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To Odessa or Kiev: where will Putin go?

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Review of foreign media


Because of the rallies and actions in the south-east of Ukraine, foreign media again argue on the topic that has not yet had time to become dusty: will Russia repeat the “Crimean scenario” and how far can Vladimir Putin go.

To Odessa?


After the rapid adoption of the Crimea into Russia, the scenario of “Russian Donbas”, “Russian Lugansk” and “Russian Kharkov” no longer seems unrealistic. But the difference is still there - and not only that “our Donetsk” sounds less pompous than “our Crimea,” writes Gazeta.ru in its editorial article “Donetsk - Kherson - Odessa”.

To Odessa or Kiev: where will Putin go?
Donetsk. Reuters Photos


Pro-Russian separatists from the eastern Ukrainian region broke into the building of the Donetsk regional administration, closed there from within, spontaneously “deprived the mandates” of deputies, declared themselves “people's council” and declared the creation of “Donetsk people's republic”. The same people decided to hold a referendum on joining Russia no later than May 11. The same people accepted an appeal to Vladimir Putin with a request to introduce a temporary peacekeeping contingent on the territory of the Donetsk region. And this is one of the main differences between the situation and the Crimean one, the article says.

If in Crimea, the decision to hold a referendum was made by the legally elected Supreme Council of Crimea, even if “at gunpoint”, as they called it in Kiev, in Donetsk the “independent republic” was not even said by the deputies of the local parliament, but by the activists deputies are illegitimate, emphasized in the publication.

If Kiev gives the regions the opportunity to hold "referendums" and declare independence, then the further scenario is also understandable. However, it will not be possible to stop at the accession of Donetsk to Russia. Then you can attach not Lugansk or Kharkov (they can only be a pleasant addition), but Zaporizhia and Kherson — then we can get to “our Crimea” overland through “our Kherson” while the bridge across the Kerch Strait is being built. The next goal is Odessa, because where are we without Odessa, and on the way to Odessa we will have to take Nikolaev. And from Odessa and Transdniestria is within reach, especially since they already wrote a corresponding request to the State Duma, summarized in the article.

Or to Kiev?

Just a few weeks ago, a thorough reflection on the various tactical moves of Russia to invade Ukraine seemed useless to alarmism. Today it seems wise discretion, writes Eugene Sautin in The American Interest.


Kharkov. Reuters Photos


As a repeat of the Crimean operation, Russian troops can enter the Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkov regions under the pretext of protecting the local Russian population, the author believes. The occupation of the strategically important Donbass and the second largest city of Ukraine, Kharkiv, will give Russia new leverage, since it can either join these territories or return them as a result of an agreement on turning Ukraine into a federal state.

Such an operation would be a clear violation of the norms of international law and generate a strong negative reaction even among the few Russian allies. However, this side effect can be minimized to some extent by using the local paramilitary militia in tandem with the Russian special forces. This will create confusion and confusion on the ground. And this tactic has already been used in the Crimea, the article says.

Russia may also intend to seize the entire south-eastern Ukraine for several reasons. It will be very Putin-like: in retaliation for wounded pride, to deprive the remnants of Ukraine of access to the Black Sea. In addition, this strategy will help solve the infrastructure problems faced by Russia in connection with the annexation of the Crimea, writes Sautin.

Russia does not need to seize the whole country in order to achieve its obvious strategic goals. The concentration of troops near Chernigov indicates that Russia may decide to use the factor of tactical and strategic surprise, and instead of invading the pro-Russian territory in the southeast, which many expect, will march to Kiev - the most direct route. According to American estimates, Russia can achieve its military goals in a matter of days if it starts to act without warning, the author notes.
A lightning assault on Kiev is likely to destabilize the situation. It will show the Ukrainian people that their government is powerless in front of Russian power, and will demonstrate once and for all that NATO will not come to its rescue. The Ukrainian political elite, who have learned well how to be a flippant and “cooperate” with the Russians, will be forced to agree to a proposal for federalization at gunpoint. The Euromaidan movement may lose its middle-class centrist supporters, who will come to the conclusion that their struggle was in vain, the publication said.

Moscow script ...

“The events unfolding in Donetsk and throughout Eastern Ukraine are very similar to those that led to the Russian annexation of the Crimea,” the New York Times editorial said. “Pro-Russian separatists” in Donetsk “thoroughly follow the script written in Crimea,” the authors believe.


Lugansk. Reuters Photos


“Perhaps the separatist unrest in Donetsk and other places is intended to force Kiev to conclude an agreement acceptable for Moscow [on the federalization of Ukraine and its refusal to join NATO],” admits The New York Times. However, even Vladimir Putin, as stated below, “may not be able to control the passions,” which he “awakened”. “It’s easy to imagine how separatist demands in Donetsk, Kharkov, or Lugansk translate into violence, forcing Putin to keep his promise to“ protect ”the Russians in Ukraine (or giving him a reason to do it).”

Putin should understand that the invasion of Ukraine will cost much more than the Crimean putsch, and this price will result in damage to the already subsiding Russian economy, and in the new cold war, which undoubtedly will follow, the newspaper predicts.

... and London

According to British experts from the Royal Joint Institute for Defense Studies (RUSI), May will be a critical period for Russia's actions in Ukraine. Based on a variety of factors, the think tank offers four scenarios of a possible Russian invasion, reports Le Figaro journalist Alain Barluet
.


The girl gets a Russian passport in Simferopol. Reuters Photos


According to RUSI, Russia concentrated along the northern border of Ukraine for the length from Kiev to Kharkov four military groups with a total of 50 thousand people.

The first scenario proposed by analysts provides for a brief demonstration of power in order to force Ukraine and the world community to accept the loss of Crimea as a fait accompli, the article says.

The second scenario assumes the actions of the Russian forces in the South-East of Ukraine to incite unrest. They will serve as a pretext for the opening of the corridor between the Crimea and Donetsk, which will be de facto annexed.

“The third scenario, the expansion of the previous one, will allow the pro-Russian movement to split the country in two, and the Russian-speaking South and East will become part of an education comparable to the Bosnian Serbian Republic,” writes the journalist.

“According to the fourth scenario, Russian troops will make a strategic maneuver to create a corridor connecting Transnistria and the Crimea,” the author continues.

“This arc, outlining the“ new Russian territory ”, will change the map of the Black Sea and will become a fundamental challenge for the European order,” Barluje quotes a warning from RUSI.

Putin's fishing pole

Faced with local attempts to putches, the legal authorities of Ukraine must simultaneously demonstrate their firmness and flexibility, according to the editorial article The Globe and Mail, entitled "Don't fall for Putin, Ukraine."



To respond to force with excessive force means to play into the hands of Vladimir Putin. He expects a heavyweight response, which he can use as a pretext for sending Russian troops, the publication notes.

