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How was formed the Ukrainian political nation. Eyewitness

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How was formed the Ukrainian political nation. Eyewitness



When I studied at the Russian-speaking Ukrainian school in the Southeast on 90, every September 1 and every “last bell” were accompanied by a quiet laugh (while listening to the Ukrainian hymn and raising the Ukrainian flag). To us, Russian-speaking boys, who grew up under the residual influence of Soviet cinema and culture, where they had their own fantasy, Soviet militants, and cartoons, the new “Ukrainian world” seemed provincial and even a little “rural”. Someone in the school row even cynically commented on it like this: “We are raising this rag again?” Then a boy came out in bloomers and a girl in Ukrainian ribbons and told Ukrainian verse to assembled Russian-speaking teachers, parents and classmates ... But today there is a whole generation that grew up us, which 24 uses Russian a day, but very sensitive to the anthem of Ukraine, to state symbolism and stories. Why?

Up to the 2004 year in the political life of Ukraine, “zapadentsy”, including old men and babies, were quietly “smoked on the sidelines” according to percent of the vote. The southeast itself decided who would be president and who would be in charge of everything in the country. This, of course, Dnipropetrovsk and Donetsk. Kravchuk became the first president only because he did not want Chernovol-Westerner. Kuchma - because the “red director” was in favor of the “Russian language” only in words. Remember how in the elections in 1999, Simonenko and Vitrenko had more votes than Kuchma! But with the help of intrigue, a split of the left front and a grenade RGD-5, Kuchma again became president! And in 2004, the West of Ukraine has already awakened, and not because it has suddenly become more, but because the first harvest of Svidomo among Russian-speaking people has ripened. But why?! How is it possible that in a country where, for 23 of the year of independence, not a single children's film and cartoon was shot, where the maximum 1-2 film was shot, is there a whole galaxy of patriotic generation “1986 +”? Has such a miracle been performed only by one Trojan horse in the form of a Russian-language history textbook of Ukraine? Let's see ...



Media and media culture

Before 1994-1995, some Russian TV channels in Ukraine were in free analog broadcasting. Then came the restrictions ... Since in those years, the concept of “satellite TV” meant luxury, and “cable TV” meant showing films by cable, the Russian-speaking Ukrainian or ethnic Russian a priori could not form their own information playlist. Since 95, Ukrainian TV has been moving away from the “farmer’s format”. Despite the shutdown of Russian TV channels, Russian TV content is present in some Ukrainian channels in the form of a telecast package. Therefore, all the attempts and the first steps of the Ukrainian TV were failures, the Russian-speaking viewer watched “Field of Miracles”, “Look”, “Guess the Melody”, etc., more. Creative and Western novelty comes faster and better from Moscow, even if it is liberal, but Russian-speaking and Russian. But since 1997-1998, the Ukrainian media space has exploded with such Ukrainian-language products as 1 + 1 and ICTV. These channels are an order of magnitude different from the state-owned Ukrainian-speaking channels UT-1 and UT-2, where they only talked about the amazing flora of Ukraine and the verses of Shevchenko. It turns out that Ukrainians can produce cool television programs in the style of the West. It turns out that the guys who broadcast in Ukrainian also love breaks, parties and all kinds of shows. Separate attention deserves the TV channel «ICTV», which turns relatively new American films with Ukrainian translation. And all this against the background of the absence of Russian television channels and films, not counting the pirate Russian-language mono voices. Prior to the wide penetration of satellite TV, classic cable and the Internet, which could have stopped the first wave of Ukrainization and formed a free information choice, 5-8 remained for years depending on the region. And that was enough. As a result, the first idols and favorite programs appear ...

Sport



There are three athletes who contributed to the formation of the political nation of Ukraine from Lviv to Donetsk - these are the Klitschko brothers and Andriy Shevchenko. And it does not matter that they were products of the Soviet cult of sport and sports movement. There are facts - “Golden Ball” and championship belts. All three athletes are Russian-speaking Ukrainians, to whom the totalitarian USSR gave a free start to life. I recall the Klitschko brothers before 2004. Yes, they were real Russian men. Remember the words of brother Vladimir Klitschko to his brother Vitaly during the break between rounds with Lewis! Vladimir said: “He (Lewis) is also podzai ..., hush!” A classic strong Russian expression! And then what? Won glamor and liberalism, began shooting in gay magazines and liberal-national policy. Vitalik's demonstrative transition to the Ukrainian language. As for football, he made a significant contribution to the spike of space from Lviv to Donetsk. This was facilitated by the oligarchs who pumped the championship with money, brought professionalism, and, as a result, European football giants began to come to Ukraine more often, victories and pride appeared. Bad - nothing! But it was already binding to the new society. And the match between Russia and Ukraine 1999 with the participation of A. Shevchenko and goalkeeper Filimonov from the Russian Federation was the moment that helped consolidate the thesis that Ukraine is not Russia.

Music and variety

Even Russian-speaking Ukrainian performers contributed to the separation of the great Russian superethnos. Tusovki basically held in Kiev. Since 2000-ies, radio and television broadcasts have been saturated with Ukrainian-language performers, despite weak payback and demand. Bright and expensive clips, and most importantly, creative. The group "Ocean Elzy" with its youth and creative clip in the fridge is taking the stage. And then the whole locomotive: Ani Lorak, Ruslana, TMK, Scriabin, Tartak, etc.



Terrible Chechnya

This is one of the main factors of the impossibility of restoring the "Russian World" on the principle of "bottom" in 90-x. They frightened Chechnya, starting from distributing video cassettes with bullying Russian soldiers, ending with school bars, where an excellent girl in Russian said something like this: “Thank you Ukraine for its peaceful sky, and for the fact that we don’t have our Chechnya.” Ukraine, like Russia in 90, was very difficult, but the factor of the two Chechen wars and the thesis that Ukrainian guys would shed blood in Chechnya in the case of integration processes with the Russian Federation was actively fueled by the media right up to 2005.

Politically ill society

Ukrainian politics is an illusion of democracy. In fact, it is permissiveness. Since 2004, the Ukrainian society has been in a drunken stupor from liberalism and creative politics. It believed that society was advanced and politically savvy, in contrast to Lapotnaya Russia, where the command-administrative system did not allow Russians to live in peace, that is, restored factories and the military-industrial complex after the Yeltsin liberal era and the oligarchy. Just think, factories and airplanes, think about the revival of the Russian army, but in Ukraine you can publicly have sex near the parliament in front of journalists and throw mud at the authorities on the air. Guests of political shows are, as a rule, not experts, but politicians and populists. This is Russia's destiny - silently stamping laws and reforms, and in Ukraine there are fights in the Verkhovna Rada, and it is always beautiful. Probably fighting for people's interests? Thanks to the endless chatter on the box, even the grandmothers of Ukraine already in the kitchens operate with such terms and concepts as “civil society” and “legal culture”. Here are just another Maidan, and the country will begin to carry out reforms following the example of Poland 1994 year. And this “just now” is already waiting for 10 for years since the time of total activization of civil society organizations that exist for Western grants and “teach” Ukrainians at seminars on political discussion and literacy. I envy the Russians, who have a TV channel "Star", which is devoted entirely to the army (similar to the TV channel "Pentagon" in the United States). There are such interesting programs and TV shows in Russia, like “Vesti. Mechanical Engineering "in which they talk about new plants and forms of production. And in Ukraine only plots, as a deputy Lyashko walks with forks in cabinets ...



