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"The Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia"

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"The Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia"But we must remember that NATO generals did not fight seriously


A well-known publicist, author of the book “Why America Comes On,” Andrei Parshev analyzes the information that NATO has decided to step up cooperation with Ukraine.

Ukrainian army will have to build again

- Now comes a lot of reports that the NATO bloc penetrates into Ukraine and strengthens its positions there. In particular, the alliance declares the importance of creating an efficient army in Ukraine. It is clear that the Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia. These statements say a lot, but we now turn to the actual content of these words.

NATO exercises in Ukraine occurred before, so there is nothing extraordinary in this. For some time the alliance used the landfill site of Ukraine, but the NATO military did not really use the territory of the Crimea, in particular, due to the sharp protests of the Crimeans. There were cases when the western military picketed and blocked the locals. So, at least this year there is nothing supernatural in the program of the teachings.

NATO proposes to increase the staff of military instructors, advisers and their representatives in Kiev. But with such forces nothing substantial can be done, and I think this is only the strengthening of military intelligence on the territory of Ukraine. To create a modern army, comparable in its capabilities with the Russian, in the near future is impossible.

The army will have to build again, and it's not in stock weapons, which, by the way, is enough in Ukraine now. The problem is in organization, supply and provision. If a tank of thirty years of age can be used in modern warfare, then communications, reconnaissance and target designation equipment must be modern. This applies to armored vehicles, aviation, helicopters and so on.

Large-scale conflict between the Ukrainian and Russian peoples is almost impossible.

But where to get the money for the implementation of such re-equipment? All proposals to strengthen the army of Ukraine come precisely at a time when the economy is on the brink. There are no resources even to pay for the current needs of the state and society. Under these conditions, spending tens of billions of dollars on "defense" is simply fantastic, or rather, fantasy.

NATO generals did not fight seriously. The generation that participated in the Vietnam War is gone. The current officers are accustomed to other types of conflicts, but they also need to understand that for modern war, logistics and economics are much more important than weapons. And there is also a moral moment: the NATO leadership understands that a large-scale conflict between the Ukrainian and Russian peoples is almost impossible.

In Western Ukraine, relevant public opinion polls were made, and it turned out that only 30% of respondents were ready to fight the Russians, even in the event of aggression from Russia. At the same time 30% would like to fight on the side of Russia, and 40% answered that they intend not to participate in this conflict. And if such data were obtained in the West of Ukraine, then what then to say about Eastern?

I do not recall such surveys in the east of Ukraine, but I think for NATO members the sociological statistics will be even more discouraging. Even if the problems of the Ukrainian economy are solved, how seriously does the alliance intend to build up the might of the military machine of Ukraine? How much will NATO be sure that the same military machine will not turn against the alliance?
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  1. Monk
    Monk April 8 2014 14: 58
    +21
    "The Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia"


    Ukrainian? Army? - good joke.
    1. Canep
      Canep April 8 2014 15: 10
      +19
      Quote: Monk
      Ukrainian? Army? - good joke.

      It looks like hemp supplies to the USA have already begun, what they call the army is not a stretch amy.
      1. andrewvlg
        andrewvlg April 8 2014 16: 19
        +6
        Quote: Canep
        It looks like hemp supplies to the USA have already begun, what they call the army is not a stretch amy

        It looks like the author of the article has already "smoked" a trial batch, the article is extremely meaningless. The author states at the beginning of the article:
        It is clear that the Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia.

        And ends:
        At the same time, 30% would like to fight on the side of Russia, and 40% replied that they intend not to participate in this conflict.

        Is it not clear to this unfortunate analyst that NATO needs bases near Rostov, possibly on the Black Sea? Strong Ukrainian. the army, on the contrary, can throw out foreign troops and even create a threat to the allies in Europe. Therefore, none of NATO is going to strengthen the evil forces.
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg April 8 2014 17: 48
          0
          Interestingly, the one who minusanul my comment can explain what he does not agree with? If this is the author of the article, then you can not explain.
          1. elmi
            elmi April 8 2014 18: 01
            +5
            "The Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia"

