarS
      Kazakhs are all, of course, great patriots of Kazakhstan, but as soon as possible move to Russia, or send their children to us to study.


      What kind of nonsense?
    3. Guard
      Guard April 10 2014 23: 37
      +4
      do Kazakhs move to Russia? not even funny.
      and go to study at Russian universities. but after graduation you don’t stay.

      Well, and about Putin's advice-it’s completely ridiculous. Nazarbayev has been at the helm since perestroika times. not Putin advice to give Nazarbayev. Nurek likes Lee Kuan Yew more, who for decades ruled Singapore and created candy from it.
    4. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 10: 27
      -2
      do not go to our advice, who is Putin? ordinary grushnik. which saves Russia from collapse, but it seems everything is on the contrary
  33. Aldo
    Aldo April 10 2014 13: 51
    +1
    Quote: sus
    Yeah, tell me what else you created the city, and rebuilt them. Or do you think there that the Russians built cities for you and dumped them? The Russians saved you from extinction and protected, sheltered in the cities, gave the culture, and in response you squeezed them out of their native cities. Now, hurry up to populate some kind of oralmans who are uncultured and introduce laws against separatism.

    You and the story is the same as in Ukraine, 90% myths and tales ...


    Whom from whom and when did you protect, give specific evidence?
    We did not rob the Russians of the Russians, they still live there, no need to distort and misinform the people.
    As for history, I will say one thing that the stories of all peoples are mixed with fairy tales, this is called the fusion of history with ideology.
    For example, the presentation of the contribution of the USSR in the victory over the Third Reich varies significantly in the curriculum of the Russian Federation and the USA. And the truth is somewhere in between. Also, the Battle of Kulikovo, which is considered the victory of the Russians over the Golden Horde, while it was just a feud, where on both sides the Russians and the Golden Horde were.
    1. alynin
      alynin April 10 2014 14: 06
      +12
      Come on, argue, Russian and Kazakh are brothers forever.
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      2. Sars
        Sars April 10 2014 14: 13
        0
        Dear, Kazakhs would have hammered all your teeth, he said differently.
        1. their
          their April 10 2014 14: 23
          -2
          In childhood, not only Kazakhs aul teeth knocked out in my childhood, I remembered it for life. And now, trolls are shamelessly commenting on me here because they have erased the history of my city and my ancestors, renaming cities, streets, demolishing monuments. The Nazis did not do this, and even the Americans, occupying California, left Fort Ross and Moscow in the Bohemian Valley, but how many years have passed !.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS April 10 2014 14: 44
            -5
            Quote: sus
            for erasing the history of my city and my ancestors, renaming cities, streets, demolishing monuments


            They are etching out all the Russian clear matter, and we are brothers forever in "ears blowing", now they want to switch to the Latin alphabet, maybe we can switch to the Latin alphabet, you see, the Kazakhs will leave the Cyrillic alphabet alone so as not to be like we have with the Russian in Latin.
            1. Aydar
              Aydar April 11 2014 10: 29
              -1
              another brainwashed
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            1. Canep
              Canep April 10 2014 15: 06
              +5
              The key word is "in childhood" who during this happy time did not fight, but the person got stuck that he was beaten by Kazakhs. In the army, we, too, drunkenly staged a fight with the Kazakhs, but we were all separated by the Russians and the Kazakhs, well, we had fun, anything can happen.
              1. Ratio
                Ratio April 10 2014 15: 21
                +3
                Ahaha, everything is clear. I thought these people had deeper grievances.
              2. ziqzaq
                ziqzaq April 10 2014 16: 18
                +2
                Quote: Canep
                In the army, we, too, drunkenly fought Kazakhs, but we were all separated by Russians and Kazakhs, well, we had fun, anything can happen.

                And in our army, the Kazakhs, together with the Russians, fought against the Caucasus until they proved that it was better not to touch ... Then they lived nothing, together ...
                1. Guard
                  Guard April 10 2014 23: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: ziqzaq
                  And in our army, the Kazakhs, together with the Russians, fought against the Caucasus

