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Armament of domestic armored personnel carriers

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In our country over the past few decades, a large number of different armored personnel carriers have been created. Despite the differences in technical appearance and characteristics, all these machines had a common purpose. All domestic and foreign armored personnel carriers are designed to carry personnel with weapons. In addition, the "duty" of an armored personnel carrier on the battlefield is the fire support of the fighters. The creation of domestic armored personnel carriers was accompanied by the constant development of their weapons. From the end of the forties to our time, the armament of domestic armored personnel carriers passed the same long way as the vehicles for which it was created.


BTR-40

The first domestic serial armored personnel carrier BTR-40 was created in the late forties, taking into account the operating experience of the American machines M3 Scout Car, which affected the basic features of its appearance. This "origin" of the BTR-40 had an impact on its armament. The base machine of this model carried defensive armament in the form of a single machine gun of the SGMB caliber 7,62 mm. Depending on the situation, the gunner of the armored personnel carrier could install a machine gun on one of four mounts. There were transverse rods on the front and rear hull sheets, and swivel brackets on the sides. Initially, the BTR-40 armored personnel carrier carried devices for fastening machine guns of various designs, but in the mid-fifties, during the next modernization, all the brackets were unified. To install a machine gun on the bracket was supposed only in a combat situation. In the stowed position, it was located in the troop compartment, on the left wheel arch.



When installing the machine gun on the mount frontal sheet shooter could fire targets that are within the horizontal sector width 160 °. Allowable reduction weapons limited to 13-15 degrees, the ultimate elevation depended on the machine gun design and usability. The on-board machine gun mounting points made it possible to control sectors with a width of 140 °, the feeding unit - 180 °. Thus, when rearranging the machine gun from place to place, almost circular shelling was provided. Naturally, the movement of weapons in a combat situation was very difficult.

The power supply of the SGMB machine gun was carried out using ribbons on 250 cartridges. In the combat compartment of the armored personnel carrier BTR-40 there was room for five boxes of ammunition, each of which contained one tape. General ammunition consisted of 1250 cartridges. In addition, the gunner could use 8 fragmentation and 2 anti-tank grenades to defend an armored personnel carrier.



In 1951, an anti-aircraft version of the combat vehicle called the BTR-40А appeared. In the troop compartment of this machine is located anti-aircraft installation ZPTU-2, equipped with two machine guns caliber 14,5 mm caliber. The machine gun elevation angles from -5 ° to + 90 ° allowed the firing of both airborne and ground targets. Ammunition of two machine guns consisted of 1200 cartridges. It should be noted that the anti-aircraft installation ZPTU-2 occupied almost the entire volume of the troop compartment, because of which the former armored personnel carrier completely lost its transport capabilities.

In the mid-fifties, a version of the BTR-40 armored personnel carrier with a fully enclosed hull was developed. The armored vehicle BTR-40B received the roof of the troop compartment with two double wing hatches. The hatches were located in the front and aft parts of the roof and were intended for the shooter. For firing it was required to open one of the hatches and install the machine gun on the corresponding bracket. The shooter of an armored personnel carrier BTR-40B could use only two brackets, on the front and stern sheets of the hull.

BTR-152

Simultaneously with the BTR-40 armored personnel carrier, a vehicle of a similar purpose, the BTR-152, was created. The design of these two armored vehicles used a significant number of common components and assemblies, including weapons. The BTR-152 armored personnel carrier was armed with one machine gun of the 7,62 caliber mm. Weapon attachment systems were similar to those used on the BTR-40. The shooter could fire using one of four brackets on the front, aft, or side plates of the hull. Target angles and ammunition volumes did not differ from the corresponding parameters of the BTR-40.



In the early fifties, an anti-aircraft version of the BTR-152 combat vehicle, called the BTR-152A, was created. Like the BTR-40, this machine was equipped with an anti-aircraft machine gun ZPTU-2 with machine guns KPV caliber 14,5 mm. According to its characteristics, this weapon was similar to the BTR-40А armament. Despite the relatively large volumes of the troop compartment, the BTR-152А still did not retain the transport function.



In the second half of the fifties, the BTR-152, like the BTR-40, acquired an armored roof. In the roof there were three hatchways, two of which could be used by the shooter. As in the case of the BTR-40, a modification of an armored personnel carrier with a roof retained only two brackets for fastening the SGMB machine gun.

BTR-50P

Adopted in 1954, the BTR-50P armored personnel carrier had the same weapons as the previous vehicles of this class. The crew of the armored vehicle had one 7,62-mm machine gun SGMB. After the modernization of the late sixties, all armored personnel carriers of this family were re-equipped with PKB machine guns. Machine guns of both types could be mounted on one of two arms: on the frontal and stern sheet of the troop compartment.



Devices for installing the machine gun SGMB were unified with units of armored personnel carriers of previous models. Thanks to this, the shooter of the BTR-50P machine could fire at fairly wide sectors in the front and rear hemispheres. The machine gun of the armored personnel carrier used ribbons for 250 cartridges. The portable ammunition consisted of five ribbons - 1250 cartridges.

It is known about attempts to install large-caliber DShKM and KPV machine guns on the BTR-50P armored personnel carrier. Despite the great firepower, such options for equipping armored vehicles did not become standard. It should be noted that there are photographic materials depicting BTR-50P armored personnel carriers with large-caliber weapons, but such machine guns were installed only for parades.

Over time, the BTR-50P armored personnel carrier received an armored roof and a new designation - the BTR-50PK. After such a modernization, the armor of the armored personnel carrier remained the same, and for its use large hatches were provided in the roof.



According to some reports, the BTR-50P, like the previous domestic armored personnel carriers, could become the basis for an anti-aircraft self-propelled unit. For this purpose, it was intended to mount a machine-gun unit with a ZPTU-2 machine gun in the troop compartment. In addition, the use of the four-barred installation ZPTU-4 was considered. In a series of similar equipment did not go.

BTR-60

The armored personnel carrier BTR-60, which is a direct "ancestor" of all subsequent domestic vehicles for this purpose, did not have a roof in the first versions. For this reason, the armament of armored vehicles corresponded to the previous armored personnel carriers. The BTR-60 carried the SGMB machine gun mounted on one of three brackets. The brackets were located on the front plate and on the sides of the hull. The shooter had five ribbons with 1250 cartridges. There are images of armored personnel carriers BTR-60 with a machine gun DShKM on the front bracket and two SGMB on-board, but these photos are "indicative" and do not reflect the realities of operation of the armored personnel carrier.



In the mid-sixties, the BTR-60 armored personnel carrier repeated the fate of the previous vehicle and acquired an armored roof. Initially, the armored vehicle had a roof, created taking into account the developments in previous projects: for the use of a machine gun in the roof provided for the hatch. This version of the armored carrier received an index BTR-60A. Late series of this machine received new machine guns, instead of SGMB they were equipped with 7,62-millimeter PCB.

