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Has Venezuela opted to purchase Chinese Falcon L-15 combat training aircraft?

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Has Venezuela opted to purchase Chinese Falcon L-15 combat training aircraft?

Venezuela purchases L-15 Falcon combat aircraft produced by the Chinese company Hongdu (Hongdu), Infodifensa reports with reference to the information contained in the press release of the Defense Ministry of Venezuela.


According to a press release from the Defense Ministry of Venezuela, during a speech at the Military Academy of the Venezuelan Air Force in Aragua State, Defense Minister Admiral Carmen Teresa Melendez Rivas said that the Venezuelan Air Force had delivered a project to supply L-15 aircraft.

Later, in a press statement made by 4 on April after meeting with the president of Venezuela, the minister said that the L-15 project for UBS was "already being implemented." Details of the purchase and delivery of aircraft at this stage are not disclosed.

In November 2013, representatives of the Venezuelan Air Force held talks with a delegation of the Chinese National aviation Import Export Corporation (CATIC). The Chinese delegation held a presentation of the jet trainer / light combat aircraft L-15 Falcon, designed to train pilots of “third generation fighters” (according to the Chinese classification - approx. TSAMTO).

The Venezuelan air force has been searching for an effective jet fighter for a long time, designed to train modern fighter pilots. According to the information of Infodifensa, the purchase of K-8V Karakorum aircraft in China did not allow to solve this problem in full.

Earlier, the Venezuelan Air Force considered the possibility of acquiring Russian Yak-130UBS, but then expressed interest in buying L-15. In September 2012, Rosoboronexport made the Venezuelan Air Force a formal proposal for the supply of the Yak-130UBS. At that time, it was assumed that the decision on the choice of supplier of the new TCB / UBS will be made in the next few months.

L-15 “Falcon” is the first supersonic TCB in China and is a two-engine twin-engine supersonic aircraft capable of reaching a maximum speed of 1,4 M. Maximum take-off weight is 9500 kg, the maximum range is 550 km. M. Considering that the L-16,5 project was developed with the participation of the Yakovlev design bureau, as well as the promoted “Alenia Aermakki” supersonic MFC-15, externally L-346, Yak-15 and M-130 are very similar. L-346 is somewhat larger.

The features of the L-15 are a digital, electrically-operated flight control system and a glass cockpit. Control of the aircraft and weapons systems is carried out on the principle of HOTAS (Hands-on Throttle and Stick). The cabin is equipped with multifunctional display devices. The length of the L-15 is 12,27 m, the wingspan is 9,48 m. The plane is equipped with AI-222-25F engines produced by the Ukrainian company Motor Sich.

In addition, Admiral K.Melendez announced the launch of the delivery of the 9 Group of Transport Aviation located at the Air Force Base named after General Joseph Antonio Paes to Port Ayacucho (Amazonas), light transport aircraft Do-228-212 / 228 NG “Dornier” ”Purchased by the MoD of Venezuela from RUAG Aviation (RUAG Aviation) under the contract for the supply of 10 aircraft. It is planned that their delivery will be carried out at the rate of 1 aircraft per month.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 8 2014 09: 58
    +11
    Well, that they "passed us on the bend" ... I wonder how long it will take, how long will these "airplanes" "begin to crumble" ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 10: 06
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      Well that "passed us at the bend

      Yeah, only the plane is very reminiscent of the Yak 130.
      1. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 April 8 2014 10: 17
        +6

        Yeah, only the plane is very reminiscent of the Yak 130.
        he is in the same line with the yak and Russian engines
        1. almost demobil
          almost demobil April 8 2014 10: 22
          +7
          Especially very guessed with the engine manufacturer. Ukrovskaya motor-sich - it is visionary and cool! fool
        2. platitsyn70
          platitsyn70 April 8 2014 10: 22
          +4
          The development of the supersonic combat trainer L-15 was launched in the early 2000s, together with the Russian Yakovlev Design Bureau and the Ukrainian Progress ZMKB. The Russian design bureau provided technical documentation for the Yak-130 aircraft, and the Ukrainian design bureau delivered DV-2 engines for prototype testing. [1]
          Ukrainian engine so far but may soon become Russian
        3. Val_y
          Val_y April 8 2014 10: 45
          +5
          Not "Motor Sich" is Ukraine wink
        4. Windbreak
          Windbreak April 8 2014 11: 03
          +3
          L-15 is even different from the Yak-130 and M-346
          1. Mainbeam
            Mainbeam April 8 2014 12: 08
            +1
            .
            The L-15 is similar to the 2's engine F-16
            I will not say for the price, but unlike the Yak-130 (M-346), the L-15 is supersonic.