                  and sho is characteristic, in one hundred percent of cases when Kazakhs, Russians and Caucasians fight, the steppes with the Slavs always act together.
                  1. foxxi
                    foxxi April 11 2014 10: 01
                    +1
                    it's genetics intervening ... blood is not water ...
              3. foxxi
                foxxi April 11 2014 09: 23
                +3
                yeah ... it’s correctly noticed ... the only trouble is that in the army, in fights, the seven-Palatine bear Nikolaev was covering my back, and I told him! and all sorts of stupid things didn’t occur to us then ... when his fellow Kazakh from another part broke his jaw in a fight, and in the army environment of that time it was very difficult to get medical help with such an injury, I solved this problem for him according to my appeal it is precisely this inflicter of harm, and after that to say that we do not care — utter stupidity, or these people are unfortunate and have not seen anything good in their life, they were not lucky ...
          3. Aydar
            Aydar April 11 2014 10: 29
            0
            since you were beaten, then there was a reason. Do not look at people with high !!!
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    3. their
      their April 10 2014 15: 42
      0
      You better tell me first what relationship does KABANBAY Batyr have to Ust-Kamenogorsk. And who was behind this renaming?
      1. Walking
        Walking April 10 2014 15: 54
        0
        Ust-Kamenogorsk renamed? No, have not heard.

        Where do you get this from?
        1. reality
          reality April 10 2014 16: 27
          +1
          Well, yes, in Uskaman, you don’t know))))
        2. foxxi
          foxxi April 11 2014 09: 24
          +1
          don’t say ... apparently brought forty on the tail ...
      2. Guard
        Guard April 10 2014 23: 44
        +5
        Quote: sus
        You better tell me first what relationship does KABANBAY Batyr have to Ust-Kamenogorsk.

        The most direct. He comes from those places. And his kind of nyman has been living there since time immemorial. And what does your family have to Ust-Kamenogorsk?
    4. Turkir
      Turkir April 10 2014 16: 11
      +1
      Ah, the truth in the middle? You ate four cutlets, I'm zero. According to statistics, we ate two cutlets. So it is with America and its victory over the 33rd Reich.
      You yourself ask a question, and in what year, did the Americans land in Europe during the second, so to speak, World War? When did they ever see the first German soldiers?
      And with the Golden Horde? Are you all descendants of Genghis Khan? Those. are each other's relatives?
      But with Mamai, I will make you laugh. Ivan the Terrible, like everyone had a mother, her name was Elena Glinskaya and she was a descendant .. Mom.
      What a horror! And the descendant of Mamai came and took Kazan and said that it belonged to him by right. And us, in Russians, Kazan is still offended.
      And why be offended by a related showdown. wink
  34. sazhka4
    sazhka4 April 10 2014 14: 02
    +1
    They buried tanks along the Syr-Darya River .. Not the best option .. Moreover, stupid .. Who was going to fight with whom? I lived here and here and there. Ordinary people .. Do the Russians want WAR? ..
    Do Russian wars want to happen?
    Ask you for silence
    over the expanse of arable land and fields
    and birches and poplars.
    You will ask those soldiers,
    that under the birches lie
    and let their sons tell you
    Do the Russians want war.

    Not only for your country
    the soldiers died in that war
    and so that people of the whole earth
    could easily dream.
    Under the rustle of leaves and posters
    You sleep, New York, you sleep, Paris.
    May your dreams answer you
    Do the Russians want war.

    Yes, we know how to fight,
    but do not want to again
    soldiers fell in battle
    to his sad land.
    You will ask your mother,
    ask my wife
    and then you must understand
    Do the Russians want war.

    1961 Evgeny Evtushenko
  35. Revmirovich
    Revmirovich April 10 2014 14: 03
    +2
    Quote: siberalt
    Eurasian Union. Russia is located in Europe and in Asia. And what is the union here? Or just emphasize the role of Kazakhstan? So it is partly in Europe. And so, if you bow to someone, then the Union should call it the same. Or Chinese or Russian.

