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Protesters ousted from the Kharkiv regional administration, the resulting fire extinguished

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Protesters ousted from the Kharkiv regional administration, the resulting fire extinguished



Restlessly began the night outside the regional administration building in Kharkiv, which was previously taken by participants in mass protests against the new Kiev authorities. According to ITAR-TASS, the police managed to push the demonstrators out of the building, but a fire broke out in his premises.
According to Interfax, the fire spread to the first floor of the building from the street, where heaps of garbage burned. According to updated information of the State Service of Ukraine for Emergencies, a fire occurred in two rooms on the first floor. They are trying to extinguish the fire inside the law enforcement officers. The outer walls of the building were covered with black soot because of acrid smoke rising from the flames.

In front of the building remains a few hundred people. In response to the vigorous actions of law enforcement officers, the protesters began to burn tires. Stones fly through the windows, supposedly shooting from a traumatic weapons. In response, the police pour water from the windows of the citizens who are forced out of the building.
Due to the large number of people fire trucks can not drive to the scene. At the same time, as Igor Lupandin, an assistant to the head of the State Administration for Emergency Situations in the Kharkiv region, said, the fire in the rooms on the ground floor was localized and almost extinguished. Later it was reported that the fire was able to cope completely. The fire was also put out, which burned at the entrance to the building.

Conflicting information also comes from Donetsk, where similar mass actions take place. On the night of April 7, protesters from the People’s Militia of Donbass occupied the building of the Security Service of Ukraine. And as recently, official circles in the Ukrainian capital reported, the building was liberated as a result of the assault. Meanwhile, according to the correspondent of the Russia 24 channel Maxim Boytsov, the protesters did, in fact, leave the SBU building, but they did it themselves.

Meanwhile, the Verkhovna Rada is preparing to impose a state of emergency in eastern Ukraine. The draft ruling has already been submitted, it will be reviewed on April 8. A special regime in which the powers of the law enforcement agencies are seriously expanded, is expected to be established in the regions covered by the anti-Maid protests - Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk and Odessa regions.
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  1. Keeper
    Keeper April 8 2014 05: 59
    +24
    People need to consolidate!
    If it is a pitiful bunch, they will simply be dispersed with "water cannons" (as they do in the EU)!
    But if these are whole regions and the people will have "that the apple has nowhere to fall" - there will already be a different alignment!
    And now it is absolutely necessary to raise everyone !!! (again, if they really want to reunite with Russia!)
    1. W1950
      W1950 April 8 2014 06: 08
      +19
      Yes or-or. It’s too late to hide under the wife’s skirt. They cop cops, mix them with shit, betray them, and they lick the owner’s hand. Something in Kiev they didn’t show much ardor.
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 April 8 2014 06: 18
        +11
        Quote: W1950
        Something in Kiev, they did not show much ardor.

        There was no order in Kiev. And now there is nothing to lose. Or they - or them.
        1. domokl
          domokl April 8 2014 06: 24
          +9
          Quote: mamont5
          And now there is nothing to lose. Or they - or them.

          With the introduction of an emergency in the country, wartime laws begin to apply, which means they will shoot to kill. Without any warning.
          Civil war begins. The miners just will not give up. They are upset to death, and work implies very close-knit teams ... These are not peasants.
          1. Canep
            Canep April 8 2014 07: 04
            +8
            Greetings to Alexander! hi If hostilities begin, and they are likely to begin then:
            1. Russia will be forced to send troops to Ukraine.
            2. Another crime event of today's junta will appear, which can be considered in an international tribunal. What kind of tribunal we know, but consideration can be carried out according to the laws of Ukraine.
            3. After the introduction of the Russian troops, the "government" of Urkaina will not hold out until the fall.
            It follows from everything - let them introduce it, one more stupidity on their part, they will not receive military support, and if they are imposed, Russia will sustain it, they have not experienced it. It would be better to hang themselves immediately, not one of them will live to old age.
            1. Ural guys
              Ural guys April 8 2014 07: 45
              +7
              Speaking of the Government of Ukraine, Tymoshenko urges not to repeal the law on languages ​​- http://news.mail.ru/politics/17734511/?frommail=1
              “In no case can the law on regional languages ​​be repealed. We must leave the language law alone. It should act and give people in the East and South the confidence that they can speak their own language, ”Tymoshenko said on Monday in the Freedom of Speech program on the Ukrainian ICTV channel.
              There are three options:
              1. She specifically pursues a political goal for earning points in the political struggle for the place of the President;
              2. She is really stupid and insane due to the fact that in childhood her mother beat her head against the wall for a long and hard;
              3. Both the first and second.
              However, apparently she did not learn all the proverbs and sayings when she lived in Russia!
              "The first word is more expensive than the second."
              "Don't spit in the well, otherwise you'll have to drink some water."
              "Where the wind goes there and mind."
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            3. Patriot.ru.
              Patriot.ru. April 8 2014 08: 17
              +6
              In the late 40s, Bandera were given 10 years. They came out and are still alive. And you say "they won't live to old age."
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          3. siberalt
            siberalt April 8 2014 08: 28
            +3
            When the state of emergency is introduced, in general, the election procedure is suspended. And even if they are viable, they may not be recognized. Russia does not exactly recognize the results of such elections.
        2. W1950
          W1950 April 8 2014 06: 29
          +1
          Quote: W1950

          Something in Kiev, they did not show much ardor.

          There was no order in Kiev. And now there is nothing to lose. Or they - or them.


          I’m not talking about Golden Eagle, but about simple cops that weren’t obvious.
        3. Ural guys
          Ural guys April 8 2014 07: 38
          +6
          Yesterday on the news at 19-00 (Radio of Russia) they said that panic reigns in Kiev due to events in the south-east of the country.
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      2. Civil
        Civil April 8 2014 06: 32
        +5
        Quote: W1950
        Yes or-or. It’s too late to hide under the wife’s skirt. They cop cops, mix them with shit, betray them, and they lick the owner’s hand. Something in Kiev they didn’t show much ardor.

        They don’t care, the main thing is who is in power ... otherwise they see what the principle of the same Golden Eagle leads to.
        it is necessary to create a government of Ukraine in exile ...
        both here and the official statement "Russia will send troops to Ukraine only with the permission of the UN Security Council ..." that is, never.
        1. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. April 8 2014 08: 26
          0
          Maybe you don’t need to enter, but just polite will come?
      3. Ross
        Ross April 8 2014 09: 47
        +1
        Kharkov Regional State Administration is not cleared! On the upper floors there were people with the Russian flag. Cops attacked visitors, not local. Kharkiv people support and remain neutral. Now is the most important and difficult time, either the junta will retreat or crush. People do not give up, Russia is with you.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 06: 10
      +12
      Quote: Keeper
      People need to consolidate!

      It doesn’t work, they listened to the radio stream, they don’t have a leader. Each one offers something of their own, some for secession, others for federalization, still others don’t understand what they want.
      There is no leader, as is the case with Crimea, which Moscow clearly supported.
      And it is not clear what Putin has the ultimate plan in this situation.
      1. domokl
        domokl April 8 2014 06: 35
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        There is no leader, as is the case with Crimea, which Moscow clearly supported.

