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The myth of the "Ancient Ukraine" and "ancient ukrah." Part of 2

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Wishing to study history “Great Ukraine” awaits an amazing world. Already in the fifth grade, children will be informed that on the lands of “Ancient Ukraine” there existed a great power of the Scythians, whose outlines on the map will coincide with modern Ukraine. Moreover, the presentation of the material will openly incline to the idea that the Scythians are “ancient ukry”.


Further, children will be informed that "ancient Ukrainians" have lived on the lands of present-day Ukraine since the 4th century. Here "Ukrainian historians" will offer several versions of the origin of modern Ukrainians. According to one of them, the “Ukrainians” are the descendants of the Polyanian union of tribes, and the Russians and Belarusians are Krivichi. According to another, Ukraine is the center of Eastern Slavism and of Russia in general, while today's Russians are the descendants of the “Asians” (Finno-Ugric and Mongols). Here the Ukrainian authors continue the theory proposed by the Polish panami. Kievan Rus is called the “Prince Russia - Ukraine”, the Black Sea, without further ado, was called the “Ukrainian Sea” (although it was called the “Russian Sea” at that time, which clearly shows who inhabited the Northern Black Sea region). The word "Rus" was preserved, but it was reported that this name was archaic. The word "Ukraine" supposedly means "favorite land."

A distinctive feature of the “Ukrainian history” is the fact that all significant successes and achievements remained in antiquity, including in the mythical past. The initial loss of “Ukrainian lands” of independence is described as a whole peace process. At the same time, the great Lithuanian princes allegedly used the Ukrainian language in paperwork (although in reality they used Russian). Even the Polish-Lithuanian union is presented as a necessary measure necessary to fight the German knights and the Muscovy.

The flight of fantasy "Ukrainian historians" created a "powerful state" - Zaporizhzhya Sich. From the end of the XV to the end of the XVIII century. lasted a period of history, which is called "Cossack". According to the Ukrainians, the Sich was a form of Ukrainian statehood, a direct "military democracy." However, the "enemies" killed "the great Cossack state." Poland and Russia divided its lands among themselves, and the southern lands were captured by the Ottoman Empire. For the eighth grade of Ukrainian schools, the war of liberation under the leadership of Bohdan Khmelnytsky is a kind of “Ukrainian Great Patriotic War”. She devoted a significant part of the school course. The Pereyaslav Council is estimated as a forced alliance with Russia, which ended with “Russian treason”. The “Great Ukraine” came under Russian protectorate, the Russians began to take over management, impose their own rules and break “the great Ukrainian culture, in the process distorting history. During the reign of Hetman Ivan Vygovsky, who reoriented to Poland, it turns out, there was a "Ukrainian-Moscow" (or "Russian-Ukrainian") war. In domestic historiography, this “war” is one of the fronts (operational directions) of the Russo-Polish War 1654-1667.

The war ended with the complete "occupation" of "Great Ukraine": the state was divided along the Dnieper, the south was relegated to the Ottomans. The entire subsequent history of "Ukraine" is described as a continuous series of the "heroic" national liberation struggle. Getman Mazepa, who betrayed Russia and went over to the side of the enemy - Sweden, became a “national hero”. The textbooks for the 9 class mainly tell about the “national revival” and “colonization policy” of the Russian authorities. World War 1812 of the year and then "Ukrainized". It turns out the Cossack army "drove Napoleon" from Russia. Immediately I recall the stories of the satirist Zadornov about the "stupid American schoolchildren", who believe that it was the United States who defeated Napoleon and Hitler.

Similarly, information about the “history of Ukraine” is also served in high school. As a result, students find themselves in a special atmosphere of an ancient, heroic, great, but “humiliated and occupied” state. Virtually the whole story is a “national liberation struggle” against external enemies, “Muscovites”. Ukraine is constantly in the "ring of enemies." And if in the XIX century "imperialist oppression" was carried out by two empires - the Russian and the Austrian, then in the XX century there was only one main "enemy" - Russia (Soviet Union). And the "Russian oppression" reached its apogee. A huge number of study hours is devoted to the Holodomor organized by the Muscovites alone. And during the Second World War, the Ukrainians allegedly heroically fought with the "Bolsheviks" and the Germans. Some authors generally agree to the point that Hitler wanted to "recreate the Ukrainian state," freeing him from the "Bolshevik yoke."

This propaganda does not stop. Students and adults are familiar with the "scientific" work. So, the doctor of political sciences and professor Victor Bebik tells (including on TV) about the “Ukrainian origins” of human civilization. Mykola Galician in the book "Ukrainian nation" talks about "the most ancient in the land of the Ukrainian nation," which originated 40 thousands of years ago and in the middle of I thousand BC. er created the state "Great Ukraine". It is clear that it is impossible for an educated person to read such works. Is that as material for satire or psychiatry. The book tells about the “oldest period in the history of Ukraine” and is not based on sources rigged by “enemies of Ukraine”, but on some unique and miraculously preserved “Vedas”. Apparently, they were opened to the author during a mental contact with the "ancient ukrami". The book was published in Ternopil in 2005 year and recommended for study in schools and universities of the country.

Such “works” usually begin with the explanation that the whole past is a fraud and falsification. "Enemies" perverted the ancient and glorious history of the "Ukrainian nation". “Muscovites” (“Mongolian-Asians”) are the first in this list. However, in the “world conspiracy” against “Ukraine” not only the “damned Muscovites” participate, but also all the nations involved in historical science ...

Authors like Galician are not at all embarrassed by the fact that until the 90s of the 19th century, when representatives of a small group of radical nationalist parties in Galicia declared themselves “Ukrainian nation”, history does not know anything about the existence of such a nation as “Ukrainians”. All this is easily explained - the machinations of "enemies". The story will simply be thought up: "The nation proudly carried its historical native name" Ukrainians "through the millennia." It turns out that “ukry” always existed: from proto-Ukrainians and Aryan-Pra-Ukrainians to the present day.

The history of "Great Ukraine" amazes readers with its greatness. "Ukry" smashed the army of the Persian kings. "Ancient Ukrainians" successfully opposed the army of Alexander the Great, who allegedly tried to seize the peninsula "Ukraynets" (Crimea), seize the "Ukrainian" cities and ports. But the “Great Ukraine”, after a long struggle, defeated the invaders. Then "proud ukry" successfully opposed the Roman legions. “Ukrainians” allegedly were “true Aryans.” Their capital in ancient times was "Ariygrad", and "Arijslav" ruled them. In general, it turns out that Hitler and his ideologues “robbed” the history of “Ancient Ukraine”.

The myth of the "Ancient Ukraine" and "ancient ukrah." Part of 2



It is clear that while the official Ukrainian historical science and school textbooks reflect a relaxed version of the “Ukrainian fantasy”. However, education continues to degrade, simplify. Teachers (although there are already “conscious Ukrainians” who sincerely believe in such nonsense and propagate it) are forced to work out a program launched from above. But now, when in the former USSR they are trying to build the “Ukrainian Reich”, these trends will only intensify. Thanks to such programs, millions of people are already in a state of confusion, mental derangement, and are losing their spiritual, cultural and national roots. There is a formation of pseudonarod "Ukrainians-ukrov" who live in the "ring of enemies." Their whole “history” is a struggle against “Moskals” and other enemies.

Tens of millions of people over the years are stuffed with suicidal information. Therefore, if we see “Ruin-2” on the territory of Ukraine (“Ruin” is a period in the history of Western Russian lands between 1657 and 1687, when there was a civil war there), there will be nothing surprising. People are prepared for this. Mass psychosis, as we have seen from the events of “euromaidan”, reached a very high level. In schools form the consciousness of "offended person." They say that for centuries they have offended the "Cossack state", divided it, colonized it, starved it and oppressed it.

What ends this propaganda, especially given the power of modern media, we all have the misfortune to watch today. At first, the crowds demanded "European integration." Moreover, the “Ukrainians” know everything and believe that everything will be fine for them if you enter the “family of European nations” and isolate themselves from Russia. No sound arguments simply reach the consciousness of the “Ukrainians”. They are literally on their fingers explaining the unity of the economy of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, their interdependence, they say that Brussels and Berlin are not going to “feed” Ukraine, modernize the economy, that they need only consumers and, in the long run, resources (preferably with a reduction in the aboriginal population). That this disastrous path has already been passed by the Baltic countries, Bulgaria, Greece and other states that have only lost from joining the European Union. That economic integration with Russia will bring an increase in welfare, etc.

However, the crowd of "new barbarians" continued with gusto to smash their own state. Then they tried to explain that breaking the Yanukovich regime would not lead to a better life. It will only get worse, down to economic collapse. That nationalists and Nazis will come to power, with oligarchs behind them. And this will only lead to an increase in theft and the collapse of the already weak state structures. There will be an opportunity to split the country and the civil war.

Did not listen. Continued to break their state. As a preliminary result - the loss of the Crimea and the opposition of the South-East and West. The prerequisites for a civil war (“Ruins”) are quickly taking shape. The “Yugoslav” and “Libyan-Somali” scenarios are viewed. The fresh experience of Libya and Syria has not taught people anything. They still do not understand that a little more, and they "will be in Syria." Very little is left before a full-fledged standoff. Apparently, even if a new “famine” happens and people have to live from the garden, the “Muscovites” who did not allow to build the “Great Ukraine” will be to blame for everything.

There comes that terrible stage, when already no dialogue will be impossible. The example of Tymoshenko, Tyagnibok, demanding an end to the "separatists" who just want to keep their language, shows that the compromise and the "negotiations" of Ukrainians and Russians are an unrealizable illusion. “Ukry” has already become a peculiar, extremely aggressive and dangerous sect that hates Russia, Russians and a significant part of its own citizens who still cling to the Russian language.

There is no "fraternal Ukrainian people." There is the core of the “Ukrainian Reich”, which is rapidly devouring the Ukrainian SSR, it educates narcissists, offended and aggressive “Cossacks” (“ukrov”) who hate the whole world and especially Russians.

At the moment, from this pool, which is turning into an inferno in the eyes, it has been possible to pull out the two millionth population of the Crimea. And the sooner we manage to save at least the South-East (at the first stage), the better it will be for them and for us. In essence, Russia must once again accomplish a liberating and at the same time enlightening mission, saving 40 millions of Russians who fell under the power of the enemy and of whom they make offended and evil creatures, "ukrov".

And do not look back at the world community and listen to the evil slanders of the West. The masters of the West are our eternal geopolitical opponents, they will always lead anti-Russian policies. We solve the civilizational and national task - we save part of the Russian world, part of the superethnos of the Rus, who fell under the authority of the enemy. Pro-Russian organizers, referendums and reunification - an algorithm to combat the "ukrami" and their Western masters.

No need to look back to the West. Russia is a unique civilization, able to go its own way and set the tone for all of humanity. Iran, Syria, India, China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and many other countries in South America, as well as Africa and Asia, will only be happy to return to the world arena of the Russian soldier, who has always been a defender of universal concepts of goodness and justice.

