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Ukraine and Russia are two degrading countries of peripheral capitalism

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Today they talk a lot about Ukraine: how good it is, how degraded it is.


We will not look for a speck in another's eye - we have a lot of bad things happened too, but Ukraine can be used as a mirror for Russia.

Before 1991, we were one Soviet people, and I think we had the same expectations.

The idea of ​​the future was the most vague. The sixth article of the Constitution was abolished earlier, the CPSU was banned after the State Emergency Committee. People thought it was good. Then they expected that private ownership of factories and plants would lead to the emergence of high-quality domestic goods, and the peasants, having received ownership of land, would overwhelm us with products. After all, why there were interruptions in meat and condensed milk, why did the shoes have an uncomfortable shoe, and there were no good jeans of their own? Because the state owned the factories and the land, and there was no owner. The owner, he, of course, would not allow drunk and idlers at work, he would not allow theft and hack-work. Science is also flourishing, because it will get rid of ideology, party dictatorship, trips to the potato, trips to the vegetable base, political information. Scientists will be able to freely communicate with their foreign colleagues (only they will learn the language), receive Western orders, eliminate their backwardness in some areas, and some will be able to leave to work there - we are so smart and unpretentious.

What else do we want? More good books, films, opportunities to travel abroad on tourist trips. We thought that censorship hindered the emergence of masterpieces. At this our fantasy ended.

And the multi-party system and the elections were needed to choose the right power that would keep order, and if it didn’t watch well, we would have it re-elected.

We didn’t think that education, treatment, and getting housing could be paid. And if anyone suggested such an opportunity, he believed that he would earn good treatment, a home, and education for children. They loved to say that free treatment is a gift for treatment. But, in general, these issues were not considered major, oddly enough.

So, all groups of people waited for the improvement of their lives.

The workers waited for new equipment and good wages, the peasants waited for land, scientists waited for cooperation with Zapadom, the creative intelligentsia waited for creative freedom, representatives of the private sector at that time - the cooperatives waited for their rights to expand. Everyone was waiting for the appearance of high-quality foreign goods, films, translations of new books, the opportunity to see Paris and Rome with our own eyes.

Where are we going to take money for the first time, until there are positive changes? First, we believed that the country has reserves; secondly, they were supposed to save on reducing defense expenditures - after all, we have no enemies; thirdly, they hoped that, having got rid of the burden of bringing the world to the world and buying the loyalty of all pro-socialist regimes, we would also get great savings; Finally, if you lose a large population of Central Asia, it should become easier. Wars in the Caucasus republics were already raging - it would have been better to leave them alone with their Karabakh, etc. The Baltic states were already considered a chunk cut off, we thought that the alliance of the three Slavic republics would remain.

They explained to us that by parting with the power of the CPSU, the distribution system and the planned economy, and moving to a free market and private property, a multiparty system, we would gain all these advantages.

But things did not go exactly as we expected. They thought to get rid of Central Asia, and got rid of all the republics at once, and even got where the war was, and where there was great unrest in their own autonomies. This was the first blow.

But even this did not make us think again. We waited for the economy to start working as promised by the theorists. Theorists said that first you need to suffer a little, to experience shock therapy. Of course, we didn’t like it, but we decided to suffer - after all, there was no way back. Why, then, it is asked, they collapsed the system of the socialist community, which was somehow, but still our market, for which they threw pro-socialist regimes in Asia, Africa and South America, for which they threw 25 million Russians in the republics b. THE USSR?

And a new life began. From this moment on, the lives of Russia and Ukraine went by different, but parallel roads. In Soviet times, both republics were donors. They had quite developed industry, agriculture, science.

Russia had a big bonus - it got oil and gas fields, pipelines. But after all, this wealth is not at all. The countries of the former people's democracy did not have oil, but this did not prevent them from improving their lives. At least they tell us so. In addition, those oil countries flourish, where there is a lot of oil and few people: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Norway. People there receive all social services at a high level and for free. But in Venezuela, this is no longer possible.
Russia assumed the payment of all considerable debts of the USSR. Ukraine owed nothing to anyone. Now the money did not go to the center - everything remained in the country. Ukraine did not invest in its army - and this is also a great savings.

Why did 23 come to Ukraine in such a deplorable state? Today it is a bankrupt country with a low standard of living. Over the 23 of the year, Ukraine was unable to achieve the performance of the 1990 of the year. Its population has decreased, the mortality rate is large. Science is no more. Agriculture and industry do not bring such profits at all as expected. Something is not noticeable and the flowering of national culture.

Did Ukraine lack democracy? The turnover of power, a multiparty system, free media - all this was available.

And the moment that Ukraine gained independence? Shouldn't that have raised public spirits? Poland, Czech Republic and others. It really helped. They are free from tyranny! They are so cool! This Russia had nothing to rejoice. What was happy? What have lost a third of the territories? What threw 25 million Russian across all borders, including in places from where they immediately began to expel? True, Yeltsin managed to arrange a holiday on this occasion, but people never took him seriously.
But, nevertheless, neither democracy, nor the open market, nor national liberation helped Ukraine at all to achieve what it was striving for.

Is Ukrainians to blame? Not. This is a natural and logical outcome. Both Russia and Ukraine entered the wonderful new world as peripheral capitalist countries. And the world capitalist system is very simple: the center completely drains the periphery. You are not surprised that in Latin America there are solid “banana” republics, i.e. countries where democracy leads to endless revolutions and upheavals? And it is very convenient to the center.

Nobody needs the fruits of the creative work of the periphery - you need raw materials in the form of either mineral raw materials, or agricultural products or people. But these places are already taken. Not so easy to get to the market as a supplier of agricultural products, for example. From Russia, we need only hydrocarbons, and from Ukraine nothing at all. But what about Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Baltic? This is a mystery, but part of their success is pure PR, and they could really help them. But this does not mean that someone will help Ukraine. I am afraid that Russia will face a similar fate.

The smartest thing both countries could come up with is to unite and try to play the game in their own way. But Ukraine, as you see, is not ready for this.

When we came to a new world, it turned out that we need it only as food, and not as a free player. At our expense, Western economies are very well fed. Remember the happiness of the Americans under Clinton: they said that they are getting richer even in their sleep — they are waking up, and on the count of new percentages. And we at that time every hour saw new price tags in stores and state employees did not receive salary for months, although they continued to fulfill their duties, while the workers were sent on indefinite leave. And we mockingly explained that everyone should earn their initial capital, and then become either a capitalist or a lumpen, there is no third.

Suddenly it turned out that the economy does not exist for the people, but for profit. Whose profit? Individuals. These people were unprofitable to continue to produce domestic consumer goods, but it turned out to be more profitable to close factories and plants. But it became profitable to trade in Chinese goods. It turned out to be unprofitable own production of literally everything, because somewhere it was possible to find cheaper. We were immediately told that already because of our winter alone, when the shops need to be heated somehow, our goods will be more expensive than those that were produced in warm countries. And even if our worker is paid at a minimum, you still need to take into account that in the winter he must at least somehow drown his house and wear warm clothes, and in this we obviously lose to the children living in the shack and walking all year round in shorts.

For us it was very strange. We are used to the fact that production is concentrated in European countries, where workers are very well paid for their work, and they live in their own stone houses, and they dress in good-quality and expensive clothes. Do we spend on life more than them?

And no. Western people are no longer working, but are engaged in banking, science, creativity, and, most importantly, are engaged in the service sector. The goods are produced by the Chinese.

Banks must have either a mighty country or a long-standing one. history. Our science was a supplement to the Soviet economy and public life, and naturally, the first perished. And who needs a science serving a degrading society? Someone took to the West, the rest went to the shuttle traders. A similar story happened with creativity.

That is, we have no place on the market, except for the supply of oil and gas, and the Ukrainians have no place at all.

The question is, what did our leaders think about this? That is what they thought. Gaidar honestly said that all inefficient production should die and, preferably, together with those who were engaged there. The last he, however, did not say out loud, but it was possible to understand. He just did not say that everything will be ineffective except hydrocarbons. Well, in Ukraine, nothing at all was effective.