        Hi Sash ... Here I am amazed at you ... Where have you seen that there are people there for joining Russia? Do you wish for reality? People there are against maydauns, but for preserving the unity of Ukraine.
        Turchinov will shoot. Moreover, both Alpha and Falcon have already arrived there.
        1. stappler
          stappler April 8 2014 06: 47
          +5
          no, the main message is the creation of an independent Don.public ...
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 06: 53
          +6
          Quote: domokl
          Where did you see that there are people for joining Russia?

          I saw it yesterday live. You see that you missed something.
          Quote: domokl
          The people there are against maydaunov, but for maintaining the unity of Ukraine.

          The people there are different and require a referendum for secession from Ukraine and joining Russia. Others for federalization.
          Quote: domokl
          Moreover, both Alpha and Falcon have already arrived there.

          Yeah, I saw this "Falcon" in American camouflages. Now they will change them into the required form and call them, at least Alpha, at least Berkut. Only the faces of the Choppers cannot be hidden.
          Hi san hi
      2. askort154
        askort154 April 8 2014 10: 09
        +1
        Alexander Romanov .... And it is not clear what Putin's final plan is in this situation.


        Yes, the situation is unstable and little predictable. There are not many options for maneuver.
        I think that they are all calculated. In my opinion, possible:
        - if the whole of South Vostok does not rise next weekend, the junta will saddle him,
        - if at the same time blood is spilled, then Russia will turn to the UN with a demand to introduce
        peacekeeping troops, with a threat, if not accepted, introduce their own, for
        ensure the safety of the Russian population,
        - if the junta manages bloodlessly, which is unlikely, then it remains to wait,
        inevitable economic chaos, when the "Westerners" will groan with hunger.
        The junta will be overwhelmed, chaos, a Syrian-style civil war where there will not be
        official troops, and the "national army" of Bendery, Pole, Balts, Wahhabis
        and the eastern "militias" led by "polite people". A try
        return Crimea - an open war with Russia, there will be a different scenario.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2014 06: 11
      +6
      Quote: Keeper
      - they will simply be dispersed by "water cannons" (

      I'm afraid that the "water cannons" will be "AK" brands ...
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws April 8 2014 06: 34
        +16
        It is necessary at least in general terms to be familiar with the theory and practice of the classics of the revolutionary movement. In the southeastern regions there is only a spontaneous rebellion, no thought and organization, only some kind of adolescent idealism. As a result, the authorities easily muffle the actions of the people. in your own hands it is enough to have a well-organized group of people, albeit relatively small in number. In principle, all these demonstrations and rallies, chaotic seizures of administrative buildings are not needed, because this will not lead to the desired result. A group of revolutionaries first of all conducts agitation in power units, located on the territory of the region, says and promises anything, the main thing is to achieve their support, the transition to the subordination of the revolutionary group. And then only a question of technology: administrative buildings, post office, railway stations, airports, checkpoints on the border of the region; and time, and as he said classic: "procrastination is like death." Everything is known, there is no need to reinvent the wheel, so what is happening ha wasps in the ranks of the popular movement surprises and oppresses. As soon as the power is in the hands: the proclamation of a sovereign republic, the formation of their army, militia, border troops. The referendum is lyric, it will be necessary to hold to strengthen the political legitimacy of the new government. Activists failing to sit in their chairs, in hastily seized buildings, they immediately call for help to the Russian Federation, there will be no such help until the new government really achieves sovereignty. It's time to discard idelaism and naivety, resolutely move on to reasonable actions.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 April 8 2014 06: 51
          +2
          In the southeastern regions, only spontaneous revolt is noticeable, no thought and organization, only some kind of teenage idealism.


          Check out the comments on yesterday's news. Everything is. And coordination, some kind and plans that it is impossible to stand still, it is necessary to expand the scope of actions. There is no support from Russia. They spat on our convictions. It is necessary to actively intervene. Moreover, there are all possible and impossible reasons. Yanukovych asked for help. People organized, proclaimed independence, and applied for the introduction of a peacekeeping contingent. What are we waiting for ...
          1. krpmlws
            krpmlws April 8 2014 07: 06
            +7
            Quote: alicante11
            In the southeastern regions, only spontaneous revolt is noticeable, no thought and organization, only some kind of teenage idealism.


            Check out the comments on yesterday's news. Everything is. And coordination, some kind and plans that it is impossible to stand still, it is necessary to expand the scope of actions. There is no support from Russia. They spat on our convictions. It is necessary to actively intervene. Moreover, there are all possible and impossible reasons. Yanukovych asked for help. People organized, proclaimed independence, and applied for the introduction of a peacekeeping contingent. What are we waiting for ...

            Moreover, Russia is here, there is no support and will not be, for Putin will not enter troops. It is necessary for the southeastern regions to separate themselves from Ukraine, declare and defend their independence, then please, Russia will say its word. Until there is chaos: administrative buildings are now seized, then lost, because there is no subordinate to the activists of the popular movement of the regular army and police.The Bolsheviks began to seize power only when they secured the support of the army, it was the army that became the instrument of the revolution, and not the people, not demonstrators or protesters.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 April 8 2014 07: 20
              +1
              Moreover, Russia is here, there is no support and will not be, for Putin will not begin to send troops into Ukraine


              If so, then either a civil war, if they could get hold of weapons, or a drain.

              It is necessary for the southeastern regions to separate themselves from Ukraine, to proclaim and defend their independence, then please, Russia will say its word. As long as there is chaos: administrative buildings are either seized or lost, because there are no regular army and police subordinate to the activists


              Enlist the support of whom? PMC fighters? Or corrupt SBUshnikov? The local cops are apparently demoralized.

              The Bolsheviks began to seize power only when they enlisted the support of the army, it was the army that became the instrument of the revolution, and not the people, not the demonstrators or the protesters.


              What is the Ukrainian army - you yourself saw. Even worse cops.
              1. krpmlws
                krpmlws April 8 2014 07: 45
                +3
                1. There will be no civil war if the new government relies on real power. Brother will not shoot at brother, there are thugs, but there are a minority of them. 2.And someone tried to conduct systematic campaigning in power units? I'm afraid not. Any revolution begins with this: seizing power based on armed groups (albeit armed militias). There is a good article above that outlines a pragmatic algorithm for carrying out a revolution in relation to the current situation in the southeastern regions.
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 April 8 2014 08: 42
                  +4
                  1. There will be no civil war if the new government relies on real power. Brother will not shoot at brother, there are thugs, but there are a minority of them.


                  Hmm, but white and red in 1918 thought a little differently. And even if some brother did not want to shoot his brothers, they simply mobilized him, put a gun in his hands and go on. And when they shoot from that side, it’s somewhat out of time to look for the brothers there.

                  2.And someone tried to conduct systematic campaigning in power units? I'm afraid not. Any revolution begins with this: seizing power based on armed groups (albeit armed militias).


