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“We appeal to Putin, only in Russia we see protection”

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Southeast Ukraine boiled over. Residents of freedom-loving cities (or separatist-minded, in the opinion of the so-called government in Kiev) have finally decided on their future. This definition was made from the very real "bottom", and not from the "top" - that is, it was truly popular. Of course, Kiev did not recognize this will.


“We appeal to Putin, only in Russia we see protection”


In the evening of April 7, following Donetsk, the creation of a people's republic of Kharkiv was announced. Began popular performances in other cities. As the Russian press notes, in Nikolaev, supporters of federalization clashed with the militants of “euromaidan” who opened fire.

The people's beginning to the republican processes in Ukraine was laid by the inhabitants of the glorious Donetsk. On April 6, demonstrators occupied the regional administration building in the city. The activists created the Donetsk Republican People’s Council, which immediately adopted the Act of State Independence of the Donetsk People’s Republic, which stated: “The Donetsk People’s Republic is being created within the administrative boundaries of the Donetsk region. The decision on this comes into force immediately after the referendum. ”

The Council decided that a referendum on the status of a People’s Republic would be held no later than 11 in May. Thus, in a month or even earlier, the citizens of the republic will express their will. And do not go to the grandmother to guess how they vote.

Volodymyr Skachko on the Ukrainian resource "Versions.com" Commented on Donetsk events as a well-thought strategic move:

“All this is a reaction to the fact that Donetsk region proclaimed itself the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and completely confused all the cards to the“ fighters with separatists ”both in Kiev and in Brussels, Berlin and Washington, because Russia had withdrawn from the attack and accusations . The DPR proclaimed sovereignty, but did not ask for membership in Russia. From the neighboring state she needs only help. Moral, political, diplomatic and military. What the Pitmen have asked about and wrote in a special letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin in writing and orally.

And this is the main difference from what happened in the Crimea. And only because of this, “the departure of Donetsk” and the formation of an independent DPR can become what is called a model project for the entire southeast of Ukraine ... ”


How is the channel NTV With reference to ITAR-TASS, the Council of the Donetsk People's Republic appealed to Vladimir Putin with a request to introduce a temporary peacekeeping contingent in the region.

In another report NTV quotes the words of one activist who came to the square to people and announced that “Donetsk Republic will build relations in accordance with international law and on the basis of equality and mutual benefit, the territory within the recognized borders is indivisible and inviolable.” Protesters began to chant in response: "Russia!"

The channel quotes from the statement of the deputies: “The people of the Donetsk People’s Republic have the exclusive right to own land, its subsoil, airspace, water and other natural resources located within the territory of the republic. The Republic independently determines its economic status, conducts financial, credit and investment policies, forms its state budget, establishes the procedure for the formation of monetary and other funds. The Republic has the right to prohibit the construction and cease operation of any enterprises and institutions, as well as other objects that pose a threat to environmental safety. The declaration is valid from the moment of adoption and is the main one for the adoption of the Constitution of the Donetsk People's Republic.

In Donetsk, they confirmed that in the case of a forceful resolution of the conflict by Kiev, the republic would ask for help from Russia. Donetsk politicians said: “All these months, residents of Donbass have tried to protest. We appeal to Putin, only in Russia we see protection. ”

Earlier, more 5 March, portal "Ura.ru" reported that the population of Donetsk sends delegates (two representatives from the militia) to the Kremlin with a letter. The letter says that the population of Donetsk is asking the Russian president to intervene in the situation and to protect the residents of the city from the "Kiev-fascist junta."

For Donetsk, his word and freedom-loving Kharkov. The activists who gathered last night in the lobby of the regional administration building (the police did not let them in), held a “meeting of the regional community”, where they expressed no confidence in the deputies of the Kharkiv Regional Council and appointed persons acting as deputies. The sovereign Kharkiv People's Republic was proclaimed, which intends to build relations with other states in accordance with international law. As in Donetsk, a regional referendum is scheduled here. The date he will be appointed today.

Following the example of Donetsk, Kharkiv activists decided to appeal to the Russian government with a request to ensure the peaceful holding of a referendum and generally act as mediators. At the same time, the appeal will be sent to the name of Yanukovych: as a legitimate president, he will have to give legitimacy to the people's will and approve the resolutions adopted.

Kiev "and. O. "responded to the will of the south-eastern regions of the creation of the anti-crisis headquarters.

Completely this new structure is magnificently referred to as the “Anti-crisis headquarters for counteracting the escalation of separatism in the three eastern regions of the republic: Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov”. At least, so long called her press service of the Verkhovna Rada, quoting Oleksandr Turchynov. The latter, in an address to the nation of April 7, said: “The enemies of Ukraine are trying to play the“ Crimean scenario ”, but we will not allow this.”

According to Turchinov, who leads Taras Burnos ("Voice of America"), against those "who took in hand weapon", Will be held" anti-terrorism measures. " Turchinov also noted "the passive behavior of some structures of local law enforcement agencies," which he promised to equip "at the expense of units from other regions."

In parallel and. about. promised to tighten legislation. According to him, one of the first issues put on the agenda of the Verkhovna Rada 8 of April will be “a law to strengthen criminal responsibility for separatism and other crimes against the state.”

At the place already sent messengers. Turchinov said: “To coordinate the activities of the security forces, we sent Interior Minister Arsen Avakov to Kharkov, First Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarem in Donetsk, Security Council Secretary Andrei Parubiy and Security Council Chairman Valentyn Nalyvaichenko in Lugansk.”

Voice of America provides the following information.

“Donetsk separatists act exactly according to the plan sent from Moscow,” Dmitry Tymchuk, head of the Center for Military-Political Studies, wrote on Facebook. “Only a couple of hours ago we reported on the opening of the Kremlin to create a“ Donetsk Republic ”, as in Donetsk from the stage set on the steps of the Donetsk Regional State Administration, the creation of an“ independent Donetsk Republic ”was announced.

On the Ukrainian satellite television channel Espresso.TV, it was reported that "organizing the riots, in particular, for the attacks on the Security Service in Lugansk, the separatists were paid five hundred dollars, and the Yanukovich family finances these riots from Moscow."

In short, "old songs about the main thing."

Of course, there was a formal reaction of the Kremlin. As transmits ITAR-TASS, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, in a telephone conversation with Acting Foreign Minister of Ukraine Andrei Deshchitsa, called on the current authorities in Kiev to take urgent measures to organize a national dialogue involving all political forces and regions of Ukraine. “Lavrov reaffirmed the position of Russia on ways of overcoming the internal political crisis in Ukraine,” the Russian Foreign Ministry noted. “He urged the current authorities in Kiev to take urgent measures to organize a national dialogue with the participation of all political forces and regions of Ukraine, to conduct a deep constitutional reform taking into account their interests, expressing Russia's readiness to support this process together with the European Union and the United States.”

The conversation of the foreign ministers from the Russian side also "stressed the need for respectful attitude to the aspirations of the residents of southeast Ukraine, to prevent attempts to respond forcefully to the legal requirements in terms of ensuring their linguistic, cultural and socio-economic rights."

As for the so-called “reaction of the world community,” it was quite predictable. The West is in complete confusion. One ridiculous statement follows another. Neither Western Europe nor the United States has a clue what to do. And therefore, apparently, nothing will be done. Not "for" Ukraine, or "against" Russia. The West can only contemplate ...

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, whose opinion приводит Dmitry Gordon, said in an interview with the German newspaper Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger, that the European Union is not ready now to accept Ukraine into its community:

“Ukraine is not ready for this either today or in the near future. Just as the EU is not ready to accept a country like Ukraine. ”


At the same time, Barroso confirmed the EU’s desire to support Ukraine on the road to democracy.

As the NTV With reference to Interfax, negotiations between Russia, the USA, the EU and the current authorities in Kiev can take place in the next 10 days. This was stated by the head of the State Department press service Jen Psaki. According to her, such an opportunity was discussed by 7 in April by telephone by US Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

As noted by the TV channel "RT" with reference to Interfax, in its assessments of the situation in Ukraine, the United States uses reports from the Ukrainian authorities, rather than independent sources. D. Psaki also stated this, giving this a proper explanation: “Of course, we maintain close contacts with the Ukrainian government, and, of course, we work closely with him. They are on the scene, so it is their information that is often reliable and timely. ”

Psaki further stated that the events in the east of Ukraine were initiated by Russia: “It is well known that those who speak in these different regions of eastern Ukraine are pro-Russian separatists. There are fairly well-established assumptions that some of these speakers are paid and they are not locals. All this causes us serious concern. ”

However, psaki stressed that the United States does not provide for military measures in connection with the situation in Ukraine.

Earlier, on the situation in Ukraine, the famous White House mouthpiece Jay Carney spoke. “We saw groups of pro-Russian protesters seizing government buildings in Kharkov, Donetsk and Lugansk. We have good reason to believe that some demonstrators were paid, and they are not local residents, ”he said.

“If Russia moves to the eastern part of Ukraine, openly or secretly, it will be a very serious escalation,” said Carney.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation issued a statement in which he demanded to stop unfounded accusations against Russia: “Enough to nod to Russia, accusing it of all the troubles of today's Ukraine. The Ukrainian people want to hear from Kiev a clear answer to all questions. It's time to listen to these legal requirements. ”

Thus, the reaction of Kiev and the West to recent events is in many ways similar. The freedom-loving citizens of the south-east of Ukraine are referred to in Kiev indirectly or directly as terrorists and separatists, whether paid by Yanukovych from his savings, or by Putin himself from his bottomless pocket. The will of citizens is recognized illegal, and different “and. Fr. ”are preparing to bring the rebels to the harsh responsibility, for which they intend to tighten the Ukrainian criminal legislation. The US Department of State, in turn, believes that "some of these speakers are paid, and they are not local residents." America nevertheless refused to fight with the Russian destabilizers, while European Commissioner J. Barroso said that Ukraine was not ready to join the EU, the EU was not ready to accept it, but Brussels wanted to support Ukraine on the road to democracy. Summary: The West does not know what to do. The West has no plan. Therefore, negotiations with Moscow will take place not immediately, but in ten days. The white house needs to think ...

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  1. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU April 8 2014 10: 57
    +47
    The West does not know what to do. The West has no plan.

