Military Review

Cooperation with Ukraine: engines

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The new Ukrainian authorities continue to threaten Russia with a break in military-technical cooperation. According to the Ukrainian press, at the end of March the concern “Ukroboronprom” stopped the delivery of military products to Russia. The acting head of this organization, Y. Tereshchenko, noted that the consequences of a break in cooperation will hit Ukraine as well, but there is no need to continue bilateral interaction. First Deputy Prime Minister V. Yarema also touched on this topic. According to him, to supply products that can be used against Ukraine to Russia is complete insanity.


After the collapse of the Soviet Union, independent Russia and Ukraine were able to maintain some production links, and for the past twenty-plus years they have successfully cooperated with each other. Cooperation consisted in the supply of one or another product, and in carrying out various works. For example, intercontinental ballistic missiles R-36М2, built at the Dnepropetrovsk plant "Yuzhmash", are still served by Ukrainian specialists. As for cooperation between defense enterprises, the order of 1300 Russian and Ukrainian organizations takes part in it.

Perhaps the most important article of cooperation between Russia and Ukraine in the military-technical sphere is engine building. As an example of the importance of such bilateral relations, one can cite the cooperation of the Russian aircraft industry and the Motor Sich Zaporizhia enterprise. Ukrainian motor builders supply 40% of their products to Russia. The share of Zaporozhye helicopter engines in the Russian aircraft industry reaches 70%. Thus, the termination of cooperation between the Russian United Aircraft Building Corporation and the Ukrainian enterprise Motor Sich will lead to a significant reduction in production volumes and, as a result, to a serious deterioration in economic indicators.

The management of the company “Motor Sich” understands the risks and a few weeks ago told about their plans. Zaporozhye engine builders are not going to refuse to cooperate with the Russian aircraft industry and intend to continue the implementation of all existing contracts. It should be noted that the refusal of “Motor Sich” to cooperate can have fatal consequences. The company receives about half of all necessary components from Russia. The state of the Ukrainian economy and industry is unlikely to quickly launch the production of all necessary components and assemblies. As for Russia, currently, work is underway to deploy the production of helicopter engines. During 3-4 years, the Russian industry can deploy full-scale production of the necessary engines.

The Russian United Shipbuilding Corporation is to some extent dependent on the Ukrainian enterprise Zorya-Mashproekt. Thus, in March, the Kaliningrad shipbuilding plant "Yantar" received several gas turbine engines for the 11356 frigates under construction. In addition, Ukrainian engines are supposed to be used on frigates of the 22350 project. A contract has already been signed for the supply of six power plants for ships of the 22350 project. To date, Russian shipbuilders have received two units M56, another one is currently under construction.

Last summer, it was reported that 97% of the production of the Zorya-Mashproekt plant was supplied to foreign customers. A considerable part of the products produced are orders of Russian enterprises. Ukrainian gas turbine engines and pumping installations are supplied both to shipbuilding plants and to various Gazprom facilities. As in the case of helicopter engines, the termination of the supply of products of the enterprise "Zorya-Mashproekt" will not benefit any of the parties.

It should be noted, not only the Russian industry depends on foreign engine-building. Since 1985, there has been an active exploitation of the Zenit family of launch vehicles. The construction of the missiles themselves was and is being conducted at the Yuzhmash plant in Dnepropetrovsk. At the same time, engines for missiles of the Ukrainian assembly are produced by the Khimki NPO Energomash named after Academician V.P. Glushko. Unique engines RD-171 are made only in Russia. Further construction of Zenit missiles is impossible without these engines.

Continuing the theme of cooperation with "Yuzhmash", we should again recall the joint work on the maintenance of missiles R-36М2. The Russian strategic missile forces are armed with several dozen products of this type that require appropriate maintenance. At the termination of cooperation with Ukraine, rocket maintenance will have to be carried out by Russian specialists. Ukrainian specialists, in turn, may remain without a substantial part of their income. Moreover, the plant "Yuzhmash" may lose just two items of income.