The BTR-60PB project can be considered a real revolution in the field of armament of domestic armored personnel carriers. For the first time in Soviet practice, an armored personnel carrier received not brackets for attaching weapons, but a full-fledged swiveling tower. A relatively small conical tower with a straight frontal sheet allowed to solve several problems at once, which were pursued by previous models of armored personnel carriers. The armored tower protected the shooter from bullets and shrapnel, made it possible to direct weapons more precisely, and also could carry more powerful weapons than a rifle-caliber machine gun.



In the turret of an armored troop-carrier BTR-60PB a KPVT machine gun of caliber 14,5 mm and 7,62-mm PCT were installed. The shooter could fire in any direction, rotating the turret, and also direct weapons vertically from -5 ° to + 30 °. For aiming machine guns, it was proposed to use the PP-61 periscope optical sight with the increase of 2,6x. The sight made it possible to fire from a large-caliber machine gun at distances up to 2000 meters, from PKT - to 1500 m. The ammunition kit of the machine gun CPV consisted of 10 tapes of 50 cartridges each (a total of 500 cartridges). In the boxes for ammunition for the PKT machine gun there were eight ribbons of 250 cartridges (2000 cartridges).

BTR-70

In the early seventies, the new BTR-70 armored personnel carrier entered the Soviet army. This machine was created on the basis of developments under the project BTR-60PB. It was assumed that the new type of armored vehicles will be able to adopt all the advantages of the basic machine, but will be deprived of its disadvantages. Apparently, the turret with two machine guns was assigned to the positive sides of the armored personnel carrier BTR-60PB, as a result of which it was transferred to the BTR-70 without any major changes.



Armament and its characteristics remained the same, although the design of the tower has undergone some changes related to manufacturing technology. In addition, in the turret of an armored personnel carrier BTR-70 it was proposed to install a modernized periscope sight PP-61AM. Ammunition size and firing range remained the same.



After the collapse of the Soviet Union, some countries armed with BTR-70 armored personnel carriers attempted to modernize them. A number of such projects involved the use of new weapons, including new combat modules. Thanks to this, the BTR-70 was able to become the carrier of automatic cannons and grenade launchers, as well as anti-tank missiles. In the Russian armed forces, the BTR-70 vehicles were operated with basic armament.

BTR-80

Armored personnel carrier BTR-80 was intended to replace previous machines of similar purpose. As a result, in its design widely used developments in previous projects. For this reason, in the basic version, the BTR-80 armored vehicle was equipped with almost the same weaponry as the BTR-60PB or BTR-70. On the roof of the car, they provided for a conical turret of a “classic” design for domestic armored personnel carriers.



The armament of the first modification of the BTR-80 was borrowed from the previous armored vehicles. In the tower installed machine gun KPVT 14,5 caliber mm and 7,62-mm PKT. Machine gun mounting systems have undergone some changes. New mechanisms with manual transmission allowed to direct machine guns in a vertical plane ranging from -4 ° to + 60 °. The turret of the new armored vehicle received updated sighting devices. The BTR-80 shooter must use a 1P3-2 periscopic rifle scope with variable magnification (1,2x and 4x), providing a field of vision of 49 or 14 width. Machine gun ammunition remained the same: 10 tapes on 500 cartridges 14,5x114 mm and 8 tapes on 2000 cartridges 7,62x54 mm R.

Based on the experience of the war in Afghanistan, a modification of the BTR-80 armored personnel carrier with a new weapon system was created. The armored vehicle BTR-80А received a new combat module with more powerful weapons. The relatively small diameter of the shoulder strap of the base vehicle forced the authors of the BTR-80A project to apply a new layout of weapons for domestic armored personnel carriers. On the chase of the BTR-80A car, a rotary platform was mounted, on which there were supports and a rocking installation with weapons. The 30-mm automatic gun 2А72 became the main weapon of the armored personnel carrier. An 7,62-mm PKT machine gun was mounted on the same design with a gun, and there were smoke grenade launchers on the arms. The turret was equipped with 1PZ-9 sights (day) TPNZ-42 (night).

Ammunition of the turret of an armored personnel carrier BTR-80А consists of 300 shells for an automatic cannon and 2000 cartridges for a machine gun. It should be noted that all the units of the tower, including the ammunition box, are located outside the hull, which is why a continuous supply of ammunition is used. The design of the tower provides guidance weapons in any direction. The elevation angle is limited to 70 degrees. Depending on the ammunition used, the BTR-80A armament can hit targets at a distance of up to 4 kilometers. An interesting feature of the turret with the 2А72 cannon and PKT machine gun is the relatively high aiming line - 2,8 meters from the ground. This allows the crew of an armored personnel carrier to hide behind walls or buildings, if necessary, leaving the possibility of observing the situation and firing. When fighting in urban environments, such opportunities are very useful.



The BTR-80A armored personnel carrier tower has several advantages over previous weapons systems, but the power of its weapons may be excessive to perform some combat missions. In addition, to install a heavy turret with an automatic gun, it is necessary to refine the body of the base armored personnel carrier. In order to preserve the advantages of the turret tower and to ensure the required characteristics, the BTR-80C armored personnel carrier was created. The turret of this combat vehicle is a modified version of the corresponding BTR-80А unit, but instead of the 30-mm automatic cannon it is equipped with a KPVT machine gun. Twin machine gun remained the same - PKT caliber 7,62 mm.

BTR-82

In the two thousandth, several new modifications of the BTR-80 armored personnel carrier were created. Machines BTR-82 equipped with new engines and a number of new equipment, designed to improve their performance. As before, the armament complex of new armored vehicles was made on the basis of the corresponding aggregates of the previous technology. The original turret assembly tower, created for the BTR-80A armored personnel carrier, has been improved and installed on the vehicles of the new modifications.



The BTR-82 armored personnel carrier is armed with a turret with a large-caliber machine gun KPVT and 7,62-mm PKT. The general features of the tower design were borrowed without major changes from the combat module of the armored personnel carrier BTR-80А. KPVT and PKT machine guns have ammunition 500 and 2000 cartridges, respectively. Submission of ammunition to each of the machine guns is carried out with a single tape. To improve the accuracy of shooting weapons equipped with a two-plane stabilizer. Separate day and night sights are replaced by the TKN-4GA combined instrument.



The BTR-82A armored personnel carrier carries an 30-mm automatic cannon and a PKT machine gun. Armament is stabilized in two planes. The ammunition of the cannon and machine gun remained the same as on the BTR-80 - 300 shells and 2000 cartridges. The turret of the BTR-82А is equipped with a sight similar to that used on an armored personnel carrier with machine-gun armament.

BTR-90

In the early nineties, the new domestic armored personnel carrier BTR-90 was introduced for the first time. This combat vehicle was created taking into account the experience of the last wars and had to significantly increase the combat capability of the motorized rifle divisions. In 2011, the Ministry of Defense finally abandoned the purchase of the BTR-90 in favor of the promising technology currently being developed. Nevertheless, the armament of an armored personnel carrier that did not go into the series is of great interest.


