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In Russia, developed a supercomputer chip on superconductors

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In Russia, developed a supercomputer chip on superconductors



BISKVID can allow to reduce the power consumption of supercomputers on 6 orders!

Scientists of the INP and the Faculty of Physics of Moscow State University have developed a new bi-SQUID chip from the superconducting material for the logical elements of the supercomputer, whose electrical resistance is zero. It is possible that the invention will reduce the power consumption of supercomputers on 6 orders!

Earlier, they had created a chip with the same name for superconducting high-linear magnetic field detectors and high-linear low-noise amplifiers.

“BISQUID itself was proposed by us earlier together with the professor of the Faculty of Physics Viktor Kornev and was used in devices of analog superconducting electronics. News that Josephson contact with a ferromagnet is now used in it, and the scheme is used for reversible computations, ”said Igor Solovyev, senior researcher at the INP MSU.


New superconducting reversible circuit for logical elements of the BISQUID supercomputer. J1, J2 - Josephson contacts, J3 (blue) - Josephson contact with a ferromagnet


The name "BSCVID" comes from the abbreviation "SQUID" (from the English SQUID - Superconducting Quantum Interference Device) - a superconducting quantum interference device with a unique sensitivity to a magnetic field. The prefix "bi" in the title reflects the unification of the functions of two SQUIDs in one scheme.

It is known that the high power consumption of modern supercomputers is a difficult problem on the way of their further development. According to the estimates of scientists, a further increase in productivity at the same pace as today will lead to the fact that the operation of one next-generation supercomputer will require a personal unit of a nuclear power plant.

“Energy consumption depends on a number of factors, including the principles of implementation of logical operations and the choice of materials used to create microchips,” Nikolai Klenov, associate professor at the Physics Department of Moscow State University, comments on the situation.

The processes occurring in all modern computers - personal and supercomputers, are irreversible. This means that some of the information in the process of calculation is lost, that is, according to the obtained result, we cannot recover what was at the input. This loss of information is accompanied by a loss of energy and an increase in the temperature of the computer, which was shown in 1961 in the work of R. Landauer. The use of semiconductor materials with electrical resistance, also leads to the fact that the calculations are accompanied by loss of energy and heating of the computer. For the computer to work, it is necessary not only to compensate for the loss of energy, but also to cool the chips to operating temperature. The natural way out of this situation can be the use of reversible logical operations that take place without loss of information, and the creation of computer chips using superconducting materials whose electrical resistance is zero.

By the way, recently, US and Japanese scientists experimentally showed that the power consumption of reversible superconducting circuits can be more than 6 orders of magnitude lower than the power consumption of existing semiconductor analogues, while the power consumption of existing digital superconducting electronics circuits is lower only by 3 order. But the superconducting circuits studied by them were rather cumbersome by the standards of modern nanotechnology, which prevents the creation of a supercomputer on their basis.

To solve the problem, the staff of the Laboratory of Physics of Nanostructures of the INP, MSU, headed by Mikhail Kupriyanov, together with colleagues from the Faculty of Physics of Moscow State University, started creating new superconducting reversible circuits. They recently developed a basic element of a supercomputer's memory cell, the so-called Josephson junction with a ferromagnetic material. This invention makes it possible to rely on the creation of a compact and energy-efficient superconducting memory, the absence of which is a significant obstacle to the practical application of the existing digital superconducting technology. However, the logical operations used in this technology are irreversible, and, consequently, the energy efficiency of the circuits is low.

In order to achieve a drastic reduction in energy consumption, this time scientists of the Institute for Nuclear Physics and the Faculty of Physics of Moscow State University proposed a new superconducting reversible scheme for the logical elements of a supercomputer. It consists of three Josephson contacts, one of which is the previously proposed contact with a ferromagnet.

“The use of ferromagnets in superconducting reversible circuits makes it possible to significantly simplify their design, reduce the size and ensure the adiabatic flow of the information processing process,” commented the invention the senior research associate of the INP MSU Igor Solovyov. “According to the degree of intensity of energy release, the processes occurring in modern computers and in our proposed scheme can be compared with the turbulent flow of a mountain river at numerous rapids and with the quiet, almost imperceptible in appearance, flow of a wide, deep river on a plain.”

