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Drang nach Osten. American version

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The NATO military alliance expressed its full support to Ukraine in the “Crimean issue” and announced that it was ready for “adequate action” against Russia if the diplomatic conflict was not resolved and developed into a full-fledged armed confrontation. In fact, the alliance openly threatens Russia - just as it once threatened Yugoslavia and many other states that suffered from US-European aggression. At the same time, NATO declares its commitment to the principles of freedom, peace and democracy. But how long can you pursue an aggressive policy, hiding behind certain "universal values"? Will the end of Euro-Atlantic cynicism come?

From defense to aggression

Initially, the NATO bloc was created as a defense alliance directed against the Soviet Union. After the end of World War II, in the West, without exaggeration, they were afraid that the Soviet Tanks can reach right up to Lisbon. Until 1991, fear was the main reason for maintaining and expanding the alliance.

In the 90s, socialism in Eastern European countries was overthrown, and the USSR collapsed. But, despite the disappearance of the external threat, the NATO bloc continued to exist and, moreover, began to expand again, invading the post-Soviet space and approaching the state borders of Russia.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the North Atlantic Alliance also committed its first act of aggression by launching hostilities on the territory of Yugoslavia. Thus, the block from the protection tool turned into weapon for an offensive on the world political arena, for the subordination of peoples and the seizure of new territories.

It turns out that even after the end of the Cold War, the confrontation between the eastern and western worlds never stopped. The cold war did not end with the collapse of the USSR — it passed into a less intense stage. Of course, “hot” wars flared up periodically, as, for example, it was in Georgia or is now happening in Syria, however, local conflicts have never before become a pretext for renewing global confrontation.

So it was before the coup in Kiev, which became an extraordinary event and marked the beginning of the second cold war - no less ambitious than the first. Biting on the sovereignty of Ukraine, the United States committed an unthinkable act, trampling all the principles of international law. With its European allies at its disposal, the White House believes that nothing prevents it from establishing American hegemony throughout the world by making a “political blitzkrieg” in the post-Soviet space and disabling Russia with just a few tricks.

But the United States is seriously mistaken if they seriously think that it is too tough for them to take a tiger leap, ending a new cold war in just a few months. Only at first glance, the NATO bloc seems to be a monolithic structure; in fact, the alliance is as weak as ever.

Diversity is NATO's main weakness

The interests of countries that are members of the North Atlantic Alliance do not always coincide. This was the case even during the Cold War, when France refused to participate in the military bloc. And recently, when the United States unleashed aggression against Russia, many states have completely lost touch points with the White House and with other allies in the alliance.

A similar situation was observed in 2011 during the armed conflict in Libya, when some NATO members spoke out categorically against intervention in the Jamahiriya, while others confined themselves to only symbolic support in words. The most pacifist position was taken by Germany, which flatly refused to take part in the Middle Eastern adventure of Barack Obama and Nicolas Sarkozy.

When the confrontation with Russia began, Germany took exactly the same position and stated that the national interests for Berlin are above all. German companies are too closely connected with the Russian economy, and any sanctions against Russia will return as a boomerang. Even worse, if hostilities begin: NATO bombs and missiles will fall on factories built by German investors! Anti-Russian sanctions, much less war, will become suicide for German entrepreneurs.

France, unlike the Libyan crisis, this time also opposes confrontation with Russia. For the same reason as Berlin, Paris does not want to take any action that could harm bilateral relations. French voters support the government’s foreign policy toward Moscow: the inhabitants of the Fifth Republic are wondering why their country should interfere in the affairs of sovereign states located thousands of kilometers from France.

A similar view is shared by many other members of the alliance, for example, Italy and Hungary. The latter, by the way, recently received a loan in Russia for the construction of two power units of the Paks NPP.

However, there is also a “war party” in NATO - the United States, together with its Eastern European allies. Poland is most eager to fight against Russia. It is followed by Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia - countries where Russophobia is built almost to the rank of state ideology. Romania, which is not interested in strengthening Russia on the Black Sea, and also stands for the elimination of Transnistria, can join the “war party”.

NATO neophytes, accepted into the alliance in 2004, constitute a counterweight to the “old” members of the organization, who are accustomed to make informed decisions and do not want open confrontation with Russia. Perhaps the United States deliberately went to the expansion of NATO in order to increase its influence in the alliance at the expense of its new Eastern European allies - more militant than Western European.

Political blitzkrieg

But against whom is the renewed alliance aimed? The United States has no enemies in Eastern Europe. The Soviet Union ceased to exist more than twenty years ago, and modern Russia is friendly toward the West and wants to further develop partnerships with Europe and North America.