The Russian media covered the seizure of the Donetsk regional administration and the proclamation of the “Donetsk People’s Republic” as a serious declaration of independence. “Moscow is obviously aimed at extracting benefits from the situation and at creating situations for extracting benefits from them,” the newspaper notes.

In February, the Ukrainian parliament voted to abolish official bilingualism in the south-eastern regions. Fortunately, the newspaper writes, the acting president Alexander Turchinov put a veto on the bill.

“The Kiev government should continue to show respect for the Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine,” recommends The Globe and Mail. - Kiev leads the hardest chess game with Moscow, and Russia has more pieces on the board. To win, the Ukrainian government must not fall into the traps of Moscow. ”
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  1. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam April 9 2014 07: 07
    +21
    Faced with local coup attempts, the legitimate authorities of Ukraine must show at the same time hardness and flexibility, says The Globe and Mail editorial

    The smart ones live in geyevrope.

    will be a fundamental challenge for European order

    Themselves tell bedtime stories and are AFRAID-A-A-A-A-A-A
    .
    1. domokl
      domokl April 9 2014 07: 34
      +20
      Thank you for the review. But in fact .. The young people are foreigners ... They act correctly, or rather write ... But now, unlike the Geyropeans, we sometimes look into the encyclopedia ... I would really like to see even the journalists there did ... Look what the word separatism means lol And try to combine it with the requirements of the federation ...
      1. GDP
        GDP April 9 2014 09: 54
        +12
        What is interesting to all, without exception, Western analysts absolutely do not care about the Russian population of the Southeast. For them, Russians in Ukraine seem to be some kind of annoying hindrance and not people at all ...
        1. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... April 9 2014 10: 44
          +8
          They do not care only for their interests.
          Huh for them Russian-Ukrainians ?, Ukrainians ?, Serbs?, Syrians? ... Material for analytics and statistics. No more.
        2. Nick
          Nick April 9 2014 13: 02
          +5
          Quote: GDP
          For them, Russians in Ukraine seem to be some kind of annoying hindrance and not people at all ..

          I just want to correct it, the South-East is, in fact, not Ukraine, but Novorossia, by coincidence, withdrew to the artificially formed quasi-state of Ukraine.
      2. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 9 2014 11: 14
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        we sometimes look into the encyclopedia ..

        The dictionary tour can be continued:
        Quote: domokl
        Ukraine’s legitimate authorities must be both firm and flexible, The Globe and Mail editorial says

        Where did they see the legitimate authorities in Ukraine? request
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 9 2014 07: 40
      +8
      Quote: MainBeam
      Themselves tell bedtime stories and are AFRAID-A-A-A-A-A-A

      and you didn’t do this in childhood? wassat laughing
    3. avant-garde
      avant-garde April 9 2014 07: 46
      +21
      Quote: MainBeam
      Themselves tell bedtime stories and are AFRAID-A-A-A-A-A-A

      Here are some excerpts of the current heroes of the outskirts. The article is called "An American destroyer entered the Black Sea to support Ukraine"
      Comments under the article:

      Alim Crimea
      this is our self-defense of the American brothers ...
      in the east some ub-ki already

      Den Tar 287691ce
      One such ship is capable of sinking the entire glass-washing fleet)

      hahahaha
      naive shapkozakidatel)))))))) your "matskva" has a range of 600 km, and AUG - 2000. Is there a difference? Your "matskva" will be made a reef before she realizes that they are shooting at her)))))))))) And one officer from the Turkish fleet once told me that they can sink the entire Black Sea Fleet in 30 minutes, just he does not bother anyone)))))))))

      So now they are not afraid. There’s still a shorter bunch of pearls who want to neigh or cry over the wretched go to the Censor yes
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 9 2014 08: 00
        +21
        Quote: avant-garde
        Yes, and one officer from the Turkish Fleet once told me that they could sink the entire Black Sea Fleet for 30 minutes, it just doesn’t bother anyone)))))))))

        And they called us yellow fish and an earthworm ... Banderlogs are there, they can only rush around and repeat all kinds of crap that the wind brought.
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn April 9 2014 09: 40
          +8
          BANDERA DIED UNDER SURNAME –– POPPEL!
          IT IS NECESSARY TO NAME BANDEREVS, A ––– EUROPEPS !!!
          Glory to B. Stashevsky - to the liquidator of scum !!!
          1. sichevik
            sichevik April 9 2014 11: 07
            +7
            Quote: nov_tech.vrn
            Glory to B. Stashevsky - to the liquidator of scum !!!

            Dear, I have to correct you. Not Stashevsky, but Stashinsky. True Heroes of Ukraine must be remembered.
        2. volot-voin
          volot-voin April 9 2014 10: 12
          +5
          If they could sink the Black Sea Fleet, they would have sunk long ago. In the meantime, even the United States and its allies are too tough, otherwise we would have long ago become a large analogue of Libya and Iraq, we would have trouble, and BP would pump oil in Siberia with Shell instead of Gazprom with Lukoil.
          1. antoha
            antoha April 9 2014 10: 54
            +3
            Re-equipment at an accelerated pace will preserve our independence, most likely fittings in the series and T50, the arrogant Saxons only understand the power.
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      2. Sibiriya
        Sibiriya April 9 2014 08: 34
        +2
        Alim Crimea
        this is our self-defense of the American brothers ...
        in the east some ub-ki already

        Den Tar 287691ce
        One such ship is capable of sinking the entire glass-washing fleet)

        hahahaha
        naive shapkozakidatel)))))))) your "matskva" has a range of 600 km, and AUG - 2000. Is there a difference? Your "matskva" will be made a reef before she realizes that they are shooting at her)))))))))) And one officer from the Turkish fleet once told me that they can sink the entire Black Sea Fleet in 30 minutes, just he does not bother anyone)))))))))


        The fleet wouldn’t interfere, for a long time everyone would be cut off
        do they have brains on the censor there ????
      3. antoha
        antoha April 9 2014 10: 50
        +4
        Hello everyone! The censor is not a parcel site, in the photo they hooted like ours in Kharkov on the asphalt face down, comments against are immediately deleted, so they have "freedom of speech"
      4. parable
        parable April 9 2014 11: 57
        +2
        When we take Odessa and cut off the outskirts of the sea, it does not matter what our fleet is, we will shoot the entire Russian Sea from the coast, from Ishmael to Sukhum.
        1. vostok68
          vostok68 April 9 2014 14: 59
          +1
          And even now we are covering almost the entire Russian Sea with "Bastions" and others, and what we lack is aviation (TU-22M3)!
    4. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 9 2014 07: 57
      +8
      Quote: MainBeam
      Themselves tell bedtime stories and are AFRAID-A-A-A-A-A-A

      That they are afraid, they are afraid. Spawn the demons, and now they are trying to control them, only something turns out badly. But there is always an excuse - Putin is to blame and Moscow’s long bloody hand.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 9 2014 11: 08
        +2
        Quote: inkass_98
        Quote: MainBeam
        Themselves tell bedtime stories and are AFRAID-A-A-A-A-A-A

        That they are afraid, they are afraid. Spawn the demons, and now they are trying to control them, only something turns out badly. But there is always an excuse - Putin is to blame and Moscow’s long bloody hand.