Our economies died immediately, and predators attacked the corpses. These were the bandits. They formed new elites, which included real criminal elements and people who had previously been in power and in many respects provided Perestroika. Since then, they rule both countries. The people are scandalous, endlessly digging under each other. We temporarily have a leader who somehow settles it all. Ukraine has no such leader. Perhaps this is explained by the fact that someone in the West does not need chaos in the nuclear country, or stable supplies of oil and gas are needed. Therefore, they allow an authoritarian regime in Russia.

What is happening is a challenge for our peoples. We must understand that we have our own interests, and not be a toy in the hands of some unthinkably rich, self-confident and greedy people.
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  1. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob April 10 2014 07: 59
    +55
    Ukrainians think that they are being saved, but in reality they drag them into the slaughterhouse.
    1. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 10 2014 08: 02
      +13
      Yatsenyuk sold Ukraine for 30 dimes and there will be no popular forgiveness to him.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. April 10 2014 08: 32
        +12
        After all, why were there interruptions with meat or condensed milk, why did the shoes have an uncomfortable block, and there were no good jeans of their own?

        Sabotage of the fifth column, greedy traders and party nomenclature. And the naive ones thought it happened ?!
      2. smel
        smel April 10 2014 08: 49
        -2
        Quote: platitsyn70
        Yatsenyuk sold Ukraine for 30 dimes and there will be no popular forgiveness to him.

        The title of the article is clearly provocative, although the meaning and content in the text still exist, in my opinion, and it, the text, reflects the point of view of most readers. Not Russia is degrading. Apparently, the department is degrading, which is led by a respected author. And I am sorry for the faculty that works under the supervision of their department head, and especially if political issues are considered instead of professional issues at work.
        Pessimism and skepticism must take place in life. But if they make up its meaning, then living is very difficult. For there is no future. There is only the past.
        1. mamont5
          mamont5 April 10 2014 08: 55
          +2
          Quote: smel
          The title of the article is clearly provocative, although the meaning and content in the text still exist,

          Yes, I also thought so. Some kind of muddy feeling from this article.
          1. Kuvabatake
            Kuvabatake April 10 2014 09: 03
            +1
            You can’t approach everything so pessimistically. The author of the article is trying to spur everyone on, they say let's correct the errors, especially when they became visible.
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            2. invisibility
              invisibility April 10 2014 10: 08
              +2
              Optimistic is this all well fine marquise?
          2. polite people
            polite people April 10 2014 10: 35
            +17
            Give only a reason, Ukrainians.
            1. Dabadub
              Dabadub April 10 2014 11: 57
              -22%
              And you didn’t have a question: are you needed here? You have been driving the population of the East of Ukraine into poverty for 5 years (after Yulia's gas sales agreement) and at the same time talking about brotherly love. How did they make gas for your brother the most expensive in the world and ask why you are not loved? If any of you do not know, for the population in Ukraine there is enough gas of its own and for the people it is the cheapest in Europe, and Russian gas goes to metallurgy and chemical industry enterprises, the price of it makes these industries unprofitable and they drag the coal mining industry with them. ... So the question is, who does the "big brother" make worse when raising prices? The answer is obvious. "Brother" does not need a good life for Russians and Russian-speaking people in Ukraine, he does not need a stable Donbas and happy people. It works on the principle the worse the better. Either with me, or dead. Imperial mentality in action. And the statistics testifies to love for Ukraine, which says that 77% of the population of Russia will support military actions in Ukraine. At the same time, they will fight with the "BANDEROV" people, 80-85% of the population of my country. Does that mean everyone is under the knife?
              1. Kurkin
                Kurkin April 10 2014 12: 06
                +4
                Did your brain go off? Your Julia signed such gas prices, and she herself insisted that there be market prices. No need to blame from a sore head for a healthy one. Better find her comments on the 2009 gas contract on the Internet.
              2. yurchen
                yurchen April 10 2014 12: 22
                +6
                If I am not mistaken, the gas price for Ukraine was $ 268 per thousand cubic meters with all discounts. The price in Europe is per thousand cubic meters, somewhere around $ 400 or more. By the way, you were imprisoned for this. Your trouble is that you succumbed to the deliberate delirium of our enemies, turning the local name of the Russians into the name of an alleged nation. As an example, the name "Siberians" or "Far East". By the way, Russia only did what it helped Ukraine over the past 20 plus years, even at the time when Ukraine was fighting against us by sending militants to Chechnya, sending advisers to Georgia 08 08 08. Sending advisors to Eretria against Christian Ethiopia where there were Russian advisers. All this is guided by Ukraine's Selyukov mentality.
              3. woron333444
                woron333444 April 10 2014 12: 22
                +2
                For some reason, drag troops from the west, Bandera and mercenaries from the USA to the east to fight the Southeast, because you know that their security forces will not go against their own.
              4. NPogZ
                NPogZ April 10 2014 12: 33
                +1
                WELL IF YOU HAVE 80-85% OF BANDERWISERS - then, indeed, there is nothing for us to do there. Actually, the Ukrainian people are perceived as their own ... well, a bunch of scumbags rule you as much as they can ...
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              6. matross
                matross April 10 2014 12: 40
                +3
                Quote: Dabadub
                they will fight with the "BANDER" members, 80-85% of the population of my country

                And who told you that this is a country, and even yours? This is the territory of Russia temporarily outside the Russian jurisdiction. And it is not necessary to overstate the interest, it will be unprofitable for us to feed so many prisoners ...
              7. RUSS
                RUSS April 10 2014 12: 50
                0
                Quote: Dabadub
                Imperial mentality in action


                And what's wrong with the Empire, that Ukraine has lost in its history being a part of the Russian Empire and the USSR? You have just acquired, and you are still standing with an outstretched hand! What have you achieved in 23 years of independence? Everything that has been accumulated by generations, you have lost everything, and like parrots from day to day you repeat that everything is to blame - "damned Muscovites"!
              8. VeteranS
                VeteranS April 10 2014 12: 52
                0
                Unlike "friends" from the United States and the European Union, who in every possible way pushed Ukraine to come to power in Kiev through a coup d'etat of the Banderaites and oligarchs, Russia actually allocated $ 3 billion this year, and even the head of the IMF admitted that without this help, the Ukrainian economy would have collapsed long ago .... So there is no need to blame a sick Maidan head on a healthy Russian one!
            2. Havoc
              Havoc April 10 2014 12: 03
              +2
              Quote: polite people
              Give only a reason, Ukrainians.


              All the time it bothers me that with such a number of cities in the Southeast, this does not take into account small towns and villages, 3-5 thousand people come out for rallies, this is at best. What is it? inertia of the population, fear or people are happy with everything? I don’t want to think that the bulk of the population expects that the uncle from the east will pass and ruin everything.
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        2. Walk
          Walk April 10 2014 09: 48
          -5
          Judging by the place of work and academic degree, this person is from that category of people who will always be unhappy. He graduated from the Faculty of Mathematics, he needs to defend himself, but in mathematics this is difficult to do. Then we take a physicist who puts forward a theory, and a mathematician calculates it. As a result, doctors of the physical and mathematical sciences receive a general dissertation. According to my observations, conceited people follow this path, for whom everyone around is to blame for their failures.
          1. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov April 10 2014 10: 43
            +3
            Quote: Walk
            Judging by the place of work and academic degree

            Place of work: "Head of the Department of Medical (!) Informatics (!) And Statistics .......!
            Are you impressed? I don’t. In article e, the author more or less correctly described the period of the collapse of the USSR, but what conclusion does he make from all this? He turns out that we can only come to prosperity TOGETHER with Ukraine !!! Who else thinks so?
            A country that was created as an anti-Russian project, embraced by wild Russophobia .... is it about him ???
            Country confrontation with which one and look will go into the hot phase, is it about her?
            There is no Ukraine! And there wasn’t! Now we need to save our people and return our territories!
            By the way, think with your head that this head of the department of information and statistics can "statistic"? The amount of expensive imported equipment in our medicine? For which you can get not feeble kickbacks! Does it bother you?
            1. Walk
              Walk April 10 2014 10: 50
              0
              I completely agree with you. He wrote about this, but judging by the number of minuses, he could not convey his thoughts.
              1. dmitriygorshkov
                dmitriygorshkov April 10 2014 11: 42
                -1
                Quote: Walk
                I completely agree with you. He wrote about this, but judging by the number of minuses, he could not convey his thoughts.