            They probably sleep and see how to bleed Ukrainians and Russians, once they managed to get into the Chechen company. But we quickly learn and will not let us bleed a second time.
      2. larand
        larand April 8 2014 17: 17
        0
        No, it’s only from Obama’s cookies.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 15: 14
      +14
      In particular, the alliance declares the importance of creating a combat-ready army in Ukraine. It is clear that the Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia.
      Bets on the Georgian army did not work laughing
      1. smel
        smel April 8 2014 16: 44
        +4
        To rake the heat with someone else's hands is the eternal rule of the Anglo-Saxon rabble. For the sake of creating a hostile state on the borders of Russia, they are ready for anything. Only now, retribution still gets to their territory.
    3. Siberian19
      Siberian19 April 8 2014 15: 27
      +32
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/849/rolj696.jpg
    4. zzz
      zzz April 8 2014 15: 56
      +3
      Quote: Monk
      "The Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia"


      Ukrainian? Army? - good joke.


      I mean the terrorists from the right sector, I think.
    5. bomg.77
      bomg.77 April 8 2014 16: 07
      +7
      Quote: Monk
      Ukrainian? Army? - good joke.
      And after 5-10 years?
      Ukrainians are great fighters, and in order for them to fight with Russia, the West will lend them as much equipment as they need.
      It’s not worth it so scornfully ... once we have already neglected that we have got the current Ukraine, which needs to be proved that fascism is bad.
      6 tanks saw the news in Lugansk! And now Aksyonov still reports.
      Sergey Aksyonov @AksenovCrimea 12 min.
      15 armored personnel carriers are already in Lugansk. 15 tanks against a peaceful people that asks for only one thing: a normal and peaceful life ...
      1. max702
        max702 April 8 2014 18: 08
        +5
        I completely agree with you, the West has always had problems with the morale of the warring, but with the technical, material support, logistics, organization and others it has always been excellent! So they found good soldiers (Ukrainians) right now they are brainwashing in the direction they need, and they will supply the necessary equipment and weapons, this is not a problem for the West. They will have to fight not with stupid timid Georgians, but with Ukrainians close in mentality and spirit .. Alas, but everything goes to this ..
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 April 8 2014 18: 13
          0
          Quote: max702
          I completely agree with you,
          Yes Max, that’s exactly what I was trying to say.
          You did better hi
        2. servo777
          servo777 April 8 2014 22: 37
          0
          I support. Unfortunately, it’s not the peoples who decide to fight or make friends, but their rulers. I would not overestimate fraternal feelings - recall Cain and Abel. The inevitable growth of economic difficulties and social tension can sweep away the fascist junta, but it can also skillfully channel into anti-Russian sentiments. It will require very smart and subtle diplomacy.
          It seems to me that the main emphasis should be shifted from the issue of federalization to discrediting the ruling junta, exposing its puppeteers. We must fight for the minds and hearts of the vast majority of Ukrainians and those who sow enmity between us!
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 8 2014 20: 48
        +1
        Quote: bomg.77
        Ukrainians are great warriors, and in order for them to fight with Russia, the West will lend them as much equipment as they need


        Only TOGETHER with the RUSSIANS, without us they are not warriors, so take a walk, a Makhnovism with Petliurism, and Bandera are not Ukrainians at all ... and the polished Uniates are Greek Catholics ...
    6. Homo
      Homo April 8 2014 18: 13
      -1
      This is a continuation of a joke called the Georgian army!
    7. maks-101
      maks-101 April 8 2014 18: 36
      0
      Ukrainian? Army? - good joke.
      Ukrainian army is looking for someone to surrender.
    8. Lelek
      Lelek April 8 2014 19: 11
      +3
      NATO gorillas don't need a strong Ukrainian army. They need meat, which they then roll up, level out with a bulldozer and put the radar and RU in this place in the direction of Russia. And hemp is well poured on meat.
    9. Cherdak
      Cherdak April 8 2014 19: 38
      0
      Quote: Monk
      Ukrainian? Army? - good joke.
    10. APASUS
      APASUS April 8 2014 21: 08
      0
      Quote: Monk
      Ukrainian? Army? - good joke.

      This is not a joke, unfortunately.
      After all, some 10-15 years ago it was not even possible to imagine such a course of events. And now flags with portraits of Bandera and Shukhevych are hanging in the center of Kiev and the crowd is shouting "Glory to the Heroes".
      Another 15 years, and a new frenzied generation will grow up, which for the sandwich from mcdonalds will be told that Russian animals, they eat little children.
      And there, to hammer into the immature heads the idea of ​​a liberation war - a couple of trifles.
    11. 225chay
      225chay April 8 2014 22: 43
      0
      Quote: Monk
      "The Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia"


      Committee 300, Bilderbergs are doing everything to pit 2 fraternal peoples and they partially succeeded ...
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 8 2014 15: 00
    +14
    In particular, the alliance declares the importance of creating a combat-ready army in Ukraine.