        Is this Farion in the photo creeping black?
        You go to the toilet like that
        1. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. April 9 2014 12: 40
          0
          Yes, it's not your Barsik, just the angle is not the same.
    5. Sunjar
      Sunjar April 9 2014 08: 01
      +18
      Quote: MainBeam
      The smart ones live in geyevrope.


      Liars live in geyrop. Like, once not ... well, everyone knows the sequel.

      Several commissions from Europe came to check for the presence of troops at the borders of Russia and Ukraine, next to then Ukrainian Crimea. The results of the commission were as follows: there are no accumulations of troops near the border with Ukraine. Now these liars start the same barrel organ that the 50-thousandth concentration of troops of the Russian Federation is in the Crimea, that is, on the border with Ukraine. Well, just one in one story. The lie is still spreading that Russia invaded Crimea by military invasion. What is their evidence? They don’t have them. Not democratic.

      Likewise, Geyropa and the United States pretend to apply double standards, taking for legitimate power those who seized buildings, forcibly forced deputies and other officials to resign from their posts, threw stones at the police, beat them with clubs, and set fire to the police with Molotov cocktails. But these were "democratic" peaceful protesters. And now they are separatists.

      In view of this, the US and the EU have fully earned the title of "Empire of Lies"

      And yet, the West believes that Russia has only economic and strategic interests. And they just can’t understand that the vast majority of Russian citizens support the reunification of Russia with Ukraine not because of the economy and strategy, but because we are a single people, a single Civilization, carriers of the same worldview (which would not be said in the media that we are different, we think differently). In many cities, rallies in support of Crimea were held at one time. And I think few people put in the first place the stay of the fleet. Everyone went to support their people.
      And this is not to understand Western Civilization. They are each for himself, and we have each other for each other, brother for brother.

      There is also information that in the republics that have declared themselves independent, Yanukovych will appear, asking if the people agree that he should be their president, since they elected him at the time, since he was illegally thrown off the throne in due time, and in fact he remains a legitimate president - people agree to leave him president. Of course, we will have to split Ukraine, but this is better than fighting each other.

      As for the imposition of sanctions, they will only introduce them at their own peril. Because it will be possible to shut off gas to them, and to stop importing materials (from metal to wood). It is also possible to abandon their chips, sneakers, Mars, refuse their clothes. And this is a very strong market. The destruction of the USSR allowed the United States and Europe to spur their economies, as a huge sales market opened up. And if this market is blocked, then the losses will be colossal.
      Russia is also reorienting toward slanting. And these people carry out better agreements for the bazaar, as they say, are responsible.
      I hope in our century we will see the sunset of Western Civilization.
      1. BYV
        BYV April 9 2014 08: 39
        +2
        Quote: Sunjar
        There is also information that in self-declared republics, Yanukovych will be declared

        I doubt it. I doubt it very much. What this organism is, we already know.
      2. Wheel
        Wheel April 9 2014 20: 33
        0
        Quote: Sunjar
        Liars live in geyrop. Like, once not ... well, everyone knows the sequel.

        Well, of course, everyone knows that once you try, Europe has become a GEYropu.
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    7. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. April 9 2014 10: 24
      +1
      Who is more afraid, the pseudo-government in Kiev or the Americans from Europe, and why to send troops to Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk, when there is Kiev, they will collect all the leaders of the Maydan people and piz-ts came to the Orange Maidan people and the whole Maidan, and southeast immediately rise. Western democracy will whimper, according to outrage, although Kosovo, Serbia, Iraq, Libya, western monkeys look in the mirror at yourself to see who you are. So, that the GDP has many moves, and if the group unexpectedly moves from Transnistria to Odessa, there are many ways, and what our special forces can do, Crimea showed. There are answers, sanctions, well, you’ll have no oil left without gas, but we have already agreed on gas and oil with China, and tactical nuclear weapons, as the largest arsenal in Russia, what are the geypids, I don’t know if this letter will reach you, well, that would come to a conclusion, but recently found out, it turns out we were in Berlin not 2 times, but THREE, in 1813-1814, so let the Gdrov Komsomol member think with his head, the fiery hello of the secretary of the Komsomol committee.
    8. DimychDV
      DimychDV April 9 2014 10: 48
      0
      The key word in this phrase is "LEGAL"
    9. Ross
      Ross April 9 2014 11: 36
      +4
      In general, the stop for Russia is difficult, you need to act carefully and carefully. A lady without a braid is just waiting for a conflict, she doesn’t care how to steer, even with a bit of Ukraine, just to steer. Because the American protege Poroshenko is a serious enemy. Break the election-illegitimacy will increase. Let the spiders eat themselves up, you need to maintain the South-East carefully. Fracture today seems to be in his direction. Crimeans pulled themselves up and even the Cossacks in Lugansk. So there is a concerted effort. An entire news channel has been created!
      http://novorossia.tv/
  2. Lantau
    Lantau April 9 2014 07: 07
    +16
    To Odessa or Kiev: where will Putin go?

    To Lisbon.
    1. gandalf
      gandalf April 9 2014 07: 10
      +8
      But what about Washington? laughing
      1. Lantau
        Lantau April 9 2014 07: 15
        +4
        But what about Washington?

        Well and then there wink
        1. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq April 9 2014 07: 24
          +6
          Quote: Lantau
          But what about Washington?
          Well and then there

          Wherever he wants, it will reach there ... The Washington Regional Committee has not yet entered the campaign .......
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich April 9 2014 07: 45
            +5
            To Odessa or Kiev: where will Putin go? a rhetorical question ... we will find out when it comes, or did he tell someone ??? lol
            1. COLUN
              COLUN April 9 2014 08: 20
              +5
              Ukraine to the borders of 1654 !!!
              1. dmitriygorshkov
                dmitriygorshkov April 9 2014 11: 29
                +3
                Quote: COLUN
                Ukraine to the borders of 1654 !!!

                An excellent idea! I will write it down! It can be very useful for a slogan like: "We do not need a M.o.s.k.a.l.k.ac.c.a.pyy.with his Trojan horses Give Ukraine within the boundaries of 1654! ..... And, hi live .....
            2. avt
              avt April 9 2014 08: 25
              +1
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              To Odessa or Kiev: where will Putin go?

              Well, right along Gogol - where will this wheel reach? laughing
            3. vadson
              vadson April 9 2014 08: 30
              +1
              you don’t need to tear eggs, you need to convince them to give, well, or like the godfather’s: a gun and a good word ...., the point is to separate Ukraine and the south and the east with your hands in the West, then squeal and stink from them will be less
          2. Patriot.ru.
            Patriot.ru. April 9 2014 12: 58
            0
            These blue ones themselves do not know what they are doing ... A la .. Roman Empire
        2. ermolai
          ermolai April 9 2014 07: 50
          +1
          through Alaska
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      3. Denis
        Denis April 9 2014 07: 21
        +43
        Quote: gandalf
        But what about Washington?