    It is encouraging.
    1. lukke
      lukke April 8 2014 11: 09
      +24
      The West does not know what to do. The West has no plan
      in my opinion no one has a plan. The position of Russia is the federalization of Ukraine. Kiev centralizes it. Ordinary citizens suffer. Deadlock breeding crisis.
      1. nizrum
        nizrum April 8 2014 11: 30
        +33
        There was a plan. Only he covered himself when the Crimea left)) (not without the help of Moscow, of course)) And Russia, as I understand it, is acting according to plan, it has long been clear that there will be a pro-Russian republic in the southeast.

        Yes, even if not, the Russians have always been known for their improvisations request
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov April 8 2014 11: 54
          +32
          Attention!!!!!!!!!!!

          In the east of Ukraine, a provocation is being prepared - the shooting of the police and the National Guard, formed from the right-wing ukronacists in order to blame Russia and the anti-Bandera, anti-oligarchic forces for this.

          I ask for the maximum repost for all resources available to everyone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


          1. nizrum
            nizrum April 8 2014 12: 05
            +11
            Well, who would doubt it ...

            As they say: the first time is randomness, the second is coincidence, the third regularity.

            "In any unclear situation, hire snipers!"

            In short, there are no words, only emotions.
            But if snipers appear, I'm afraid it will be the last straw.
            1. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov April 8 2014 12: 20
              +9
              For whom?

              They will shoot at their own, those who are on the side of the junta and follow its orders.

              And then they will announce that snipers from Russia and the crowd in Ukraine will believe !!!!
              1. nizrum
                nizrum April 8 2014 12: 32
                +4
                For Russia, for the EU, for doubting Ukrainians !!! Only a fool does not understand that this is a provocation, and whose ears stick out for it.
                Maidan, a provocation in the Crimea (which Russia is in no way profitable in any way) ... God forbid Donetsk, all this points in one direction - somewhere overseas ...
                1. montemor
                  montemor April 8 2014 19: 40
                  +1
                  the problem is that in Ukraine a large number of sincerely doubting people
              2. Anisim1977
                Anisim1977 April 8 2014 12: 53
                0
                But what difference does it make that the junta says there is less of a fascist, and that’s good !!!! Someone looks at you, and your beloved will take a shotgun. am
              3. poccinin
                poccinin April 8 2014 15: 16
                +5
                so it was in Latvia when they took the TV center, shoved people in the backs and accused "alpha"
                1. skeptic
                  skeptic April 8 2014 16: 43
                  +5
                  Quote: poccinin
                  so it was in Latvia when they took the TV center, shoved people in the backs and accused "alpha"


                  So now it will be, regardless of nothing, in vain they sewed a uniform (such as a Russian one). In any case - a lie, the main, distinctive feature of this separatist pack paid for by the amers.

                  No one, like on the Maidan, will be interested in the fact that the Amer mercenaries fired, THE MAIN THING IS THE "RUSSIAN" FORM. And it doesn’t matter that there aren’t our soldiers, who will stick in the West?

                  There is only one way out - to soak them and put their faces on the Internet and documents. The only way...
              4. machete
                machete April 8 2014 16: 36
                +2
                if you don’t believe, why did you decide that the others will believe?
              5. lg41
                lg41 April 9 2014 06: 24
                0
                There is an information war. You can not go on about the United States and retreat in front of them. They are hard on their line. Only active confrontation is the path to victory.
              6. cuckoo's
                cuckoo's April 9 2014 19: 14
                0
                May very well be
            2. 120352
              120352 April 8 2014 14: 31
              +8
              This is another provocation. Snipers may appear. But these will not be our snipers, but approximately those that have already been noted on the Maidan. So the scenario is the same. And the goal is to blame everything on us.
          2. zanoza
            zanoza April 8 2014 12: 37
            +3
            Add oil to the fire; Add fuel to the fire Razg. aggravate relations by any actions, deeds, aggravate any moods, feelings (often negative).
            This is what the Kiev junta does at the behest of Washington.
            They just got stuck on this. And Europe strokes the head of these ghouls.
          3. Anisim1977
            Anisim1977 April 8 2014 12: 51
            -3
            Whoever really starts to shoot the right-wingers and Tana niggas is good, it will let down an avalanche of popular anger. The main thing is to take the first step. stop
            1. skeptic
              skeptic April 8 2014 16: 55
              +5
              Quote: Anisim1977
              The main thing is to take the first step.


              In, in! It is the rivers of blood that the West needs to roll into Ukraine on the "white horse of a peacemaker," as if to legally seize the territory.

              And what to do, Russia is not being conducted. Not by washing, by rolling, by the ears, but they SHOULD make us an "EMPIRE OF EVIL". The only way, away from the United States, is to spin the dump so that we can launch our economy through military supplies.
            2. Demo
              Demo April 8 2014 18: 12
              +1
              okay, pravoseki, and Ukrainian blacks what prevented you from doing so?
            3. lg41
              lg41 April 9 2014 06: 31
              0
              analysis result - ANISIM 1977 - a staff member of the United States
          4. GradusHuK
            GradusHuK April 8 2014 17: 27
            +2
            In a war as in a war. Took up the fight to be ready to die.
          5. Dilshat
            Dilshat April 8 2014 20: 00
            +2
            Regarding the repost, Putin said: If blood is shed, we will introduce troops.
          6. 1 Alexander 1
            1 Alexander 1 April 8 2014 20: 53
            0
            FURTHER WEEKS THREE BACK, THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT IN UKRAINE THE RUSSIAN MILITARY SERVICES HAVE HASTELY BEEN SITTING HAPPY. NOW CLEAR EVERYTHING BECOMES THAT THEY ARE CONFUSED THERE!
            1. asv96
              asv96 April 9 2014 08: 20
              0
              Quote: 1 Alexander 1
              FURTHER WEEKS THREE BACK, THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT IN UKRAINE THE RUSSIAN MILITARY SERVICES HAVE HASTELY BEEN SITTING HAPPY. NOW CLEAR EVERYTHING BECOMES THAT THEY ARE CONFUSED THERE!

              By the way, two weeks ago, in the Urals, in Eka, someone from the wholesale base bought up all the khaki fabric; it is usually used on a robe, very dense, but it looks like a mess in color. "
              1. surovyi kot
                surovyi kot April 10 2014 11: 16
                0
                Shhhh !!! We are the ones who dress the Ukrainian servicemen in advance in our uniform so that we don’t sweat it later! :)
            2. surovyi kot
              surovyi kot April 10 2014 11: 14
              0
              Get ready to join the ranks of "Invincible and Legendary"! ;)
        2. nahalenok911
          nahalenok911 April 8 2014 14: 58
          +4
          "nizrum RU Today, 11:30 ↑ New
          Even if not, Russians have always been known for their improvisations. "

          And savvy! When this word is translated into the "European" language, maybe they will understand the essence. And there plans will appear ... Just wait, I think, DOOOOOLGO will have to.
        3. poccinin
          poccinin April 8 2014 15: 13
          -3
          already dismissed the Donetsk Republic. people are sleeping. cities are millionaires and thousands protest not even a dozen.
          1. Rest
            Rest April 8 2014 16: 05
            0
            I talked with ordinary Donetsk residents (business clients). They are shocked. These stupid people shouting "Russia" began to cut off the gas to the people. They do not know their way around in Donetsk, the addresses are confused. There are a lot of drunkards.
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    3. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 8 2014 11: 19
      +6
      How many feet can we wipe about us, when our oligarchs and politicians stop bending their backs to the sixes of the United States, so do not lose public support for long
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 8 2014 11: 44
        +1
        Is this what it is?
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 April 8 2014 12: 04
          +5
          I don’t understand at all: Putin, Putin, so what can I turn to him? Well, what can he (Russia) do?
          Well, do not enter the troops?
          Or am I stupid and don’t understand something?
          1. avt
            avt April 8 2014 13: 28
            +20
            Quote: mirag2
            I don’t understand at all: Putin, Putin, so what can I turn to him? Well, what can he (Russia) do?

            They can do a lot and will do a lot, moreover, without the introduction of troops, which will be regarded and voiced as an act of direct, unmotivated aggression against a sovereign state, which is exactly what it is. If in Donetsk and Luhansk people REALLY took up arms and are ready to ORGANIZED defend their rights to free expression of will, I am convinced that the GDP will provide assistance no worse than that which the amer is now carrying out in Ukraine with their agents and PMCs. Fortunately, there are people and resources. Even more - when the administrative and economic bodies are taken under control, he will be able to provide, within the framework of preventing a humanitarian catastrophe, quite legitimate economic support for himself. For a moment - the RF Ministry of Defense officially announced today the permission of the Government, within the framework of the Ministry of Emergencies, to provide the available equipment precisely for solving humanitarian problems - it will definitely mean transport. So, as I wrote for a long time and more than once, only for the organization on the ground, so let in addition to the control of buildings create a People's Emergency Control to combat sabotage and banditry, take all administrative, economic and security agencies in the region under the most severe control, block, agitate , and where they can - disarm units of the Ministry of Defense and border troops and of course the anti-terrorist war with mercenaries. And leave the spells about polite people for later, especially since there is definitely someone in civilian clothes. Leave the question of bringing in regular troops to Lavrov. Given the appropriate and prepared situation, the GDP will not miss a chance. It will be hard and difficult to work on the ground, with a risk to life, this must be understood clearly and not be hysterical on the Internet - "where is Putin, they sold everyone, they pissed away everything." and the base has been prepared, there will be no convulsive, official entry of Russian troops, but an effective special operation to provide effective assistance to those who actually carry out resistance can be quite successfully carried out.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 April 8 2014 13: 55
              +10
              Damn, what kind of aggression? If Yanuk has long been asking for help from the troops. If activists in the southeast ask for peacekeeping forces.
              I understand that the Amers do not care. But on what basis did they bomb Yugoslavia, smash Iraq and Libya? Why do we have to give someone an account, why did we send troops somewhere?
              1. avt
                avt April 8 2014 14: 04
                +7
                Quote: alicante11
                Why do we have to give someone an account, why did we send troops somewhere?