                  And what, there was little agitation from the PS in the form of burning golden eagles, or from laws adopted by the junta. Just people without leadership are a crowd. And for leadership, you need money, money, and again money. Even without a fiery leader, they could organize Maidown. Because there was funding and methodological assistance. Without this, any popular movement is doomed to failure.
                  1. krpmlws
                    krpmlws April 8 2014 10: 17
                    0
                    1. In the event of an armed escalation of the situation, the Russian Federation may send troops to protect compatriots. This will be the beginning of the end for the independent, therefore the banderlog will not go into the active phase. 2. As for that civil war, then the situation was completely different. 3. Apparently, this form of "agitation" was not enough, it was not enough if the armed formations did not go over to the side of the people. Military types outside politics, oaths and so on, they need to explain, prove the priority of the will of the people, that you can be outside politics and at the same time betray the people , thus changing the oath. It is necessary to form a clear and simple ideology, draw up a program that is understandable and obvious to everyone, find suitable agitators, supply them with the appropriate propaganda means and send them to military units. Of course, it is necessary to create an army of the people's militia. Only relying on the armed forces you can carry out your plans. 4.A classic revolutionary situation has developed on the Maidan: the upper classes cannot, the lower classes do not want to. Having usurped power, the Banderlog show that they are ready to actively suppress the popular movement, in contrast to Yanukovych's toothless policy. 5. Money? Again, to whom to give it, where is that specific force on which you can bet? If there is such a one, I am convinced that the money has already been transferred and will be transferred.
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 April 9 2014 03: 50
                      0
                      1. In the event of an armed escalation of the situation, the Russian Federation may send troops to protect compatriots. This will be the beginning of the end for an independent one, so banderlogs will not go to the active phase.


                      I thought so too. But the use of PS fighters and BW wolves is already serious. True, it seems to me that they shouldn't have changed them into the uniforms of the National Guard and Special Forces. They are put under the blow of Russia, it would be better to use it under the guise of "conscious Euromaidanists"

                      3. Apparently, this form of "agitation" was not enough, it was not enough if the armed formations did not go over to the side of the people. Military type outside of politics, the oath, etc.


                      I don’t know, personally I still had enough burning golden eagles and beating of boys of explosives with chains. Just a people without a leader is nothing. Crowd. It seems clear to everyone that something needs to be done, but there is no clear order that there is no desire.

                      4. On the Maidan, a classic revolutionary situation has developed: the tops cannot, the lower classes do not want


                      Oh, come on! What are the "lower classes"? Is it a Banderlog or what? So these are not "lower classes", but "lower forms of life". And the "lower classes" sat and watched on TV, as the "upper classes" merge them.

                      5. Money? Again, to whom to give it, where is that specific force on which you can bet? If there is one, then I am convinced that the money has already been transferred and will be transferred.


                      Well, in Crimea they found who to give. In the end, are there few Ukrainians in Russia? Surely there will not be any Pilipenko-Navalayko in the GRU to throw in the SE with pockets of bucks. To do coordination. Americans from the embassy do this. Why can't we?
      2. domokl
        domokl April 8 2014 06: 37
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        I'm afraid that the "water cannons" will be "AK" brands ...

        If an emergency is introduced, then it will be so ... Moreover, with SVD ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 06: 54
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          If an emergency is introduced, then it will be so ... Moreover, with SVD ...

          SVD is good if Tymoshenko bangs out of it in Lugansk and blames us all. Then the road will be open for firing.
    4. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 April 8 2014 06: 18
      0
      Now the olive is being caught. am
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    6. Name
      Name April 8 2014 06: 20
      +5
      Quote: Keeper
      If it is a pitiful bunch, they will simply be dispersed with "water cannons" (as they do in the EU)!

      Here, apparently, it will not work.
    7. Siberian German
      Siberian German April 8 2014 06: 33
      +2
      A miserable bunch is understandable - but in the Crimea we helped ours and now we are silent
      1. stappler
        stappler April 8 2014 06: 49
        0
        - it’s painfully crushing from the western side ...
        1. Egoza
          Egoza April 8 2014 07: 05
          +4
          Quote: stappler
          - it’s painfully crushing from the western side ...

          “Insider infa (channel through Spain) - the US ambassador gave a" vkazivka "- to break Kharkov at any cost. Luhansk ... it is unclear, with Donetsk like "talking".
          With Kharkov, it’s understandable why this is the military-industrial complex. All that is military equipment, tanks, armored personnel carriers, aircraft is Kharkov. Malyshev Plant. ” (C)

          By the way, this channel works
          http://www.ustream.tv/embed/17545859?v=3&wmode=di работает (Харьков)
    8. alicante11
      alicante11 April 8 2014 06: 46
      +3
      If it is a pitiful bunch, they will simply be dispersed with "water cannons" (as they do in the EU)!


      In the EU, and hundreds of thousands of shares are dispersed. Help is needed, without polite people they can’t resist. Or arm and fight back. Unarmed will still win.
    9. operator_75
      operator_75 April 8 2014 06: 52
      +3
      "People need to consolidate!"
      Do not have time, Maidan prepared for months, there was a strategy, tactics, strong leadership and discipline ... And also loot in heaps. Here we see just desperate people who are ready for a lot of things! .. What exactly? And with whom? Who will lead the masses? Suppress force without our support, tough and fast. State of emergency, arrests, curfew ... They know that it is not they - they will be crushed so. And you need to swing entire areas of time.
    10. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 8 2014 07: 55
      +1
      Quote: Keeper
      People need to consolidate!

      Well, gentlemen and comrades of VO, activists have left the building again, such a fun, thanks to which some of my colleagues cognore me. I will say this Donetsk partisan, Donetsk with Lugansk - partisan detachment. Donetsk, Lugansk, Dnepropetrovsk with Kharkov partisan detachment with traitors. Nafig relatives we are better off as an orphan. Again, women and pensioners are on strike everywhere, even in cities, even in the Internet space. Yesterday I spoke again with the Dnepropetrovsk region, the people are like a herd, but to sho won the treba, that’s write te, who will feed, let Donetsk first, and then somebody with us. All the scribe is complete. What happened to people. ????????
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 8 2014 08: 49
        +2
        Yes, not only there. My wife and I have already cursed more than once about this. Especially when there were showdowns on the swamp, I expected, frankly, this was what we were getting ready for. And she said that if she left, she would not let go home, who, they say, would feed three children if they killed. Well, of course, this is my problem here, which I will solve if necessary. But in general, such sentiments are very common in Russia. I repeat - the people are a herd. A small but strong fighting organization is needed. As was the case with the Bolsheviks at one time. Or polite people are needed. Under the guise of which the people will be able to organize self-defense units. So do not attack the Ukrainians hard. They are just the same as us.
  2. Irkutsk
    Irkutsk April 8 2014 06: 00
    +2
    And what in Kiev on the Maidan state of emergency did not enter and do not enter? For what Maidan, they spoke for freedom. The dragon is dead, long live the Dragon.
    1. W1950
      W1950 April 8 2014 06: 05
      +3
      What about Kiev? It used to be Kievan Rus, now Kiev Galicia.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 8 2014 07: 07
      +3
      Quote: Irkutsk
      For what maidanili, they spoke for freedom

      Opinion from a smart person “This is the main mistake of Yanukovych. He believed that he had no right to use force against the PEOPLE. And there were no people. There were extras, political parties (oppa) and mandate holders with a lot of dough. The standard scheme of really paid "revolutions".
      Revengeists, in general, are not news, nor have the support of those who planted them. I had a conversation with the pravoseom on the topic ... They consider them a "temporary stopper" after which there will be "correct power", naturally, in the form of Yarosh, the president. Ie REALLY new / old have no one to rely on.»
  3. Name
    Name April 8 2014 06: 01
    +5
    Welcome all! The introduction of a state of emergency in the East implies not only the expansion of the powers of the "siloviki" of Ukraine, in whose ranks are mercenaries, including PMCs and "Right Sector", but also some more "actions":
  4. Sergg
    Sergg April 8 2014 06: 01
    +5
    Nikolaev. Night shooting.
    More than 20 victims. Most with gunshot wounds. According to eyewitnesses, "ambulances" are taking people away in "packs", the fire is being fired by radicals and apparently brought from western Ukraine, as evidenced by their accent. One dead and one in serious condition.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde April 8 2014 06: 07
      +4
      And here is a look from the other side !!!


