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Is Ukraine going to sell documentation on rockets?

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All this year, the Ukrainian events are a cause for disputes in the international arena and for various actions of an unfriendly nature. According to foreign and domestic media, in the very near future, Ukraine may be involved in another scandal, this time concerning military-technical cooperation. According to some media reports, at present, representatives of the Ukrainian defense industry are negotiating with foreign colleagues. The result of these activities may be the transfer of some important technologies.


Is Ukraine going to sell documentation on rockets?


A few days ago there were reports that representatives of the “Southern Machine-Building Plant” (Dnepropetrovsk) are negotiating with representatives of China. In addition, there is information about some negotiations with an unnamed third party, allegedly taking place in Turkey. International cooperation in the field of industry and military equipment is the most common thing, but recent negotiations with the participation of Yuzhmash are cause for concern. Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Yuzhmash plant was engaged in the construction of intercontinental ballistic missiles. As far as is known, documentation on such systems is still stored in the enterprise. Because of this, there is reason to fear the possible transfer of design documentation and technology to third countries.

An additional concern is the economic situation and the risks associated with it. The budget of Ukraine is bursting at the seams, which is why new authorities are forced to look for various ways to replenish it. No one can guarantee that in order to receive a critical loan from a third country, the authorities will not dare to hand over secret documents to it. Such a transaction may have international consequences. For example, the transfer of documents is capable of hitting Russia’s nuclear missile potential. At one time, Yuzhmash produced intercontinental missiles of the P-36M family, which are still in service with the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia.

The Russian Foreign Ministry has already responded to the latest news. The Foreign Ministry recalled that Ukraine is participating in two important international agreements: the Missile Technology Control Regime and the International Code of Conduct against Ballistic Missile Proliferation (The Hague Code of Conduct).

Recall that the voluntary agreement “The Missile Technology Control Regime” was opened for signature in 1987, and since then it has been joined by the 34 states. The agreement implies control over the supply of technologies and equipment that can contribute to the creation of nuclear missile delivery systems weapons. All weapons systems, technologies and equipment that can be used to create nuclear warheads are divided into two categories. Category I includes missile systems with a range greater than 300 kilometers and a payload of more than 500 kg. Category II includes other systems, as well as various technologies and equipment necessary to create combat missiles. In accordance with the agreement, countries cannot transfer each other I category products, and the transfer of category II systems and technologies is possible only under certain conditions.

The Hague Code of Conduct contains a number of points that are mandatory for the participating countries. This agreement is aimed at the non-proliferation of technologies to create ballistic missiles capable of carrying weapons of mass destruction. In particular, the countries that have signed the treaty are obliged not to sell ready-made missiles capable of carrying a nuclear or chemical warhead, and also not to transfer the technologies necessary to create such systems.

The Russian Foreign Ministry expressed concern about recent reports on negotiations between Ukrainian industry and third countries. In addition, the Foreign Ministry hopes that the current Ukrainian leaders and defense enterprises, despite the difficult domestic and foreign policy situation, will continue to fulfill all their obligations and refrain from steps that directly contradict existing international agreements.

Official confirmation that the topic of negotiations with the participation of Yuzhmash is precisely the transfer of documentation on missiles, has not yet happened. Nevertheless, the available information proved to be a sufficient reason for the appearance of a comment by the Russian Foreign Ministry. Foreign countries have not yet commented on the information about the negotiations.

If the information about the negotiations is correct, and their topic really is the transfer of documentation on intercontinental ballistic missiles, then everything could end in a major international scandal. The transfer of technology and drawings is contrary to an international agreement and the world community is unlikely to leave this fact without attention. In addition, the transfer of documentation is able to spur the development of the missile forces of some third country. So far no one can guarantee that such a deal will not affect the balance of power.

From the available information it follows that China may become a potential recipient of the documentation. This country has sufficiently developed strategic missile forces (the 2 artillery corps) and is on duty for at least several dozen intercontinental ballistic missiles. Using old Soviet developments and technologies, Chinese designers are quite capable of upgrading their weapons and thereby increasing the potential of the 2 artillery corps.

