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Which side is God?

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In a speech devoted to the entry of the Crimea into Russia, Vladimir Putin listed memorable events that occurred on this land.


Crimea, according to Putin, is located on the “site of ancient Chersonesos, where Prince Vladimir was baptized. His spiritual feat predetermined the development of Russian culture and civilization. This circumstance unites the peoples of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. ”

This speech is a continuation of his December message to the Federal Assembly, where the president declared that Russia opposes the beliefs of the “decaying West”:

“We see how many Euro-Atlantic countries have actually taken the path of abandoning their roots, including Christian values, which form the basis of Western civilization.

Moral principles and any traditional identity are denied: national, cultural, religious or even sexual. There is a policy that puts on one level a large family and a same-sex partnership, faith in God or faith in Satan. "

So what happens? A new war of religions is taking place, and Russia acts in it on the side of God, and the West - on the side of Gomorrah.

The president of Russia can be treated as you please, but Vladimir Putin is well aware of what he is doing.

The first Rome was a holy city for all Christianity. The second Rome was Constantinople (now Istanbul), the era of which ended after the invasion of the Turks in the year 1453. And the Third Rome, in the minds of believers, is Moscow.

Putin gives Moscow the role of the Holy City and the center of the struggle against neo-paganism and paganism. In the cultural war for the future of mankind, he firmly puts the Russian flag on the side of traditional Christianity.

In his last speeches, echoes of the speech of John Paul II are heard, whose Evangelium Vitae, proclaimed in 1995, was a challenge to the West, which commits a moral crime, rejects the integrity of human life and lives in a "death culture" that despises the weak.

What did Pope John Paul mean by the phrase “moral crime”?

The capitulation of the West before the sexual revolution, divorce, rampant licentiousness, pornography, homosexuality, feminism, abortion, same-sex marriage, euthanasia, the replacement of Christian values ​​with the values ​​of Hollywood.

Writer Masha Gessen, author of a book about the Russian president, said that "Russia is positioning itself as the leader of the anti-Western world."

In 2013, the Kremlin banned gay propaganda, abortion after 12 weeks of gestation, as well as insulting the feelings of believers.

Is this not a new ideological war? And which side is God?
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  1. predator.3
    predator.3 April 5 2014 07: 32
    +20
    Which side is God?

    As Frederick the Great said, "God is always on the side of large battalions!"
    1. maks-101
      maks-101 April 5 2014 07: 36
      +43
      Which side is God?
      God is on the side of justice, or the Serbian proverb, "God in heaven Russia on earth"

      1. atalef
        atalef April 5 2014 09: 46
        +1
        Quote: maks-xnumx
        God is on the side of justice, or the Serbian proverb, "God in heaven Russia on earth"

        generally God is on no side. The question is, who is on his side?
        God does not choose - he is for everyone and for no one at the same time.
        1. Name
          Name April 5 2014 10: 30
          +10
          Quote: atalef
          God does not choose - he is for everyone and for no one at the same time.

          GOD is TRUTH, and TRUTH AND RUSSIA, is SYNONYMOUS!
          You know .... probably like this:
          1. polite people
            polite people April 5 2014 15: 26
            +2
            God is love.
        2. Nuar
          Nuar April 5 2014 11: 46
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          God does not choose - he is for everyone and for no one at the same time.
          it’s funny to hear from a Jew. But what about your Testament, God's chosen people, etc.
          1. does it
            does it April 5 2014 12: 33
            +5
            Quote: Nuar
            it’s funny to hear from a Jew. But what about your Testament, God's chosen people, etc.

            Everything that lives on God's chosen earth, the same applies to people. But I'm still interested! Now, according to the Slavic calendar, 7523.What happened to 6500 thousand years of Slavic history?
            1. Vice president
              Vice president April 5 2014 14: 59
              +2
              7523 year from the creation of the world in a star temple !!! And what was before is generally unknown
        3. antibanukurayza
          antibanukurayza April 5 2014 13: 17
          +3
          Interesting. Don't your rabbis say that God is exclusively on the side of the "chosen" Jews?
          1. does it
            does it April 5 2014 15: 05
            +1
            Quote: antibanukuraza
            Interesting. And your rabbis do not say that Is God exclusively on the side of "God's chosen" Jews?

