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Why Ukrainians are not in a hurry to sign up for the National Guard under?

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Three weeks have passed since the creation of the National Guard in Ukraine. And about. Minister of the Interior Arsen Avakov promised to mobilize up to 15 thousand people into its ranks by the end of March, but according to Avakov, about 50 thousand people already signed up as volunteers in the military registration and enlistment offices. The first 500 volunteers arrived at the exercises the day after the law was passed. Moreover, the minister said that during the first hours of the hot lines, by appointment, more than 1,5 thousand volunteers signed up for service in the newly created internal army instead of the national guard.


Most actively in the ranks of the National Guard are representatives of the Maidan Self-Defense. The head of the Self-Defense, Andrei Parubiy, who became the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, said that in the near future 5 thousand self-defense forces would become guardsmen.

The controversy decided to see how there is a set of guardsmen in the regions. Particularly interesting was the issue of recruitment in the South-East of the country. After all, initially the residents of the Southeast perceived the information about the creation of the National Guard not very friendly: the facts of blocking military units, where there were weapon for the National Guard under: many said that the National Guard is armed maydanovtsy and the "Right Sector". However, the results of the recruitment of guardsmen in Western Ukraine were unexpectedly modest. How is the situation today in Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkov, Odessa and Lviv, our correspondents found out. Donetsk:

Retired out!

In the Donetsk region, from the beginning of mobilization, the entire 122 person turned to the recruitment service in the national guard. Alexey Masliyenko, an officer of the public relations and mass media department at the Eastern Territorial Command Directorate of the Air Force of Ukraine, told Polemics that every day around 10 people call or come with the intention of joining the National Guard. But to date, none of those who have been selected in the recruiting service, could not pass the military commission. “In reality, from 122 who applied, no one fell into the ranks of the National Guard. Perhaps this is due to the fact that in the Donetsk region there are no reception points for reservists, but they are only accepting contract services. ”- said Masliyenko.

In most cases, people do not even reach the medical board, as they refuse or are not suitable for service. “The main reason is people who are over the age of admission - forty years old. The vast majority of people are not satisfied with social guarantees, because the salary of an ordinary contract soldier of the National Guard 1850 UAH. Although the Ministry (Ministry of Internal Affairs - Aut.) Promises to raise the salary to the level of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - 3 thousand UAH »- says the press officer.

In the department for work with the personnel of the Internal Troops in the Donetsk region, the Controversy correspondent was given another reason why volunteers do not enter the National Guard. It turns out that quite often people with convictions call the recruiting service, and their number is not limited to one. “In general, there are a lot of people who are older than 40 years. There are 50-year-olds and even 60-year-olds ... They feel healthy and vigorous, and even could work in a civilian world, but service is completely different. ”- said the deputy head of the department Vasily Pilipenko.

In addition, people who wish to join the ranks of the National Guard are not always selected for a psychological and patriotic survey. “We try to check how much a person who wishes to serve is a patriot of his country. So that these were not just words about love for the Motherland ... For example, we ask them questions on stories Ukraine, we ask the country's anthem, who is the President, when Ukraine became an independent state, etc. After all, there are those who do not even know basic things, but they declare: “We love Ukraine, and you will teach us the rest.” But if a person in the certificate has only two and three and he does not know the basic things concerning his country ... ", - tells Pilipenko.

So it turns out that from the 122 volunteers in the Donetsk region have not yet found at least one person who is suitable in all respects for service in the National Guard of Ukraine or who wished to defend the country for 1850 UAH.

Odessa: Men and women want to fight, but not to protect

For two weeks, several thousand people have already expressed their desire to enroll in the National Guard in the Odessa region. Leonid Derzhlapin, the head of the department of registration of the regional branch of the National Guard, told this controversy correspondent.

However, the National Guard is simply unable to accept everyone. "Therefore, we select only the most suitable by age and suitable for the state of health"- the official said.

So, for today on service under the contract 211 people are registered. Of these, the 148 rank and file and the 63 officer. More 158 applicants are credited while in the reserve and will be called to the service if necessary. They will regularly undergo training camps, during which they are entitled to pay.