        Meanwhile ...
      4. waisson
        waisson April 9 2014 07: 22
        +13
        and Washington will be a little later
      5. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 9 2014 08: 04
        +10
        Quote: gandalf
        But what about Washington?

        But one of the NATO members will complete the work of a miracle helicopter carrier, and let’s go on it - the main thing is to sneak up unnoticed, get off in appearance laughing
      6. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin April 9 2014 09: 35
        +2
        Quote: gandalf
        But what about Washington?

        First, let's see what Yellowstone will show them, and look at what mission we will have am
      7. Stanislas
        Stanislas April 9 2014 13: 21
        0
        Quote: gandalf
        But what about Washington?
        It’s so easy not to get there ... you have to board a ship or a strategist.
      8. Wheel
        Wheel April 9 2014 20: 37
        0
        Quote: gandalf
        But what about Washington?

        And then Washington will do it ... from terrible hatred. laughing
    2. waisson
      waisson April 9 2014 07: 21
      +45
      ------------- laughing
      1. Kuvabatake
        Kuvabatake April 9 2014 08: 39
        +3
        Where is boarding? I'm with you...
    3. werewolf
      werewolf April 9 2014 08: 07
      +3
      Guys, my advice to you: "COOL YOUR LITTLE!" My bell tower is low - it can be seen from it not so good but ... The performance of the South-East was most likely planned for the peak of patriotism - on May 9 and the disruption of the elections. ... But 15 prisoners of the underground ... i.e. the underground is open HERE ...
      1. Removing the balaclava by the main partisan. To the point of hiding ... The junta already knows who he is. (I respect him. Along the way, he is from the former ... in bearing but not "lean" but a little "nailed")
      2. The uprising is sthii ... nowhere to go ... Therefore, we began a month earlier. So they would be "finished" by May 9
      3. There is nothing to sit in the "trophy" SBU, you have to go into the woods.
      4. Preparation is not so "AHOVA" (Judging by the disclosure and capture of 15 fighters)
      5. We need captured "Wild Geese" to show them to the world, so you need to act proactively. Like to crush a column of punishers. It is advisable to take someone prisoner.
      6. For Russia, even though the speech is spontaneous, I think that we will help both in word and deed.
      And yet ... Not everything is like in the Crimea ... The trade unions did not support the uprising ... the motive - against - in Russia the mines were closed. The junta has no money, but this does not mean that the comrade’s have no money. GOODS - COAL. There will be inflation - there will be a rise in coal prices and albeit a small but increase in salaries. Mostly civil servants and pensioners will suffer ... they feel sorry for them.
      1. Николаев
        Николаев April 9 2014 14: 00
        0
        Quote: Werwolf
        . But 15 captive underground workers ... i.e. the underground is open HERE ...
        1. Removing the balaclava by the main partisan. To the point of hiding ... The junta already knows who he is. (I respect him. Along the way, he is from the former ... in bearing but not "lean" but a little "nailed")

        4. Preparation is not so "AHOVA" (Judging by the disclosure and capture of 15 fighters)
        find po yesterday’s interviews, the men from the SBU do not have time to look. they themselves planned their capture and capture later SBU.tel. negotiations were conducted by a specialist in the open. and Alexey also took off the balaclava for this. All in an interview for the Lugansk television channel. For what - listen, they will tell.
        1. DimychDV
          DimychDV April 10 2014 07: 28
          0
          God grant. And then it also seemed to me that it was a provocation.
    4. Dimych from Vanino
      Dimych from Vanino April 9 2014 08: 11
      +1
      According to the most Dutch))) it will be in Russian!
    5. a52333
      a52333 April 9 2014 08: 56
      0
      GDP: - I caught the Crimea. What to make Donetsk peck?
    6. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 9 2014 10: 29
      +5
      Quote: Lantau
      To Odessa or Kiev: where will Putin go?

      To Lisbon.

      here will restore the borders (or set) ... laughing
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    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 April 9 2014 07: 15
      +44
      Quote: Lantau
      Such an operation will become a clear violation of international law and will generate a powerful negative reaction even among the few Russian allies.
      As in the old famous quote: “And we didn’t notice the elephant!”

      On "TemezTV" - an English channel, they showed: in the parliament, as usual, in the morning, the Ukrainian issue (on duty) is being discussed.

      It turns out that Ban Ki-moon made an interesting statement at the UN yesterday, and for some reason the Ukrainian media are stubbornly silent about him! ..

      The fact is that the UN Security Council once again considered the issue of Ukraine, and experts made the following conclusion in the framework of international law: it turns out that since the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine has not carried out and did not properly register with the UN the demarcation of its borders as a state .. They remain along the borders of the administrative district of the USSR, according to the usual treaty within the CIS, which the UN does not have legal force.

      Since the country does not have its official border within the framework of international law, there is no reason to talk about its violation by anyone.

      There is also no reason to talk about separatism, i.e. forcibly changing the configuration of the border.

      You cannot change that which does not exist!

      The demarcation of the borders of Ukraine - only in the project by agreement with the EU!
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 9 2014 07: 50
        +5
        Quote: Alex 241
        Since the country does not have its official border within the framework of international law, there is no reason to talk about its violation by anyone.

        Plus! hi
      2. Coffee_time
        Coffee_time April 9 2014 08: 31
        -6
        Bike, there is no actual evidence the second day
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 April 9 2014 08: 38
          +3
          Quote: Coffee_time
          Bike, there is no actual evidence the second day
          ДUntil 1991, Ukraine as a state entity did not exist. After the defeat of the August putsch, the State Emergency Committee of the Verkhovna Rada of the Ukrainian SSR declared independence of the republic, which was later confirmed at an all-Ukrainian referendum. After the Soviet Union ceased to exist, the borders of the Union republics were determined within the framework of pre-existing administrative borders. However, Ukraine did not complete the demarcation process.

          In 2010, Pridnestrovie began to unilaterally demarcate its border with Ukraine and Moldova, Segodnya.ua reported. In November 2013, the ZN.ua edition wrote about the beginning of the demarcation of the state border with Belarus. The first border sign was installed next to the Friendship of Peoples Monument near the village of Senkovka. Foreign Minister of Belarus Vladimir Makei then said that both countries count on international assistance in carrying out the necessary work, which, in his opinion, meets the interests of the European Union.

          Recently, the State Border Committee of Belarus announced its intention to hold negotiations on a draft intergovernmental agreement on the approval of the Regulations on the demarcation of the state border between Belarus and Ukraine, Belta reports. As reported, the department received the authority not only to sign the document, but also to make changes and additions to it.