In this case, why was it necessary to include Poland and the Baltic states with their clearly Russophobic rhetoric in NATO?

It is obvious that the alliance has moved from a defensive strategy to an offensive one. And it happened not at all last year, when another Maidan gathered in the center of Kiev, but also in the distant 2004. Then, for the first time at the international level, the question was raised about the entry of "post-revolutionary" Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, following Slovakia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. At the same time, the alliance planned to grab Moldova and Azerbaijan - if you're lucky, of course, since these countries have territories with a controversial status.

And already in 2006, experts from the US military visited Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary in order to select locations for anti-ballistic missile systems that were allegedly directed against Iran. But what is the point of the Iranian Republic to strike at Eastern and Northern Europe? Accidentally or deliberately, but elements of the American missile defense system are arranged in such a way that they allow to intercept missiles launched from Russian territory.

This means that America is trying to destroy nuclear parity. Its goal is to make Russia unable to launch a nuclear strike in the event of a major conflict. By destroying one of the Russian trump cards, the United States will become the world's strongest nuclear power, with virtually no competitors: nuclear China does not count because of the imperfection of its launch vehicles and interception of ballistic missiles.

However, thanks to the diplomatic efforts of Russia, the urgent Drang nach Osten was averted. The Orange Revolution gradually faded away and was forgotten, Mikhail Saakashvili unleashed a meaningless war and discredited himself, and the expected expansion of NATO in 2008 did not take place.

But after 10 years, the West is again trying to establish itself in Eastern Europe, and it acts bolder and bolder in spite of Russia's increased military power. Again in Ukraine, a coup, again she is offered to become a member of the North Atlantic alliance - and immediately, without further ado and with minimal formalities. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland make very aggressive statements, the United States promises to strengthen its military presence in Eastern Europe.

NATO aggression is obvious. So far in a veiled form: Maidan in Kiev is supposedly independent of its Western sponsors. However, if Russia tries to defend itself, tries to meet the Russians in Ukraine, the confrontation may become open, and then, in addition to Obama’s fervent speeches, tanks and airplanes will go into action, as has happened repeatedly in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Libya.
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 April 7 2014 08: 44
    +20
    C'mon, 7 spans in the forehead are not required at all to enter, which strained with Russia is most beneficial to the states. And that's all. There is nothing to pour water, everything tied up from here is the source. And the actions of others are equal to the degree of dependence on Washington’s policy, District of Columbia .. .
    1. brelok
      brelok April 7 2014 08: 50
      +42
      And what has changed in the world? Never mind! For the past 800 years, Drang nach Osten has not focused on the West. The present has not invented anything new.
      1. maks-101
        maks-101 April 7 2014 08: 57
        +11
        and don’t scare us, but try Russian weapons and the Russian spirit, don’t forget to put on diapers.
        1. W1950
          W1950 April 7 2014 09: 32
          +19
          These are only frightening, knowing full well that the EU will be the first to be distributed. We are not Yugoslavia and we will not stick around with them, this was made clear on the example of the Crimea. So, it is better for NATO to shut up its rotten mouth.
          1. Canep
            Canep April 7 2014 10: 32
            +10
            Poland is most eager for the battle against Russia. It is followed by Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.
            And without NATO it’s weak to start aggression against Russia?
            1. poccinin
              poccinin April 7 2014 10: 47
              +2
              In this way they want to join RUSSIA obratno. They are simply embarrassed to say "take us back" and in NATO, maybe someone else wants, they simply do not know. Therefore, they are gathering those who wish. for now.
            2. mirag2
              mirag2 April 7 2014 11: 40
              +2
              Being in NATO alone is impossible.
              1. Canep
                Canep April 7 2014 12: 07
                +1
                You can only rely on the support of the allies.
            3. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa April 7 2014 22: 14
              +1
              Quote: Canep
              And without NATO it’s weak to start aggression against Russia?