After the reunification of all areas of Russian civilization, it will be necessary to carry out a lot of work to destroy the "Ukrainians". A long-term program is needed to restore the "Russianness" of Western Russian lands. All Russ should be proud of their history, should cease to be humiliated and insulted creatures and become the sons of "Great Russia". Reunion should go along with the cultural and educational mission to recreate the unity of the spiritual, cultural and national space of Russian civilization.
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat April 9 2014 08: 30
    +44
    That's just real ......, a very apt definition of "Ukrainian fantasy"
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 April 9 2014 08: 33
      +23
      Stop publishing these antiquities here, from the first part it was clear who was the oldest in the world, and here is the second part, I didn’t even dare to read, I already know everything belay
      1. maks-101
        maks-101 April 9 2014 08: 57
        +32
        Ukrainian land stands on elephants, and elephants on whale fish and wherever the Ukrainian goes everywhere the edge will be a pitchfork.
        1. Canep
          Canep April 9 2014 09: 02
          +26
          I don’t even want to delve into this rascal, I expressed everything in my commentary to the first part about the glue for the card, people had fun. Kazakhs also have similar ideas, to listen to them - Russians dare Swedes and Mongols, nonsense of a similar level.
          1. smile
            smile April 9 2014 10: 00
            +26
            Canep
            And there is nothing surprising in this - the creators, who lower the tales to the national storytellers, are clearly sitting in the same office. And the Hitler’s propaganda of their predecessor, the grandfather, also called us semi-Asians, and the propaganda of Napoleon’s great-grandfather considered us to be Mongoloids .... As for all the nationalists in the former republics of the USSR, they generally know who they were under ... and partially are .. .. although many have already set sail, the chain reaction of lies has, so to speak, been started. Therefore, regardless of whose Natsik - Kazakh, Ukrainian or Lithuanian - they all say the same thing.
            And to me. by the way. really liked .... firstly, enticing. :))) Secondly, it’s nice to realize that your opponents are a little shy. :))) I repeat. Apparently, Russophobia. this is such a bacillus that settles exclusively in an empty head, eats out the brain and completely wipes off the ability to sanity. :)))
            1. My address
              My address April 9 2014 10: 15
              +7
              Vladimir hi !

              I suggest you and others who are interested to find the article by Alexei Kungurov "Kievan Rus was not." I will propose to publish it, but I'm afraid it's a bit big.
              1. smile
                smile April 9 2014 11: 42
                +3
                My address
                Thanks, Alexander, I’m scoring an article in sclerosis - I’ll definitely read it.
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner April 9 2014 13: 32
                  +7
                  Quote: smile
                  I hammer an article in sclerosis

                  I can probably help. I give:
                  1. smile
                    smile April 9 2014 13: 48
                    +12
                    pensioner
                    You’re cruel ... with this tool, my sclerosis can be tacked along with me .... from my knead some teeth will remain ..... :)))) How will I read the article with them later, eh? :)))
                    By the way, is this contraption not a means of democratic expression of will of deputies of the Council of Ancient Ukrov? Well, when dinosaurs didn’t come from them yet .....
                    1. pensioner
                      pensioner April 9 2014 14: 07
                      +10
                      Quote: smile
                      Well, when dinosaurs didn’t come from them yet .....

                      what Those. when they, while still dill in ukroplanktonom overshadowed the ocean, or what? Perhaps, perhaps ...
                      1. comprochikos
                        comprochikos April 10 2014 12: 27
                        0
                        The article of eta was already on the site on August 20, 2012, see the archive
                      2. nika407
                        nika407 April 11 2014 20: 15
                        +1


                        They rode around the fire and shouted: "who does not jump ..."
                  2. My address
                    My address April 9 2014 14: 03
                    +5
                    Oh, Yuri hi after fishing drew!

                    And the main fishing structure is offered free of charge! It was me who spoke the dialect of Bazhov's heroes, interspersed with the dialect of an owl from cartoons. That's what it means to drink thrown from ulcerative reflux hopelessness. Soon I will begin to substantiate that the ancient proto-ukras were unlucky descendants of even more ancient Yaik (Ural) Cossacks. My current silly descendants of the ancient ukrov calls simply: "bastards."
                    1. pensioner
                      pensioner April 9 2014 14: 04
                      +9
                      Yes, homework divorced from the process. After half an hour, I am moving forward again to fishing. They will also regret that they were born fish am !
            2. inkass_98
              inkass_98 April 9 2014 10: 38
              +9
              Quote: smile
              creators who run fairy tales to national storytellers are clearly sitting in the same office.

              But do we have a few clowns? Either the Etruscans became the ancestors of the Russians, then Fomenko and Nosovsky invented a new history of Russia, you won’t look without tears, and you won’t remember all the wonderworkers. It’s just that until this time we reached the state level, the inferiority complex did not manage to take shape. And in Ruin, Romania, Lithuania and other former great powers all this is fully present and is taught as the ultimate truth, carefully, however, avoiding the actual evidence base.
              1. smile
                smile April 9 2014 11: 46
                +7
                inkass_98
                So I do not argue. There is also. But in our country this cannot reach the state level. The fact is that in the countries you have indicated (except Romania) - Russophobia is the core of national policy. Nothing but her, for their soul - no. So they come up with a rationale for their actions and claims. We had nothing of the kind and did not stand close - we do not need to invent anything.
                1. Aleksandr65
                  Aleksandr65 April 9 2014 13: 03
                  +10
                  [b] [b] (except Romania) - Russophobia [b] [/ b] [/ b]
                  It is in vain that you offend Romania. Read the "History of Romanians" -the textbook in Russian, without tears and laughter THIS cannot be read. Amazing-History with the Ukrainians is one to one - the most ancient, eternally offended, self-highly cultured, and enemies, end-Slavs and Russians, etc.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac April 9 2014 13: 16
                    +8
                    Quote: Aleksandr65
                    Amazingly, the story of the Ukrainians is one in one, the most ancient, ever-offended, self-cultured, and the enemies, the Slavs of Russia and the Russians. Etc.

                    Well, they are like the Romans, Romans laughing
                  2. smile
                    smile April 9 2014 13: 52
                    +3
                    Aleksandr65
                    To be honest, they haven’t run into their pearls yet ... like they consider themselves Ducks there? .... But thanks, I’ll try to correct my ignorance - to find Romanian revelations .... :))) I love to laugh ....: ))))
                    1. Aleksandr65
                      Aleksandr65 April 9 2014 14: 11
                      +7
                      There famously twisted: the Roman emperor Troyan in the war captured Dacia, cut out the Dacian nobility, cut off the head of the Dacian king Decebal. Romania now has two heroes - the emperor Troyan and the king of the Dacians Decebal. Here is such a squiggle
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 April 9 2014 13: 13
                +15
                Quote: inkass_98
                And in Ruin, Romania, Lithuania and other former great powers all this is fully present and is taught as the ultimate truth, carefully, however, avoiding the actual evidence base.


                The Kyrgyz "historians" are even cooler, they agreed that the modern Kyrgyz is a direct descendant of Adam and that 60% of the words in Russian are taken from the Kyrgyz language. Where is the great "Ukram" to the glorious sons of Ala-Too !!! wassat
                1. smile
                  smile April 9 2014 14: 02
                  +10
                  Serg65
                  Yeah, but prokhessor Bebik insisted that Adam was ukrom .... so that the Kyrgyz, it turns out, are also Ukrainians? This, you see, is the biggest Kyrgyz secret .... Damn, how did they all fit on one Planet - the great Ukrainians, Romanians, Kyrgyz and others like them ... we alone, damn it, orphaned and insignificant these giants were confused by their feet ..... Some Georgians turned out to be honest - they came to the conclusion that the first people came from the Georgians, but honestly admitted that the Georgians were half a meter tall (probably without a cap) and had only half a brain .. .. :))) unpretentious, in general, the guy turned out to be .... :))))
                  1. psg72
                    psg72 April 9 2014 21: 00
                    +3
                    You're wrong. According to the Turkmens, they are the first people on earth. And the first cultivators.
                    1. cdrt
                      cdrt April 10 2014 01: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: psg72
                      You're wrong. According to the Turkmens, they are the first people on earth. And the first cultivators.


                      But do they really know how to plow the land? It seems that during the Russian conquest were nomadic herders ???
                  2. Serg65
                    Serg65 April 10 2014 12: 35
                    +6
                    smile
                    Kyrgyz originality is not so bad, the greatest achievement of the ancient Kyrgyz is the discovery of America !!! The Kyrgyz have the epic "Manas", and in America there is the city of Manassas named after the discoverers! And the Russians, and what about the Russians? Time writes history for them.
                2. Nikolaitch65
                  Nikolaitch65 April 9 2014 19: 42
                  +3
                  I’d like to look at their scientific debate who is cooler (ancient) cool
                3. their
                  their April 10 2014 16: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Quote: inkass_98
                  And in Ruin, Romania, Lithuania and other former great powers all this is fully present and is taught as the ultimate truth, carefully, however, avoiding the actual evidence base.


                  The Kyrgyz "historians" are even cooler, they agreed that the modern Kyrgyz is a direct descendant of Adam and that 60% of the words in Russian are taken from the Kyrgyz language. Where is the great "Ukram" to the glorious sons of Ala-Too !!! wassat


                  To me, one Kyrgyz (with a diplomatic passport) proved 4 hours on the train that the Jews have family ties with the Kyrgyz!
              3. Locksmith
                Locksmith April 9 2014 13: 55
                +4
                Quote: inkass_98
                then Fomenko and Nosovsky invented a new history of Russia

                You don’t have to wishful thinking, you just need to read them to understand, they are not historians but mathematicians and physicists, and from the point of view of mathematics they simply REAL dates combined on the TIME axis of modern history, if so educated you can easily refute the calculation of superemutes. And because funny coincidences began to come across the time axis, it was a sin not to take advantage of this and not to ASSUME a version. Especially when the excavations in Arkaim began, all archaeologists immediately howled, the REALITY predicted by them (Fomenko and Nosovsky) coincided with that found as a result of excavations, so apparently not everything is known for sure in our riotous world ...
                1. cdrt
                  cdrt April 10 2014 01: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Locksmith
                  Quote: inkass_98
                  then Fomenko and Nosovsky invented a new history of Russia

                  You don’t have to wishful thinking, you just need to read them to understand, they are not historians but mathematicians and physicists, and from the point of view of mathematics they simply REAL dates combined on the TIME axis of modern history, if so educated you can easily refute the calculation of superemutes. And because funny coincidences began to come across the time axis, it was a sin not to take advantage of this and not to ASSUME a version. Especially when the excavations in Arkaim began, all archaeologists immediately howled, the REALITY predicted by them (Fomenko and Nosovsky) coincided with that found as a result of excavations, so apparently not everything is known for sure in our riotous world ...



                  And this is in a country that really was and is a great empire.
                  If a lot of people here believe in mathematics over historians, then what can we say about the project for ukrov people, who, during ethnogenesis, must go through the stage of fascism and national fairy tales ...
              4. someone
                someone April 9 2014 15: 04
                +6
                Well, do we have few clowns? Either the Etruscans became the ancestors of the Russians, then Fomenko and Nosovsky invented a new history of Russia, you won’t look without tears, and you won’t remember all the wonderworkers.