    I remember in Georgia they already did something similar ... the result is known.
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 April 8 2014 15: 04
      +6
      For the past twenty years they have only attacked with statements. Well, sometimes weak countries are being destroyed in a gangster fashion.
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 8 2014 15: 27
      +13
      Quote: svp67
      I remember in Georgia they already did something similar ... the result is known.

      The fundamental difference between the events in Georgia and Ukraine is (let the Georgians forgive me, but it’s obvious!) That, by and large, we were NOT sorry for the Georgians! Why? We saw their rabid anti-Russian policy, they are not ethnically close to us, and not the last the role was played by the factor that representatives of Georgians in Russia themselves cause negative emotions in Russians (this is mild).
      With Ukraine, almost EVERYTHING is the opposite! They and we are one ethnos, representatives (of which I am visiting for the time being) who we see every day do not cause rejection, the hysteria that we see on TV certainly infuriates us, but we hope for re-education.
      How right are we? It is not yet clear. One thing is clear: the section of Etropia-Dill is inevitable!
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 April 8 2014 15: 45
        +4
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        about the big score of Georgians we were not sorry

        Well, Ukrainians are now doing everything to ensure that they are not sorry. At least those with weapons. So much dirt has been poured on the Russians over these months, that Ukraine will now have to launder for a long time.
      2. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. April 8 2014 16: 01
        +1
        Yes, we live among them, they are among us, but still I hate those who do not
        will see.
    3. asar
      asar April 8 2014 20: 38
      -1
      Yes, we patted them tightly at the withers! laughing
      1. asar
        asar April 9 2014 14: 30
        0
        They battered, battered! Though not for long!
  3. Yarik
    Yarik April 8 2014 15: 00
    +7
    "The Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia"

    Well, so how will it end with Georgia, only in the case of Georgia we stayed there a bit and left ... I won’t continue, they will blame extremism laughing
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 April 8 2014 17: 41
      +2
      Compare Georgia with Ukraine?
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  5. svetlomor
    svetlomor April 8 2014 15: 02
    +5
    "The Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia"
    How not to build the army of Ukraine or refuse to fight with Russia or get "Galicia" capable only of punitive operations, and then who will fight with the Russians ?!
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 April 8 2014 15: 07
      +12
      soldiers from the East and South are unreliable will never fight with the Russians, with some exceptions. But the Zapadentsi are ready, but there are very few of them. Even the number of Galicia does not gain.
      The crowd of buffoons from their new guard doesn’t count at all - they are a bunch of bandits and perverts who dared to plunder, force and kill.
      One Ukrainian from Kiev once said that the Zapadents are not Ukrainians, but a mixture of Poles and Balts. In any conflict between west and east, they will immediately begin to kill and rape eastern fellow citizens, because they belong to the jackal nation of the western world.
    2. aleks700
      aleks700 April 8 2014 17: 43
      +2
      So they will carry out a punitive operation. Of course, they will not fight with Russia. But Russians in Ukraine are on their knees.
  6. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 8 2014 15: 03
    +7
    In a month or two, when pensions and salaries arrears are finally formed in the West and the East, when there is nothing to buy, and the products begin to disappear due to the bankruptcy of stores, then the culmination of the collapse of the country will be the culmination. And no Russian troops will have to go there and in western Ukraine will rise those who, although they like Bandera and Shukhevych, want to eat and pay taxes and utilities from something, too.
    1. andrey682006
      andrey682006 April 8 2014 15: 32
      +5
      But so far on nat. They find money for the guard - they take it from pensioners, teachers - but they find it. what
      1. max702
        max702 April 8 2014 18: 12
        +3
        They will find money for the war with Russia in the required quantities, as well as equipment and equipment .. rations have already been sent ..
  7. Arhj
    Arhj April 8 2014 15: 05
    +4
    "The Ukrainian army will have to be rebuilt"

    It is very possible that you will not have to. Looking at what is shown on the news, very soon the concept of "Ukraine" may become historical.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 April 8 2014 15: 48
      +2
      Quote: Arhj
      very soon the concept of "Ukraine" may become historical.