Unfortunately, the termination of military-technical cooperation between Russia and Ukraine in the field of various engines and other areas will affect the pace of production of certain types of domestic technology. At the same time, however, some work is being done, the purpose of which is to reduce or completely eliminate dependence on foreign products. It will take some time to carry out such programs, up to several years, depending on the type of imported products being replaced. Therefore, the rupture of relations in the next few months will hit the Russian defense industry. Fortunately, Ukrainian enterprises are not interested in the termination of cooperation, since such a step is dangerous for them. What will be the decision of both parties and its consequences - time will tell.


On the materials of the sites:
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat April 10 2014 08: 22
    +25
    We will develop our production, it will only benefit
    1. Duke
      Duke April 10 2014 08: 40
      +17
      Previously, the site of the Klimov plant in Shuvalvo was a branch, now it is becoming the main one. Underground stands for engine life tests have been created. The access roads are repaired.Klimov OJSC is a leading Russian developer of gas turbine engines, known throughout the world. It is part of the United Engine Corporation (JSC UEC) - a 100% subsidiary of JSC OPK OBORONPROM for the management of engine assets.
      1. Orik
        Orik April 10 2014 10: 29
        +11
        Quote: Duke
        Previously, the site of the Klimov plant in Shuvalvo was a branch, now it is becoming the main one. Underground stands for engine life tests have been created. The access roads are repaired.Klimov OJSC is a leading Russian developer of gas turbine engines, known throughout the world. It is part of the United Engine Corporation (JSC UEC) - a 100% subsidiary of JSC OPK OBORONPROM for the management of engine assets.

        I ride a bicycle there, not everything is as beautiful as in the picture, but a lot of new things have appeared.
        1. Ataman
          Ataman April 10 2014 21: 39
          +2
          The situation is developing in such a way that soon it will be necessary to make motors and missiles at the Russian factories "Motor Sich" and "Yuzhmash".
          1. Assistant
            Assistant April 10 2014 23: 04
            +1
            The situation is developing in such a way that soon it will be necessary to make motors and missiles at the Russian factories "Motor Sich" and "Yuzhmash".


            Motor Sich owns 59,5% of the shares of the Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant, last year they presented a joint Belarusian-Ukrainian version of the Mi-8 modernization. So at least on several issues it may well work with Russia through Belarus.
        2. Duke
          Duke April 10 2014 22: 31
          0
          Quote: Orik
          I ride a bicycle there, not everything is as beautiful as in the picture, but a lot of new things have appeared.

          I always go to Fizteh, there nearby.
      2. vostok1982
        vostok1982 April 10 2014 12: 39
        +13
        Do not rush much! All the same, soon the factories and shipyards of Novorossia will return to Russia. wink
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 April 10 2014 13: 24
          +7
          Quote: vostok1982
          Do not rush much! All the same, soon the factories and shipyards of Novorossia will return to Russia.

          He will return, I have no doubt
        2. Orik
          Orik April 10 2014 13: 31
          +2
          Quote: vostok1982
          Do not rush much! All the same, soon the factories and shipyards of Novorossia will return to Russia. wink

          So we are only in favor, but the supply pocket does not pull ...
        3. andreirib
          andreirib April 17 2014 11: 18
          0
          DO NOT WAIT FOR OCCUPIERS !!
      3. jjj
        jjj April 10 2014 13: 59
        +6
        By the way, smart people recalled that the first Soviet supertanker was built in Kerch. So, there is a suitable slipway for the construction of large-capacity ships. The sea is again warm. A large shipyard can be developed not from scratch. And to close the enterprises of the East on it, loading them with good work.
    2. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 10 2014 08: 54
      +13
      its production is already ready "Plant named after V.Ya. Klimov" to replace "Motor Sich".
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 April 10 2014 13: 28
        +7
        Quote: platitsyn70
        its production is already ready "Plant named after V.Ya. Klimov" to replace "Motor Sich".