                I just set (+) for you, and was very surprised by the minuses to your address, that's why I wrote it myself.
        3. invisibility
          invisibility April 10 2014 10: 06
          +9
          The title of the article suggests that capitalism is a dead end, a deception, a thirst for profit and not something human. As they said, for 300% of profits capitalism will commit any crime! Just...
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      3. avg
        avg April 10 2014 10: 56
        +2
        What is happening is a challenge for our peoples. We must understand that we have our own interests, and not be a toy in the hands of some unthinkably rich, self-confident and greedy people.

        We got it. What's next?
    2. yulka2980
      yulka2980 April 10 2014 08: 05
      +4
      laughing Go crazy, this photo!
      1. W1950
        W1950 April 10 2014 08: 22
        +16
        To start the upsurge, you must first deal with a government in which the liberal shit-racers of the Gaidar persuasion are too much populated. This shooter has one privatization on his mind i.e. pocketing the remnants of the public domain. For 23 years, these jackals have done nothing but harm to Russia .
        1. Walk
          Walk April 10 2014 09: 52
          +1
          Unfortunately, the process of dismantling with the liberals in the government is not very fast. But he is coming.
        2. Karabin
          Karabin April 10 2014 09: 53
          +6
          Quote: W1950
          first deal with a government in which too much liberal-shit-democrat Gaidar persuaded.

          It is impossible. The President is against.
    3. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk April 10 2014 08: 36
      +4
      National sport in Russia rake walking.
      National sport in a gopak rake ruin.
    4. Civil
      Civil April 10 2014 09: 00
      +9
      The author is right in assessing the consequences in all respects, but politically correct he did not mention the reasons and future:
      1. Price tags change monthly, for example, our milk increased by 30% per quarter.
      2. The rent is growing creeping by 25% percent (with a maximum by law of 15%) per year, this is not counting that they are now sending two receipts.
      3. There is an endless complication of life, a ban on the ban.
      4. In fact, the last, but even partially forbidden right (the bailiff can impose a ban at any time) is the right to travel abroad.
      5. All land purchased by homegrown landlords.
      1. Walk
        Walk April 10 2014 09: 59
        -4
        I feel sorry for you right away. Everything is bad with you. Why am I not observing all this in Krasnoyarsk? Prices for bread and milk for the year rose by ten percent. The rent also rose slightly. I won’t say the rest, but there is always an advertisement for the sale of land. Apparently not all landlords bought it.
        1. Civil
          Civil April 10 2014 11: 19
          +3
          Quote: Walk
          I feel sorry for you right away. Everything is bad with you. Why am I not observing all this in Krasnoyarsk? Prices for bread and milk for the year rose by ten percent. The rent also rose slightly. I won’t say the rest, but there is always an advertisement for the sale of land. Apparently not all landlords bought it.

          official inflation of 5.6% for 2013, it’s the land grabbers that make and sell the parts, they got it all for free, thousands of hectares, well, you probably pay for such comments in a pension fund ... from pensioners' money
        2. Kurkin
          Kurkin April 10 2014 11: 19
          +5
          Doesn't reach you yet mean. In our Urals, some factories have already switched over for 4 days. Rising food prices 20-25%. In general, this is not a rise in prices, it is a depreciation of the ruble. This is due to its convertibility, they are specially knocked down on the currency market.
        3. Havoc
          Havoc April 10 2014 12: 13
          +2
          Quote: Walk
          I feel sorry for you right away. Everything is bad with you. Why am I not observing all this in Krasnoyarsk? Prices for bread and milk for the year rose by ten percent. The rent also rose slightly. I won’t say the rest, but there is always an advertisement for the sale of land. Apparently not all landlords bought it.


          That’s the problem, it all depends on the local governors, if the governor is on the board of directors of a company selling heat or energy. companies in this region and tariffs are rising, any increase can be made through the region. I think.
        4. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
          Mihaylo Tishayshiy April 10 2014 13: 08
          +2
          Quote: Walk
          Prices for bread and milk for the year rose by ten percent. The rent also rose slightly.

          Please be specific prices, and the percentage, who are interested, he will calculate.
          Quote: Walk
          I won’t say the rest, but there is always an advertisement for the sale of land. Apparently not all landlords bought it.

          Who is the seller? Don't you "know"?
      2. woron333444
        woron333444 April 10 2014 12: 28
        +1
        We consider a "dying" city, houses are growing by leaps and bounds, the city is no longer to drive - traffic jams. And we live worse and worse.
  2. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger April 10 2014 08: 01
    +2
    You can put an equal sign between economic trends in Russia and Ukraine either as an ardent Russophobe - a utopian or drug addict. IMHO.
    1. svetlomor
      svetlomor April 10 2014 08: 13
      +6
      You can put an equal sign between economic trends in Russia and Ukraine either as an ardent Russophobe
      I agree, but in Russia there are problems.
      1. Stas
        Stas April 10 2014 08: 36
        +7
        The main trouble in Russia is corrupt officials, bribe takers and oligarchs. The rest is easily solved if there is a great desire of the authorities and the people.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin April 10 2014 09: 52
          +4
          Quote: Stas
          The rest is easily solved if there is a great desire of the authorities and the people.

          Yes, it’s very easy, at first glance Only power consists, including of officials who are corrupt and bribe takers. The oligarchs, because the oligarchs, because they can buy officials for lobbying interests. The people are also different. Few will deny themselves the pleasure of solving some kind of problem through feeding the right person in power. And so, everything is easy.
        2. 787nkx
          787nkx April 10 2014 10: 45
          +4
          The main trouble is large private capital, everything else is generated by it.
        3. cheega69
          cheega69 April 10 2014 10: 59
          +2
          Is there a desire? That is the question.
        4. vovan50
          vovan50 April 10 2014 11: 29
          +4
          If you fight only with corrupt officials, bribe takers and oligarchs, then others will immediately replace them. We must fight to ensure that the country does not have conditions for the appearance of corrupt officials, bribe takers and oligarchs.
    2. nokki
      nokki April 10 2014 08: 29
      +1
      You can put an equal sign between economic trends in Russia and Ukraine either as an ardent Russophobe - a utopian or drug addict. IMHO.


      Everyone forgets about the "legacy" that Putin received after Yeltsin. Now we have taken only a step away from the abyss.
      The article is very much in line with the demagogic cries of the liberals, who are constantly playing in one tune: "everything can be solved here and now, instantly and miraculously." The hydra that was raised after perestroika cannot be dealt with instantly. But progress is visible.
      After the Crimea, Putin received the support of the people and is now acting in the necessary way, but thoughtfully. Like a sniper, cold-bloodedly "shooting" the most dangerous opponents. To demand from him a "massive barrage of fire" is at least stupid.
      Stalin also acted gradually, placing his people everywhere, cutting off and destroying opponents gradually. He also went to the Victory of the 45 after Lenin’s death for more than one year.
  3. saag
    saag April 10 2014 08: 21
    +2
    Quote: yulka2980
    Go crazy, this photo!

    But they didn’t show the rest of the shots, where they pulled the pig ashore and slaughtered :-)
  4. Klim2011
    Klim2011 April 10 2014 08: 23
    +8
    Egor Gaidar ... Mother is the daughter of the writer Bazhev, father is the son of Arkady Gaidar.
    And the grandson of Judah.
    1. shapkin14
      shapkin14 April 10 2014 10: 54
      +4
      The father of Egor Gaidar is the stepson. The last wife of Arkady Golikov (Gaidar) was a Jew by the name of Solomyanskaya. She already had a son Timur from the unknown.
      At the age of 23, this timur took his last name: not Solomyansky or Golikov, but the pseudonym of his stepfather - Gaidar. It really helped for a career.
    2. shapkin14
      shapkin14 April 10 2014 10: 54
      0
      The father of Egor Gaidar is the stepson. The last wife of Arkady Golikov (Gaidar) was a Jew by the name of Solomyanskaya. She already had a son Timur from an unknown person.
      At the age of 23, this timur took his last name, not Solomyansky or Golikov, but the pseudonym of his stepfather - Gaidar. It really helped for a career.
  5. Earnest
    Earnest April 10 2014 08: 24
    +1
    The article is about nothing, a statement of facts from the series: "I was born, went to school and came ..." The author's brain hemispheres are separated by a red stripe with the inscription: "... an authoritarian regime in Russia." The inscription is most likely in the Latin alphabet. Attempts to reveal the content of the article to the message in the title "Ukraine and Russia - two degrading the countries of peripheral capitalism "I have not found.
  6. staryivoin
    staryivoin April 10 2014 08: 25
    -2
    Quote: Rattenfanger
    Put an equal sign