At present, China wants to be a leader not only in Southeast Asia, but also in the entire Asia-Pacific region. Such plans of official Beijing cause concern to the countries of the region, as well as to states that have their interests in the Pacific. It is unlikely that these countries - from the USA to Vietnam - will be pleased that China will receive new strategic weapons systems. Thus, the current negotiations may affect the balance of power in one of the largest and most important regions of the planet.

The lack of full-fledged information about the current negotiations with the participation of the Ukrainian enterprise may serve as a pretext for the appearance of various assumptions. As a potential recipient of technology and documentation, Israel is already called, and if the “information deficit” persists, other assumptions may appear. It should be noted that even in the absence of accurate data on the subject of the negotiations and their participants, the latest news is cause for concern of several countries. Time will tell what will be the reaction of foreign states directly interested in the non-proliferation of missile weapons.


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  1. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign April 9 2014 08: 34
    +51
    Yesterday in the "Military Review" on "radio KP" Colonel V. Timoshenko. spoke very well on this matter and gave the fullest alignment on "Voevoda" ... Let them sell if they can.
    (The technology is almost forty years old, not every country has a full cycle of production of components - "Voevoda" is the brainchild of 1200 integrated enterprises, a plug may arise from a buyer even from the materials from which assemblies, parts and bodies of missiles, blocks ... some alloys used in creation of this brainchild of design thought of nine or more components ...)
    The poor poor do not know where to find money for the country!
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    2. Altona
      Altona April 9 2014 08: 39
      +6
      I agree, I also heard something like that ... They will create the E-Governor after passing the second round in a round of old technologies ...
    3. ZU-23
      ZU-23 April 9 2014 08: 39
      +9
      Scientists in Ukraine have already denied that there are such documents at all.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 April 9 2014 09: 13
        +19
        Quote: ZU-23
        Scientists in Ukraine have already denied that there are such documents at all.

        And English scientists have proved that in Ukraine there are no scientists at all.
      2. gfhjkm
        gfhjkm April 9 2014 09: 37
        +4
        Scientists in Ukraine have already denied that there are such documents

        There, two enterprises were designed by one and the other assembled by Satan, i.e. the entire production cycle from design to production is located there.
        1. Terrible ensign
          Terrible ensign April 9 2014 10: 05
          +7
          That's the point ... Designers and assemblers are far from the entire design and production chain. Several enterprises in Khimki (Moscow Oblast) Someone in the Leningrad Region, someone in the Urals ... What do you think, even if it comes to components for the assembly of this missile with production in an unnamed country, Russian defense enterprises will produce and to sell units for such a product as "Voevoda"? Especially with strict monitoring by our state in the field of distribution and trade in defense technologies ...
          1. postman
            postman April 9 2014 11: 53
            +6
            Quote: Scary ensign
            That's the whole point ... Designers and assemblers are far from the whole design and production chain.

            Let me remind you: The creation of the A-4 rocket (known as the V-2) in the first half of the 40s was an outstanding achievement in the development of a new type of weaponry.
            The study by Soviet specialists of German rocket technology in Eastern Europe, which ended in 1946, government decisions on the development of jet weapons, the formation of research institutes, design bureaus, test centers and the allocation of pilot plants. This allowed in a short time to create in the USSR all the conditions necessary for the development of new weapons.
            Even despite the lack of a technological base, materials, etc.
            R-2, R-5, R-7, R-9 missiles all "descendants" of A-4

            from:


            Before

        2. Constantine
          Constantine April 9 2014 10: 41
          +3
          And the engines, and the electronics? Engines, for example, due to the complexity of the unit, cannot be assembled in one gate where the final assembly of the rocket takes place) Voivoda - 1000 and 1 trifle of different difficulty levels and unique designs. smile

          As for the assembly in a third country, China may well buy. Just like they bought the Bison and more. Narrow-eyed people are not able to properly generate innovations on their own, but they can copy and mass produce. Given the backwardness of their nuclear weapons delivery vehicles and the Voivode’s many years of relevance, which has not disappeared so far, such a proposal may well be of interest to them. smile
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich April 9 2014 10: 56
            +5
            Quote: Constantine
            Voivode - 1000 and 1 trifle of different levels of complexity and unique design.
            I read about Hottabych in childhood, he also made a phone there ... from a single piece of marble! laughing
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      4. Artem1967
        Artem1967 April 9 2014 09: 51
        +5
        Ukrouchenyh may not. But the designers of "Yuzhmash" have it! Not knowing this is nonsense.
      5. Nick
        Nick April 9 2014 12: 01
        +1
        Quote: ZU-23
        Scientists in Ukraine have already denied that there are such documents at all.