      In addition, five people were injured by shots from a traumatic pistol - mainly self-defense representatives of the Maidan suffered from bullets, in which the pro-Russian separatists fired - injuries in the neck, back, legs and other parts of the body. One man was hospitalized with BSMP with concussion - a strong firecracker exploded right next to him. At the same time, quite a few people received minor injuries from stones and other things. More accurate official information from doctors about the injured and hospitalized should be in the morning.
      Source: http://censor.net.ua/p279924
      1. Irkutsk
        Irkutsk April 8 2014 06: 12
        +8
        To throw and shoot at the Berkutovites is heroism; to receive them themselves is victims.
    2. W1950
      W1950 April 8 2014 06: 13
      +3
      Nikolaev waited for something for a long time. The East riots, the South is still sleeping.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 8 2014 06: 32
        +3
        Quote: W1950
        Nikolaev waited for something for a long time. The East riots, the South is still sleeping.

        Nikolaev and Odessa were supposed to start on April 10 ... so a false start.
        Most likely, everything will be decided by May 9.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 8 2014 10: 29
          0
          Quote: PSih2097
          Most likely, everything will be decided by May 9.

          On May 9th, everything will just flare up. All the contradictions between Bandera and people who remember the great victory will come out. And it will become clear which way everything went. hi
    3. Egoza
      Egoza April 8 2014 07: 09
      +8
      Call from New Russia.
      They called from Nikolaev!
      More than 10 wounded, the junta is conducting a mass shooting of Russians, there are the first killed.
      The guys asked to convey: "We are dying for the Orthodox Faith, for Russia"

      Source: http://politikus.ru/events/16376-strelba-v-nikolaeve-est-ubitye.html
      Politikus.ru
  5. Sergg
    Sergg April 8 2014 06: 03
    +4
    Nikolaev. Night shooting.


    The henchmen of Washington, and their Bandera henchmen, who shed the blood of civilians, deserve to die.
  6. Sledgehammer
    Sledgehammer April 8 2014 06: 04
    0
    The real civil war. How many more victims will be :(
  7. Keeper
    Keeper April 8 2014 06: 04
    +4
    Curfew imposed in Kiev! What can we talk about if the current authorities there are gradually removing the barricades - apparently they are afraid that other people might need them ...
    Let them clean up! They will not be needed, for the Russians always "go to the bayonet" without hiding ...
  8. galser
    galser April 8 2014 06: 04
    +6
    Not happy news. These swings are tired of the order. Federalization is faster, and everything is easier there.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 8 2014 06: 51
      +4
      Quote: galser
      Not happy news. These swings are tired of the order. Federalization is faster, and everything is easier there.

      In the West, in the near future, a stable Ukraine is not needed, but such a mess as they are doing right now, for the West the main vector of tension should be sent to our borders (they won’t climb to the Belarusian border) ...
  9. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 8 2014 06: 06
    +18
    I want to believe that the Southeast woke up good But according to the information that is available at this hour, the same bar..maydan but on a different territory with tires Sturm the buildings in which there is no one except security and technical personnel ... And where are the people's deputies? Officials? Why do not storm the police department? MOE? Those places where special equipment weapons? Why do not take control of the railway stations Airports? Is this the same show Only with a different sign? Or do those who protest do not understand that reinforcements will go through the air along the main roads? Probably I was taught something wrong in the Special Forces of the Soviet Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation request
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 06: 12
      +7
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Why do not storm the police department? MOE? Those places where special equipment weapons? Why do not take control of the railway stations Airports?

      Because there is no central management, and it’s not clear much what actually happens and where request
      1. Irkutsk
        Irkutsk April 8 2014 06: 13
        +9
        Here you have the hand of Moscow. You can’t see her.
      2. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 April 8 2014 06: 23
        +16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        and it’s not clear a lot of what and where is actually happening

        I'll tell you right now am We have different people on the forum who understand different issues. I understand this soldier What the hell is everyone trying to take over the administration building? Their value, according to Russian standards, lies only in the phones of the head and his deputies responsible for a specific area of ​​work - the housing and communal services of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and ..pr But only if there is a person authorized at this end of the wire authorized to resolve these issues In any other case, this building is no different from hostels with migrant workers or a toilet toilet They didn’t read Lenin? He has everything clearly planned for ...... bov fool Well, how do you understand this show?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 06: 29
          +5
          Quote: Ruslan67
          What the hell is everyone trying to take over the administration building?

          My answer is ...
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          Because there is no central management

          hi
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 April 8 2014 06: 36
            +10
            Earnestly request And where are those who served and worked in power structures since Soviet times? Where are veterans who can organize a crowd in military formations? I’m absolutely serious right now. Even with clean shoulder straps, we can organize a combat-ready squad in a couple of hours because we were grandfathers and demobilizers And bring him to the nearest senior in rank BUILDING! Where is the old age by rank in this crowd?
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 April 8 2014 06: 41
              +4
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Earnestly request And where are those who served and worked in power structures since Soviet times?Where are the veterans who can organize the crowd in battle formations? I'm absolutely serious right now -Even we with clean shoulder straps will be able to organize a combat-ready squad in a couple of hours because they were grandfathers and demobilization And bring him to the nearest senior in rank BUILDING! Where are the senior in this crowd?


              ARE YOU SERIOUS? and the combat coordination of the unit will happen in about twenty minutes? this is only possible if the crowd consists of your colleagues, whom you do not know very well.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 April 8 2014 06: 45
                +2
                Quote: PSih2097
                ARE YOU SERIOUS?

                It is quite request If it will be those who really served Knows charters and job descriptions But with established communication
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 April 8 2014 06: 55
                  +4
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Quote: PSih2097
                  ARE YOU SERIOUS?

                  It is quite request If it will be those who really served Knows charters and job descriptions But with established communication

                  provided that it will be specialists or intelligence, moreover, having similar specializations - yes, if there are ordinary troops, then at least a week (24 hours a day).
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 8 2014 07: 08
                    +6
                    Quote: PSih2097
                    provided that it will be specialists or intelligence, and having similar specializations

                    On my own and judge request Only a lot of us were in the Soviet Army. And I’m nodding at them first, it’s quite difficult for us to brainwash and forget skills soldier
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 06: 56
              +6
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Where are the veterans who can organize the crowd in battle formations? I AM

              Veterans are already there with weapons, watch the videos in YouTube is full. But these are soldiers in the first place, and now they need a politician who will bring the people together.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 April 8 2014 07: 05
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                now we need a politician who will bring the people together.

                Did I warn you? wassat Where is this fucking fucking? In the sense of a presenter .. dent of Ukraine?
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 April 8 2014 06: 36
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            Because there is no central management

            hi

            And there is no plan of action, although it has been tested and accomplished long ago on November 7 (October 25), 1917 ...
            1. Egoza
              Egoza April 8 2014 07: 15
              +6
              Quote: PSih2097
              And there is no action plan

              "1. The most important moment now is the formation of military squads and detachments. The junta's response actions will follow in the very near future and we must be ready for them. The main thing is to organize the arriving and try, as far as possible, from the disorganized masses to form units capable of action. the basis of each newly formed unit should be a group of people who know each other well, who trust each other and their leader (commander). This will be the backbone, which must be supplemented by arriving loners. The combat capability of a subunit without a backbone, from some loners who do not particularly know each other, even with a good commander will not be high.