    Indeed, you have to be a doctor nat. mat. sciences, to mix all the facts stated in a wild hodgepodge. When a "doctor of all kinds of sciences" is taken to analyze the policy, he works in a medical institution of higher professional education, it will not give anything good. The article is somewhat biased, especially the epilogue.
    1. staryivoin
      staryivoin April 10 2014 20: 59
      +1
      Thank you for your support and recognition (for your cons).
      I understand that I am "minus" friends "of the doctor about all kinds of sciences."
      Of course, at one time he did not become a doctor of sciences, since he served his FATHERLAND in the more specific ranks of his defense. Didn't go to your "symposiums" and "conferences". But while remaining a combatant officer of the Strategic Missile Forces for more than 20 years, he served his FATHERLAND. I went where the Motherland would send.
      Nor did he think of gratitude. As a cadet of a higher military school, he received a patent for an invention in the field of rocket and space technology. But not for "bronze". And he went to serve where MOTHER-MOTHERLAND sent. Despite my age, I am not very good at understanding your favorite mathematics and mathematical analysis. And all because from school in your subject I had a solid "5". And while even studying at the Military Academy, everything related to mathematics also had a "5".
      And when asked why there is no order in the army? I will answer only one "Why don't you go in a civilian system?"
      And another joke on the topic:
      "A student and a soldier enter the public toilet. They went down the small and left the student began to wash his hands under the sink. And the soldier fastened his codpiece and wanted to move on. And then the student stops him - And we were taught to wash our hands after the toilet! And the soldier answers. - And we were taught not to piss on our hands!
      Obviously, your "IM Sechenov PMGMU" is supposed to smear RUSSIA with a "degrading power". Well, GOD is your judge. Or maybe SATAN, because it is not clear for whom you were trying. What kind of RUSSIA is the "doctor about all kinds of sciences" dreaming of? About the same democratic - in the WESTERN manner? Or about RUSSIA PUSHKIN, LERMONTOV, MENDELEEV, LOMONOSOV, LOBACHEVSKY, QUEEN, KELDYSH and others who have invested their strength in RUSSIA. But not this
      And, Gerasimov: “We temporarily have a leader who somehow controls all this. Perhaps this is due to the fact that someone in the West does not need chaos to reign in a nuclear country, or they need stable supplies of oil and gas. Therefore, they admit an authoritarian regime in Russia. "
      I bow my hat to the thoughts of a "doctor about all kinds of sciences." If this is our science, which is paid from the country's budget - ATTENTION! QUESTION! HOW MUCH IS THE DOCTOR "SCIENCE" PAYED for shit on RUSSIA?
    2. staryivoin
      staryivoin April 10 2014 20: 59
      0
      Thank you for your support and recognition (for your cons).
      I understand that I am "minus" friends "of the doctor about all kinds of sciences."
      Of course, at one time he did not become a doctor of sciences, since he served his FATHERLAND in the more specific ranks of his defense. Didn't go to your "symposiums" and "conferences". But while remaining a combatant officer of the Strategic Missile Forces for more than 20 years, he served his FATHERLAND. I went where the Motherland would send.
      Nor did he think of gratitude. As a cadet of a higher military school, he received a patent for an invention in the field of rocket and space technology. But not for "bronze". And he went to serve where MOTHER-MOTHERLAND sent. Despite my age, I am not very good at understanding your favorite mathematics and mathematical analysis. And all because from school in your subject I had a solid "5". And while even studying at the Military Academy, everything related to mathematics also had a "5".
      And when asked why there is no order in the army? I will answer only one "Why don't you go in a civilian system?"
      And another joke on the topic:
      "A student and a soldier enter the public toilet. They went down the small and left the student began to wash his hands under the sink. And the soldier fastened his codpiece and wanted to move on. And then the student stops him - And we were taught to wash our hands after the toilet! And the soldier answers. - And we were taught not to piss on our hands!
      Obviously, your "IM Sechenov PMGMU" is supposed to smear RUSSIA with a "degrading power". Well, GOD is your judge. Or maybe SATAN, because it is not clear for whom you were trying. What kind of RUSSIA is the "doctor about all kinds of sciences" dreaming of? About the same democratic - in the WESTERN manner? Or about RUSSIA PUSHKIN, LERMONTOV, MENDELEEV, LOMONOSOV, LOBACHEVSKY, QUEEN, KELDYSH and others who have invested their strength in RUSSIA. But not this
      And, Gerasimov: “We temporarily have a leader who somehow controls all this. Perhaps this is due to the fact that someone in the West does not need chaos to reign in a nuclear country, or they need stable supplies of oil and gas. Therefore, they admit an authoritarian regime in Russia. "
      I bow my hat to the thoughts of a "doctor about all kinds of sciences." If this is our science, which is paid from the country's budget - ATTENTION! QUESTION! HOW MUCH IS THE DOCTOR "SCIENCE" PAYED for shit on RUSSIA?
  7. chinararem
    chinararem April 10 2014 08: 26
    +10
    I would like to put a "minus" article in my hearts, but my hand does not rise. Alas, everything is correct. Only Russia nevertheless scrambled out of the chaos and stands firmly on its feet. Ukraine is sinking deeper into a quagmire. Let's be frank, Ukrainians, as a people, are of no use to anyone except Russia. Whatever nasty things the Ukrainians say and do to us, we still forgive them like naughty children. The trouble with Ukraine is that for 23 years the country has not found a real leader independent of the oligarchy.
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 April 10 2014 12: 13
      +3
      Firmly, I would not argue. But while standing, thank God.
  8. Vladimir-35136
    Vladimir-35136 April 10 2014 08: 30
    +7
    The basis of the Western worldview is "financial calculation", and the basis of the Western way of life is the division of the world into the "civilized West" and into all the rest supplying cheap raw materials and consuming high-tech Western goods, and thereby maintaining a high standard of living in Western society. The development of an "association pact with the EU" was an attempt to break through the customs barriers of the Russian Federation and seize the internal market of Russia, and the demand to leave Crimea to Ukraine would lead to Russia's obligations to maintain all of Ukraine "to the end of the century." Thus, we have a fact of economic aggression from the West comparable to the attack of Hitler in 41st. A whole series of "color revolutions" carried out by the West over the past few years have led to the destruction of commodity production in these countries, to the destruction of national economies and the transition of the commodity markets of these countries under the protectorate of the West. The only reasonable response to this aggression can only be a forceful, military response and the establishment of a Russian protectorate over Ukraine, as well as unification on mutually beneficial terms with the commodity markets of China, India and Brazil.
    1. philip
      philip April 10 2014 09: 08
      0
      Vladimir-35136

      In general, I agree with you. But ,,, a forceful, but not a military response. And second
      merging on mutually beneficial terms with the commodity markets of China, India and Brazil.
      with the markets of China and GERMANY.
      1. max702
        max702 April 10 2014 13: 27
        0
        And how is it power without a military? Strength is the army and everything else is money, politics and so on is not a forceful answer. Someone doesn’t give you the money you have, you know that the borrower has it and doesn’t want to give it to you no matter how much you ask, but you have the opportunity to come and force them back (you are just stronger) and what will you do? You will persuade repay the debt repay .. or you will return the more you have such an opportunity.
  9. bulvas
    bulvas April 10 2014 08: 42
    +6
    Too many "maybe", "probably", "this is a mystery to me", "mystery"

    Some whiny sob: "I believed, but I was deceived!" I do not remember that someone promised that the benefits would come from nowhere by themselves.

    The mystery of Hungary and Poland is that they did not have oil and gas and had to work on their own.

    We are not looking for problems there. The fact that billions of ready money for the construction of infrastructure in the Far East lie idle is already gaining interest, is the West also to blame?

    Who prevents to develop their livestock so that not only buy in Australia or elsewhere, but fill up the whole world with clean, inexpensive meat. In Israel, they managed to grow super cows with pure ecological milk and meat in a lifeless desert, produce black caviar in commercial quantities, more than Russia supplies to the market!