    Yes, it's a normal name.
    An alliance with oneself alone cannot be. Russian- it already looks like great-power Russian chauvinism in the bad sense of this phrase.
    It is clear that Russia is the backbone of the future Union. To which are joined both European and Asian republics. So far, this name is conditional, by geographical sign.
    Then linguists will come up with something more suitable.
    Chinese?
    It will never be. You just don’t know who the Chinese are
  36. Ratio
    Ratio April 10 2014 14: 23
    +13
    Generally speaking, it’s a shame to hear any kind of criticism from our Russian or Russian colleagues. Do you know why Russians are not loved in small fraternal republics? For your attitude to them, great-power, here we are real, and you are shit, and you have no right at all to any of your interests. Kazakhstan during the time as part of the USSR has experienced many events that can be described both on the good side and on the bad side. Let’s say Khrushchev’s development of virgin lands, after which a lot of fertile land in Kazakhstan was eroded, or famine, or the domestic war, there were many drawbacks, but there was also a lot of good. The Kazakhs are grateful for this, and yes, I see nothing wrong with the fact that such a large state like ours wants to see its national leader at the head of the country, because this is not due to the fact that we are all crazy nationalists, but because it gives at least some guarantees that this person will really develop his state.
    At the expense of built schools, cities. What do you want? What would we destroy it all? Kazakhstan paid for everything that we have with our raw materials, human resources and other similar coins. Renting Baikonur is generally a zilch in the Kazakhstani economy, I don’t understand why Russian offenders so often like to talk about it. Limonov is generally a stupid person, one cannot even believe that someone is able to listen to him.
    By the way, about the Soviet past, I have nothing against and, in principle, I think that everyday nationalism is to some extent natural, in the past the population of Kazakhstan was stupid, therefore trusting, but hospitable, and the Russian colonialists of that time treated the Kazakhs as third-rate people, which I will repeat myself normally in those conditions, but even after the Second World War, a similar attitude remained towards the population, even towards those who had a higher education, more or less gently relations between Russians and Kazakhs developed in Almaty and in the north of Kazakhstan. Even when I was in school, ethnic Russians were more eager to be friends with each other; in high school it was already better. Perhaps the problem is in yourself? Perhaps you yourself do not know how to be friends? I have five best friends in my company, and they are all Russian, although there is no one - Pole, ahah, and they do not understand people like "SUS" who rock the boat in which everyone is sailing, you never thought comrade SUS that you were a provocateur ?
    1. foxxi
      foxxi April 11 2014 09: 26
      +1
      no, here the reason is children's fears and grievances ... you have a complex, my friend ...
      1. Ratio
        Ratio April 11 2014 17: 16
        +1
        Quote: foxxi
        no, here the reason is children's fears and grievances ... you have a complex, my friend ...

        Do I have a complex? Yes, everything seems normal.
  37. Gunxnumx
    Gunxnumx April 10 2014 14: 26
    +9
    I believe that Russia and Kazakhstan are fraternal states and peoples. We have a lot in common: history, culture, mentality. My grandfathers fought in the Great Patriotic War. And you have to live accordingly. And there are enough freaks everywhere. The real cause of all unhealthy situations is socio-economic problems and outside influences. Together we can overcome everything. "Challenges" as it is now fashionable to say)) Than to sort out mutual grievances and disagreements - it is better to remember what unites us. And this, I am sure, will be much more. I am Kazakh, born in 1970, grew up in the USSR and have always been proud of my big homeland. I want to pass this on to my children as much as possible. I think this is important because 1-2 generations after perestroika are in the "risk group" and through them serious upheavals in our relations are quite likely (Allah forbid (God, Zeus, Manitou, ...)
    1. Ratio
      Ratio April 10 2014 14: 31
      +6
      Here I am about the same. Union, this is similar to friendship, it is necessary to support each other, and not to reveal some far-fetched and ancient insults.
    2. their
      their April 10 2014 14: 50
      -5
      I also like the Kazakhs well, we have a lot in common, but explain to me why it was necessary to rename the city streets and destroy what was not built by you? What is erasing history? After all, we have a lot in common, why was there MUCH Russian heritage to DESTROY?

      It is possible and necessary to cooperate with you, but only if you compensate for the illegal renaming of cities, streets, the demolition of historical monuments, for squeezing out Russians and for infringing rights.
      1. Ratio
        Ratio April 10 2014 15: 03
        +9
        After the collapse of the union, the population suffered a tremendous cultural and ideological shock. The ideology of the population needed to be filled with something, by the way, Russia still has problems with this and the Russian Orthodox Church is trying to fill this hole now. People’s faith in the USSR disappeared and all the dirt surfaced, namely dirt, people no longer tried to adequately evaluate their history, because people felt a terrible insult to what they believed in. The idea of ​​national unity was the first, after which came the idea of ​​international and friendship of peoples, by the way, Kazakhstan achieved good successes in this area. If at least some ideology had not been developed, then it would have been filled from without. Kazakhstan was then a child, and now Kazakhstan is a teenager, the enemies did not doze off and there were several projects. The first idea and the most powerful, after the collapse and the moment when Russia began to deal with its problems and left Central Asia, the idea of ​​pan-Turkism from Turkey, Turkey developed a concept that Azerbaijan incidentally fell into, about a single Turkic-speaking space, something like the Caliphate, Iran in the same tried to impose religious influence, which also spread throughout Uzbekistan and only swept the south of Kazakhstan. China, just illegally populated the East. Therefore, the ideology of Kazakhstan was very important, and it was not done against the Russians, but for the sake of Kazakhstan, one that inhabits it and now inhabits.
        And the second point is the "heterogeneity" of the Kazakhstani government, which competes with each other.
        1. Turkir
          Turkir April 10 2014 16: 17
          +1
          Grateful. You are a good analyst.
          1. Ratio
            Ratio April 10 2014 16: 25
            +3
            This is you to me, if to me, thanks. And I also forgot to talk about the idea of ​​the tribal separation of western Kazakhstan, which is now hanging in the air, it began very recently and the essence of this program, the separation of Western tribes from the other part of the Kazakhs, is interpreted as true true Kazakhs, Western Kazakhs, Kazakhs of the north and east are prostitutes of the Slavic world sold, and the south is China litter, just when I read something like this was. In general, it’s quite funny and interesting, attempts are made by unsuccessful attempts to quarrel first with Russians and then with Kazakhs themselves.
      2. Guard
        Guard April 10 2014 23: 48
        +3
        Quote: sus
        I also treat Kazakhs well