            THIS is all Jewish fairy tales! All peoples who live on earth are God's chosen! Otherwise, they simply did not exist on the planet.
        4. yur
          yur April 5 2014 14: 25
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          God does not choose - he is for everyone and for no one at the same time.
          Yah? I doubt very much that the Lord was for those whom he destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah, for those who kill nuns in Syria, for the same cannibal fighters in Syria. And most importantly, he is against those who destroy the foundations of Christianity and impose a universal brothel. Here they will not be forgiven forever and ever!
      2. DS22
        DS22 April 5 2014 11: 00
        +3
        Well, yes, Russia is the throne of God on earth!
      3. Skiff-2
        Skiff-2 April 5 2014 12: 36
        +5
        Quote: maks-xnumx
        Which side is God?
        God is on the side of justice, or the Serbian proverb, "God in heaven Russia on earth"


        "God is not in power, but in TRUTH" (Alexander Nevsky), and truth is on our side, which means God is with us.
        And here is the confirmation - the Yellowstone supervolcano is boiling - all goodbye America. The US government is looking for countries to resettle its citizens when it all starts, offering 10 billion dollars. in year . The candidates are Argentina, Brazil, Australia and South Africa, yes, South Africa has already refused categorically.
        Who cares to read the Politicus website.
      4. allexx83
        allexx83 April 5 2014 23: 22
        +1
        We need to think about whether He is in the soul of each of us. Especially now, in Great Lent. It's time to think about such topics, the time to evaluate your thoughts, words, actions.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky April 5 2014 07: 38
      +16
      Quote: predator.3
      Which side is God?

      If someone has doubts about whose, then there is a clue - the West is on the side of Satan ..
      1. Belarus
        Belarus April 5 2014 12: 28
        +4
        I watched one series true american name "Carnival" found two seasons on the Internet. So there, though I don't remember exactly at the beginning of one episode, there were the words of one very small person: ..... the devil has now settled in America and there he is now.
      2. antoha
        antoha April 5 2014 12: 34
        +2
        And what can be said in connection with the support of the Pusi Riot in the West ?, these defilers, this confirms the fact that the West is on the side of darkness, who against Russia is that friend of the West.
      3. polite people
        polite people April 5 2014 15: 10
        +4
        By their deeds it is clear who they are and to whom they serve.
      4. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 5 2014 23: 18
        +2
        Tersky, do not simplify so.
        If someone has doubts about whose, then there is a clue - the West is on the side of Satan ...

        But what if the battlefield is Earth? So what about those sincere people in the West who are protesting against pido fascism?

        protests in France
    3. Magadan
      Magadan April 5 2014 08: 33
      +11
      Yeah, only the large battalions against Frederick against Russia did not help either under Zorndoff or under Gross-Jägerrsdoff. They did not help him when Koenigsberg switched to Russia. So in vain he said so.
      God is where the Truth is, which was confirmed by the example of Frederick
    4. My address
      My address April 5 2014 08: 47
      +6
      Sorry, Ilgam. hi

      This is the first said Marshal of France 17-th century Turenn. I read it at Tarle. Some literary scholars believe that Dumas transferred part of the biography of Turenne to D. Artanyan. But it does not matter. Napoleon, who puts Turenna above many and repeats this expression, had in mind the unity of purpose for all, from the recruit to the commander. Here we would achieve this in Russia!
    5. Horde
      Horde April 5 2014 09: 53
      -8
      Putin gives Moscow the role of the Holy City and the center of the struggle against neo-paganism and paganism. In the cultural war for the future of mankind, he firmly puts the Russian flag on the side of traditional Christianity.