                For your information, the works of A.T. Fomenko and G.V. Nosovsky are not required for familiarization. And they are not taught in schools. This is a personal initiative of scientists, no more.
                Why do you put these respected people on a par with quacks-quacks? Since you shine with erudition, do it more correctly.
              5. Setrac
                Setrac April 10 2014 18: 28
                +1
                Quote: inkass_98
                That Etruscans became the ancestors of Russian

                Rather, a lateral branch. I don’t know what Fomenko and Nosovsky have there, but the words etRUSki and RUSSIAN are clearly the same root.
                1. Penzyac
                  Penzyac April 12 2014 09: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: inkass_98
                  That Etruscans became the ancestors of Russian

                  Rather, a lateral branch. I don’t know what Fomenko and Nosovsky have there, but the words etRUSki and RUSSIAN are clearly the same root.


                  By the way, the supposedly unreadable (for Western Europeans) Etruscan inscriptions were read using the Old Russian language and Old Russian writing.
            3. Tersky
              Tersky April 9 2014 10: 48
              +7
              Quote: smile
              I repeat. Apparently, Russophobia. this is such a bacillus that settles exclusively in an empty head, eats out the brain and completely wipes off the ability to sanity. :)))

              Moreover, this bacillus mutates from year to year ...
              1. smile
                smile April 9 2014 11: 49
                +7
                Tersky
                Yeah, I heard that there was a moth which, in order to get to the fur coat, was eating cellophane ... and biting mothballs :))) These same ones there ... degradants, so their shuffle. :)))
              2. yulka2980
                yulka2980 April 10 2014 08: 33
                +2
                Still, the ability to reproduce (multiply) bent off laughing
            4. KazaK Bo
              KazaK Bo April 9 2014 15: 14
              +4
              And there is nothing surprising in this - the creators who lower the tales to the national storytellers are obviously sitting in the same office.

              Indeed ... there is nothing surprising in "Ukrainian fantasy"! In the mid-90s. ... while living in Ukraine, I personally read the "scientific revelations" of "independent wunderkinds from science" who proved (in scientific treatises and received scientific degrees) that the mother of all mankind, EVE .... was a Ukrainian ... and the Blessed Virgin was Maria .... so that va-ah-eh ... Ukrainian and from the very center of the true Ukrainian lands - Poltava. True, it was smart enough not to call this point a DIKANKI farm!
              It remains only in Ukrainian-historical science to prove that green humanoids ... these are true Ukrainians!
              Although I won’t be surprised that doctors will really prove that many Ukrainian scientists and historians really have green people dancing around their eyes ... but this is another field of science ... medical!
              1. cdrt
                cdrt April 10 2014 01: 35
                +3
                [quote = KazaK Bo] [quote]
                It remains only in Ukrainian-historical science to prove that green humanoids ... these are true Ukrainians!
                Although I won’t be surprised that doctors will really prove that many Ukrainian scientists and historians really have green people dancing around their eyes ... but this is another area of ​​science ... medical! [/ Quote]
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            6. Viktor Shmagin
              Viktor Shmagin April 9 2014 15: 30
              +3
              Nationalism dries the brains, Ukrainian nationalism kills them completely
            7. Revolver
              Revolver April 10 2014 03: 44
              +3
              Quote: smile
              I repeat. Apparently, Russophobia. this is such a bacillus that settles exclusively in an empty head, eats out the brain and completely wipes off the ability to sanity.

              There was recently an article here that allegedly agreed to export Ukrainian hemp to America. And it was stated there that Ukrainian cannabis contains request less small. But judging by this "Ukrainian history", it should be fierce. This is only from not weak fellow you can invent a parish.
              1. Penzyac
                Penzyac April 12 2014 10: 03
                +1
                Quote: Nagan
                Quote: smile
                I repeat. Apparently, Russophobia. this is such a bacillus that settles exclusively in an empty head, eats out the brain and completely wipes off the ability to sanity.

                There was recently an article here that allegedly agreed to export Ukrainian hemp to America. And it was stated there that Ukrainian cannabis contains request less small. But judging by this "Ukrainian history", it should be fierce. This is only from not weak fellow you can invent a parish.


                By the way, recently, in the Penza Research Institute of Agriculture, new varieties of hemp and confectionery poppy with a negligible content of narcotic substances were bred and recommended by the State Commission for industrial breeding, but the trick is that the seeds must be updated every 2 to 3 years, otherwise after 5 to 7 years of culture degenerate and catch up with their wild relatives in terms of narcotic substances. hi
          2. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx April 9 2014 11: 01
            +9
            Right !!! Here is a complement to ravings:
            - "Oh! Chuly you, you brothers, yak to curse the enemies of our ridny island Buyan fang !!! -
            - Yak? -
            - Newfoundland! Ugh! Would have been! "
            1. smile
              smile April 9 2014 11: 40
              +5
              sso-xnumx
              Yeah, but let’s get our PYVO shouting it with piiiiv! :)))
              1. sso-xnumx
                sso-xnumx April 9 2014 21: 58
                +2
                Well, what can you take from the poor, except for analyzes. I actually began to suspect that sometime in the "first Ukrainian" chronicle a slip of the tongue was added and they were not originally called ukrami, but URKI! Painfully, the whole lifestyle of this people looks like kleptomania, they drag on themselves everything that is needed and not necessary. They steal from themselves, rot everything in the barns, but they will not use it for the purpose for the benefit of themselves and others!
          3. mirag21x
            mirag21x April 10 2014 08: 08
            0
            This is not a joke, but a brainwashing technology, an information weapon, and it’s very effective and effective primarily against Russia! And to understand this, you need to know how it works. It’s only at first glance, it looks like ridiculous ridiculous stories ... At least two young generations of Ukrainians, zombified by this idea, grown up in an atmosphere of hatred for everything Russian ... Turned into potential, easily controlled Russophobia fighters! And this is absolutely not funny, but extremely dangerous! Look, with what hatred, these vandals (not remembering kinship) destroy the SACRED monuments! I think such adepts will go much further ...
        2. Gecko
          Gecko April 9 2014 09: 29
          +14
          Ukrainian land is standing on pigs, and on top is a piece of fat smile
          1. GDP
            GDP April 9 2014 10: 27
            +15
            There is no “fraternal Ukrainian people”.

            But I do not agree with this ...
            Brother, whatever he is, he is always brother.
            Let's remember ourselves in 90 ... - How the country fell into a trance from Kashpirovsky’s sessions, how they invested in financial pyramids, how they dutifully watched the destruction of our state and branded their history, taught from Soros textbooks ...

            Propaganda, the substitution of history and values, Nazism, direct foreign influence in the media is a terrible thing. Brainwashing is like drug poisoning ...

            What will you do if your sibling is hooked - to drive a filthy broom out of the house?
            We must be wise, strong, patient, persistent - in order to return this brother to the family, especially since we ourselves have already gone through everything that Ukrainians are going through now

            And yet - we must finally realize that this is a war!
            The war of civilizations ... And we cannot relax and trust our true enemies. Based on this, our entire policy should be built

            Against the background of this war, we should not be derogatory towards the Ukrainians!
            This is exactly what our enemies are trying to achieve from us.
            We must each individually resist this attempt to divide us!
            1. rereture
              rereture April 9 2014 10: 52
              +12
              So really there is no such fraternal people as Ukrainians. Since citizens living in Ukraine are Russian breakaways, with a rural dialect of the Russian language.
              1. Vanko
                Vanko April 10 2014 21: 52
                +1
                - And how, I ask, will "cat" be in Ukrainian?
                - "whale", answers.
                - What is the Ukrainian word for "whale"?
                Offended and left without answering anything. (with)
                1. Penzyac
                  Penzyac April 12 2014 10: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Vanko
                  - And how, I ask, will "cat" be in Ukrainian?
                  - "whale", answers.
                  - What is the Ukrainian word for "whale"?
                  Offended and left without answering anything. (with)


                  And the Polish-Austrian inventors of the "Ukrainian language" did not come up with the Ukrainian name for the name for the whale, whales are not found in the steppe (just like in Poland and Austria).
            2. Alekseev
              Alekseev April 9 2014 11: 24
              +9
              Quote: GDP
              What will you do if your sibling is hooked - to drive a filthy broom out of the house?
              We must be wise, strong, patient, persistent - in order to return this brother to the family, especially since we ourselves have already gone through everything that Ukrainians are going through now

              Well, suppose that we have never had brothers all over Ukraine within our current borders.
              But how to treat brothers and sons is a difficult question ...
              Someone, probably, will have to "... drive out of the house with a nasty broom", and someone in a long way "reeducate", well, someone has a very strong immunity to the Bandera infection.
              Only it will be difficult for everyone, because “people” have no other way to correct themselves, except to go through difficulties and trials.
            3. ren1999
              ren1999 April 9 2014 12: 01
              +9
              Speak correctly. I will continue your comparison.
              If the brother is sick and does not want to be treated, you will tie him, put on a straitjacket and begin to intensively treat. But non-friendly neighbors will raise a howl, call the police, and draw for illegal imprisonment. And you have to fight with the whole world.
              I can’t imagine how this brother, who was stuffed with an enemy potion without surgery for more than two decades, can be cured.
              I remember in the early eighties an intelligent lady in Ukraine told me in a whisper, aspirated about the suppression of Ukrainian historical free thought by the USSR Academy of Sciences. So this disease is much more years.
              Yes, the intelligentsia is not the whole people, the communists called it "stratum", but the trouble is from it and in our Fatherland.
              What is characteristic, as a result of revolutions and unrest, this very layer suffers the most. Knowing the story, but with tenacity worthy of better use, continuing to step on this terrible, incomprehensible, peasant rake.
              1. cheega69
                cheega69 April 9 2014 13: 15
                +5
                So it turns out that Wasserman is right.
              2. psg72
                psg72 April 9 2014 23: 58
                +1
                You can’t leave the brothers. But war cannot be allowed. For this is the end of fraternal feelings, even among non-zombie people.
              3. sso-xnumx
                sso-xnumx April 10 2014 09: 12
                0
                Oncological diseases are not treated. Or let him suffer until his death, or shoot so that he does not suffer ...
                1. Penzyac
                  Penzyac April 12 2014 10: 21
                  0
                  Quote: sso-250659
                  Oncological diseases are not treated. Or let him suffer until his death, or shoot so that he does not suffer ...


                  You are wrong, first of all, oncological diseases are treated, although not simply, but for the incurable, there are hospices with care and painkillers.
              4. Turkir
                Turkir April 12 2014 10: 15
                0
                Although the disease belongs to the category of mental illness, it is surprisingly contagious.
            4. Ascetic
              Ascetic April 9 2014 12: 02
              +27
              Quote: GDP
              Against the background of this war, we should not be derogatory towards the Ukrainians!
              This is exactly what our enemies are trying to achieve from us.
              We must each individually resist this attempt to divide us!