        And the Kazakhs for some reason are not very good to you. Personally, I would once again give those to the teeth. So that his broken childhood is not forgotten.
        Only the fact that the Kazakhs do not digest you has nothing to do with your ethnic origin.
        1. foxxi
          foxxi April 11 2014 09: 29
          0
          just so ... because as a person, he is somehow not very ...
      3. foxxi
        foxxi April 11 2014 09: 28
        +1
        but it didn’t occur to me that the renaming might have a very specific economic interest of certain initiators ... after all, how much money is needed ... and where the money is, there are Mona’s hands to warm ... believe not Mona’s current, but also Nuna ... warm well ...
    3. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov April 10 2014 15: 54
      +1
      Maybe it's time for everyone to finally become part of Russia? And to truly make a superpowerful and strong country, huh? Ato-from the USSR, they shared and play some kind of alliances, and evil (full of words from the bottom of my heart to the west, they don’t let me pass here, except for the mat, there’s nothing to this west west) full-time, the west is trying to push us all the time foreheads and tacnas, as exemplified by Ukraine, Georgia. And then, already jumping in ecstasy, they say, former friends and brothers fight among themselves and shoot one at one. Ugh, shame on us, shame on us, brothers. This should never be. When, when will we stop treading on the same rake? When will we stop fighting against each other, when will our enemies stop pitting us against each other? How much more do we need to lay and destroy Napoleon, Hitler, Ottomans, Mongols, Poles


      , the Teutons, the Germans and God knows who, so that we have chopped enough cones for ourselves, having studied history, finally learned to live in peace, remembering and knowing well on our mistakes and blood, that unity is our strength, how long will we step on the rake ? Why doesn't history teach us anything? AAA? What, all the nonsense, or what? Why, why the hell are we-brothers-pouring Molotov cocktails on each other, (Ukraine) ?? When will I see - that we are all together - one, and when will the West pay for its evil? When in the west, black niggas pour Molotov cocktails on white Yankees and shout "Glory to the Indians!" and "Glory to Russia" When will I hear this? When the hell is our golden age? When will they stop pushing our heads against each other, when will we stop fighting each other to the delight of our enemies ??? When????????????
      1. Aydar
        Aydar April 11 2014 10: 33
        -2
        no thanks. !!! if union, then on equal terms.
  38. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 10 2014 14: 27
    +7
    Nice pacifying article. But I am interested in why out of 6 million Russians there are only 3. The further fate of the participants in the movement "Rus" and its leader Pugachev. And finally, what will happen to the Russians after Nazarbayev.
    1. Ratio
      Ratio April 10 2014 14: 34
      +7
      Nothing will happen, the mechanism is up and running, everything is going to unite, I think the authorities will have the same person as Nazarbayev, pragmatic, rational. And as for the Russians who left, they left, by the way, not from pressure from the state, but because it was rather difficult to live here, and the majority did not leave by the way to Russia, but to Germany.
      1. Walking
        Walking April 10 2014 15: 50
        +4
        They left mainly from not fame, not confidence in the future, fearing a repetition of what was happening in some republics of the former USSR. In Kazakhstan, fortunately, we managed to prevent this.
    2. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 10: 34
      +2
      give birth a little !!! therefore not enough.
    3. kosta_cs
      kosta_cs April 11 2014 10: 49
      +5
      Let me give you one example. In the 90s we lived in a village in the village of Koskol, Kostanay region, a so-so village with 3 streets and about a hundred houses, about 150 km to the border with Russia, the nearest cities are Troitsk and Chelyabinsk. Those. almost at the side of Russia. Of these hundreds of families in the village, about 75% were Russians, the rest were Kazakhs mixed with Germans, Ukrainians and Koreans. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the economy stopped, the school was closed, there was no hospital even under the union, in the only store they hung a lock on the door, with work there was such a situation that an epic fight with a dozen men took place for a watchman's job at MTS. The first on skis were the Germans, who were called to Germany. By hook or by crook, they knocked out the right to resettlement. All those who left for Germany were jealous of black envy. I remember how in our children's company we discussed that Syoma, whose mother was German, was leaving for the Federal Republic of Germany and would now literally “... smear his ass with chocolate”. Some of the Russians who had relatives in Troitsk and Chelyabinsk also rushed there, there was work and life was easier. After the collapse of the ruble zone, when all Soviet rubles were transported to Kazakhstan, wild inflation began, money completely depreciated, for about a year everyone in the village switched to natural exchange, and in Russia at that time switched to new rubles. By the year 95, almost all Russians who had at least some opportunity to leave, left for Russia, there were only 2 Russian families left - the Dunaevs, whose father was engaged in bringing meat to Russia and the Sokolovs, a family of chronic drunkards, did not which had no material values. In 96, all the rest (2 Russian families, all Kazakh and 1 Korean) moved from there, including our family, to another village closer to Kostanay and a larger one, where the school, MTS, elevator were preserved and there was work. I heard that at the beginning of the XNUMXs the village was removed from the maps. he died out.
      Summary:
      1. on the example of my village, I can say that in the 90s Russians who could massively went to Russia for permanent residence, and the Kazakhs remained simply because they had nowhere else to go.
      2. They left leaving their homes and selling their property for nothing, almost like refugees - simply because there was no one to sell.
      3. The reasons for leaving were purely economic. It’s not even funny to say that our 8 Kazakh families intimidated and squeezed 7 dozen Russian families.
      1. Ratio
        Ratio April 11 2014 17: 23
        +2
        Quote: kosta_cs
        3. The reasons for leaving were purely economic. It’s not even funny to say that our 8 Kazakh families intimidated and squeezed 7 dozen Russian families.