        Only ordinary people will suffer from the actions of Yaytsenyukh and Torkchinov. What will they eat? Sorry for them.
        1. bvi1965
          bvi1965 April 10 2014 16: 56
          +4
          That's right, we will find a replacement for their products (we’ll buy or do it ourselves), but whether they will find new customers, and such large ones, is another question.
    3. omsbon
      omsbon April 10 2014 09: 37
      +13
      Quote: Good cat
      We will develop our production, it will only benefit


      In fact, it used to be done before, because where Ukraine was heading was visible for a long time! Now we must with all our might keep the southeast and we will save people from banderlogs and production.
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat April 10 2014 10: 25
        +7
        Duc and done, but the process is not fast.
        We are honest boys, and not some framers - we honor patents.
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 10 2014 08: 24
    +11
    For example, the R-36M2 intercontinental ballistic missiles, built at the Yuzhmash Dnepropetrovsk plant, are still serviced by Ukrainian specialists.
    And FOR THIS Russia paid to Ukraine annually - 10 million dollars ... Well, if the "kraina" does not need this money - my HELLO to them. Russia will use this money to support and develop its rocketry.
    1. Locksmith
      Locksmith April 10 2014 11: 40
      +6
      Duc ours are already building a new rocket, instead of the "voivode", everything will be of its own, so probably the Dnipropetrovsk people have begun negotiations with China on the sale of technology, it is a pity that people have no brains sad
  3. MAKSAK
    MAKSAK April 10 2014 08: 30
    +18
    It is necessary to build defense harracter enterprises on its territory, create jobs, train specialists, as our two allies showed us life: the army and the navy!
  4. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 10 2014 08: 40
    +3
    If the southeast is separated, then we will have to build less. We are very tied up with him. drinks
    1. saag
      saag April 10 2014 11: 02
      +4
      dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful to build illusions and live by their expectation
  5. Grbear
    Grbear April 10 2014 08: 59
    +5
    Such a policy of the "top" is another reason for federalization, it is possible without joining Russia. And you yourself should understand that "to spite mom's ears" is not a conversation of adults. They will squeeze - take people away, and we will buy machines. hi
  6. fregina1
    fregina1 April 10 2014 09: 22
    +15
    The main thing is people! The best employees, engineers, specialists should be lured into Klimov!
    1. Baikal
      Baikal April 10 2014 09: 37
      +10
      Exactly. Setting up boxes and stuffing machines in them is not a tricky business. But in the absence of professionals and caring people - there will only be a checkmark for reporting.
      1. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq April 11 2014 05: 19
        +1
        Quote: Baikal
        Exactly. Setting up boxes and stuffing machines in them is not a tricky business. But in the absence of professionals and people who care about their work, there will only be a checkmark for reporting.

        This is certainly correct, but there will be no more specialists in a clean field ...
        In this order:
        1- Deployment of production.
        2- Creating a working team, it is possible with the involvement of foreign specialists.
        3- Development of its design school in this direction ..
  7. loginovich
    loginovich April 10 2014 09: 23
    +15
    And who will work in Shuvalvo. For the production of rockets, qualified personnel are needed, I will add technically competent. Otherwise, the rockets will stop flying. To build a plant is only half the battle. The shots are everything. Among the sellers and bookkeepers you can’t find competent rocket designers.
    1. Good cat
      Good cat April 10 2014 09: 36
      +1
      There will be workers, we will grow our own
    2. Rominag
      Rominag April 10 2014 09: 45
      +6
      Quote: loginovich
      Cadres decide everything. Among the sellers and bookkeepers you will not find competent rocket engineers.

      Partly all of this is true.
      But on the other hand - it can hardly be said that this is impossible - it is difficult, but it is possible - and I don’t think that in Russia there are no competent engineers who can figure it out, but they exist only in Ukraine. It is clear that practice and experience are the most valuable in this matter - but what to do? if we let it really break off relations, put an end to everything and sob?
      Yes, and I think it’s not such an incredible move to lure some specialists for a good salary - and then they will figure it out further.
      And then with such categories - they would have ceased to fly into space already, for already some generations are replacing others during this time.
      1. andj61
        andj61 April 14 2014 16: 59
        +1
        They will figure it out, but time is expensive. In this industry, from the graduate of the university, the best become specialists in three years, and this, if there are already prepared qualified personnel for training in the work process.
    3. core
      core April 10 2014 09: 48
      +5
      what mess is going on now, the specialists themselves will come, and you won’t have to call.
    4. Polarfox
      Polarfox April 10 2014 09: 48
      +10
      Rocket builders will not be born. This time. We will teach our own. For a good fee, any specialists will go to work, including Ukrainian ones. These are two. There are no irreplaceable, these are three. No need to create insoluble problems on a political background.
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      2. Suhow
        Suhow April 11 2014 00: 43
        +1
        the above is true, but it takes time and resources, and the army needs to be re-equipped yesterday. although, unlike us, Russia is gradually rearming, and ours and the money raised are buying minor things (camouflage nets). are we needed?
    5. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 10 2014 11: 02
      +6
      Quote: loginovich
      And who will work in Shuvalvo. For the production of rockets