It remains for scientists to test their invention experimentally. In the case of funding, laboratory tests may take place already this year.


View of the constant component of the potential profile of a new reversible bi-SQUID scheme with a Josephson junction with a ferromagnet. The use of a ferromagnet ensures the existence of equipotential evolutionary trajectories of the system in the process of information transfer (shown by gray arrows), minimizing the energy release.



Top left to right: Alexey Zotovich, Sergey Zyryanov, Dmitry Lopaev, Dmitry Voloshin, Konstantin Klopovsky, Alexander Palov, Yuri Mankelevich, Konstantin Kurchikov, Alexander Chukalovsky Below from left to right: Olga Proshina, Alexander Kovalev, Tatyana Rakhimova, Alexander Rakhimov, Anna Vasilyeva


The group under the leadership of A.T.Rakhimov conducts research on the interaction of plasma with modern electronics materials with ultra-low dielectric constant. Details - in an interview with the leading researcher of the department of microelectronics of the INP, MSU, Candidate of Physical and Mathematical Sciences Dmitry Lopaev.

- Dmitry Viktorovich, tell us about your work in the group led by A.T. Rakhimov.

- We are working with new nanoporous materials with low dielectric constant (low-k films), which allow the distribution of signals in new chips with a high packing density of elements - the distance (half-pitch) between the elements of 10-22 nanometers. The smaller this distance, the more elements can be made on one square centimeter. We are now talking about a thousand billion items per square centimeter. These are processors, this is memory. In reality, these are such things, when you will have enormous computing power on one palm.

- How porous materials?

- Up to 50 percent porosity. It’s like cheese with lots of holes close to each other. The size of a typical nanopore is from 2 to 4 nanometers, that is, it is actually several layers of atoms. This porous material is very light, lighter than carbon CFRP, but it also has very high strength. Twice stronger than quartz. It resembles fluff or snow, but you will clear the snow, but it does not. It is durable, as it is bound. This material is pressed.

- What is the density?

- The density of modern low-k dielectrics of the order of and less than one gram per cubic centimeter.

- What are these materials and who produces them?

- All materials are provided by foreign partners. There are no such materials in Russia, as there is no production.

It is an organosilicate material consisting of silicon, oxygen, carbon, and hydrogen. And that's why SiOCH material is called. This is the most promising material.

- What is your contribution?

- We started working more than six years ago. The second was the generation of these materials, and the task was to implement the 22 technology nanometer, which are now used in the latest generation of processors from Intel. It is also solid-state drives, such terabyte drives of such size as your mobile phone.

Our contribution to technology is that we gain knowledge of how these materials are degraded in plasma under the conditions of the production process. That is how degradation mechanisms occur during etching. Knowing this, you can suggest ways to avoid degradation.

- What knowledge did you gain from degradation?

- The fact is that the material is very porous. If even a little water gets into the pores, the material will swallow it like a sponge and that's it, the dielectric material will not work. After all, water has a very high polarizability, and, therefore, there will be a high dielectric constant. Therefore, the material must be hydrophobic.

Hydrophobicity is achieved using CH3-methyl groups covering the entire inner surface of the pores. But, unfortunately, Si-CH3 groups are very susceptible to chemical reactions with active particles - ions, radicals, photons, which fall into the film from the plasma during the process. And here are the tasks: to understand what happens to the Si-CH3 groups under the action of the plasma; and how to ensure that they are not removed, because as soon as the CH3 groups are removed, water penetrates the pores and the material can be discarded as it degrades.

- And how to be?

- According to the principle, as in the “Caucasian Captive”: the one who disturbs us will help us. This principle was used in our scientific work; it turned out to be very vital.

- How is this possible, tell?

- It turned out that the same hard photons, but from a different plasma, from a noble helium plasma, which are strongly absorbed, they modify not only the surface, but also the internal structure of the SiO2 material. And the top layer of material is compressed. If ions are still bombarded, breaking bonds, a dense crust is formed, but very thin, only a few nanometers thick. And it turns out that we are sealing the material - and there is no degradation, because nothing already penetrates there. This was shown by us, and the technologists mastered it in production.