      MOSCOW does not draw on the role of the SACRED CITY precisely because this city can be called anything but a RELIGIOUS CAPITAL and looking at MOSCOW it becomes clear that there is no TRADITIONALITY or CONTINUITY either in culture or in transmission, of any traditions like Moscow- THIRD ROME, but it is clearly visible to which god the rulers of the state and the city are praying - this is the GOLDEN Taurus, so this Patrick Byukonen does not need to be wishful thinking.
      1. radio operator
        radio operator April 5 2014 10: 36
        +10
        Quote: Horde
        MOSCOW does not pull on the role of the SACRED CITY

        On the one hand, you are right, the capital is now the concentration of sodom on the 1 / 6 part of the land, and on the other hand, the center of Orthodoxy, i.e. least distorted Christianity.
        What this city will be like depends on all of us. Both you and me
        1. Horde
          Horde April 5 2014 11: 21
          -7
          Quote: radio operator
          What this city will be like depends on all of us. Both you and me

          stop talking in cliches from you and me, from the common people DO NOT DEPEND ANYTHING ...
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 5 2014 12: 33
            +3
            Quote: Horde
            it’s worth talking with cliches from you and me, from the common people DON’T DEPEND ANYTHING ...
            Yes no DEPEND. Do not follow the signal of MOBILIZATION, do not resist the enemy and no power will be held ...
            1. Horde
              Horde April 5 2014 13: 27
              -2
              Quote: svp67
              Yes no DEPEND. Do not follow the signal of MOBILIZATION, do not resist the enemy and no power will be held ...


              Don’t say anything stupid, there’s a call for Banderland in Ukraine, and now people are coming, even fathers of families, and why? because they are afraid of being ARRESTED, people are being persecuted like a herd in a slaughterhouse and so on everywhere in Russia and America and Ukraine, they will say and we will shoot at each other ...
          2. radio operator
            radio operator April 5 2014 12: 35
            +5
            Quote: Horde
            stop talking in cliches from you and me, from the common people DO NOT DEPEND ANYTHING ...

            It’s immediately obvious that you are a materialist. You think that our life is between three dimensions.
            This is not true. Christ gave us the laws of the spiritual world, observing which, including, we continue Russian civilization.
            1. Horde
              Horde April 5 2014 13: 21
              0
              Quote: radio operator
              It’s immediately obvious that you are a materialist


              Yes, no, I still think that the world has been created, but God is not at all a father to his human children, therefore there are wars, therefore human suffering, but who is HE or THEY?
              1. yur
                yur April 5 2014 14: 50
                +3
                Quote: Horde
                created, but the Lord is not at all a father to his human children, therefore wars, therefore human suffering,
                No, dear! The Lord is a father to his human children, but he is a FATHER, not a CONVOIR! And He gave people free will, and it only depends on us how we dispose of it - whether there will be "wars and human suffering" or we will still build the Kingdom of God on Earth. And we will answer for everything that we did.
                1. Horde
                  Horde April 5 2014 15: 03
                  -2
                  Quote: yur
                  He gave people free will and it depends only on us how we dispose of it, whether there will be "wars and human suffering" or we will still build the Kingdom of God on Earth. And we will answer for everything that


                  "free will" in our society is freedom, but not for everyone for the oligarchoffs, there is one freedom, Courchevel, food without GMO, but for the people there is another freedom, work for wear and tear, crushing in transport with the same "free" boxes with dancing Jews and complete uncertainty about the future ...
                  for us, to count ketsets, and for you a luxurious etsih and muzzles and rejoice patsaki rejoice ...
              2. radio operator
                radio operator April 8 2014 08: 43
                0
                Quote: Horde
                Yes, no, I still think that the world has been created, but God is not at all a father to his human children, therefore there are wars, therefore human suffering, but who is HE or THEY?

                Therefore, the Lord also gave us the commandments, keeping which we will live happily.
                But if WE violate them ourselves, then what does God have to do with it?
          3. yur
            yur April 5 2014 14: 36
            0
            Quote: Horde
            NOTHING DEPENDS ON ANYTHING PEOPLE ...
            Well, if you consider yourself not a people, but someone "simple", then maybe it does not depend. But seriously, without people any power is NOTHING.
            1. Horde
              Horde April 5 2014 14: 53
              -2
              Quote: yur
              Well, if you consider yourself not a people, but someone "simple", then maybe it does not depend. But seriously, without people any power is NOTHING.


              for those who consider themselves to be something they reckon with and who will scream loudly in the squares there is a good means of persuasion 282 Russian-welcome to the civilized world ... stop
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 April 6 2014 03: 07
                +1
                Quote: Horde
                282 Russian - welcome to the civilized world ...