              Sergei! This contradicts the basic principle of the Anglo-Saxon concept of raking in heat with the wrong hands. For the United States, NATO countries are monkeys that drag chestnuts out of the fire for them. As always, they want to receive dividends without investing anything.
              Well, if they do come ... then "MADE IN RUSSIA"
        2. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 April 8 2014 01: 10
          0
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          and don’t scare us, but try

          No, here you must be welcome. Well, then it will be all ...
      2. hommer
        hommer April 7 2014 12: 18
        +11
        Quote: brelok
        Last 800 years Drang nach Osten the main theme is not the West


        And it always ends the same way - DRAP Nakh West .
        1. DS22
          DS22 April 7 2014 16: 54
          0
          And I would visit the European capitals for free .... lol
      3. Mikros
        Mikros April 7 2014 13: 36
        0
        Drap nah is known to them angry
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 April 7 2014 11: 52
      0
      Do you know what the Ghent Initiative is?
      In 2010, the defense ministers of the EU member states decided to strengthen military and military-technical cooperation between the EU countries.
      The document was developed jointly by Germany and Sweden.
      This is the first meeting of this kind that has produced abundant sprouts and consequences in the form of purchases of Polish BTR by Finland (or vice versa), etc.
    3. Vanya2013F
      Vanya2013F April 7 2014 19: 06
      +2
      Yes, only the states want to plunge the world into a war not with themselves. And to pit Europe and Russia. Instability on the Eurasian continent is better than war, and for them this means that they will again be on horseback. Only a cookie with butter. This time, if a mess starts, then the states should first of all give their teeth to discourage forever the sowing of their democracy in the world.
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 April 7 2014 08: 44
    +16
    SD missiles are needed more than ever.
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 7 2014 08: 56
      +23
      Quote: Igor39
      SD missiles are needed more than ever.

      First of all, it’s necessary not to launch missiles, but TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE FRIENDS and build retaliation taking into account this fact, and to plant them for talking about the great and wise west!
      1. anip
        anip April 7 2014 09: 23
        +16
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        First of all, it’s necessary not rockets, but to UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE FRIENDS

        Yes, not in the West, but AT ALL we have no friends. There were only temporary allies and supporters, as long as it was beneficial to them.
        1. Thompson
          Thompson April 7 2014 10: 22
          +8
          There is no friendship in politics! There is pragmatism and benefit, as in economics. Who pays and dances! ... While the USSR paid, they danced ..! Now the United States pays, that’s everyone dancing!
          Therefore, the United States has no friends.
        2. On the bayonet
          On the bayonet April 7 2014 10: 23
          +2
          Right! Enough of this western expansion into the Slavic World under the guise of shit democracy. Stiffness with them is needed from the sphere of economy to the sphere of politics. Only they will understand the power and begin to sober up from the Americanos moonshine.
        3. DS22
          DS22 April 7 2014 16: 50
          +4
          I do not quite agree! There is one true friend - the Mongolian People's Republic.
        4. greshnik80
          greshnik80 April 7 2014 19: 45
          +1
          Russia has friends and even brothers, but they were already defeated by the NATO Serbs.
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  4. mabuta
    mabuta April 7 2014 08: 47
    +30
    It was seen. They want to see repetition.
  5. SS68SS
    SS68SS April 7 2014 08: 48
    +11
    I don’t think that the NATO troops have enough gunpowder in the flasks for war with Russia. So, of course, they can rattle with weapons. But if something, then to give the snout for us will not rust ...
  6. mamont5
    mamont5 April 7 2014 08: 48
    +9
    "In fact, the alliance openly threatens Russia - just as it once threatened Yugoslavia and many other states that suffered from the American-European aggression."
    The difference is that Russia is not Yugoslavia, and not "many others." Choke, gentlemen, with your threats.

    “In the 90s, socialism in the countries of Eastern Europe was overthrown, and the USSR collapsed. But despite the disappearance of the external threat, the NATO bloc continued to exist and, moreover, began to expand again, invading the post-Soviet space and approaching the state borders of Russia . "
    And the Cold War was long before the USSR. Anglo-Saxons in the person of England, and then its offspring of the United States, have always been enemies of Russia, regardless of the state system. After all, Russia is the only hindrance to their plans for world domination. And it was and will be.
    1. 0255
      0255 April 7 2014 10: 50
      +3
      An American political scientist said "if we become the united socialist states of America, we will still fight for the Persian Gulf and continue our enmity with Russia" (and not with the USSR, but with RUSSIA). Already tired of hearing "our Western partners". If they are such friends, then why were the Chechens sponsored? After all, during the 1st Chechen Cold War in 1994, the Cold War had already ended 3 years ago, the government had a good (for the West) "democratic" EBN. The West has never been and never will be our friend
      1. Zeus
        Zeus April 7 2014 11: 55
        +3
        Politicians need a language in order to hide their thoughts. How do you propose calling them at the diplomatic level? What will politicians say: have we entered into trade agreements with our enemies? Or can they be called American mongrel? In my opinion, for such circles, the name partners is the most adequate.
        1. 0255
          0255 April 7 2014 13: 50
          +2
          this is correct, but still got enough of hearing "Western partners".
  7. Same lech
    Same lech April 7 2014 08: 49
    +6
    In fact, the alliance openly threatens Russia - just as it once threatened Yugoslavia and many other states that suffered from US-European aggression.