Yushchenko

Yushchenko made a breakthrough in the Ukrainianization of the consciousness of the Russian-speaking population. Do not be confused by the external gloss of politics, namely its complete failure. His main achievement is 5 years of successful humanitarian policy in education. This ended with a compromising historical tale about the "bad" and "good" Bandera, where some fought with the Germans and the Soviets, and other evil Bandera only against the Soviets and together with the Germans, for example, the SS division "Galicia". From now on, all Bandera are heroes, and the Soviets are invaders. It was under Yushchenko’s first time that football fans of the Russian-speaking cities of Ukraine began shouting UPA chants: “Glory to the nation! “Death to the enemies!” It was at the end of his reign that the official current and phenomenon appeared - the “Russian-speaking Bandera”, in which even ethnic Russians are and are proud of it. It was with him that the expression appeared: “Though I am Russian, but if Russia comes here ...” It was with him that the fashion for “embroidered clothes” appeared. It is difficult and embarrassing to realize that such a spineless politician like Yushchenko broke the political backbone of the arc: Odessa - Donetsk - Kharkov. Of course, this is not his merit, but the team that was behind him in the shadow ...

Yanukovych

Yanukovych is the grave of the “Russian World” in Ukraine. There is nothing more to say. Everyone and everything is clear.

Conclusion

First of all, it is necessary to recognize the fact that the Russian-speaking South-East of Ukraine is already heterogeneous and different. Approximately 40% of Russian speakers, with the exception of Donbass (Lugansk and Donetsk regions), where Russian supporters up to 70%, are sympathetic to the Kiev junta. No need to harbor illusions. In Ukraine, there are a huge number of Russian-speaking people who identify themselves not just as Ukrainians, but as patriots. Separate attention deserve the Russian-speaking consumers, who are all "on the drum." In previous publications, we figured out that Russian self-awareness in spirit is correlated with the industrialization of the region. For example, in the 2004 elections of the year in the resort and entrepreneurial city of Berdyansk, Zaporozhye region, where 95% communicate in Russian, 22,5% of the population voted for Yushchenko. And in Mariupol, which is from Berdyansk in 75 km and where 95% of the population also speak Russian, Yushchenko gave only 4% of votes. And how many years have passed since then? For those for whom this discovery, I recommend the publication: "Who are they, Russian-speaking Bandera in Ukraine !?", "Dnepropetrovsk is no longer a Russian city" and "How to cure Russian-speaking Bandera in Ukraine?".
After realizing and accepting such a reality and such facts, official Russia and its society should find approaches to keep Ukraine from slipping into nationalism and into the sphere of influence of NATO.
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  1. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 April 7 2014 07: 44
    +9
    where supporters of Russia up to 70% are sympathetic to the Kiev junta. No need to harbor illusions. In Ukraine, there are a huge number of Russian-speaking people who identify themselves not just as Ukrainians, but as patriots
    time will judge us.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      April 7 2014 08: 13
      +6
      Quote: platitsyn70
      where supporters of Russia up to 70% are sympathetic to the Kiev junta. No need to harbor illusions. In Ukraine, there are a huge number of Russian-speaking people who identify themselves not just as Ukrainians, but as patriots
      time will judge us.


      I am sorry, but your quote is not complete and distorts the meaning. In the east of Ukraine 70% for Russia. Be careful please.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 April 7 2014 08: 53
        +2
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        I am sorry, but your quote is not complete and distorts the meaning. In the east of Ukraine 70% for Russia. Be careful please.

        Let’s not deceive ourselves, there aren’t 70% of people supporting Russian politics in the east of the Holodomor. Brainwashing is overwhelming, and many have led to propaganda that Ukraine is not Russia and has a sweeter life in geyropa, which is especially true among young people. half of the middle class, the rest of the bourgeois and hard workers who pay good money for work, do not want to remember about Gaster and the dominance of the sexual minority. My wife lives there a lot, we communicate constantly. And if Russia is not an enemy for them, then love moo has not a friend-brother sestra.Myshlenie they broke, every day for four months, day and night they repeat that all the troubles of Russia, and it does not help, and even a scarecrow with the war and the troops along the border. Here, the majority will have a phase shift. So there isn’t such strong support for Russia, but we are to blame, there haven’t been any work in the media and non-governmental organizations since 1991. Now we’re dissolving. It’s warming, it’s not blood, sooner or later know about yourself.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev April 7 2014 13: 39
          +3
          Quote: ele1285
          Thinking they broke

          This is Comrade. In his article, Nevsky oversimplifies the situation, looking only at a short historical period. After all, "to break thinking" It’s good to propagandize only those who are happy to be propagandized.
          At school, the children are taught the wrong story, but what is nobody to correct at home?
          I know this very well from my relatives and friends.
          Many even during the Soviet era were malignant about Russia, although in everyday life they were not noticed with anything "defaming him". Good neighbors and friends ... At least hang them on the board of honor. Some of these reached the directors of the largest factories and secretaries of the Central Committee, and, moreover, according to ideology !? yes We all know their praises.
          And Bandera’s propaganda wasn’t bulo, but tilko Soviet, communist ... request

          And in the 18th century, Who wanted, according to Pushkin, "to break out into a war on hated Moscow"?
          Why did the "Brave Orlik" and the "Zaporozhye ataman (K. Gordienko), who shared his fate" perish on the block?
          Why did the Germans in 1941 let Ukrainians go to the homes of prisoners of war, not only those who came from Galicia, but Chernihiv, Poltava?
          Although, of course, there are many pro-Russian characters in the history of Ukraine.
          But ... you won’t erase a word from a song.
          These stray sheep will have to be promoted.
          But, I assure you, many are completely useless. (This is me to the natural collapse of Ukraine) yes
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 April 7 2014 15: 27
            +1
            Quote: Alekseev
            Many in the days of the Soviet Union were angry about Russia,

            I categorically agree. Bandera was released from the camps during the time of Khrushchev and got what we have. Because how much this scum got into the Komsomol and the CPSU and promoted their kids there. Yes, and the Georgians in the 08,08,08 war drank in Russia for the victory of a tie-eater. Our leadership does not know how countries to work with information and propaganda.
            These stray sheep will have to be propagandized, but I assure many are completely useless