But, unfortunately, to avoid penetration of hard radiation into the film is impossible. They tried to cover from above, too, in layers, in a thin crust, but it is so thin that radiation still penetrates, and degradation goes even under this crust. And so we went to the cryogenic process. This is when you freeze at cryogenic temperature - minus 100 - some products in the pores and calmly make the structure. In this way, you do not let the radicals or anything else penetrate there, which leads to a defect. After that, you sublimate, by heating the material, remove the products from these pores, and it turns out that you made the structure, but did not spoil the neighboring section.

- What other material degradations are observed during the technological process?

- We need the architecture of the connection layer in the processor to be etched. But those radicals that poison, it usually occurs in fluorocarbon plasma, cause degradation: they remove the methyl groups, penetrating the pores. You are making a structure, you have etched everything, and everything that is near is already spoiled.

- What to do in this case?

- There are several ways. Right now, we are directly engaged in finding out how the etching mechanism itself, the degradation, already with fluorine atoms occurs. Already have an understanding. And it helps us a lot that the university has a lot of different equipment.

- What are the diagnosis?

- We have to do a lot of complex diagnostics: FTIR, RBS, XRF, XPS. Here XPS is the study of the surface with the help of radiation, when you knock electrons from the lower shells with hard photons, and transitions from the upper shells characterize the structure of the material. And, analyzing energy, you can understand, because you feel chemical shifts, its energy depends on the element and with which it is chemically bound. Analyzing these spectra, one can understand with the highest precision how atoms are bound on the surface. I want to say, in order to carry out only one spectroscopic ellipsometry, which has nanometer sensitivity, a whole complex of very complex diagnostics is needed. And doing it somewhere on the side is very expensive. Each diagnostic is thousands of dollars.

MSU is one of the few organizations in the world that can afford the luxury of doing such complex research and making hundreds of samples. We conduct advanced research, because we understand a lot in the study of modern plasma.

But still, we don’t get into development, that is, the development of specific things, it is closed to us, because this technology is not Russian. And you need to create your own development center. Otherwise we will not develop anything of our own.

Intellectual property rights remain with us. If we suddenly want to introduce some kind of technology, suddenly it will develop with us, we can apply what we have done without any licenses here.

We are one of the very few in Russia who are researching nanoporous materials. We are now a little shard. Russia needs a certain center. In such a center, such groups as ours should be a lot in different directions, but for them there should be a certain cube of clean rooms in which, as in a designer, I could put together different technologies. Not managers to collect, and technology, precisely when there are various devices, different technological lines. I could rent from some Western company, so we need non-profit agreements. Then it is possible to develop, and all that you have done is yours. We must have our own electronics.
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  1. avant-garde
    avant-garde April 9 2014 06: 28
    13
    It is high time to develop your elemental base, in case of a serious kipish it will be very useful!
    1. W1950
      W1950 April 9 2014 06: 30
      +6
      It’s up to a little, to translate practically.
      1. Sibiriya
        Sibiriya April 9 2014 08: 26
        +3
        It remains for scientists to test their invention experimentally. In the case of funding, laboratory tests may take place already this year.

        I could rent from some western company, so non-profit agreements are needed. Then it’s possible to develop, and all that you have done is yours. We must have our own electronics.