              So no one is derogatory towards them ... they decided for themselves that they are not the descendants of the victorious people, but the spiritual followers of the traitors-policemen who were hanged on the squares of Kiev after the war with a mass gathering of people. I have a distant relative who lives in Dnepropetrovsk, all Russian-speakers, were educated in the USSR, and fled there from Dushanbe in 1992. So a couple of years ago (even before all the Maydaen), adequate educated people seriously spoke about these topics They proved to me that we know too little about Bandera, that his biography contains a lot of propaganda cliches, and that the merits of this activist were deliberately hushed up, that the issue still needs to be studied and that it is not worth cutting the shoulder. That Bandera and others like him fought against Stalin's totalitarianism for freedom Ukrainian people. And when you start to disagree with them, then you immediately become a chauvinist, brown. Putinoid and Ukrainophobe. Here are people like me who will shoot them like Beria’s satraps, your Putin fascist and hochket to conquer Ukraine, your oligarchs crush our economy and other nonsense ... What about the generation that grew up with total banderization, it’s a miracle that even in New Russia they couldn’t completely fool people .
              And in Kiev, not to mention the provincial Little Russia, they really hate our common past and everything Soviet and Russian, if not the vast majority. What can I say if ordinary passers-by in Kiev, people of different ages, defiantly wipe their feet on a torn off plaque from the office of the Communist Party of Ukraine and lying on the pavement. Moreover, this is not hatred of communism and the Soviet past, namely of Russia and the Russians, whom they call "scoops" and "quilted jackets".

              It is they, not us, who are reading a poem called "We will never be brothers." through the lips of a young pioneer-Banderovka.Tak here never people who betrayed our common past will not be brothers to us.kak were not our people, Russians and Ukrainians, policemen and Bandera brothers.
              1. GDP
                GDP April 9 2014 12: 39
                +9
                Are you trying to further widen the gap between Ukrainians and Russians?
                I'm with you out of the way. Great Russia has more than once passed through fragmentation, and more than once its different parts pushed its foreheads against it, it never came to its advantage ...

                I don’t give a damn what Bandera’s say - for me, Bandera’s are not Ukrainians at all ... I believed, believe and will believe in all the best that is in Ukrainians and that sooner or later we will be brothers again, not only by blood, but and in spirit ...

                And you'd better look on the Internet for something that does not incite hostility, but rather shows how much we have in common and what a great past we have ...
                1. Normal
                  Normal April 9 2014 12: 54
                  +12
                  Quote: GDP
                  Are you trying to further widen the gap between Ukrainians and Russians?


                  UkrAina is the Western anti-Russian project - Anti-Russia, continued by Russophobic Bolsheviks with the aim of fragmenting and weakening the Russian people, maintaining and strengthening the power of internationalists (of a known nationality) over Russians (divide and conquer). There is no other meaning in the existence of Ukraine; there has not been, and will not be.
                  The Russian people must be reunited. Perhaps this will not happen as soon as we want. But it SHOULD happen sooner or later.
                  The statement that the okRAin is a separate independent state, that the okRAinets is not Russian and is a split in the Russian world. Separation of provinces and suburbs is separatism, and we are just for unity.
                2. Ascetic
                  Ascetic April 9 2014 14: 26
                  +13
                  Quote: GDP
                  Are you trying to further widen the gap between Ukrainians and Russians?


                  there are no Ukrainians, there are Orthodox Malorossy.A part of the Russian world and there are Polonized Greek-Uniate Catholics who call themselves Ukrainians, That's the whole gulf that I am not expanding. Who worked all my life. I served. I lived side by side with the "Ukrainians" My son-in-law is a Ukrainian officer in the Russian army, and the matchmakers live in Western Ukraine.
                  the whole trouble is that in Russia, and even more so in Ukraine, such a concept as a nation has been forgotten or consciously silent, deliberately identifying it with the concept of people. And the difference in the attitude to these concepts at the mental and state levels is the root of all discord and interethnic abyss.

                  Nation (from lat. natio - tribe, people) - socio-economic, cultural, political and spiritual community of people, formed as a result state formation, the phase of development of an ethnos (in steps: clan - tribe - nationality - people - nation), in which this particular ethnic group gains sovereignty and creates its own full-fledged statehood. It can be considered as a form of ethnic life of the industrial era.
                  Under the people understand, in particular, a certain group of people, characterized by the commonality of a number of signs - language, culture, territory, religion, historical past, etc. In this sense, the word "people" can be replaced by the term ethnos.
                  nation - creates a state for its own needs, while itself is understood as a "super ethnos", i.e., sets of interconnected peoples and nationalities.
                  A nation can be of 2 types: multiethnic (mono-ethnic) or mono-ethnic .. Usually a nation is built on the basis of a large number of ethnic groups, which were brought together by historical fate. So the Russian nation is a HISTORICAL SUPERRETNOS, SUPERNATION which includes numerous peoples and ethnic groups living in common The state, civilizational and cultural space. Where the state-forming role belongs to the Russian people.
                  And the so-called Ukrainians. The authors of the project Ukraine, deny this obvious scientific and historical fact or theory, trying to come up with a separate nation under the name of UKRAINIANS, which is not part of the Russian superethnos and is capable of growing up to the creation of HIS STATE. What comes of this, we have been observing for a long time.
                  We in Russia also strove and strive to erase from the consciousness of the Russian people. That it is a nation and superethnos. And to inspire other nations that they are not part of Russian or Eurasian civilization. Ask yourself why in America they constantly talk about the great American nation (people), although ethnically it is known to be very heterogeneous. They even agreed before that they are a special nation, chosen almost by God to bring people the benefits of civilization and progress. But we even have a concept that is almost forbidden and is equated with extremism and fascism. Only recently have high-level discussions started about nationalization of the elites, national traitors, constitutional reform on giving the status of a state-forming Russian people.

                  Therefore, if Ukrainians understand that Ukraine is not like a PEOPLE but as a NATION it is a historical and civilized impasse, they will become brothers. We will no longer enjoy the pearls about Great Ukrov and enjoy the next races on the Maidan and listen to the flows of insults addressed to us. Which are nothing else as an inferiority complex expressed precisely in this contradiction.
                  1. GDP
                    GDP April 10 2014 17: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    the whole trouble is that in Russia, and even more so in Ukraine, such a concept as a nation has been forgotten or consciously silent, deliberately identifying it with the concept of people.

                    But in this I support at 100%
                3. Viktor Shmagin
                  Viktor Shmagin April 9 2014 15: 47
                  +3
                  I completely agree, do not be like hurray patriots who are ready to cajole everything and everyone. The children who are growing up in Ukraine now are to blame for something, but they are being fooled by school, television, how to resist weak brains. And here many are ready, in words to kill them. You could point the machine at the child, probably not
                  1. Alekseev
                    Alekseev April 9 2014 21: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Viktor Shmagin
                    The children who are growing up in Ukraine now are to blame for something, but they are being fooled by school, television, how to resist weak brains. And here many are ready, in words to kill them.

                    You write everything correctly ... On the one hand.
                    But the trouble is. People on planet Earth do not live (as a rule) just like that, on their own, but eke out their earthly existence as part of a people (nation).
                    Build together, break together. request
                    They are connected with each other by invisible, but very strong threads.
                    And so it is established, unfortunately, that still children often have to atone for the sins of their ancestors. (See the history of the USSR from the 17th to the middle of the 20th century)
                    Although, according to the "sickness", neither "tsezhdeti", nor their children themselves seem to be guilty of anything ...
                    Fooling on TV oligarchs swear, but more ... recourse
                  2. raven75
                    raven75 April 10 2014 10: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Viktor Shmagin
                    I completely agree, do not be like hurray patriots who are ready to cajole everything and everyone. The children who are growing up in Ukraine now are to blame for something, but they are being fooled by school, television, how to resist weak brains. And here many are ready, in words to kill them. You could point the machine at the child, probably not
                    Victor, apparently, you have never been to places where such "kids" in the market crush put a pistol in the side of the "Russian occupier" and fired, running away after that. And I spent a lot of time there. So, I have a special relationship with the "children" zombified by propaganda.
                4. O_RUS
                  O_RUS April 10 2014 02: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: GDP
                  Are you trying to further widen the gap between Ukrainians and Russians?


                  Ukrainians revived fascism, stole gas, blamed Russia for all their failures - do you think this is fraternal?

                  Quote: GDP
                  I do not care what the Bandera people say - for me, the Bandera people are not Ukrainians at all ...


                  don't pretend to be. Tymoshenko (didn't she call for killing Russians?) Turchinov Yatsenyuk - will you say that they are not Ukrainians?
              2. My address
                My address April 9 2014 12: 51
                +18
                Dear Stanislav! hi
                I have a similar story.

                Back in the summer, acquaintances near Kiev scolded their own and praised ours. And they really argued that the oligarchs and top officials were bad everywhere, but they didn’t let ours roam. They also agreed that the average Ukrainian lived better than the average Uralets, and now they are in a cesspool. They did not consider decent work to be done in shifts of just 150-200 dollars (5-7 thousand rubles), but in the Urals the same amount was paid three to five times more expensive. This is last summer.

                And not so long ago they are all in Russia, incl. and me, have been accused of all their troubles since the 92nd year! For six months they were brainwashed (or whatever they have). And they did not want to hear anything, only saliva splashing into the tube! And I remember how we were sitting in the 90s without orders - svidomye non-sale ones stole our gas, the cost was 20% or more lower, they took metal products. And the workshop came up to me and asked for money for a chocolate for my child for his birthday. There is a good saying: "It doesn't reach through the head - we will bring it through the zoppa." In general, that's enough. She died, so she died. Good can only be done with good ones. According to one of the postulates of the control system, the greater the deviation from the normal, the greater the control action must be applied.
              3. Roman 1977
                Roman 1977 April 9 2014 13: 29
                +22
                The answer to the Nazis

                The Nazis will not be brothers to us
                Neither in the Homeland, nor in the mother!
                You have no spirit to be free -
                We will not even become consolidated with you.

                Your horror movies are not scary for us
                We are with the stars, you are with the swastika!
                Maydanut you faceless.
                It is we, not you, who are great.

                From inferiority and dullness
                You have done so many nonsense!
                And you shot at your back
                How to call you? Perhaps pigs?

                Yarosh, Bily and other bastard
                You Europe brain confused.
                On the Maidan they watered potions.
                You burned your "Berkut" with "cocktails"!

                You are with your bastard Bandera,
                Well - with the holy Fatherland and faith!
                You whine without knowing
                You are with war, and we are with victory!

                Tearing from the West you horde
                But our business is right!
                If now with regards to Russians -
                That we never give up.

                Your Rada is egg-headed
                Not the last, and not new.
                Steals everything to the last,
                Leave the poor poor!

                How wrong were you with the right sector
                Ordinary and vector.
                Shed blood - wash yourselves,
                Then you will not hide from reckoning.

                You who raised the country to the knives
                The words of reason not understood!
                Run - help!
                God will not repay without our help!

                You have no spirit to be free -
                We will not even become consolidated with you.
                The Nazis will not be brothers to us
                Neither in the Homeland, nor in the mother!

                Ilya Kulev

                Ust-Kamenogorsk,
                The Republic of Kazakhstan
                1. Cnbv
                  Cnbv April 9 2014 14: 42
                  +3
                  Cool !!! Well done Ilya !!! So it will be.
                2. Cnbv
                  Cnbv April 9 2014 14: 42
                  0
                  Cool !!! Well done Ilya !!! So it will be.
                3. BIGLESHIY
                  BIGLESHIY April 9 2014 17: 13
                  +10
                  Ah yes maladtsa, wiped his nose swanorylam-banderlog good

              4. Vanko
                Vanko April 10 2014 22: 14
                0
                I watched the video, even both. Recalled the indignant cry of an offended child, addressed to the mother.

                Yes, they sucked it up. We had to educate ourselves. Now, after the upbringing of Washington, either try to open your eyes, or learn to swim by throwing it in the water.