      It’s like they don’t make rockets
      Others we are engaged in missiles and successfully
      Pay normally and people will work, otherwise one young engineer wrote here that the salary is 20 rubles ....
      We need a competent financial policy. And then in the fuel and energy complex an engineer receives 50 rubles and in the defense industry 20-25
    6. kristofer
      kristofer April 10 2014 14: 00
      +8
      Engineering can be lured from Zaporozhye
    7. Mikros
      Mikros April 10 2014 15: 26
      +6
      Sam is a design engineer. Rocket science. I’m not working in my specialty, but if they say what I need ... We’ll do it. But those who have the machine, those few.
      1. operator_75
        operator_75 April 11 2014 02: 40
        0
        It is necessary to concentrate 99,99% of the defense industry and NGOs within Russia. Restore production, enlarge, improve the scientific and technical base, update personnel and learn new ones. When stopping production in Ukraine, we have an excellent opportunity to lure many specialists to our production. Creating conditions for people who know and need us is not so difficult. And if it is really necessary (my opinion is simply critical, vital), quickly create new NGOs and NPKs, a new arms race is ahead. Everything goes to this ...
        And in this case we have only what is left of the Union, which has survived the conversion, strangled and fragmented, with a lack of personnel and capacities. For example, there will be a need to urgently put into operation 1500 helicopters, and that’s it ... Kirdyk, we will collect it for three years, with marriage, returns, accidents during runs ... There was no BASE left for quickly and efficiently assembling the complex and necessary Country equipment in large volumes. And in general I am silent about the latest technology ... We are proud of single copies.
        And henceforth, do not create key industries near the borders ... The Great Patriotic War didn’t teach anything? Now, the collapse of the USSR also teaches: there should not be any key links in the military-industrial complex in the territories of even the most beloved brothers! Bus trams, please tanks and missiles must be assembled at home.
      2. santepa
        santepa April 21 2014 00: 45
        0
        dear you are my man !! I am a technologist and technologist of cold metal processing, studied in the USSR after the army, went to work at a factory, the cnc lathe operator worked for 2 years and left because of complete hopelessness in terms of growth (both career and financial) and this is in quite greenhouse conditions compared with today (I mean, though there was a illusory hope to get my apartment, sick-houses, pioneer camps for children, free education, etc.) And what’s interesting is what a turner of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd category can count on factory? in my opinion very little. everyone wants an ACCA programmer right away, and so that he already has an apartment in this city and that he doesn’t have too much salary, and that he agrees with the hardware and swims in the cooler, and read the drawings and specifications like a god. That's just such a rarity it’s great, and raising your own people is long, troublesome, and without a guarantee. It’s easier to grow cabinet managers. Another thing is when an eagle arrives who can hardly imagine what brinell and rockwell are, and what kind of methods these people have come up with, but wanting to manage the work of the machine shop is trouble! ! That's not for beckoning any kid to that workshop of a young kid
  8. Rominag
    Rominag April 10 2014 09: 40
    +3
    It is not yet known how events will go further. It is quite possible that they will continue to work further and cooperate, otherwise they will be covered.
    Let's say yesterday infa slipped that Ukraine seems to be asking for money from Russia again (if this is true, then it’s rather sad - not in the sense of asking for money, everything is clear - but who exactly to ask, from whom the enemy’s informational position is imposed).
    http://korrespondent.net/business/economics/3346983-ukrayna-prosyt-rossyui-vykup
    yt-oblyhatsyy-na-3-mlrd-doll-mynfyn-rf
    Apparently by the fact that no one else gives, although everyone promises. Here, too, one will have to moderate ambitions and backtrack.