      The history of Ukraine was very short-lived. The music played for a very short time. "Ukraine has not died yet .."
  8. nokki
    nokki April 8 2014 15: 06
    +9
    NATO needs a conflict like in Syria. Suppose (hypothetically) that Russia is now introducing troops into Ukraine. 100500 percent that they march quickly to Uzhgorod. There will, of course, be local outbreaks of zombied resistance, but there will be no mass opposition. That's what they are afraid of!
  9. igorra
    igorra April 8 2014 15: 06
    +13
    For gentlemen claiming world domination, please contact the old addresses: Do not contact Kulikovo, Borodino, Stalingrad, we will deliver the packages to your home.
  10. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 8 2014 15: 07
    +3
    The word "Army" is generally of little use to the present state. We need territory and service personnel, without any special pretensions, to install our missile defense system.
  11. konvalval
    konvalval April 8 2014 15: 11
    +2
    Serious decisions and actions must be taken while they will create their combat effectiveness.
  12. waisson
    waisson April 8 2014 15: 16
    +15
    no one wants to fight with Russia on their territory and they can use Ukraine as a training ground
    1. waisson
      waisson April 8 2014 21: 22
      0
      ----------- laughing hi
  13. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 8 2014 15: 19
    +9
    To tell you the truth, now is not a joke. With the anti-Russian brainwashing of Ukrainians that the Ukrainian authorities arranged in recent years, a notable result has already been achieved. Already in many Ukrainian heads sits the negative image of Russia as an enemy. With the help of NATO in Ukraine, they can create a combat-ready army, which will be purposefully prepared to fight with us. And if then there will be war, then we will have considerable losses. Therefore, in order to prevent future huge losses, it is necessary now to send troops to Ukraine, to gouge their army until it poses a special threat. But Ukraine should be divided, southeast, the center should be taken away, the west should be given to the geyropa. Once and for all, eliminate the source of the threat to the existence of our state. This, if you think strategically.
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 April 8 2014 17: 48
      +1
      Here! Well done! But it seems that Russian bankers have already said their weighty word and Russian troops will not budge. Alas.
    2. max702
      max702 April 8 2014 18: 17
      +1
      I agree it will only get worse, I'm afraid we missed a strategic initiative, it was necessary to repel the southeast while we were in shock from the Crimea, but we did not see the necessary resources, and it seems that the elite turned on the back .. The depletion war begins, and even the USSR didn’t pulled .. if we think globally for years to come.
  14. Mihail177
    Mihail177 April 8 2014 15: 20
    +4
    The NATO leadership understands that a large-scale conflict between the Ukrainian and Russian peoples is practically impossible.
    Not yet possible (?). Right now, ukrov against Russia is pumped up and away we go ... Well, you just can’t take UA like this and throw it at the mercy of Bender and Amer !!
  15. inkass_98
    inkass_98 April 8 2014 15: 22
    +2
    As usual, NATO gentlemen prefer to act as puppeteers. The trouble is that puppets are always and with great pleasure. As soon as the slave ear hears the ringing of the rolling money, a stampede immediately appears among those who want to raise it, not realizing that, firstly, the money is alone and not enough for everyone, someone will be out of work with a broken muzzle and torn pants, and secondly, this money will either have to be worked out or given back with non-acidic interest.
  16. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot April 8 2014 15: 23
    +6
    There once was a wolf, and once there was a sheep.
    The sheep strayed from the herd, got lost in the forest, and remained to live there. A wolf is a forest home. The wolf and the sheep met, and made friends with each other ...
  17. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 8 2014 15: 28
    +6
    Ukraine, join Poland to yourself! To direct energy there and everything is in shock!
  18. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch April 8 2014 15: 30
    +4
    ... a large-scale conflict between the Ukrainian and Russian peoples is almost impossible ...