        It would be very good if this is true ... The question is, how much does this message correspond to reality ...? recourse
        1. sv68
          sv68 April 9 2014 12: 14
          +1
          scientists on ukroin denied the availability of documents for a simple reason, ukrointsy probably already sold these documents
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    5. Canep
      Canep April 9 2014 09: 05
      +7
      Let the DPRK sell the Americans happy.
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 April 9 2014 09: 08
        +10
        Better Iran! good
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      3. ele1285
        ele1285 April 9 2014 09: 14
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        Let the DPRK sell the Americans happy.

        Let them sell rice for soldering, they will soon have nothing to eat.
    6. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer April 9 2014 09: 36
      +4
      Designing is much easier when you have a good example in front of you.
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    8. gfhjkm
      gfhjkm April 9 2014 09: 44
      +3
      Kolomoisky came to Yuzhmash. Already on March 6, 2014.
      Arriving literally three days earlier, on March 3, 2014, in the city, which he himself had asked for governorship, about which he made a mistake at his first teleconference.
      And here is the photo Kolomoisky presented to Yuzhmash. March 6, 2014. Even then I knew what would be selling.
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      2. gfhjkm
        gfhjkm April 9 2014 09: 47
        0
        Officially, it sounded like this:

        "The chairman of the Dnipropetrovsk regional state administration Igor Kolomoisky got acquainted with the prototyping process of the head space part" Dnepr -2013 №1 "and international spacecraft at" Yuzhmash "."
    9. mackonya
      mackonya April 9 2014 12: 06
      +1
      Unfortunately the phrase "... Poor fellows do not know where to find money for the country!" will be relevant for a long time.
    10. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 9 2014 12: 44
      +11
      Quote: Scary ensign
      "Voivoda" is the brainchild of 1200 integrated enterprises, the buyer may have a gag, even from the materials from which units, parts and hulls of missiles, blocks should be made ... some alloys used in the creation of this brainchild of design thought have nine or more components ..


      PO Southern Machine-Building Plant (Dnepropetrovsk) - production of rockets;
      PO "Avangard" (Safonovo, Smol.obl.) - manufacturing of a transport and launch container;
      Design Bureau of Electrical Instrumentation (Kharkov) - development of a missile control system;
      NPO Rotor (Moscow) - development of a set of command devices;
      Design Bureau of the Arsenal plant (Kiev) - development of an aiming system;
      KB "Energomash" (Khimki) - development of the rocket first stage engine;
      Design Bureau of Chemical Engineering (Voronezh) - development of a second stage rocket engine;
      KBSM (Peter) - development of a combat launch complex;
      TsKBTM (Tver) - development of a command post;
      GOKB "Prozhektor" (i-mash Moscow) - development of a power supply system;
      NPO Impulse (Peter) - development of a remote control and monitoring system;
      KBTXM (Moscow) - development of a fueling system.

      These are only the main (head) firms, even the element base for the on-board computer was from the Minsk "Integral", and the stage of breeding, if memory does not change, back in the 80s under Gorbachev was transferred with all the documentation to NPO Mashinostroyenia (Reutov).
    11. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa April 9 2014 17: 12
      +2
      The third party from Turkey is the United States, I believe, and they are not interested in the production of missiles, they need real performance characteristics and the capabilities of this product that they can draw from the project documentation to create the most effective means of dealing with it, for example, interceptors adapt missiles to some P36 indicators . Well, the rest will really not be able to copy, if only some individual units, elements or alloys for adaptation on their projects, most likely there are still some engineering (structural) solutions better than for example the PRC today.
    12. Unheavyshadow
      Unheavyshadow April 9 2014 17: 24
      +1
      This is not even the point, it’s just a pity that the creatures of the Soviet genius are being poured into the West. Su-27 .. BTR-80 .. Now it ..
    13. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch April 9 2014 17: 31
      0
      China will reproduce ... And it will not bother with rafting. The main thing is that technology will receive, and reproduction is a matter of time.
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 April 9 2014 08: 35
    +12
    From the category, we all drink, but the fleet is not a disgrace! smile
  3. fregina1
    fregina1 April 9 2014 08: 37
    +8
    Ukrainians are at the last stage of under-state! Selling power, empty heads! Nowadays there is not enough Trotsky, Lenin, Fidel, Chavez, etc. As soon as there will be a clear leader ..... land to the workers ... plants to the peasants! Flames so that Walk the Field will seem a kindergarten!
  4. sazhka4
    sazhka4 April 9 2014 08: 38
    +25
    They will sell. It's just that the breed is so nasty. And the Native Mother will be sold, there is nothing sacred for the soul ... And Russia will spoil this "holy" cause ..
    1. koshh
      koshh April 9 2014 20: 22
      0
      Quote: sazhka4
      They will sell it. It's just that the breed is so dirty. And Mother Native will be sold, there is nothing sacred for the soul