    Another thing is that in the place of Russia - I would still distance myself from such a partner and switch to my own production - yes, I need money and time, to train personnel - but nothing is impossible - the documentation should be smart people too.
    1. wax
      wax April 11 2014 00: 50
      0
      This is one of the goals of the West - to ruin Russia by helping Ukraine, which it immerses in chaos. So far, Putin has written to the West that he will have to pay for gas.
  9. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake April 10 2014 09: 55
    +7
    The fact that military production, like the entire defense industry, should be inside the country, in my opinion and the fool, is clear.
  10. Leader
    Leader April 10 2014 09: 57
    +26
    This is a lesson for Russia - we don't have any friends! There is no Slavic brotherhood and other rubbish! And there is no need to feel sorry for anyone - they say, they are "zombified" .... No - they are! And h.r.u. with them!
    We also got off easy: we can do without the Mistrals, we can endure a year without engines.
    To build boxes of workshops, to start equipment is a trifling matter. And the frames ...
    In the USSR, this was solved simply - remember the expression "closed city"?
    For six months to a year, if it is vital for the country, build a city for 25-50t. residents are not a problem. And then offer qualified personnel from Ukraine to work at this plant. Salary - three times more than before! Or five times! + Full social package, social infrastructure, shops, kindergartens, schools ...
    I assure you that there will be no end to those who wish.
    How did Peter I attract specialists? Over the years, flooded the country.
    And now in the same Germany there are those who want to work for decent money in a normal country - without pederasts and lesbians, European officials and German bureaucrats ...
    Everything is solved!
    We would still have to shoot our thief officials - it would be very good ...
    In Russia there are no problems with qualified personnel, but there are problems with thieves at the top.
    Pay a turner 50-75t.r. - and tomorrow at the gates of the plant there will be a queue of people who want to stand ...
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m April 10 2014 11: 00
      -4
      Pay a turner 50-75t.r. - and tomorrow at the gates of the plant there will be a queue of people who want to stand ...

      And gasoline will cost 60-70r, bread 50-60, and the line will disappear sharply.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 April 10 2014 11: 09
        +7
        Quote: Mikhail M
        And gasoline will cost 60-70r, bread 50-60, and the line will disappear sharply.

        Native, in some sectors, the salary is about a hundred and bread has not risen in price
        In Auchan we have 2 loaves nearby: one costs 17 rubles, the other 30
        yes, for 17 rubles a little different, but they have the same taste and I take for 17
      2. builder74
        builder74 April 10 2014 20: 01
        +4
        Quote: Mikhail M
        And gasoline will cost 60-70r, bread 50-60, and the line will disappear sharply.

        Are you sure that the salary of the workers will lead to inflation? And the banking and managers do not affect this business? The specialist is EXPENSIVE!
      3. ele1285
        ele1285 April 10 2014 22: 04
        +3
        Quote: Michael m
        And gasoline will cost 60-70r, bread 50-60, and the line will disappear sharply.

        In Podolsk, at ZiO, they get a little less, and bread and gasoline do not rise in price. And the greed of "entrepreneurs" knows no bounds
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 10 2014 23: 17
      +1
      Quote: Leader
      And no need to feel sorry for anyone - they say, they are "zombified" ...

      Zombies need to be laid to rest in a headshot. So say the Americans.
    3. Suhow
      Suhow April 11 2014 00: 49
      +1
      FRIENDS ARE AND BROTHERHOOD IS -TIME ARE WAY WITHOUT. YE AND THE LAST 25-30 YEARS OF MANY HISTORICAL PERSONALITIES WERE US SHARED AND SHARE WHEN IT'S ALREADY DISPUTED, ??
    4. old man 72
      old man 72 April 11 2014 00: 53
      +1
      I agree with you Leader !!! Now, if, managers and all bureaucrats, give the salary of a well-paid worker, and make it dependent on the salary of the worker, then these manager-managers and bureaucrats would look into the pocket of hard workers, because that depending on the pocket of the hard workers, their salary also depended. And to cancel all the benefits for them, then they would have fought for the benefits of the hard workers. Although this seems utopian, it can really be done. And then the hard working producer is paid ten times less than bureaucratic consumer labor th.
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  11. not good
    not good April 10 2014 10: 23
    +1
    It is necessary, like Crimea, to squeeze out the main industrial regions from Kiev, and let the Natsik and the oligarchs devour each other, and we will get both factories and personnel.
    1. maximus235
      maximus235 April 10 2014 11: 04
      +2
      Do not squeeze, but simply pick up for debt.
  12. Polarfox
    Polarfox April 10 2014 10: 33
    +1
    Quote: MAKSAK
    we have two allies: the army and the navy!