                The second seems to me more realistic.
            5. psg72
              psg72 April 9 2014 23: 26
              0
              + 1000000 + to you
          2. Barsik
            Barsik April 9 2014 13: 04
            +5
            Ukrainian land is standing on pigs, and on top is a piece of fat

            Ancient Ukrainians mined fat from mammoths laughing laughing laughing
            1. dustycat
              dustycat April 9 2014 18: 24
              +1
              Quote: Barsik
              Ancient Ukrainians mined fat from mammoths

              No! Fat from the whales tore.
              This is where the word "kit" denoting a cat came from in the read move.
        3. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ April 9 2014 10: 15
          +15
          Kh.Oh.L.y. completely set off. Well, it’s necessary to show your stupidity to the whole world.
          No wonder Russia for centuries nurtured Ukrainianism, because they saw all their idiotic Svidomo.
          They had to be crushed until the mental illness was completely cured, and not a quasi-state was created for them, adding Russian lands and Russian people to slaughter them.
        4. Fin
          Fin April 9 2014 13: 48
          +7
          And also ancient Ukrainians were engaged in breeding dinosaurs for fat. From there went the science of salting.
        5. Indigo
          Indigo April 9 2014 15: 45
          +11
          That caught my eye:
          In ancient times, when Ukraine had the shape of a ball, and pigs in the offseason threw off fat, all people on earth lived happily ever after. Oaths i digged the earth and were small evil trolls. When the great Ukrainian science came to Atlantis, Oaths was forced to dig gas, which was carried by camels in bags, along the great silk road, which was laid by the great protoukry, from India to Atlantis itself. Naturally through Ukraine! AtlantisTs neglected wealth, and sent it to the Ukrainians.

          The empire flourished. The Great Ukrainian Pharaoh Cheops Tutankhamonchenko, built a pyramid for himself. Gas needed more and more. But the oaths were constantly doing dirty tricks: then they wouldn’t put such gas in it, otherwise they would mix shit into the gas, but it was impossible to fry fat. But one fine day, Oaths I thought of the fact that they began to fill the bags with fart steam. When a bag was untied in Atlantis, a terrible spirit of the spirit filled all the space around. The stench reached heaven. Even God Zeus, by the name of Kronoschuk, could not stand this stench and threw lightning. A thunder of terrible power thundered, flames broke out and swept across Atlantis, so much so that Atlantis, together with people, lard and a fungus, disappeared under the water. This is how Oaths I destroyed Atlantis.

          Author - http://allesanbr.livejournal.com/11333.html
        6. cozy
          cozy April 9 2014 17: 25
          0
          it’s good that they specified that a whale is a fish ... because in Ukrainian, a kit is a cat smile
          1. Irokez
            Irokez April 9 2014 18: 38
            +3
            Quote: cozy
            this is a fish

            In general, the Whale is a mammal living in the ocean, but in this case, let it be so for now, and our glorious "Cats" Siberian or Persian by no means pull on fish.
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 April 9 2014 08: 58
        +11
        Quote: Igor39
        Stop publishing these antiquities here, from the first part it was clear who was the oldest in the world

        Indeed, to show the adyts what they have in mind is not good, the monkey is a work. A collection of idiots competing with the Poles of antiquity. And let their legs be amused in their mouth with their antiquity.
      3. Patton5
        Patton5 April 9 2014 11: 11
        +7
        No, not all! There was also "The War of the Rings" !!! Well, remember, when Sauron the black, forged the ring of omnipotence ... When the Cossack Viisko rose to fight ... And when the black fortress "Barad Dur" fell ... the Mazepa then, without waiting for the help of the "forest brothers" headed by Bandera, only crossing the Great River "Anduin" .. so on horseback, all in white, fought with the black ruler, and in the fateful hour ... with the sacred hetman mace he struck down the lord of Mordar !!!!!
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 9 2014 08: 35
      +30
      Quote: Good cat
      very apt definition of "Ukrainian fantasy"

      What a fantasy! Genre - Horror! And these horrors are being introduced from kindergarten !!! You live in Ukraine - you are Ukrainian! No other nationalities! And only to speak Mov! Children are crippled from 3 years old! So why do you wonder then - "where did it come from"? The West immediately bet on raising Russia's enemies at its side. Fortunately, the plan failed completely! Not all succumbed.
      1. smile
        smile April 9 2014 10: 13
        +2
        Egoza
        It’s even surprising that not all young people of Ukraine succumbed to such systemic total propaganda.
        1. yastr
          yastr April 9 2014 10: 52
          +10
          More surprisingly, in addition to young residents, mature people succumbed to this. The zombie masses are terrifying, the question is: how to zombie them? Is this even possible?
          1. smile
            smile April 9 2014 11: 39
            +5
            yastr
            Well, at one time we also got divorced perestroika .... as if an open door was announced in madhouses .... "Shvaboda to parrots!" - they yelled .... they were shouting, or the Union ... and in fact, too, they seem to be mature people ... Propaganda does terrible things to people. And a cure ... is possible, of course, but this is a long process, and not all are curable - look, we still have plenty of those who consider perestroika to be a blessing ...
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 April 9 2014 17: 44
              +1
              Quote: smile
              A cure ... maybe, of course, but it's a long process

              Volodya, and not a damn thing, I have a father-in-law who served in the Northern Fleet, Ukrainian television was flabbergasted for three months, now we don’t communicate. And if you use counter-propaganda, then you can change people's opinion.

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          3. Cappit
            Cappit April 11 2014 06: 03
            0
            Why be surprised? Hitler, with much smaller, compared with modern propaganda opportunities, made Nazis out of just six of the respectable burghers.
            Is it possible to razombirovat? At least once, this succeeded: see the history of the Great Patriotic War of 1944-45.
      2. Check
        Check April 9 2014 15: 09
        0
        if you pay attention to who has now come to the protests, these are mainly people of Soviet hardening, there will be none and hell knows what will happen next.
      3. picnic
        picnic April 9 2014 18: 59
        0
        Let them boast of their modernity.
    3. AleksPol
      AleksPol April 9 2014 08: 46
      +7
      Yes ... the myths of the ancient Greeks rest. What a fantasy in the minds of the authors of these myths
      1. PPL
        PPL April 9 2014 09: 15
        +7
        Quote: AleksPol
        Yes ... the myths of the ancient Greeks rest. What a fantasy in the minds of the authors of these myths

        Regarding myths, Ukrainians have good teachers.
        There will be time to read the Book of Mormons. These are "true" stories published in 1830 by a certain Joseph Smith in which about 13 million people from different countries believe.
        The book, according to Mormons, is a description of the relationship between God and the pre-Columbian civilizations of America in the period from about 2600 BC. e. 420 g. e., compiled by the prophets and followers of Jesus Christ. It also tells about the teachings of Jesus Christ, set forth by himself during a personal visit to America after his resurrection.
        No words - only emotions ... lol
    4. brelok
      brelok April 9 2014 08: 48
      +11
      It is interesting how teachers in the Crimea will explain to students discrepancies in history. I read their textbooks when I wrote my graduation thesis - sometimes my hair stood on end! And now we are surprised that they are jumping like stupid people.
    5. Interface
      Interface April 9 2014 09: 03
      +13
      When I see VKontakte ukroistorika, I just want to ask: "and if Ukraine is Kievan Rus, then why is there no word Ukraine in the ancient chronicles?" fool The following answer follows: "it is not mentioned there, but it was so." fool fool fool
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 April 9 2014 09: 19
        +12
        Prince Svyatoslav would have become cooler if he had learned that he ruled Kievan Rus. It was not in vain that he sought to transfer the capital from Kiev to the Danube. His idiots got him, and they probably rode on the Maidan.
        1. smile
          smile April 9 2014 10: 19
          +9
          ele1285
          Well, it was easier for him — having crawled out onto the Maidan — with a piece of iron on the head and the whole business ... and everything was legal in exact accordance with the most faithful European values. Although European values ​​were then such that the naive children of nature, the Mongolian comrades, who did not touch the churches, clearly would have looked against the background of enlightened Europeans as notorious humanists .... :)))
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 April 9 2014 17: 49
            +7
            Quote: smile
            Well, it was easier for him

            It’s easier, I don’t argue, his mother from Pskov, drove the Kiev boyars with a dirty rag, it wasn’t Yulia.
            Smile, I got people from Ukraine here, I threw off the picture, though it was written with errors, but still fun
      2. Aleksandr65
        Aleksandr65 April 9 2014 13: 11
        +7
        There is another explanation: the ancient authors ... "did not have complete information"! Here ukroistoriki know from today, but those flawed contemporaries, no!
    6. RUSS
      RUSS April 9 2014 09: 30
      +6
      Quote: Good cat
      That's just real ......, a very apt definition of "Ukrainian fantasy"


      John R.R. Tolkien rolled over from such a fantasy saga in his coffin
      1. smart Fox
        smart Fox April 10 2014 21: 38
        0
        A similar thought also occurred to me. It seems that the creators of this opus of Tolkien specifically re-read.
    7. Alez
      Alez April 9 2014 10: 43
      +4
      The only nation wrongly defined is to write correctly either "urks" or "orcs".
    8. Patton5
      Patton5 April 9 2014 10: 58
      +8
      After reading the article, for some reason, Poland immediately appears before my eyes ... the same great and humiliated country that suffered from fascism no less than Ukraine, is now experiencing a colossal surge of nationalism, fascism! Who is to blame? That's right, Russia ... Apparently this is the fate of all the "prostitutes" ... "I came to do it, they didn't take it, I need to eat for something and went to the panel, etc., etc."
      1. hommer
        hommer April 9 2014 11: 35
        +6
        Quote: Patton5
        After reading the article, immediately for some reason Poland rises before my eyes ...


        I have a question, can anyone explain?
        - Why the anthem of Ukraine - Ukraine has not died yet - so suspiciously reminiscent of Polish - Polish has not disappeared yet?
        1. PPL
          PPL April 9 2014 13: 16
          +8
          Why is the anthem of Ukraine - Ukraine hasn’t died yet - it so suspiciously resembles Polish - Still Poland has not perished?

          The anthem of Poland (the composition “Mazurek Dąbrowskiego” “Mazurka Dombrowski” or “March of Dombrowski”) in 1797 influenced the text and meter of the verse of Pavel Chubinsky in 1862, the future anthem of the future Ukraine - “Ukraine Has Not Died”.
          Such is the story that there was nothing of its own, but I really wanted to. lol
          One word - "u k r y" ...
        2. 311ove
          311ove April 9 2014 13: 17
          +2
          So it was written to the tune of "Dombrowski's March" (in my opinion) - the anthem of Poland.
        3. Setrac
          Setrac April 9 2014 13: 23
          +2
          Quote: hommer
          I have a question, can anyone explain?
          - Why is the anthem of Ukraine - Ukraine hasn’t died yet - it so suspiciously resembles Polish - Still Poland has not disappeared?

          Here it is clearly said that "not yet", but already in the process and soon "already finished."
    9. Setrac
      Setrac April 9 2014 13: 13
      0
      Quote: Good cat
      That's just real ......, a very apt definition of "Ukrainian fantasy"

      Here you need to understand the following. Any new state, and all states once appeared and were "new", and so, ANY state at the moment of its birth writes itself a new history by the same methods as Ukraine. That's it, let me draw your attention - ALL states wrote themselves a "new" history in order to legalize themselves, to justify their independence. They copied chronicles, forged "antique" poems and treatises.