          As for the Russian-Ukrainian border, the first border post was installed on November 7, 2012, but the process has not been completed. The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry admits the situation on the maritime border especially difficult. "The issue of the delimitation of the sea border has not been resolved to the end. First of all, this concerns the Sea of ​​Azov. The corresponding commission continues its work," said Nikolay Doroshenko, director of the first territorial department of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, to RBC-Ukraine.

          On Monday, sources of the Ukrainian Observer accused the Russian side of not rushing to complete the demarcation process: the necessary funds were not allocated to the FSB Border Service.

          "The head of the Ukrainian delegation, Leonid Osavolyuk, informed the Russian side of the Ukrainian side's readiness to carry out work on the establishment of border marks. However, the Russian side did not express significant interest in further steps and indicated that at this time the FSB Border Service of the Russian Federation has not been allocated funds for this direction," - asserted the source.

          At the same time, the field stage of demarcation of the joint border was begun only on April 3.
      3. Cynic
        Cynic April 9 2014 08: 56
        +4
        Quote: Alex 241
        Since the country does not have its official border within the framework of international law, there is no reason to talk about its violation by anyone.

        Oh, it’s not good for law-breakers, it’s not good!
        Does the UN prepare an alibi for itself in case Ukraine remains in its original borders of the XNUMXth century?
        But it’s not clear why Russia is such a type of Kosovo on its territory?
  4. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 9 2014 07: 10
    +4
    this by-product can be minimized to some extent through the use of a local paramilitary militia in tandem with Russian special forces. This will create confusion and confusion on the ground. And this tactic has already been used in the Crimea
    Well, there’s nothing to reinvent the wheel. Tactics have been tested. It’s time to take the situation into your own hands !!
  5. mirag2
    mirag2 April 9 2014 07: 11
    +7
    The machine gunner's "pants" are like Schweik's, not in width. laughing
  6. Sergg
    Sergg April 9 2014 07: 12
    +6
    Meanwhile, in western Ukraine


    Public activists in Lviv stormed the regional prosecutor’s office, reports UNN, citing social networks, several dozen activists took the doors off the hinges and still went inside.

    That is, you understand the whole vile double morality of the Kiev junta!

    The Kiev government should continue to respect the Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine,


    This will not be fully done when, since the United States is playing the scenario of a war with Russia in Ukraine. And the Kiev junta acts exclusively at the direction of the United States and the Russian-speaking population of the southeast becomes the victim of an undeclared war, although it is not declared so.
    1. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 9 2014 08: 33
      0
      Who pays, and work according to the instructions
    2. hommer
      hommer April 9 2014 09: 10
      +3
      Quote: Sergg
      Public activists in Lviv stormed the regional prosecutor’s office


      I demand a counter-terrorist operation in Lviv!
      Farion to arm, let him shoot at the prosecutors who have seized Lviv!
  7. techmesh
    techmesh April 9 2014 07: 13
    +4
    how far Vladimir Putin can go.


    Putin knows how and where to go. There is another question - how far will the people of the Southeast go ?!
    1. Denis
      Denis April 9 2014 07: 16
      +55
      Quote: tech laughter
      Putin knows how and where to go. There is another question - how far will the people of the Southeast go ?!
      1. revnagan
        revnagan April 9 2014 11: 34
        +2
        Denis, Donetsk, Kharkiv and Lugansk are not Crimea. In Crimea, unlike the above-mentioned regional centers, there is practically no industry. During the holiday season, people hammer up their family budget for the next year, and then in their free time "kick balls." I am writing this because I know from friends. In industrial cities, in order to survive, people must work constantly (or, like those in Kiev, receive financial support through foreign embassies). In Crimea, again, you can block the isthmus with small forces, and that's it, no riot police from Kiev and the Bandery region will break through. And try to block all the entrances to the region on the continental part. There will not be enough of the entire population. It's just that these regions of Russia are apparently not needed NOW. who, in Kiev, a gang), the industry will stand up, masses of people will find themselves out of work (a lot of free time and no money), and then it will flare up.
        1. Ulus5
          Ulus5 April 9 2014 18: 56
          0
          Quote: revnagan
          Now, if you completely shut off gas to Ukraine (say, there’s no one to negotiate with, in Kiev there’s a gang), industry will rise, masses of people will be without work

          Why overlap? Ukraine itself has refused Russian gas.
          The Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Yuriy Prodan announced that the country's authorities had stopped pumping Russian gas, ITAR-TASS reports.

          “We are not pumping gas today. We still have time to carry out the corresponding pumping,” he said.

          At the same time, the minister noted that the Ukrainian side is not satisfied with the level of gas prices set by Gazprom since April 1, and Ukraine will negotiate with the Russian side to return the old price, which was in the first quarter of 2014.
  8. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim April 9 2014 07: 13
    +5
    I think Putin does not need a fishing rod. Everything goes on as expected. It is interesting when the republics leave Ukraine, what will the center live? They, apart from repressions, do not know how to yell anything else.
    1. techmesh
      techmesh April 9 2014 07: 23
      +7
      It is interesting when the republics leave Ukraine, what will the center live?

      That is the question, will they leave? Banderlogs understand that there’s nothing to eat without them, so they’ll go to all costs, even blood. There’s only one way out.
    2. Yuri Sev Caucasus
      Yuri Sev Caucasus April 9 2014 14: 23
      +1
      Zadolbalo this reeling, it is necessary to accelerate the process. Who will remain that and debts !!!
  9. siberalt
    siberalt April 9 2014 07: 15
    +5
    The West definitely has brains on one side! They themselves are doing everything to split Ukraine, but they see in this undertaking an "evil" Putin. None of the script laid out in the article works. And even more so - Crimean. New Russia as it is itself to be reborn. But Russia will not remain on the sidelines either. Russians do not abandon their own in trouble.
  10. Sergg
    Sergg April 9 2014 07: 15
    +8
    I insist: think, but hasn't Russia declared a war?
    In fact, it did not end. Only in Ukraine can it go into the hot phase, I think everyone is already boiling.