    This is Alexander III said. Very wise words.
    Quote: Leader
    Pay a turner 50-75t.r. - and tomorrow at the gates of the plant there will be a queue of people who want to stand ...

    What am I talking about? With a good salary, there are specialists. No problem.
    1. santepa
      santepa April 21 2014 01: 26
      0
      the problem is expensive - what a problem !! It’s in small cities (t city-forming may not be a problem where there are one or two enterprises for the whole city) But like Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kaliningrad, etc. - this is a problem, and even a high salary will not solve it. a comprehensive approach is needed (providing housing, the interest of hard workers in a social package, complete not only for himself but also for his family, which can be decided only by a powerful union, the possibility of raising education) and, of course, the PRESTIGENITY of the working profession. perestroika and reshuffle (supposedly if you are a turner, then you’re a sucker!) - like you weren’t enough to learn how to be a lawyer or an economist or programmer-mind. And you’ve seen a lot lately people with coarse hands and weathered faces who would give Putin or Medvedev in the Kremlin and the country’s high awards .. only a chatter is heard sometimes (that they say yes, it would be necessary to have such a thing) And so long as this does not happen, it will be so (the Ulyanovsk aerial corridor needs 2014 people only in 500 only in specialties, and in the future 1500 people each year until 2025. Thank God there is no one to do, (unfortunately).
  13. ALEKS419
    ALEKS419 April 10 2014 10: 45
    +2
    Quote: Good cat
    We will develop our production, it will only benefit
    I think that after such events for everyone there will be a lesson. It is necessary to establish our own production. To provide people with jobs.
  14. KBPC50
    KBPC50 April 10 2014 10: 58
    +5
    Quote: loginovich
    And who will work in Shuvalvo. For the production of rockets, qualified personnel are needed, I will add technically competent. Otherwise, the rockets will stop flying. To build a plant is only half the battle. The shots are everything. Among the sellers and bookkeepers you can’t find competent rocket designers.
    In Ukraine, the latter will be left without earnings. People like fish - looking for where better. They will run to Russia. Opportunities are already being provided for them - both housing and citizenship! And no one, no one will ever tell them that Ukrainian songs are bad, that Ukrainian is bad. Nice little, sweet little zoryan ... !!! (sorry for spelling)
  15. tnship2
    tnship2 April 10 2014 11: 02
    +3
    This has already happened in the history of RUSSIA. Even from scratch, industries have grown. There are very educated young people in our country. This is just a matter of interest, a new business, ambitious projects, people, if their hearts light up, these motors will appear on their own in a year. Why then it’s not even in doubt. I judge by how people’s moods changed when they first started building a bridge to Russian in Vladivostok. The forum on VL.ru had so much skepticism that the mind was incomprehensible and now we all ride on a magnificent bridge and are not overjoyed. There is nothing not possible.
  16. shitovmg
    shitovmg April 10 2014 11: 26
    0
    It will be difficult, but this stage must be completed!
  17. inkass_98
    inkass_98 April 10 2014 11: 42
    +4
    As announced yesterday at a meeting of the Cabinet with the participation of Vovan Vovanych. The non-acid amount of our production contracts with Ukraine was announced - 15 billion Baku rubles. It is clear that not short-term contracts, but long-term ones, but the money is very decent. It seems that the junta consists of suicides who are ready to take the whole country with them - crawl on their knees in front of the West, lick his ass in search of the exact same amount, and at the same time try to cut the safety cable of Russian contracts, which still holds the country over catcher? The reorientation of Russian industry has already begun - to domestic capacities, to Belarus, etc. What will they eat in the Ruin, especially when the gas will go on a prepaid basis?
  18. Igor75
    Igor75 April 10 2014 11: 53
    +3
    These dolbo..by on the anti-Russian wave are ready to ruin the country's economy. It has long been clear to a normal person that Ukraine is economically completely tied to the Russian economy, and the main market is Russia.
    These zapadentsi already lifted up! Disconnect them in the Vinnitsa region. incl. from the rest of Ukraine, fuck ... they’re in the EU, and then there would be no one to muddle the water, would be!
  19. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa April 10 2014 12: 08
    +1
    According to him, to supply products to Russia that can be used against Ukraine is complete madness.