      The old truth is in a soft interpretation. Where a Ukrainian has visited, a Jew has nothing to do.
  5. AlexA
    AlexA April 9 2014 08: 46
    +5
    Quote: Scary ensign
    plugging may occur at the buyer, even on the materials from which the components, parts and bodies of missiles, blocks should be made

    Absolutely. Even staffers, with their highly developed technological ROCKET-SPACE base, could not reproduce their NK-0 and RD-33 engines. Because they developed their technologies and gained experience in just a slightly different design strategy.
    And other "buyers" are unlikely to be able to reproduce at all. And in the drawings there are no revelations. Let them see.
    1. Moore
      Moore April 9 2014 09: 02
      +6
      I believe no one will reproduce. All this is interesting to those who already have some experience in rocket science.
      It’s just that the CDs will be taken from the rogue for nothing, in which they will probably find more than a dozen interesting design solutions. Yuzhmash has always been famous for design originality - one principle of control of the RT-23 UTTX is what it costs ...
  6. mamont5
    mamont5 April 9 2014 09: 00
    +2
    It may well do this. After all, they are looking for money wherever possible.
    What else will come of this? And then the Chinese will begin to make a rocket according to their drawings and they will receive a steam locomotive.
    And all because they missed the footnote below in small print: After assembly, process with a file.
  7. mabuta
    mabuta April 9 2014 09: 05
    +4
    And then what will they sell, girls? So it was already.
    1. Canep
      Canep April 9 2014 09: 47
      +2
      How much and where?!?!?!
      1. vadson
        vadson April 9 2014 17: 45
        0
        in Turkish resorts look at the animators
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 April 9 2014 09: 58
      +3
      A visit to the hot spots of Moscow will lead you to the idea that the sale of girls will not begin, it will increase dramatically!
      Interestingly, these people also joined the action “I won't give it to a Russian.” They will die of hunger if they don’t find another job and have the skill of working with their hands, and not ...
      Although, I’m talking about evil places from other people's words, and I'm not competent in the issue of body trade. I would like to be mistaken. But I heard about prostitutes from Ukraine and large cities more than once from different people. And this is not from a good life. And, as a doctor, I really would not like the growth of workers in this area. A condom is not a panacea. And for concerned young people, the emergence of affordable demand could be a bomb. In addition to STDs, skin infections, respiratory infections, intestinal infections, hepatitis, etc. can be transmitted. And this is a diversion! If the process of selling Ukrainian bodies begins, then the task of the Russian leadership is not to let these bodies in the Russian Federation, let them integrate into the EU.
      1. rolik
        rolik April 9 2014 11: 04
        +2
        Quote: samoletil18
        Interestingly, these also joined the action "I will not give it to the Russian"?

        It is necessary to release a T-shirt with the print "Do not have from Ukraine, Novodvorskaya too"))))
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 April 9 2014 11: 55
          +1
          I saw a T-shirt with the print "I don't pay Ukrainian women" on the net.
          Quote: rolik
          Quote: samoletil18
          Interestingly, these also joined the action "I will not give it to the Russian"?