        Money must be given and science will go laughing
        1. allexx83
          allexx83 April 9 2014 23: 11
          +1
          Rather, it is not necessary to steal. Where is Skolkovo and where are nanomaterials?
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 April 9 2014 06: 32
      +8
      This development is excellent, of course, but why do it? In my city, equipment purchased from AMD for 90 microns of the process is still not installed. Leading manufacturers have already (if not mistaken) switched to 28 microns.
      And this is just the structure of "yes", "no", "or" - is it good to think about it, but what to do with it? It's like having an ax and not having an emery bar with which to sharpen ...
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 April 9 2014 07: 00
        +2
        P.S. purchased in 2007 for our formerly defensive enterprise.
        By the way, some of the military canceled orders, but you run into me when I say that the movement with the Crimea will come back very, very different from now, and I will be VERY glad if I make a mistake.
        1. Canep
          Canep April 9 2014 07: 20
          +2
          BISKVID can allow to reduce the power consumption of supercomputers on 6 orders!
          This is if now I have a 600-watt power supply on my computer, then with these biscuits it will consume 0,6 mW, or it will be able to work from a small solar battery that is usually built into a calculator. And from a 2000 mAh finger-type battery, the computer will work for 4000 hours (half a year)wassat it doesn’t happen that way. At the Nobel Prize pulls.
          1. FID
            FID April 9 2014 08: 05
            +4
            Quote: Canep
            This is if now I have a 600-watt power supply on my computer, then with these biscuits it will consume 0,6 mW,

            Do not confuse personal and SUPERCOMPUTER, different structure, different power consumption ... "Biscuit", if you read carefully, with superconductivity, and high-temperature superconductivity is (currently, if I am not mistaken) about -100 degrees Celsius ...
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            2. Canep
              Canep April 9 2014 08: 22
              +2
              Everything that happened 10-20 years ago in supercomputers now stands on the table, or even lies in your pocket. The biscuit will go the same way, I'm sure of it. As for energy consumption, I certainly got excited, data transfer systems both devoured energy and will consume it. Wi-Fi with a power of 0,6 mW simply will not work, at least 100 mW.
          2. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch April 9 2014 08: 05
            0
            The unit is designed for 600 ... The computer consumes less even at its peak ...
            1. Canep
              Canep April 9 2014 08: 25
              +2
              I know this, but with a weak power supply the computer starts to fail after an hour and a half, and I have already stepped on this rake.
          3. Leonid Har
            Leonid Har April 9 2014 11: 17
            +2
            It can consume the same amount, only productivity will increase by several orders of magnitude, due to lower power consumption of microcircuits, it will be stuffed with nanochips to the limit, therefore, the processing speed of information will increase many times.
            1. Canep
              Canep April 9 2014 14: 26
              0
              And there is............
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        2. Nayhas
          Nayhas April 9 2014 08: 14
          +3
          Quote: mirag2
          By the way, some of the military canceled orders, but you run into me when I say that the movement with the Crimea will come around very, very differently now

          They come over because now the reflection of reality as it is is subject to obstruction by jingoistic patriots (and this site is their fiefdom), tk. many of them live in a fictional world of illusion or impose this state. Something I did not see on this resource the following statement by Rogozin "We ditched the machine tool industry, we do not have it."
          1. Ulus5
            Ulus5 April 9 2014 18: 22
            +1
            Quote: Nayhas
            Something I did not see on this resource the following statement by Rogozin "We ditched the machine tool industry, we do not have it."

            Well, why, it was like that. Only machine tool industry was ditched in the 90s. And now with a creak, but they are trying to build a new one. Only after all, with a thorough construction, it is not profitable. Very expensive production, and customers are dumb. One hope for the army and navy. There will be orders, and machine tool industry will be reborn. And sanctions only spur revival.
    3. Sterlya
      Sterlya April 9 2014 06: 51
      +5
      A lot of what has been invented in Russia, only produced over a hill. Skolkovo only real money and turns nano-money. (That is, makes them invisible to anyone)
    4. nokki
      nokki April 9 2014 07: 06
      +2
      It is high time to develop your elemental base, in case of a serious kipish it will be very useful!



      I agree to all 100%! We have some brains, but in the dashing 90 we seriously ruined our electronic industry. It is necessary to revive. In the meantime, it is necessary to use the experience of the USSR: through the third and fifth hands, obtain everything necessary.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 9 2014 07: 33
        +1
        Quote: nokki
        It is high time to develop your elemental base, in case of a serious kipish it will be very useful!