    It’s complete madness to refuse to supply the necessary to Russia and at the same time ask for cheaper gas and more money. Clowns.
  20. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav April 10 2014 12: 14
    +4
    Quote: Duke
    Previously, the site of the Klimov plant in Shuvalvo was a branch, now it is becoming the main one. It is part of the United Engine Corporation (JSC UEC) - a 100% subsidiary of JSC OPK OBORONPROM for the management of engine assets. [/ I]

    I work nearby. Yes, and there are friends there. The main problem, as elsewhere though, is qualified personnel.
    A lot of money is bukhan and everyone is happy.
    However, there are few or few good workers. Designers are also far from the sea.
    Many effective managers, koi and eat a huge piece of cake.
    It seems that so far the output of this project is not a lot!
  21. Const
    Const April 10 2014 12: 20
    +3
    Friends are not friends, brothers are not brothers - I carry all my things with me. It happened, the people of the outskirts refused to be RUSSIAN. Ukraine appeared. It is necessary to systematically translate or create substitute production at home.
    The old men told me that they used to burn houses, sheds, stables and cowsheds after leaving all the lime parasites in new places. Production must also be done. Just do not burn, the locals will do it themselves.
    1. operator_75
      operator_75 April 11 2014 02: 53
      0
      Why burn, level with the ground. Entire cities left in the GDR ...
  22. oldy
    oldy April 10 2014 13: 01
    +8
    In Omsk, in Soviet times, at the Baranov engine-building factory, motors for SU MiGs and helicopters were successfully manufactured; moreover, the plant was organized during the Second World War using equipment evacuated from Zaporozhye ... Currently, something is being produced at the factory but like me I understand the machines there are still Soviet morally and physically obsolete ..... BUT why not the state to invest and breathe life into the dying industry of the military-industrial complex of Omsk as a whole? Moreover, there are cadres in Omsk - there are the Polytechnic University college colleges and ... more and more drunken population and especially sorry youth! If GDP focuses on its own forces, then Omsk do not leave aside, but then Peter the Urals. A European honor .. why not Siberia? And Ukrainian specialists would have to live permanently in Siberia for a high salary, we have a lot of Ukrainians who migrated from Ukraine during difficult times ....
  23. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 April 10 2014 13: 15
    +3
    And yet, it is necessary to abandon the components of foreign companies, including Ukraine, but it will be difficult, but not the first time, we will increase production, even very well, new jobs will appear, so this double-edged sword is only good for Russia, it will be right. Putin is doing what he is giving up on western and eastern banks, but markets need to be maintained. what
  24. sv68
    sv68 April 10 2014 14: 04
    0
    let’s say we’ll do the helicopter engines ourselves, we built a plant — and as for the turbines, our corvettes and frigates are also tied to ukroin and the question is not idle — if the power is down, those who don’t want the country to earn money need to urgently set up production of turbines
  25. GAndr
    GAndr April 10 2014 14: 08
    +2
    In this whole situation, I feel sorry for ordinary people ... what will families feed when mass layoffs begin? All this is shitty, banderlogs to themselves only dig a grave with this. The hungry working people they then rips Bosko.
  26. EvgenE46
    EvgenE46 April 10 2014 14: 22
    +4
    And why is Perm PS-90 pictured? I even recognized my native workshop ...
  27. nod739
    nod739 April 10 2014 14: 23
    +1
    Quote: MAKSAK
    It is necessary to build defense harracter enterprises on its territory, create jobs, train specialists, as our two allies showed us life: the army and the navy!