        And laughter and sin. The village in which I spent most of my childhood, the mother’s native village near Atbasar also fell apart, I directly remember how some dismantled their houses on sleepers and roamed the world, almost like our ancestors with a yurt, only with such a large yurt. sad
  39. RUSS
    RUSS April 10 2014 14: 57
    +2
    Quote: ziqzaq
    Quote: RUSS
    Naturally, so every nation will say about itself, but what will others say about it?

    28 Panfilov’s say ....


    I did not say that Kazakhs are cowards or something like that, I just noted that the phrase is hackneyed - "understand the guys are not Kazakhs cowards, we cs ... who threatens, we will die but will not give up. "It's just that many peoples think differently about each other .... and tell me that I'm wrong?
    1. Ratio
      Ratio April 10 2014 15: 10
      +4
      Each village praises, so there is no need to extract from it beyond intellectual denials.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS April 10 2014 15: 35
        0
        Quote: Ratio
        Each village praises, so there is no need to extract from it beyond intellectual denials.


        If something can be refuted why not, for example, from "nothing to do"?
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq April 10 2014 16: 25
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      I did not say that Kazakhs are cowards or something like that, I just noted that the phrase is hackneyed - "Understand, guys, Kazakhs are not cowards, we ss ... who is threatening, we will die but will not surrender." It's just that many peoples think differently about each other .... and tell me that I'm wrong?

      Yes, in fact, I did not find anything incorrect in your phrase, I simply confirmed your thesis ......
  40. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 10 2014 15: 00
    +13
    There is no need to "cast a shadow over the wattle fence" - Kazakhstan is now a reliable ally of Russia. Not so long ago I had to visit and see everything with my own eyes. Yes! They sometimes take offense at seeing the blatant rudeness on the part of our drunken officials and especially businessmen who are visiting them. I myself was a witness and "calmed down" one Muscovite, everything turned out fine! You need to be friends with the Kazakhs, something, but they, like the steppe people, know how to value friendship.
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov April 10 2014 15: 22
      +5
      I agree. You are right. In general, there should be, as one people.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS April 10 2014 15: 38
      -3
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      Kazakhstan is currently a reliable ally of Russia


      Rather, a business companion on mutually beneficial conditions.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran April 10 2014 21: 44
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        Rather, a business companion on mutually beneficial conditions.