                Because Russia is not the USSR.
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 April 8 2014 15: 03
                  0
                  And what is the fundamental difference from the foreign policy point of view?
                  1. avt
                    avt April 8 2014 15: 42
                    +4
                    Quote: alicante11
                    And what is the fundamental difference from the foreign policy point of view?

                    You seriously do not see the difference! ?? request Trouble! Well, try to think about the fact that the US on the "turn over the Atlantic" just scored and calmly bombed Serbia exactly as much as they wanted, as well as on the subsequent dashing "Throw on Pristina" did not give anything for the fate of the Serbs in Kosovo and preventing the same time through Hungary and Romania of the EMERCOM convoy under the pretext of having an armored KAMAZ and think - would this be possible in the time of Gromyko.
                2. nahalenok911
                  nahalenok911 April 8 2014 15: 12
                  +3
                  That's not why. And because we all believe that the power is in the truth! And the truth now is that Russia cannot be like the United States and the EU in their policies and "moral values."
                3. polite people
                  polite people April 8 2014 18: 42
                  0
                  The guys on the verge of CZECH REPUBLIC 21 August 1968 year.
                  Now we are better prepared.
                  Then everyone shut their mouths and now shut up.
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                5. I do not care
                  I do not care April 8 2014 21: 02
                  0
                  Quote: avt
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Why do we have to give someone an account, why did we send troops somewhere?

                  Because Russia is not the USSR.

                  unfortunately ..
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac April 9 2014 11: 43
                    0
                    Quote: me by
                    unfortunately ..

                    That's right, Russia is not the USSR, Russia is better.
                6. I do not care
                  I do not care April 8 2014 21: 28
                  +4
                  REPOST !!! This is what a woman from Russia wrote to me yesterday, I think she is very right. Expensive! And the insurgent Donbass understands who SHOULD ask for help? After all, Aksyonov himself proposed it. And more than once! Why? If Russia now starts supporting with its military equipment, it will be regarded by the world community as an invasion of another country ... And the beginning of World War III ... At the same time, if help comes from Crimea, which the EU and America consider Ukraine. how to object? Everything is "within the framework of one state." This must first be recognized by ALL Crimea as part of Russia, to recognize. that there was no annexation, etc., and then only an official pretext will appear to accuse Russia. And help from Crimea can be endless ... Like a magician's ribbon ... Good luck, my dear ones! God bless you!
              2. Docent1984
                Docent1984 April 8 2014 15: 34
                +6
                To do this, Yanuca's ass should not be in Rostov, but in Donetsk, and from there broadcast about the "delights" of fascism and prayed for military assistance. Then, in general, everyone can be safely sent in three huge letters))) Perhaps it will be so in a few days. Or hours)
                1. Azat Babai
                  Azat Babai April 8 2014 18: 23
                  0
                  Yes, it's time. And then they shoot the Kiev junta guys.
                  1. GROOZD
                    GROOZD April 8 2014 23: 30
                    0
                    disappear without music!
                2. smart Fox
                  smart Fox April 8 2014 21: 36
                  -1
                  But this is a thought. Let Yanukovych go to the rebel regions and, as a legitimate president, lead the resistance. Let him then legally pay his fighters, fight for federalization, for democratization, and what else is needed for it? How much can you hide behind the back of Russia. Let them do something themselves
            2. Pioneer Tanya
              Pioneer Tanya April 8 2014 21: 36
              0
              Yes, most likely you will not come up from the floundering bay, and really, hysteria is not worth it publicly. Everything must be legally verified. Now, not weak minds of Russia, pros, are fighting over this task.
            3. Pioneer Tanya
              Pioneer Tanya April 8 2014 21: 36
              +1
              Yes, most likely you will not come up from the floundering bay, and really, hysteria is not worth it publicly. Everything must be legally verified. Now, not weak minds of Russia, pros, are fighting over this task.
          2. smart Fox
            smart Fox April 8 2014 21: 32
            +1
            So I don’t understand Putin alone in the world. Let him turn to Lukashenka, he is also a Slav brother. And so, Putin is to blame for everything in the world. Will send troops, and then what? To put the floor of Ukraine, since we are not Americans, such an action plan does not suit us.
            1. lg41
              lg41 April 9 2014 06: 42
              0
              Right-wing militants, etc. really up to three thousand. The rest are untrained creatures. Some of them with weapons in their hands. With a foolish head.
          3. surovyi kot
            surovyi kot April 10 2014 11: 19
            0
            I would work in the SVR or GRU, I would definitely understand everything. ;)
      2. aktanir
        aktanir April 8 2014 11: 47
        +10
        Now the main thing is not to give vent to emotions, only pragmatism and the desire to pursue their own interests, which, thank God, is inherent in our politicians. It is very dangerous and fraught to infiltrate the territory of Ukraine. After all, this is not the Crimea. It is no coincidence that the Americans wreaked havoc here; larger fish are now caught in this muddy water. If we get involved and arrange a massacre with brothers, then for the Yankees it will be a real gift. With their theory of controlled chaos, this is quite compatible. We may well limit ourselves to other support for Ukrainians from eastern Ukraine. Give them weapons, money, information about this, so that they can independently achieve their desired goals and separate from Bandera.
    4. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... April 8 2014 11: 58
      +7
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      The West does not know what to do. The West has no plan.


      And we will stun with our "improvisation" ...
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 8 2014 13: 03
      +6
      The National Guard came to Mariupol.

      1. smile
        smile April 8 2014 17: 20
        +2
        Lord of the Sith
        Zavvvval .... It seems that the level of self-consciousness of the Ukrainian national guards can be measured with an alcohol meter .... :)))
    6. Ross
      Ross April 8 2014 13: 08
      +7
      As soon as the junta recognizes federalization, that's all! The entire 23-year project of the state Ukrov flies to everyone .... They also made a national revolution !!! These "separatists" are just a diaspora. When will the Kharkovites and all the Russians of the South East understand that it is impossible to negotiate with the junta. They have no other program. It is necessary to go to the end otherwise, together with the West, the junta will crush them.
    7. skeptic
      skeptic April 8 2014 13: 11
      +4
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      The West does not know what to do. The West has no plan.

      It is encouraging.


      Well, it's you in vain. They need to compromise Russia and the southeast liberation movement.

      And the southeast needs to take, as a basis, the methodology of the West itself.
      Citizens of Ukraine begin the liberation movement from the paid (USA-officially invested at least 5 billion dollars in aggression) separatists who carried out an armed seizure of power in a sovereign state. In this regard, any actions of the separatists, especially with the use of weapons, are contrary to the UN rules. Representatives of the legitimate authorities who did not enter into a conspiracy with the usurpers should unite and go to the UN. With a request for international protection (except for countries that supported the armed, separatist aggression of pro-American gangs of a nationalist nature) from a gangster seizure of power in a sovereign state. Since the separatists attracted foreign, private, armed groups, as well as elements that came to the side of the separatists from law enforcement agencies, the gangster's outrage threatens the population of the south-eastern part of Ukraine. This immediate threat gives the right to the legally elected president or his representatives to attract private armies from other countries for protection, and after making decisions at the UN, if necessary, to introduce peacekeepers from border countries.

      The faster such decisions are made, the fewer human casualties the people of Ukraine will suffer.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 8 2014 22: 35
        0
        Quote: skeptic
        Well, it's you in vain. They need to compromise Russia and the southeast liberation movement.

        And the southeast needs to take, as a basis, the methodology of the West itself.
        Citizens of Ukraine begin the liberation movement from the paid (USA-officially invested at least 5 billion dollars in aggression) separatists who carried out an armed seizure of power in a sovereign state. In this regard, any actions of the separatists, especially with the use of weapons, are contrary to the UN rules. Representatives of the legitimate authorities who did not enter into a conspiracy with the usurpers should unite and go to the UN. With a request for international protection (except for countries that supported the armed, separatist aggression of pro-American gangs of a nationalist nature) from a gangster seizure of power in a sovereign state. Since the separatists attracted foreign, private, armed groups, as well as elements that came to the side of the separatists from law enforcement agencies, the gangster's outrage threatens the population of the south-eastern part of Ukraine. This immediate threat gives the right to the legally elected president or his representatives to attract private armies from other countries for protection, and after making decisions at the UN, if necessary, to introduce peacekeepers from border countries.

        The faster such decisions are made, the fewer human casualties the people of Ukraine will suffer.


        They invested 5 billion over the past 3 months, and how much they invested in 23 years, God alone knows!
    8. mirag2
      mirag2 April 8 2014 15: 28
      +3
      Maybe someone is interested: stream radio Kharkov-anti-Maidan, skype, here:

      http://anti-maidan.com/
      anti-maidan map:
      http://www.mindomo.com/mindmap/anti-maidancom-d4728db91f6846e88f91a4b51306a42c
    9. Cherdak
      Cherdak April 8 2014 19: 46
      +7
      Quote: U
      The south-east of Ukraine began to boil.
    10. poplar
      poplar April 8 2014 19: 48
      0
      In Kharkov, at factory number 420,
      at 8 am a team of "wild geese" was dropped off. On the territory of LIS, the mercenaries were dressed in the form of "Falcon" and left in an unknown direction.
    11. poplar
      poplar April 8 2014 19: 48
      0
      In Kharkov, at factory number 420,
      at 8 am a team of "wild geese" was dropped off. On the territory of LIS, the mercenaries were dressed in the form of "Falcon" and left in an unknown direction.
    12. Nick
      Nick April 8 2014 20: 34
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      The West does not know what to do. The West has no plan.

      It is encouraging.