              2. The next important point is the choice of the right tactics of action. In no case can you go into the dead defenses and solely prepare to repel the assault. The initiative should be on the side of the rebels, not the junta. Therefore, tactics must be offensive. After preparing for the defense of occupied buildings and if there are sufficient forces for defense, you need to proceed to take control of more and more objects.

              3. In the event of a collision with the junta, you must definitely win the first battle. This will enable people to believe in their strength and understanding that the junta can be beaten. Further events may develop in different ways, perhaps with varying success, but the first fight must be won.

              4. In addition to military preparations, it is necessary to ensure high activity of the civilian population in the coming days, and without a general strike it is difficult to do so. Therefore, in the morning you need to stop the work of the maximum number of enterprises and take people out onto the street. It is better not to work a week of free will, having suffered some economic losses, than to lose a job after some time.

              5. Next - the formation of the government. The deadline is that tomorrow it should be formed and declare itself the only legitimate authority in the region with the reassignment of all power and other government agencies. Do everything the same as in the Crimea. If the government is not formed, then the uprising will turn into a banal riot with all the ensuing consequences.

              6. According to the implementation of the previous points, you need to take control of one or more border crossings to organize a corridor with Russia. There are enough people in Russia who are ready to leave and provide assistance on the spot, but they need to know where to arrive, since now crossing the Ukrainian border is quite problematic. "
              http://politikus.ru/events/16286-s-prazdnikom.html
              Politikus.ru
        2. Bort radist
          Bort radist April 8 2014 06: 54
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan67
          What the hell is everyone trying to take over the administration building?

          This is a red herring. Communication, warehouses without noise and dust. There are specialists. The "trial" over Kvachkov recalled - conspiracy and again conspiracy.
        3. thrower
          thrower April 8 2014 07: 05
          +1
          The RSA is captured because the one who is there can declare himself an official authority. This is called legitimacy.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 April 8 2014 07: 13
            +4
            Quote: thrower
            The RSA is captured because the one who is there can declare himself an official authority.

            The building is closed for those reasons. wassat The authorities there from where they control the situation and the funny thing is they can solve life support issues And the flag is best placed on the TV tower: if it is the right size they will see from space
    2. stappler
      stappler April 8 2014 06: 52
      +2
      that's right .. dear comrade ... that's right ... just a show ...
    3. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 8 2014 08: 15
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Is this the same show Only with a different sign?

      I got the same opinion. Passiveness of the population, indifference.
  10. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 8 2014 06: 06
    +3
    I doubt that the "state of emergency" will greatly help the "Yaytsenyukhotorchiboks" to calm down the Russians of the southeast! It's time to collect your things! am
  11. Mihail177
    Mihail177 April 8 2014 06: 09
    +5
    Well, yes, it’s been Yanuk’s decision for months on an emergency .... Banderlogs have no such complexes, they don’t care about blood.
  12. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich April 8 2014 06: 10
    +3
    Well, in Kharkov, anti-Maidan came.
    I offer the right sector, in response, to impose a tire and
    to light up! And also Turchinov and the junta! Burn yourself now! To
    in a month do not hang on poles in Kiev and Lviv!
    We wanted to get people's anger, get it!
    Planted the wind - reap the storm!
    The Russian spring has replaced the Euro Maidan winter!
  13. Name
    Name April 8 2014 06: 16
    +2
    Yarosh and the junta in his repertoire, forgetting who they are in essence:
  14. Crazyzyear
    Crazyzyear April 8 2014 06: 16
    +2
    Quote: Keeper
    What can we talk about if the current authorities there are gradually removing the barricades - apparently they are afraid that other people might need them ...


    It’s high time to remove, although the pigsty with beds could be left for the new Kiev authorities, the people of the southeast would love to see how corrupt pigs like Yaytsenyuha and Ko dig in the pigsty and dig the ground on the beds.
    1. thrower
      thrower April 8 2014 07: 07
      +1
      Pig charm! And those who care for them are downs. They will eat guinea pigs, and even write down in the heavenly hundred.
  15. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 April 8 2014 06: 21
    +1
    according to the correspondent of the TV channel "Russia 24" Maxim Boytsov, the protesters, indeed, left the building of the SBU, but did it on their own.

    This does not mean anything, the fire that inflated the junta cannot be put out, in the end, they will burn in it
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 8 2014 07: 18
      +5
      Quote: Ilja 22
      the fire that inflated the junta cannot be put out

      Donetsk. The night was uneasy. An assault was expected. There were paddy wagons. But then in the middle of the night they announced that Putin and Yanukovych had a conversation ... people hugged, rejoiced .. The police immediately took away all the vehicles. And ordinary militiamen drank hot tea in the square, warmed themselves by the same barrels, except that they were without masks. The boys played football in the square, walked around the building, talked with the police - very sincerely and kindly, and even congratulated someone on their birthday. The regional council deputies never came. At 12 at night, everyone was congratulated on the Feast of the Annunciation and turned on the recording of the bell ringing and prayer service. Mostly patriotic music was played - from "Farewell to a Slav" and "Get Up, Great Country", to Kinchev and "Russian March" by Zhanna Bichevskaya. They did not ring the bells of the neighboring small Church - let the city sleep. In the morning there was one small explosion, but it was someone playing with a firecracker, which caused a false alarm. Modern people do not have enough communication, the inhabitants of Ukraine compensate for this with Maidans and anti-Maidans ... But there is no hatred. "Channel UKRAINE YUGO-VOSTOCHNYY FRONT reports that the SBU building in Donetsk was seized by 4 am Moscow time. As the officers of the Internal Troops, who had previously guarded the SBU building, said that they would be on the side of the people." We were told to guard the wall - we are guarding it " , say the officers of the BB. Also, users of the channel reported that right now the soldiers of the BB are teaching the assault on the methods of using police shields.))) "k_3300 Immediately, the SBU was taken with food for the soldiers and peaceful protesters :)

      Source: http://politikus.ru/events/16286-s-prazdnikom.html
      Politikus.ru

      In Donetsk, the police - with the people and with George on the billboards
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 8 2014 06: 23
    +1
    Odessa, Nikolaev. There, from the new government, completely stupid people, apparently. The oligarchs even fight for their own and understand that the first blood means the end of their sources of income. And in the south, people are exhibited who, by and large, do not care for everything, the main thing is to shoot and pacify. These will be brought out first ...
  17. Kodar 75
    Kodar 75 April 8 2014 06: 27
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov

    And it is not clear what Putin has the ultimate plan in this situation.

    In any case, Putin has some kind of kneading. Do not worry
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 8 2014 07: 20
      0
      Quote: Kodar75
      In any case, Putin has some kind of kneading. Do not worry

      US Secretary of State John Kerry, in a telephone conversation with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, suggested holding talks with Russia, Ukraine, the US and the EU within 10 days, said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki.
      “They discussed direct negotiations between Ukraine, Russia, the US and the EU over the next 10 days in order to try to de-escalate tensions,” said Psaki, RIA Novosti reports.

