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East "okhlos". On the "strategy" of scientific elites of Ukrainian origin

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Professor of Tallinn Law School Eugen Tsybulenko (2010 year) in the publication "Delfi":


It is time, rejecting false shame and varenic patriotism, to recognize that in its present form, Ukraine, as an independent state, did not materialize, is doomed and has no prospects. Eastern Ukraine is a very heavy ballast for the state, which will drown the whole country. The idea of ​​catholicity today, alas, does not work. If we do not preserve Ukraine as part of the regions where the Ukrainian people live, and not okhlos, who does not remember either their kinship, or their language, or their stories - we lose everything.


The eastern regions should be temporarily withdrawn from its (Ukraine - approx. Author) composition. Having got rid of the ballast, Western Ukraine will get every opportunity to build a democratic European state and to join the EU and NATO as soon as possible. After this, it will only be necessary to wait for the historical conditions to ripen so that a powerful and successful Ukraine will be able to pick up its former territories, as well as the territories where Ukrainians live compactly.

It will happen much faster than many people think. Europe began to actively get rid of energy dependence, which means that the end of Russia in its current form and, accordingly, its influence is inevitable. The territory of the Russian Federation will begin to quickly fall apart into specific princedoms, and Ukraine will simply be forced to take the protection of Ukrainians living outside its borders.


The day is today. Quote from a post in one of the Ukrainian nationalist media (translation):

To clear the entire south-east of Ukraine from the traitors and wake up the local people, Putin needs to surrender him. I think half a year is enough. More Russia will not survive.


So it turns out that we, dear Russians and not only Russians, have too overestimated our capabilities and opportunities to defend our interests of Russian and Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine ... In fact, Ukraine’s loss of Crimea and its historical reunion with Russia, tectonic shifts in political the life of the East of Ukraine is not at all the willpower of the inhabitants of the Crimean peninsula and the Donbass. And it is not even a failure of the policy of the current haves, as it seems to them, the power in Kiev. All wrong! It turns out that this is a “big strategic plan”, which several years ago, some learned scholars of Ukrainian origin began to nurture in their minds. The strategy is simply monumental: forgive generously, overdue ... a part of the territory of the country Kiev needs here and now so that later ("faster than many people think") Ukraine became stronger, more successful and independent ... From the series: something got sore cut off some things, maybe then two will immediately grow in its place - you will be stronger with three hands ... The strategy is simply phenomenal, and, as you can see, already with many years of "endurance", "fermentation" ...

But it’s not for the first time that one comes across surprising judgments of some well-known representatives of the Ukrainian public who (judgments) relate to the “ideological inferiority” of the east of Ukraine before its west. “Ballast”, “okhlos”, “local folk” and other terms of this kind are all about Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk - regions that provide Ukraine with their work, pulling it out on their backs. But the work “for that zapadenskogo guy”, you see, causes anger among the representatives of the “progressive Ukrainian”. The East must not only feed the West, but also unquestioningly stand up to protect its interests: clap hands at the sight of Bandera portraits, warmly support NATO membership to die somewhere in the jungles of Central Africa or in the sands of the Middle East at the call of the commanders from Paris , Washington, London, speak exclusively in Ukrainian, so as not to cause anger in "Tsybulenko" companions. Although the “little girls” themselves often ignore the “common language” in publications as well, for, apparently, they can’t accumulate a really solid vocabulary for a real “Ukrainian nationalist” ...

So, among the representatives of the “color” of Ukrainian thought, living in the EU (and the same Tsybulenko lives in Estonia, which especially distinguishes the Ukrainian patriot in it ...) the opinion that the east of Ukraine prevents “the whole” Ukraine from developing normally, not uncommon. Only here there are questions: "all of Ukraine" - is that even where? - if from Lviv to Ternopil, then already Polish neighbors may have questions. Warsaw, too, can offer to “temporarily hold” the same Lviv, which “all of Ukraine” received at its disposal only in 1944 year - well, it would wait until Ukraine, as Professor Tsybulenko broadcasts, grow stronger.