    Everything in this world flows and changes. Until recently, no one could have imagined that such a "Sabbath" would take place in Ukraine. Another generation of "zombies", and the war is quite real ... To work, work and work again, as the great Lenin bequeathed ...
  19. polite people
    polite people April 8 2014 15: 31
    +2
    While the Ukrainian army is being built, a new shiz in Kiev.
    Who does not lie is M ... KAL. New - Maydanutykh).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6X7_XggDSM
    1. VNP1958PVN
      VNP1958PVN April 8 2014 15: 36
      +7
      Mistake came out-WHO DOESN'T LIE THAT M. SKAL! So believable!
  20. GradusHuK
    GradusHuK April 8 2014 15: 32
    +4
    Not a hat for Senka! It was good for Europe and America after the collapse of the USSR. The rich also got high. They did whatever they wanted. This time has passed, cut the gentlemen of the imperialists on your nose !!!
  21. Samarets
    Samarets April 8 2014 15: 33
    +10
    Hello, dear members of the Military Review forum !!!
    With your permission, I will express my opinion on Ukraine and the situation that has developed there.
    The thesis "A large-scale conflict between the Ukrainian and Russian peoples is practically impossible" expressed in the article, I consider belittling the problem in relations between our peoples. I communicate with 4 comrades from Ukraine (together with families it works better), in which I previously worked or worked, and so our communication is increasingly taking on the form of confrontation. We seem to be looking at the coin from different sides - I see "heads", and they are "tails"! And it's scary.
    1. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK April 8 2014 15: 35
      +3
      Information war in action.
    2. Nitarius
      Nitarius April 8 2014 15: 40
      +2
      Respected! When you REGISTER ON THE SAME DAY!
      THEN start to torment me vague --- DO NOT YOU WORK ON-US STATE DEPARTMENT!
      And then here like you BLOGERS a whole bunch! from behind a hillock or LOCAL SALES BROADCAST!
    3. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 8 2014 15: 51
      +1
      I also noticed a change in awareness of what is happening with us and they have exactly the opposite, even ordinary people become much angrier
  22. zao74
    zao74 April 8 2014 15: 36
    +4
    What are we thinking about ?! What is the war with Ukraine? It's like starting to bite your leg ... Bullshit. If the fooled Ukrainian youth is ready for this, then there is an older generation that remembers that we are one nation. This is well proven by events in the southeast.
    Ukraine, chase the corrupt ass * kov, take the stupefied youth in the "iron grip" and welcome home!
  23. komod77
    komod77 April 8 2014 15: 38
    +14
    Intermediate standoffs
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    2. bubalik
      bubalik April 8 2014 15: 53
      +13
      komod77 SU  Today, 15: 38
      wink
  24. Rominag
    Rominag April 8 2014 15: 38
    +1
    To the level of the NATO army, the Ukrainian still saw and saw for decades.
    Who is ready to sponsor such a chic banquet of the "new clothes" of the Ukrainian army - even with all the desire, it is doubtful that the pro-Western "sponsors" will find money for such a holiday of the soul, not to mention Ukraine itself, who do not have such money and are not expected in the foreseeable future.
    Well, in light of the instability that Ukraine is showing, they will probably think three hundred times about "that it is better not to have serious business with these bees."