        More likely on conditions unfavorable for Kazakhstan, but favorable for its leadership and oligarchs.
  41. Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov April 10 2014 15: 08
    +4
    "- a ban on the use of traumatic weapons by the civilian population;

    - strict criminal liability for libel. "

    NUUU !? How much more in Russia will be fired from injuries and pistols? How many more civilians should be shot to ban civilians from carrying gunshots and injuries ??? There is nothing for Grazhadansky to carry weapons. Weapons should be worn: police, Army, military, FSB. And Grazhadansky should work well, have a good rest, and sleep well at night and walk everywhere and throughout the country at any time, day or night, and let children go without fear of walking around the country and at any time of the day or night. Not afraid that something will explode somewhere or someone will do something to the children.
    THIS IS SHOULD BE!
    Take away the trunks from the civilian population, completely throughout the country! I repeat, there is nothing Grazhadan-to carry weapons. Weapons should be worn: police, Army, military, FSB. And Grazhadansky-should work well, have a good rest, and sleep well at night and to walk everywhere and throughout the country at any time of the day or night and let children go without fear to walk around the country and at any time of the day or night. Not afraid that something will explode somewhere or someone will do something to the children.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS April 10 2014 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      How much more in Russia will be fired from injuries and pistols? How many more civilians should be shot to prevent civilians from carrying guns and injuries


      Knives, irons and clubs, etc. - are killed in Russia more than ten times more than from injuries.
      1. Alex Danilov
        Alex Danilov April 10 2014 16: 41
        +3
        And for this, introduce the death penalty for murderers. And show the whole country. So that everyone knows and understands that he will not be spared the threat of killing. The murderer must be executed.
        And about traumatism and a firearm, I said. In, take an example from us, from Belarus. A better police state than a gangster state. Peaceful, good, civil, their families and their children must be well protected, work well, have a good rest, sleep well at night and walk well throughout the country anywhere and at any time without fear.
  42. goody
    goody April 10 2014 15: 16
    +5
    "A good neighbor is half the happiness" hi
  43. mackonya
    mackonya April 10 2014 15: 36
    +1
    Conclusions, of course, were made not only by the CIS countries, but also by others (not Eurasian ones), in the post-Soviet space the feelings of "brotherhood of peoples" are very strong for too long and not only one generation was instilled in this and it takes more than a dozen years to destroy all this. The situation that has developed in Ukraine cannot develop in other CIS countries, too many conditions are needed for this. This and the border with "hostile" countries, the historical "unstable" region (Galicia and Lvov itself), a very high level of corruption in combination with the pre-default state of the economy. Of course, the current situation in Ukraine is very sad given the further development of the republic, and the further the current situation is destabilized, the more long-term will be the period of "decline"
  44. their
    their April 10 2014 16: 03
    -4
    Quote: reality
    Will you take it back?


    No, of course, we won’t take it, run away screaming yourself save the Russian brothers, take us under the protectorate ... not in the first.
    1. Ratio
      Ratio April 10 2014 16: 07
      +9
      You are so generalizing as if you have some kind of power and means. People like you will be the first to trumpet that you need to shut off oxygen or even bomb the territory of the union state, because you got your teeth knocked out in childhood and you have nothing to chew on Israeli bigmack.
    2. reality
      reality April 10 2014 16: 32
      +2
      If you are plus, then someone thinks the same. Hope in your soul, huh? It is sad that someone wants troubles in our country because of their own complexes.
    3. Walking
      Walking April 10 2014 16: 42
      +6
      You just come out with malice, bile towards Kazakhstan, the Kazakhs, maybe for such an attitude and bad words addressed to you and they knocked out your teeth in childhood?
    4. foxxi
      foxxi April 11 2014 09: 33
      +1
      yes, you are also an ulcer ... here you are all itching to ... they say the same ... brotherhood and friendship ... but does a brother and friend so itch ... "come running again ..". Where are you going to then .. and we, too, will not go anywhere .. from the submarine!
    5. Aydar
      Aydar April 11 2014 10: 36
      +1
      save your country from war.
  45. Mikuduk
    Mikuduk April 10 2014 16: 24
    -4
    Quote: Aldo
    Quote: sus
    Russian lands and regions were transferred to Kazakhstan within the framework of the then acting as subjects of the republic in the USSR. With the collapse of the USSR, Russia had to demand its return, but the seven-bankers hastened to sell everything with giblets.

    Now the Kazakhs cunningly introduce laws against separatism, populate the original Russian lands with strangers, thereby conducting a quiet occupation and squeezing out the Russians.


    When were they originally Russian? since the 18th century? And our Kazakhs (except for the Turkic peoples in general) have lived there since at least the 15th century. So do not lala. The fact that there are more Russians now is the merit of Stalin and Goloshchekin. According to the most conservative estimates, in the years 30-33 1,5 million Kazakhs died, more than 1 million were resettled in Uzbekistan and China. So guys, let's not raise the issue of land. You have enough of your land to process them better.