We will note that, according to available information, not only men, but also women aspire to serve in the National Guard in the Odessa region. However, according to Derzhlapin, the need for a female contingent is extremely limited, so they account for less than 55 of the total number registered in the service.

As the official noted, the problem lies in the fact that many applicants have absolutely no idea what exactly the service in the National Guard is. And when they learn that the guard is not intended for the conduct of hostilities, the desire to serve there sometimes disappears.

By the way, the controversy correspondent could clearly see this. So, one of those keen to enroll in the National Guard, who introduced himself as Alexander, said that he was going to "protect Ukraine from aggression and fight the Romanians."

Recall that, according to the Controversy correspondent Derzhlapin, the tasks of the National Guard include the protection of facilities, diplomatic missions, maintaining law and order and escorting. And only in the event of aggression of a foreign state, the National Guard can take part in hostilities along with the army.

Lugansk: the driver of the garbage truck gets more than the soldiers of the National Guard

Only four civilians from the Luhansk region agreed to serve under the contract in the National Guard, and another two enrolled in the National Guard are soldiers who are now serving in military service. Calls to the recruitment points of the military unit in Lugansk are received daily, but people are not in a hurry to sign up.

«Every day there are about a hundred calls from those who want to join the National Guard. So far we have four people from a civilian and two people from our soldiers, who have expressed a desire to serve on the contract and draw up the relevant documents, pass a military-medical commission. All the others, having learned about the salary, simply refuse. We have a lot of conscripts who would like to remain on the contract. But when they find out the contract contractor’s salary, they immediately refuse, because the trolleybus driver and even the garbage truck earn more, ” - said the commander of the Lugansk regiment of the National Guard of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, Colonel Sergey Osipov.

Colonel Osipov noted that the salary of an ordinary contract soldier is only 1850 UAH. He added that those wishing to join the National Guard under refused this idea only because of the salary. “They are not afraid of any hardship or deprivation, nothing. They are confused only by wages. This is the lowest salary among all law enforcement agencies ", - said Osipov. He added that many people want to enroll in the Guard whose age borders on the already non-appealing - 40 years, and the exception can be made only by those people who have already served and have a military rank.

Osipov stressed that the most important thing in military service is love for the Motherland, therefore the National Guard are called upon by the patriots of their country who are ready to defend it. He added that people who agree to enroll in this service always go first and foremost to defend their homeland, rather than looking for any income. “To go for such a salary, you need a very big motivation”, - stressed Osipov.

The deputy commander of the Lugansk Regiment for the educational work of the National Guard of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, Lieutenant Colonel Yuri Smirnov stressed that before being accepted into the National Guard, a person’s motivation and his erudition are always checked. “We need to know what a person breathes with, even if only superficially, and then conduct psychological tests,” - noted Smirnov.

Lugansk candidates for service under the contract in the National Guard of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine have not yet fully passed the medical examination, and also have not collected all the necessary documents, including that they have not been brought to criminal liability. Thus, it may also happen that these four civilians who filed applications may for some reason not be enrolled in the National Guard under (poor health, criminal record, etc. - auth.).

The commander of the Lugansk regiment of the NG of the Ministry of Internal Affairs noted that nobody hinders the activities of the security forces in the region, and there is no negative from the population towards the National Guard. "In the eyes of Lugansk and the Luhansk region, we are servicemen of the internal troops, and the attitude towards the regiment does not change from the name change," - he said.

At the same time, Smirnov said that unknown people deliberately blocked the phone of the recruiting station with constant dialing. And that the military even had to change the number of the mobile operator for this reason. “The last week the officer who answers calls just cannot work. Maybe there was information that self-defense and the “Right Sector” enter the National Guard, therefore they are trying to block the recruiting station of the unit ”, - Said the deputy commander for educational work.

Kharkiv: K 1 April - the first reservist

On Monday, on the eve of 1 April, the recruiting office of the National Guard of Ukraine in the Kharkiv region fully decorated the first guard - reservist. In addition, seven people are accepted for contract service, among them one woman.