            .
            1. Mainbeam
              Mainbeam April 8 2014 15: 24
              +2
              Oo-yo-yo, naminusovany. Take a look at the plan view
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            2. Mainbeam
              Mainbeam April 8 2014 19: 40
              0
              Here's another picture
          2. Anton Gavrilov
            Anton Gavrilov April 8 2014 13: 11
            +1
            It’s clear that there are differences, but the glider and the plumage, especially the glider, are very similar. The main differences are in the two engine layout, because of this, the plane had to make so many changes compared to the YAK-130.
            1. Windbreak
              Windbreak April 8 2014 16: 42
              +1
              Yak-130 is also two engine
      2. Saburo
        Saburo April 8 2014 12: 05
        +2
        It is even written in the article that:
        L-15 was developed with the participation of Yakovlev Design Bureau
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      4. atalef
        atalef April 8 2014 12: 14
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, only the plane is very reminiscent of the Yak 130.

        Hi Sanya
        The plane is, of course, another Chinese slime.
        But in general, then. Even if he is a copy of Yak, Russia will at best receive a copy of the payment transferred to China by Venezuela.
        In general, Venezuela is in debt both in silk and in China, she owes it most unwillingly.
        Therefore, nothing surprising, China pushed, and the light of Latin American socialism, as always, was naked like a falcon.
        Therefore, China bent it.
      5. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov April 8 2014 13: 08
        +1
        Well, so it was created with the participation of KB Yakovlev.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 April 8 2014 10: 32
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      Well, that they "passed us on the bend" ... I wonder how long it will take, how long will these "airplanes" "begin to crumble" ...

      Venezuela has long and closely worked with China, which by the way lends it willingly. We, too, everything was bought on credit for 4 lard.
    3. Mizhgan
      Mizhgan April 8 2014 12: 49
      +1
      The whole problem of Chinese technology is maintenance. Bought cheaply - threw it away. Buy a new one.
    4. SS68SS
      SS68SS April 8 2014 14: 10
      0
      Like everything Chinese. Body only its own, and even then copied from our "Yak". And the engines are "zhovtno-blakidny" assembly. Japanese electronics. Collected and sold. And they don't bother with development. Cheap and cheerful. But the plane is not a car, you can't stop in the sky to see what's wrong with the engine ...
    5. SS68SS
      SS68SS April 8 2014 14: 10
      0
      Like everything Chinese. Body only its own, and even then copied from our "Yak". And the engines are "zhovtno-blakidny" assembly. Japanese electronics. Collected and sold. And they don't bother with development. Cheap and cheerful. But the plane is not a car, you can't stop in the sky to see what's wrong with the engine ...
  2. Gvozdovsky
    Gvozdovsky April 8 2014 09: 59
    +4
    Well, again, the Chinese have bypassed us: we develop and test - we, but they sell and get "profit". angry It is necessary to remove unnecessary derivatives from this equation (China)!
  3. Siberian German
    Siberian German April 8 2014 10: 01
    +1
    Mlyn - this is cooperation with foreign partners - our projects have been cracked and now they are trading instead of us
  4. mirag2
    mirag2 April 8 2014 10: 03
    +7
    Well done, well done. Let the Chinese buy airplanes, China is still some kind of ally for us now.
    But in Venezuela, there is also a division of power: American corporations were expelled, the oil industry (the world's largest explored reserves) were given to us for exploration and development (25 billion of our investments there), and some "friends" from Israel say here (atalef-mouse) : "Why do you need this rotten Venezuela? There is no toilet paper there ..." - this is good advice?
    The main thing is to save our investments there! God bless Maduro! And the people of free Venezuela! soldier good
  5. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky April 8 2014 10: 04
    +3
    Quote: Gvozdovsky
    Well, again, the Chinese have bypassed us: we develop and test - we, but they sell and get "profit". angry It is necessary to remove unnecessary derivatives from this equation (China)!