    Give at least one historical document that the lands in the Irtysh valley were Kazakh, until the founding of the Russian fortress near Lake Yamysh Lake in 1714.
    1. Guard
      Guard April 11 2014 00: 15
      +2
      Quote: Mikuduk
      Give at least one historical document that the lands in the Irtysh valley were Kazakh, until the founding of the Russian fortress near Lake Yamysh Lake in 1714.

      gyyy, sorry, and who on Irtysh invaded the adventurer Ermak soaked? ghosts? ))) the Kuchum Siberian Tatars are essentially the Kazakhs of the Middle Zhuz (Kipchaks, Argyns, Naimans, Kereis).
      1. Guard
        Guard April 11 2014 00: 25
        +2
        Since ancient times, Turkic tribes - Kimaki, then a host of Turkic tribes - Kipchaks, Kyrgyz and others lived on the Irtysh River. also on the Irtysh part lived Mongolian tribes. in later history, the Irtysh is a place where Kazakhs butted with dzhungars butted.
        By the way, what is it about "primordially Russian" rivers and lakes have such strange names - Irtysh, Yamysh ... Tobol, Ural / Yaik, Ob, Ishim, Baikal.
        And if you are from the Pavlodar region, then explain where the Ishim Tundyk, Aschisu, Shiderty, Olenty and Lakes Seleteniteniz, Kyzylkak, Zhalauli, Shureksor, Karasor, Zhamantuz, Kalkaman, Maraldy, Mildy, Azhbulat ... these Russian native people places - why didn’t they come up with more understandable names for them?
      2. foxxi
        foxxi April 11 2014 09: 35
        +1
        By the way, Ermak is also a dark horse ... dig a sooty pot ... bam and here it is ... damn it Yermek ...
      3. Aydar
        Aydar April 11 2014 10: 37
        -1
        Kipchaks, Argyns, Atygay, Konrat, and many
  46. Conrat83
    Conrat83 April 10 2014 17: 06
    +4
    Due to the peculiarities of nomadic culture, it was not particularly customary to document history, the history was transmitted mainly orally. As a rule, the authors of historical documents were sedentary neighbors - the Chinese, Persians, Uighurs, Sarts, and later Russians. Naturally, they were written from their own positions.
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov April 10 2014 17: 11
      +4
      Yes, maybe enough already to divide the couple between us? AND? Got it already! There are borders. Again, for the joy of the West, how will the sheep ram butt?
      , how much is already possible? AND? Dear God, well, now, at last, bring up people !!!
      1. Aydar
        Aydar April 11 2014 10: 38
        -1
        tell your neighbor to shut your mouth and not sow enmity.
  47. Conrat83
    Conrat83 April 10 2014 17: 14
    +3
    The role of historical documents was played by aksakals who knew where the graves of their ancestors were, where the ancestral pastures were, and who was whose ancestor was up to the 10th tribe.
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov April 10 2014 17: 18
      0
      Dude, so you can get to Adam and Eve. And in the end it turns out that FSE we are brothers and should live well and peacefully.
  48. Aldo
    Aldo April 10 2014 17: 31
    +2
    Quote: Turkir
    Ah, the truth in the middle? You ate four cutlets, I'm zero. According to statistics, we ate two cutlets. So it is with America and its victory over the 33rd Reich.
    You yourself ask a question, and in what year, did the Americans land in Europe during the second, so to speak, World War? When did they ever see the first German soldiers?
    And with the Golden Horde? Are you all descendants of Genghis Khan? Those. are each other's relatives?
    But with Mamai, I will make you laugh. Ivan the Terrible, like everyone had a mother, her name was Elena Glinskaya and she was a descendant .. Mom.
    What a horror! And the descendant of Mamai came and took Kazan and said that it belonged to him by right. And us, in Russians, Kazan is still offended.
    And why be offended by a related showdown. wink


    I mean every nation, when describing its achievements, tries to extol them while reducing the achievements of others. And about America in their textbooks they write that they made the main contribution through the support of the USSR and lend-lease, the Russian Federation writes that the Russian people won without mentioning the help and support of other peoples. virtually denying the contribution of Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Tatars, Jews, etc.
  49. Mikuduk
    Mikuduk April 10 2014 19: 05
    0
    Quote: Conrat83
    Due to the peculiarities of nomadic culture, it was not particularly customary to document history, the history was transmitted mainly orally. As a rule, the authors of historical documents were sedentary neighbors - the Chinese, Persians, Uighurs, Sarts, and later Russians. Naturally, they were written from their own positions.