If “all Ukraine” is also the Transcarpathian region, then Hungary can take it “for a while” to itself Hungary due to historical nuances. And then suddenly, Uzhgorod will be for the Ukrainian authorities and radical nationalists a ballast with their “okhlos” or “local people” that prevent them from developing in the right direction.

Of course, this is a monumental strategy! You give Tsybulenko to the Ukrainian presidents, and his associates - to the new Ukrainian government! True, their placement may cause obvious problems. Indeed, as long as conditions in Ukraine “mature” so that it becomes “successful and powerful”, then the only Ukrainian territory in the near future can probably be considered, perhaps, the buildings and front gardens of embassies Square in foreign countries, and then this property will not be taken away for debts ... Everything else “for a while” will disperse on its own, so as not to interfere with the flourishing and power generation of “all Ukraine”.

East "okhlos". On the "strategy" of scientific elites of Ukrainian origin

About exactly where "Ukrainian ballast" lies "


With such proposals of the Ukrainian scientific elite, no action is needed even for friends, even for the enemies of Ukraine in general, it’s not necessary to do it - the neighboring country regularly performs the course, entered in the form of a special code. Moreover, the code is also interesting: the self-proclaimed authorities of Ukraine, with foaming at the mouth, prove that the country should remain united, that there are only separatists around, but at the same time these “authorities” are doing everything to make the split full-scale.

In practice, this is a banal unprofessionalism, bordering on stupidity, threatening not only the integrity of Ukraine as a state, but also the very fact of its existence in the future. Epithets in the form of "ballast" and "okhlos" for hard workers from the east of the country are not even a provocation, this is already a clinical situation, all the consequences of which are visible today. Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk.

And here is an example of how the eastern “Ohlos” escorts the “might of Ukraine” back home:

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  1. afire
    afire April 8 2014 08: 18
    +20
    as you don’t see the news with this lip-blind Turchinov, how he folds his lips into a tube, he makes his way to the rzhach. This military pawn looks like gay from Estonia, but what a complacency! Jesters, clowns, crooks of all stripes tear the remnants of Ukrainian independence. These faces are so much embedded in the images of this masquerade that you wonder at how they try to look like serious politicians, realizing that the whole world is laughing at them! tin, we look and hope that this circus will be dispersed, I would like it to be totally, without resurrection in the future.
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk April 8 2014 09: 15
      +11
      Quote: afire
      Jesters, clowns, crooks of all stripes tear the remnants of Ukrainian independence. These faces are so much embedded in the images of this masquerade that you wonder at how they try to look like serious politicians, realizing that the whole world is laughing at them! tin, we look and hope that this circus will be dispersed, I would like it to be totally, without resurrection in the future.


      Ukraine, in fact, all the years of its independence was a chicken coop after a grenade explosion, but now the degree of dullness and idiocy has simply gone wild.
    2. pensioneree
      pensioneree April 8 2014 13: 36
      0
      Could not remember, is this the same FUHU fish? It seems like poisonous, but the Japanese eat (praying in advance?)
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 8 2014 13: 45
        0
        Quote: pensioneree
        It seems like poisonous, but the Japanese eat (praying in advance?)

        you need to cook it, otherwise the buddha will not help.
    3. Ross
      Ross April 8 2014 20: 08
      +2
      Similar to Tsibulenko, Ukrainian strategist Yuriy Romanenko s Khvili. From the initial joy of the "national" revolution of the Maidan, after the Ukrainian Reich began to fail (the West did not intervene, did not give money, there was no army) suddenly seriously suggested ..... surrender to hated Russia! Let the type restore us, hide, live in the new USSR and wait for the hated Russia to fall apart again!
      So the filth will need to be burned with a hot iron.
  2. mamont5
    mamont5 April 8 2014 08: 18
    +12
    "you and I, dear Russians and not only Russians, have overestimated our capabilities and opportunities to defend our interests of Russian and Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine ... In fact, Ukraine's loss of Crimea and its historical reunification with Russia, tectonic shifts in the political life of Eastern Ukraine - this is not at all the willpower of the inhabitants of the Crimean peninsula and Donbass. And this is not even the failure of the policy of the current haves, as they themselves think, the power in Kiev. It's not like that! It turns out that this is a "big strategic plan" that they began to nurture a few years ago certain scholars of Ukrainian origin in their minds. "