Experienced option


For the first time in domestic practice, it was proposed to equip an armored personnel carrier with a double turret with a developed weapon system. In terms of its design and equipment, the BTR-90 tower to some extent resembled the BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicle tower. The main weapon of the BTR-90 was to be the 2-42 automatic cannon of the 30 caliber. On one of the mechanisms with a weapon, a PKTM 7,62 mm caliber machine gun was to be installed. Barreled weapons had a two-plane stabilizer. On the roof of the tower of a promising armored personnel carrier, a launcher of the Konkurs anti-tank missile system 9K113 was provided. At the disposal of the gunner was a combined (day and night) sight BPK-3-42. At the request of foreign customers, the gunner’s workplace could be equipped with a BOD-M scope with a French-made thermal imager. In addition, the armored personnel carrier was equipped with a special anti-aircraft sight 1P3-3.


BTR-90 with enhanced armor


The turret mechanisms made it possible to point weapons at 360 ° in the horizontal plane and from -5 ° to + 75 ° in the vertical. The ammunition of the automatic cannon consisted of 500 shells, a coaxial machine gun - from 2000 cartridges. In addition, in the combat compartment of the armored personnel carrier there was a place to accommodate four transport-launch containers with anti-tank missiles 9М113 "Competition". The used weapons complex allowed the BTR-90 armored personnel carrier to hit armored vehicles and fortify the enemy with missiles at ranges up to 4 kilometers. The automatic gun 2А42 had a target range for ground targets to 4 km, for air - 2-2,5 kilometers.

BTR-D

In the mid-seventies, the airborne troops received a new descent armored personnel carrier BTR-D. To facilitate the development and construction of technology, this project was carried out on the basis of the BMD-1 airborne combat vehicle with extensive use of its components and assemblies. The armored personnel carrier for the Airborne Forces received two PKM machine guns mounted in the troop compartment.

Armament of domestic armored personnel carriers


In the front sheet of the troop compartment, located behind the workplace of the driver, provided two hatches through which it was supposed to fire from two PC machine guns. The paratroopers inside the combat vehicle should shoot from this weapon. The shooters have 8 tapes with 250 cartridges each (1000 cartridges for a machine gun).

There is information about equipping a certain number of BTR-D armored personnel carriers with AGS-17 automatic grenade launchers. This weapon was mounted on a bracket on the roof of the troop compartment. For firing from a grenade launcher, the paratrooper had to use one of the hatches in the roof. Also, some sources mention the existence of armored vehicles with a similar installation of machine guns.

BTR-MD and BTR-MDM

In the near future, the Airborne Forces should receive new equipment of several models. The basis for vehicles for various purposes, allegedly, should be the BTR-MDM armored personnel carrier. This armored vehicle was created on the basis of the previous project BTR-MD. It is proposed to build new equipment for the Airborne Forces using existing and newly developed components and assemblies. Some of the components were borrowed from the infantry fighting vehicle BMP-3M and from the airborne combat vehicle BMD-4М.



Like the previous armored personnel carrier for the airborne troops, the BTR-MDM has light machine-gun armament. The BTR-MDM vehicle armament consists of a remote-controlled turret with a PKTM 7,62-mm machine gun. Ammunition machine gun located in a box next to him. To aim the machine gun at the target, the periscope 1P67M is used. If necessary, the crew can fire from an additional course gun. Course set for the RPK light machine gun is located in the front hull sheet in its right half. In addition, there are four smoke grenade launchers on the frontal plate.

Future armored vehicles

For half a century, the armament of domestic armored personnel carriers has undergone major changes. The BTR-40 carried only one rifle-caliber machine gun mounted on one of four brackets. If necessary, the machine gun could be rearranged to another location or removed and used separately. The latest models of armored personnel carriers have solid machine-gun or cannon-machine-gun armament, many times superior to that used on the first machines of this class. Recent developments in the field of armored vehicles for motorized rifle troops allow us to say with confidence that the development of weapons continues and is unlikely to stop.

In recent years, the domestic and foreign defense industry is actively working to create new combat modules suitable for installation on various models of equipment. Domestic enterprises are ready to provide the customer with combat modules of various models, equipped with weapons of various types and classes. Depending on the wishes of the military, armored vehicles can carry machine guns, automatic guns, automatic grenade launchers and anti-tank missiles. In addition, all current combat modules are equipped with modern sighting devices.

It is precisely universal combat modules that currently look like the most convenient and effective means of armor equipment for motorized rifle subunits. Such systems, which combine reservation elements, armament and various electronic equipment, make it possible to equip equipment with all necessary systems, as well as to upgrade it relatively easily. As for the armament of the future armored personnel carriers, it is likely to retain its main features. There is reason to believe that such armored vehicles will continue to carry automatic guns or large-caliber machine guns, paired with machine guns of rifle caliber. In addition, automatic grenade launchers and anti-tank missiles can be included in weapons systems.

However, only time will tell how the armament of future armored personnel carriers will look. Demonstration of new domestic technology of this class should be held in the coming years.


On the materials of the sites:
http://otvaga2004.ru/
http://army-guide.com/
http://arms-expo.ru/
http://all-tanks.ru/
http://armor.kiev.ua/
http://btvt.narod.ru/
http://army.lv/
http://alternathistory.org.ua/
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  1. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 April 7 2014 08: 53
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    BTR-82A - a cheap, efficient modernization of the BTR-80.
    The stabilized gun increases firepower by an order of magnitude.
    1. Alex 1977
      Alex 1977 April 7 2014 17: 14
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      Error in the description of the BTR-90.
      Moreover, it is very clumsy, which immediately spoiled the whole impression of the article.
      In addition, the armored personnel carrier was equipped with a special anti-aircraft machine gun 1P3-3.
      1P3-3 - this is a common angular anti-aircraft sight for 2A42.
      Specially, he stands on such new military-industrial complex products as BMP-2 and BMD-2.
      In general, for any person who is at least superficially familiar with Soviet-Russian armored vehicles, such an index as applied to a machine gun hurts an eye immediately, and even more so with respect to a separate anti-aircraft machine gun for an armored personnel carrier, which contradicts the concept of arming domestic armored personnel carriers in particular, and actually all the trends in this area since the Second World War.
      Since T-26, specialized ZPUs have only been placed on tanks, and the nomenclature of domestic machine guns is very modest, and everyone is hearing.
      Well, and if the word “large-caliber” is not added to the description of the machine gun, then by default it is considered a rifle caliber. That as a means of defense is naturally absurd.
      It seems like trifles, but alas, collected in one phrase, create the first impression that the author does not understand what he is writing about, and swims heavily in the materiel of domestic armored vehicles.
    2. maksimus_747
      maksimus_747 14 July 2014 14: 14
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      without food as if without arms btr-90 is better to head off a new engine armament new jet propulsors
  2. mirag2
    mirag2 April 7 2014 08: 54
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    If we talk about cannon weapons, I think that an automatic gun with a caliber of 40mm, well, 50mm, is best suited, but 30 is not enough ammunition power, that's a little old gun Bofors that in SV90 (Swedish) is just that.
  3. Afinogen
    Afinogen April 7 2014 09: 01
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    An even more destructive combination is the BTR-90 Bakhcha weapon system. It consists of a 100 mm 2A70 launcher, a 30 mm automatic cannon with two-belt power 2A72 and a 7,62 mm PKTM machine gun in a single weapon unit. 9K117 guided missile system with 9M117M-1 Arkan ATGM, available as part of the Bakhcha BTR-90 armament complex, it defeats from the first shot all existing tanks, including those equipped with dynamic protection, at ranges up to 5500 m, both from the spot and on the move
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    2. discripter
      discripter April 8 2014 13: 07
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      Quote: Athenogen
      The 9K117 guided missile system with the 9M117M-1 Arkan ATGM, which is part of the Bakhcha BTR-90 weapons complex, ensures the destruction of all existing tanks from the first shot