    Another thing is that under some sort of sauce, they can try with the pro-Western government to try to advance their missile defense systems, and here of course you need to keep an eye on it.
  25. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 8 2014 15: 39
    +1
    Well, the figures are good - 30% on the side of the Russian Federation, this is a poll with pressure from the authorities on the head, also in the west!
  26. mackonya
    mackonya April 8 2014 15: 39
    +1
    There will be no war against Russia in the traditional sense, an information war has been going on for a long time, a political one is only coming to a conclusion and the most interesting thing is yet to come, I think there will always be an economic war and this is normal. Well, maybe someone else will add an ideological war, but here I can not say anything "for" or "against" because I am not strong, I live in another region (completely different). And civil confrontation in any form will be for sure, the East of Ukraine and the West are too different in many ways.
  27. mamont5
    mamont5 April 8 2014 15: 41
    0
    "It is absolutely clear that NATO needs the Ukrainian army for the war against Russia."
    rolls over. And we will stand and look at it. Oh well...
  28. 3vs
    3vs April 8 2014 15: 44
    +2
    It’s time for Gazprom to raise the question by the edge - either pay for gas, or pay for you for gas
    your European friends, or block the pipe in Ukraine.
    Enough of this arrogance.
    Europeans do not want to build a southern stream, let them sit without gas.
    There is extra money, let them lick your ass on the naughty Saxons, spend money on weapons.
    When Ukraine comes full, I think it will not be up to NATO.
  29. Cherdak
    Cherdak April 8 2014 15: 48
    +3
    You just have to scatter like leaflets.
    And the world turning into a feast will immediately come.
    1. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 April 8 2014 17: 03
      +2
      Hmm, in the 95th they didn’t feed us like that. and served 2 years. why so unfair then?
      1. Turkir
        Turkir April 8 2014 19: 16
        0
        And I wasn’t so fed 71 \ 72
  30. sv68
    sv68 April 8 2014 15: 57
    +1
    if NATO members rearm the army at their own expense, ukroiny improve their infrastructure, allocate money for repairs and purchase fuels and lubricants, build housing at their own expense, of course. Only then NATO will be able to say that there was an army in ukroin, but ... there will be two questions whether we need NATO will have such disastrous expenses and whether the new army, accustomed to a freebie, wants to fight with someone. And the current state of the Ukrainian army suggests only the existence of the army and no more
  31. Luga
    Luga April 8 2014 15: 58
    +1
    About thirty percent of those surveyed in the Western countries who are ready to fight on the side of Russia - what is this?
    I have relatives and acquaintances in the Western world who have no insider information sources at all, I can only judge from the news what is going on there. What kind of people live there? How many of them, arms, legs, eyes, what is the ratio of the mass of the spinal cord and the brain, not to mention their moods, thoughts and beliefs, I do not know.
    But if this is true, I'm talking about thirty percent who are ready to fight for Russia, then I don’t understand anything at all. Explain someone, maybe just a study was carried out after everyone left for the Maidan?
  32. lexx2038
    lexx2038 April 8 2014 16: 00
    +3
    Yes, you just need to take and enter Ukraine before they have killed each other, most Ukrainians will be only FOR, well, with the exception of a few corrupt letters, and outright bandits. And do not be afraid of the United States with the euro, they would not be bought, if they could, then they would. They will whistle from the high stands which Russians are not good, and that’s it. You just need to crank it up instantly so that there is a junta in the evening, and in the morning wake up - Hello to the USSR, and milk for 30 kopecks in glass bottles! There is no one to talk to, illegitimate authorities, usurpers, just bandits, what negotiations? Catch like mad dogs, and judge in a cage.
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  34. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 April 8 2014 16: 02
    +6
    During the Great Patriotic War, General Vlasov formed a million-strong ROA from prisoners and defectors, but Hitler until the last refused to fully equip it and send it to the eastern front, rightly fearing that its units would surrender immediately or go over to the side of the Red Army. Similarly, the Bulgarian units, even though the brothers were in the camp of our enemies, did not fight a day with our army. Recall the 1st World War, Czechoslovakia, being part of Austria-Hungary, massively surrendered to us at the first clash!
    1. bubalik
      bubalik April 8 2014 16: 33
      0
      Vyacheslav 64 RU  Today, 16: 02
      Similarly, the Bulgarian units, even though the brothers were in the camp of our enemies, did not fight a day with our army. Recall the world’s 1, Czechoslovakians, being part of Austria-Hungary, were massively surrendered to us at the very first clash!


      ,,, but what about the uprising of the Czechoslovak Corps 1918г ,,,,?
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  35. Nonik
    Nonik April 8 2014 16: 14
    0
    Quote: mojohed2012
    One Ukrainian from Kiev once said that the Zapadents are not Ukrainians, but a mixture of Poles and Balts. In any conflict between west and east, they will immediately begin to kill and rape eastern fellow citizens, because they belong to the jackal nation of the western world.
    This is a very far-fetched point of view.
    Quote: Luga
    About thirty percent of those surveyed in the Western countries who are ready to fight on the side of Russia, is that? I have relatives and acquaintances in the Western region who have no insider information at all, I can only judge what’s going on from the news. What kind of people live there?
    Normal people live there. There are relatives and acquaintances in Lviv and Lviv region. I will not say anything bad, although some of my friends have anti-Russian rhetoric. In general, people are mostly kind. With the exception of Bandera, and such an annoying moment as a street named after the bandit Bandera in Lviv.
  36. gfhjkm
    gfhjkm April 8 2014 16: 18
    +1
    Ban Ki-moon made a surprise to the whole Southeast
    WHAT A NEWS!!! TV - English channel showed: Yesterday Ban Ki-moon made an interesting statement at the UN, and for some reason the Ukrainian media stubbornly remain silent about it. The fact is that the UN Security Council in
    once again examined the issue of Ukraine, and experts made the following conclusion under international law: it turns out
    that since the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine has not conducted or properly registered with the UN the demarcation of its borders as a state.
    They remain along the borders of the administrative district of the USSR in accordance with the usual treaty within the CIS, which the UN does not have legal force.