    Surely the Chinese requested a lower price, and Venezuela pecked at it.
  6. Leader
    Leader April 8 2014 10: 10
    +7
    "Top managers" from Rosoboronexport will ruin our military exports ...
    These greedy fools do not know how to trade, and most importantly - do not want to engage in subsequent service.
    Mired in corruption and bureaucracy.
    And there’s nothing to roll a barrel to China - there they’ll shoot the stolen government officials and confiscate the stolen goods in favor of the state.
    Serdyukov’s case lives and thrives ...
  7. mamont5
    mamont5 April 8 2014 10: 11
    +2
    Well, it’s clear ... the number is cheaper, the price is cheaper.
  8. Vova
    Vova April 8 2014 10: 11
    0
    It is time for the Soviet empire to forget about its superiority in weapons. All the ironic attacks on Chinese weapons, all the talk about poor quality - the fruit of false patriotism. 5-10 years and all. China is a leader in all world positions: weapons, space, science.
    1. sscha
      sscha April 8 2014 10: 38
      +4
      You are mistaken, Vova !!! You can’t just simply copy qualitatively without technology, you can’t just invent without fundamental knowledge, etc., etc., etc. .... And this is the time! And others do not stand still. hi
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  9. Name
    Name April 8 2014 10: 12
    +3
    "The miser pays twice," or maybe three times ... winked
  10. Sterlya
    Sterlya April 8 2014 10: 31
    +1
    Beautiful coloring book.
  11. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city April 8 2014 10: 34
    +2
    I think that with the supply of engines in the near future problems may begin. Since Ruin forbade us to supply equipment, most likely the answer may be the same, which could lead to a shutdown of the Motor Sich factories.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas April 8 2014 11: 21
      +1
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      Since Ruin forbade us to supply equipment

      Are you a Chinese citizen? L-15 "Falcon" Chinese car, with China Ukraine trades as before.
      1. 1c-inform-city
        1c-inform-city April 8 2014 11: 51
        +2
        The fact is that Motor Sich buys quite a lot of components from us and it is practically impossible to create import substitution in today's conditions.
  12. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 8 2014 10: 41
    +3
    And Vaska listens, and eats ... While we are stuck in the Ukrainian showdown, China does not miss its.
  13. Arh
    Arh April 8 2014 10: 46
    +3
    Strange and I like the Yak-130 !!! ***
  14. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 8 2014 10: 51
    +4
    Well, they got excited! And if they "climb" on the rivets, like Chinese pants at the seams? wassat
  15. inkass_98
    inkass_98 April 8 2014 11: 07
    +1
    We will see what happens. Although China and Pakistan have long and closely cooperated in the military field and there were no complaints about quality (maybe there is no one to complain about? wassat ). Our gentlemen from "Rosoboroneskport" must either be faster or sew up their pockets. And somehow it is necessary to put cooperation with China on a different level - we develop, we help with technologies and engines (not only in this case), and then they sell the finished product under their own name. What do we have from this besides losses?
  16. agniy
    agniy April 8 2014 11: 13
    0
    if I understand correctly, the Yak is intended for training flight crews for 4+ aircraft, and Chinese for 3-flight, perhaps the question was for whom we are teaching and for how much is all this fun.
  17. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 8 2014 11: 22
    +1
    As you know, a copy is never better than the original. Venezuelans have the opportunity to once again be convinced of this truth.
  18. Sergio Miranda
    Sergio Miranda April 8 2014 11: 24
    +6
    Quote: mirag2
    But in Venezuela, there is also a division of power: American corporations were expelled, the oil industry (the world's largest explored reserves) were given to us for exploration and development (25 billion of our investments there), and some "friends" from Israel say here (atalef-mouse) : "Why do you need this rotten Venezuela? There is no toilet paper there ..." - this is good advice?
    The main thing is to save our investments there! God bless Maduro! And the people of free Venezuela!


    So I read your comments and I can’t understand, are you all talking seriously? Let’s say I’m not writing from Israel, but right from Caracas I’m writing to you:
    1. Our investments for 25 billion are not here (there are intentions to invest similar amounts in the oil industry), Sechin has not yet gone mad. And it’s really worth saving Rosneft’s deposits on the Orinoco River.
    2. The economy of the country is completely destroyed (the oil industry is also breathing incense).
    3. There is no toilet paper, as well as sugar, milk, flour (corn and wheat), and a number of other products.
    4. Venezuela is not rotten, but a very beautiful and resource-rich country. The people here are rotten (not all of course), they will sell mom for a dollar.
    5. Under the guise of revolutionary socialism, this your "people of free Venezuela " lives under such wild capitalism, which we did not have in the 90s.
    6. "God save Maduro!" - this "radish" has promoted the interests of Russia several times and, unlike Chavez, is not eager to cooperate with us ... more and more he is looking at China, including in the military sphere. Well, as a leader - just a laughing stock, this comrade is not denounced with respect (today, approximately 70% of the population of the republic do not take him seriously). Clown,
  19. Fiero
    Fiero April 8 2014 12: 12
    -1
    The Russian design bureau has provided technical documentation for the Yak-130

    And again, thanks a lot to Yak. Let the Herods burn in hell.
  20. twviewer
    twviewer April 8 2014 12: 38
    0
    Quote: Fiero

    And again, thanks a lot to Yak. Let the Herods burn in hell.