    Well, what, during the Great Patriotic War, the Germans also called their retreats "straightening the front line." So, according to this "brilliant plan", the West has to hand over South-Eastern Ukraine and other unnecessary areas to Russia and "they will win." We just forgot that all we need - we will take it ourselves and will not ask permission.
    1. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. April 8 2014 13: 25
      +2
      Everything that is happening now in Ukraine is for a long time, if their pseudo-power thinks to put things in order by force, it’s a complete utopia, the first blood will be shed in this slaughterhouse and that’s all, it will be impossible to stop the process, we understand this, the maidanutas understand this, just don’t understand the dumb the West, as it was stupid, it will remain so. When the economic situation sharply worsens in May, then, and most of all, by the fall after the sixth season, a complete failure of the economy will be revealed, not the issue of salaries, massive salvage, etc., there will be such an explosion that they will sweep away everything from the Maidanut people and their Western puppeteers. They think they will be helped by a curly-haired garish lad, of Negro appearance, of American origin or gdrovka, a member of the Komsomol Merkel, a mare Ashton, but after the Crimea they shake, whine, look at their decisions, then they are for sanctions, then they made a mistake, they turn the Western ass without knowing where it is to attach.
  3. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 April 8 2014 08: 20
    +7
    from the Don.
    These words would be in the ear of the junts! Peace get rid of the Southeast, which drowns Dill, and enter into the city, but they are waiting for you there! laughing
  4. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 8 2014 08: 24
    +5
    Good professors at Tallinn University do not say anything, they ate sprat chtoli? And if you separate the South-East from the rest of Ukraine, what will the rest of Ukraine live on? we could continue to hold a meeting calmly, as they say, what is allowed to Jupiter, not allowed to bull. "
  5. gsg955
    gsg955 April 8 2014 08: 48
    +5
    They always hated us, these Bandera henchmen.
    1. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey April 8 2014 10: 10
      +4
      Everything is right, the Western woman is Great Polish, the gentry again - the principles of these masters have not changed from the past centuries, the gentry is practically a god and everyone else must plow on him, for this the new Bandera Führes are fighting all over the Outskirts, perfectly understanding that soon the pennies will end and they don’t know how to work and don’t want to, and the loss of the southeast is the loss of the feeding trough, the loss of slaves, who, in their opinion, are obliged to feed the Kiev bandits regardless of their desire.
  6. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat April 8 2014 08: 50
    +14
    I am more concerned about the economic issue. Nevertheless, even in Russia, the moshna is not rubber, and the regions that have joined in the next year will at least become subsidized and troubled.
    Do not get me wrong, I'm arms, legs and other limbs behind. Just worried, as it were, not to tear the economy.
    1. Yura
      Yura April 8 2014 09: 41
      +2
      Quote: ShadowCat
      Do not get me wrong, I'm arms, legs and other limbs behind. Just worried, as it were, not to tear the economy.

      Here’s what you might think about, the complete broken ties between our enterprises and Ukrainian enterprises, the NATO military bases in Ukraine and, as a result, the forced buildup of the Russian armed forces on the border with Ukraine, a serious reconstruction of the border, and much more that really will hit our economy, but joint work, its result would necessarily be profit, work, and all the attendant things.
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat April 8 2014 15: 02
        0
        I understand it. But read not through the line
        and the joining region for the next year at least become subsidized and troubled.

        Pros and cons.
    2. Arhj
      Arhj April 8 2014 10: 20
      +7
      Quote: ShadowCat
      I am more concerned about the economic issue. Nevertheless, even in Russia, the moshna is not rubber, and the regions that have joined in the next year will at least become subsidized and troubled.
      Do not get me wrong, I'm arms, legs and other limbs behind. Just worried, as it were, not to tear the economy.