      In my opinion, everything is much worse for the West. They had a plan, BUT everything went not according to plan ... But there was no need to dig another hole ... It seems that in the West they do not know this wise Russian proverb ...
    13. lg41
      lg41 April 9 2014 06: 17
      0
      the United States in October last year, opened its plans for the division of Ukraine into three parts. the end determined by the 20th of March. this script with a squeak is carried out. only the terms have already changed
  2. their
    their April 8 2014 11: 05
    +2
    Kazakhstani authorities risk making the mistake of the Ukrainian junta

    The punishment for separatism will be toughened in Kazakhstan For calls for illegal changes in the territorial integrity of Kazakhstan under the draft new Criminal Code, a sentence of up to 10 years in prison

    More details: http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/nakazanie-za-separatizm-ujestochat-v-kazahs
    tane-253259 / # comment_block
    Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to Tengrinews.kz
  3. Sergey7311
    Sergey7311 April 8 2014 11: 05
    +3
    To isolate ourselves from NATO and the EU with a buffer of a couple of "Ukrainians". Otherwise, the enemy will be on the border with us tomorrow. The correct decision to federalize the subjects of Ukraine.
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. April 8 2014 12: 23
      +3
      Why fenced off. Ukrainians are us.
  4. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 8 2014 11: 05
    +5
    The West does not know what to do. The West has no plan. Therefore, negotiations with Moscow will take place not immediately, but in ten days
    If only in 10 days the situation does not become critical and then Moscow will be forced to take all decisions unilaterally.
    1. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 8 2014 11: 21
      +14
      What 10 days, 1-2 days, and you need to start, then it will be too late, not in vain such dates were given, there is a catch
      1. jjj
        jjj April 8 2014 12: 21
        +1
        About 10 days Kerry spoke. So much time he planned for negotiations on the future structure of Ukraine
  5. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 8 2014 11: 06
    +12
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    The West has no plan.

    unfortunately, the southeast has plans for the problem too.
    besides statements and decorations there is nothing
  6. shark
    shark April 8 2014 11: 10
    +14
    The West knows what to do ... These ten days were taken to suppress the protest in Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk. Arrests are underway in Kharkov. A similar mess begins in Donetsk. The bulk of the inhabitants of these cities are silently watching ...
    1. yur
      yur April 8 2014 11: 29
      0
      Quote: shark
      The West knows what to do ... These ten days were taken to suppress the protest in Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk.
      The protesters of the junta tried to suppress several times, but it was not enough sense. Each time, the protests become more massive and productive, and as the economy collapses and the people become impoverished, the protests will lead to the collapse of the junta in Kiev. So time works more for us, not for the West.
      1. GradusHuK
        GradusHuK April 8 2014 17: 42
        0
        The strength of the action is equal to the strength of the reaction.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 8 2014 12: 05
      +2
      Quote: shark
      These ten days are taken to suppress the protest.


      AP: There are no grounds for introducing an emergency in the East of Ukraine

      There are no grounds for introducing a state of emergency in the eastern regions of Ukraine. This was stated by Acting Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration Andrei Senchenko.

      "Are there any grounds today to consider such an option at all - the introduction of a state of emergency in the East or South-East of our country? In my opinion, no," Senchenko said.

      In addition, Senchenko noted that in Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkov, where separatist actions were allowed, it is planned to carry out personnel changes in law enforcement agencies - the police, the prosecutor's office and the Security Service of Ukraine.

      Recall that on April 7, People's Deputy of Ukraine Mykola Rudkovsky registered in the Verkhovna Rada a draft resolution on the need to introduce a state of emergency in the Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov regions. In addition, on Tuesday, the Verkhovna Rada is going to strengthen the criminal liability for separatism.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-142889.html
      1. Niki
        Niki April 8 2014 12: 10
        +1
        Regarding the mopping-up operation in Kharkov - despite reports that the city center has been blocked for the anti-terror operation, media continue to publish reports that people gathered in front of the police cordon. A little, but still gathered. It’s strange.
      2. avt
        avt April 8 2014 13: 42
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        AP: There are no grounds for introducing an emergency in the East of Ukraine

        There are no grounds for introducing a state of emergency in the eastern regions of Ukraine. This was stated by Acting Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration Andrei Senchenko.

        "Are there any grounds today to consider such an option at all - the introduction of a state of emergency in the East or South-East of our country? In my opinion, no," Senchenko said.

        good That says a lot! They have no resource to suppress by force an organized, mass protest. They can only as before and as now in Kharkov small, unorganized groups of people with the help of such lackeys as Gepa with Dopa and outspoken accomplices like Kolomoisky, who is ready to pay these actions to Bandera. So, I will repeat, I will repeat, the thing is self-organization on the ground into a clear structure that will set no less clear and real tasks for achieving a specific goal and will organize people to achieve it, and there will be help in this situation.
        1. Niki
          Niki April 8 2014 13: 50
          +1
          My thoughts gnaw at something - it’s not just that the people ran away at the moment of the beginning of the power stripping. It would not be such that they noticed the statement of the cordon in time and decided to scatter in different directions to preserve the asset. ...

          Seized 70 people ?! Suppose, but where did the rest go?
          Also captured, but decided not to state their number?
          Or did they leave - break through the cordon and leave?
          1. nika407
            nika407 April 8 2014 15: 47
            +7
            Quote: Niki
            My thoughts gnaw at something - it’s not just that the people ran away at the moment of the beginning of the power stripping. It would not be such that they noticed the statement of the cordon in time and decided to scatter in different directions to preserve the asset. ...
        2. acute
          acute April 10 2014 14: 35
          0
          They still do not have enough strength, but within 10 days they will pull them up
  7. Muadipus
    Muadipus April 8 2014 11: 10
    +36
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 8 2014 11: 52
      +13
      it’s all beautiful and great poetry is great, but without a leader it’s all just patriotic poetry.
      already a day, as they announced the creation of a people's republic, and then what?
      where the creation of governing bodies, the very Crimea immediately began to create self-defense units, it was time to dock with Kharkov, Lugansk, to defend themselves together would be easier, until all the air shake.
      Kiev is now gathering strength and passing one by one, replanting the most active and the whole fuse will come to naught
      1. infinite silence ...
        infinite silence ... April 8 2014 12: 07
        +13
        Today in Donetsk, at night was Akhmetov.
        “I am ready to do everything and be with you. 300 thousand people work for me. It is necessary to sell products. If the assault goes, I’ll go there with you. I will suffer with you. But I want to appeal to the government and ask. They have a headquarters. I will ask for no assault. To delay time is also a victory. Who is ready to go with me so that we sit down, three to five people, and say that there should be no assault? Who will be? Choose - and let's go »

        Akhmetov has authority in the East. People working with him, with his name, fall asleep and wake up. He keeps his business well. Salaries and social benefits are worthy ... But ... 300 thousand is not Donbass ...
        But I do not think that negotiations with Kiev are generally possible now.

        Just, at a meeting of BP from the rostrum, actually kicked Simonenko ... a fight has begun. I do not have warm feelings for him, but he told the TRUTH! Fair! It was even strange to hear ... And about the seizure of state institutions (aren't you gentlemen, have you set an example?) And about the seizure of weapons (isn’t your PS still roaming gangs around Ukraine with stolen weapons?) ... even respect it I wanted to ...
        1. bistrov.
          bistrov. April 8 2014 12: 39
          +7
          Quote: infinite silence ...
          I even wanted to respect him.

          I do not approve that the Communist Party of Ukraine initially from February 22 did not leave BP, but began some kind of cooperation with the illegal junta. It was necessary to publicly distance themselves from the conspirators, all the same, BP of this composition has no future and there will soon be re-elections. Also, in vain did Simonenko run for president, he does not understand that the upcoming elections are nothing more than a farce and are specially conceived to legitimize the Bandera-Fascist authorities. It was necessary to be in the ranks of the Russian peaceful protests of the East and South and try to head it. And so, the Communists disappointed me, they lost a lot from their cooperation with the Kiev authorities. The people understand this and the Communists will never rise again unless they lead the movement of the East and the South.
          1. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... April 8 2014 13: 06
            +1
            Simonenko nominated for president

            His desire is clear. Normally. Sell ​​more expensive voices, do not fall off the trough ...
            1. acute
              acute April 10 2014 14: 52
              0
              So you say Simonenko is bad. And who is your good one? Party of Regions? fled like prostitutes and fled to other factions. The Communists at least tell the truth. and the rest shut up. The Duma is the official platform and you do not want to, but what the world knows is happening there, here the Communists use this channel. In Ukraine, there is no longer a party closer to the people
        2. nahalenok911
          nahalenok911 April 8 2014 15: 38
          0
          Yes, just a fried smell.
  8. Alyoha
    Alyoha April 8 2014 11: 15
    +54
    Drive these zapadentsev to Poland.
    1. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 April 8 2014 12: 56
      +7
      and all debts to roosters leave- hai proud of what they .... am
    2. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY April 8 2014 16: 34
      +6
      Quote: Alyoha
      Drive these zapadentsev to Poland.

      Why to Poland, to Poland to drive them What would not be one thing in Ukraine left!
    3. old man 72
      old man 72 April 8 2014 21: 38
      0
      Alyoha, why do we need to keep such an adder on the border? Just leave those who agree with us, and not those who agree to the deep mines of Donbass, for re-education, and if only they don’t fulfill the production rate, leave them hungry. And if they are left in this adder, they will constantly spoil us. That Poland, the Baltic States are not enough for us, and GayEurope itself.
    4. old man 72
      old man 72 April 8 2014 21: 38
      0
      Alyoha, why do we need to keep such an adder on the border? Just leave those who agree with us, and not those who agree to the deep mines of Donbass, for re-education, and if only they don’t fulfill the production rate, leave them hungry. And if they are left in this adder, they will constantly spoil us. That Poland, the Baltic States are not enough for us, and GayEurope itself.
  9. Thompson
    Thompson April 8 2014 11: 15
    +19
    Everything would be fine, BUT- why in the southeast the new authorities are able to suppress resistance and arrest activists, and during the Maidan, law enforcement officers were afraid to even make a sound? Apparently again, they are not squeezing the southeast, they want to do everything with little blood. Alas, the moment is different! And only having risen in a single line, EVERYTHING and IMMEDIATELY, having suppressed all structures of power and security officials, will they achieve their goal, otherwise they will crush everyone one by one!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 8 2014 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: Thompson
      BUT- why in the southeast the new authorities are able to suppress resistance and arrest activists, and during the Maidan, law enforcement officers were afraid to even utter a hoot?


      Because even deputies cannot understand each other! Those who are telling the truth are gagged physically. And who is now acting in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, SBU, etc.? That's why this is the deal !!!

      In Rada deputies fought
      In the Verkhovna Rada there was a fight between communists and Svoboda. This was reported by the polemic correspondent.