        I agree to all 100%! We have some brains, but in the dashing 90 we seriously ruined our electronic industry. It is necessary to revive. In the meantime, it is necessary to use the experience of the USSR: through the third and fifth hands, obtain everything necessary.
        but there was nothing to ruin, and then everything was purchased, it’s just that the last twenty years have completely braked, now you have to catch up, you need to learn from the Chinese. hi
        1. pensioner
          pensioner April 9 2014 08: 16
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          yes there was nothing to ruin, and then everyone bought

          Perhaps I do not agree. Everything necessary for the production of modern electronics at that time was. The lack of a unified policy in the development of computer systems hindered greatly. Their diversity was simply stupid ...
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 9 2014 07: 30
      +2
      Quote: avant-garde
      It is high time to develop your elemental base, in case of a serious kipish it will be very useful!
      not useful, but badly needed yesterday! so far this is a very weak spot, but the process is going on !!! good
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 April 9 2014 08: 03
        +1
        Soviet microcircuits are the largest microcircuits in the world! laughing
    6. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB April 9 2014 09: 08
      +3
      The main thing now is not to share the discovery with "Western partners", when they need it, they will tear their mouths in a smile, and then throw ...
  2. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 9 2014 06: 30
    +2
    Why an island, but what about Skolkovo?
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 April 9 2014 06: 33
      +2
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Why an island, but what about Skolkovo?

      Skolkovo seems to have already split, but such news is encouraging. Russia can and should issue inventions of world significance.
      1. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov April 9 2014 06: 53
        +3
        Quote: mamont5

        Skolkovo seems to have already split, but such news is encouraging. Russia can and should issue inventions of world significance.

        The news is good, but Skolkovo is not happy ...
        Maybe it's time to put things in order there to please?
    2. Zelen
      Zelen April 9 2014 06: 37
      +4
      In Skolkovo, only money is laundered))
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 April 9 2014 06: 56
      +1
      Skolkovo is a type of pilot project for liberals who promised that Russia, bypassing the "industrial" part of development, would immediately fall into the "post-industrial" stage of development, we will only pump oil and programs (for customers from the West, it's cheaper to write).
      Therefore, the project was a failure in advance, which our grandmothers were used up in huge quantities by Vekselberg (besides, to support the "ov" -belolentochnik-like Ponomarev ...
      And what is more, Putin is blown away for such projects — he’s to blame for this, and he is stealing, he is stealing .... Yeah, and Veksel-g bought eggs for Russia — and this provided carte blanche to himself — like the Jewish oligarchs of Kolomoy’s etc.-gasoline bought with their own money and work without a salary, but why would they steal it, like Abramovich ...
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 9 2014 07: 34
      +2
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Why an island, but what about Skolkovo?

      you do not know? there they smashed the road, do not drive ...! laughing
  3. NIVH
    NIVH April 9 2014 06: 33
    +3
    Ideally, it would be nice to have the entire elemental base for domestic-made electronics.
    Moving in the right direction ...
  4. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim April 9 2014 06: 34
    +2
    I think in the medium term we will see a super computer in the form of a laptop made somewhere in Novosibirsk. As the Chinese say: a journey of a thousand begins with the first step.
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq April 9 2014 06: 58
      0
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      I think in the medium term we will see a super computer in the form of a laptop made somewhere in Novosibirsk. As the Chinese say: a journey of a thousand begins with the first step.

      I would like, but we need state will, otherwise:
      - What are these materials and who produces them?

      - All materials are provided by foreign partners. There are no such materials in Russia, as there is no production.

      It is an organosilicate material consisting of silicon, oxygen, carbon, and hydrogen. And that's why SiOCH material is called. This is the most promising material.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 9 2014 07: 38
        +1
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        I think in the medium term we will see a super computer in the form of a laptop made somewhere in Novosibirsk. As the Chinese say: a journey of a thousand begins with the first step.

        I would like, but we need state will, otherwise:
        - What are these materials and who produces them?

        - All materials are provided by foreign partners. There are no such materials in Russia, as there is no production.

        It is an organosilicate material consisting of silicon, oxygen, carbon, and hydrogen. And that's why SiOCH material is called. This is the most promising material.

        and here you are mistaken! material has been found, in huge quantities, there are development of the field, with all that it implies ... the article was half a year ago on topvar-look! interesting! hi
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast April 9 2014 11: 05
          0
          and here you are mistaken! material has been found, in huge quantities, there are development of the field, with all that it implies ... the article was half a year ago on topvar-look! interesting!