The recruiting station of the National Guard is deployed in the 3005 unit, where the Slobozhansky separate brigade of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine was stationed, now renamed the brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine.

According to the controversy correspondent in the recruiting station, recruitment to the National Guard is carried out in two directions - admission to the permanent service under the contract and admission to the reserve of the National Guard.

In Kharkov, as in other Southeastern regions, the main problem for the formation of the National Guard is the low level of wages of the rank and file inherited from the Internal Troops (as already reported, the salary of an ordinary guard is 1850 hryvnia, compared to 2-2,5 thousand in the Armed Forces).

“At the beginning there was a big influx of people who wanted to get into the National Guard, however, after the salaries were announced to the candidates, the feeling of patriotism abruptly subsided”, - the lieutenant colonel VV, who asked not to give his last name, told the controversy

In the Resolution of the CMU on the formation of the National Guard, the Guardsmen are promised 3-3,5 thousands of hryvnias, but this decree has not yet reached the Territorial directorates and units.

Moreover, a commander has not yet been appointed and the concept of training the National Guard has not been defined. There is an 2 option - the creation on the basis of the National Guard under elite units of a high level of training, as in France and Iran, or the variant of the USA, the Baltic States and Georgia, where the National Guard is included in the system of territorial defense, reserve training and support functions for army units.

Lviv: People want to get a gun and go to the east

In general, only 400 volunteers appealed in the six western regions of Ukraine, but there is a large drop-out, because the majority are not counting on what they are offered.

How many of them fall into the National Guard under is unknown. This figure is also unknown in the Lviv region, because no one counts a separate count. In fact, there is no list of volunteers yet, they say in the Western territorial command of the internal troops, on the basis of which the National Guard was created.

As explained in the recruiting service in Lviv, the whole city turned 80 people, but of them 80% refused, and the rest did not pass the selection. That is, in the city of Lviv there is not a single volunteer who will fall into the National Guard under.

First, people are not satisfied with wages. “Who can arrange such a salary? Well, except that the poor, who has no choice ""- noted in the city recruiting service.

Secondly, as soon as people learn that they need to undergo a medical examination, a special inspection, sign a contract for 5 years (without the right to unilaterally break), they immediately refuse. And those who still want to serve, do not pass a medical examination or have a criminal record. "They think like this: he came, got a machine gun and left to fight east", - Recruiters say.

We also note that there are many people willing to defend the country in Lviv and the region, but most are not ready to do this within the framework of some kind of official structure.
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  1. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 7 2014 19: 26
    +20
    that the most important thing in military service is love for the motherland, therefore, patriots of their country are called to the National Guard, who are ready to defend it
    But judging by the results, some patriots are dead ...
    1. Alex 1977
      Alex 1977 April 7 2014 20: 01
      +24
      Based on the above, a typical candidate for the National Guard is an elderly, illiterate disabled criminal.
      regarding a psychological examination, the fact of treatment is a reason for refusal. Mentally healthy people will not go to the National Guard.
      But the question is who the President of Ukraine is, I think, provocative.
      The whole world is wondering who the president of Ukraine is ... Judging by popular support, Darth Vader.
      We note that there are many people who want to protect the country in Lviv and the region, but most are not ready to do this within the framework of some kind of official structure
      I mean to engage in banditry and looting. This is a familiar thing for Bandera.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair April 7 2014 21: 00
        +2
        Quote: Alexey 1977
        Mentally healthy people will not go to the National Guard.


        Normal, sane people generally will not join the army and other power structures at the peak of civil confrontation and confrontation with Russia ...
    2. Stalker
      Stalker April 7 2014 20: 01
      +8
      But judging by the results, some patriots are dead ...

      Wrong advertisement! That's what you need !!! laughing
      1. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 April 7 2014 20: 14
        +4
        like you want to serve the homeland yes, but how? as in a joke
        The guy got into the police, but he has not received his salary for 3 months already. The chief comes to him and says:
        “Why don’t you get your salary already?”
        - And I thought they gave out a gun - and spin as you can ...
        1. Sergh
          Sergh April 7 2014 20: 35
          +2
          Quote: platitsyn70

          - And I thought they gave out a gun - and spin as you can ...