    Since the country does not have its official border within the framework of international law, there is no reason to talk about its violation by anyone. Also no
    reason to talk about separatism, i.e. forcibly changing the configuration of the border. You cannot change that which does not exist.
  37. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 8 2014 16: 20
    +1
    Let them deliver, we need trophies) Yes, update the samples!)
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 April 8 2014 16: 26
      +9
      Quote: Voenruk
      Let them deliver, we need trophies) Yes, update the samples!)

  38. nomad74
    nomad74 April 8 2014 16: 31
    +2
    In the foreseeable future, a conflict is possible, if the federation with the southeast does not work, then there will be no buffer! And in a few years there will be no veterans, the youth will be fooled by ukro-media, everyone will become Svidomo, and I suspect that in Ukrainian society everyone will compete in Russophobia, Serving themselves before the owners! So brothers and sisters will be better prepared for war! Our willingness and determination is the guarantor of a peaceful environment and an element of deterrence in Ukraine!
  39. Victor-M
    Victor-M April 8 2014 16: 54
    0
    Vague doubts torment me:
    1. Somehow, with the annexation of Crimea, information about the order of the Ukrainian power junta, tailoring of the uniform of the Russian army was lost, and it is sewn.
    2. On TV, Western and Ukrainian media constantly hear words about the threat of an invasion of the RF Armed Forces on the territory of Ukraine, hysteria is being fueled among the Ukrainian population about the "bloodthirsty" Russians (these are our brothers, the same Russians as we are).
    3. The pulling together of the troops of Ukraine and the "national band.guard" reinforced by militants from American PMCs to the border with Russia.
    4. Strengthening the military contingent of NATO in the neighboring countries of Russia - members of the alliance.
    All this kotovasiya promoted by the West resembles the provocation of Nazi Germany before the start of the attack on Poland, and then on Russia. It looks like some kind of grand provocation against Russia is being prepared, the brains are being washed, the "public" opinion about the already chosen "aggressor" is being actively prepared. Isn't it time to take a proactive step?
  40. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 April 8 2014 16: 54
    +8
    Precisely, the Ukrainian military will defeat all the MOSCSA.L.X.C.I.X. occupiers and their fighting bears by singing the national anthem. wassat
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War April 8 2014 18: 54
      0
      laughing oh and made fun!))))))))))
    2. ioann1
      ioann1 April 8 2014 19: 15
      0
      well, well, Smeshariki zapadenskie ...
      1. Barsik
        Barsik April 9 2014 01: 12
        0
        visionaries damn laughing
        Salo dropped wassat Heroam Sala fool laughing
    3. ssskalinin
      ssskalinin April 9 2014 01: 24
      0
      If Russia needed this escalation, the scenario would be completely different. Let’s think that all the protests in eastern Ukraine were invented in Kiev and Washington to pit Russians
    4. ssskalinin
      ssskalinin April 9 2014 01: 29
      0
      Hi guys, I’m a new user, I don’t understand the interface, help write [email protected] thanks in advance
  41. pOpolzen
    pOpolzen April 8 2014 16: 55
    +3
    No, full-scale military actions on the territory of dill, by definition, should not be. SOME. Theoretically, Russia’s opponents could be NATO and the United States, although they are greyhounds, it’s not at all the desire of those who control them to send in regular troops. Yes, there may be mercenaries armed to the teeth, but they will not be able to provide any definitive resistance against our guys who have passed hot spots. Well, what will they do against tactical and frontline aviation. On our part, losses would be inevitable, but they are at the root and quickly, very quickly.
    OUR BUSINESS IS RIGHT! VICTORY WILL BE OURS!
  42. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 April 8 2014 16: 59
    +3
    mattress creatures, what restless you are. still have the hope of destroying the Russian world. everything is numb to you.
    X ,,, th you all over the erysipelas.
  43. indiggo
    indiggo April 8 2014 17: 23
    +1
    you need to start with yourself. you need to exercise more, drink less. need to rethink the attitude towards life. you yourself understand this ...
  44. Gardamir
    Gardamir April 8 2014 17: 28
    0
    Large-scale conflict between the Ukrainian and Russian peoples is almost impossible.
    alas, I do not agree. Already now Lviv cops are beating not sparing Donetsk peasants. And judging by the communication in social networks, I understand how many were brainwashed. Unfortunately, many believe that "Ukrainians" are a European nation and they hate Russians. And it would be okay zapadentsy, but in the east there are enough of them.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda April 8 2014 17: 39
      0
      Do not forget, for the grandmother.
  45. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 8 2014 17: 33
    0
    Quote: indiggo
    drink less.