          That I strongly doubt that this material is mined in a mine or quarry. There is a production process that is quite complicated, in order to obtain the minimum dielectric coefficients.
  5. siberalt
    siberalt April 9 2014 06: 41
    +1
    Reduce power consumption by 6 orders of magnitude? Well this is less than a million times! Wow breakthrough!
  6. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 9 2014 06: 42
    +1
    We must have our own electronics.
    I must and I have no doubt what will happen to such specialists. Success in the experimental consolidation of Success !! The Kulibins on the Russian land did not transfer.
    1. vlad_m
      vlad_m April 9 2014 08: 48
      +2
      And most importantly, in the photo in the article. Next to the masters of science are young guys. Fresh brains of domestic science!
      Kulibins not only did not go extinct on the Russian land, but also new ones are growing !!!
  7. morpogr
    morpogr April 9 2014 06: 50
    0
    Well done, the Russian land was not impoverished by talented people.
  8. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har April 9 2014 06: 51
    +1
    And Chubais is not to blame for this breakthrough with his multibillion-dollar investment in Rusnano. And where does the people's money go? Why is the question of testing this microcircuit raised? They should have begun a long time ago, because funding in this direction should not meet with resistance. It's time to jump off the oil and gas budget-forming component. Let "Raptors" and "Tomahawks" already be equipped with our microcircuits. And then we'll see in which direction they fly.
  9. Yarik
    Yarik April 9 2014 06: 56
    +2
    It is possible that the invention will reduce the power consumption of supercomputers by 6 orders of magnitude!


    Impressive, impressive. A revolutionary breakthrough in technology, if things go well. However, in Russia there have always been no problems with discoveries and inventions, problems are always with INTRODUCTION.
  10. Junior, I
    Junior, I April 9 2014 07: 00
    0
    It is necessary to restore production, to purchase equipment from China, robotics of conveyors for the production of chips and other domestic radio components.
    You need to restore everything that has collapsed.
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 April 9 2014 10: 25
      0
      Yes, not to buy from China or Zimbabwe, but to do your own!
  11. techmesh
    techmesh April 9 2014 07: 01
    0
    We could always come up with a super-duper, only the implementation went on for years, or even went beyond the hill. It is necessary to implement immediately. SUCCESS !!!
  12. waisson
    waisson April 9 2014 07: 03
    +1
    We must have our own electronics and no other then we will not depend on anyone. GOOD FELLOWS !!! good
  13. Grbear
    Grbear April 9 2014 07: 06
    +1
    Actually, this is what the RAS needs (rather than renting property), which will appreciate the importance of the institute and give a team for financing.

    I hope that the President of the Russian Academy of Sciences Vladimir Fortov and the head of the FANO Mikhail Kotyukov understand this.
  14. mrDimkaP
    mrDimkaP April 9 2014 07: 11
    0
    Our BiSQUIDs and cakes are the most energy-efficient in the world!
    Americans will create skynet

    We already have an answer!
    1. Leonid Har
      Leonid Har April 9 2014 11: 11
      0
      Is that a prototype of a combat robot?
  15. pv1005
    pv1005 April 9 2014 07: 14
    +3
    In order to implement (implement) the money you need to give (invest), and in our heads it is programmed to TAKE the percentage of profit from 150, and how to reprogram it FIG knows.
  16. Al_miller
    Al_miller April 9 2014 07: 26
    +1
    Quote: Younger, I
    It is necessary to restore production, to purchase equipment from China, robotics of conveyors for the production of chips and other domestic radio components.
    You need to restore everything that has collapsed.