      There is a direct relationship, the later the history of this or that state was written, the more "ancient" it became.

      Thus, the "youngest" story came from the Russians and the Turks, and the most "ancient" is the Ukrainian people, Jews, Armenians, clowns are resting in the circus.
    10. 311ove
      311ove April 9 2014 13: 29
      +2
      Quote: Good cat
      "Ukrainian fantasy"
      Listen, but in my opinion this is not fantasy at all, but stupid plagiarism .... I looked at it all for some reason, especially on the cards I thought that everything that started in the textbooks on P and C (Russia, Slavs, etc. d.) they just changed what is called U ..... what request fool
    11. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch April 9 2014 15: 09
      +1
      not right. Proto-ukras they flew from Venus, which means still fantastic.
    12. cdrt
      cdrt April 10 2014 01: 08
      +2
      - What is one ho.ol?
      - Curcul (fist)
      - What are two hoh.a?
      - Partisan detachment.
      - What is three hoh.a?
      - Partisan detachment and traitor.


      Ukrainians, according to legend - the oldest people on planet Earth.
      According to the legends, monkeys came from the protoucres, from whom the man subsequently descended.

      (C) Lurkomorye
      1. Cappit
        Cappit April 11 2014 06: 13
        0
        No need to offend the monkeys!
      2. Cappit
        Cappit April 11 2014 06: 13
        0
        No need to offend the monkeys!
    13. vjhbc
      vjhbc April 11 2014 00: 17
      0
      ATTENTION all creative people work in the fantasy style DETECTED new hero more epic, legendary and fabulous THAN Dwarves Elves and Orcs together meet this VELIKIYyy UKRrr clothes he only red trousers hair it is a mustache braided in a braid obvivayuschie bald head from the weapon only Pitchfork is such an outstanding hero and did not dream of Tolkien there is already information that Hollywood wants to continue the series about Middle-earth with the alleged name GREAT UKRRR and LOST LAND
  2. Mihail177
    Mihail177 April 9 2014 08: 34
    +5
    Reunion should go along with the cultural and educational mission
    These Ukrainians waved their independence. How old have they been a mess! With a hard hand they need to ... well, then cultural missions smile
    1. olegglin
      olegglin April 9 2014 11: 18
      +4
      repost:
      From Donetsk, with love :-)

      He spent the night at the Regional State Administration, barricades were built, and in the peak of Tarut (the great builder of the Great Donetsk Defensive Moat), the Great Wall was built from paving slabs, tires, etc. improvised means :-) The building around the perimeter was completely barricaded (there are three barricade belts at the central entrance), the supplies of barbed wire that were found in the OGA basement were very useful. They waited for the assault from 2 to 3 at night, and then until the morning, as of 6 in the morning (7 in Moscow time) there was no assault. Our women were amazed, I love them forever - not only did they carry along the sidewalk for barricades along with the men (and this, in addition to preparing food, coffee and tea, they try to keep order in the territory more or less), they also refused to go outside the perimeter a safe place when there was a particularly tense moment of waiting (there was a rehearsal of actions in case of an assault).
      1. valerei
        valerei April 9 2014 11: 59
        +8
        I read the repost: "From Donetsk, with love", now I remember many reports from the eastern regions of Ukraine, the proclamation of "republics", etc. But it is clear that none of these people read V.I. Lenin. And he wrote: "It is necessary every minute and in any place to achieve, at least minimal, but success. Defense is the death of an armed uprising."
  3. Sergg
    Sergg April 9 2014 08: 34
    +17
    There was no Ukraine when, only the greatness of Russia saved them from assimilation with the Poles.

    And before Drunken Boris, such a state of Ukraine did not exist at all.
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 April 9 2014 09: 03
      +4
      Quote: Sergg
      And before Drunken Boris, such a state of Ukraine did not exist at all.

      You might think that after the collapse of the Union, the Wahlaks became a state. The territory of Russia was temporarily occupied by Yukrenia.
  4. Humpty
    Humpty April 9 2014 08: 35
    +7
    To absorb such a "story" into the brain, the first thought is that you need to be born a moron. However, the Germans in the 30s, too, willingly absorbed something similar. Every day they say, a pig, a pig, because many really grunt. Germans are still grunting. are treated.
  5. volot-voin
    volot-voin April 9 2014 08: 42
    +8
    Russia - sounds proudly and through centuries. Unfortunately, many deeds of Russians are trying to nationalize and rewrite under mythical ukrov. Even the famine was private, Ukrainian. All this information war is waged by our ancient enemies from the west, using Galician nationalism to the fullest and a bunch of traitors. Our brothers are specifically brainwashed. Ukrainians - from the word dill))
    1. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather April 9 2014 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: volot-voin
      Ukrainians - from the word dill))

      Hey, leave me alone! I’m glad to have it with boiled potatoes, and a borshch with jealousy, and barbecue ... But you start to swear with dill. Do not spoil your appetite, I beg you! hi
      Indeed, in the article there is a definition of these newly blinded - U_KRY from the new Ukrainian Reich.
  6. Chifka
    Chifka April 9 2014 08: 43
    +10
    Campaign - the ancestors of mankind? Does it belong to them the three greatest inventions, wheel, fire and fat? It was they who created all the great civilizations, including African and Aztec? He is like .... what
    It remains to tweak Darwin a little: the person descended from the apes .... Khokhla i.e., and the history of creation of the world will be completed.
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 April 9 2014 09: 06
      +3
      Quote: Chifka
      Does it belong to them the three greatest inventions, wheel, fire and fat?

      True, we have already used computers, cars and telephones. Let them further invent.
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS April 10 2014 02: 22
      +1
      Quote: Chifka
      Does it belong to them the three greatest inventions, wheel, fire and fat?


      not ... They belong to theft, lies, deception.
  7. igorra
    igorra April 9 2014 08: 43
    +2
    Thank you for the article. I didn’t think that everything was so neglected, but it turns out where they were sausages from. How much effort and funds will then be needed to backwash their brains from fat. Although it can be a more dramatic five-liter enema, it will be faster for advocates of gay values ​​through their ass.
    1. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather April 9 2014 11: 09
      +2
      Quote: igorra
      How much later will it take effort and money to backwash their brains from fat.

      Unfortunately, the brain is only treated with trepanation.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik April 9 2014 08: 46
    +5
    Oh, these storytellers ... Not so funny as sad ..
  9. 020205
    020205 April 9 2014 08: 47
    +8
    Damn, I’m shocked. But did the Ukrainians with Tsar Leonid shoulder to shoulder against Xerxes at Thermopylae, or they took Troy, and Homer forgot to mention them. laughingIt was then that the machinations of the evil to her began, they took Homer to bribe, that would erase ukrov from history
    1. Horn
      Horn April 9 2014 09: 17
      +3
      Quote: 020205
      Damn, I’m shocked. But did the Ukrainians with Tsar Leonid shoulder to shoulder against Xerxes at Thermopylae, or they took Troy, and Homer forgot to mention them. laughingIt was then that the machinations of the evil to her began, they took Homer to bribe, that would erase ukrov from history

      - No, Troy took Achilles. Here he was definitely from ukrov. And the Ukrainians could not fight with Tsar Leonid, as the Ukrainians are the Dorians. Tsar Lyavon - national hero ukrov.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS April 9 2014 09: 41
      +3
      Quote: 020205
      Damn, I'm shocked. And Ukrainians with Tsar Leonid shoulder to shoulder against Xerxes did not fight at Thermopylae


      That's right, the Ukrainians defeated the Persians led by Tsar Leonid Kravchuk. laughing
    3. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 April 9 2014 13: 28
      +2
      What Troy, what trifle are you talking about?
      Mobile units of ukrov from the Dnieper River on the advice of the Magi colonized the whole world (Africa, Asia, Europe and America) !. Christopher Nolumb (KOLOM!) - a native of Kolomyia, the Arakan Indian tribe (Arkan-ancient Ukrainian dance) - descendants of the ancient ukras, Pissarro (Ukrainian. Clerk) -also ... It.d.
      I'm not kidding! For an exciting reading, I recommend "CHRISTOPHOR COLUMBUS WAS UKRAINIAN! Mykola Volynsky - analysis of the books recommended for schools and universities by A. Dubina and Plachinda, candidates of historical sciences of Ukraine.
  10. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx April 9 2014 08: 47
    +1
    This whole story is far-fetched. Brad, or whatever "kindergarten ..."! laughing
  11. Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 April 9 2014 08: 49
    +3
    It is not treated. It is necessary to take Russian lands with the population and not linger. A lot of blood can spill.
  12. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob April 9 2014 08: 50
    +1
    Well, we have Fomenko with Nosovsky also in full control and even in some schools tried to teach on his crazy books. But in any case, it is worth noting that the Ukrainians fell off the Russian family themselves (no one drove them) and call brothers, and even more so treat them condescendingly as brothers, there is no sense.
    1. Starominchanin
      Starominchanin April 9 2014 09: 43
      +4
      it is one thing when individual individuals confuse concepts such as historicism and fantasy, and another when it is brought to the level of state. politicians .... remember the globe of Ukraine .....
    2. Turkir
      Turkir April 9 2014 10: 12
      +3
      And do not mention. On the one hand, Ukrainians, on the other, with the theory of Dumb Fomenko. And what's in the middle? In the middle are people who are interested in history, but so far, pay attention, reading with historians, that Svetoslav was born in 945, and Vladimir in 954! Although, a long time ago, Tatishchev cited the facts that Svetoslav was born in 926. But Fomenko and Nosovsky are dangerous, and their followers are not far from the Pithecanthropus. And it’s scary to imagine that we will be taught in schools, such nonsense.
      1. rereture
        rereture April 9 2014 10: 55
        +1
        Well, yes, ban everything, follow only the course of the party.
      2. Alexander Veter
        Alexander Veter April 10 2014 08: 23
        0
        Why do you put it on a par with Fomenko and Nosovsky with the ukrucheny? Then put in this row our entire official Russian history written by the Germans. Regarding Tatishchev, and what he said (excerpt from the article)
        - Let's say right away that Tatishchev, apparently, should be excluded from the ranks of the founders of Russian history. The fact is that Tatishchev's "History", supposedly written before Miller, actually GONE. Today we have, under the name Tatishchev, ONLY TATISCHEV'S "DRAFT" PUBLISHED BY A MILLER. True, ALREADY IN OUR CENTURY, after the 1917 revolution, historians found some manuscripts in PRIVATE archives, which they proposed to consider as variants of the "real" Tatishchev's "History". However, historians themselves admit that ALL THESE LISTS ARE WRITTEN IN DIFFERENT HANDLING. It is believed that Tatishchev “only ruled” them and, perhaps, wrote in separate parts. How Tatishchev wrote his “History” and why he could not publish it, we learn from Schletser's memoirs. The following is reported: "VN Tatishchev ... in 1719 received one copy of Nestor from Peter's office (that is, a copy of the Radziwil Chronicle made for Peter I in Konigsberg - Auth.), Which he immediately copied for himself ... in 1720 ... Tatishchev was sent to Siberia ... Then he found a very ancient copy of Nestor in a schismatic. How surprised he was when he saw that he was ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT from the previous one! He THINKED, like me at first, that there ONLY ONE Nestor and one chronicle ". As I thought, as a result, and "happened." Indeed, today we actually have ONLY ONE text describing the history of Ancient Rus - this is the Tale of Bygone Years. The rest of the texts, including the genuine ancient ones, were apparently simply destroyed or reliably hidden. We quote further. "Tatishchev little by little collected a dozen lists, using them and the other versions reported to him, he made the eleventh ... In 1739 he brought it from Astrakhan to St. Petersburg ... He showed his manuscript to various people; but instead of approving it and support, they made STRANGE OBJECTIONS to him and tried to reject him from the whole enterprise. Soon Tatishchev began to be suspected, no less, - OF FREEDOMNESS AND HERESIES. They write this: "He allowed himself a lot of bold arguments that could bring on him even more dangerous the suspicion is in POLITICAL FREEDOM. Undoubtedly, THIS WAS THE REASON THAT THE PRINTING OF THIS 20 YEARS OF LABOR IN 1740 WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL. ”Subsequently, Tatishchev wanted to publish his work in England, but this attempt was unsuccessful. Thus, Tatishchev's work was actually LOST (deleted ?) and it is not known from what manuscripts it was allegedly published by MILLER. It is believed that Miller published exactly Tatishchev's LOST WORK, allegedly, according to his drafts. << Miller writes ... about the LIST that was at his disposal "HUD" ...
        Miller admitted that he could not correct "all the mistakes" of the manuscript ... Miller, in the "notice" to the first volume, also pointed to HIS RIGHT OF THE TATISHEV'S TEXT ... All subsequent reproaches to Miller essentially repeated only what he said in these NOTICE AS NONE OF THOSE MANUSCRIPTS [Tatishchev] WHICH MILLER USED, ANY OTHER MANUSCRIPTS OF THE "STORY" Until then >>
  13. skyil
    skyil April 9 2014 08: 50
    +6
    ,, .. I wanted to write a comment, even the ellipses E,. ,, .., .., !!!!!!! fool
  14. Gorjelin
    Gorjelin April 9 2014 08: 52
    +6
    talks about the "oldest Ukrainian nation on earth", which arose 40 thousand years ago and in the middle of I millennium BC. e. created the state "Great Ukraine"