    We have everything, areas for growing feed, energy for heating.
    We have a lot of things that are not available in other countries, just no one wants to work for real while there is oil and gas.

    However, all and sundry shout - the West is to blame! You have to look for your way!
    1. Magadan
      Magadan April 10 2014 09: 33
      +9
      Well, it’s not the West that is to blame, but those traitors who destroy our economy for Western bribes.
      Do you think all this collapse itself happens? Yeah, shaz. There is competition in the world. And leave stories about fair competition for suckers. It’s much easier to go and buy a manager in a competitor’s company so that he destroys his own company. Here is a striking example: the Stavropol Territory. There, the guys are still trying to open a super-modern pig farm. And each time the pigs die of obscure diseases, which were not available in Russia for a while.
      Ask food producers how our bureaucrats handle them. They dig up to cracks on the tiles, and to the point that the fire extinguisher does not hang and the documents are not in that format. At the same time, the access of a foreign hawk to our market is open without problems. Photocopies of certificates and fig leaves from the Internet that their products are "all right" are chanted. Why haven't GMO foods been banned from overseas?
      Do you know why American legs are so cheap? I say no jokes - because this bird literally EATS ONCE ONCE IN LIFE. The rest of the time, she eats her own litter, where special chemicals are added so that she does not get sick. For some reason, only in Russia for our manufacturers such cheap technology is prohibited! And because of the hillock, so you can carry?

      In short - as long as there is no article in Russia for wrecking, for causing economic harm to the country to please foreign customers - do not expect anything good.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas April 10 2014 10: 15
        +2
        I do not believe that all officials work for "Uncle Sam"
        Work on your pocket - I believe. I know what smug bastards sit in the tax inspectorate, miss a comma in the audit report, then block the account and run, prove that you are not a camel.

        Also, to promote everything new - it is not necessary for those who check and control it, it is necessary for those who are trying to promote it. In developed countries, insanely strict control and responsibility for food quality. So after all they promote and implement.

        The fact that they sell imported is easier for the official, the paper is okay, then it’s not his problem.

        No one will help in these matters, we must fight ourselves. He who passes and manages to win.

        We have no real spirit to break through. To fight, to win - yes, but to work until victory - not yet.
        Therefore, while the cunning and dodgy win, and not the honest and hardworking
        1. cheega69
          cheega69 April 10 2014 11: 13
          +1
          And wisely, do not believe. They work for themselves. We do not do their job at all, but earn. Doctors do not set a goal for treatment, but such a business. And so in all areas. Why are officials worse?
    2. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx April 10 2014 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: bulvas
      Who prevents to develop their livestock so that not only buy in Australia or elsewhere, but fill up the whole world with clean, inexpensive meat.



      Quote: bulvas
      We have everything, areas for growing feed, energy for heating


      To fill up ALL! the world is clean and CHEAP! meat must have natural conditions for farming in the same AUSTRALIA, USA or ARGENTINA. In our conditions, the maximum is to provide for food security.

      Quote: bulvas
      We have a lot of things that are not available in other countries, just no one wants to work for real while there is oil and gas.


      Do you think that oil and gas are found by themselves, extracted by themselves, delivered by themselves to the consumer thousands of kilometers away?


      Quote: bulvas
      However, all and sundry shout - the West is to blame! You have to look for your way!


      I agree on the one hand, but it is also advantageous for the WEST that we would remain the raw materials appendage of this WEST itself.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas April 10 2014 10: 47
        +3
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        but WEST is profitable,


        It is beneficial for the West to have a NATO fleet in Sevastopol. But our fleet stands there, despite the fact that it is unprofitable for someone.

        How can the West prevent us from working in our country?
        The Americans really want to secure a market in Europe for the sale of their shale gas and oil. So now, shouting that the West is stopping us and not doing anything, spit on Ukraine and everything that the Americans are doing?

        All competitors in the world interfere with each other, one way or another. This is the meaning of this work - competition.
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx April 10 2014 11: 36
          +1
          Quote: bulvas
          How can the West prevent us from working in our country?


          For example - the introduction of their agents. Or the support of corrupt officials. War or fomention of hostilities in our territory. There are many ways.
          1. bulvas
            bulvas April 10 2014 11: 56
            +1
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            For example - the introduction of their agents ...


            This is from a different sphere of activity, and FSB should not be engaged in this, not entrepreneurs.

            Recall a song about a brown button ... soldier
            1. max702
              max702 April 10 2014 13: 34
              +2
              Well, agents are not only in business, they are in the government and in the FSB and other key places, for so many years of collapse they have been everywhere .. It seems to me that Comrade Stalin the 37th didn’t just like that .. not by bloodthirstiness, but by urgent need either he or him and with him the whole country and all the people, history has shown that he was right, sorry I didn’t completely clean up this infection, read the ideologist of perestroika Yakovlev, it is clearly written what they sought ..
              1. bulvas
                bulvas April 10 2014 13: 45
                +1
                Quote: max702
                Well, agents are not only in business,


                No one said it would be easy.

                The difference is that before we waited for us to be shown where to go and what to do, but in practice, people learned to evade responsibility for failure and the main thing was to learn to sit still in any place.

                Now we need to answer for ourselves and ourselves to build our own lives, now the main thing is to achieve a result, and not look for reasons to justify ourselves.
  10. mackonya
    mackonya April 10 2014 08: 42
    -2
    "Ukraine and Russia are two degrading countries of peripheral capitalism" I do not even agree with this wording in the title of the article. I ran "fluently" and realized one thing, on many issues, the author has his own opinion (this is how the column is called), with which I am sure most will not agree.
  11. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh April 10 2014 08: 56
    +4
    Quote: Rattenfanger
    You can put an equal sign between economic trends in Russia and Ukraine either as an ardent Russophobe - a utopian or drug addict. IMHO.

    What are the differences?
    "There is nothing new under the moon," said Comrade Eclisiastus.
  12. shitovmg
    shitovmg April 10 2014 09: 02
    +5
    In the 80s and 90s, literate people understood where the country was heading, but you can't trample against the "Soviet machine", just crush! Chaos was created in the form of so-called glasnost, where the opinion of normal people simply melted into the general bedlam. I was an overgrown student at the beginning of perestroika and we had such a conversation with a young communist. He admired Gorbachev for publicity "given" to the people. I said that this was a bazaar, and glasnost was at party meetings, when old people spoke openly and in a businesslike manner, now the talkers are scratching their tongues without concrete, well-grounded proposals. I never managed to convince him. From there, from disbelief, based on the experience of generations, Gorbachev's chatter and talk about nothing came! When Gorbachev came to power, my friends and I laughed, after a 2-hour report, we looked at each other and wondered: two hours of words and nothing was said ... We laughed.
  13. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 10 2014 09: 07
    +1
    The ultimate goal is hydrocarbons! It hurts them not to their liking that Putin, at the beginning of the century, did not allow to buy everything "on the vine", for a cheap price!
  14. DMoroz
    DMoroz April 10 2014 09: 10
    +2
    the essence of the article does not correspond to the title, physicists don’t need to get into the lyrics, it would be better if some reasonable comparative analysis resulted
  15. Averias
    Averias April 10 2014 09: 13
    +7
    Reasoning out loud: During Yeltsin's time, protest actions (road closures, sit-down strikes of miners, hunger strikes, etc.). Wore a pretty massive character. What do we see now? Now this is not, or practically not (I do not take into account the marsh liberals). The last case is Vladivostok, when a ban (or whatever) was introduced on right-handed cars (the highway was blocked). Kitchen moods do not count (this is when a drunken "Vasya" bangs his fist on the table and says that he knows how to "fix" everything). Yes, there are problems with corruption (and where is it not?), With officials (the same corruption), with the bureaucratic machine, with the revival of production (industry, although normal progress is taking place here too). The absence of pronounced popular protests (demonstrations, rallies, etc.) suggests that, in principle, everything is normal in the country. The people are not happy with what is happening on the ground, but on the whole they are satisfied with what is happening in the country.
    An example of this is the Olympics, how many screams there were on the forums about "stolen" funds, that everything had already been stolen without having time to build. Yes, what they did not say. And the Olympics began, and what we see. Delight, praises of V.V., Putin, pride in the country, patriotic enthusiasm.
    On a personal note: All my friends and acquaintances (and there are quite a few of them) say that they live normally. Acquaintances of their acquaintances say the same thing. They work, they don't have enough "stars from the sky". They don't go crazy for iPhones and "brands". Idealization (which is a serious defect) is not practiced. They educate children competently. In general, they live, but do not exist.
    Yes, there is that layer that is poor (pensioners cannot be pulled in here, this is a separate topic for discussion). But if you look closely, yes, some of them are people who are in a difficult situation. But the other part is pathological loafers. Yes, and the poor - have always been (historical fact). Communism is a utopia. We have already tried to build it.
    Sorry for the mess, I wrote from the tablet on the bus.
    1. Walk
      Walk April 10 2014 10: 32
      +5
      On a personal note: All my friends and acquaintances (and there are quite a few of them) say that they live normally. Acquaintances of their acquaintances say the same thing. They work, they don't have enough "stars from the sky". They don't go crazy for iPhones and "brands". Idealization (which is a serious defect) is not practiced. They educate children competently. In general, they live, but do not exist.
      I agree completely. Among friends there is no one who would cry for a living. Someone is better, someone is worse, but everyone has their own housing, car, children at school or university do not go hungry or poorly dressed. All houses have 1-3 computers and household appliances that overlap family requests. By the way, I can say the same about my retired mother, with the exception of the car - I barely dissuaded him from taking it.
  16. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 10 2014 09: 21
    +6
    Yes, the starting conditions in recent history in our countries were almost the same. But Russia with a thousand-year history of statehood, and in all of us, whether we want it or not, has the so-called statehood gene, so we managed to get out of the abyss of the collapse of the 90's. And we, I think, are not so bad, there are many shortcomings, it’s not a secret, it’s still far from excellent, but there is no need to dissolve snot, if necessary we can rally in a single fist. But in Ukraine this is not. A pseudo-state with donated territories cannot, by definition, be a stable construction. You will never take care of what was donated, such is human psychology, and Ukraine, everything that she got when dividing the Soviet pie was free. therefore, by and large, we have such a deplorable result.
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 10 2014 12: 13
      +1
      Quote: Thought Giant
      You will never take care of what was donated, such is human psychology, and Ukraine, everything that she got when dividing the Soviet pie was free. therefore, by and large, we have such a deplorable result.