    We will remember that Donbass is a Russian region, albeit with Ukrainian citizenship. Do not forget about it.
  11. horoh
    horoh April 9 2014 07: 17
    +6
    Yes, you need to pick up the entire South-East of Ukraine, and then it will be seen !!!! And to throw mattresses on your continent, let them jackal yourself, don’t get to hell with us, otherwise you really have to break up with blood !!!!
  12. waisson
    waisson April 9 2014 07: 17
    +10
    he understands everything perfectly and will not agree to send troops, but very good reasons are needed, for example, for example, the use of atomic or chemical weapons by Ukraine or the invasion of militants in the Crimea, but for now you hope for Putin, but don’t hesitate !!!
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 April 9 2014 07: 27
      +7
      Quote: waisson
      it won’t go to send troops for this, but very good reasons are needed, for example, Ukraine’s use of atomic or chemical weapons or the invasion of militants in Crimea

      Yes, Ukraine does not have either atomic or chemical weapons, and there are no forces for landing in the Crimea.
      Now everything will depend on the intensity of anti-Bandera actions in the south-east of Ukraine.
  13. Igor39
    Igor39 April 9 2014 07: 18
    +9
    An unexpected incident occurred at a meeting of chess players Petrov and Sidorov, known for his bad character. Half of the brawler's pieces went over to White.
  14. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam April 9 2014 07: 19
    +3
    Putin should understand that the invasion of Ukraine will cost much more than the Crimean putsch, and this price will be expressed both in damage to Russia's already sagging economy, and in the new Cold War, which will undoubtedly follow

    Wishful thinking. The Cold War did not end, but changed the rhetoric from "potential enemy" to "partner." So should we be afraid of the Cold War?

    will be expressed as to the detriment of Russia's already sagging economy

    And here time plays a big role. We have time to invest the loot in the Ukrainian economy before the sowing season, so they will feed themselves in the fall. And they will not have time to sell the industry with energy to the Yankos, it is also easier to withdraw Ukraine from a tailspin

    .
  15. mad
    mad April 9 2014 07: 21
    +4
    It is necessary to divide along the Dnieper and it will be easier for border guards to control the territory and the Nazis will remain in their reserve ... let them jump there as much as they want!
  16. omelya
    omelya April 9 2014 07: 21
    +7
    I don’t know ... I’m scared from all this. What will happen to us?
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq April 9 2014 07: 28
      +7
      Quote: omelya
      I don’t know ... I’m scared from all this. What will happen to us?

      Mistletoe, the sun - everything will be fine ....
      Think good, do what you should and be what happens .....
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 9 2014 07: 30
      +2
      Quote: omelya
      . I'm scared from all this. What will happen to us?

      Dig the bunker.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde April 9 2014 07: 41
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Dig the bunker.

        Two is better, otherwise I'm lazy laughing
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 April 9 2014 07: 43
        +12
        Sanya hi, well, the girl is, and you: dig a bunker laughing Natasha, everything will be fine!
    3. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 9 2014 08: 11
      +3
      Quote: omelya
      What will happen to us?

      What will happen to you in Khabarovsk? In those parts, more Chinese need to be feared, we are not far from here, we are waiting for the devotees with agitation for Svidomo water. Banderlogs also rely on the Don and the Kuban as temporarily occupied territories.
  17. major071
    major071 April 9 2014 07: 23
    +21
    Kiev is leading a very complicated chess game with Moscow, and Russia has more pieces on the chessboard. To win, the Ukrainian government should not fall into the traps of Moscow. ”

    This phrase killed me on the spot. Does someone believe that Kiev is deciding something? There are not even pawns, there are fleas. Speaking of cleanliness, it is Fashington who is playing a game with Moscow, and Ukraine is a bet. hi
    1. Turdaun
      Turdaun April 9 2014 07: 33
      +9
      No, Outskirts are not a bet; Outskirts are a board. The bid is our Russian world or their Phashington. After all, how simple ...
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 9 2014 08: 14
        +1
        Quote: Turdahun
        , Outskirts are not a bet; Outskirts are a board.

        I would even say that Ruin is a prize, a cake on the board. The main goal of opponents on the board is to grab the favorite piece of cake as painlessly as possible without crushing it into the trash.
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq April 9 2014 07: 37
      +5
      Quote: major071
      This phrase killed me on the spot. Does someone believe that Kiev is deciding something? There aren’t even pawns, there are fleas

      Not even fleas .... Protoplasm - eating, drinking, scruffing (including by mouth) ... Why did the Ukrainians sin so much that God punishes them so?
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 9 2014 12: 02
        0
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Why did Ukrainians sin so much that God punishes them so?

        I think "worship of the Golden Calf"!
        But that's my personal opinion.
  18. Turdaun
    Turdaun April 9 2014 07: 24
    +4
    Southeast will not give Bender pack! Overseas puppets cast out wrought iron! Outskirts may return to the bosom of the mother of her intercessor, Great Russia. And then just a little distance away, on the ruins of an overseas adversary, let’s drink for the health of the Russian world .... pressing it tightly to the adversary’s land ... hare in the mud!
  19. mamont5
    mamont5 April 9 2014 07: 25
    +4
    “Russia does not need to take over the entire country to achieve its obvious strategic goals. The concentration of troops near Chernigov indicates that Russia may decide to use the factor of tactical and strategic surprise, and instead of invading the pro-Russian territory in the southeast, which many expect, will go march to Kiev "

    By the way, a very interesting option, if there is already nothing to lose. Throw mechanized columns to Kiev and throw an airborne assault to capture critical structures.

    "Kiev is playing a very difficult chess game with Moscow, and Russia has more pieces on the board. To win, the Ukrainian government must not fall into the traps of Moscow."

    Only here the chess players in Kiev are shitty and possessed, but here we need a very cold calculation. These are not even amateurs, these are the first people who sat down at a chessboard and began to play with the master.
  20. AleksPol
    AleksPol April 9 2014 07: 26
    +4
    To win, the Ukrainian government should not fall into the traps of Moscow. ”

    What a victory. Junta in deep F .. We’d live to see the elections.
  21. waisson
    waisson April 9 2014 07: 27
    +21
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!! good
    1. waisson
      waisson April 9 2014 07: 32
      +13
      RUSSIAN WILL COME WAIT !!!
      1. 120352
        120352 April 9 2014 08: 41
        +5
        waisson
        And these - right on the chopping block with an electric chair, so that the loop was stronger. A nickname is better to send a package to Israel. Let him deal with him there for the betrayal of their own Jewish mother and all the Jews!
        1. DimychDV
          DimychDV April 10 2014 07: 44
          0
          Yeah. In the loop, then chop off the fost on the very heads, and everything that falls to burn out.
          Slavs and so few. Nekhai slippers are sewn by the logger, and they are mouthed there.
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  22. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 April 9 2014 07: 34
    +3
    “This arc, outlining the“ new Russian territory ”, will change the map of the Black Sea and will become a fundamental challenge for the European order,” Barluje quotes a warning from RUSI.

    The arc will appear by itself, the residents of the Southeast must decide how and with whom to live next, a matter of time, it remains to wait ..
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 9 2014 12: 13
      0
      Quote: Ilja 22

      The arc will appear by itself,

      No! Not that Mr. Barluz from RUSI smokes something!
      How can an arc change the map of the Black Sea?
      What are the forces in the sea’s plans to redraw? The most ridiculous thing is that the whole world lives at the prompts of these stoned pseudo-experts!
  23. Jarik56
    Jarik56 April 9 2014 07: 35
    +3
    There is another important point - states with unresolved territorial problems are not accepted either in the EU or NATO.
    1. AleksPol
      AleksPol April 9 2014 07: 46
      +4
      For them, the law is that drawbar .....
  24. Viktor163
    Viktor163 April 9 2014 07: 36
    0
    It's time to be in Kiev. And then Tbilisi is about ... whether.
  25. explorer
    explorer April 9 2014 07: 36
    +2
    “According to the fourth scenario, Russian troops will make a strategic maneuver to create a corridor connecting Transnistria and the Crimea,” the author continues.