            No, it’s not useless. Six months ago there was no such hatred for Russia, they kicked them. And the competent conduct of the "clarification work will give its fruits literally in three or four months, of course not for 100%. And the Ukrainians need to change their psychology, they are so We are used to the fact that everyone owes them, that this has already become a clinic. Again, we are to blame.
            Germany recently announced the results of studies by European experts of Russian-Ukrainian relations. The conclusion is overwhelming. Russia in the form of non-repaid, written off, interest-free loans and borrowings, direct investments, equipment supplies, etc. etc. for 23 of the year of independence invested Ukraine in the amount of 250 billion dollars!
            Think about it: more than 10 billion dollars a year! Russia took this crazy money from its disabled people, old people and children, poor families, from its economy and gave it to the Ukrainians, who today curse the Russians for it.
            Where did this easy money go? In the pockets of corrupt presidents, their godfathers and matchmakers, oligarchs a la Timoshenko-Poroshenko and other evil spirits.
      2. Ilotan
        Ilotan April 7 2014 09: 04
        +2
        I wonder who and by what method calculates these percentages? According to the principle: half-finger-ceiling? Even 10% of the politically active population is able to impose its will on the passive majority, as Maidan clearly demonstrated. Twenty years ago, 80% of the population in a referendum supported the preservation of the Soviet Union. Well?
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          April 7 2014 09: 58
          +5
          Quote: Ilotan
          I wonder who and by what method calculates these percentages? According to the principle: half-finger-ceiling? Even 10% of the politically active population is able to impose its will on the passive majority, as Maidan clearly demonstrated. Twenty years ago, 80% of the population in a referendum supported the preservation of the Soviet Union. Well?


          Now I will explain to you where the interest comes from. It was not for nothing that I gave the example of the city of Berdyansk, where I lived for many years. The population of the city is 110 thousand. It is located clearly in the southeast. Once upon a time there were 6 factories in the city, there was an airport, the seaport was 100% loaded, and the population was 126 thousand. Now there is 1 plant there - Azmol, and then with another, and the port is 50% loaded. The population of the city is engaged in renting out housing to vacationers, i.e. went into service personnel, became consumer. Even the leader of the local nat. cell "Svoboda" rents housing to vacationing Russians, think ?! But the neighboring city of Berdyansk, Mariupol, predominantly retained its industry, and with it the "Russian spirit". It was not for nothing that I quoted the official data of voting on Yushchenko / Yanukovych for 2004 in my article. Now imagine Nikolaev, where all shipbuilding degraded, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk? The active population is engaged in entrepreneurship, which in turn is most susceptible to liberalism. The rest are service personnel. If at the time of 2004 there were 22,5% orange in Berdyansk, then it is logical that in 10 years, there will be about 40% of them, which is confirmed by the local Internet resources of the city according to reviews and voting. Others here are already Russians, others sad
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev April 7 2014 21: 09
            0
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            The active population is engaged in entrepreneurship, which in turn is most susceptible to liberalism.

            Yes, to a certain extent you are right.
            But deindustrialization is not the only reason for the outbreak of contagious nationalism.
            There is a complex of historical, economic and social reasons.
            And, unfortunately, there is no and will not be a simple, painless solution.
            "Spreading the widespread" is only part of the fight for a friendly neighbor.
        2. CALL.
          CALL. April 7 2014 14: 02
          +1
          After realizing and accepting such a reality and such facts, official Russia and its society should find approaches to keep Ukraine from slipping into nationalism and into the sphere of influence of NATO.

          The recipe is simple: - lies must be contrasted with the TRUTH. In 1917 there was not a revolution but an invasion of ALIENS. The Anglo-Saxons, on the eve of the end of the First World War, removed from the division of the fruits of Victory, the Russian Empire, which contributed a lot of blood to this massacre. Under the wing of the Anglo-Saxons and with their money, the majority of revolutionaries (Lenin, Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev, Radek, Uritsky, etc.) were raised who organized revolutions precisely when Russia was at war.
          April 20, 1917 Lenin called for the violent overthrow of the Provisional Government. Vladimir Ilyich exclaimed: “We will do our best to accelerate the onset of this. Let's not be afraid of the victims ... ”Fedorov and Kamenev (Rosenfeld) at a meeting of the Executive Committee of the Petrosoviet on April 20, argued“ that there is nothing to fear the civil war, it has already come and only as a result its people will achieve their liberation ... It was new and then very scary words. The civil war claimed 30 million lives.
          ALIEN: these are Trotsky's supporters. They also provoked the famine of 1922, 1932, repression of the innocent! 936-38, catastrophes of 1941-42 organized by generals Pavlov, Kirponos, Vlasov and other generals, the same Khrushchev in the Kharkov catastrophe in the spring of 1942, falsification of the report of the XX Congress "on the cult personality ". The apotheosis is the betrayal of the Marked One. And socialism and the Russian people are to blame for everything.
      3. Cherdak
        Cherdak April 7 2014 13: 49
        +1
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        In the east of Ukraine 70% for Russia.

        More precisely, for the "Russian ration" - pensions are twice as high as the existing ones, guaranteed Russian orders for factories, updated medicine and other goodies that were taken away by "Kiev lads"
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          April 7 2014 14: 19
          0
          Quote: Cherdak
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          In the east of Ukraine 70% for Russia.

          More precisely, for the "Russian ration" - pensions are twice as high as the existing ones, guaranteed Russian orders for factories, updated medicine and other goodies that were taken away by "Kiev lads"


          Hard answer ... sad
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev April 7 2014 21: 13
            0
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Hard answer ...

            Attempt reduce everything to "Russian rations" is typical for Western media.
            The question is many times more complicated. Interestingly, from their point of view, the unification of Germany also occurred only due to the desire for a more abundant rations in Germany?
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 April 7 2014 15: 54
          0
          Quote: Cherdak
          More precisely, for the "Russian ration" - pensions are twice as high as the existing ones, guaranteed Russian orders for factories, updated medicine and other goodies that were taken away by "Kiev lads"

          And what's wrong with that? The fish is looking for where deeper, and the man, where is the fish. Just would not write what More precisely for "Russian rations". Living in Russia, I do not feel like a prisoner.
    2. katastrofa
      katastrofa April 7 2014 08: 18
      +19
      US State Department !!! smiled
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 7 2014 08: 49
        +4
        The picture is wrong. Instead of an elephant there should be a donkey. In power, the shit is now that Obama, that Kerry, and the elephant is a symbol of the Republicans.
        1. General Frost
          General Frost April 7 2014 09: 00
          +2
          Then instead of an ostrich there should be a donkey !!! laughing laughing good
          1. Sars
            Sars April 7 2014 11: 14
            +1
            The sequence of the beast: an American elephant, an American donkey, a European frog, a Ukrainian parody, and a terrible bear.
          2. Sars
            Sars April 7 2014 11: 14
            0
            The sequence of the beast: an American elephant, an American donkey, a European frog, a Ukrainian parody, and a terrible bear.
    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ April 7 2014 09: 18
      +2
      In Ukraine there are a huge number of Russians who identify themselves not just as Ukrainians, but as patriots ... (from the article)