    Like I said "now hunchback".

    The war is too dangerous ..... and it’s unlikely that it will be difficult for the United States to embark on yet another US adventure for purely economic reasons (BOLIVAR cannot stand three).
    Therefore, there may be two options — the USA will continue to bend its fingers with a fan hoping to psychologically break RUSSIA with threats, or the US satellites may try to arrange some kind of large-scale provocation against RUSSIA.

    Now for RUSSIA it is necessary not to make sudden movements ... do not rush to make a decision ... The USA and its allies should do all the work to break the situation for us hehe SAMI.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal April 7 2014 13: 58
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The war is too dangerous ..... and it’s unlikely that it will be difficult for the United States to embark on yet another US adventure for purely economic reasons (BOLIVAR cannot stand three).

      - that means you need to attack, another such economic situation is too long to wait, and it’s not a fact that it will ever be provided.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Therefore, there may be two options — the USA will continue to bend its fingers with a fan hoping to psychologically break RUSSIA with threats, or the US satellites may try to arrange some kind of large-scale provocation against RUSSIA.
      - conflict 080808 - the same large-scale provocation of amers by the hands of Saakashvili, but the Georgians did not like it - they are still trying to get Saakashvili. So let those who lined up there provoke. Romanians? Poles? Balts? Russia also guarantees that they will not like it very much. The only thing I insist on is not to beat gently as the Georgians were beaten. A total of 260 Georgian soldiers - for such a price you see what line was lined up in front of the United States for the right to carry out provocations? When one German was fined 80 euros for throwing a cake at Bill Gates, a queue lined up at that court on the same day, everyone in the queue squeezed 80 euros with hope, hoping that they would also be allowed to throw a cake at the creator of the "micro-windows". Here I see the same thing. The only way to stop this and discourage the desire to troll Russia altogether is to put ten thousand. I am not kidding. Not less. To raze the capital to the ground and nullify the economic potential. Then, in the future, the States will have to solve their problems with Russia directly, and not choose to whom the given right from the servile sheep to grant from the master's shoulder, since there are simply no more willing ones.
      1. Rostislav
        Rostislav April 7 2014 20: 09
        +1
        There is something in this reasoning. As my hand-to-hand combat trainer said, the block must be placed so that the attacker's arm breaks.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 7 2014 23: 00
        +2
        Quote: aksakal
        The only way to stop this and repulse the desire to troll Russia in general is to put in tens of thousands. I am not kidding. Not less. Dismantle the capital and nullify the economic potential.

        Dear Aksakal! Your proposal is tempting in its simplicity, but it is not for us.
        In the 1's, we are not at war with the people, but only with the sun of the aggressor.
        In 2's, the UN Security Council will immediately accuse us of a disproportionate use of force.
        In-3's, by doing so, we will not be any different from the USers.
        Therefore, having defeated the Armed Forces, we will be able to resolve all other issues by supporting progressive sober-minded forces.
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  8. silaichev
    silaichev April 7 2014 08: 52
    +4
    There will be no mercy this time am
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 April 7 2014 17: 06
      0
      this = celestial starry = continent with his aggression against the whole world created non-measure negative phantom which slowly inflates deep into the earth ... and it looks like it has reached the limit ... and what will happen when it detonates in the flows of burning lava ???
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 7 2014 23: 26
        +1
        Quote: MBA78
        and what will happen when it detonates in the flows of burning lava ???