      During a speech from the rostrum, the leader of the Communist Party of Ukraine, Petro Symonenko, said that the activists of the Right Sector and the Maidan Self-Defense, who "robbed military units and walked around Kiev with weapons," showed an example of actions to the current invaders of state buildings in eastern Ukraine. After that, the people's deputies from "Freedom" and the communists began to run up to the tribune, a fight broke out near the tribune.
      After that, BP speaker Alexander Turchinov announced a break of 10 minutes.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-142902.html
    2. Niki
      Niki April 8 2014 14: 01
      +1
      And almost everyone showed loyalty to the Maidan.
      And each loyal to the Maidan had reasons for this: from receiving money for this loyalty, to threats of reprisal, or threats to relatives.

      In these cities, locals are also completely loyal. For dispersal and suppression use specially brought bandrelogs: from the appointment to key posts, until the arrival of all sorts of different jaguars of Vinnitsa.
    3. SAVA555.IVANOV
      SAVA555.IVANOV April 8 2014 14: 58
      +3
      I have been saying for years that they are corrupt, these security forces by nature, the same thing will happen and in Russia a little later, they will agree and they will not sell if they are flooded under any power, well, we’ll disconnect (southeast) and the security forces, with a few exceptions, will remain the same ones obeyed the Kiev rowdy and as the situation showed they can’t cope with their duties disgusting to look at them.
      1. acute
        acute April 10 2014 14: 58
        0
        I understand that I am saying vulgarity, but nevertheless, the first thing the Protestants need to work with the security forces and attract them to their side. No matter how it sounds
  10. Gvozdovsky
    Gvozdovsky April 8 2014 11: 15
    +21
    There is no need to be hopeful .... all this Kiev "public" has its own strategy: now, as quietly as possible, crush the protest movement in the South-Eastern regions, and then - HANG. I think the people's leaders captured by the SBU-shniks and mercenaries are most likely dead ... And if they are alive, then they will certainly be "broken" in the dungeons of the SBU-shny "specialists". If people do not defend their right to a free life with arms in hand, they will be overfished one at a time. Dombas miners should not be counted on, because they "... work, unlike the Westerners." When they are completely cancer-ridden, then they will probably start to move, but it will be too late. am
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 April 8 2014 11: 47
      +7
      Quote: Gvozdovsky
      And if they are alive, then they will certainly be "broken" in the dungeons of the SBU-shny "specialists".

      They will not break anyone, they will give 10 years each and all things. And no bastard in the world will scream about political prisoners.
      And if in the east, they are stupidly waiting for the Russian Federation to intervene, then this is stupid. In Crimea, it started without overhead lines. But Berkut himself set up roadblocks and occupied parliament. And most importantly, the local government, for the most part, supported the people.
      In the South East, local authorities, at best, stupidly ignore protests. The protester himself, without certain financial resources, support from regional administrations, will normally not be able to hold a referendum. And, judging by the records, the "leaders" do not evoke much confidence in the protest.
      At the Sevastopol Forum, someone from the Crimean delegation described how they went first to Russia. And according to him, one of our officials told him. When the events began, Chaly appeared, in the Kremlin at first they thought that the next politician and no more. But they began to punch hard anyway, and even when they were convinced of the seriousness of intentions, OHL and other support began to appear.
      And several thousand people on the square, this is, in principle, the whole proclaimed republic itself. And today, there is no need to stutter about the military assistance of the Russian Federation. While only the Foreign Ministry is working, the truth is probably the State Duma and the government should have made a thick hint to the junta that they should not count on force. But those, in principle, do not commit atrocities
      1. jjj
        jjj April 8 2014 12: 26
        +9
        It is appropriate to quote these lines:
        "And only he is worthy of happiness and freedom,
        Who goes to battle for them every day "
      2. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. April 8 2014 12: 39
        +1
        Polite green time will appear
      3. acute
        acute April 10 2014 15: 00
        0
        Well, you're talking about Crimea in vain. There would be no our base there and it is not known how it would end
  11. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 8 2014 11: 16
    +6
    They want to live under BANDERVETS and let them slurp. You yourself need to arrange your own maidan and not sleep and wait for everyone to bring you on a silver platter. soldier
  12. Dimych from Vanino
    Dimych from Vanino April 8 2014 11: 17
    +3
    Well wrinkled foreheads sit, another day ... again a resolution or whatever. Will oh how to show concern .. Catching up that profuca this country. I'm talking about merikashki and fa-CK of the EU ... And they won’t even ask Kiev ... God forbid, they pulled the reins .. and besieged them. Shame, can it really be.
  13. staryivoin
    staryivoin April 8 2014 11: 22
    +3
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    The West does not know what to do. The West has no plan.


    The Westerners (USA, EU and NATO) and their vassals in Kiev have only one plan to bring Ukraine to the "democratic" elections. And put "sixes" who will not resist, but for a handout they will faithfully serve their masters.
    Dear Kharkovites, why are you so screwed up? Indeed, like Viktor Stepanovich "We wanted the best ..." The East of Ukraine is plunging into bloody squabbles. Hold on brothers !!!
    1. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK April 8 2014 18: 05
      0
      Who pays the one and orders the music.
  14. vedmeddd
    vedmeddd April 8 2014 11: 26
    +4
    Yes, judging from all over Russia, it is necessary to recruit their rulers exclusively from the special services!
  15. tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 April 8 2014 11: 27
    +2
    Who knows what the former employees of the Kharkov, Donetsk and other eastern cities of the Berkut special forces are doing now. Are they part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine or have they all been fired?
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 April 8 2014 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: tverskoi77
      Who knows what the former employees of the Kharkov, Donetsk and other eastern cities of the Berkut special forces are doing now. Are they part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine or have they all been fired?

      Although they disbanded, but have not yet been fired, only a part wrote a report on dismissal. And those that were not yours, not ours. The orders of Kiev, if executed, it is more for visibility. At least they don’t step into the open confrontation with the protesters, it’s more for a look, to balk over for several minutes, but they don’t support them openly.
      By the way, infa was confirmed that PS was involved in the storming of the Regional State Administration in Kharkov.
    2. acute
      acute April 10 2014 15: 03
      0
      Not yet, but there will be one end. 80 thousand troops of the VV and the Ministry of Internal Affairs want to dismiss from the eastern regions, as they did not justify trust
  16. DAYMAN
    DAYMAN April 8 2014 11: 34
    +2
    I don’t believe in coincidence and coincidence ... someone definitely has a plan ...
  17. UVB
    UVB April 8 2014 11: 35
    +8
    An hour ago I was near the SBU building in Lugansk. Outwardly, everything is calm, no movement. The picture is clickable.
    1. DMB-78
      DMB-78 April 8 2014 17: 55
      0
      Quote: UVB
      Outwardly, everything is calm, no movement.

      quiet and smooth, but God's grace. here you have the protest manifestations
  18. Wolland
    Wolland April 8 2014 11: 35
    +12
    Putin is well done. Soon he will take very decisive steps that the Slavs are asking for.

    PUTIN - RETRIEVED THE WHOLE WEST AND THE EU IN THEIR SAME GAME ..... NOW THERE ARE IN A DEAD SITUATION WHERE WE BROTHER PEOPLE NEED TO USE A MOMENT .... STILL IN 2010, NO ONE CAN AND WILL SUGGEST .... AND TODAY WITH CONFIDENCE I CAN APPLY

    USSR 2.0 - NOT AT THE MOUNTAINS ...
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    2. atalef
      atalef April 8 2014 12: 19
      -29%
      Quote: Wolland
      USSR 2.0 - NOT AT THE MOUNTAINS ...

      He is overseas.
      1. Weigher
        Weigher April 8 2014 12: 32
        +1
        Therefore, the mast is already visible!
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        2. atalef
          atalef April 8 2014 12: 52
          -7
          Quote: Weigher
          Therefore, the mast is already visible!

          Do you all really want the USSR -2?
          Just do not forget that the USSR is also Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, etc. — those republics that will bring nothing besides poverty.
          USSR-2 is not a single large Russia, this means that all these Uzbeks, Tajiks will flood into Russia neither as Gaster, but as full-fledged citizens and you will not do anything to them. Moreover, in the framework of the USSR-2 - all these new / old territories will have to be fed, developed --- received in return, what? Guess yourself? Or paint.
          Who do you want to see in the USSR 2? a different country? And in the end, get the crowds of Tajiks and Russia with sucking southern leeches. Do you want to get a weak Russia, with millions of people living in wars, ethnic conflicts, etc.-- forward of the USSR -2.
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 April 8 2014 13: 28
            +8
            Quote: atalef
            You all so want the USSR -2

            As a rule, the second part already has differences and bug fixes. But for some, the very concept of the USSR, for some reason, causes only negative things. But there were more significant positive things. Free medicine and education, not declared, but real social support, minimal corruption and much more.
            So why not rebrand ...
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            2. atalef
              atalef April 8 2014 13: 49
              -3
              Quote: Russ69
              But for some, the very concept of the USSR, for some reason, causes only negative things. But there were more significant positive things. Free medicine and education, not declared, but real social support, minimal corruption and much more. So why not rebrand ...

              that which you cannot return and you will not erase people's memory (for the past 20 years), therefore it is like shampoo and conditioner in one bottle.
              Or do you think that the problems described by me will not be?
              1. BIGLESHIY
                BIGLESHIY April 8 2014 16: 48
                +4
                Quote: atalef

                that which you cannot return and you will not erase people's memory (for the past 20 years), therefore it is like shampoo and conditioner in one bottle.
                Or do you think that the problems described by me will not be?