          Nah, it's about a traffic cop with a stick.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 7 2014 20: 49
        +6
        Quote: Stalker
        Wrong advertisement! That's what you need !!!



        The National Guard is the same phantom as the self-appointed Kiev power itself ... What kind of guard can be in the Wild Field?

        1. Ilotan
          Ilotan April 7 2014 21: 03
          +9
          No, I will not fight with them. They will kill themselves, but I will stay extreme.
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    4. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 7 2014 20: 49
      +3
      Quote: parus2nik
      therefore, the patriots of their country are being called on to the National Guard,

      And in this connection I liked
      "we ask them questions about the history of Ukraine"
      I would very much like to read the "correct" version! Something probably about DrevneUkrov who came from time immemorial, who with their bare hands, for fat, tore all the dinosaurs, created Atlantis, destroyed Troy .......!
    5. avs1208
      avs1208 April 8 2014 01: 49
      +1
      “They think like this: he came, got a machine gun and went to fight east”

      Well, the suit is eventually wooden ...
  2. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 7 2014 19: 29
    +6
    Desires and opportunities do not coincide, both among the state and among citizens. The National Guard is a stillborn child of the Maidan revolution.
  3. Sergg
    Sergg April 7 2014 19: 36
    +3
    The Ukrainian junta will not be able to feed the national guard, and how else to pay salaries? They will hand over tanks and planes for scrap metal and thereby pay with the national guard. Moreover, modern troops must be high-tech to carry out serious tasks, it’s even funny to talk about the future of the national guard.
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    3. Stalker
      Stalker April 7 2014 20: 08
      +11
      The Ukrainian junta will not be able to feed the national guard, and how else to pay salaries?

      A postman has been following Yaytsenyuh for a long time ..., he is trying to hand the summons to God's judgment !!!! am
  4. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU April 7 2014 19: 39
    +10
    And I was interested in the statistics of appeals by regions. From the meadow. Man 3 region !!! And in Odessa there are many ... So much for the evidence on the Russian Banderovites and the influence of industry on the preserved. Russian spirit
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 7 2014 21: 45
      +2
      Do not forget about the propaganda! And as recent events show: The new authorities of Ukraine have a rich fantasy ....
    2. yur
      yur April 8 2014 01: 14
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      And I was interested in the statistics of appeals by regions. From the meadow. Man 3 region !!! And in Odessa there are many ... So much for the evidence on the Russian Banderovites and the influence of industry on the preserved. Russian spirit
      It's just that in the Odessa region there are many who have moved from Western Ukraine.
  5. mamont5
    mamont5 April 7 2014 19: 42
    +5
    Yes, the Ukrainian National Guard is the wood that the current government of Ukraine wants to throw in the furnace of a civil war. And the fact that the majority will burn it and it does not matter.
  6. andrewvlg
    andrewvlg April 7 2014 19: 43
    +5
    But to date, not one of those who passed the selection in the recruitment service, could not pass the military commission.

    Feels my heart, now it turns out that the psychiatrist on the commission is a "Muscovite" in disguise. Probably the most common diagnosis is Hasek's "feeble-minded simulator".
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 7 2014 19: 55
      +9
      We try to check how a person who wants to serve is a patriot of his country. So that these were not just words about love for the Motherland ...