      just a brilliant pearl ...
  4. erased
    erased April 7 2014 09: 01
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    The initial purpose of the armored personnel carrier is infantry transportation, including delivery to the battlefield. Shatterproof and bulletproof. The armament is light, for self-defense of the machine. Nobody pushed the APCs to the forefront. So did the Germans, then the Americans, then we.
    With all the advantages of new weapons options, including cannon, it is still unclear why armored armored personnel carriers are so? Why make an BMP double from it? To replace? How to compete? But then it is necessary to strengthen the armored personnel carrier with armor as is now done with heavy infantry fighting vehicles - at the tank level. What's the point?
    Or is it an initiative of a manufacturer who is ready to do anything to stay afloat?
    Chechnya and, to some extent, Afghanistan have shown what happens to armored personnel carriers that are driven under enemy fire. You can put at least an armored tank gun on an APC, but if the machine is designed to transport people outside the battlefield, then what's the point of complicating it and raising it in price?
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 April 7 2014 10: 36
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      Quote: erased
      it is not clear why arm the APC so? Why make an BMP double from it?

      from armored personnel carriers with bulletproof armor, do assault BMP ????
      optimally for armored personnel carriers - this is a remotely controlled combat modules (BDM), with paired weapons, 12,7 mm CORD and 40 mm AGS !!!!
      for self-defense, more than enough (((
      1. max702
        max702 April 7 2014 11: 53
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        Regarding the redundancy of the 30mm gun .. A friend told me that in Chechnya this gun was not redundant, but rather the very thing! where the 14.5mm was powerless and the gun couldn’t break through thick walls with two three shells, it yielded results, and the ability to work on more distant targets was very much in demand, and from it I heard only rave reviews from this type of weapon, there is not much firepower.
        1. Patton5
          Patton5 April 7 2014 20: 11
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          I agree! There are all sorts of situations, it is better to let the gun be redundant (in the aisles reasonable) than insufficient. Only the module should not be inhabited, all the same, the armored personnel carrier is primarily an infantry transporter
        2. cast iron
          cast iron 14 February 2015 19: 45
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          Just when your friend was in service, an APC was used for other purposes, in violation of battle tactics.
          An armored personnel carrier is an armored taxi truck that can move over rough terrain behind tanks. The tactics are very clear. Tanks with armored personnel carriers move to the place of contact with the enemy. They work out artillery OFSami on them. Due to armor protection, losses are minimal up to the group’s exit to the area of ​​contact with the enemy (1-3 km). Further, the infantry dismounts from the armored personnel carriers and goes in a pawn-run after tanks. But armored personnel carriers do not enter the battle, but circling nearby 3-5 km.

          These are the pies. But every time smart people come up with new tactics. Well, for example, to storm the city’s armored personnel carriers in the forehead. It is very brilliant. Very very. Pasha Grachev won even a medal for this.
      2. The Art of War
        The Art of War April 7 2014 16: 09
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        It is a pity there are no tigers with a controlled machine gun Kord as on the RBM! ((
    2. k1995
      k1995 April 7 2014 11: 12
      +2
      He served from 93 to 95 in the Taman Division, practiced attacks with the participation of armored personnel carriers on tactics.
      1. erased
        erased April 7 2014 11: 29
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        When practicing combined arms combat? With the participation of tanks, with the support of artillery, landing on the move from an armored personnel carrier with deployment and leveling?
        This is one of the options when an artillery barrier and an armored personnel carrier are driving the soldiers closer because of the protection from the fragments of their own shells. Such a task is an echo of that war when the suppressed defense was broken through with a blow along with tanks.
        Since the mid-60s, such tactics have virtually become outdated. But ours worked it out to the last. Not the worst exercise, but not in the 21st century.
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 14 February 2015 19: 46
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          In 2014-2015, we clearly see that the instructions of the 1960s are SUCCESSFULLY applied in the Civil War in Ukraine.
      2. cosmos111
        cosmos111 April 7 2014 12: 47
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        The article lists all the APCs that were adopted by the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV (((
        only one remained (although it has not yet been adopted for service - "Boomerang" ///

        KMP "Boomerang" -prototype(if not photoshop, of course)
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 April 7 2014 14: 46
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          Quote: cosmos111
          KMP "Boomerang" -prototype

          Judging by the image, it has a BMP-2 weapon system upgraded under the Berezhok program ...
          But what about the promised uninhabited combat modules, about which almost all ears buzzed? ..
          Quote: cosmos111
          if not photoshop, of course

          This is a very correct observation. It is possible that "Boomerang" has not yet left the drawing boards and whatman papers ...
          Or maybe he left, and already in full ride on landfills. But away from all sorts of body and photo cameras ...

          In a word, we will be able to compare and evaluate "Boomerang" only on the day of its official presentation. And not before ...
        2. tchack
          tchack April 7 2014 16: 37
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          This is Finnish Patria's New Vehicle Concept, presented at the DSEI-2013 in London.
          1. Vasek
            Vasek April 8 2014 22: 38
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            Quote: tchack
            This is Finnish Patria's New Vehicle Concept, presented at the DSEI-2013 in London.

            Glitters well.
    3. tchoni
      tchoni April 7 2014 13: 45
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      In addition to the above: when analyzing the material of this article, using the BTR 40 and BTR 152 as an example, it is clear that an attempt to seriously arm a machine leads to the fact that it loses its transport (main !!!!) functions. It is better, in the case of the BTR 60 - 90, to think about modernization in a slightly different direction (s), such as increasing the mine mine resistance, investing landing and landing, improving visibility for landing, simplifying and increasing the efficiency of using personal weapons.
      BTR could be driven into battle until the company had no more than 2 PTRs (or RPGs), but not at all now, when the density of anti-tank weapons could be brought up to 1-2 per soldier (remember flies and other insects).
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 April 7 2014 18: 56
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        Quote: tchoni
        to think about modernization in a slightly different direction (directions), such as an increase in the mine mine resistance of the hull, investment of landing and disembarkation, improved visibility for the landing,


        BTR80 / 82 modernization should be carried out in this direction ((((
        namely, to strengthen the anti-mine, ballistic, protection against RPG ((((
        Enhanced mine protection should be on all armored vehicles, operated in the S. Caucasus !!!