        Most likely the Yellowstone Super Volcano will detonate. Scientists give Xnumx years before the eruption. The US government has already turned to Australia, Brazil, Argentina with a proposal: annually during 10 years to pay them 10bn dollars so that they shelter residents of the U.S. when the super volcano explodes. South Africa declined the offer.
        "If the Yellowstone volcano wakes up, it will turn into a real tragedy on a global scale. The eruption will have a force 2500 times greater than the force of the last release of Etna and is comparable only with the explosion of an atomic bomb. Thousands of cubic kilometers of lava will pour out into the United States, and those places where not lava will come, cover with a thick layer of volcanic ash. " http://earth-chronicles.ru/news/2014-04-03-62855
        So it is not long to wait. But the danger lies in the fact that, being in the position of a cornered rat, the states can unleash the 3 world. After all, for them, and so the END!
  9. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time April 7 2014 08: 53
    +7
    Here Europe would have looked prettier how America wants to destroy it. They want to destroy Russia from the time of its birth, and this is commonplace, but Europe will be bad
  10. moremansf
    moremansf April 7 2014 08: 55
    +8
    It won’t reach a military conflict, but political and economic pressure will only increase ... The next arms race will begin to undermine the economy, which was already in the USSR, but the Russian leadership now has other people with a smart head and visionary politics, and most importantly with the support of the majority of the population ...
    1. asadov
      asadov April 7 2014 09: 17
      +1
      We must not forget about China. So the opposition shines 2-1 (USA, Europe - Russia) and 2-2 (USA, Europe - Russia, China).
  11. siberalt
    siberalt April 7 2014 09: 02
    +4
    Well, if NATO hadn’t "whitened" about Ukraine, then who would have reckoned with America? GCD is gaining strength in the country, the regions have chosen the course of unification into a single block. And this is all over the Dnepropetrovsk arc to Odessa and the PMR. Poltava and the entire left-bank Ukrainian part will wake up. This cannot be stopped.
  12. KBPC50
    KBPC50 April 7 2014 09: 03
    +4
    Quote: Igor39
    SD missiles are needed more than ever.
    And very, very urgently! Since they want to make us slaves, let them know and remember what the uprising of slaves in ancient Rome turned out to be. If you eliminate the fifth column in the person of the Nemtsovs, Alekseeva, Navalny, etc. savyavok - no one will ever defeat the peoples of RUSSIA, and we will live happily ever after!
    1. major071
      major071 April 7 2014 09: 37
      +11
      Well, you compared! The slave revolt and Russia. Russia has never been anybody's slave, our people, over a thousand-year history, did not even know such a word as a slave. We were beaten, destroyed, but they could NEVER be turned into slaves. And everyone who came to us with a sword always shook off to the fullest. The United States is a slave, they are slaves in their essence, mentality, in spirit. And their psychology is slavish: to rise above others, to grab more, to make yourself "exceptional." Never, I repeat, never will a slave be able to defeat a free people. IMHO. hi
  13. ZU-23
    ZU-23 April 7 2014 09: 08
    +3
    Nato pulls with his plans, as a result, almost all of Ukraine will understand that she was fooled and will become together with Russia against Nato, of course, except for those high-ranking fools who took 30 pieces of silver.
  14. Igor sila
    Igor sila April 7 2014 09: 16
    +4
    Yes, it is necessary to withdraw from the treaty on SD missiles. We need them now no matter how anyone !!! And the gentry with its fascist neighbors will bite its tongue. The point will play.
  15. DimYang
    DimYang April 7 2014 09: 19
    +4
    In the 90s, they thought that they would do without the costly and unpredictable consequences of a military campaign against us. They were happy with everything. Nobody could think there that suddenly Russia would go off the hook. (Until the end) Now that the West has an artificial crisis, a financial soap bubble, war is a survival issue for them. And she will definitely be. Here, personally, I have no doubts.
  16. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx April 7 2014 09: 23
    +3
    The USA is puffing up, Obama is puffing out his cheeks, and NATO is creeping under them, cringing.
  17. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 7 2014 09: 30
    +6
    However, if Russia tries to defend itself, tries to meet the Russians in Ukraine, the confrontation may become open, and then, apart from Obama's heated speeches, tanks and planes will go into action, as has already happened in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Libya.
    The NATO program is to take everything up to a gram.
  18. GOGY
    GOGY April 7 2014 09: 36
    +8
    As these inferior ones have already gotten ... Do they not understand that in the event of a military conflict they will receive the first goodies, and if they do not understand, why not clearly demonstrate and explain how it will be in kind? I read somewhere that Catherine II was so screaming at Western diplomats that they fainted, is it not time for Russia to be tougher and more active in defending its interests, including in non-diplomatic ways? Maybe it’s doing something, but it is so veiled that it seems as if you are watching a cartoon about the cat Leopold, they are building dirty tricks on him, he is all appealing to the mouse community - Guys, let's live together! Only the guys do not want and crap on. Is it time for them to ask a good rake?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 7 2014 23: 46
      +1
      Quote: GOGY
      Is it time for them to ask a good rake?