      (+) Right thought!
  17. rereture
    rereture April 10 2014 09: 22
    +1
    As the classic said: "The devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads." Here, the majority of the population of our country is in the heads of the devastation that formed after the collapse of the USSR. These people live in their own world, nostalgic for those glorious days, for their youth, for the USSR. But alas, the USSR cannot be returned even by revolution. And if so, we need to improve what we have.

    Many users of this site have their own opinions and their own solutions to problems. Why not get involved in politics, improving what is.
  18. ed65b
    ed65b April 10 2014 09: 33
    0
    Gerasimov in the article refutes himself with promises about the authoritarian regime, the sad fate of Russia, etc. Writing that it’s stupid to sell raw materials can only an unwise person. Now I am not surprised at where we have stupid economists and not-so-close political experts, experts, they are what their teachers are. The generation of the second became the first, crazy without ideas without vision of processes constantly nodding back to the past now to the left or to the right. Russia has become what it has become and the merit of Vladimir Vdadimirovich Putin in that he is trying to change it, to give it a different development vector, unlike Ukraine, has completely obeyed a bunch of powerful oligarchs. The article is a fat minus.
    1. explorer
      explorer April 10 2014 10: 22
      +1
      Add:
      Let us also recall the "equidistant" oligarchs, some imprisoned (for a time), who left for the hill, the head of Chukotka, etc.
      Was there such a thing in / in Ukraine?
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt April 10 2014 10: 25
      +3
      Selling raw materials is always worse than processing. Well this is elementary laughing
      1. ed65b
        ed65b April 10 2014 13: 33
        -2
        Well, the Saudis do not sell gas and live on until they cough.
  19. vass
    vass April 10 2014 10: 05
    +3
    We have a short memory. Not more than a quarter. But the author is right! I recall my mood in the 90s and quietly swear. As people, whole families fed at the garbage dump - it was horror. And the narcotics, bandits, drunk and others? Did not see? Forgot? Or did the comparison with Ukraine hurt? It’s good that someone lives even worse and will not let anyone on this basis look at themselves from the outside? Maybe we at least a quarter have reached the standard of living of the West, that bursts us so? Our workers receive wages like blacks in America. Like blacks in Africa, yes. Rights are the same! Do not like it or not like it - for the gate. Public organizations are all rotten and their workers are busy simply accumulating their capital through wages, and not upholding the rights of the working people. Glory to the gods - is it worse in Ukraine and did it make us feel good? And what hints of the author of some commentators! Democrats! Let's answer a simple question. The oligarchs of Russia - who are they? Are there Bill Heitz among them? Does someone believe that with them we will defeat America and the EU? Ukrainians are still our brothers. We can help them only when we value ourselves and find the path to the wealth and prosperity of Russia and EVERY RUSSIAN! From the fact that our Crimea has nothing to be proud of. This is not because we are rich and right, but just now in Ukraine it is very bad. We need to help Ukrainians, but for this we need to free ourselves from our birthmarks. Then they will come.
    1. Walk
      Walk April 10 2014 10: 47
      +2
      The author is wrong not that he compares Russia and Ukraine, but that he does not see, or rather does not want to see, that Russia, albeit slowly, is getting out of the hole into which it was driven by the last years of the reign of Gorbachev, Yakovlev and other internal enemies. She chooses herself, without anyone's help, in spite of the efforts of "sworn friends" and "partners", and Ukraine is merrily dancing the gapak, sinking deeper and deeper, and blames anyone but herself, while singing the mantra "Abroad will help us." And the author also traces the idea that it is better for Russian cattle to sit still and not rejoice at success, which, according to the author of the article, does not exist.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b April 10 2014 13: 40
        0
        Quote: Walk
        The author also has the idea that the Russian cattle is better off sitting still and not rejoicing in successes, which, in the opinion of the author of the article, are absent.

        This is his red thread goes through his entire opus.
    2. Fin
      Fin April 10 2014 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: vass
      We have a short memory.

      I have not forgotten anything, as is usually the case in the kitchen during a booze. Everything is shitty, but I know the recipe:
      Quote: vass
      We need to help Ukrainians, but for this we need to free ourselves from our birthmarks.

      Above we have already answered what to do - to work if you are not satisfied with your life.
    3. Goodmen
      Goodmen April 10 2014 12: 42
      +3
      I read both the article and the comments. Opinions differ.

      Quote: vass
      Like blacks in Africa, yes.


      year 2013. told workers from a single enterprise in Central Siberia.
      In 2011-12. their plant was bought by the Americans. So the translator of the American delegation (they came to negotiate with the plant’s management) told our waitress that labor in the Russian Federation is cheaper than in Africa. The hard workers were indignant. Peacefully and on the sidelines.
      It is a fact!

      And all the children are taken to school, and someone has cars, and they dress more or less, and there are computers ... But what are all these qualities?
      With salaries of 15-25 TR they don’t particularly complain about life ... It is clear that hardworking people live, work, raise children - they’re not used to complaining. Although the local bourgeoisie does not like.

      I am those who believe that we have taken an amazing pace in development, that only the love of the people of our government was not enough to "repair" the country, that we are more than fine, I want to say - NEFIGA !!! Gov. to rake out so much, we get tired of swinging shovels, but there is no tractor.
      It's one thing in a city with a millionaire to work not dusty, but a completely different calico - a hard worker on the periphery. And people may and would like a different life, but somehow they’re used to it and they don’t clog their heads. But this does not mean that there is no problem.

      Nobody arranges rallies except marsh? ))))
      Periodically, the slave-owning oligarchs scold and try to kill industries that are disadvantageous to them in their own empires. And production is city-forming. And it is difficult to find another job ... Of course, the "slaves" cannot like this, and they go to rallies. As a result, the GDP "in manual mode" has to clarify / change the oligarchs their sexual orientation.

      My association has arisen recently. Our unknown generosity in relation to various projects of recent years (I understand that politically some decisions are quite literate) is associated with the phrase - "no pants, but wearing a hat."