        Romanians were able to upgrade to the BTR-80, re-dig it (((
        MTO, in the center of the hull, in the stern of the fighting compartment on the 9, soldiers, with a ramp, to enter the exit ((((
        then it was possible to call BTR-82 ((((

        BTR "Saur-2 APC" Romania
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 April 7 2014 19: 23
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          modernization of the BTR "Ratel" 6x6, in South Africa (((
          after modernization "Iklwa" 6x6, installed, a new Cummins diesel engine 450 l / s, in a single block with automatic transmission "Renk HCV106" is installed on the left side, right behind the driver's cab ....
          the door on the right side of the case has been saved, in the left it opens access to the MTO (((
          this allowed to free up significant space in the feed of the armored personnel carrier (((
          entrance and exit is carried out through the reclining ramp (((
          for emergency departure of the armored personnel carrier, in the troop compartment on the roof, 4-hatch from each side (((
          the landing increased to 12 soldiers (((

          modernized BTR "Ratel" 6x6 - "Iklwa" 6x6, armament OUBModules.
          ...
    4. discripter
      discripter April 8 2014 13: 10
      +1
      Quote: erased
      Chechnya and, to some extent, Afghanistan have shown what happens to armored personnel carriers that are driven under enemy fire.

      I agree to install on a tin box, which is pierced by anti-tank rifles of the Second World War, how serious weapons are insanity.
    5. discripter
      discripter April 8 2014 13: 13
      +1
      Quote: erased
      Chechnya and, to some extent, Afghanistan have shown what happens to armored personnel carriers that are driven under enemy fire. You can put at least an armored tank gun on an APC, but if the machine is designed to transport people outside the battlefield, then what's the point of complicating it and raising it in price?

      I agree that installing on a tin construction of the 70s (which is made possible not only by all modern RPGs, but also the anti-tank missiles of the Great Patriotic War) how serious a weapon is or using this tin construction in battle is stupid, and certainly not from a good life.
    6. k_ply
      k_ply April 9 2014 00: 48
      +2
      Quote: erased
      The initial purpose of the armored personnel carrier is infantry transportation, including delivery to the battlefield. Shatterproof and bulletproof. The armament is light, for self-defense of the machine. Nobody pushed the APCs to the forefront. So did the Germans, then the Americans, then we.

      Finally, forget about open-top wheeled-tracked vehicles (made in Germany and the USA).

      Quote: erased
      Chechnya and, to some extent, Afghanistan have shown what happens to armored personnel carriers that are driven under enemy fire. You can put at least an armored tank gun on an armored personnel carrier ...

      For example, the same thing happened with MBT in Chechnya, the case in d.s. not in armored personnel carriers and not in tanks, as such, but in their skillful use. In which case, towers with weapons are stuck in military equipment? to intimidate the enemy or what? if, for example, the elevation angles (for MBT) and the tilt (for MBT and BTR-80) of the trunks have unacceptable restrictions, then you should not even try to use such equipment in mountainous areas, for example. The Chechen experience, especially at the initial stage, speaks of underestimating the enemy (some were bragging about, intending to occupy Grozny and disperse the militants with the forces of the Airborne Forces regiment) and ignorance of the theater of operations (the airborne regiment), the level of combat training of commanders and subordinates should be silent.

      When conducting hostilities in urban and mountainous conditions, the first word for the infantry (MBT, BMP, armored personnel carriers, regardless of weapons and the level of protection "in the wings", ie behind the infantry)

      Quote: erased
      ... but if the machine is designed to transport people outside the battlefield, then what's the point of complicating it and raising it in price?

      Yeah! Can we replace all armored personnel carriers with airborne trucks !? it will be even cheaper. From what point of view do you judge? with economic accounting, or military?
      The modern armored personnel carrier was and will be primarily a combat system of the battlefield, any system must be correctly used, as well as how to use it.
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 14 February 2015 20: 05
        0
        "Aha! Can we replace all the armored personnel carriers with flatbed trucks? It will be even cheaper. From what point of view do you judge? From an accounting economic, or is it military?"

        From an economic and demographic point of view, it is better to book a minimum of 7,62 armor-piercing ALL TRUCKS in the army. Absolutely ALL. Because during artillery attacks and air attacks, people in military unarmored trucks such as "Ural", "Kamaz", "Gaz-66" are the first to die.
        Moreover, all trucks must have mine and high-explosive protection at least at the initial level.
        Ideally, of course, book the living space of the crew and passengers from armor-piercing 12,7 mm bullets and 155 mm HE shells, as well as MLRS systems. Well, from the explosion of 6-8 kg of TNT under the bottom, respectively.

        In general, for the delivery of military cargo and soldiers in the future, it seems to me, it is worthwhile to design a fully armored floating 8-wheeled truck with an engine either in front or in the central part. This would be a truly universal workhorse with modules for all occasions.

        Further, as a means of delivering soldiers directly behind tanks, it is worth leaving only tracked infantry fighting vehicles of a heavy class and a light one - floating / airborne.

        As a simultaneous replacement for the highly specialized BTR-80 and numerous military trucks such as "Kamaz", "Ural", "Zil-130", I propose to design something like the "Federal-M" on 8 wheels, floating with options for the cargo compartment - for transporting passengers , only cargo, etc. This machine would make it possible to replace a bunch of units of different equipment.
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  5. Igor39
    Igor39 April 7 2014 09: 18
    12
    There are more articles about weapons and equipment. I still like articles about the weapons of ancient warriors, their tactics and battles. The policy is already sickened.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 April 7 2014 11: 12
      0
      Ammunition ...... consists of 300 shells

      the rate of fire of the gun, 2A72, 30-mm, is 330 h / min (((
      1. when ammunition in 300 shells is at 1-minute of battle (((
      even when shooting, in short bursts, 5- min max ...
      2. 2А72, the operation of the gun’s automation is based on the use of barrel rollback energy during its long course ((((
      it means not about any accuracy, the 2A72 cannon is out of the question, in the Troichatka combat module it is stabilized through the muffs from the 100 mm gun, which significantly increased its accuracy ((((
      on the 80 / 82 BTR this was not done (((
      if they wanted to put an 30 mm gun, they would put a proven one, in Afghanistan 2A42 - a multi-purpose gun (((
      with ammunition is not an option 1000 shells ((((
      installing the gun in PM ((((