      I completely agree. The southeast has a good economic potential, but to develop it you need to invest pretty much, since these areas have only been robbed for the last 23 years. If you include new territories, then not right tomorrow, but gradually through a transition period. Elementary, our pension fund may not be able to withstand such a sharp increase in expenses. Personally, it seems ideal for me at the current stage to create an independent state in the Southeast under the protectorate of Russia with its gradual accession to the Russian Federation, provided that the residents of these regions themselves speak out for reunification. this does not mean that the Southeast does not need to be protected.
      Of course, I would like to see a united friendly Ukraine, but today I do not believe in it.
      1. smile
        smile April 8 2014 11: 58
        +4
        Arhj
        This independent state cannot exist on its own, and the inevitable decline in living standards will make some nostalgic about the past. No matter how hard it is, and no matter how expensive it may be, here you either accept them or push them under the eurofascists ... but you cannot betray them - can you imagine what the bandarlogs will do there? And the costs - yes, the costs will be very significant, even scary to imagine what ... But where to go? Do not leave your own?
        1. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat April 8 2014 15: 03
          0
          We will jump - what remains for us?)
  7. Yuri Sev Caucasus
    Yuri Sev Caucasus April 8 2014 08: 55
    +5
    To bite the hand that feeds you is the height of idiocy. So keep the gentlemen watching without blood, we will manage to reunite with the original Russian lands.
  8. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 8 2014 08: 56
    +6
    A good mine with a bad game. Say, we have not lost. and treacherously surrendered the Trojan horse.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian April 8 2014 17: 58
      0
      Quote: FC Skif
      A good mine with a bad game. Say, we have not lost. and treacherously surrendered the Trojan horse.


      Will this "Trojan Horse" drown Russia?
  9. inkass_98
    inkass_98 April 8 2014 09: 04
    +4
    Having fulfilled the strategic plan to get rid of the territorial ballast of "geopolitics", the Ruins run the risk of remaining within the Galicia-Volynsk or Kiev principalities (depending on what will be the next ballast). So we are waiting, sir. If there were more such "strategists", we would also send them to the States, align the fronts with Mexico and Canada.
  10. parusnik
    parusnik April 8 2014 09: 13
    +4
    Maidanutye, you would listen to the Estonian Tsybulenko ... otherwise you would lose everything, otherwise you will have nowhere to march under the Bandera flags and shout glory to the Heroes! Glory to Ukraine! .
  11. lablizn
    lablizn April 8 2014 09: 16
    +3
    What is happening in Ukraine is a new reality of global trends:
    Scotland, Catalonia, Venice, Quebec and others, and other ...
    As Soloviev wrote, ethnic groups and superethnoses at a certain historical stage are created and disintegrate. But in different ways.
    Russia is a super-ethnos, multinational and multi-confessional, undergoing long "grinding", internal disagreements and friction, and
    destructive factors worn as objective (internal divisions)
    and subjective (external influence) character. Nevertheless, this is largely overcome due to the centripetal attraction of the peoples inhabiting the territory of Russia.
    Ukraine, as a superethnos, did not take place, not only for economic or linguistic reasons, but primarily for socio-ideological ones.
    The east of Ukraine is anyway, but closer to collectivist ways of thinking — this is not surprising, industrial areas cannot exist in another way.
    Western Ukraine, on the contrary, lives according to the "tilka for myself" formula.
    And a split is inevitable, it’s important that bloodshed is not provoked,
    I really want the American curators of the Ukrainian government.
    1. Kazanec
      Kazanec April 8 2014 21: 37
      0
      All right! They went too far with the nationalist idea. But, I hope for the best, that's all :)
  12. svskor80
    svskor80 April 8 2014 09: 17
    +4
    Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk are industrial regions - investments will of course be required, but I am sure that they will quickly reach self-sufficiency. Central Russia will help them with uninterrupted product orders. The reunification of the Russian world will make us stronger regardless of finances, but for the United States this option is unacceptable and they will unleash a civil war so that exclusively destroyed and difficult to restore territories will return to Russia.
  13. Grenz
    Grenz April 8 2014 09: 22
    +4
    And today's message - Budapest claims to Transcarpathia.
    And tomorrow Poland - return Volyn.
    Russia so be - the South and Southeast.
    Aw! Where are you preoccupied with national ideas lads?
    They gathered in caches and wait for someone to decompose in order to use the rotten meat. No matter how they die.
  14. sv68
    sv68 April 8 2014 10: 47
    +1
    Now let’s say in a place where cebulking creatures are happy to read such pastors, they’ll give Russia what it asks for and let dementia come with you fool
  15. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y April 8 2014 11: 17
    +3
    Either under the USSR, Russia prevented them from living - "devoured", now the eastern and southern regions with hard workers get on their nerves ...
    The best headache remedy is the guillotine! ..
  16. Constantine
    Constantine April 8 2014 13: 31
    +4
    In general, of course, they have an interesting idea. The deeper it penetrates the consciousness of ukrov, the easier they will let Southeast go home to Russia. wassat
  17. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh April 8 2014 17: 08
    0
    Europe began to actively get rid of energy dependence, which means that the end of Russia in its current form and, accordingly, its influence is inevitable.