    It's funny you even understand that there would be no M346 and L15 - there would be no Yak130, and just Yak.
    Do you want someone to be burnt by all means, I have them .. that even Marked and Alkash is few? then choose ...
    1. Fiero
      Fiero April 8 2014 13: 17
      0
      There would be no Yak-130, there would be a MiG-AT
      The Italians received a trick for almost a planer with a trick, this is understandable, but what did they do so quick-eyed so that we would create one more competitor for ourselves?
      1. twviewer
        twviewer April 8 2014 13: 58
        0
        The prototype Yak-130 completed its first flight on April 25, 1996 under the control of test pilot Andrei Sinitsyn
        The development of the supersonic combat trainer L-15 was launched in the early 2000s, together with the Russian Yakovlev Design Bureau and the Ukrainian Progress ZMKB. The Russian design bureau provided technical documentation for the Yak-130 aircraft, while the Ukrainian design bureau delivered DV-2 engines for prototype testing.
        In 2004, the L-15 was first demonstrated at an air show in Zhuhai.
        In 2006, a prototype aircraft performed its first flight.
        more questions?
        PS you see my friend in an instant, so stop fooling around and get down to business :)
  21. RomanN
    RomanN April 8 2014 13: 03
    +4
    About the Chinese quality in the production of weapons and weapons, it is high time we should stop gurgling, ours is no better in quality, and we have been confused with their heels for a long time regarding the availability of electronics and its operability (precisely in the military sphere). modernization of equipment, we just have a misunderstanding under that name. The same goes for training the personnel of the army — I don’t know about the fleet, but I think it’s no worse, because their ships are very modern in every way. And as for the training, it’s only in The caravans protected by us and the Chinese near Somalia did not capture protected ships.
    It must be understood that at the Chinese pace of production development and the availability of any resources, we lagged behind them, the feeling that it is at the level of Africa, and forget about catching up with and overtaking with the current administrative resource.
  22. nvn_co
    nvn_co April 8 2014 14: 21
    +1
    China's products can be both good and bad. The trouble is not in this, but the trouble is that, as a rule, they do not bring it to the end. At the end of development or revision, they still run either to one or the other and ask for help. The fact that Venezuela decided to buy the L-15 is her decision ... Is it justified by what? How did they justify the choice? Everything in this story is somehow veiled and flooded with water. It seems that this is not an order, but simply an “agreement of intent” ...
  23. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 8 2014 15: 04
    +2
    In one Soviet-made film on a "foreign" theme, a character said: "... banana cakes were served to the table. Some will rush to declare: banana cakes were served — what disgusting, the whole world is outraged! Others — banana cakes — what a joy, everyone is jubilant! "But the fact is the fact: banana cakes were served to the table! You can discuss the fact of China's sale of the L-15 in any way, but China has once again won. If we evaluate the situation in recent years, then the question arises: is it not often Russian weapons (or maybe and not only weapons) turns out to be unclaimed (loses)? Well, let's continue to rejoice at the next "latest" modification of the weapon of the past generation, but until what time? Until the time when the "Papuans" stop buying? You can still "find fault" with the quality of Chinese products, but if we reasonably talk China for Over the past 15 years, he has made a huge leap forward in the production of complex technical products, constantly improving their quality. Yes, many small firms produce "garbage", but large companies (and their number is growing) operate at the "level of world standards." Practically, the company is known all over the world VVK, name at least one Russian company of the same level?
  24. Signaller
    Signaller April 8 2014 18: 02
    0
    As "Balda" would say when giving Shelban POPU- “Wouldn't you POP chasing cheapness.” Well, they apparently want to get Shelban. Well, they want, so we need to make way and give them free rein. Well this is not fatal. ??? Our "friends" will sell the goods to our "friends" as well. For God's sake........
  25. Signaller
    Signaller April 8 2014 18: 08
    0
    Yes, I wonder how everything will turn out now. The engines are produced by Motor Sich AI-222-25F. And there are two of them. Apparently all this will break off for Venezuela.
  26. Cristall
    Cristall April 8 2014 18: 59
    0
    Why are you hooked to the MS? The company is very good and knows its business.
    In addition, they made the engine of the Chinese supersonic. By the way, they received a similar task on Yak. Is MS delivering bad products? In my opinion they still have a guest of the USSR + license.
    Kiev, of course, is a disaster ... But MS is a very executive contractor. In addition, the option has probably already been fulfilled - most likely the MC will in any case have time to ship the engines to everyone, as the "Sea" managed with the Bison.