      Yes, of course there are certain advances both domestically and in foreign policy - to deny this is at least stupid. Decisions are being made that contribute to eliminating the mistakes made earlier in the army, the education system, several new factories have been built (maybe something else, the truth doesn’t come to mind), a manifestation of tough political will in relation to Crimea.
      BUT ... This is their job. The work of our powers that be. THIS IS NORMAL!

      Screaming with delight about this is no longer stupidity, but idiocy.

      You do not praise your wife every time, when she washed, vacuumed, and you are not praised every day at work for doing what you owe.
      (I exaggerated it very)))))
      I propose that the changes taking place be more calm in terms of realistic, moderate optimism.

      And until the overfulfillment of the plan (such a level as the creation of an atomic bomb, flight into space) by our powers that be, like cancer before China. But there is no need for hysterics about the fact that "the collapsed country has gone to", "the dominance of enemies in the power echelons", "not all at once", etc.

      Everyone understands everything perfectly ... exactly as much as they have enough information and brains for its analysis.

      As a result, only time will dot all the points above "and" and will show who "Hu" is.
    4. sergkar
      sergkar April 10 2014 12: 46
      +3
      I gave you a plus, because you are not indifferent and there is no hurray of patriotism. But, to the eternal question "What and how to do?", The answer has not been given. So far, only a dry statement of facts.
    5. ed65b
      ed65b April 10 2014 13: 37
      +1
      Quote: vass
      We need to help Ukrainians,

      Here you are dear and help, personally I am against. Russia has been feeding Dill for 23 years and is now continuing. Why should I help the bastard who yells "moskoly..ku to gilyaku". Where have you seen in Russia shouting "who does not jump that hokh.ol" or "ho.holya.ku to gilyaku"? why help then?
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen April 10 2014 14: 21
        +3
        Quote: ed65b
        Why should I help the bastard who yells "moskoly..ku to gilyaku".


        And no one is talking about "bastard".
        It is about pulling out a part of one’s own people from the same jo.py in which they put it. Rebooting brains them to do. And then for 23 years they were formatted cool ... Politically right move. And from an economic point of view - as always, Ivan will pay for everything. But if parallel to Ivan will improve living conditions, then such a policy is quite competent!
        But I don't really believe in the speed of the second part of the "Marlezon ballet".

        But this does not bother you ?:
        "... The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, has adopted a project for the construction of the Grozny-City-2 multifunctional complex, which will include the 400-meter Akhmat Tower and a large pool over the Sunzha River to create the effect of a two-story river ..."

        Where is the money from? Are all problems in the republic resolved? ... and if you drip a little deeper ... they did not yell, they just cut out the Russian-speaking population ... well, that’s so, the digression is lyrical ...
  20. sv68
    sv68 April 10 2014 10: 07
    +4
    enter the Chinese version of the fight against corruption, the country will become much easier. And the comparison with ukroina is incorrect — we want to live for ourselves at our own expense — they want to live at someone else’s expense. Therefore, they are engaged in revolutions and maydan in the hope of heaven’s manna
  21. maximus235
    maximus235 April 10 2014 10: 07
    +2
    The article itself is about nothing.
    - "Everything is bad with us!"
    - "What is wrong?"
    - "Everything is bad! Go on x .."

    Where is the specifics? Where are the suggestions?
    1. mackonya
      mackonya April 10 2014 15: 51
      0
      Here I am about that, but somehow they took my criticism painfully. Usually when someone condemns reforms, cites facts of "decline", but does not provide any solution or ways of development, then one can see "evil" intent.
  22. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya April 10 2014 10: 22
    +1
    I put a plus just because the author covered a lot of things correctly, but with some "smack" of shit. Well, do not like do not eat and do not offer to others!
  23. GRune
    GRune April 10 2014 10: 27
    +2
    The great country was destroyed in the pursuit of clothes, cars, household appliances and trips abroad.
    1. cheega69
      cheega69 April 10 2014 10: 55
      +2
      Add sausage - many, many varieties. But from soy.
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen April 10 2014 13: 15
        +1
        Quote: cheega69
        But from soy.


        And this is at best)))))
  24. siberalt
    siberalt April 10 2014 10: 27
    +3
    An article as an article. About what everyone already knows. If there were no change for Yeltsin, we would not differ much from Ukraine. One piece is tailored.
  25. Oleg2363
    Oleg2363 April 10 2014 10: 39
    +2
    Westerners are no longer working, but are engaged in banking, science, creativity, and, most importantly, are engaged in the service sector. The goods are made by the Chinese.
  26. 51064
    51064 April 10 2014 10: 44
    +1
    In my opinion, not everything is so bad with the article.
    The author wants to see a strong state that is able to implement effective management and effective policy in all areas. This is required in any socio-political system. This was especially lacking in Russia in the 90s, when wild capitalism and the initial accumulation of capital were developing, which could not have been formed in a semi-criminal and criminal way, which is still a big problem just because it caused unbridled corruption. As for the sectors of the national economy of the USSR, they did not produce, in principle, products competitive on the world market, with the exception of mainly the products of the military-industrial complex and enterprises of raw materials industries. Accordingly, when integrating into the world economy, the decline in production and agriculture in the country was practically unavoidable, respectively, science, education, culture, the social sphere suffered the same fate. Which in turn led to a decrease in the standard of living of many segments of the population, an increase in mortality and a decrease in life expectancy both in Russia and Ukraine. These negative trends in Russia have almost been overcome, in Ukraine - far from there. Corruption and tolerance of society to corruption in our country is not a plowed field, or rather virgin lands of the USSR.
    As for the unification of post-Soviet countries in the literal sense, I am against, and I do not see it now as a priority goal, the achievement of which can significantly improve
    our life. Deep economic and political alliances are another matter - yes, it works.
    The situation with Ukraine and Crimea is very sad, Crimea became Russian rather out of the hopelessness of the situation, when out of two evils everyone - both in Crimea and in Russia - had to choose the lesser one. With good governance, Ukraine should not have been torn apart between the EU and Russia, it should have taken maximum advantage from its position, pursued a multi-vector foreign policy, developed the economy, and strengthened economic, political and cultural ties with both Russia and the West. In the domestic political sphere, interethnic relations should be considered one of the priority areas, since Ukraine is far from a mono-ethnic country, there are now eight million Russians in it, and all of them are citizens of the state, indigenous people. The Ukrainian authorities have done almost all the years exactly the opposite in the domestic political sphere, the actions of the authorities can be characterized by a simple phrase - humanitarian genocide. Language, history, culture, and sometimes the very historical homeland of Russians in Ukraine have constantly become the object of pressure and discrimination. Meanwhile, the question of language is in the modern world no longer a question of belonging to a nation. Give Russian the official status of the language of interethnic communication, at least, and even if the whole of Ukraine speaks it, the Ukrainian will not become Russian from this, just as a German will not become an Austrian or Swiss. We are different, we have a different culture, history, different stereotypes of behavior and thinking, many already have different historical homelands. Nothing needs to be done - generations are changing, only the core of what has always united our fraternal peoples will remain. So the problems are not in peripheral capitalism and young democracy in Russia and Ukraine, but in the essence of the "catastrophe" and how it was carried out - who is in power, how those in power are realized and how strong is the state, how competent and wise policy and management it is able to implement ...
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 10 2014 10: 48
    +1
    The beginning of the article is good. But in the end the person suffered. So they allow us to lower the amers? Are we allowed to conclude unprofitable unions for the West? Yes, we just learned to play their games and began to replay them in their own field according to their own rules. It is clear that we cannot build socialism. But at least the main thing is to prevent new losses.
  28. cheega69
    cheega69 April 10 2014 10: 54
    +2
    Put article +. I explain why. I remember myself well during the years of collapse, bright expectations, dances on the bones of my country (I danced myself too). Then CRASH. Parents fled from Georgia, I left Kharkov, settled in Voronezh. Production is closed, there is no trade. To this day, the plants lie, so some kind of revival is present.
  29. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 10 2014 11: 04
    +1
    Andrey Gerasimov! I, like all speculators, are saddened by your position. But as a decent person in the past (a former officer) I support your conclusions.
  30. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 10 2014 11: 09
    +1
    I even guess that your language was spinning. If parses curiosity I can tell. Although you probably understood me already. Unfortunately, society is not yet ripe.
  31. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 10 2014 11: 09
    0
    I even guess that your language was spinning. If parses curiosity I can tell. Although you probably understood me already. Unfortunately, society is not yet ripe.
  32. dmb
    dmb April 10 2014 11: 21
    +2
    As always, the discussion of the article boiled down to a discussion of the author's personality, his "turbidity" and non-adherence to the opinion that Putin is "our leader and father", as well as the clarification of Gaidar's nationality. Esteemed critics, what do you disagree with in the essence of what has been said? Do you think that in the USSR we lived worse than now? Argument your opinion and not only general phrases. The funny thing is that the overwhelming majority of you love Stalin immensely, who would put Putin and the entire Ozero cooperative behind bars in the best (for the cooperative) case.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon April 10 2014 12: 24
      +1
      Subtly spotted good
      So many people cannot even understand the meaning of what they read and are engaged in myth-making.
  33. VictorB
    VictorB April 10 2014 11: 21
    0
    It is logical!
    Quote: polite people
    Give only a reason, Ukrainians.
  34. vovan50
    vovan50 April 10 2014 11: 23
    +1
    Cool written. Everything was so, and it continues. I could put 10 ++, I would. But there is just no answer to the question What to do and where to move on. Personally, I myself am one of those 25 million who were abandoned (betrayed), I see no prospects for myself, nor for my children and grandchildren. And of course, with great understanding and pain in my heart, I relate to the Russian struggle in southeastern Ukraine. I wish them victory!
  35. Colonel
    Colonel April 10 2014 11: 25
    +2
    But even this did not make us think better.