                Well, yes, yes, YOU to the nearby Arabs in Souls FOR ... HAVE for many centuries, so worry about your land vistor. And OUR USSR (1.0, 2.0 and at least 3.0) DO NOT TOUCH your vipers angry
                PS I'm not a Nazi. I’m a PATRIOT-SLAVOPHIL if you suddenly want to accuse me of Nazism !!!
                1. Azat Babai
                  Azat Babai April 8 2014 20: 19
                  +1
                  I am a Bashkir, I think so too. This is our Russia !!! And the whole Urals think so.
              2. GradusHuK
                GradusHuK April 8 2014 18: 14
                0
                Everyone has problems and will always have
          2. Weigher
            Weigher April 8 2014 14: 08
            +5
            "Do you all so want the USSR -2?"
            Just like the Soviet Union did not want to, and the name itself does not like.
            "Just do not forget that the USSR is also Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, etc. - those republics that will bring nothing but poverty."
            It depends on which leaders will be at the helm.
            "interethnic conflicts"
            History says the opposite.
          3. PMM
            PMM April 8 2014 15: 14
            +8
            Strange logic! Uzbeks, Tajiks will have nothing to go to Russia for corny, because they will Russia in their homes! Poverty is a very controversial and complex issue. Many industrial capacities have become corny after the collapse of the USSR, but they exist. They stand, stand idle, reorient. At the same time, the countries of Middle Asia had to somehow steer their economies themselves. And nothing - we live somehow. There are problems, of course, but not everything is so bad - I say this as an Uzbek. Someone began to produce gas, who build cars, who could not - revolutionaries. But the point is that all together is a real force.
            1. GradusHuK
              GradusHuK April 8 2014 18: 19
              +2
              All the peoples of the former USSR reunite !!!
          4. The point
            The point April 8 2014 17: 25
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Do you all really want the USSR -2?



            And I remember there was a power,
            Poles and Teutons fled
            And every dog ​​was trembling,
            Seeing our squadrons.
            Life turned us in the backsides
            Fate-villain spread.
            Oh, how are you kidding me,
            Oh, how did you fool me ...
            T. Shaov "Transit train through Ukraine".
          5. GradusHuK
            GradusHuK April 8 2014 18: 11
            +1
            We were already weak. Time to collect ...))
          6. Azat Babai
            Azat Babai April 8 2014 20: 10
            0
            And now think who feeds them? hi
          7. spd2001
            spd2001 April 8 2014 21: 32
            +1
            Why is there no Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Belarus on your list? Or for you, what is not profitable for you does not exist ?!
      2. GradusHuK
        GradusHuK April 8 2014 18: 08
        0
        From a spark the flame will ignite!
    3. atalef
      atalef April 8 2014 14: 01
      +3
      Quote: Wolland
      USSR 2.0 - NOT AT THE MOUNTAINS ...

      It’s great if you all want it this way. I am for the USSR -2. good
    4. atalef
      atalef April 8 2014 14: 01
      0
      Quote: Wolland
      USSR 2.0 - NOT AT THE MOUNTAINS ...

      It’s great if you all want it this way. I am for the USSR -2. good
      1. Weigher
        Weigher April 8 2014 15: 36
        +3
        We quickly persuaded you wink
  19. jayich
    jayich April 8 2014 11: 38
    +10
    If only our government did not include the reverse gear. recourse Yes, crush these fascists once and for all while the west scratches turnips.
  20. Victor-M
    Victor-M April 8 2014 11: 43
    +6
    Advice to the risen people of the south-east against the Kiev junta, look at the video recordings of the struggle between the right sector and the legitimate authorities, at the means available to them (gas stations are not closed yet). The wedge is kicked out with a wedge, adopt the same methods that the junta used to seize power, you can’t retreat, the genocide against you will only increase if you give up. Deprive militants and junta-cops of vehicles.
    1. COLUN
      COLUN April 8 2014 16: 44
      0
      Very strongly doubt the possibility of using their methods.
      These you (very bad people) ki do not hesitate to go to the shedding of blood of civilians - but these are still our future compatriots.
  21. Balamyt
    Balamyt April 8 2014 11: 48
    +6
    The guys are doing something wrong! You can’t pull it. Lost time is worth a lot. About 70 people have already been arrested. If it goes on like this, then in two three days in a pre-trial detention center everyone will protest.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 8 2014 12: 13
      +1
      Quote: Balamyt
      then after two three days in a pre-trial detention center everyone will protest.

      They were sent to different pre-trial detention centers - to Kievskoye and Poltava! Those. to those where the police are now "loyal" !!! am
  22. PMM
    PMM April 8 2014 11: 48
    +7
    Nda. Sincerely sorry for Ukraine, this mess does not even have prospects for an end. I do not think that Russia will join in the same way as with Crimea. Rather, it will actively promote federalization, which will result in some kind of Commonwealth of Independent Regions of Ukraine. Which, after the next Maidan, decides to become independent ...
  23. Monk
    Monk April 8 2014 11: 49
    +4
    Quote: Thompson
    Alas, the moment is different! And only having risen in a single line, EVERYTHING and IMMEDIATELY, having suppressed all structures of power and security officials, will they achieve their goal, otherwise they will crush everyone one by one!


    A single system will be, if not now, then by October precisely and then nothing will save the fascists.
  24. rasputin17
    rasputin17 April 8 2014 11: 50
    +3
    The West has no plan.

    With the split of the Crimea, all plans collapsed! Everything went for the ghouls not at all according to their scenario, Hollywood does not work here. And now the shitmen themselves do not know how to get out of this dung porridge that they made. the only thing they can do is scream about the infringement of the rights of pigeons and put sticks in the wheels. There is not enough mazg for more.
  25. DimYang
    DimYang April 8 2014 11: 52
    -1
    This is where our PMCs (private military companies) would be useful, but we don’t have them. It's a pity. But if they were, and were sent there (by whom?), Who would pay for it? After all, for the time being, Russia must remain aloof. Maybe ours really has some kind of plan? Personally, I don’t see anything yet.
    1. nizrum
      nizrum April 8 2014 12: 11
      +3
      Yanukovych would have paid ... but there is a plan for anybody, and the Russians are there, and the FSB (well, or who we have there?), And other "assistants" ... all that remains is to get sick, like in football ... because the Americans are there too.
    2. werewolf
      werewolf April 8 2014 13: 51
      +3
      nothing to do! ALL THIS JUNTE COSTS MONEY AND NO MONEY. This movement showed the West that it is not necessary to give loans, they will not pay back! (How we are not given) Soon Yaytsenyukh will write on his own and screw up somewhere and there are no more smart ones there (Yaytsenyukh is feeble-minded but smarter than the rest) THEN IT WILL BE MAKHNOVSHCHINA and that's all ... the southeast will come by itself and the west will only be glad that Russia has decided to feed the southeast. And so in the course of all to feed the EU, and they have Greece. The last shouts from the West: "We will not take either the EU or NATO"
  26. parusnik
    parusnik April 8 2014 12: 00
    +6
    According to Turchinov, against those “who took up arms”, “anti-terrorism measures” will be held.
    Yeah, in this case, Molotov cocktails are not counted, they were also used on the Maidan ... And who were the terrorists on the Maidan, or who? .. Andryukha Makarevich, and the other defenders of the Maidan, people want freedom in Donetsk from the Maidan ... explain to us who is hu ..
  27. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 8 2014 12: 03
    +5
    To send peacekeeping troops to Ukraine! Not in all, only to the East, and only until the end of the referendum on the status of these regions! Spit on the USA, spit on the West! And in all kinds of Yaroshi there to shoot without warning! angry
  28. siberalt
    siberalt April 8 2014 12: 08
    +3
    The requirements of the South-East are as follows: Russian - the second state and regional autonomy. All these issues are within the competence of the central government. This is Russia's position. And what does separatism have to do with it? Indeed, in fact, the separatist sentiments are fueled by Kiev. And it's clear why. Because this oligarch-fascist "organized criminal group" feels insecure. This is influenced by at least three factors. The West "has its tail between its legs" (including with financial support), intra-government confusion and the overwhelming rejection of "power" by the population. So it turns out that neither one nor the other can themselves. Some pray to the West, others to Russia. But it won't last that long. The situation can change on any day.
  29. mabuta
    mabuta April 8 2014 12: 11
    +8
    Nobody is sleeping. Everything has just begun.
  30. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 8 2014 12: 21
    +2
    If Donetsk is still moving at the very least, the rest of the SE regions are waiting for the weather by the sea. Anything that a thousand or one and a half activists will scold, shout slogans, and that's all. What is a thousand and a half, even three for a city with a population of XNUMX million? Do Kharkiv residents sit at home, go to work and what do they hope for? That everything will be settled by itself and will "Putin bring order"? Maybe I'm wrong, but the impression is this.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 8 2014 12: 43
      0
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Maybe I'm wrong, but the impression is this.

      Similarly ...
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      The fact that a thousand and a half activists will stir up, the slogans will shout, that’s where it ends.

      On this and the calculation. And all of them. Russia will never pick up all these "breakaway pieces". How will it look like? "Donetsk Republic", "Kharkov Republic", etc.
      This is not the REPUBLIC OF CRIMEA, but REGIONS OF UKRAINE! If the Russian authorities, following the example of Amers, do not want to be pi ** obols, then they will not demand federalization. This will be a violation of all statements about the indivisibility of the borders of the states !!!
      1. Docent1984
        Docent1984 April 8 2014 15: 39
        +1
        But what about the borders of a non-existent state?
  31. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav April 8 2014 12: 22
    +1
    How to solve the problem of southeast Moscow?
    Attach and hang all sins on yourself? Should not be doing that. You will blame from all sides. And the borders of NATO move closer to the borders of Russia. Again mountains of offended ukrov on this border. )
    Leave it as it is, sometimes reluctantly fanning this smoldering light. Something like this is likely to be.
    This is, as it were, plus Russia, did not go further.
    And minus Ukraine, let it cope with its own problems.
    Against this background, Crimea is not a problem at all. So some nonsense.
    Not humanly, but politically.
    Let's see how events unfold.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 8 2014 12: 48
      +2
      Quote: Dan Slav
      And the borders of NATO move closer to the borders of Russia.

      They are sure to move. This is an objective and obvious fact. It does not matter where this border passes - in the Dnipropetrovsk region or in Lviv. In six months, this will happen, or in two or three ...
      As long as there is NATO, it will move, and the direction of this movement is CONSTANT. And to stop this creep can only divert the attention of NATO to its problems.
      But how to organize them - this is the key question ...
      1. Vanko
        Vanko April 8 2014 20: 10
        -2
        TSYA - THIS

        Infuriates. Learn your native language.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah April 8 2014 21: 06
          +1
          Quote: Vanko
          Infuriates.