      On Monday, a telephone conversation took place between Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry.
      “The heads of the foreign affairs agencies of Russia and the United States agreed to continue joint efforts to agree on optimal forms of international assistance in promoting genuine national dialogue in Ukraine so that Ukrainians themselves could determine the fate of their country.”
      Meanwhile, unrest flared up in Ukraine, reminiscent of a popular uprising. Pro-Russian demonstrators occupied government buildings in Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov.
      http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/238032-kerri-predlozhil-lavrovu-provesti-pe
      regovory-s-uchastiem-kieva-i-es.html
  18. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 8 2014 06: 34
    +1
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    Well, in Kharkov, anti-Maidan came.
    I offer the right sector, in response, to impose a tire and
    to light up! And also Turchinov and the junta! Burn yourself now! To
    in a month do not hang on poles in Kiev and Lviv!
    We wanted to get people's anger, get it!
    Planted the wind - reap the storm!
    The Russian spring has replaced the Euro Maidan winter!

    Yes, according to any of these reptiles, the hands of the people have already been untied!
  19. kvnvolga2008
    kvnvolga2008 April 8 2014 06: 35
    +3
    Burst, confusion and chaos ... But there is no organization, cohesion. There is no one to help. There are no leaders, there is only crowd syndrome. No matter how sad it is, but it is. And people are heroes!
    1. Afinogen
      Afinogen April 8 2014 07: 01
      +2
      Quote: kvnvolga2008
      Burst, confusion and chaos ... But there is no organization, cohesion. There is no one to help. There are no leaders, there is only crowd syndrome. No matter how sad it is, but it is. And people are heroes!


      History repeats itself, as it was already, on November 13, 1905, an uprising began on the cruiser "Ochakov", it was not successful but it gave rise to a storm.
  20. w2000
    w2000 April 8 2014 06: 58
    +2
    Unfortunately, no sane management is visible. In the video of the seizure of buildings, mostly unorganized rally participants. If there are coordinators of actions, then there are very few of them. But who knows, maybe something more serious is planned than the next, spontaneous, meaningless capture of the empty regional building. administration.
    Although it’s easy for us to argue while in Russia, it’s really really difficult to rock people into any actions and coordinate them. Especially in the provinces, where even at the beginning of the civil war, most remain inert and only change flags at the next change of power.
  21. Counter
    Counter April 8 2014 07: 06
    +2
    Quote: Irkutsk
    Here you have the hand of Moscow. You can’t see her.

    Do not rush things. Everything will be decided at the negotiations. Past clashes over this day are a prelude. A Chinese warning to those who still do not understand in Ukraine, or even beyond its borders, WHAT is Southeast! It won’t reach - there will be more clashes! Anti-Maidan mood there is very strong! But you need to understand that blood in Ukraine is not what we are striving for. This is the worst that could be! And very extreme!
    1. fevg
      fevg April 8 2014 07: 30
      +3
      Quote: Counter
      Quote: Irkutsk
      Here you have the hand of Moscow. You can’t see her.

      Do not rush things. Everything will be decided at the negotiations. .... Chinese warning to those who still do not understand in Ukraine, or even beyond its borders, WHAT is the Southeast! It won’t reach - there will be more clashes! Anti-Maidan mood there is very strong! But you need to understand that blood in Ukraine is not what we are striving for. This is the worst that could be! And very extreme!

      "Delay is like death!" (Lenin, God forgive me!) The Chinese warning is one of thousands to America. It was called the "last warning". And nothing has changed". You need to take power all at once, otherwise it will be too late with a risk to your life.
  22. Egoza
    Egoza April 8 2014 07: 22
    +1
    SBU occupiers in Luhansk warn that they will "enter into open confrontation" if their demands are not met

    The persons who have occupied the regional administration of the Security Service of Ukraine in Lugansk, calling themselves "the army of the South-East", declare their readiness to enter into open confrontation in case of non-fulfillment of their demands.

    "We, the joint headquarters of the" Army of the South-East "declare that if ... our demands are not met, we will enter into open confrontation. Now we are addressing you from the regional SBU of the Luhansk region. The building is completely under our control," address shown during the Shuster Live TV program on Monday night.

    Also, the "Army of the South-East" said that they "are ready to send a reserve detachment to the city of Donetsk, if necessary."

    As reported, on April 6, a group of people seized the SBU administration building in Lugansk. On the morning of April 7, police reported that people entering the building seized weapons in the weapons room.

    According to the Lugansk mass media, the main requirement of the SBU regional administration building that was seized is to hold a referendum, however, it is still unknown what issue should be submitted to the referendum.
    Source: Interfax-Ukraine
    Kernes: Kharkov TV tower captured by protesters

    The mayor of Kharkov, Gennady Kernes, confirms information about the seizure of the regional broadcasting television tower by several dozen pro-Russian protesters.

    "Indeed, the regional transmission tower has been seized. This is the case. About 20 people have already penetrated. They do not demand to turn off Ukrainian TV channels, they demand to turn on additional Russian TV channels," he said on the air of the Svoboda Slova program on ICTV on Monday evening.

    A previously informed source told Interfax-Ukraine that a group of activists led by the representative of the Ukrainian Eastern Bloc Yegor Logvinov is preparing to storm a TV tower in Kharkiv. E. Logvinov contacted the director of the Kharkiv Regional Broadcasting Company Sergei Gulevsky and demanded to immediately resume broadcasting of Russian TV channels.
    Source: Interfax-Ukraine
    1. Ural guys
      Ural guys April 8 2014 07: 54
      0
      That's right, even Lenin said, you need to take the post office, telephone and telegraph.
      Times are changing, but in general - about the same thing - adjusted for the development of technology ...
    2. Ural guys
      Ural guys April 8 2014 07: 54
      0
      That's right, even Lenin said, you need to take the post office, telephone and telegraph.
      Times are changing, but in general - about the same thing - adjusted for the development of technology ...
  23. fevg
    fevg April 8 2014 07: 23
    +3
    What to believe?
    Finish all these booths! There is no turning back! Take power ALL! Don't let anyone in - they are invaders. Putin also has nothing to do with it, he acts within the framework of international law! Themselves and only YOURSELF!
    I do not know what is really going on there. Revolution? Or what else? But every revolution is worth something if it can defend itself! If you said A, then say B! The main thing: take the connection and transport (all airfields, railway, roads) or disrupt it? The police must obey, reform, or be dissolved! Banks should all work under your control! Well, read Lenin! No negotiations with the current pseudo-power. Power will be given to those who want it more. Conversations will come later if there are those with whom you can speak. There are no negotiations now, no Akhmetovs - only the assertion of their own achievements!
  24. Egoza
    Egoza April 8 2014 07: 25
    +1
    From Dnepropetrovsk report:
    "Every weekend, rallies are held at the opera house from about 12 to 14. But they are peaceful
    But here Prince Igor (aka Benya) (Kolomoisky) is already "looking" for those who, in social networks, "called for the storming" of the administration. And recently "sworn in" "300 Spartans", ie own army from security structures.
    So there is an attempt to start a repression machine. Our meetings are always purely peaceful. But permanent.

    There are not many people (up to 1000). But consistency does matter.

    And information about the real situation, of course, will be blocked. Revanchists need the appropriate picture in their edition.