                It is a pity that not 58th bully
                1. Horde
                  Horde April 6 2014 08: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  It is a pity that not 58th

                  why are you sorry?
          4. mejik
            mejik April 5 2014 14: 40
            +3
            Quote: Horde

            stop talking in cliches from you and me, from the common people DO NOT DEPEND ANYTHING ...
            It depends! Depends on EVERYONE! Truth, as always, at the end of the work ...

            Die for the motherland
            Alexander Lebedev

            Are you ready to die for your homeland?
            Throw your body into the fire?
            To die, not submitted to the order,
            Fold away, holding the palm to the wounds?

            Somewhere in a quiet forest outback
            Lie down, eyes looking up.
            The body will quietly let the soul go
            And your life will end.

            Or in a wide and windy field
            Mouth covering Russia with itself,
            And breathing slower
            Life will come out ... and sadness will remain.

            Are you ready with an easy step
            Run up and expose the chest
            Under the hot lead that loose
            Rush to the death path?

            Are you ready in a narrow gorge,
            On the border of good and evil
            To die because Russian,
            To die for Russia to live? ..
      2. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 5 2014 10: 38
        +9
        Quote: Horde
        MOSCOW does not pull on the role of the SACRED CITY

        You probably mean the city of Kitezh? In your understanding of the SACRED CITY, this city is one continuous monastery and penitent pilgrims with candles?
        Moscow it is different, someone will say the city of night clubs and will be right, someone will say the pathos bureaucratic city, and will be right, and someone will say that Moscow is a city of monasteries and churches ...... And everyone will be right!
        Who is to blame for you, that you are looking for one, did not see the other?
        1. Horde
          Horde April 5 2014 11: 20
          -5
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          You probably mean the city of Kitezh? In your understanding of the SACRED CITY, this city is one continuous monastery and penitent pilgrims with candles?

          what kitezh? a holy city, the third Rome — a completely concrete concept — this is the continuity of culture and religion in Moscow, for a long time, there is no culture, and only primitive piety has remained from the traditions of religion ...
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          Moscow it is different, someone will say the city of night clubs and will be right, someone will say the pathos bureaucratic city, and will be right, and someone will say that Moscow is a city of monasteries and churches ...... And everyone will be right!
          Who is to blame for you, that you are looking for one, did not see the other?


          though IT IS ONE and there are not many truths, there was no need to turn THIRD ROME into a pigsty, where everything is subordinated to raising money at all costs, where CULTURE is DESTROYED by digging up the historical center and erecting new shopping centers, and as for God, the Moscow people do not specify turned away from God a long time ago, and in churches and monasteries only politicians are celebrated, but wretched ...
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            1. Horde
              Horde April 5 2014 12: 29
              -2
              Quote: -Barbar-
              Unfortunately, the truth is not true; it can be presented in different ways.


              the Jesuits did not study? somewhere at Ilf and Petrov -Skubrievich, - "I'm not doing this in the name of truth, in the name of truth" laughing

              Quote: -Barbar-
              For the Russian consciousness, truth is not only “not a lie”, but also correctness (truth). That which is true is true; and the truth is fair.


              the conversation is generally about what our MOSCOW has become like today, and so Moscow has lost all its religious and cultural traditions and has turned into a BAZAR where everything is bought and everything is sold and RESOLD SPECULATION is flourishing, MOSCOW is a market where everyone has gathered from Russia, to the Caucasus and Central Asia for making money, and not for pilgrimage to holy places ...

              Quote: -Barbar-
              The truth is always alone! Only every person should try to see as many facets of this truth as possible before drawing a conclusion.

              here's the truth - Muscovites have turned their backs on God and the construction of new churches does not attract new parishioners and does not make these people more moral and religious, but on the contrary, our country and Moscow, like the rest of the world, are slipping into the abyss of WRONG ...
          2. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov April 5 2014 12: 34
            +1
            Quote: Horde
            though IT IS ONE and there are not many truths, there was no need to turn THIRD ROME into a pigsty, where everything is subordinated to raising money at all costs, where CULTURE is DESTROYED by digging up the historical center and erecting new shopping centers, and as for God, the Moscow people do not specify turned away from God a long time ago, and in churches and monasteries only politicians are celebrated, but wretched ...