          I can only sympathize. Recipes for healing .... "Tyrneta" in front of you ...
          Quote: Vanko
          Learn your native language

          1. I don't have time, unfortunately ... I have three more "in use" besides my own ...
          2. Passed the exams, after school on the SOLID "five". Maybe it’s forgotten. .....
  32. Midshipman
    Midshipman April 8 2014 12: 31
    +9
    Surprise to the whole Southeast of Ban Ki-moon! WHAT A NEWS!!! A.
    On ThamesTV, the English channel shows: in parliament they are discussing, as usual, the Ukrainian question (on duty) in the morning. It turns out that Ban Ki-moon made an interesting statement at the UN yesterday, and for some reason the Ukrainian media are stubbornly silent about him! ..

    The fact is that the UN Security Council once again considered the issue of Ukraine, and experts made the following conclusion in the framework of international law: it turns out that since the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine has not carried out and did not properly register with the UN the demarcation of its borders as a state ... They remain along the borders of the administrative district of the USSR in accordance with the usual treaty within the CIS, which the UN does not have legal force.

    Since the country does not have its official border within the framework of international law, there is no reason to talk about its violation by anyone. There is also no reason to talk about separatism, i.e. forcibly changing the configuration of the border. You cannot change that which does not exist!

    While the information has not been confirmed, there are no official reports, but the fact that "Listen, George, this is not a state at all" is TRUE.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 8 2014 12: 39
      +4
      Quote: Midshipman
      While the information has not been confirmed, there are no official reports, but the fact that "Listen, George, this is not a state at all" is TRUE.

      Something to eat:
  33. Mohomax
    Mohomax April 8 2014 12: 32
    +2
    Unfortunately, it is precisely such events that teach one to love one’s country when, against the backdrop of chaos, a savior appears in the person of our esteemed president, who is able not only to say but also to do things that can change the polarity of our fragile world. Good luck to the people of Kharkov, Lugansk and Donetsk regions. If anything, we will be polite.
  34. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 8 2014 12: 34
    +1
    I beg you, dear, there were PEOPLE’s actions against the tyrant’s power, and now the TROOPS SIMPLY SHOOT people called terrorists and separatists. It is said - WE WILL SUPPRESS WITH THE RIGIDEST METHODS!
    Quote: Victor-M
    Advice to the risen people of the south-east against the Kiev junta, watch video recordings of the struggle between the right sector and legitimate authorities
    1. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 April 8 2014 13: 02
      +4
      It is sad, but the bridges were burned - retreat quietly outweigh everyone one at a time, if you did not die of starvation earlier.
      Sorry if anyone offended my words.
  35. DMoroz
    DMoroz April 8 2014 12: 35
    +1
    without the urgent creation of their own governing and defense bodies, no loud statements and demands for help will help. There will definitely not be any help in the person of VL
  36. Archimedes
    Archimedes April 8 2014 12: 43
    +3
    Crimea is the first swallow. What is happening in the west of Novorosia is just return back their territories, their people living there.
  37. Thomas
    Thomas April 8 2014 12: 45
    +6
    The junta thinks Kharkov has paid off - horns!
    Now everything will be tougher every time.
    There was a good article yesterday about three options. And apparently, we are following one of them, according to which, in response to the actions of Kiev, the protest wave will only intensify and become permanent.
    1. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 April 8 2014 13: 05
      +4
      Guys, it's time for those who can and want to take your favorite shotgun and go on the hunt for Nazis and nigerov.Inogo language they poymut.Vspomnite Mandan and Berkut.Spasibo you for what you have !!!!
      Thank you for not hi give up !!!!
    2. Turkir
      Turkir April 8 2014 17: 35
      0
      What is now in Kharkov?
  38. ELECTRON
    ELECTRON April 8 2014 12: 53
    +1
    Well, I sincerely wonder what will happen ???? These scarecrows are honestly tired of their threats, but in fact, what ??? And nothing will happen. All these creatures choke in their saliva and will bark randomly like a mongrel until they get bored. If, nevertheless, give GOD the Southeast forms sovereign republics, then people will finally take a deep breath! USSR 2.0 !!!!!! Chew and swallow pathetic EUROPEANS and GRINGO !!!!
  39. Blondy
    Blondy April 8 2014 13: 03
    +2
    Well, Putin will not be able to send troops. We must hold on to ourselves. But negotiations should be held between Russia, Ukraine, the United States and the EU. The republics urgently need to create their own foreign ministries and turn to Lavrov to also represent Ukraine in the negotiations. The West will be in the pose of the zodiac sign. The legitimacy of all Ukrainian participants is at the same level. "Between the case" - negotiations with Russia "at the level of experts" - and there it is possible to agree to this ...
    1. PMM
      PMM April 8 2014 13: 19
      +1
      Yes, most likely it will be so. Russia will stand on the position of federalization of Ukraine as the only possible way out of the situation, and the remaining 3 parties will try to convince it. And all this catastrophe will continue until either the EU and the United States disagree with the position of Russia, or they do not convince Russia. But in the light of everything that is happening around, then most likely only the first option.
    2. Vanko
      Vanko April 8 2014 20: 05
      0
      http://yandex.ru/video/search?text=%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%20%D1%86
      %D0%BE%D0%B9%20%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%20%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BB%D
      0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BD%20%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE&where=
      all & filmId = -KSpfIwIUXI

      listen and feel)))
    3. Vanko
      Vanko April 8 2014 20: 19
      0
      No matter how they call him, he was a prophet. The song "Ataman" generally seems to me to be a dedication to Putin.
  40. Sergg
    Sergg April 8 2014 13: 09
    +5
    Performances should be mass 20-30 thousand people.
    After all, Kharkov and Donetsk are cities of a million people, where are you people?
    1. egor 1712
      egor 1712 April 8 2014 13: 53
      +3
      They are civilians and their natural behavior is fear. People are afraid of reprisals, prisons and persecution.
  41. Sergg
    Sergg April 8 2014 13: 12
    +4
    Russia should have an understanding that they help several million people, you understand this !!!
    1. AK-74-1
      AK-74-1 April 8 2014 13: 39
      +1
      Russia should have an understanding that the people who asked for help will not TRAFFER at the most difficult moment for the country in the future.
      Crimea will not betray, but a stupid herd that allowed fascism and "Ukraine-Nerossiya" should understand the stomach if the brain is atrophied. So that in 10-20-50 years, not a single bastard would say that they decided to go to the "uy rashka" for me.
      I greet activists and other specific people who understand the disastrousness of the Ukraine project and who have proven their loyalty to Russia with their lives. Let the rest go to the rabbit with 500 gas and beggarly pensions and salaries, let them be ashamed when their children ask for bread.

      And Cho deleted the posts. Type intolerant, swearing obscenities. So I do not care, I still have a print screen.

      Soon 9 MAY. Let the residents of Kiev, Kharkov, Donetsk, Odessa, Sumy and Poltava, Cherkasy and Uman be ashamed. Although you’ll take something from the traitor.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 13: 42
        +4
        Quote: AK-74-1
        And Cho deleted the posts. Type intolerant, swearing obscenities. So I do not care, I still have a print screen.

        CHO- in Japanese ass! Once again, expose your mats fly away in the ban! You are here that the entrance in which the homeless people gathered or your mother did not teach you culture.
        1. AK-74-1
          AK-74-1 April 8 2014 14: 23
          +1
          Alexander has already gotten to such an extent that there is simply no strength.
          One nagging! The guys feel sorry for those who are detained and arrested.
          There is someone who knows lawyers who can provide data for transferring funds to lawyers for detainees.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 14: 43
            +2
            Quote: AK-74-1
            One nagging! The guys feel sorry for those who are detained and arrested.

            Something to change if all the sites on the mat will re-enter?
          2. lukke
            lukke April 8 2014 15: 08
            +2
            There is someone who knows lawyers who can provide data for transferring funds to lawyers for detainees.
            Write, Russia, Chechnya, the lawyer corps - SOBR "Terek"))), but seriously, there is no whining - you can't sit and wait for the weather by the sea (I go to Kharkiv citizens). Why do they allow their activists to be taken out of the city? Where is the elementary coordinating council - they have been holding a meeting for at least a month, and the impression is that they were just picking seeds in the square after work. Either all of this is not so massive, or they are not so annoyed. Our mentality seems to be the same, so it seems that patience is stronger than that of the population of Russia. Sometimes, summer residents defend their rights more strongly when it comes to a summer cottage fence.
            1. AK-74-1
              AK-74-1 April 8 2014 15: 30
              0
              Judging by your questions, you are not a stupid person. But. The whole Monday idea smacks of either adventurism or real provocation.
              There are 2 axioms for me:
              1. Neither America nor the EU to feed Ukrainians WILL NOT BE under any circumstances. THEY ARE NO MONEY from the word AT ALL. And money is not the main thing, the main thing is lard, bread and vodka, and the sowing plant has already been profiled. Rabbit, Baptist and Boxer are suicidal. The territory "Ukraine" is needed for the disposal of waste, NATO bases and the missile defense position area.
              2. A herd of sheep lives in the territory - TRAITORS. There are some individuals who understand that during the implementation of the first axiom, the herd of ChO, which is Japanese assholes.

              CONCLUSION. Helping the herd is useless. NEEDS to neutralize the threat in the form of deployment of bases, missile defense and spent nuclear fuel. This is achieved by 2 in economic ways - KhAZ according to 500 and foreign policy gathers the grounds for ensuring a military operation (but targeted), complaints of oppressed sheep, violence against detainees, etc.

              Chaos does not allow NATO to realize its plans and at the same time sets up a herd against foreign shepherds.

              In a year, the situation will mature and the herd already tied in blood for the destruction of foreign shepherds at the end of the impoverished will fight in hysterics "Russia take us home" and at the same time not a single stupid sheep will say that she was not asked.

              If something is not clear, I can explain it more intelligibly.
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          4. Setrac
            Setrac April 8 2014 15: 44
            +1
            Quote: AK-74-1
            There is someone who knows lawyers who can provide data for transferring funds to lawyers for detainees.

            And here are the figurines.

            Quote: AK-74-1
            The guys feel sorry for those who are detained and arrested.

            Russians in Ukraine do not feel sorry for the "guys", so why should they feel sorry for the Russians in Russia?
            1. AK-74-1
              AK-74-1 April 8 2014 15: 58
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              Russians in Ukraine do not feel sorry for the "guys", so why should they feel sorry for the Russians in Russia?


              BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT A HERD AND NOT AND THEY DO NOT BETTER! For the rest of the inhabitants of Ukraine, they are strangers, but for us THIS IS OUR RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
        2. GradusHuK
          GradusHuK April 8 2014 18: 40
          0
          In Chinese))
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  43. 51064
    51064 April 8 2014 13: 38
    +1
    The chances that negotiations with the West and Ukraine will really give anything - federalization, for example, I think are very small. However, water sharpens a stone.
  44. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 8 2014 13: 46
    +7
    You know, I went over the articles, read the comments, and was surprised. Almost the same people, and sometimes experts in technology, politics, and strategies.
    and it seems that all this is for + -sikov and status. Well, just the geeks site.
    I must admit, there are very clear and clearly substantiated articles and comments. But how much is empty - horror.
    The fate of those who stood up to fight the junta yesterday is being decided. Yes, poorly organized, not everyone understood what to do, the lack of a clear plan. But they got up and said. And now they will be strangled one by one, and you don’t have to wait for the rise from those who doubted yesterday (what to do).
    The help from Russia, which was probably not clearly understood, was no longer expected.
    I'm not a strategist. And maybe my reactionary views are not correct, but there is someone to explain clearly and without foam. Why aren't we helping? So far, only words. After all, they will zombify the people, they will say that "your Russians were blown away." And How? After all, the majority is a peaceful and far from warlike tribe. And part of the population loyal to us, after such a brainwashing, may turn away (simply due to the lack of intelligence).
    You can minus from the heart.
    1. AK-74-1
      AK-74-1 April 8 2014 14: 07
      +8
      Little Muck.
      There was no need to fight the junta at all. The junta, PravoSekov, Freedom, the beating of veterans, the burning of "St. George's" ribbons and the mockery of the burials could be ALLOWED (from the word AT ALL) NOT ALLOWED.
      In Crimea, for 23, this was not the case. Even the monuments to PIONEER-HEROES in Simferopol Park of Culture and Leisure are WHOLE.
      It is indisputable to help. But those who with open face tore the Bandera flags of the failed project, were arrested and detained. WHY DO I HELP others. 23 years in Russia spat and humiliated and received direct and hidden subsidies.
      LET GO AND BLOOD RINSE THIS SHAME out.
      Once again I say how it was possible to admit Americans to our training center near Kirovohrad (who in the course will understand).

      FOR THOSE WHOSE POSTS BELOW.
      A traitor is an entity. The RUSSIAN PEOPLE and individual representatives who are being bullied by the junta in trouble will definitely not stay, and the rest Kh.Z. Like in a joke. dollar 12 UAH, gas 500 dollars, communal apartment 2 times. YOU SANCTIONS - QUESTIONS TO A BUNNY!
      1. Николаев
        Николаев April 8 2014 19: 12
        +1
        As for Kirovograd: on Sunday on the highway Nikolaev-Kryvyi Rih in the Bashtanka area at about 11.30 a drone saw a daughter accidentally saw it. I was walking somewhere at an altitude of 500 m. Parallel to the highway, it’s a pity :-( they didn’t take a video - for the first time in my life they saw where they would go. Then I went right and went over the fields. Then I found it on the Internet: American Hunter 100% .
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 8 2014 15: 46
      +3
      Quote: Little Muck
      The help from Russia, which was probably not clearly understood, was no longer expected.

      The key word here is "HELP". Russia helps those who do something themselves.
      1. DMB-78
        DMB-78 April 8 2014 18: 16
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        Russia helps those who do something themselves.

        Quote: Setrac
        Russia helps those who do something themselves.

        absolutely right. the needy should not be given a piece of bread, but a fishing rod.
  45. egor 1712
    egor 1712 April 8 2014 13: 51
    0
    If Russia does not help now, then Bandera will deal with the Southeast, and cruelly. And will the Russians look at it?
    Why Americans could be helped by banderlogs, and help from Russia can be seen as interference. Do not be afraid of anyone. You are a great state. They should not look around and think what the assholes (Europeans and Yankees) will say. You protect your interests. Throw the Russian people, you will not forgive the generation.
    1. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather April 8 2014 15: 47
      +4
      Quote: egor 1712
      If Russia does not help now, then Bandera will deal with the Southeast, and cruelly. And will the Russians look at it?

      Yes, he will look at all this together with the millionth population of cities in eastern Ukraine, which, as if nothing had happened, go to work, sit on a warm sofa, etc. You do not help yourself. And to arrange weakly mass strikes, huh? And to block the airport, to which the Kiev security forces arrive? And take control of all the media? And Taruto for Faberge to add to the fence? I will answer. You are weak. Otherwise, they would have done everything.

      Quote: egor 1712
      Why Americans could be helped by banderlogs, and help from Russia can be seen as interference.

      Because we are not Americans, for whom the laws and norms of morality are not written.

      Quote: egor 1712
      You protect your interests. Throw the Russian people, you will not forgive the generation.

      We protect our interests within the borders of our state, which for the past 23 years has not shouted to the whole world that Russia is a usurper of the Ukrainian people. And at the expense of forgiveness, ask your fellow citizens who are full of SBUshniks whom you did not support, sitting back at home and going to work. Will they forgive you or not?
    2. DMB-78
      DMB-78 April 8 2014 18: 24
      0
      Quote: egor 1712
      Why could Americans help banderlogs,

      and we help. we help as possible in the current conditions.
      Quote: egor 1712
      Do not be afraid of anyone.

      Did we say that we are afraid?
      Quote: egor 1712
      You are a great state.

      Thank you.
      Quote: egor 1712
      They should not look around and think what the assholes (Europeans and Yankees) will say.

      especially do not look. Lavrov and Churkin prove this.
      Quote: egor 1712
      You protect your interests.

      and whose are we to protect?
      and generations will figure it out. time will tell who was right



      Quote: egor 1712
      Throw the Russian people, you will not forgive the generation.
    3. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK April 8 2014 18: 51
      0
      Organize sir and you will be happy!
  46. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU April 8 2014 13: 52
    0
    What the hell:

    The decision to create the "Donetsk People's Republic" canceled

    The Committee of Donbass Patriotic Forces decided to cancel its decision on the creation of the “Donetsk People’s Republic”, reports Ukrainska Pravda.

    The committee noted that over the past few days, citizens of the Donetsk region have expressed disagreement with the creation of the “Donetsk Republic” and the announcement of its accession to Russia. In addition, residents of Donbass expressed disagreement with the holding of a referendum without an appropriate regulatory framework.

    In this regard, the committee has already 7 April in Donetsk held a national assembly, which was decided to cancel the decision to establish the "Donetsk Republic".

    The committee also decided to ban the holding of any referendums on the territory of the Donetsk region until the creation of a corresponding legal framework.

    The application for the separation of the Donetsk region from Ukraine was declared invalid, in connection with which the region retained its status as part of an independent Ukrainian state.

    On Monday, pro-Russian protesters in Donetsk proclaimed the creation of the so-called Donetsk Republic and announced their intention to hold a referendum in May.

    http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/08/n_6068225.shtml#comments
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 14: 44
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      What the hell:

      Full crap with mine.
    2. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather April 8 2014 15: 59
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      What the hell:

      The decision to create the "Donetsk People's Republic" canceled

      Is that all, the brain is off? This article from "Ukrainska Pravda" is intended for the zombie people of Kiev and the like. Read carefully. There, further in the text, there are direct discrepancies with real events and dates. fool
  47. 51064
    51064 April 8 2014 13: 53
    +3
    Something a new wave of tantrum in the Ukrainian media has just begun.
    "In Donetsk, women are urged to protect the building of the Regional State Administration.
    The FSB and Russian generals are to blame for the execution of the Maidan.
    In Crimea - a national tragedy, the nuclear center was seized by force.
    Yanukovych finances the separatists, dozens of accounts were arrested.
    US threatens with new sanctions for events in Donetsk "
    They started preparations to end Donetsk and Lugansk apparently.
    And yes, the central news is already on the front page of lenta.ru: http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/08/salo/
    200 tons of Ukrainian fat were not allowed into Russia wassat
  48. Nikich
    Nikich April 8 2014 13: 59
    +5
    Quote: Little Muck
    You know, I went over the articles, read the comments, and was surprised. Almost the same people, and sometimes experts in technology, politics, and strategies.
    and it seems that all this is for + -sikov and status. Well, just the geeks site.
    I must admit, there are very clear and clearly substantiated articles and comments. But how much is empty - horror.
    The fate of those who stood up to fight the junta yesterday is being decided. Yes, poorly organized, not everyone understood what to do, the lack of a clear plan. But they got up and said. And now they will be strangled one by one, and you don’t have to wait for the rise from those who doubted yesterday (what to do).
    The help from Russia, which was probably not clearly understood, was no longer expected.
    I'm not a strategist. And maybe my reactionary views are not correct, but there is someone to explain clearly and without foam. Why aren't we helping? So far, only words. After all, they will zombify the people, they will say that "your Russians were blown away." And How? After all, the majority is a peaceful and far from warlike tribe. And part of the population loyal to us, after such a brainwashing, may turn away (simply due to the lack of intelligence).
    You can minus from the heart.

    Why don't we help? The question is certainly interesting. but this is for the "comrades" from the Kremlin, and here we express our subjective opinion. As for my opinion, it is as follows: “We must help everyone who wants to get out of the power of the American junta and their henchmen.” As for help: Putin is now too weak and cannot resist NATO, no matter what they say. And before minus think about why in Russia such necessary laws as that on the fight against Nazism, etc. accepted only now, although Putin has been in power for 14 years. And why hasn't Serdyukov been jailed yet? Here I am about that.
  49. sv68
    sv68 April 8 2014 14: 02
    +6
    Sorry, but alas, everything was again according to the plan for a weekend protest. Kharkiv citizens, is it really your most pacific city in the world, that you were taken as children with bare hands, really there are no weapons at all among the population? If you wanted to make a revolution, remember three princes that you didn't follow the first is a strong leader or group. the second is a clear plan of action-the captured building is not seized back negotiations are not being held. third — AVAILABILITY OF ARMS AND DECISIONAL ACTIONS
  50. ochakow703
    ochakow703 April 8 2014 14: 08
    +2
    Again a blank shot. They mash up a week, mash up - they will make noise on the weekend, and on Monday they will receive Mardas, and a new circle begins.