      KBM "Pandur II" with DBM (remotely controlled combat modul - SP30 with Mauser cannon 30 mm MK 30-2
      1. Argon
        Argon April 7 2014 14: 13
        +6
        How to get this gun without "support" on the 100mm barrel, you can write a separate book (they did it for the "Lynx" BRDM) and I must say they brought it to mind. Her acuity is at the level (subjectively), the recoil is lower than that of 2A42. There is much less smoke in the BO (I have not heard about the failures). All "manual" operations are ORDERLY easier and EASIER. I consider a worthy "change" of the 42nd. fellow
  6. Bongo
    Bongo April 7 2014 09: 38
    10
    On 2, the photo was not an BTR-40A, but some experienced ZSU.
    Photo BTR-40A in Kubinka:
  7. ken
    ken April 7 2014 09: 59
    +3
    Excellent article for the author - 10+ classification
  8. k1995
    k1995 April 7 2014 11: 14
    +3
    On the BTR 80, the KPVT was so tightly rebuilt that for conscripts the perpetual sticking of a cartridge
  9. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 7 2014 11: 23
    +4
    The armament of the machine must correspond to the tasks for which it is created.
    A DBM with a machine gun "KORD" + AG-30 + ATGM (at least a couple of shots) would be quite suitable for self-defense and APC fire support for its landing force when performing most tasks. Considering that the motorized riflemen themselves have their own individual weapons.
    Also, the laying of the armored personnel carrier includes MANPADS and RPG-7. Ie I do not want to fight.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 April 7 2014 11: 46
      +5
      In general, it would be nice, taking into account the fact that modern transport and launch containers with ATGM, RPO and MANPADS are a fiberglass pipe, create an OMS DBM and the ability to place them on one platform, with the ability to fire any of these missiles. To make this complex on the principle of "fire and forget".
      This would make it possible to equip the car based on the task specifically set for the motorized rifle and to unify missile weapons for this type of BM as much as possible.
      We have an example of such a development, "Berezhok" is a confirmation of this.

      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 April 7 2014 11: 50
        +3
        Here is the same out of respect for the story I propose to see.

  10. sv68
    sv68 April 7 2014 11: 34
    +4
    it was necessary to buy the BTR90 for the army at least in an average series, otherwise the new machines are at the prototype stage while the tests are being carried out to deal with "childhood diseases"
    1. Argon
      Argon April 7 2014 13: 52
      +2
      If you are talking about BTR-82A then they are already full, I won’t call the district. Last year we managed to break two (one broke, drowned the second) and both of us got to the factory there and managed to see them from the inside.
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War April 7 2014 14: 43
        +2
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhAEWjGS61g#t=973
      2. The Art of War
        The Art of War April 7 2014 16: 19
        +2
        On the BTR-82A, it would be better if they installed a tower (Bahcha)! good
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 April 7 2014 20: 25
      +1
      BTR-90 does not meet the requirements of the military for a promising light platform ... and the cost
      as I heard it is comparable to MBT (exaggerated of course, but still expensive)
    3. 52
      52 April 8 2014 17: 06
      0
      Why? emnip, the price tag of this "dream of a grenade launcher" was almost half of the OBT. And I think that the mega weapon station in FIG is not needed by the transport cart. It is easier to include heavily armed fire support pepelats on a platform common with an armored personnel carrier.
    4. cast iron
      cast iron 14 February 2015 20: 13
      0
      The practice of using wheeled vehicles instead of heavy infantry fighting vehicles or tanks has not led to anything good. The highly specialized BTR80 / 90 should generally be replaced with a universal armored 8-wheel floating truck with mine protection and the ability to install a variety of combat and non-combat modules.

      And the infantry delivery function immediately behind the tanks should be completely given to heavy infantry fighting vehicles and light floating infantry fighting vehicles with powerful weapon systems.

      Using BTR70 / 80/90 at the same time as a taxi means spraying funds. As an assault weapon - idiocy. Against the partisans, we need special MPI trucks with good armor protection from 12,7 mm at close range and good protection against undermining on mines and improvised land mines.

      It is high time to book all available military trucks from at least 7,62 RMBs and from the simplest explosive devices. And in the future, replace them with a single armored 8-axis floating platform, on which you can install different modules - from the on-board truck body, to the turret with the FCS and the automatic gun.
  11. NAPOLEON
    NAPOLEON April 7 2014 15: 07
    +2
    cardboard drives. The British over the 3 years of the war in Avgan almost completely changed the model rad. We have been doing the same since the beginning of the 80s.
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 April 7 2014 20: 55
      +1
      It took the British several years to make war, so that it dawned on them that they needed to change the concept (learning from their mistakes). I am glad that our students began to learn from strangers, while there is time ... we must carefully approach the issue of creating an easy platform. And give our military the best that is possible today
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  13. Leshka
    Leshka April 7 2014 18: 33
    +1
    82nd is the power we will check soon good
  14. gallville
    gallville April 7 2014 20: 40
    0
    The author’s hands did even though BUSV reached while he copied it from Wikipedia?
    In addition, the “duty” of an armored personnel carrier on the battlefield is the fire support of fighters.

    Since when has armored personnel carrier support fire on the battlefield? !!!
    The maximum is a cover by fire at the landing site when K was brought in (K means to land near without entering ...) the battlefield. And the self-defense of the machine itself.
    The specified BTR-82 and BTR-90 weapons are already classified as BMP.
    This is even spelled out in the agreement on conventional weapons (if the memory doesn’t change, who remembers corrects) all equipment with a caliber below 14,7 mm inclusive is considered an armored personnel carrier like that. So this is more BMP !!!
    The article mixed in a bunch of people and horses.
    By the way, I would also add MTLB they are also used as armored personnel carriers in mountain brigades and in the Far East.
    1. Vasek
      Vasek April 8 2014 23: 07
      0
      Quote: gallville
      all equipment with a caliber below 14,7 mm inclusive is considered to be an armored personnel carrier


      Up to 14,7mm - machine gun; over 14.7mm - gun. So they distinguished between cars.
  15. kplayer
    kplayer April 7 2014 21: 31
    +3
    Quote: gallville
    Since when has armored personnel carrier support fire on the battlefield? !!!

    And since when? crews are an integral part of motorized rifle squads. From memory, the battle formation of motorized rifle units in the offensive is built in one echelon with the provision of a reserve, after dismounting armored personnel carriers operate (follow) at a distance of up to 400m from the infantry line ... I think it’s clear why and why? The infantry protects the vehicles from the enemy RPGs, the vehicle supports the infantry with fire, if necessary, extends and covers the infantry with armor, or makes a round with an exit to the enemy flank or rear.
  16. gallville
    gallville April 7 2014 22: 15
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    Quote: kplayer
    after dismounting, armored personnel carriers operate (follow) at a distance of up to 400m from the infantry line ...