      The thought is good, only a little bit of strength is needed. In economics, we are 1 / 6 of US GDP. According to the sun, I think there is no need to remind. We would rearm before 2020. Then, together with tangerines, you can grimace the goat's face to USeram. In the meantime - too early.
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  20. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 7 2014 09: 46
    0
    NATO aggression !? The Americans have already assigned everything, where the launchers will stand, where the locating ones, where they will build training camps for "freedom fighters" and what kind of money they have collected, but here is such a bummer !!!
  21. Nikich
    Nikich April 7 2014 09: 57
    0
    Quote: GOGY
    As these inferior ones have already gotten ... Do they not understand that in the event of a military conflict they will receive the first goodies, and if they do not understand, why not clearly demonstrate and explain how it will be in kind? I read somewhere that Catherine II was so screaming at Western diplomats that they fainted, is it not time for Russia to be tougher and more active in defending its interests, including in non-diplomatic ways? Maybe it’s doing something, but it is so veiled that it seems as if you are watching a cartoon about the cat Leopold, they are building dirty tricks on him, he is all appealing to the mouse community - Guys, let's live together! Only the guys do not want and crap on. Is it time for them to ask a good rake?

    It's time, it’s only hurt Putin scared. You need to be tougher, crush them everywhere and always. To unite countries that are finally against NATO, and not to make statements in the spirit, we will forgive you all, but don’t attack us. And do not attack, the gut is thin
  22. igorra
    igorra April 7 2014 10: 30
    +6
    Lyakhi will get to the fourth section.
  23. slonnonen
    slonnonen April 7 2014 10: 34
    +2
    Quote: serega.fedotov
    for talking about the great and wise west-plant!

    Absolutely for sure !!!
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  25. Gray 43
    Gray 43 April 7 2014 10: 51
    0
    Europeans prefer not to wave their guns at all, because, not without reason, they are convinced that this Shtatov PRO is not such a reliable shield. While boasting smart and high-precision weapons, they apparently forgot that it is good for compact wars, in case of collapse it will be more serious and larger weapons and equipment are simpler and cheaper. Yes, and in the EU itself there is no unity, as in NATO, the poor new recruits are digging the land, but they don’t want to die, the staff themselves also want to live, if you take out some kind of wedding or funeral drone, to the glory of democracy, or to overthrow the people's power with the hands of mercenaries with the support of aviation, is also easy. To the east this pack will go only in case of a change of leader, to a more plush [quote = Gray 43] Europeans prefer not to wave their arms especially, so, not without reason We are sure that this shtatovskoy missile defense is not such a reliable shield. Boasting smart and high-precision weapons, they apparently forgot that it is good for compact wars, in case of a collapse, weapons and technical equipment will be more serious and larger Ika is simpler and cheaper. Yes, and in the EU itself there is no unity, as in NATO, the poor new recruits are digging the land, but they don’t want to die, the staff themselves also want to live, if you take out any wedding or funeral from the drones easily, for the glory democracy, or overthrowing people's power with the hands of mercenaries with the support of aviation, is also easy. To the east, this pack will go only if the leader in Russia is changed to a softer and more accommodating
  26. Belarus
    Belarus April 7 2014 10: 57
    +1
    I regard NATO’s statements regarding Ukraine as follows: NATO promised support for the Maidan in Ukraine hoping that they would do something nasty in hopes of defending NATO, but the rest of America would not want to directly dirty its fucking claws.
  27. free
    free April 7 2014 11: 23
    +1
    Quote: anip
    Quote: serega.fedotov
    First of all, it’s necessary not rockets, but to UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE FRIENDS

    Yes, not in the West, but AT ALL we have no friends. There were only temporary allies and supporters, as long as it was beneficial to them.