      I remembered a joke about the medical board (from "Gorodok", in my opinion):
      You’re sitting in a trench, and there’s a tank at you, what’s going to do?
      I will destroy him, comrade surgeon!
      And if the platoon is coming at you?
      Destroy it, definitely!
      Hmm .. And if the company?
      Comrade doctor, so what am I going to serve alone in the guard ?!
  7. Egoza
    April 7 2014 19: 46
    +10
    National Guard - ELITE !!! It’s necessary to screw up such a name! And at the same time they were VERY counting on them! After all, they are going to fire 28 thousand of the current militiamen! Looks like they were considered "unreliable". Only with the National Guard they missed !!!
  8. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 April 7 2014 19: 46
    +10
    From the article
    “They think this way: he came, received a machine gun and went to fight east,” recruiters say.
    The guys hoped to get a military weapon and to do robberies in their "free" time. And when they realized that they had a flight with weapons and they were stupidly used as cannon fodder, they raised the whine and let them go home. So it was in Dnepropetrovsk.
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 April 7 2014 23: 29
      0
      Damn, they all want to rob! Who will earn it? wassat
  9. ZU-23
    ZU-23 April 7 2014 19: 48
    +2
    Because it is better to enlist in the Russian army laughing
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 7 2014 20: 08
      +2
      Article "plus". It's a sin, but I haven't laughed like that for a long time. Every paragraph here is a masterpiece:
      Quote: ZU-23
      We will note that, according to the available information, not only men, but also women aspire to serve in the National Guard in the Odessa region. However, according to Derzhlapin, the needs for the female contingent are extremely limited.

      Well, yes, yes .. European values! We are ready to join the Euroassociation, and the needs are already in line.
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 7 2014 20: 57
      +2
      Quote: ZU-23
      Because it is better to enlist in the Russian army

      God forbid! The earcaps that didn’t even come to the HOHloguard are dangerous for yourself and those around you! You read, you’re already going to fight with Romania!
  10. Angro Magno
    Angro Magno April 7 2014 19: 48
    +1
    I'm wondering, profanation of the idea of ​​nat. Guard is the successful work of Russian spies or a national character trait of self-gunners?
  11. Russ69
    Russ69 April 7 2014 19: 56
    +4
    They write that security forces from Kiev arrived in Donetsk. God forbid, at night something will start not good ...
  12. morpogr
    morpogr April 7 2014 19: 56
    +7
    Yes, those fighters and volunteers.
  13. Keeper
    Keeper April 7 2014 19: 57
    +2
    They are in no hurry to sign up, because to fight against Russia with what in their hands ?! Molotov cocktails ?! Hunting rifles or "aka" ?!
    You can be zombie with information, but a sense of common sense!
  14. Lich
    Lich April 7 2014 20: 04
    +6
    “They think like this: he came, got a machine gun and went to fight east”

    In fact, "They think this way: they came, got a gun, took a picture for social networks, scared the enemies and threw it off the huckster."
  15. konvalval
    konvalval April 7 2014 20: 12
    +7
    It turned out that in Ukraine the D.O.P.A.K.O.V. was much less than what Paruby thought.
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  18. loginovich
    loginovich April 7 2014 20: 20
    +5
    Here is what today the maydanuty Odessa site wrote about the mobilization bravely
    Military enlistment offices are looking for mobresource in enterprises

    In the Odessa region, military registration and enlistment offices distribute letters to enterprises demanding to urgently give them lists of employees to be mobilized by category. That is, in the military enlistment offices there is no high-quality accounting. However, there is no money for mobilization: they offer to buy rations on their own.

    Buying off mobilization costs $ 1500, but you can also bargain for 200.
  19. Grenz
    Grenz April 7 2014 20: 27
    +9
    The story of one resident of Ukraine about visiting a military unit where his nephew served.
    "They could not wait for Vasyl for a long time near the fence. Upon arrival, he said that he was punished for diligence. They were given canvas belts with badges with a star and were told to grind off the stars with files. He grinded down so much that a star-shaped hole remained (he trimmed it still). He asked me to bring slippers, as the boots will be taken away and drunk anyway. They don’t scold for slippers. And in the evening, parents line up along the fence and hand-feed the children. They don’t let them. He still takes the bender.
    I don’t know if it’s true or not. But I think, not far from the truth.
    1. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros April 7 2014 23: 52
      0
      And the army glasses do not clean with forks there? And in general, their homeland gave them stars, wear, wear stars ...
      The entire Ukrainian army in one video:
  20. Leshka
    Leshka April 7 2014 20: 34
    +5
    national guard is a bunch of pyanits angry
  21. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 7 2014 20: 46
    0
    Yeah !!!! They started to hope !!! There was hope for criminals and patients of psychiatric spancers with banderlogs at the head. But the population is silent, they are thinking of serving time, they need to fight for life in Russia! Neither the junta nor its owners want to get a civilized divorce.
  22. kind
    kind April 7 2014 20: 50
    +1
    National Guard, and where is the nation? What is a nation?
    V. Dahl's Explanatory Dictionary of the Living Great Russian Language - "NATION"
    - people, in the vast sense., language, tribe, tribe; homogeneous people speaking one common language, all classes. National, national or people peculiar;