          It is necessary to release a T-shirt with the print "Do not have from Ukraine, Novodvorskaya too"))))
          And to see the naked (I’m just afraid for longer) direct path to impotence, infertility, homosexuality, just to mental disorders.
        2. O_RUS
          O_RUS April 9 2014 23: 30
          +1
          Quote: rolik
          It is necessary to release a T-shirt with the print "Do not have from Ukraine, Novodvorskaya too"))))


          good

          ... Do not eat Ukrainian.
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian April 11 2014 09: 23
            0
            Quote: O_RUS
            ... Do not eat Ukrainian.


            I will not.
      2. koshh
        koshh April 9 2014 20: 39
        +1
        Quote: samoletil18
        Although, I’m talking about evil places from other people's words, and I'm not competent in the issue of body trade. I would like to be mistaken. But I have heard about prostitutes from Ukraine and large cities more than once from different people.

        For 23 years, Ukraine has been considered a cheap brothel in Europe, with regards to girls, but it seems that Ukrainian boys are also eager to participate in this. (Just look at these calling and very female organ lips Vityushka Klitschko.)
    3. just exp
      just exp April 9 2014 12: 27
      0
      buy a couple.
      Can I see everyone?
  8. cup
    cup April 9 2014 09: 06
    +1
    another if only as something and something. Ukraine in its repertoire
  9. igorra
    igorra April 9 2014 09: 06
    +3
    Yes, B.L.A.T.t finally someone will already strangle these bitten in zh.pu.
  10. waisson
    waisson April 9 2014 09: 14
    +1
    this is to be expected from this government
  11. parusnik
    parusnik April 9 2014 09: 16
    +3
    And sell ... they need money for pocket money, well, there is ice cream, soda ..
  12. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 9 2014 09: 31
    +9
    I have a smartphone in my pocket. I know the principle of its work and have the necessary documentation and instructions for it. Which, however, does not mean at all that already tomorrow I will be ready to collect the second one. And she’s a rocket ... well, how could it be simpler to say - it will be a bit more complicated than a smartphone. This is on the topic of sales. But in essence, sales - a rare ugliness - to spoil a neighbor and the whole world.
    1. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer April 9 2014 09: 46
      +3
      If you have technical documentation and technologies (there are materials and components, there is equipment, there are personnel, all technical processes have been developed), then you can produce a product.
      For example, the repetition of V-2 saved us time (although there were technological difficulties). so the documentation will be of interest to certain countries. Here, as I understand it, you can also buy specialists.
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex April 9 2014 13: 54
        +2
        Well, far from a fact. There is an opinion that just did NOT save. Since it took a lot of effort and nerves to copy an unsuccessful sample. In fact, we just went that way to the impasse that the Germans had to go through.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac April 9 2014 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: Zerstorer
        If you have technical documentation and technologies (there are materials and components, there is equipment, there are personnel, all technical processes have been developed), then you can produce a product.

        That’s the reason, those documents are, but there are no technologies. The Americans and Europeans have different technologies, the rest of the technologies simply do not have any.
  13. Vityok
    Vityok April 9 2014 09: 35
    +7
    This junta and mother will sell their mother! For a penny and an ass!
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  15. Kodar 75
    Kodar 75 April 9 2014 09: 53
    +3
    Once again, you are disappointed in China. The thought of world domination, hegemony, if you like, does not allow them to sleep peacefully. He went to h.r.e. then. We do not have loyal and reliable allies (except Belarus), unfortunately.
  16. Cristall
    Cristall April 9 2014 10: 04
    +6
    Most of all I’m not afraid for Satan (those technologies have already been viewed by the right people back in 90 ..)
    and the fact that the KB Yuzhnoe and Yuzhmash will be stalled. No alternatives, unlike even the MS (they sell at least to China and others), work with any customer. How will it be with the future Cyclone ... cooperation with Brazil - if there is a madhouse ...
    1. Voenruk
      Voenruk April 9 2014 10: 56
      +1
      So young, and already major general!)
  17. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 9 2014 10: 38
    +2
    We have specialists in servicing Satan and the technology has already been developed for this. Amerikosy will not let them sell the documentation. Quickly catch everyone who planned it. And they’ll put them in their home so no one else will hear about them. laughing
  18. gfhjkm
    gfhjkm April 9 2014 11: 18
    0
    An interesting Jew of Kalamoy nationality, what do you think he gave to Israel for that, did he ask for grandmothers?
  19. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 9 2014 11: 25
    0
    Ukraine is going to sell missile documentation.