    And on this basis, let's decide for ourselves, if you have to die, take the whole world with us, they are so afraid of this!
  28. parusnik
    parusnik April 7 2014 11: 24
    +1
    NATO aggression is evident. So she never and didn’t go anywhere .. The only thing now, in Russia, is to be very careful and not be led by the provocations of the Maydan ..
  29. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 7 2014 11: 28
    +1
    <<< The NATO military alliance expressed full support to Ukraine in the "Crimean issue" and announced that it was ready for "adequate actions" in relation to Russia, >>>
    To be ready for "adequate actions", NATO needs to have an army of "polite people", and not an army of thugs impudent from impunity, a kind of drones accustomed to destroy civilian objects and people, including unarmed old people, women, children, without hesitation, almost , in automatic mode! Since the decaying Western civilization of globalizers-common people, imposing their LGBT values ​​on the world, IN PRINCIPLE cannot have an army of "polite people", it will intend to act in the same way as it did in Yugoslavia! But Ukraine and, moreover, Russia today is not Yugoslavia! As if the NATO globalizers did not succeed as the saying goes - they went for wool, returned with a haircut! And it will be so, if the elementary sense of self-preservation does not stop the hot NATO heads blinded by russophobia!
  30. razved
    razved April 7 2014 11: 54
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    There were many of these in our history - travelers to the east. And always a bunch went to Russia. And there was always the same end for them. It'll be this way forever!!!!!!!
  31. Stasi
    Stasi April 7 2014 11: 58
    +4
    It is clear that America is behind all the talk of war. Whatever happens, the United States will always unleash wars around the world. The main reason is to maintain the dominance of the dollar, because the dollar is an unsecured green piece of paper. Another reason is the huge US public debt of approximately $ 13 trillion. War is certainly expensive, but it’s very convenient to write off debts under it, as the saying goes, the war will write everything off. And military corporations will have the opportunity to earn money in the war by receiving orders. So the United States will not stop and will look for an opportunity to fight.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich April 7 2014 19: 33
      +2
      I absolutely agree with you. America is planted on permanent wars like a narcotic on drugs. It’s bad that everyone understands this, but they don’t want to openly acknowledge it. They begin by any means to justify any war. No matter where, no matter with whom. For war support for green papers is cheaper than falling into the abyss from the rejection of the world from them.
      As long as the dollar rules the world, wars will constantly smolder in the world.
  32. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx April 7 2014 12: 04
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    Yes, there’s nothing to think about why the old members of the alliance are against the idea of ​​fussing with RUSSIA, Poles, Lathes, Eastons, Latvians, Romanians, these are not wars, without support from the West, there’s no more than three days that this whole pack is ready to hold out, well and old western Europe knows that if the war begins, then we will already talk differently, but how we can speak they know very well, only Germany can, with dedication, can smoke, but not always, the Anglo-Saxons can’t be left to us they won’t be able to speak at all, and we don’t want to speak about the rest, we just have a formidable name, but it’s not troublesome, but as far as I remember, we always waged a war almost not entirely in Europe, so it’s not cretical!
  33. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 7 2014 12: 32
    +2
    We just need to once again remind the NATO strategists of our strategic nuclear forces, and that, according to our military doctrine, we can use nuclear weapons if there is a threat to the existence of our state. Let them scratch their heads, scum.
  34. rasputin17
    rasputin17 April 7 2014 12: 43
    +2
    In fact, the alliance openly threatens Russia - just as it once threatened Yugoslavia and many other states that suffered from US-European aggression.


    Oh, he wouldn’t spit in this well !!! I forgot the lessons of history, ran here one dibil with a funny mustache and kept yapping about some sort of Reich and democracy !!!
  35. Ermek
    Ermek April 7 2014 12: 58
    +1
    In this gang called NATO, the leader (USA) will suffice. The remaining members of the gang, on their knees will ask for mercy of the Kremlin.
  36. Turkir
    Turkir April 7 2014 13: 00
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    Tymoshenko flew to Donetsk.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb April 7 2014 13: 18
      +1
      Heh. As if the second time would not be burned ..... already naturally.
  37. sv68
    sv68 April 7 2014 13: 21
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    In this pack, the USA and NATO just need to be properly sent to the USA, and without them, NATO can begin to monitor its bazaar. In general, let them honestly change the signboard, for example, not NATO, but the US dollars and the logo will be changed to a dildo in brussels, so it will be more honest
  38. Serg7281
    Serg7281 April 7 2014 13: 57
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    The United States, in its desire to introduce its own norms of democracy everywhere, is already confusing the gift of God with scrambled eggs. Instead of condemning the terrorist raid of gangs from Turkey on the defenseless residents of the village Kessab to Syria, they loudly declare additional funding of these very gangs - calling them "fighters for democracy." If in the future they also act, then there is a high percentage of the likelihood that soon, they will remain alone, in their struggle for the triumph of "their crap."
  39. Rominag
    Rominag April 7 2014 15: 49
    +1
    Even worse, if hostilities begin: NATO bombs and missiles will fall on factories built at the expense of German investors!

    You start to read the article, it seems like there is a sense, but after such quotes you no longer want to read further.
    If there is a mess, then such a "thermonuclear" that it does not matter what and where will fall.
    Russia is not Syria and not Libya; it will not wage a ground war with NATO until a massive exchange of nuclear weapons, and then what is a big question. But investors will already be violet because they may well move into another world.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 April 7 2014 20: 48
      +1
      NATO bombs and missiles will fall on factories

      Yes, Europe is so accustomed to a peaceful life that it does not imagine that in the event of a conflict with us, bombs and missiles will sprinkle on their heads too. And our ability to turn their cities into a lunar landscape is underestimated by them.
  40. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 7 2014 16: 05
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    Quote: anip
    Quote: serega.fedotov
    First of all, it’s necessary not rockets, but to UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE FRIENDS

    Yes, not in the West, but AT ALL we have no friends. There were only temporary allies and supporters, as long as it was beneficial to them.