    Europe will not buy. Buy China. Japan buys gas at 800. The Chinese will build the pipe themselves.
  18. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 8 2014 18: 52
    0
    Eastern regions should be temporarily withdrawn from its (Ukraine - author's note) composition. Having got rid of ballast, Western Ukraine will have every opportunity to build a democratic European state and speedy accession to the EU and NATO.
    His words and maydanut in the ears. That's what sprats do with their heads.
    It’s a pity the Americans don’t eat this city, now you look and there would be no question.
    And on account of the destruction of the Southeast, I think in the event of a defeat on this front, they have a clear goal to leave devastation behind themselves.
    And when we clean up the territory we must be very careful.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 8 2014 19: 12
      0
      One can agree with the professor that Western Ukraine would "throw off" the South-East. But with the fact that after that the first will succeed - it is unlikely. It was Yu-V that, by inertia, somehow maintained the appearance of Ukrainian statehood. And without it you will have a walk - a field. laughing
  19. Autolife
    Autolife April 8 2014 19: 08
    +1
    Sincere article! Judging by how events are developing, it is not long!
    Presidential elections will not solve anything, but only exacerbate the contradictions between western and southeastern Ukraine.
    Until they find a person who suits everyone, it will be difficult for them to agree, and this will lead to a split. Then I think the Russian Federation will also throw coals into the furnace of contradictions :-) And judging by who is now at the helm of Ukraine, they do not have great intelligence and foresight.
  20. Slavkovich
    Slavkovich April 8 2014 22: 33
    0
    Well, with humor, samostiyschik always had a normul, t.s. the circus left - the klovans remained, but to be honest I don’t know from such a strategy, whether to cry or laugh .... Although ... "it is sinful to laugh at sick people" (c)
    1. izGOI
      izGOI April 9 2014 03: 53
      0
      Speaking of the circus. In 1918, the first RADA was going to the Kiev circus. The circus spirit, apparently, was preserved after 100 (well, almost) years.
  21. intsurfer
    intsurfer April 8 2014 23: 51
    +1
    About the picture where the regions drag Kiev. You might think that in Russia Moscow makes money for the country ... Or one Beijing for all of China, etc.
    1. izGOI
      izGOI April 9 2014 03: 57
      0
      I put you a plus. It’s hard to disagree with you, but this is already internal Russian affairs
  22. sergkar
    sergkar April 9 2014 01: 28
    0
    Remember the saying: "When Hoch.ol was born, the Jew cried!" In my opinion, this is the "luminary of Ukrainian science" from this series. Well this is necessary, so try to play with a good face, with a bad game! Israel needs to take a closer look at him, a valuable shot for them.
  23. izGOI
    izGOI April 9 2014 03: 49
    0
    This Tsybulenok suggests one idea: to give Galichin-Bandarlogy to the proud nobles as if for storage, or better for good. And live quietly and work, waiting for the time when Galicia, which has become GREAT, will begin to gather all the lands inhabited by Ukrainians around itself.
  24. 2log
    2log April 9 2014 10: 34
    0
    Do not interfere with the thought processes of the masters of ukram. The faster they abandon the ballast, the faster this whole Ukrainian circus will end.
    More such scholars ukrov and articles in this spirit.