    Yes, in general, they built it on their own, ktozh knew that such a power would be cut into pieces !!! - All was once its ....
    when they brought me a little one to Yevpatoria, I perceived as our country — the same 3 kopecks a gas machine in an automatic machine, the same rubles everywhere - and they speak Russian, there is only the sea, apples and apricots with cherries and in some old Russian women speak grandmother- but you can understand))
  28. Gray 43
    Gray 43 April 10 2014 14: 28
    +1
    Ukraine has long been unstable, they are friends with Russia, they are not friends, and we are waiting, when will the gentlemen turn to face us in order to earn money ?! We need to have our own production, albeit not on the scale of the Soviet era, but equipped with the most modern machine park. Let it take time, but in the future you will not have to build equipment with an eye on the political mood of our neighbors
  29. Cristall
    Cristall April 10 2014 17: 29
    0
    In general, money is a business. I am sure that the oligarchs themselves are piercing these idiots through their channels so that they calm down and do not go further than rhetoric. Because they will be removed by the sponsors themselves.
  30. Bayonet
    Bayonet April 10 2014 18: 10
    +1
    Engines, until their production reaches a sufficient level, can be bought through third countries, and there should be a supply. If they want to completely stop deliveries, they will not be able to continue working due to the cessation of supplies of components from Russia, and this is at least 50%. Their rockets without engines are also not needed by anyone. Well, let them saw the branch on which they sit.
  31. uzer 13
    uzer 13 April 10 2014 18: 15
    0
    The impostors have relied on Maidan hunveibin.
  32. 52
    52 April 10 2014 18: 51
    +5
    Quote: Michael m
    Pay a turner 50-75t.r. - and tomorrow at the gates of the plant there will be a queue of people who want to stand ...

    And gasoline will cost 60-70r, bread 50-60, and the line will disappear sharply.

    And you just find a competent turner! Not a pensioner, but 25-35 years old. The chain of transfer of experience, the line of the factory was broken. And now, on a magnificent and universal 16k20 who the hell you put.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 April 10 2014 19: 17
      +2
      A pensioner worked with us on such a machine until the last year he left, everything is already more and more weak. Now the other is also facing retirement. As everyone leaves, the details will be sharpened more to whom it will be - there is no youth. I myself was looking for an electrician in a shift, I found it only at the age of a peasant, I understand automation, but I’ll already send a support belt for a support worker. Sadly all.
    2. andj61
      andj61 April 14 2014 17: 06
      0
      Correctly. I know a guy, after a college and the army he went to an engineering plant. On the transaction, he earned (in 2013) 950-1100 rubles a month. Pay extra to a minimum wage of 4600 rubles. That is, at least work, at least not - it’s still 4600. I went to the construction site. Now he’s getting 20-30 thousand rubles on a shovel.
    3. Korepanov Mikhail
      Korepanov Mikhail April 21 2014 16: 39
      0
      Normal managers train staff for themselves beloved
    4. Korepanov Mikhail
      Korepanov Mikhail April 21 2014 16: 39
      0
      Normal managers train staff for themselves beloved
  33. Dimy4
    Dimy4 April 10 2014 19: 13
    +2
    There was such a story, there was a mouse and she had a bag of cereal. Once she sent this croup to IKS PLAYER and something else: they say I won’t tell you, I’m now a free mouse I want to eat, I don’t want to not eat. In general, the mouse has starved to death, and the bag is worth another mouse waiting, smarter.
  34. Nonik
    Nonik April 10 2014 23: 41
    +1
    Quote: Leader
    And now in the same Germany there are those who want to work for decent money in a normal country - without pederasts and lesbians, European officials and German bureaucrats ...
    Throw a little spoonful of tar. One real German architect worked in our holding. With some problems, he became furious, threw holes at the door. Once the door was even changed. A dent once again appeared on the new door .. In general, they threw it out. We do not need such Germans am
  35. santepa
    santepa April 21 2014 01: 37
    0
    guys!!! And one of you here was working at the machine tool in the machine shop, or on the conveyor ???
  36. Korepanov Mikhail
    Korepanov Mikhail April 21 2014 16: 36
    0
    At the beginning of World War II, US President Roosevelt signed the law. I don't remember the name. The essence of the law. Under what conditions can American firms do business with firms in Germany and other enemy countries? Example. Most of the tracks of the tracks of German tanks were marked in English "Caterpillar-tractor". Nothing personal. Business only. Kiev rulers did not learn democracy well from Yankee teachers.