    And you know that these, as you say, "settled neighbors" had historians, travelers. Even, for example, chroniclers from Europe traveled to China! In addition to written materials about everything they saw, they also made maps. And all this information is different from what the historians of modern Kazakhstan write, ..... from their own positions.
    1. Guard
      Guard April 11 2014 00: 28
      +3
      Don't be smart. Read Vostlit if you really want to know the history of Kazakhstan. There are a lot of materials about Kazakhstan, the authors of which are Turks, Arabs, Chinese, Mongols, Russians, Germans, etc.
  50. Zymran
    Zymran April 10 2014 20: 47
    +1
    Consequently, the Minister of Defense becomes primarily the Minister of Military-Technical Integration with Russia. Because the security of the southern border of Kazakhstan and the Caspian in principle, it is impossible to ensure only by Kazakhstan. The more intense the military integration of Kazakhstan and Russia, the greater the chances of successfully solving these problems.


    This is complete idiocy. The security of the southern borders we can do on our own, the same with the west. To deepen the military-technical integration of the Russian Federation means to commit a delayed suicide.
    1. Guard
      Guard April 11 2014 01: 47
      +4
      Bauyrym, I do not agree on the issue of military-technical integration. We need it. This does not mean that we do not need to cooperate with the West and the East, but the greatest benefit we can get in this area is only with Russia. The United States will definitely not transfer any technologies to us, Europe may sell something, but with an eye on the United States. And even then, essno, he will prefer to cooperate in a metered manner. But Russia is already ripe for the normal rapprochement of our military-industrial complex.
      By the way, long negotiations with Uralvagonzavod yielded results. BMPT "Terminator" will now be produced in Kazakhstan at the enterprises "Kazakhstan Engineering". Now it is the turn of the creation of TOC production.
      1. foxxi
        foxxi April 11 2014 10: 07
        +1
        to Uncle Sam's wagon train, remember Lend-Lease, they helped - but for money ... or rather even for gold, so it turns out that they helped and did not believe in the victory of the USSR ... and nothing changes ... and we are all potential enemies and smiling exactly they want to enslave and crush us ... so - an old friend, better than two new ones.
      2. Zymran
        Zymran April 11 2014 13: 37
        0
        Quote: Guard
        Bauyrym, disagree on the issue of military-technical integration. We need it. This does not mean that we do not need to cooperate with the West and the East, but we can get the greatest benefit in this area only with Russia. The USA will definitely not transfer any technologies to us, Europe - it might sell something, but with an eye on the States. Yes, and that, essno, prefers to collaborate in a dosed manner.


        The United States does not pose a military threat to Kazakhstan; it possesses the most modern and best technologies in the world. It is quite possible to cooperate with Europe. Isn't it wonderful to have Leopards in the tank forces, and Rafali or Gripen in combat aviation?
        We have already begun to cooperate with Turkey, Otokar is building a plant for the production of cobras. We recently signed an agreement with Israel.

        Quote: Guard
        By the way, long negotiations with Uralvagonzavod yielded results. BMPT "Terminator" will now be produced in Kazakhstan at the enterprises "Kazakhstan Engineering".


        BMPT "Terminator" is the same Lada-Kalina. Nobody needs nafig, even in Russia, but please push it to Kazakhstan.
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 11 2014 20: 24
          +2
          Quote: Zymran
          and in combat aviation "Rafali" or "Gripena"?
          The Gripen is ideal as a LFI (light front-line fighter), a cheap, single-engine multipurpose aircraft with a minimum operating cost of $ 4000 per hour of combat use. There is also a Chengdu J-10, but it is Chinese, which is naturally not comme il faut for ours .. Given that soon, in full growth, the question of replacing the MiG-29 will arise, which will most likely be replaced by the MiG-35. But, it will be expensive for a campaign, a little cheaper than the Su-35 ...
          Well, "Gripenes" can be assembled in Kazakhstan, Saab is more than anyone set up to dialogue with the buyer ..
          Quote: Zymran
          Isn't it great to have Leopards in the tank forces
          In the presence of thousands of T-72 .., which, after Western modernization, will have little to concede ..
          And, in general, it is most practical to modernize Soviet / Russian iron with the help of Western technologies, like "Galil" or:
          Airtronic (USA) launches its own version of the RPG-7. It’s called Mk.777, the same magnificent seven, only the trunk carbon fiber with a thin-walled steel liner и weighs only 3,5kg. (The classic RPG-7 weighs 6,3kg.), Accordingly, the entire range of shots from the RPG-7 fits it.
          Nayhas
        2. Conrat83
          Conrat83 April 14 2014 10: 16
          0
          "The USA does not pose a military threat to Kazakhstan"
          The US poses a hypothetical threat to any country with oil reserves.
          It is another matter that, given the current geopolitical situation, the Americans really cannot reach the center of the continent yet.