    Well, it is very desirable to keep society aside, in the dark and pretend that they are managing something and "everything is under control." So it is, but the question is, under whose control and who controls.
    1. fevg
      fevg April 8 2014 08: 02
      0
      Drop all these rallies! Act more decisively! Otherwise, you will truly perish! No talk! This is what if you want to achieve something? From zapadentsev you will wait only: "every Moscow-lyu has a tree." I heard this 23 years ago at the secession of Ukraine.
      Censorship here also works automatically.
  25. sv68
    sv68 April 8 2014 07: 29
    +2
    if there is no coordination between the regions of their actions if there is no person or group capable of taking the situation into their own hands, Kharkiv will be crushed. It should not be like a weekend protest. It was necessary to firmly determine their actions and not back down a step, they took the administration -Do not be an idiot, do not leave it. And continue to increase the pressure-take all strategic objects under tight control. The choice is small-go further or be broken
  26. fevg
    fevg April 8 2014 07: 33
    +2
    Here, a comrade was shown on TV and he said that we were only defending ourselves, but not attacking. Urgent change of position! Otherwise, they will kill or torture him!
  27. svp67
    svp67 April 8 2014 07: 46
    +2
    Listen to the confession of one of the "pravoseks" detained in Kharkov ...
  28. Sergei75
    Sergei75 April 8 2014 07: 50
    +9
    We must act decisively, but carefully!
    1. It is necessary to block all communications and airports. The goal is to prevent direct contact of the junta leadership with the leadership of the security forces.
    2. To meet "guests from there" at the place of their arrival, then block them, and it is better to arrest them.
    3. Block all military units and bases of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    4. Consolidate all regions of the confrontation, give orders and instructions to the security forces directly, to switch them from brown Kiev and monitor their implementation.
    5. Block the propaganda of Browns in the media and begin their propaganda.
    6. Something to do with cellular
  29. fevg
    fevg April 8 2014 08: 10
    +1
    Once again - drop peace, otherwise you will not achieve anything!
    Yes, why be afraid of the name New Russia? Unite together! It will be easier on the soul! Everything was raised and built from scratch. Do not divide "portfolios" now. All then! Don't stop in the South and East. All "Muzychki" and "Yaroshes" should be crushed in their lair!
  30. jPilot
    jPilot April 8 2014 08: 28
    +1
    They urgently need a leader who can not only lead but also tactically competent. After all, everything has already been invented since ancient times: Stepan Razin, Emelyan Pugachev and Spartak, if you like. That they clung to these state. administration and SBU. To make sense, you need to break away from the cities and unite into a single strong detachment, etc. and so on. While they are near their "warm boobs" (I do not want to offend anyone) there will be no sense. After all, even just on the street, if someone is beaten, who pulls us away from the FEAT, our half with the words "will figure it out without you." But this is rhetoric. And they need, as in the good old days, a COLLECTOR OF RUSSIAN LANDS, separately they will be crushed like puppies. Only a single wave will save.
  31. ed65b
    ed65b April 8 2014 08: 29
    0
    Well, it seems that there is a beginning of bloodshed now or everything will be blown away or will go on increasing, and then as Western partners desired after a mountain of corpses and rivers of blood, it may be necessary to send troops exclusively for peacekeeping purposes and then you can safely forget about Ukraine as a state without even discussing this status. all the locomotive is moving off the platform. The junta made the mistake beyond which the abyss.
  32. siberalt
    siberalt April 8 2014 08: 32
    +1
    The Kiev power criminal group is doing everything to foment a civil war. It seems that this variant of events can no longer be avoided.
  33. pensioner
    pensioner April 8 2014 08: 39
    0
    Protesters ousted from Kharkiv Regional Administration

    So what is it? All or not yet?
  34. Bosk
    Bosk April 8 2014 08: 44
    0
    Well, here's to you and "Set fire to the Reichstag" and the subsequent state of emergency ... the truth and set fire to some that is not correct and "Position" also apparently wakes up "Something else".
  35. sergej591910
    sergej591910 April 8 2014 08: 46
    +1
    Officially (in the open) we cannot send troops to Ukraine. But, it seems, representatives of the Russian special services are acting there (both in the information component, and in coordination, and in the assault squads). I believe that the last word has not been said by hard workers from the South-East of Ukraine ... Only people feel sorry ... But if you don’t put pressure now, it will be even worse!
  36. GOGY
    GOGY April 8 2014 08: 52
    0
    Quote: Dr.Faust.Patron
    Something needs to be done
    "block" and "do something".
    Strategist...
    Moltke is resting

    You minus for sarcasm, a person at least offers something, and you are kidding
  37. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik April 8 2014 09: 00
    0
    Now it started, let's go! The introduction of a state of emergency, in which the powers of the security forces are expanding significantly, in those areas that did not fall under power, will begin to crush now (!
  38. ATATA
    ATATA April 8 2014 09: 01
    +1
    From Kharkov, Donetsk and Lugansk.
    Kharkov IMHO was the most valuable.
    There is a very powerful defense industry.
    Because the Ukrainians to the tune of the United States and they sold it.
    Hello. hi
  39. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 8 2014 09: 01
    +1
    Don’t talk about poor organization, lack of knowledge of Lenin’s works, gentleness of pressure, etc. All this is a polemic against the poor.
    The people have not yet realized all the perniciousness of the new Kiev junta. Even among my friends there are many who have not yet realized how this can end for both peoples.
    I already wrote in comments to other articles that there will be no support
    We-Russia, saving the Crimea and Crimeans from the "Bender plague", gave a ghostly reason for hope for the rest of the people of Ukraine. But alas, neither spontaneous indignation, nor the creation of some underground forces will really be supported by our authorities (although we really want to be wrong).
    Please note that everything suddenly stopped (rallies in support of Ukraine and Crimea) as soon as the annexation of Crimea to Russia took place. And now our "bosses" have started so far sluggish and nothing supported (by tough actions) verbiage. Under the pretext of observance of the rule of law and human love, the Chul do not recognize the current government.
    But the matter lies in the plane of revolutionary spirit of the people. After all, if Russia really helps the indignant people of Ukraine in the fight against the aligarchy, who are snickering and have lost all reality, then in fact a new revolution will take place (all power to the people). This means a new exposition (plants and factories - to the workers, land to the peasants).
    Now remember the words of Putin (at the beginning of the unrest in the South and Southeast and the raising of the Russian flags) that he was surprised that the people saw him as a LIBERANT.
    See that no one in our elite is going to support the revolution. Because in this case, your people can follow the same scenario. And then our stolen power will simply have nowhere to run and it will simply be destroyed by the people (for all of their 23-year-old democracy). And our president (even perhaps really happy for the people, although there are questions) is simply crucified in front of a string of trains taking away to places that are not so far removed from the pack of filth that have flooded our country.
    Now our aligarh bandits are negotiating (to be honest, I would not want to be disappointed in Lavrov, although there are too many conversations) on the topic of dividing spheres of influence and possible neutrality of Ukraine in a military sense. And if they agree on neutrality, they will simply spit on the people and wipe them off. And they didn’t care about the fate of the "people's promoters". And so it will be. I am more and more convinced of this, seeing everything that happens (and on our television as well).
    And after reading the letter to Mikhalkov and Yevkurov’s interview on Vesti 24, there was no more doubt.
    We left the unarmed, indignant people, alone with lawless people, and this is called TRIETNESS.
    1. Irkutsk
      Irkutsk April 8 2014 10: 29
      0
      Is there a systemic genocide of Russians there? Yes, rallies, but mostly for the federalization of Ukraine. Referendums have just been outlined and not the fact that they will take place. In Crimea, everything is different. In the meantime, there is no legal or moral right to intervene by force in the affairs of the state. By political means, all possible ways are worked out, pressure is exerted. People there are different, and they want different things, it shows us what the country’s half wants to Russia. Do you call to start a war against a neighboring state without good reason? Or your spring has exacerbated Putin.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 April 8 2014 10: 30
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      Quote: Little Muck
      We-Russia, saving the Crimea and Crimeans from the "Bender plague", gave a ghostly reason for hope for the rest of the people of Ukraine. But alas, neither spontaneous indignation, nor the creation of some underground forces will really be supported by our authorities (although we really want to be wrong).