      I would add "hurray-patriotic Ukrainians", although they are Russians themselves, with a Russian speech. That's where the trouble of the Russian world is!
      Russians in Ukraine are no longer Russians. They become "Ukrainians", although there is no such nationality in my understanding.
      "Ukrainians" is a centuries-old invention of the West (Poles, Austro-Hungarians, etc.), with the aim of destroying the Russian World, with the aim of destroying the Russians from within, forcing them, the Russians, to destroy each other.
      Looked at the "Ukrainian" site "Censor.net". I was struck by the fact that in the comments with anti-Russian slogans and statements are Russian people, with Russian surnames and names.
      On the ships of the "Ukrainian" fleet, the Russian guys shout to the Russians: "The Russians do not surrender." And after surrender they spit in the Russian side, in Russia, and shout that they will not serve Russia. There are these infamous videos on the internet.
      Unfortunately, these "Russians" in Ukraine themselves did not notice how they became non-Russians - "Ukrainians" with Russian surnames and first names and Russian.
      I still hope that in Ukraine, especially in the South-East, there are still truly Russian people, of all nations and nationalities, who are capable of defending the Russian World from the invasion of the West, from the "Ukrainization" of the Russian people and Russian lands.
  2. Chifka
    Chifka April 7 2014 07: 46
    +4
    Nobody says that everything is simple with Ukraine. For many years the Russians in Ukraine have been duped specifically. It's just that now this problem has ceased to be hushed up. The abscess burst. And there is a moment when we can counter the fooling of the West with our real and clear arguments. Moreover, we already have the Crimea, and "polite people". The main thing is not about ..... the moment, as usual. IMHO.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 7 2014 08: 09
      +3
      Quote: Chifka
      And there comes a time when we can fool the West against our real and clear arguments

      You argue as if you’re talking to people who are normal-minded to talk ... But everything is different ... There is no knowledge steers, but faith. Have you ever tried to argue with a believer about God? That's about the same thing. ..Only time, only the difference in the socio-economic life of the same Crimea and mainland Ukraine will allow us to weaken the darling of Ukrainian heads ...
  3. mirag2
    mirag2 April 7 2014 07: 47
    +3
    Perhaps so. Yes, what is possible, I naturally remember how in the mid-90s I bought a new film on video, and a week later they showed it on NTV, I almost stopped buying cassettes. That is, no copyright, all the fresh US action films were .All taught us to live "in the market".
    And about the naked ones, if Venediktov or Novodvorskaya say that Putin is already used to it, and if some horseradish with nailed eggs (it's something out of the ordinary!) - he will say the same thing - it will be noticeable in the stream world info.
    This is where all sorts of pussiraite come from.
  4. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 7 2014 07: 51
    +3
    Well, nothing! Today's rulers will re-educate many. In most "pots" heads wake up ...
  5. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 7 2014 07: 53
    +5
    Everything seems to be clear .. But ..
    -Nas, so taught ...
    “But why were you the best student?”
    I. Schwartz play "Dragon"
  6. Igor39
    Igor39 April 7 2014 07: 54
    +1
    Yatsenyuk with a new economic policy will cure everyone.
    1. Denis
      Denis April 7 2014 08: 05
      +17
      Quote: Igor39
      Yatsenyuk with a new economic policy will cure everyone.
  7. Grenz
    Grenz April 7 2014 07: 54
    +6
    A good example - the third World Information-Psychological War entered a desperate phase.
    In practice, only through carefully thought-out psychological operations, a fraternal country is lost.
    Yes, and in Russia we clearly see its echoes (NGOs, Hubbard, HRC, Sect, EG, "peace marches", etc.).
    Manipulation of consciousness (impact on the subconscious) - today the main methods of enemy propaganda.
    We will not build a barrier to the psychological protection of a healthy part of the people (there will still be those who are dissatisfied) - atomic missiles will not save us. The enemy will eat us from the inside.
  8. mabuta
    mabuta April 7 2014 07: 54
    +22
    And the National Guard they generally horror.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal April 7 2014 08: 56
      0
      Quote: mabuta
      And the National Guard they generally horror.

      - do not be horrified by this, but rejoice - there are fewer losses when you are ripe to overthrow this junta, and sooner or later you will have to mature. For their policy "we want to be against Russia, to breed anti-Russian hysteria for any reason, to be" western "west of the Americans and the Britons, to admit NATO, missile defense and give Crimea to the US Navy, but at the same time Russia is obliged to supply gas at $ 280. - why it is obliged - is not explained, but here it is obliged and that's all. There is usually a tricky screw for this, so you will have to use it, I am a skeptic and I do not see a peaceful resolution of the conflict in Ukraine, except how to give a good mouth.
      As for the subject, the author wrote a lot to the media. There is no need to attach too much importance to the media, this Ukriana’s banderization is spreading in the old tracks, so banderization would have happened anyway. Large social systems are systems with a long memory, Markov processes operate there, therefore, previously stifled aspirations developed.
    2. Ilotan
      Ilotan April 7 2014 09: 07
      0
      Cool! I have not seen this. I'm starting to be afraid.
    3. zorcher
      zorcher April 7 2014 09: 54
      0
      This is Photoshop, but still funny, of course)
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  10. Sergg
    Sergg April 7 2014 07: 57
    +4
    One thing is for sure is what they did to Ukraine and wanted to do with Russia. Praise God that we remained ourselves.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 April 7 2014 08: 25
      +7
      Quote: Sergg
      One thing is for sure is what they did to Ukraine and wanted to do with Russia. Thank god we stayed sa

      Thanks to Ukraine for vaccination from the West! How many she cured.
      And she singled out those whom no vaccination can save, only the operation.
    2. Ilotan
      Ilotan April 7 2014 09: 10
      +2
      Do not be complacent. Nothing is over yet. The enemy does not sleep.
  11. Sergg
    Sergg April 7 2014 08: 00
    +1
    That Western intervention that hit Ukraine did its dirty deed in Russia too.
    We in Russia were also fed nationalism, a thirst for profit, debauchery, covered by the lies of the media and politicians.
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 7 2014 08: 13
      +1
      Quote: Sergg
      That Western intervention that hit Ukraine did its dirty deed in Russia too.
      We in Russia were also fed nationalism, a thirst for profit, debauchery, covered by the lies of the media and politicians.

      Thank God our people began to understand where the truth is and where is the info attack! I hope in Ukraine the people, too, when
      1. Grbear
        Grbear April 7 2014 08: 59
        +3
        serega.fedotov
        Thank God our people began to understand where the truth is ...