    I agree, but sometimes I feel like it ... after the news.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 8 2014 19: 13
      0
      I agree, but sometimes I feel like it ... after the news.

      with a gun on his lap.
  46. Migari
    Migari April 8 2014 17: 39
    +2
    Quote: Monk
    "The Ukrainian army needs NATO for the war against Russia"


    Ukrainian? Army? - good joke.

    Nothing funny, here is one of the autonomous wars.
  47. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 8 2014 17: 52
    +2
    How can you fight without air cover. In Belbek there were as many as 8 serviceable aircraft, including the training L-39, In ​​Ivano-Frankovsk and Melitopol, the situation is no better, Yes, Russia will roll us apart without even using attack aircraft, the Mi-35 will cope. Answer with old "OSA AK-m" or "Bukami" 25 years ago ... It makes no sense to put active interference and dosvidos ... I saw it myself, I know, there is a complete mess on the review screen ..
  48. Artem1967
    Artem1967 April 8 2014 17: 56
    +1
    How confident will NATO be that the same military machine will not turn against the alliance?

    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! Moreover, all the latest weapons from Ukraine will quickly be in Russia. So NATO strategists need to scratch the pumpkin tightly before arming Nezalezhnaya!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 8 2014 18: 15
      +1
      Quote: Artem1967
      all the latest weapons from Ukraine will quickly be in Russia

      Who will give them the latest samples ??? Unless there is a connection, and even then ... In Ukraine, especially in the western and central regions, the intensity of hatred for Russia is quite high, therefore, having armed these scumbags from their old reserves, the West will get cannon fodder ready for anything. Naturally, this "army" is not capable of resisting Russia, but it can start.
  49. delfinN
    delfinN April 8 2014 18: 09
    +3
    The Ruins have no boundaries! Therefore, there is no right to roll to the Donbass or Kharkov.
    It turns out that Ban Ki-moon made an interesting statement at the UN yesterday, and for some reason the Ukrainian media are stubbornly silent about him! ..
    The fact is that the UN Security Council once again considered the issue of Ukraine, and experts made the following conclusion in the framework of international law: it turns out that since the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine has not carried out and did not properly register with the UN the demarcation of its borders as a state .. They remain along the borders of the administrative district of the USSR, according to the usual treaty within the CIS, which the UN does not have legal force.

    Since the country does not have its official border within the framework of international law, there is no reason to talk about its violation by anyone.

    There is also no reason to talk about separatism, i.e. forcibly changing the configuration of the border.
    You cannot change that which does not exist! It turns out that Ban Ki-moon made an interesting statement at the UN yesterday, and for some reason the Ukrainian media are stubbornly silent about him! ..

    The fact is that the UN Security Council once again considered the issue of Ukraine, and experts made the following conclusion in the framework of international law: it turns out that since the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine has not carried out and did not properly register with the UN the demarcation of its borders as a state .. They remain along the borders of the administrative district of the USSR, according to the usual treaty within the CIS, which the UN does not have legal force.

    Since the country does not have its official border within the framework of international law, there is no reason to talk about its violation by anyone.

    There is also no reason to talk about separatism, i.e. forcibly changing the configuration of the border.
    You cannot change that which does not exist!

    http://www.moscow-post.com/news/ukraine/001245160550985/
  50. balamut
    balamut April 8 2014 18: 11
    +1
    well guys you shouldn't be so categorical! In 5-7 years, with the support of NATO in Ukraine, it is quite possible to create an efficient army, the backbone of which will be radicals. The scenario will most likely be Georgian, but believe me, NATO has already drawn the appropriate conclusions from the failure of the Georgian campaign. And what is most sad is that not recognizing Crimea will allow them to carry out the appropriate indoctrination in the "new" troops. A new Crimean war is quite possible, but not now, but in 10 years, when Europe will create alternative schemes for the supply of energy resources. Another question is, what will we do to prevent this from happening ???