    And those who started this do not think that if this documentation falls into the wrong hands, then Ukraine will be destroyed by the same missiles and subsequently destroyed. stop fool
    If only to sell something, then there is no brain. fool
  20. stoqn477
    stoqn477 April 9 2014 11: 50
    +1
    If there is such an opportunity, I think you have a chance to react to this. The GRU or the FSB had enough personnel to clean up all computer files and burn existing documentation. It is advisable without casualties. One day there will be a scandal. But the price to the scandal is less than the technology gets in the wrong place.
  21. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn April 9 2014 11: 56
    +1
    For this we will hang and hang. Get ready, Govnomoysky! It will be painful.
  22. samoletil18
    samoletil18 April 9 2014 11: 56
    +3
    It will turn out at the third party, it will not turn out to benefit from the documentation. It does not matter. The main thing is that this act will show that the world community must begin to demand an adequate response to current events. And here are the threats, promises, and promises in advance impossible to fulfill, but any means are good! The main thing is to sound the alarm from all the stands, the SVR agents to spread rumors (in this case the truth) and sow panic among the population of the whole world. The same violation of the global balance can occur, in comparison with the Crimea, can become an apocalypse. But let Russia trade in Russia’s trump card in international matters. The whole Southeast is legitimized to us, besides the Crimea.
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    2. gfhjkm
      gfhjkm April 9 2014 12: 09
      0
      The same violation of the global balance can occur, in comparison with the Crimea, can become an apocalypse.

      In a few years, hundreds of them can start riveting them, and the rocket overcomes any pro. Indeed, the question really is being raised under the START treaty; it can be considered already useless when such technologies spread around the world.
  23. bigELDAK
    bigELDAK April 9 2014 12: 18
    0
    The article also says that the Hague code on the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction contains restrictions on the sale of technology and ready-made missiles. What kind of cooperation, let alone sales (to China, Iran, etc., etc.) can be talked about. , and even better behind bars.
  24. bigELDAK
    bigELDAK April 9 2014 12: 19
    0
    The Hague Code of Conduct contains a number of points that are mandatory for the participating countries. This agreement is aimed at the non-proliferation of technologies to create ballistic missiles capable of carrying weapons of mass destruction. In particular, the countries that have signed the treaty are obliged not to sell ready-made missiles capable of carrying a nuclear or chemical warhead, and also not to transfer the technologies necessary to create such systems.
    That Ukraine did not sign it when it still had WMD ???.
  25. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn April 9 2014 12: 24
    +1
    Outskirts of deep poher for everything. Her main thing is to bite us. And what it will lead to - Govnomoysky and Yaytsenyuhi do not think.
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  27. Chaplain
    Chaplain April 9 2014 12: 40
    0
    For everyone who wants war (especially from Ukraine) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5TpclmW_Y
    Dove of Peace Positive charge.
  28. Strashila
    Strashila April 9 2014 13: 23
    +1
    No one will sell anything ... they were already so simply handed over ... that the Americans simply had their office in the SBU.
    Only the sense of these documents is null ... in order to reproduce something, one must have the mentality of a Russian person.
    There is nothing new there, the production was interesting to Russia because we have these missiles in service.
    It takes years to figure out and make the first rocket according to these drawings ... one translation of the lope will take time.
    Materials, tools, equipment, measuring and control tools ... now they understand why Russia bought it in Ukraine, having all the drawings on hand ... the cost of the issue is the key to everything.
    Only the recreation of similar materials will result in fantastic money ... but abroad there are none.
    But the main thing is ... time.
    And based on the fact that all this is the 6Os of the last century ... draw a conclusion, but who needs it besides Russia.
    At one time, the Americans in Japan took samples of materials and took all sizes from the MIG-25 ... and that, the brains of the Russian philosophy of thought were not enough to understand ... as a result, to make a prototype.
    But the main thing ... you saw that the products manufactured even under the license corresponded to the original of the country of the developer.
    But even ... green men will fly in and help to make a rocket according to these drawings ... so it is necessary to make exploitation elements for it ... fuel, refueling sites, basing sites, launch mines ... and completely different enterprises and institutes were engaged in this.
    1. surovyi kot
      surovyi kot April 9 2014 19: 48
      0
      The glider F-22 Raptor is very similar to the MIG-25. The system "our stranger" had to be completely modernized. Traitors are the most expensive in the world!
  29. Arkan
    Arkan April 9 2014 14: 13
    0
    "will eat bread with you
    And then he shit in your soup. "