        What are you talking about. The fact that we do not have an obvious split on the left-right is the merit of the "red directors" who, in their time, "removed" EBN. But the influence of the West caught on and remained. Examples:
        - Participation in the WTO;
        - The irrepressible thirst for consumption, and not the repayment of loans does not mean decency of the people. Although, financial institutions themselves provoke the situation, placing profit at any cost at the forefront.
        - The material stratification of society against the background of a growing lack of education (they still know how to read, but no longer think).
        - The slogan "every man for himself" - old people do not want to teach young people, seeing them as competitors, which is encouraged (after 50 you cannot find a qualified job, except for a machine operator).
        There are many signs and you know them.

        We ourselves stand on one foot and, although we have stopped hanging out and have chosen a direction, stability is still a long way off. Therefore, we must act with extreme caution with Ukraine. hi
    2. Kural
      Kural April 7 2014 12: 42
      +1
      And, unfortunately, not unsuccessfully (((. Dukes and we have enough. It is surprising and a sin to rejoice, but the current situation in Ukraine is a good vaccine against this muck.
  12. siberko
    siberko April 7 2014 08: 01
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    And about the naked ones, if Venediktov or Novodvorskaya say that Putin is already used to it, and if some horseradish with nailed eggs (it's something out of the ordinary!) - he will say the same thing - it will be noticeable in the stream world info.
    This is where all sorts of pussiraite come from.

    Totally moved ....
  13. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 7 2014 08: 05
    +1
    It seems to me that not everything is so simple with the football player Shevchenko. More precisely, Andryukha is an honest guy, he didn’t do anything in football and life. I am absolutely sure that he was offered to take part in this play * party blow *. Beat something he has, popularity, fans. Come out with nicknames on the elections, and the blow was more deputies. You look, and it would be enough for a non-found option / which is unlikely /.
  14. anfil
    anfil April 7 2014 08: 06
    +2
    In Russia, two troubles are fools and roads, and in Ukraine one banderlog.
  15. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 7 2014 08: 08
    +1
    Fools, earth is halfway !!!
  16. smith7
    smith7 April 7 2014 08: 10
    +2
    I would like ... And I categorically insist that the Russians be respected. If in the SEI vote by a majority vote for federalization or for joining Russia, then so be it! And as far as the Russians are there, whatever one may say, they need to be helped to return to the right side. It will be better for them ... though it's not for me to decide. Our broadcast channels will also be, and they will raise children as Russians will, and the pride of their country, Russia, will appear in the majority of Donbass over time. Everything will settle down. Well, maybe not right away ... I'm sure.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas April 7 2014 13: 37
      0
      Quote: smith7
      And as far as the Russians are there, whatever one may say, they need to be helped to return to the right side.

      Get out of the dusk for everyone!
  17. Egor69
    Egor69 April 7 2014 08: 14
    +2
    The article describes well why the "polite people" did not go further to Ukraine. To have on the territory of residence of 30% of the population (young), which are Russian Bandera, this is a serious partisan war.
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 7 2014 08: 51
      +1
      Quote: Egor69
      the article describes well why the "polite people" did not go further to Ukraine. To have on the territory of residence of 30% of the population (young), which are Russian Bandera, this is a serious partisan war.

      Why didn’t you understand everything! Why did you get the idea that someone is afraid of guerrilla warfare?
      Bullshit! Especially with your argument:
      Quote: Egor69
      0% of the population (young) who- Russian Bandera- this is a serious guerrilla war.
  18. Mercenary
    Mercenary April 7 2014 08: 15
    +1
    The Russian TV is to blame for losing the Ukrainian audience and forcibly losing the Russian. There is so much negativity, blood and horror, snickering beau monde and dirty linen of stars. Looking disgusting.
  19. ZU-23
    ZU-23 April 7 2014 08: 16
    +2
    The Ukrainian political nation was formed on corruption, banditry and nepotism, that’s the whole story. Consider a new junta now stuffing bumps as at one time Yanyk with Azarov. So I generally smiled when Yatsenyuk said that he understood that they could not do without Russian gas, so you should know this ram from the school bench or university, of course, if you study with the Americans, how should he know that. It turns out that they themselves do not rummage and listen to the orders of those who do not rummage, only the latter understand what their purpose is, and these zombie sectarians do not at all get what is going on.
  20. askort154
    askort154 April 7 2014 08: 18
    +2
    Everything is logical. Only not words, about where the legs grow from. Russian youth were also "hooked" on
    Western igloo - the West is unlimited freedom, and Russia is despotism and backwardness.
    Western propaganda threw all its resources to the ideology and achieved the desired goal. In Russia and Ukraine
    a new, pro-Western generation has grown up. It is good that the previous generation did not allow the "swamp"
    contagion. And now the Ukrainian "Maidan" will become a good cold shower for the supporters of the "swamp". The Ukrainian crisis is an indicative lesson for Russia. Those who have something to think about will draw the right conclusions.
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 7 2014 08: 53
      0
      Quote: askort154
      Those who have something to think will draw the right conclusions.

      No need to eliminate yourself! If anyone has nothing to think about, then our task is to explain to them!
  21. Quantum
    Quantum April 7 2014 08: 19
    +1
    For 23 years, a generation of zombie youth has grown, processed
    mass media and curators of the idea of ​​independence from the Russian world.
    What is the idea of ​​second-rate Russian people and the very ancient
    the history of Ukrainian civilization ruined by the Muscovites, etc.
    So to speak, on the face of the syndrome - Ivan does not remember his relationship with
    Russian world. It is hoped that the assimilation of living standards on
    Ukraine will force this generation to reconsider its views.
  22. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad April 7 2014 08: 21
    +1
    From now on, all Bandera are heroes, and the Soviets are occupiers. It was under Yushchenko for the first time that football fans of Russian-speaking cities of Ukraine began to shout the UPA sayings: “Glory to the nation! "Death to the enemies!"
    Russian people, come to your senses! Where are your roots? Do not be like banderlogs! Do you really have a way with them?
  23. Nevsky_ZU
    April 7 2014 08: 23
    +2
    Quote: FC Skiff
    It seems to me that not everything is so simple with the football player Shevchenko. More precisely, Andryukha is an honest guy, he didn’t do anything in football and life. I am absolutely sure that he was offered to take part in this play * party blow *. Beat something he has, popularity, fans. Come out with nicknames on the elections, and the blow was more deputies. You look, and it would be enough for a non-found option / which is unlikely /.

    Quote: FC Skiff
    It seems to me that not everything is so simple with the football player Shevchenko. More precisely, Andryukha is an honest guy, he didn’t do anything in football and life. I am absolutely sure that he was offered to take part in this play * party blow *. Beat something he has, popularity, fans. Come out with nicknames on the elections, and the blow was more deputies. You look, and it would be enough for a non-found option / which is unlikely /.


    Skiff ... Shevchenko participated in the 2012 elections in the team of the Royal ...
    1. DMB-78
      DMB-78 April 7 2014 08: 54
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Shevchenko participated in the 2012 election in the team of the Royal ...