    All descended from "ukrov", including monkeys laughing
  15. Neighbor
    Neighbor April 9 2014 08: 58
    +4
    Looks like not without Zadornovsky "stupid" this porridge was cooked. for such a violent flight of imagination, an empty head is needed !!!
  16. Berserker
    Berserker April 9 2014 09: 01
    +4
    I agree with the author that now they are increasingly distorting history for their own purposes! On the Internet, millions of Ukrainian boys foaming at the mouth are proving that they are "special" and that Russians are not their brothers ... Unfortunately, in a little more than 20 years, they managed to raise a generation of hating Russians and blaming us for their problems. And how not to see the hand of the West here? what
  17. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX April 9 2014 09: 01
    +5
    Ukrainians are not a separate people, this is a completely different biological species, since even before the emergence of the Earth, in the place where Ukraine later appeared, in the cold of a space vacuum, bacteria flied in suspended animation which subsequently evolved into proto-ukrov and eventually into Svidomites.
    I won’t be surprised if Christ turns out to be Ukrainian wassat
    1. My address
      My address April 9 2014 09: 59
      +8
      Accurately, Artem hi !

      And then there is the scientific fact that Adam and Eve are protocranes. lol From which some of the domestic animals originated (for example, the name of the chicken is the khukhlatka, or even take the widely recognized theory of the origin of elephants. It is known that the homeland of elephants is not God's paradise, but the country of Ukrolandia). The hedgehog is clear that they also put their little hands on the plants - for example, dill came from there. And then there were people. In general, Kiev is older than the universe! wassat

      And many in Ukrostane seriously like their nonsense as their history! And that in the twenty-two years of independence, half of them collapsed from what they had, so in the Hochland pumpkin fool it is recorded that the envious Russians are guilty. Is it possible to envy the mass dullness ?!

      Yes. Evil wrote. And he could even meaner. And there is a reason.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 April 9 2014 11: 27
        +5
        Quote: My address
        A hedgehog, it’s clear that they also attached their little hands to plants - for example, dill came from there.

        Then the word "steal" came from ukrov. laughing
        1. My address
          My address April 9 2014 14: 14
          +1
          Tin, dear Alexander! hi
          After that, the descendants of ukrov only hang around!
      2. visitor
        visitor April 9 2014 15: 31
        0
        Dog breed: Chinese CRESTED dog, this is a direct indication that everything is not so simple with the Chinese
    2. Turkir
      Turkir April 9 2014 10: 14
      +4
      And there is. Everything happened from ukrov: chickens, geese, pigs ..
  18. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 9 2014 09: 03
    +4
    How many I have already read these historical opuses ..))) Which nation you take is the most ancient of the oldest and the smaller the more ancient and dense laughing I was taught that all nations are equal and in order to build something in peace and tranquility it is necessary to unite not only militarily, but also in scientific and technical cultural, etc. And if we talk about antiquity, then the cities of Arkaim (South Urals) are the oldest of the ancient and high civilized (archaeologists and historians scratch their heads and cannot explain by ..)))
    1. PPL
      PPL April 9 2014 09: 30
      +2
      And if we talk about antiquity, then the cities of Arkaim (South Urals) are the oldest of the ancient and highly civilized (archaeologists and historians scratch their heads and cannot explain by ..)))

      There is no mystery here, you haven’t looked at the map, this is, after all, the former territory of the Aryans-Proto-Ukrainians !!! And even before Akraim "there was" Ariigrad ", and they were ruled by" Ariyslav "". fool For whom they try and write stories ...?! request
      laughing hi
  19. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 April 9 2014 09: 05
    +1
    I recall a cartoon about three Cossacks))
  20. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 9 2014 09: 07
    +16
    Something like this Damn ....
    1. Myth
      Myth April 9 2014 10: 59
      +1
      Does the tail grow out of the head?
      1. klopik
        klopik April 9 2014 15: 01
        0
        this gyrus - the only one - crawled out and crawled away in an unknown direction laughing but I was taught this story at school. in the 9th grade, I already clearly understood that they were pushing me into something. soon the child to school - scared ....
  21. andrei72
    andrei72 April 9 2014 09: 07
    +3
    From early childhood in the minds of children "plant" any lie about "occupants" and "great ukrov" and in 20 years you will get fully formed nationalist scumbags who will burn their fellow citizens (Berkutovites) with "Molotov cocktails" and rob civilians.
  22. Lyton
    Lyton April 9 2014 09: 10
    +2
    And that you are surprised they will now have a lot of pseudo-scientists who will carry such nonsense just to be closer to the feeder.
  23. Horn
    Horn April 9 2014 09: 15
    +4
    Bushkov, Fomenko with Nosovsky and all the so-so-criticized personalities nervously smoking on the sidelines. Scaliger with Goebbels and Ribbentrop spin in a coffin, like propellers ...
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 9 2014 10: 17
      +1
      Bushkov, Bychkov Fomenko and Co., are also Ukrainians and do not stand aside. One company.
  24. avia12005
    avia12005 April 9 2014 09: 16
    +4
    War? War ... War! If the West wants war, he will get it. It is time to change, as someone wrote here, T-34 and EC-2 on pedestals on T-90. Merkel, give the command to wash the pedestals, but somehow it is inconvenient, not in a European way, will put them on dirty soldier
  25. slav4ikus
    slav4ikus April 9 2014 09: 17
    +1
    I could not read this nonsense to the end
  26. Oleg Prophetic
    Oleg Prophetic April 9 2014 09: 18
    +2
    In the article, the true truth is the way it is. Alas.
  27. With Petrovsky
    With Petrovsky April 9 2014 09: 25
    +4
    Yes, there was no such fascinating, amazing reading for a long time. It's a pity, it's scary to understand that this nonsense about "Great Ukraine" has washed the heads of an entire generation.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS April 9 2014 09: 44
      +5
      Quote: S Petrovsky
      Yeah, such a fascinating, amazing reading was not there for a long time.


      I put off the "Battle of Thrones" in the bookcase and go to buy the History of Ukraine, as I understand it is more exciting lol will be.
  28. andrey903
    andrey903 April 9 2014 09: 27
    +4
    What are the Aryans? Rather, white negros. The Germans did not count them as people, a mixture of Romanians, gypsies, and Poles
    1. RUSS
      RUSS April 9 2014 09: 45
      +2
      Quote: andrey903
      The Germans did not count them as people, a mixture of Romanians, gypsies, and Poles


      The Westerners are precisely from such a national mixture that their faith consists of a "mixture" - Orthodoxy and Catholicism!
      1. smart Fox
        smart Fox April 10 2014 21: 42
        0
        What faith is what these scum believe in? Definitely not in god.
  29. Djozz
    Djozz April 9 2014 09: 35
    +4
    Today I went to the censor no, as he held a dead rat in his hands, hatred, curse, etc., here is the final product of the "historical" education of the youth of Ukraine!
  30. mamont5
    mamont5 April 9 2014 09: 40
    +5
    "... the presentation of the material will openly incline to the idea that the Scythians are" ancient Ukrainians ".
    Further, the children will be informed that "ancient Ukrainians" have lived on the lands of present-day Ukraine since the XNUMXth century. "
    Well, actually ... no words. Ukrainians are Ukrainians.

    "A distinctive feature of" Ukrainian history "is the fact that all significant successes and achievements remained in antiquity, including in the mythical past."
    What a bad luck. And the descendants have nothing to show.

    "Even the Polish-Lithuanian union is presented as a forced measure necessary to fight the German knights and" Muscovy "."
    Still would! it's hard to call your betrayal a betrayal.

    "created a" powerful state "- the Zaporozhye Sich."
    The prototype of the present Maidan.

    "It turns out that the Cossack army" drove Napoleon out of Russia. "
    I recalled the description of the assault of Izmail by the troops of Suvorov, which was a little earlier than the war with Napoleon. Suvorov said that part of the troops was represented by Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, armed only with peaks, there were no sabers, nor, moreover, pistols, and the peaks were simply cut by the Turks and the Cossacks remained unarmed. Here, apparently, with such peaks the Cossacks drove Napoleon.