    Modern explanatory dictionary of the Russian language by T.F. Efremova - "NATION"
    nation [nation] 1) The historically established stable community of people that arose on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, as well as on the basis of a national culture specific only to a given ethnic group, voluntarily and naturally accepted by all, and formed on its basis of national interest. 2) State, country.

    There is no stable community of people and language in Ukraine. There is no national interest.
  23. dr.star75
    dr.star75 April 7 2014 20: 50
    +1
    And we have almost the same guard, but more numerous: the GUARD is called, she’s even better armed! Well, Ukrainians need: understand and forgive! wassat
  24. With Petrovsky
    With Petrovsky April 7 2014 21: 13
    0
    Every paramilitary device requires discipline.
  25. DMB-78
    DMB-78 April 7 2014 21: 23
    0
    Well, the current government can’t do anything. for that it will not undertake, continuous zilch. only mess they organize perfectly
  26. Dmitry Toderes
    Dmitry Toderes April 7 2014 21: 26
    0
    So, one of those keen to enlist in the National Guard, who introduced himself as Alexander, said that he was going to "defend Ukraine from aggression and fight against the Romanians."

    If you recall the history of Ukraine, then it was Ukraine that was joined by the territories of Romania and populated by Romanians, so that the blathering of Ukrainian Natsiks is completely unreasonable and disgusting, as well as their blinking for any reason. Ushlopki in one word.

    In general, the territory of Ukraine is woven artificially - and even without the Crimea there are many territories taken at different times from different states, including Russia - due to the sobering thinking of some politicians.
  27. doc62
    doc62 April 7 2014 21: 35
    0
    the easier it is for all the freaks of the National Guard to calculate and level
  28. postman
    postman April 7 2014 21: 39
    0
    National Guard Volunteers at the training ground learn to shoot accurately and throw grenades







    winked
  29. Arh
    Arh April 7 2014 21: 40
    0
    But Ukrainians understand that there are fascists !!!
  30. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 7 2014 21: 48
    0
    And for whom, for the sake of what and with whom, to fight then? People want to live, and not fight ....
  31. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 7 2014 22: 15
    +1
    Why should they be surprised when they raised their young generation, instilled a sense of homeland? Parents of half of the children earn money in Russia, in the country and they see it every day, robbery of the people by the state and the replacement of the system of eternal, centuries-old values ​​are flourishing. And those who managed to grow up in this mess a normal person, well, once he does not go to their service.
  32. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. April 7 2014 23: 43
    0
    Quote: serega.fedotov
    Do not forget about the propaganda! And as recent events show: The new authorities of Ukraine have a rich fantasy ....

    So they decided that the National Guard would save them ...
    And they also decided to ban the Russian language ...
    And they also saw Russian occupiers, they could not distinguish them from Ukrainian citizens.
  33. pOpolzen
    pOpolzen April 8 2014 03: 57
    0
    Pistol Troops - Scooter Company laughing
  34. Megatron
    Megatron April 8 2014 05: 07
    0
    Prepare cannon fodder.
  35. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 8 2014 06: 16
    0
    Dulled patriotism in Ukraine turned out to be!
  36. Yarik
    Yarik April 8 2014 06: 57
    0
    parus2nik Yesterday, 19:26
    that the most important thing in military service is love for the motherland, therefore, patriots of their country are called to the National Guard, who are ready to defend it


    Patriots of the national currency wink