      I think there was no politics there. he just liked the singer)
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        April 7 2014 10: 06
        0
        Quote: DMB-78
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Shevchenko participated in the 2012 election in the team of the Royal ...

        I think there was no politics there. he just liked the singer)


        She is not a singer, although it would be better, she is Natalya Korolevska, a political loser, a traitor to Tymoshenko and Yanukovich in one bottle ...
  24. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv April 7 2014 08: 25
    +5
    I do not often comment on material in Ukraine, all this is sick.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav (Nevsky), for the article.
    Imagine how hard it was for you to write it ...

    What else to say ?
    Eheh .....................
    When are you, Ukraine, your mother, WAKE UP ...

    ... Maidans, horse racing, dancing, eternal "glories" and exclamations "we are not stupid" ...
    WELL GOOD to suffer crap ..., it’s time to do business - IT IS EASY TO LIVE JUST, AS THE SLAVIC PEOPLE ALWAYS LIVED.
  25. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 April 7 2014 08: 31
    +3
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    Quote: platitsyn70
    where supporters of Russia up to 70% are sympathetic to the Kiev junta. No need to harbor illusions. In Ukraine, there are a huge number of Russian-speaking people who identify themselves not just as Ukrainians, but as patriots
    time will judge us.


    I am sorry, but your quote is not complete and distorts the meaning. In the east of Ukraine 70% for Russia. Be careful please.

    very correct article, plus article, and post. : reveling in the fact that only we will come to the outskirts and we will be met with flowers incorrectly - or rather silly .. hi
  26. slovak007
    slovak007 April 7 2014 08: 31
    +3
    "that is, it restored factories and the military-industrial complex"
    What kind of plant restoration are you talking about? A simple example from Samara: a ball bearing manufacturing plant - demolished, a submarine electrical equipment manufacturing plant - not functioning, a radio goods manufacturing plant - re-trained, almost toilet bowls are being made, an aircraft and rocket engine manufacturing plant - operates by a third, mainly he is busy with repairs, the plant where Tu-95 and Tu-154 were produced - the employees work half a day and do a maximum of repairs.
    Wake up! Drink there I do not know the blue or red pill!
    1. slovak007
      slovak007 April 7 2014 08: 51
      +1
      And this is not a complete list. And you can minus as much as you like, from this factories will not start working!
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin April 7 2014 09: 20
        0
        And at our plant even in December they didn’t give a salary ... people don’t want to go to the prosecutor’s office only because there’s nowhere to go to work ... and the director, after the order of the prosecutor’s office, issued a point from the prosecutor’s check for 5 tr. and reported that the money had been paid (and at the prompting of the regional administration, they, in turn, eagerly reported to the prosecutor general’s office that they figured out the question) ... and we live ...
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    2. Nevsky_ZU
      April 7 2014 12: 10
      0
      Quote: slovak007
      "that is, it restored factories and the military-industrial complex"
      What kind of plant restoration are you talking about? A simple example from Samara: a ball bearing manufacturing plant - demolished, a submarine electrical equipment manufacturing plant - not functioning, a radio goods manufacturing plant - re-trained, almost toilet bowls are being made, an aircraft and rocket engine manufacturing plant - operates by a third, mainly he is busy with repairs, the plant where Tu-95 and Tu-154 were produced - the employees work half a day and do a maximum of repairs.
      Wake up! Drink there I do not know the blue or red pill!


      From your post, it follows that you want from Russia what the entire USSR produced? Let me remind you, then Soviet Russia relied on the Soviet Ukraine, and ....

      You have at least something that works and develops. And the last one disappears !!! crying
    3. Fin
      Fin April 7 2014 12: 25
      0
      Quote: slovak007
      Wake up! Drink there I do not know the blue or red pill!

      Does God send submarines, planes, rockets?
      Have you flown from the moon? 20 years away? So much has been written about the military-industrial complex that once again you do not want to explain something.
      1. nastran123
        nastran123 April 10 2014 17: 38
        +1
        Little is written. You talk to people who specifically work.
  27. Humpty
    Humpty April 7 2014 08: 36
    +2
    For me, the so-called Svidomo identity consists of sayings - I’m taking it, I’m biting it, it’s better for me to die a cow than my neighbor will have two. grown up.
    - Do you have a neighbor?
    - Yes, take it in the barn.
    Some kind of primitiveness, harmfulness.
    Seriously, this is no longer funny, but somehow bitter.
    1. Zverboy
      Zverboy April 7 2014 13: 56
      +2
      Yes, there is such a thing, but we need to look more widely, for example, we sat down by a father-in-law in the Kiev region: everyone is trying to outstrip someone in something - the one has large geese, the one has a higher fence, the third has a bigger house, the fourth has special seeds and just because no one will share with anyone, such a mentality ...)))
  28. Autolife
    Autolife April 7 2014 08: 45
    +1
    Nda, it seems to be true. Actually, Russia did not have the opportunity to help in these years because it was necessary to localize and neutralize its traitors. I think humanitarian aid in the form of support for channels, various funds, grants, etc. is the future, and this must be dealt with. A lot of money is being spent on this all over the world in order to have loyal politicians. They start small, send elite children to study, study for themselves, then these children come to power and it is easier to negotiate with them. Remember that half of Africa studied with us, as soon as they stopped helping, we lost Africa.
  29. igordok
    igordok April 7 2014 08: 49
    +1
    Former Soviet intelligence officer Vladimir Rezun, who sided with the West and later became known as a writer under the pseudonym Victor Suvorov, may return to Ukraine, where he comes from.

    This was stated by Verkhovna Rada deputy from the ruling party "Freedom" Igor Miroshnichenko.

    The writer himself had previously stated that he was accused of treason in the Soviet era, after which he could not return to his native Cherkasy region.

    Miroshnichenko sent letters to the SBU and received an answer that for a British citizen Vladimir Rezun there are no restrictions on entering Ukraine.

    Freedom invites Viktor Suvorov to return to his homeland, to meet with his family. I personally promise to organize lectures of the writer in the largest universities in Kiev. The author of about two dozen books, which became real bestsellers, dispelled the inventions of communist propaganda and discovered the realities of the work of the Soviet special services for the world, there is something to tell the present young generation. Vladimir Rezun is truly a legendary person who cannot be left without attention of the Ukrainian public, ”the deputy said.

    In 2005, after the victory of the “Orange Revolution”, nationalist deputy Stepan Khmara demanded that the Verkhovna Rada send a request to President Viktor Yushchenko for citizenship of Rezun, whose relatives still live in Cherkasy region.