    "During World War II, the Ukrainians allegedly heroically fought both the" Bolsheviks "and the Germans. Some authors generally agree that Hitler wanted to" recreate the Ukrainian state ", freeing it from the" Bolshevik yoke. "
    So still struggled with the Germans or allied? You already decide, Ukrainians, please.
    1. Starominchanin
      Starominchanin April 9 2014 09: 58
      +1
      popular science style of textbooks is a distinctive feature of the Ukrainian ideological school, which for some reason they call historical ...
  31. Starominchanin
    Starominchanin April 9 2014 09: 40
    +8
    as a historian it was very interesting for me when I first got acquainted with such masterpieces. When I asked my colleagues (from Ukraine) what sources, and most importantly, the primary sources they used, it all boiled down to one thing - THE TRUE SOURCES DESTROYED BY THE ENEMIES OF THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE (i.e., LYAKHI, THAT Jews) AND THEREFORE TO US (i.e. Ukrainian "SCIENTISTS") HAVE TO RECREATE (COMPOSE) NENKA'S STORY BY THE BIGGERS. When asked what methodological techniques and systems they use in analyzing and processing information ...... received a meaningful answer - "you are trying in every possible way to prevent us from living our stories and are proud of its glorious past ..... after this answer, I had no questions!
  32. Aeneas
    Aeneas April 9 2014 09: 42
    +5
    Well, here we can say (about the article) - laughter and sin. After all, it is very easy to figure out "where the dog rummaged" - go to the website of the Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine. Just for the 5th grade of secondary school, and the article deals specifically with the history textbook for the 5th grade, this textbook is laid out in PDF format. http://www.mon.gov.ua/ua/activity/education/56/school-books/, http://www.geneza.ua/media/content/Vlasov_IsUk_P_5rus_(045-13)_S%20(1 ) .pdf
    So sho, draw information from primary sources, compare, analyze ... Maybe I'm not attentive, and did not find "ancient ukrov"?
    1. revnagan
      revnagan April 9 2014 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: Aeneas
      the article is about the history textbook for grade 5, this textbook is available in PDF format

      Nothing was found on this link. And the pressure from the Galicians all these years is just wildest. For me Ukraine is Poltava, Zaporozhye, Chernigov. Their language, customs are Ukraine. Galician dialects, the very manner of speaking, their wild customs, the culture is strikingly different. Even the way of pronouncing the words is different. And all this they persistently plant throughout Ukraine, stubbornly promoting as true, racial "Ukrainian", and everything else is considered as spoiled by Russian influence. These goat-herders sincerely believe that we should be re-educated true Ukrainians and make every effort to this, and the West pays for it all. It is difficult to resist the expansion of Galicia into the greater Ukraine, help is needed.
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas April 9 2014 12: 01
        +1
        double-checked the link. Mustache work! You can go to the MON site. There just laid textbooks (pidruchniki) for 5 classes with different languages ​​of instruction.
        1. Aleksandr65
          Aleksandr65 April 9 2014 13: 43
          +1
          NOT pratsue Pardon number 404
          Incorrectly typed addresses, but such a site on the website of the Ministry is not longer ..
          1. Aeneas
            Aeneas April 9 2014 15: 12
            -1
            strange, it works for me ... Well then go to the MON site http://www.mon.gov.ua/
            , then the tab "Doshkilna and secondary education", then "Shkilny pіdruchniki" ... And voila ... Although, perhaps due to the "Crimean events" this site became terrorist! recourse
    2. klopik
      klopik April 9 2014 15: 06
      0
      Yes, you look at the film DNA portrait of the nation, and then talk shows with the participation of famous people of the Liberty party. if you still do not understand that it is going to that, then I am sorry. it is a flawed ideology aimed at brainwashing. I am disgusted that my state, instead of truthfully describing history, is engaged in the education of a nationalist in me. I want truth, not fiction about the division of the Russian people
  33. Igarr
    Igarr April 9 2014 09: 50
    +8
    And I will simply repeat once again what I have already said.
    All this husk, with Great Ancient Ukrainians, is only the beginning.
    For kindergarten. For school.
    Then, all this majestic nonsense will depart, of course.
    And the result will remain - pure HATE!
    N E N A V I S T .......
    to those who speak Russian, to those who have been occupying Ukraine for three months, to those who do not allow Ukraine to develop in the European direction, to those who climb with their "Mongol-Finnish, cotton-wool" hands to SALU, oil, gas, iron, coal .... Great Ukraine.
    Well, who are we, of course. Omsk. Russians. Together with them, all those who support Russian.
    Belorussians, Great Ukrainians hate no less than Russians. Because they remember about Khatyn.
    Yes, whoever you take - the big-handed hate everyone.
    They will not take to the EU - they will hate the EU. The super fleet of the American fleet will not help - they will hate the Americans.
    ...
    Their 23 years so educate - HATE. All. But neighbors - to hate in the first place.
    ...
    It is not given to them that aimless, unrealizable hatred destroys primarily the wearer.
    ...
    Faster ... or they would have collapsed. Or began to implement.
    Then it would be possible to carry out Develicronization quite legally.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 9 2014 10: 27
      +3
      There is NOTHING except hate. This is absolutely accurate. They are not people, just destroyers, a typical antisystem. Only their upbringing began long ago with the Light Regiment of the Cursed. And if it was limited by the framework of Austria-Hungary by the beginning of the 20th century, then after a hundred years, the stench poison of hatred spreads throughout Ukraine.
  34. mamont5
    mamont5 April 9 2014 09: 52
    +2
    “It is clear that so far the official Ukrainian historical science and school textbooks reflect a softened version of“ Ukrainian fantasy ”.
    Of course! And then, after all, the brains of schoolchildren will immediately go to one side.
  35. filalex79
    filalex79 April 9 2014 09: 56
    +2
    Mdaa, insanity grows stronger!
  36. crambol
    crambol April 9 2014 09: 59
    +2
    during mental contact with the "ancient Ukrainians."


    ... with "ancient URKS"!
  37. aviamed90
    aviamed90 April 9 2014 10: 02
    +2
    But interestingly: Adam and Eve were also Ukrainians? Apparently they were also followers of Bandera and Petlyura and members of the UNA-UNSO?
    A snake tempter - Russian?
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 9 2014 10: 30
      +1
      God was Russian, and the serpent tempter Stepan with Bandura.
  38. sled beach
    sled beach April 9 2014 10: 12
    +1
    The United States is trying to crush and destroy us! Everyone quietly nod their heads but continue to consume American goods. And when Amers comes and says: -You must live as we tell you! no need to be surprised, for we ourselves have chosen our own story! When the everyday, fleeting satisfaction of the needs of a citizen is placed above the interests of our people, our Genus (development path). Like limp worms, worms incapable of perception but only able to eat.
  39. mackonya
    mackonya April 9 2014 10: 16
    +1
    It is hard to believe that it is possible to change national identity like this.
  40. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 9 2014 10: 31
    +2
    Tolkien smokes nervously!) Frodo Bagens lacks and charms)
    1. bubalik
      bubalik April 9 2014 10: 36
      +7

      Voenruk SU  Today, 10: 31 New


      Tolkien smokes nervously!) Frodo Bagens lacks and charms


      ,,,such? belay
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  41. Myth
    Myth April 9 2014 11: 02
    +3
    Guess who was the first on the moon?
    1. nizrum
      nizrum April 9 2014 11: 19
      +4
      Great Ukrainian !!! Which was launched by a slingshot stretched from the border to the border !!! tobish from the atlantic ocean to the quiet !!!! yes

      I know for sure that I went to school there in the 90s.

      Even then we neighing that they will soon come up with a great empire of ukrov))) and now imagine my surprise when I see our children's FANTASIES in history books wassat This is p_i_pec comrades !!!!
  42. Lelek
    Lelek April 9 2014 11: 12
    +9
    Glory to UKRAINE from Amsterdam to Tokyo. Glory to the Maidan Heroes.
  43. SukhovAM
    SukhovAM April 9 2014 11: 13
    +2
    It seems to me a sane person, especially a young inquisitive mind, cannot buy such rubbish. Just like Ostap Bender about New Vasyuki! More, better, and fences and abroad will help us! Maybe in Ukraine people have forgotten how to think and read, but only through the zomboyaschik perceive information !? Or maybe they vaccinated the polls so they taught their own children such nonsense !? To sit for 23 years in such shit, brains will definitely be from shit!
    1. Aleks_good
      Aleks_good April 9 2014 16: 00
      0
      baby to buy it. Then he will grow up and teach this to children. 10 years left and no one will remember that Ukraine and Russia are one people. NLP is actively used there and the population who watches Ukrainian TV, reads the Internet, and at least glances at billboards by the road, is gradually programmed ... they are taught to hate Russia, Russians and the Russian language, create negative stereotypes about Russians, forcing bilingual Russians of Ukraine to distance themselves from Russians . We have come up with the word Russians, but they have a little numb ... and now everyone who lives there will become Ukrainians.

      This is the genocide of the Russian language. How to deal with this infection?
  44. dmb
    dmb April 9 2014 11: 16
    +2
    Well, I just want to cry with emotion. Well, what kind of Ukrainians do ... and. They should read our historians. Then they would have understood the full depth of their delusions. In particular, they would have no doubt that the Cossacks created Russia, that they defeated Napoleon, that the Slavs built the Great Wall of China, etc. This I mean that the concept of "inadequate" exists among all nationalities, and the author is true to himself. He calls not to look to the West. Who is against it? Most of the site does not actually do this. This means that his appeal must be addressed to others. And who looks around here, who determines foreign policy? The next passage "Iran, Syria, India, China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and many other countries of South America, as well as Africa and Asia, will only be happy to return to the world arena of the Russian soldier, who has always been a defender of the universal concepts of goodness and justice. ". In this regard, China is especially touching. At the same time, I would like to know where exactly the author heard or read about the joyful cries of the citizens of these countries.
    1. alebor
      alebor April 10 2014 10: 54
      +1
      In general, it is strange that no one has yet noticed that the authors of the notorious Ukrainian textbook are simply pathetic plagiarists. Indeed, in fact, they stole everything from the famous historian from Russia A. Samsonov, replacing the most powerful superethnos of the Rus-Scythians discovered by him in the world, who has been living in our country since the Proterozoic era, with some incomprehensible, miserable ukrov. wink
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  45. kotvov
    kotvov April 9 2014 11: 23
    +2
    this is a diagnosis, urgent urgent treatment is needed. Yes, it was somehow shown that in 1918, Ukraine owned 9 battleships, it seems 16 submarines and a bunch of destroyers. There were no words, I wanted to shoot Bandera again.
  46. Zelen
    Zelen April 9 2014 11: 25
    +3
    Oh thanks, I haven’t laughed for a long time, I’ll keep it for myself, I will re-read ...)))))))))))))))
    1. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 April 9 2014 13: 52
      +1
      CHRISTOPHER COLUMB WAS UKRAINIAN!
      Nikolay Volynsky, writer and journalist
      A. Rodin "Refusing the Russian name"
      1. 933454818
        933454818 April 9 2014 22: 25
        0
        Why not? There were many jokes on this subject: Kostya Golubkin went fishing in the sea and, by chance, ran into America ...
  47. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 April 9 2014 11: 27
    +2
    Yes, they are at the root teach their children to hate themselves, because you can’t get away from the truth! Once everything comes up, and again there will be war!
    1. klopik
      klopik April 9 2014 15: 07
      0
      this is scary. you cannot build something good on hate. hatred is not able to create, it can only destroy
  48. gsg955
    gsg955 April 9 2014 11: 29
    +4
    F. Nietzsche said: Historians are spoiled people, since they can change history, which is inaccessible to the gods.
  49. Old Siberian
    Old Siberian April 9 2014 11: 39
    +9
    Holy Prince Vladimir would have shot himself from a bow if he had heard that he was called ukrom, not RUSOM!
  50. rasputin17
    rasputin17 April 9 2014 11: 46
    +1
    A wonderful world awaits those who wish to study the history of "Great Ukraine".
    belay

    Notes of the insane in writing modern senility !! wassat I wonder why they smoked when they wrote this wonderful world of "Great Ukraine" ??? laughing