    Ukrainians delight their sponsors by spreading forbidden technologies.
  30. Arct
    Arct April 9 2014 14: 18
    0
    Let them sell. The Chinese, and it will be a joy. Slightly upgrade their products. And the mattresses have an extra headache. The amount produced by the Chinese still will not change much.
  31. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 9 2014 14: 19
    +1
    It’s worth noting to once again thank the fellow lads such as Khrushchev and Brezhnev for their tireless care of fellow countrymen Ukropov.
  32. -Patriot-
    -Patriot- April 9 2014 14: 58
    +1
    They’re dragging everything they can. In such a mess now, the parasites are on hand. They will soon sell their mother ...
  33. polite people
    polite people April 9 2014 15: 15
    +1
    To be a traitor to the Motherland in Ukraine is not used to.
  34. mig31
    mig31 April 9 2014 15: 44
    +1
    All this (China, Turkey), a ceremonial trick, they say, look for the ends there ... and you yourself have already bought the necessary drawings from the venal defense industry ...
  35. nvn_co
    nvn_co April 9 2014 16: 58
    +2
    Guys! During its independence, Ukraine has already sold and transferred everything that is possible ... So there is no need to worry too much ... But the scandal will be forgiven by the "Western partners", who, frankly, are fed up with their partnership, they bring democracy, how to scold a democratic country.
  36. nvn_co
    nvn_co April 9 2014 17: 03
    +1
    I agree, and still capture the Kharkov, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and Lugansk regions with the plant !!!
  37. oreh72
    oreh72 April 9 2014 17: 06
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    Quote: Arkt
    Let them sell. The Chinese, and it will be a joy. Slightly upgrade their products. And the mattresses have an extra headache. The amount produced by the Chinese still will not change much.

    Just let the documentation be translated into Ukrainian first.
  38. staryivoin
    staryivoin April 9 2014 17: 46
    +1
    Quote: Constantine
    their proposal may well be of interest


    If their proposal for the R-36M UTTH is really so interested, then they need to turn not to Turchinov, but to Russia. Better than in Russia this "vigorous doll" no one knows. Well, about the components of the complex, they were produced by the entire USSR.
    And then no matter how well they copy it in China, whatever you want to blind "Satan" is not three "Mercedes" to disassemble, and then set up mass production. And so that it could fly. Here the work for the Chinese comrades is not for one couple of years (personal term of acquaintance with the complex is 4,5 years). soldier
  39. Justme
    Justme April 9 2014 18: 41
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    At the expense of copying - you're in vain that this is a worthless primitive ..

    After a rather stupid copying experience 35 years ago, I vowed - not to do this anymore - in general - DO NOT COPY - But after that I thoroughly analyzed every worthy development - as if I were its author - I had to find all the approaches - and key points .. all balances ... all turns of thought.

    I remember how the leading ubl * dkov from the cosmic sullenness caused envy - Thought something - not by rank !!!
  40. 52
    52 April 9 2014 18: 41
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    Quote: fregina1
    Ukrainians are at the last stage of under-state! Selling power, empty heads! Nowadays there is not enough Trotsky, Lenin, Fidel, Chavez, etc. As soon as there will be a clear leader ..... land to the workers ... plants to the peasants! Flames so that Walk the Field will seem a kindergarten!