    The Verkhovna Rada did not support the initiative of Khmara.

    http://www.politnavigator.net/pisatelyu-viktoru-suvorovu-razreshili-vernutsya-na

    -ukrainu.html
  30. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 7 2014 08: 56
    0
    As you call a yacht, so it will float - a song from the famous cartoon, in my opinion, is most suitable for this topic. Since the self-organization of Ukraine took place in a huge hurry, it turned out a pseudo-state. Therefore, all the processes resulting from the dialectic of the development of society and the construction of the state mechanism have led to such a result that it is natural. Whatever is done in a hurry, in haste, in principle, cannot be solid, high-quality.
  31. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 7 2014 09: 05
    0
    There is nothing to discuss here. Give me a wabble, and I will form a nation for you .. The only question is, who sponsored Moses? The Holodomor of Ukraine and the Volga region is resting ..
  32. andrei72
    andrei72 April 7 2014 09: 07
    0
    Quote: slovak007
    "that is, it restored factories and the military-industrial complex"
    What kind of plant restoration are you talking about? A simple example from Samara: a ball bearing manufacturing plant - demolished, a submarine electrical equipment manufacturing plant - not functioning, a radio goods manufacturing plant - re-trained, almost toilet bowls are being made, an aircraft and rocket engine manufacturing plant - operates by a third, mainly he is busy with repairs, the plant where Tu-95 and Tu-154 were produced - the employees work half a day and do a maximum of repairs.
    Wake up! Drink there I do not know the blue or red pill!
    That is, that is ... However, in other places, some plants are really being reborn, or rather they are not allowed to be completely destroyed. Now it seems that the politician has only slightly changed in the right direction, it is IMPOSSIBLE to restore everything right away (there is no banal money, everything). The turn will reach Samara.


    The fact that such a leap in nationalism has occurred in / in Ukraine is a natural phenomenon. The trouble is that Russia missed the opportunity to influence the Ukrainians through the media, for which it was necessary to buy out the media (at least have a controlling stake there) and control the flow of information supplied to the Ukrainians. Of course, we had enough of our problems, but we missed this important point (as in all the neighboring countries). Now, part of the debts that they will accumulate (in Ukraine - for gas) will have to be used to buy media, to control at least some of the TV channels. Without this, they will only hate Russia more.
  33. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 7 2014 09: 08
    +1
    The Ukrainian national state, under any sauce, will always be built on anti-Russian principles — this is an axiom.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda April 7 2014 09: 51
      0
      And not at all an axiom. many small business women are wondering right now. And why the hell is the EU for us and this kipish? Prices jump by day. Everything rises in price .. Soviet pensioners will survive (experienced), but what should I do for the rest? They began to buy kerosene in the villages, I’m not lying, they are waiting for separatists, aggressors, even some flowers have been prepared. I buy homemade milk - 20 UAH. for 3 liters - this is 2 packs of cigarettes. Then multiply yourself. Rubles are not yet taken.
  34. Platov
    Platov April 7 2014 09: 11
    +1
    "How to cure Russian-speaking Bandera in Ukraine?" Apply medical fasting, shock therapy, cold treatment, they say it helps a lot from any phobia. For 23 years, they have eaten so much good that went after the collapse of the USSR that even tanks learn to move in pairs, and only two pairs can take off from hundreds of planes. Outskirts need urgent psychiatric help immediately.
  35. Igarr
    Igarr April 7 2014 09: 15
    +4
    Very scary article.
    Stanislav, as usual, killed outright.
    Guys, in fact, everything is much more serious than it can be seen.
    All this husk, ancient Ukrainians, the great millennial culture, the builders of the pyramids and the shepherds of dinosaurs - this is so, to create an initial reserve. The seeds, or bait.
    Then this nonsense will go away on its own.
    But what remains is that we still see perfectly.
    ...
    Withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from Crimea. The lieutenant-pilot, well, as I understand it, he says - "I just think that the oath is taken once ... And my friends, I can't blame them, everyone chooses for himself ..."
    Damn, well done. I remembered myself in a similar situation. I think the Ukrainian is not Ukrainian, the more he spoke Russian, and his wife did not care - but, honest guy.
    So, look ...
    Three days later, this sample of honesty and decency, appears in Nikolaev. In dorm.
    AND - STATES - and from my phone I deleted all my friends who remained in the Crimea. (With the people, I will note).
    THEY ARE - FOR - ME - TRADERS !!!
    ...
    It’s clear what I mean.
    Three days. Four days. And - the military partnership is forgotten. They are enemies to him. Already.
    I’m not afraid to tell the kid thirty more. He was born under the Union.
    But, stands for Ukraine - a mountain.
    That would be good. But what, then ... XXXX ... he broadcast, about free choice, will remain friends.
    .
    In order not to be with Holland No. 2 on our borders of Rostov, Kursk, Belgorod - Ukraine needs to be taken to Russia.
    And carry out - FORCED - de Ukrainianization. DeBanderization. DeTyagnibokanizatsiya. DeTurchanization. De de de de de.
    And believe me, I say this, fully aware that my words are actually the same Nazism.
    ...
    There is simply no choice. Or Russia, Russia as a synthesis of cultures.
    Or active hatred of Russia in Ukraine.
    Time is running out.
    Beliefs.
    Time began - compulsion.
    1. DMB-78
      DMB-78 April 7 2014 09: 42
      +1
      Quote: Igarr
      Three days later, this sample of honesty and decency, appears in Nikolaev. In dorm.
      AND - STATES - and from my phone I deleted all my friends who remained in the Crimea. (With the people, I will note).
      THEY ARE - FOR - ME - TRADERS !!!

      Mazepa's ghost roams around Ukraine ...
    2. dmb
      dmb April 7 2014 10: 33
      +2
      You can agree with all your "De" except the first. Do you believe that violent de-Ukrainization will eliminate hatred and revive love? Put yourself in the place of the Ukrainians, how will you behave? And then, why do we start with the Ukrainians, let's start with the Belarusians, they seem to be calmer. By the way, the synthesis of cultures you mentioned does not imply violence against the majority.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        April 7 2014 12: 07
        +1
        Quote: dmb
        You can agree with all your "De" except the first. Do you believe that violent de-Ukrainization will eliminate hatred and revive love? Put yourself in the place of the Ukrainians, how will you behave? And then, why do we start with the Ukrainians, let's start with the Belarusians, they seem to be calmer. By the way, the synthesis of cultures you mentioned does not imply violence against the majority.


        It is not necessary forcibly. And to do it in disguise so that it looks natural and natural. For example, I see this method in the form of economic attractiveness in Russophilia. More details can be found in my publications: "How to heal the Russian-speaking Bandera?" and "Popular lobbying of the Eurasian Union ... in spite of"
        1. dmb
          dmb April 7 2014 14: 20
          0
          Actually, I wrote a comment not about your article, about what was said by the Honorable Igarr. As for your remark, it does not really fit with the ideological nature of this and your previous articles. If we proceed only from economic attractiveness, then Poroshenko and Tymoshenko will be the most ardent Russophiles. They will forget the "MOV" right away. At the same time, the Ukrainians are unlikely to be attracted by the fact that they will not be ripped off by this couple, but by the natural hare Yakunin or the no less natural hare Gref.
          1. Nevsky_ZU
            April 7 2014 14: 31
            0
            Quote: dmb
            Actually, I wrote a comment not about your article, about what was said by the Honorable Igarr. As for your remark, it does not really fit with the ideological nature of this and your previous articles. If we proceed only from economic attractiveness, then Poroshenko and Tymoshenko will be the most ardent Russophiles. They will forget the "MOV" right away. At the same time, the Ukrainians are unlikely to be attracted by the fact that they will not be ripped off by this couple, but by the natural hare Yakunin or the no less natural hare Gref.