    Okay, it didn’t make us stupid military men change their minds, but where were you
    Head Department of honey. computer science and statistics I.M.Sechenova, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences
    , on our stupidity, they defended dissertations to explain to us how narrow-minded we are ???
    What would you suggest that would
    team up and try to play the game in your own way
    ?
    Again: "It's good to be smart earlier, like my wife later"
  36. mpa945
    mpa945 April 10 2014 11: 31
    +1
    In my opinion, compared just correctly.
    Yes there are differences, but the general:
    1. Wild market
    2. Cave capitalism
    3. Production degradation
    4. All the states of the oligarchs to put it mildly ... are not legitimate.

    I believe that only the nationalization of key industries, including the defense industry, can save. (The thesis about the effectiveness of a private owner in these areas cannot be confirmed in recent Russian history.)
    Private can only be that created by the owner himself. Then there will be a "master's" approach.

    Change in tax policy in favor of manufacturers. Plus state preferences to manufacturers.

    They ate it very briefly ...
  37. Eroolguy
    Eroolguy April 10 2014 12: 14
    +1
    To the author +, honestly, though sad
  38. Semenov
    Semenov April 10 2014 12: 19
    0
    "Fucked through the polymers," as they say. In government circles, a discussion about the construction of import-substituting industries flares up (today). From the media: a new corvette (submarine, boat, tug) was launched, the electronics in the nuclear shield are completely domestic, a contract for the purchase of domestic aircraft has been signed (civilian, military), the development of new wide-body aircraft, and so on. Not everything is so bad, comrade, the chicken is pecking by the grain, oil and gas will help us.
    1. Kurkin
      Kurkin April 10 2014 12: 38
      +1
      The nationalization of oil and gas will help us, as well as the banking sector and category A facilities, the state monopoly on currency and foreign exchange operations and foreign trade, and the return of assets from offshore to the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation.
  39. MahsusNazar
    MahsusNazar April 10 2014 12: 23
    0
    Minus aftaru !!
    Another clown with a bunch of degrees, lamenting that his poor little one was robbed by oligarchs and led by authoritarian Putin.
    Engage in physical science and medical informatics and statistics, and do not meddle with the analysis and comments of individuals behind a bunch of degrees (sort of like smart - I have the right)
    In short, a provocative little article ...
  40. Aragorn
    Aragorn April 10 2014 12: 25
    0
    Quote: Havoc
    Quote: polite people
    Give only a reason, Ukrainians.


    All the time it bothers me that with such a number of cities in the Southeast, this does not take into account small towns and villages, 3-5 thousand people come out for rallies, this is at best. What is it? inertia of the population, fear or people are happy with everything? I don’t want to think that the bulk of the population expects that the uncle from the east will pass and ruin everything.


    In this situation, will there be more in your city? In Ukraine, even through such an army as it is, fewer and fewer people passed every year, the majority "mowed".
  41. 1536
    1536 April 10 2014 13: 10
    +1
    Pessimism in every line. How can you write articles with peripheral psychology and knowledge. When Mozhaisky was designing and making his plane, they also laughed at him, but he did not leave for the west and did not consider that he was working on the periphery. When Zhukovsky was developing the theory of aeronautics, he did not leave for the West. Western designers are still using his discoveries. Tupolev said that although he is not a communist, he also loves his homeland. And Korolev, who was born in Crimea, but dreamed of conquering the Universe, and Alferov, Landau and you never know who else, who were and are at the forefront of science, culture, art, technology, defense industry and lead entire schools, institutes, directions. We will also erect monuments to them. I remember that "perestroika" began with the publication of just such articles in the press. Then they began to discuss them, poured ashes on their heads, and from their inferiority they went to drink vodka or left for "dachas", where they quietly degraded morally and physically. And power was indeed seized by unprincipled careerists, but active people who did not disdain anything. I believe that in 23 years in Russia we have survived and digested all this, got rid of our "inferiority" imposed on us by "careless cunning zealots" and "superintendents of perestroika" who stole all the national property and deceived the people. Or they themselves stopped in time. Although it is hard to believe in it. Therefore, the danger of a repeat of the events in Ukraine is great. But the Ukrainians were in some kind of suspended animation all this time. And it turned out that in a dream they put into their heads hatred of work in their country, of neighbors who live a little better, and of their fellow citizens, finally. For them, perestroika will never end. Eventually they began to think with their stomachs. In small Switzerland alone, 150 thousand Ukrainians are farm laborers. The Germans got their way. During the Second World War, they drove echelons of labor from Ukraine, and today this labor force goes to them and is ready to work there under any conditions. I am also alarmed that Putin is practically alone. But thank God that his words fall on fertile soil, and he is a man of action, because he understands that if he takes a course of rapprochement with the West, then at best he will become the second Gorbachev, and at worst ... I still have in the eyes of frames with the execution of M. Gaddafi. And modern Russia is still not Ukraine. And we must not retreat under any circumstances.
  42. Revmirovich
    Revmirovich April 10 2014 13: 33
    +1
    Yes, the correct article, and the thoughts are also correct.
    Only she has no ending: "What to do?"
  43. stoker
    stoker April 10 2014 13: 52
    +3
    Quote: Dabadub
    At the same time, they will fight with the "BANDEROV" people, 80-85% of the population of my country. Does that mean everyone is under the knife?

    The referendum in Crimea gave different figures. Free expression of the will of free people in the presence of independent international observers. Nobody disputes the results. The noise is only about the so-called. "legitimacy" and "inconsistency" with the Constitution of Ukraine. How many were put under the knife?
    The reaction of Ukraine is clear - to receive such a slap in the face from millions of its citizens.
    If the question was added to the bulletin: “Do you consider yourself a fan of S. Bandera?”, How many people, in your opinion, would answer positively? You are a supporter - your and your family's problems.
    Now for the rest. I’m not accustomed to speak for all Russian citizens. For myself.
    I am absolutely indifferent to how you lived and live there. The attention was attracted only by the pearls of your historians and politicians, and the endless theft of gas. If you think that I dream of annexing Central and Western Ukraine to Russia (especially by military means) - no. On the contrary, I believe that these territories should be attached to the European Union at any cost (even at the cost of occupation "under the UN flag"). Under no circumstances, under any guise, they should not be allowed into the RF NOW. Don't get your hopes up. Perhaps later, over time, if you deserve it, with an oath and kissing the flag.
    South and East give the opportunity to understand themselves through referenda. Optimally, under the auspices of the UN. As they decide - so let them live.
    So calm down and do not look for Russian tanks under your bed. On the contrary, you and I must make every effort so that the West of Ukraine more likely enters Europe.
  44. PATTIY
    PATTIY April 10 2014 16: 02
    0
    it's you, the author, in vain so about China.
    Not to mention Russia. Russia, China, India, Brazil - a global trend.
    Well, what you wrote is IT WAS