    300 and BMP. Why 300? Because the infantry is 200 meters from the tank in front of the tank at 100m. barrage. Total about 500-600 meters to the nearest enemy trench. The effectiveness of manual anti-tank weapons is just up to 500 meters.
    The armored personnel carrier, on the other hand, supports the landing with its fire. He does not accompany further.
    This is the main difference between the BMP and the APC. BMP delivers and accompanies APC delivers and does not accompany.
  17. sakmagon
    sakmagon April 7 2014 23: 21
    +1
    It is known about attempts to install heavy machine guns DShKM and KPV on the BTR-50P armored personnel carrier. Despite the great firepower, such options for equipping armored vehicles did not become regular. It should be noted that there are photographs depicting BTR-50P armored personnel carriers with large-caliber weapons, however, such machine guns were installed only for parades

    Not quite so, or rather not at all, the DShK was a standard weapon, in our battalions one company was with the DShK
  18. kplayer
    kplayer April 7 2014 23: 43
    +2
    Quote: gallville
    300 and BMP. Why 300? Because the infantry is 200 meters from the tank in front of the tank at 100m. barrage. Total about 500-600 meters to the nearest enemy trench. The effectiveness of manual anti-tank weapons is just up to 500 meters.
    The armored personnel carrier, on the other hand, supports the landing with its fire. He does not accompany further.
    This is the main difference between the BMP and the APC. BMP delivers and accompanies APC delivers and does not accompany.

    And what has changed? increased the advance of tanks? - OK! Your 300m, i.e. my BEFORE 400m left in force.
    Further, are you going to fight, focusing on the classification from the treaty (a political document with different goals), or according to the tactics of maintaining the database (military regulations), saving the infantry? I can't even imagine how highly protected heavy Israeli armored personnel carriers, but armed with 7,62 / 12,7-mm machine gun turrets, they leave their infantry. The standard infantry armored vehicles are BTR-xx and BMP-x, for example, "police" armored vehicles of the MRAP class are not standard in any army of the World, tk. stand out from the composition of individual motor transport bat-nov / autobat (and the silhouette of the MRAP is too tall).
    1. gallville
      gallville April 8 2014 00: 10
      0
      Quote: kplayer
      Your 300m, i.e. mine up to 400m is still valid.
      Are you going to fight based on classification from a treaty (a political document that has other goals), or according to tactics of maintaining a database (military regulations), saving infantry?

      It is strange in the definition of the armored personnel carrier indicated by me above. In the modern charter, 300m is written. behind the chain of soldiers is "BMP (armored personnel carrier)" - literally.
      Infantry fighting vehicle
      (armored personnel carrier) operates behind the compartment chain up to 300 m, on its flank or
      directly in the chain.

      http://www.5ka.ru/16/36551/1.htmlнаступление раздел 005.
      Despite the clearly different performance characteristics as protection and fire capabilities indicated.
      Quote: kplayer
      I can’t even imagine how highly protected Israeli heavy armored personnel carriers are, but armed with 7,62 / 12,7 mm machine guns, they leave their infantry.

      Well, this is a comparison of their concept and ours, their task is to drive almost to the trenches.
      1. Vasek
        Vasek April 8 2014 23: 24
        0
        (Be careful, guys! The "Secret" stamp has never been removed from BUSV!)
  19. kplayer
    kplayer April 8 2014 01: 10
    +4
    Infantry fighting vehicle
    (armored personnel carrier) operates behind the compartment chain up to 300 m, on its flank or
    directly in the chain.

    Are you a surveyor? check the company standards (here the department, the standards are different for commanders of different levels) and you should not take everything very literally, especially since units, units and whole formations can march with deployed battle formations, not in marching columns and occasionally dismounting according to the situation.

    I repeat that I write comments from memory (the bookless worm did not copy-paste anywhere).

    Quote: gallville
    Well, this is a comparison of their concept and ours, their task is to drive almost to the trenches.

    Why is this bad? I admit that enemy trenches in an open area, for example, will pass and work tanks well (depending on the intensity of resistance), with the support of mortars, or artillery and without infantry rushing, as happened in Iraq (1991/2003), deploying infantry in a chain may and beautiful (this is what the enemy needs), but bullets with fragments fly.
    It's not a concept, but an outdated, in my opinion, doctrine (from the time of the Second World War).

    Prior to your appeal to the combat manuals of the NE, where do you think armored personnel carriers should have gone?
  20. tchoni
    tchoni April 8 2014 09: 40
    +2
    If we analyze the needs of the army, we can say that on the one hand, an inexpensive armored vehicle with good anti-mine protection, able to protect personnel from being blown up by a mine, and adapted to travel on public roads, as much as possible unified by units and units with civilian vehicles, is required in the first minutes of the battle, let him orient in the situation. (we recall different tigers, bears, federals (especially) snuffles and other persimmons) standard weapons for such a machine are unnecessary. loopholes on the sides and a maximum machine gun (ags) on the turrets.
    On the other hand, to carry out assault actions, an armored personnel carrier is required, capable of acting together with tanks, and, as a result, equal to them in terms of protection. Oddly enough, here too, serious armament is unnecessary, since you can’t surpass the armament tank, and the difficulties and dangers for the landing associated with the deployment of serious armament cannot be got anywhere. Rather, it is necessary to ensure the convenience of landing and a high-quality external review for the landing + the ability to use personal weapons.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 14 February 2015 20: 19
      0
      The meaning of the armored personnel carrier is that during the attack or the advance of the infantry behind the tanks this same infantry would not be mowed down by fragments from artillery, mines and MLRS. Immediately before contact with the visible enemy, the infantry must dismount from the armored personnel carrier and go after the tanks in dashes, hiding behind the terrain. At the same time, the armored personnel carrier moves away to a distance inaccessible to a direct shot of guns, ATGMs and automatic guns, and I think it constantly moves along the front so as not to be covered by howitzers and MLRS. The armored personnel carrier does not enter the battle. For armor protection does not allow, and the silhouette is huge compared to the individual infantrymen lying on the ground.
  21. Vasily Sosenko
    Vasily Sosenko April 9 2014 13: 19
    +1
    Powerful, beautiful, modern cars ...
  22. gallville
    gallville April 9 2014 20: 26
    0
    Quote: kplayer
    that units, units and whole formations can march with deployed battle formations, not in marching columns and periodically dismounting according to the situation.

    We are not talking about a "march", but specifically about a fight.
    Quote: kplayer
    I repeat that I write comments from memory

    I also write most of it from memory. But I don’t disdain to turn to the source.
    Quote: kplayer
    Prior to your appeal to the combat manuals of the NE, where do you think armored personnel carriers should have gone?

    Depends on a situation. Either at the landing site behind natural shelters or back to the location of the main forces.
    Quote: Vasily Sosenko
    Why is this bad? I admit that enemy trenches in open areas, for example, will pass and work tanks well (depending on the intensity of resistance), with the support of mortars, or artillery and without dismounting infantry

    The doctrine of nuclear war described above. Hence the loopholes on our armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.
    In reality, the battle without dismounting was never carried out by the Soviet and post by the Soviet armies.
    Quote: kplayer
    this happened in Iraq (1991/2003

    As happened in Iraq in 2003, I have a weak concept and were there any fights in the open then? But on the account of the tank battle in Iraq 1, there are some representations from open sources. So Saddam used tank divisions against the Americans. There were not many infantry there.
  23. kplayer
    kplayer April 9 2014 21: 55
    +1
    Quote: gallville
    We are not talking about a "march", but specifically about a fight.