      The fact is that the Crimeans for the most part considered themselves to be part of Russia, so we considered Crimea to be our own and, only by misunderstanding, it became part of Ukraine. And to climb now, openly to the Southeast, is simply stupid. Not officially helping, but to whom specifically?
      Let’s calm down and it’s not worth saying that the GDP of something there has scared. Crimea has been accepted into Russia and everyone understands that it has already given someone a reason to announce their withdrawal from the Russian Federation.
      It’s just that some people have euphoria after Crimea and they think that in other regions of Ukraine, everything will go just as smoothly ...
  40. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 8 2014 09: 27
    +1
    Bandyugan will not leave people alone until they (bandyugan) are destroyed. But here it is necessary to help the people of the southeast. But our leadership is silent, all the signs that the Russians are being drained. If this happens, then Putin will lose all the points that he collected before that, the people will not forgive him this drain.
  41. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 8 2014 09: 47
    +3
    For three months, the Southeast did not organize, either not wanting to do this or not knowing that anyone has the power and is right + there must be money for power, there must be an organization and actions that must ensure the existence of the territory in difficult times. And much more is needed.
    Unhappy people's governors hiding in the dark and arrested without straining by the SBU, it's like .... I don't even know what. One, two, a dozen armed Bulatovs will not do anything, they simply will not be able to, and the Kiev banderglogs will continue to provoke Russia to intervene, look at their every step, action, statement leads to further tension, and I think this is not their decision. The Americans have essentially achieved, I hope temporarily, their goal - a Slav against a Slav. Moreover, under the joyful hooting of the newly created "Aryans".
    How can SE help? Our forces are not infinite. And in the case of bloody sweeps, we will intervene, we must intervene otherwise we will lose face.
  42. Santor
    Santor April 8 2014 10: 20
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    Civil war begins. The miners just will not give up. They are upset to death, and work implies very close-knit teams ... These are not peasants.


    But the miners were warned - if you go to rallies - immediately dismissal ... And they climbed into the mines together in thousands, swearing what the light of this Putin is, that everything does not come and does not free them ... Putin’s hundreds of thousands of Kharkiv residents of Donetsk also curse and Lugansk, lying on the couch with a beer in his hand, watching TV at a Ukrainian, and relentlessly repeating curses at Russia and Putin personally for not coming and releasing them ... Go out into the street? Fe ... We need to work ....

    On the forum, I look overnight the pseudo-patriotic sobs and squeals subsided ??? Understand - no one brings happiness on bayonets .... And in my opinion the multimillion-dollar Donetsk, Kharkov do not want independence at all, they are happy with everything .. Moreover, they are not even Ukrainians now, but the descendants of the Great Power of Invincible Ukrov, to whom they subservient Rome, and in front of the Cossack ataman Godrilla (read Atilla) all Europe bowed. And near Kromy, a hundred remote Cossacks smashed the 60 000 army of Muscovites to pieces and didn’t even get a saber, chased them (this is when Basmanov went over to the side of Dmitry Ioannovich and gave the command of his 60 000 army to swear to him. That's how you can turn the fact)
  43. Santor
    Santor April 8 2014 10: 21
    +2
    Quote: Thought Giant
    Bandyugan will not leave people alone until they (bandyugan) are destroyed. But here it is necessary to help the people of the southeast. But our leadership is silent, all the signs that the Russians are being drained. If this happens, then Putin will lose all the points that he collected before that, the people will not forgive him this drain.

    Giant of thought ??? Have you ever had a feeling of something incomprehensible and surreal? So - the "uprising" in the South East was organized by the SBU, read the CIA.

    1. While the flywheel of negative economic reforms has not yet gained strength, it is necessary to crush any dissent in the East and Southeast. To do this, it’s necessary to drive into the heads of ukrov, with full ownership of the information space, that a handful who spoke out, and that’s exactly it, are just Moscow mercenaries and disguised FSB agents striving to tear off another piece from long-suffering Ukraine.
    To do this, it is urgent to bring people to the streets - and those who are hesitant and supportive will be eliminated immediately. Let the couple go out, figure out the activists and slowly transplant them. Introduce martial law and judge by the laws of war - give astronomical dates. Do it all publicly.

    2. Putting Putin in an uncomfortable position, as in the case of Crimea, is impossible to bring in troops, because this will immediately provoke a storm of anger all over the world and the troops will run into the most powerful resistance of people whose brains are so brainwashed now that many sincerely believe that after the sanctions in Russia already hunger, empty store shelves, people flee from cities to villages so that they would not be taken to the military commissariats.
    These people are ethnic Russians, after treatment they hate any Russian and Moscow in particular, they will throw tanks at the rake ...

    Do not send troops - again in Kiev Paruby will ride and scream to the whole world - Putin pi..dun, promised to protect the Russians, and where are his troops? ??? Look, the Russian Ukraine - he does not need you, he needs Ukrainian land without ukrov ....


    The Giants of Thoughts and Little Mukki will yell the same in Russia in cuisines .... Everything ... The Ukrainian authorities will not give a reason, all the more recently two statements were made in the West - Barroso said that the question of Ukraine’s accession to the EU is not even worth it in the near future ... And the German Minister of Defense said that there could be no talk of any admission to NATO, and the fact that the West, in particular NATO, will fight on the side of Ukraine with Russia, is stupidity spread by the Ukrainian media,

    Judging by all his posts, Little Muk is an experienced and well-trained provocateur ... Spars like in a training manual.
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 8 2014 11: 56
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      Thanks for the flattering review. But if you look at my komenty to other articles, it looks like your thoughts with a good treatment of others, you can pass off as glorious pearls.
      By the way, the comment is not bad even + put, but before you blame someone, it would be nice to look in the mirror.
      I express my opinion on the basis of realities and do not consider myself a super strategist. And in discussions with SMART people, maybe I can improve my education. That's the whole METHODOLOGY.
  44. 51064
    51064 April 8 2014 11: 50
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    Quote: Santor
    The Ukrainian authorities will not give a reason, especially the other day two statements were made in the West - Barroso said that the question of Ukraine’s accession to the EU is not even in the near future ... And the German defense minister said that there would be no talk of NATO membership maybe, but the fact that the West, in particular NATO will fight on the side of Ukraine with Russia, is stupidity spread by the Ukrainian media,
    Statements by Barroso and the German Minister of Defense can be left to their conscience. The United States and Europe as a whole will continue to bend their line. The fact that admission to NATO and the EU will not be in the foreseeable future, I think is obvious even without their statements, which are most likely just a signal. In the East and Southeast of Ukraine, Transdniestria could have taken place sooner, but this is hardly realistic. Lugansk and Donetsk are in doubt. Kharkov and the rest - even more so.
  45. razved
    razved April 8 2014 12: 28
    0
    Most of the people in the East and South wait at best (and how many are there with brainwashed - about half). And he will wait until he sees a potential winner.