    Poland and the Baltic countries are now the very first instigators of the war against RUSSIA, and our fathers and grandfathers still shed blood for them. It is necessary to strangle them economically. am
  41. Sergei75
    Sergei75 April 7 2014 18: 04
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    We are losing politically, "NATO is ready to provide all-round support to Ukraine" and this is what they say to the junta, which almost won in Ukraine, the whole world identifies Ukraine with a bunch of assholes, while we have a legitimate president of Ukraine, which is still part of the CIS ...
    It’s time to make NATO understand that they have no right to intervene in the situation in Ukraine, and this situation is in the powers of the Commonwealth countries! And all of NATO’s actions against Ukraine will be seen as an act of aggression against the countries of the Commonwealth and entering the phase of war with them.
    1. Gur
      Gur April 8 2014 16: 46
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      Dear part of you, I agree with you, but you need to understand that in the community there is only one combat-ready army and you won’t have to wait from the prisoners.
  42. Arkan
    Arkan April 7 2014 18: 44
    0
    However, if Russia tries to defend itself, tries to meet the Russians in Ukraine, the confrontation may become open, and then, apart from Obama's heated speeches, tanks and planes will go into action, as has already happened in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Libya.


    Starting up, we are not the countries listed below. Face ab table apply.
  43. July
    July April 7 2014 18: 57
    +2
    Yes, they’re unlikely to dare to snoop around us now, even if we had impudently sent troops to Ukraine. They have no strategy on this matter, no brains or resources, and the farting that they produce in the information field only gives them an excuse to think about their steepness, especially for new members (in both senses of the word) NATO.
  44. combat66
    combat66 April 7 2014 20: 09
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    Quote: aksakal
    Then in the future, the States will have to solve their problems directly with Russia themselves, and not choose who to give this right from the helpful sheep from the shoulder of the lord, because there are simply no more willing ones.

    The case may turn out to be very serious. If in the past they stopped at the right moment, then today this may not happen. These bastards really got it. They can only be stopped by bending down and committing an act (do not think evil, an analogue of Georgian coercion to peace) wink
  45. Volgarr
    Volgarr April 7 2014 20: 26
    0
    First you need to block access to Russia of agricultural products from the Baltic states and Ukraine, then these evil fascists will understand who feeds them! In the geyrop, their goods are not needed for sure!
  46. wanderer
    wanderer April 7 2014 20: 28
    0
    Well, that's what the "partners" are for, to bend them down and perform the act.
  47. Victor-M
    Victor-M April 7 2014 20: 58
    0
    Will Euro-Atlantic cynicism end?
    It will certainly come, along with the source of this very cynicism, and we will not tear a single button accordion at their funeral.
  48. Sergei75
    Sergei75 April 7 2014 21: 51
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    Today we are reaping the benefits of perestroika, because today NATO stands at the borders of Russia, a consequence of the politics of the time.
    I must admit, we are now on the verge of a third world war, everyone is inflated, Russia does not intend to retreat, Obama is so pecked that he now wants to show who is who, the "friends" in the CMEA and the USSR are so eager to bleed the former elder brother.
    In general, the prophecy may come true, the Negro will be the last US president, but they will drag us along, there will be no winners.
    But I am not calling for surrender, now everything depends on who is the first to show his determination to go to the end and who will back up. I think, first of all, a dialogue should be conducted with Western European countries, they are more pragmatic and soberly assess the current situation, they have something to lose and they understand that the turmoil will begin in Europe, it is easier for them to give up the "democratic" Ukraine than to substitute their ass.
  49. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 April 7 2014 21: 53
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    Hello!
    Maybe it’s time to send good people to the geopolis and along the Baltic, or push them together with their foreheads, let them bite, but in general it’s time to erase the geoland from the world map and give Germany its legal lands, and in addition everything from Poland that remains will also be given to someone else.
  50. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 April 7 2014 22: 16
    0
    In the comments, the conversation is Europe, NATO against Russia. We are missing out on what NATO is like: one for all and all for one. Therefore, no member of NATO can independently start a WAR. According to my mattress covers, it’s time to explain: one bomb will fall on Russia. ANSWER will be the alliance and the Atlantic will not hide. It is necessary to explain cautiously that there are no illusions.
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic April 7 2014 22: 45
      0
      It is also necessary for the alliance not to Ukraine to support fascism, and that all should answer. America got it with the support of fascism. In fact, it is necessary to impose sanctions on America for supporting fascist movements.