    Well then, you can take a nap, and wait for the command of the staff, when the front line turns into battle formation, all the same, the crews on the BTR-ahs went fishing, while the infantry ran after the miraculously appeared tanks and fought (MBTs usually operate in conjunction with infantry fighting vehicles and not armored personnel carriers; they do not form compounds and units with another organizational and staff structure, except for combined brigades reinforced by tank battalions, but tactics of action are provided).

    Now seriously, we are talking about offensive combat, when for the first (advanced) echelon of troops march, and when the battle is, the line is very thin and depends on the intensity of resistance, it can be focal, and it can be massive and organized (counterattacks and open-air battle) .

    Quote: gallville
    Depends on a situation. Either at the landing site behind natural shelters or back to the location of the main forces.

    The main forces, with the exception of the allocated reserve, entered the battle!

    Maybe I don’t understand what to prove and tell about myself? I remember this:
    Quote: gallville
    Since when has armored personnel carrier support fire on the battlefield? !!!
  24. gallville
    gallville April 9 2014 22: 26
    0
    Quote: kplayer
    Well then, you can take a nap and wait for the staff’s order, when the front line turns into battle formation, all the same, the crews on the BTR-ahs went fishing while the infantry ran after the miraculously appeared tanks and fought (usually the MBTs operate in conjunction with the BMP and not the BTR , formations and units with a different organizational and staff structure do not form, except for combined brigades reinforced by tank battalions, but tactics of action are provided).

    Is there anything that regiments / brigades per armored personnel carrier existed even under the USSR and tank battalions entered it (1 per regiment / brigade)? Organizationally, they differed from regiments on infantry fighting vehicles by the presence of a company of peters. on the armored personnel carrier is not as on bmp. I am writing from memory.
    Quote: kplayer
    when the march is for the first (advanced) echelon of the troops, and when the battle is, the line is very thin and depends on the intensity of resistance, it can be focal, and it can be massive and organized (counterattacks and open-fire combat)

    We recall the lines of deployment in battle order when joining a battle immediately. And the transition to the offensive from the occupied positions. Top link =))
    Quote: kplayer
    Maybe I don’t understand what to prove and tell about myself? I remember this:

    And what is it for? Where exactly on the battlefield will the BTR support its infantry with its 14.7mm barrel? When the supply column is ambushed? so religion doesn’t allow combat protection and reconnaissance of the path, so as not to get there? money for MPI sorry? Although, given the experience of wars, the first happened, and the second continues now. But does not say what should be.
  25. kplayer
    kplayer April 9 2014 23: 54
    +1
    Quote: gallville
    Is there anything that regiments / brigades per armored personnel carrier existed even under the USSR and tank battalions entered it (1 per regiment / brigade)? Organizationally, they differed from regiments on infantry fighting vehicles by the presence of a company of peters. on the armored personnel carrier is not as on bmp. I am writing from memory.

    Well, actually, I didn’t ask. But it’s nothing that these regiments and brigades respectively include companies and battalions on infantry fighting vehicles, which are now being replaced with BTR-82 (with a 30-mm gun). I repeat, if there is an MBT, that is, a subunit (company) of BMP, or now BTR-82, tanks in the USSR lacked the obsolete T-55 / -62 (MBT of the USSR: T-64 / -72 / -80), and the army was multi-million dollar. Further in antiquity we will not climb?

    Quote: gallville
    We recall the lines of deployment in battle order when joining a battle immediately.

    Yes! whoever spoke urging to remember (three days of reading the charter and already a pro). And "Twenty-five Again" Apparently the war is proceeding as planned, according to plan and according to the book, without frontal gaps and with covered flanks? No one will give you a guarantee in a combat situation that reconnaissance will not make a mistake and will not miss and the order for combat deployment will be received on time and everything will go smoothly (it’s time to take into account the technical and human factor). Enough naivety to build, yeah!
    The advancing advanced units, if the terrain conditions permit, act in one way or another, reserves and rarely the second echelon, if any, for the time being can move in marching columns.

    Quote: gallville
    ... Where exactly on the battlefield will an armored vehicle support its infantry with its 14.7mm barrel? When the supply column is ambushed? so religion doesn’t allow combat protection and reconnaissance of the path, so as not to get there? ...

    Where should there be an armored personnel carrier, or is the combat manual crookedly written? 14,5 mm machine gun, effective firing range up to 2000m. A full-time armored troop carrier is in charge with its unit, separate companies / armored troop battalions (not motorized rifle) are of other business, it is also supposed to include domestic MRAPs there.
  26. Norman
    Norman April 11 2014 16: 56
    0
    Yes, in YouTube there is enough video how these armored personnel carriers and tanks, coffins and only burn in Syria.
  27. beifall
    beifall April 19 2014 17: 14
    -1
    We are like a BTR -82 ligature, Lada on eight wheels!
  28. figter
    figter April 26 2014 23: 25
    0
    BTR-82A is simply obliged to bear the ATGM, but rather a few, otherwise good luck not to see us in battle. Composing the second line of armored vehicles in the offensive, he not only supports motorized rifles, but also covers the tank from anti-tank weapons as he approaches the front line of the enemy’s defense. Such means may include tanks and bunkers. Equipping the BTR-82 with a good ATGM with a destruction range that exceeds the maximum range of the tank, it, covering itself with the armor of the latter, will be a serious help in solving such fire problems.
  29. Kronos
    Kronos 4 June 2014 16: 15
    0
    Yes, indeed, the ATGM is not enough, but the TTX of the gun is impressive!
  30. Tishka
    Tishka 15 October 2014 03: 09
    0
    Of course, an armored personnel carrier is a means of delivering infantry to a battlefield, and it is advisable to deliver them whole and healthy. Therefore, a normal reservation is necessary, both from shell fragments and from heavy machine guns, and also preferably from guns and RPGs. For the reason that, how much such equipment did not cost, it is easier to produce it than to raise a soldier. And perhaps it’s time to abandon the tactics of the Second World War, when the infantry, covering the tanks and the first to go on the attack, may simply not be enough soldiers if they are used, therefore, in modern combat realities, the armored personnel carrier should not only deliver and provide protection to the infantry, but crush enemy machine guns with fire. A 30 mm cannon is capable of blowing off all the protection from the tank, along with sights and observation devices. It is also good to destroy those tanks with missiles that can inflict losses with their fire, both equipment and infantry. So, in the realities of modern combat, it is better for infantry to sit out for armor until attack aircraft and tanks fire advanced fire, destroying enemy equipment and infantry, and after that, clean up the territory for a further offensive. And if we fight, as our staff officers say, then for sure, again we will throw our caps over the enemy, and with a cry of “Hurray” we will launch a bayonet attack. Both the Chechen and Afghanistan have shown that the infantry prefers to ride on the armor, and in the event of an attack, to jump from it is more likely to survive than to sit behind the plywood armor! Therefore, Israel creates an armored personnel carrier on the basis of the captured tanks in order to secure the infantry, and not to ruin people in vain.