            I highly recommend my article especially for you:

            Popular lobbying of the Eurasian Union ... contrary to
    3. Nevsky_ZU
      April 7 2014 12: 07
      +1
      Very scary article.
      Stanislav, as usual, killed outright.


      True as it is. I live among such people sad
      1. Igarr
        Igarr April 7 2014 12: 39
        +1
        I repeat, especially for Dmitry, dmb.
        De-Ukrainization in my understanding is exactly the same as de-Russification of our youth, "patriotism is a refuge for scoundrels." We take Novodvorskaya, Makarevich, Nemtsov relatively calmly ... to name another?
        Why can a lot of idiots shout "askalyak to gilyak" ...?
        Why a bunch of abnormal ones (go to the website Censor.net) you can rinse Russia and officials as you like?
        I note that those who are there with the Russian flag there or are simply sane - they do not insult any specific persons.
        ...
        Those who are older - you will not de-Ukrainianize them. Although it would be necessary to start with them.
        Well, it remains, then, at least somehow try to fix the young brains.
        This is exactly what I had in mind.
        ...
        Nevsky ZU .... very well once described himself. As an apologist for the "orange" revolution came .... to this article, for example.
        Who conducted de-Ukrainianization with him? He himself.
        So we learn from Stanislav - how to do this. And implement.
        1. dmb
          dmb April 7 2014 14: 29
          0
          I do not quite understand the connection between what I said and this comment of yours. I wrote somewhere that the gentlemen you listed are a role model? You contradict yourself; you tolerate them, and you are going to reeducate urban madmen from another state. Come on, them, you are going to reeducate all Ukrainians, regardless of their attitude towards Russia. Otherwise, the phrase "de-Ukrainianization" is simply not perceived.
  36. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 7 2014 09: 22
    +1
    Normal National Guard. Mowing even ineptly, but with zeal.))
  37. ken
    ken April 7 2014 09: 48
    +2
    Got Game There used to be a country. Now ..... ??? And how are these donkeys allowed to power ???
    1. DMB-78
      DMB-78 April 7 2014 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: ken
      Got Game There used to be a country. Now ..... ??? And how are these donkeys allowed to power ???
  38. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 7 2014 10: 03
    +2
    Quote: Igarr
    Withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from Crimea. The lieutenant-pilot, well, as I understand it, he says - "I just think that the oath is taken once ... And my friends, I can't blame them, everyone chooses for himself ..."

    What a lieutenant (the release of Ukrainian pilots was without a raid), there are 9 flying under Sevastople in Belbek, 5 of them are Polish training, L-39, and a bunch of junk stands ...
    Neighbor servant arrived .. eyes down ..
  39. mackonya
    mackonya April 7 2014 10: 13
    +2
    Yes, it is easy to cure consciousness, it will be difficult to cure.
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  41. Ross
    Ross April 7 2014 11: 04
    +1
    Quote: platitsyn70
    where supporters of Russia up to 70% are sympathetic to the Kiev junta. No need to harbor illusions. In Ukraine, there are a huge number of Russian-speaking people who identify themselves not just as Ukrainians, but as patriots
    time will judge us.

    Now for the lost, the time for healing and dissolving illusions. The truth of life heals, although sometimes harshly.
  42. Oleg Prophetic
    Oleg Prophetic April 7 2014 11: 21
    +2
    The article is good, in the north, it’s obviously not enough; wages do not increase; Full mess!
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      April 7 2014 12: 03
      0
      Quote: Oleg prophetic
      The article is good, in the north, it’s obviously not enough; wages do not increase; Full mess!


      Where is it? Sumy and Chernihiv region? Everything is complicated there. At one time, I hoped that the example of Belarus would inspire these regions, if not explicitly towards Russia, then at least towards socialism ..
  43. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. April 7 2014 11: 40
    0
    And in 2004, the West of Ukraine had already awakened, and not because it suddenly became more, but because the first crop of “Svidomo” among the Russian speakers ripened.

    In the nineties, Russia left wherever it was possible to leave, even from Ukraine. It was a deliberate policy, the top apparently were largely influenced by the Americans. Maybe less than now in Ukraine, but also significantly, apparently still remained. Nationalists are a lifesaver when it is necessary to divide peoples, even as we see the people. As the classic said, "we all come from childhood." The information background in society will certainly play a role. Especially if you isolate groups of young people (in the form of preparation camps for something). So we got it, here I always want to use the hohlon name, kats.apa, no longer Russian. Since I have always believed that the basis of the mentality "Мы-Russian ". And again because of this"Мы"I don't want to leave them. Here I note with sadness that the situation is only getting worse. The same closures of Russian channels, the continuing absence of our government's policy. Not to mention the pressure of the current Ukrainian government on public organizations.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      April 7 2014 12: 01
      0
      the nineties, Russia went everywhere from where it was possible to leave, even from Ukraine.


      And this is most offensive. Especially when you remember that before the 1990 year, the Russian language on the planet was taught not only in the USSR, but also in the countries of the Warsaw bloc. It sometimes seems to me that if the USSR even extended 20 for years, the Russian language would be able to push back English ... what
  44. razved
    razved April 7 2014 11: 47
    +2
    Almost ideally carried out operation to reformat Ukraine, especially its East.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      April 7 2014 12: 02
      0
      Quote: razved
      Almost ideally carried out operation to reformat Ukraine, especially its East.


      And do not say, but in youth everything seemed so natural and natural. sad
  45. kudwar68
    kudwar68 April 7 2014 14: 15
    +1
    A generation of Ukrainians has grown up zombified by the West, it is useless to teach them something. For them we "", "Vatniks", etc. But the most interesting older generation is not better than them, it is impossible to talk to them normally, for them we are "Putin's slaves "or" Kremlin auxiliaries ".
  46. nod739
    nod739 April 7 2014 17: 00
    0
    Quote: grenz
    We will not build a barrier to the psychological protection of a healthy part of the people (there will still be those who are dissatisfied) - atomic missiles will not save us. The enemy will eat us from the inside.

    corrodes, corrodes, ... but to myself I won’t say that I want European values ​​- on the contrary: my faith in ours grows stronger, as they say us e ... ut, and we grow stronger
  47. Roms
    Roms 27 August 2019 15: 41
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    The irresponsible lack of reaction to Ukraine’s sliding into nationalism, tearing the Russian population away from Russia, loss of all positions in the territories of the former USSR, I consider it a crime of the Guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.