    “This arc, outlining the“ new Russian territory ”, will change the map of the Black Sea and will become a fundamental challenge for the European order,” Barluje quotes a warning from RUSI.


    - good maneuver, and the little corridor will come out wow.laughing laughing
    1. Weigher
      Weigher April 9 2014 13: 49
      0
      "and the little corridor will come out wow"
      In a word, the hall! wink
  26. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 9 2014 07: 40
    +4
    Ukraine is a Russian land and by Russian people with * a changed consciousness *. It is necessary to work in this area - the history of counter-propaganda, our NGOs. Almost one year’s income of one Gazprom, when used sensibly in this area, would have been given in the form of dividends to almost the whole of Ukraine. But it’s too late - the young generation is lost.
  27. Sergg
    Sergg April 9 2014 07: 41
    0
    A lightning attack on Kiev is likely to destabilize the situation. It will show the Ukrainian people that its government is powerless in front of Russian power, and will also demonstrate once and for all that NATO will not come to its rescue.


    Golden words, these words would be in the ears of the president. Sooner or later it will be necessary to act anyway. Inevitably
    1. 120352
      120352 April 9 2014 08: 34
      +4
      Now it will only turn the local population into our blood enemies! Our movement to Kiev should begin after their repeated appeals and ALL local people should know about these appeals.
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 9 2014 12: 16
        0
        Quote: 120352
        Now it will only turn the local population into our blood enemies!

        So now the population is our bosom friend?
        AU!
  28. ammunition
    ammunition April 9 2014 07: 41
    +3
    The main thing is that we should understand this:

    This is not Southeast separatists.
    Separatists are all of Ukraine cut off by drunks in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
  29. 020205
    020205 April 9 2014 07: 42
    +1
    Vladimir the Great? And not Crimean laughing
  30. kotyara
    kotyara April 9 2014 07: 42
    +1
    Yes they know how to make an elephant out of a fly!
    1. 120352
      120352 April 9 2014 08: 31
      0
      Kotyara
      So it can be a solution to the food problem! True, I do not know what the elephant meat tastes like.
  31. Evgeniy31
    Evgeniy31 April 9 2014 07: 43
    +1
    This is what I read yesterday. Residents of Donbass against the new government and on weekends go to peaceful rallies. They are also against joining the Russian Federation, and participants in pro-Russian rallies are called armed inadequacies. Moreover, such messages are gaining many advantages. Maybe because of this attitude there is no help? Who thinks about this?
    1. oracul
      oracul April 9 2014 08: 15
      +5
      Everything requires, first of all, the head. You should not build excessive illusions and wishful thinking. Speaking Russian does not mean being Russian. Remember: Russian is the language of interethnic communication. The structure of the population in the South-East is such that Ukrainians make up the majority. Kharkiv demonstrates what it is, where the protesters “appear, then dissolve,” where the interests of the townspeople are represented by Dobkin and Kernes, whose “flexibility” is “admirable.” Crimea was and is really pro-Russian. It seems to me that our interest in the South-East is mainly economic (military-technical cooperation, a corridor to the Crimea) and political (not allowing NATO to reach our borders). The interest on the part of the majority of its inhabitants is rather economic: work, salary, stability. A desire for greater independence from Kiev is added, but not all require this. On the part of Russia, we need attentiveness and accuracy in actions, accurate calculation. Otherwise we will inadvertently run into an elementary provocation of our "friends" partners in order to drag us into a military confrontation. The truth is on our side, but you cannot build politics only on emotions.
    2. With Petrovsky
      With Petrovsky April 9 2014 08: 53
      +2
      Quote: Evgeniy31
      This is what I read yesterday. Residents of Donbass against the new government and on weekends go to peaceful rallies. They are also against joining the Russian Federation, and participants in pro-Russian rallies are called armed inadequacies. Moreover, such messages are gaining many advantages. Maybe because of this attitude there is no help? Who thinks about this?

      Yes, in fact, this is how everything now looks in the Donbass - people are drugged by the Ukrainization that has been during the past years.
  32. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer April 9 2014 07: 44
    +1
    We have the Joker in our hands - Yanukovych! The main thing is to choose the time when to play this card. Now the main thing is to hold out for some city in the southeast for some time, so that Yanyka could be delivered there as a banner of the struggle for Ukraine! Moreover, there is already an organized core in the form of an army of the southeast, in the future it can become a kind of presidential guard. Then the fun begins - the struggle of the legal president and the military junta! Then it will be interesting to look at the reaction of the West. It’s a pity only ordinary people who will suffer as a result of this.
  33. waisson
    waisson April 9 2014 07: 44
    +5
    but in general I don’t know how to return all the gifts
    1. 120352
      120352 April 9 2014 08: 27
      0
      wassion
      The picture resembles a cancerous tumor. Such territories are devouring all the potentials of "Ukraine" that was not intended for it. It would be necessary to return everything to its former borders, and what was before the Pereyaslavskaya Rada, before 1654, to return to the former name: "Zaporizhzhya Sich". This territory will not be enough for an entire region, and it does not need to be a region. We have Mordovia, in which case. The area is enough. You can make a reservation there = a museum and take naughty children there on excursions. And the word "ukraine" should be withdrawn from use, since its more modern articulation has been used for a long time: "border", and our border passes in a completely different place. Along the border of the region, set up anti-monuments: Kostomarov, the founder of the Cyril and Methodius Society, whose goal was to dismember the Russian state. And put it upside down. This is an anti-monument. There is also an anti-monument to Kulish, who invented an artificial language, Ukrainian, and the alphabet for him, "Kulishovka", although he renounced his creations over time. And Bandera and Shukhevych - also there, and the current "leaders" - to collect in cages and show the kids, so that you can see what the immense theft and betrayal of the Russian people lead to. The private production of moonshine and lard is prohibited, since we know what their excessive use leads to. Let the French cognacs drink and eat chocolate. If they can make money on them.
  34. zol1
    zol1 April 9 2014 07: 47
    +4
    Russian President Vladimir Putin can decide on the use of armed forces in Ukraine at any time. Such a right is given to him by the consent of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation received earlier, Viktor Ozerov, chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, confirmed on Tuesday.

    Russia has historically always helped the Slavic peoples in their struggle with the invaders and now must help the east of Ukraine!
  35. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich April 9 2014 07: 48
    +7
    A blind man tripping over a stone scolds a stone, although his blindness is to blame ...
    The West, having brewed porridge in Ukraine, is reaping the fruits of its actions, drawing for the "world community" the main culprit in the person of GDP.
  36. Stinger
    Stinger April 9 2014 07: 52
    +2
    the legitimate authorities of Ukraine must show firmness and flexibility at the same time,

    Something like a sleeping pill with a laxative. The effect is amazing!
  37. CAPILATUS
    CAPILATUS April 9 2014 07: 59
    +3
    something few protesters in the Donbass. Do not want or are afraid? Or maybe everything suits you?
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx April 9 2014 08: 45
      +3
      Quote: CAPILATUS
      something few protesters in the Donbass. Do not want or are afraid? Or maybe everything suits you?