    And it really reminds us of the ideas of the world revolution ... WE, to the delight of all the bourgeois, will blow up the world fire, the whole planet, all in the blood ... FRS - bless!
  41. andrei72
    andrei72 April 9 2014 21: 27
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    Quote: Scary Warrant Officer
    Yesterday in the "Military Review" on "radio KP" Colonel V. Timoshenko. spoke very well on this matter and gave the fullest alignment on "Voevoda" ... Let them sell if they can.
    (The technology is almost forty years old, not every country has a full cycle of production of components - "Voevoda" is the brainchild of 1200 integrated enterprises, a plug may arise from a buyer even from the materials from which assemblies, parts and bodies of missiles, blocks ... some alloys used in creation of this brainchild of design thought of nine or more components ...)
    The poor poor do not know where to find money for the country!
    The technology is 40 years old, but the CHEM COMPOSITION of the coatings that make the missile "invisible" on the radar screens, a bunch of technical parameters that either did not change or changed slightly - all this will bring the capabilities of "their" air defense closer to the DETECTION of our missiles. If there is an opportunity to detect, there will be an opportunity to shoot down. So it makes no difference - the transfer of any technology, any information on our missiles, all this does not contribute to the strengthening of our nuclear missile potential, but it can give the enemies an idea of ​​where and what vulnerabilities in the structure may be and what to look for (although would - in which direction).
    1. agfa
      agfa April 9 2014 22: 04
      +2
      Andrei and you believe that you did not buy these components of americos in a hungry Ukraine? It would be naive if the SBU fully controls the CIA, and this is the state. secret too, means merged for a long time and completely IT is no longer news! The main concern of the CIA and not the SBU anymore is the non-proliferation of parts of technology, and only parts - everything is already under their hood, and people also get paid for this. I traveled with these engineers on a train to service our missiles in the Orenburg region - believe me, there were very poor people, they don’t have to keep secrets - do they have to live, but their bosses? In short, I think the topic of the secrets of Satan is inappropriate. Yes, it’s a pity, but you don’t look at Ukrainians every day — accept as an axiom that there are no more secrets.
  42. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 10 2014 00: 27
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    Well, first of all, they should not get used to it like that Manet: "Manya learns, NO, Manya already knows how," remember the story! I read the comments of the "experts on the topic" I realized-mouse fuss under the carpet, from a series of just to spoil Russia.
  43. uzer 13
    uzer 13 April 10 2014 01: 15
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    Indeed, most likely there are no secrets and everything that could be sold was sold a long time ago. Yushchenko, who was recently the president of Ukraine, actually represented the interests of the United States, so there should be no illusions about his activities. those who held this post were all obsessed with the idea of ​​personal enrichment and were actively engaged in the search for goods suitable for sale. In addition, they were all enemies of Russia and did not miss the chance to harm her in any way.
  44. starley
    starley April 10 2014 02: 32
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    The problem, as always, is not in technology and not in documentation, but in people.
    Those "birds" that today sat down to "poker" in Kiev, by their nature - suck. They solve one single problem: to steal at least something before escaping. And there is really nothing to steal, so they rush to sweep all the bottom ends.
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  46. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 April 10 2014 05: 18
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    play with fire .. if the critical mass connects .. move by V.V. it will be very non-standard .. no matter how the buyers got around .. the matter is about our defense and here the snot on the fence no one will smear everyone who falls under the distribution .. such an children’s analogy is about an egg and a needle in it. it’s about the immortal’s captain (a chakhlik immortalized okhlyatskie ..) in many ways this tramp and pursues the goal - using the chaos to download technology ... Russia decides to protect its brothers in .... (address on the opera maps of the General Staff of the Russian Federation)
  47. bulatovvvas
    bulatovvvas April 10 2014 06: 39
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    Offer the PRC to exchange this technical documentation for the design on the E-mobile !!
  48. Turkir
    Turkir April 10 2014 07: 59
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    It seems that our intelligence is not funded. Neighboring countries should generally be transparent to us.
  49. tchoni
    tchoni April 10 2014 17: 45
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    There is a joke on the topic:
    Somehow they caught the Taliban of the Russian, American and Japanese (all the engineers caught from the defense industry) and let them torture them in order to find out a terrible military secret. People are people - they could not stand the torture. And so:
    The American drew a detailed drawing of the 5th generation aircraft,
    Japanese - super robot duper,
    And Russian - a nut in three projections (secret and patent protected).

    This is to say that the Soviet state secret protection system was such that several people from the project management know ALL information about a thing (product) and then in general terms. And you say one factory will sell the Old. Well, if only for the nut.
  50. studentmati
    studentmati April 10 2014 21: 57
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    Is Ukraine going to sell documentation on rockets?

    The documentation can be sold (although I am sure that certain "bookmarks" have already been made in that documentation by our special services). But those brains who created this very documentation and brought it to a flight condition cannot be sold. Or they are no longer there, and those who are sure are not for sale.