    No need to purchase! Tie off the ruble from the dollar. Everything is there, except for financing! The dollar does not allow to increase funding for scientific research. (I didn’t pass)
  17. Stinger
    Stinger April 9 2014 07: 31
    -3
    It would be necessary to connect Chubais. But for that kind of money, unfortunately, he will not go to lead the process. And the process is adiabatic, in which the system does not exchange the allocated allocations with the surrounding space.
  18. Kodar 75
    Kodar 75 April 9 2014 07: 38
    +2
    This once again proves that we do not need any Western trinkets. We can create our own. And an order of magnitude better. Only Russia is a little different in that it produces everything there super-duper individually, and then there is no mass production for its own country. So, you don’t know either to rejoice or to be skeptical. It will be bad if we also sell these schemes to the same China or to someone else
  19. saag
    saag April 9 2014 07: 44
    +1
    They work for Intel, the way they go, they can, in the form of sanctions, deprive them of access to the necessary materials and everything, or even prohibit the use of products made in the USA, as it was with the T-system, and again they sailed
  20. rugor
    rugor April 9 2014 08: 13
    +1
    Quote: saag
    They work for Intel, the way they go, they can, in the form of sanctions, deprive them of access to the necessary materials and everything, or even prohibit the use of products made in the USA, as it was with the T-system, and again they sailed


    Well so nerf trend about discoveries at every corner. First, bring the project to implementation. The state should support such developments.
  21. Al_miller
    Al_miller April 9 2014 08: 16
    +1
    Quote: Kodar75
    This once again proves that we do not need any Western trinkets. We can create our own. And an order of magnitude better. Only Russia is a little different in that it produces everything there super-duper individually, and then there is no mass production for its own country. So, you don’t know either to rejoice or to be skeptical. It will be bad if we also sell these schemes to the same China or to someone else


    That's what I said above! We can’t set up our production and development slows down because the ruble is tied to the petrodollar. Thanks to Yeltsin! Tie off the ruble, and it will go! And domestic politics will go a different way! Finances will be unprofitable to withdraw!
  22. saag
    saag April 9 2014 08: 17
    0
    Quote: rugor
    The state should support such developments.

    Yes, it’s direct, this is not the USSR for you, the government’s favorite pastime is privatization, the same with inventions, its own production electronic base in a large black PR (Jap.)
  23. darksoul
    darksoul April 9 2014 08: 42
    +2
    Quote: avant-garde
    It's time to develop your elemental base


    I agree only this is not enough, domestic supercomputers (T - computer) have developed put into operation, so what? did not receive distribution .. so it is necessary not only to develop but also to correctly implement
  24. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 9 2014 09: 02
    +1
    We had everything by the end of the 90s. And your personal computer and printers and supercomputers and electronics. Mobile technology has gone to Japan, although it is ours. GLONAS - Soviet development. So that everything was and it is not necessary to think that we ourselves are not able to do it. Cover borders to protect local producers.
  25. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 9 2014 09: 11
    +1
    I don’t understand anything about this, but I am proud! smile
    I am just sure that we can do EVERYTHING !!!
  26. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 9 2014 09: 16
    +1
    It seems to me that over time, dissertations will be written on the topic "Sanctions as a motivation for the rapid development of Russia." This is the proverb, "until the thunder breaks out, the man crosses himself."
  27. ivdel
    ivdel April 9 2014 09: 28
    +1
    The more sanctions, the stronger Russia.
    1. Leonid Har
      Leonid Har April 9 2014 11: 05
      0
      Quite the contrary: the stronger Russia is, the more sanctions.
  28. Vita_vko
    Vita_vko April 9 2014 10: 14
    +2
    The topic of research on superconducting Josephson junctions with tunneling and ferromagnetic layers has been around for more than a decade. It is reasonably well substantiated theoretically, and the question now is to develop an acceptable and effective technology. And this requires a serious scientific and financial approach. We have a chance to take a leading position in the field of microelectronics and break the stereotype that our "microcircuits are the largest microcircuits in the world." Most countries and large companies spend substantial funds on these purposes, but fortunately only our scientists have innovative thinking. The main thing is that all work would be in the hands of scientists and under the strict control of the state. If "effective managers" are allowed into this process, then not only will there be a leak of strategic technologies, but a mechanism for washing and cutting the attendants will immediately appear. The same non-proliferation principles should be applied to such technologies as in the missile industry.
  29. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 13 November 2018 18: 12
    0
    Chubais will not give others like him, like Kudrin ..