      Not yet evening. As long as there is loot from old salaries and while none of the neighbors have been taken to Kiev, they will cut the coal. As soon as the loot is over and the banderlogs specifically begin to press, here the miners will rise. I don’t know how the others, but the miners for sure.
  38. mackonya
    mackonya April 9 2014 08: 03
    +1
    Western media in their repertoire, "demonization" of V.V. By casting a "shadow" over the whole of Europe, of course, it is easier to control public consciousness, driving it into fear. But already many political scientists and analysts of the EU understand what should be expected from Russia and what foreign policy will be "corrected" and certainly there will be no place for aggression.
  39. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 April 9 2014 08: 06
    +2
    from the Don.
    Demonious junters can only arrange dispersal of civilians. Many Maidan Fuhrer realized that they were thrown by the junta, which means they will have to support themselves by robbing the population, banks. When the prices for everything are reduced and social programs are reduced, the zapadents will also stir, which is happening in Lviv . From this all will power the junta.
    Well, the GDP will not be in a hurry until the bloodshed. It will negotiate with the regional committees, with the participation of the junta and representatives of the Southeast, which Lavrov insists on!
  40. 120352
    120352 April 9 2014 08: 07
    +2
    Duc it to slow down something? I remember that great-grandfathers went to Paris - and nothing! The Parisians were only happy, but the Parisians had a Bistro. Taperich nady to walk to the coast, to the Atlantic Ocean. So that there was where to wash the boots from the road, because they didn't wash something in the Indian Ocean, you see, they just didn't go from the other side. And not on horses now follows to ride, but on something stronger. You can ride on bears, but you can also ride on something pitiful ...
    1. kush62
      kush62 April 9 2014 12: 46
      +2
      The Parisians were only happy, but the Parisians had a Bistro.

      I can imagine how the French will soon shout: shawarma, shawarma
  41. Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 April 9 2014 08: 09
    0
    Quote: Alex 241
    The fact is that the UN Security Council once again considered the issue of Ukraine, and experts made the following conclusion in the framework of international law: it turns out that since the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine has not carried out and did not properly register with the UN the demarcation of its borders as a state .. They remain along the borders of the administrative district of the USSR, according to the usual treaty within the CIS, which the UN does not have legal force.

    Is it true or is it another duck? If true, then Russia, as the successor of the USSR, has the right to these lands!
  42. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 9 2014 08: 10
    +3
    The actions of the activists are similar to the actions of the Maydan’s, that's what worries ..
  43. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 April 9 2014 08: 11
    +1
    Hello!
    My opinion is that, like geyrope and mattresses, Ukraine is not needed, is there another goal, creating hius and lawlessness in Ukraine, expanding the borders of Russia will inevitably lead to a weakening economy and then the decoupling of hot spots in Ukraine and then the mattresses attacking us with geyropa? maybe such a scenario?
    We need an urgent unification in all the CISs into a single country and a good kick for mattresses, let them think better about their super-volcano, the mudstone or mine, or whatever it is, or it’s an hour or two.
  44. upasika1918
    upasika1918 April 9 2014 08: 15
    +3
    GDP is not just waiting. Waiting for a scream, a cry from the West: "Occupy it soon, we are tired of waiting, our viewers are demanding an invasion, tired of waiting! When will you bring in the troops? Journalists are drinking their last business trip, mercenaries begin to plunder the natives. We will give you a Nobel, no two Nobel, just invade, no later than Friday. "
  45. Demon0n
    Demon0n April 9 2014 08: 16
    +3
    As for me, these protest movements are organized by the Yankees. It’s not profitable for us to get in there and you won’t do anything about it. Handwriting of these protests - find 10 differences from the meaningless actions of the Maidan ... as if the author leaves his signature on the paintings ... You can only try to use the situation if you have a ready-made plan.
    As for Kiev, ... or Lviv, etc. ... No and no. We do not need these Maydan citizens: the less we recruit them, the easier it will be to keep an eye on them and keep them away from their potential goals. This is a mine that will explode in 30-50 years (it is necessary to prepare the MT base and bring trained people to the right places ...) and it will explode so that Russia crashes on its ass again. And, it seems to me that this is exactly the option that enemy intelligence is preparing for us: it does not matter what happens with the USA now, the probability that they will completely disappear is almost zero, which means that in the future we will need tools to lower our competitors ...
    It will not be possible for us to improve the mental health of all Bandera people and those who sympathize with them - this is an overwhelming task even within the framework of one person and in the absence of interference in the process. We are deprived of such luxury. Another permanent hotbed of instability and, this time, unprecedented risks (we still cannot deal with the Caucasus, but it will be much more difficult with these) - is not needed.
  46. psychologist
    psychologist April 9 2014 08: 23
    +3
    better immediately to Kiev !! still there will be a lot of stink !! and at least we’ll remove Bandera from power!
  47. Woldemar
    Woldemar April 9 2014 08: 35
    +1
    Quote: Evgeniy31
    This is what I read yesterday. Residents of Donbass against the new government and on weekends go to peaceful rallies. They are also against joining the Russian Federation, and participants in pro-Russian rallies are called armed inadequacies. Moreover, such messages are gaining many advantages. Maybe because of this attitude there is no help? Who thinks about this?

    The fact is that very few people come to these meetings. Our TV channels call the figure of 2-3 thousand and this is from the millionth city. And why people do not go out into the streets is unknown. Probably tired of this whole cat, they just want to live quietly, without war. And, we see, they are waiting for the presidential election and waiting for what will turn out, and then they want to act on the circumstances. I think so.
  48. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake April 9 2014 08: 42
    +1
    Such an operation will become a clear violation of international law and will generate a powerful negative reaction even among the few Russian allies.

    Here is a yeshkin cat ... and all around are so regular, just angels .... laughing am
  49. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 9 2014 08: 45
    0
    Time is at our fingertips, the main thing is that the people on the ground do not disappoint, and we will not abandon our own in trouble.
  50. ed65b
    ed65b April 9 2014 08: 46
    +1
    Yes, they (the junta) should not be forced to sit on the hook Putin, they themselves push around with a flock around the hook, who will swallow the worm faster, the spring zhor went. laughing One mistake after another, and the situation in the country is becoming more and more fatal and fatal. The pastor, lips with a bow, from the TV has been broadcast menacingly for 15 years. And what is not 20? but why there is little things, shooting on the spot. Yanukovych is an angel in the flesh compared to the junta, the most that is a democrat, to the marrow of bones.