            You brought a respected in the wilds in which, as it turned out, you absolutely do not understand!
            "Russia is the third Rome", not Moscow and the fact that it looks like a pigsty is our COMMON wine!
            Found the source of all troubles! Moskvafob also to me!
            1. Horde
              Horde April 5 2014 13: 18
              0
              Quote: dmitriygorshkov
              You brought a respected in the wilds in which, as it turned out, you absolutely do not understand!
              "Russia is the third Rome", and


              I do not understand? I would still hope, dear, to learn a little before you teach anyone ...
              Theory "Moscow - the Third Rome" by Philotheus. Filofey (c. 1465-1542) - elder of the Pskov Spaso-Eleazarovsky monastery (the village of Elizarovo, Pskov region), information about which is very scarce. He is known as the alleged author of the concept "Moscow - the Third Rome" (qv), the theses of which are set forth in his letters to the clerk Mikhail Grigorievich Misuryu-Munehin and the Grand Duke Vasily III Ivanovich. Third Rome - a European religious, historiosophical and political idea that was used (is being used) to substantiate the special religious and political significance of various countries as successors to the Roman Empire


              the first Rome fell, the second Rome fell, MOSCOW-THIRD ROME, and the fourth will not happen ...
              1. yur
                yur April 5 2014 15: 18
                0
                Quote: Horde
                I do not understand? I would still hope, dear, to learn a little before you teach anyone ...
                Theory "Moscow - the Third Rome" by Philotheus.
                I don’t understand, you pretend or don’t really understand what exactly in that context when “Moscow” is said it is “Russia”. Well on the fingers. When Lavrov says: "Washington rejected Moscow's reasonable proposals," you do not think that two cities were talking to each other, and not states. wink
                1. Horde
                  Horde April 5 2014 15: 39
                  -2
                  Quote: yur
                  I don’t understand, you pretend or don’t really understand what exactly in that context when “Moscow” is said it is “Russia”

                  would you like to learn the rules of the Russian language, and the rules we have among Russians are, when they say MOSCOW, they mean the city, not the country and the mainland, but what do you understand, can you keep it with you or you are not Russian?
                  1. yur
                    yur April 6 2014 11: 19
                    0
                    Quote: Horde
                    would you like to learn the rules of the Russian language, and the rules we have among Russians are, when they say MOSCOW, they mean the city, not the country and the mainland, but what do you understand, can you keep it with you or you are not Russian?
                    "Jupiter, you are angry - then you are wrong."
                    This means that if you started insulting your opponent and looking for his national identity, then most likely you are wrong in the statements you set out above. And in relation to my Russianness, I hasten to reassure you - I am Russian, Russian (and for a long time, already 64th year). And in relation to "Moscow" now I am sure, you pretend!
                    1. Horde
                      Horde April 6 2014 12: 37
                      0
                      Quote: yur
                      And in relation to "Moscow" now I am sure, you pretend!


                      can explain? or just blurt out and bounce?
                      1. yur
                        yur April 6 2014 14: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Horde
                        can explain? or just blurt out and bounce?
                        God knows, I honestly tried to explain to you, but either I am so incapable or, most likely, "not into the horse feed." So I finish with the explanations, goodbye. Wish you luck.
                        PS By the way, I didn’t put any minuses to you during the discussion. love
            2. -Barbarian-
              -Barbarian- 13 July 2014 13: 41
              0
              TRUE IT IS ONE and there are not many truths

              Unfortunately, the truth is not true; it can be presented in different ways.
              For the Russian consciousness, truth is not only “not a lie”, but also correctness (truth). That which is true is true; and the truth is fair.
              So, the Truth, though one, but it is always multifaceted, and it is always advisable to take into account the maximum number of faces of this truth, if we do not want to make mistakes. Very often people say that everyone has their own truth, and ... they are both right and fundamentally wrong at the same time, saying so. The truth is always alone! Only every person should try to see as many facets of this truth as possible before drawing a conclusion.
              Otherwise ... "If we do not live correctly, it means that we see the world incorrectly."
          3. svp67
            svp67 April 5 2014 12: 34
            0
            Quote: Horde
            what kitezh? a holy city, the third Rome — a completely concrete concept — this is the continuity of culture and religion in Moscow, for a long time, there is no culture, and only primitive piety has remained from the traditions of religion ...

            Everyone builds his own TEMPLE. And if you have not found a way to God, then you should not talk about others ...
          4. yur
            yur April 5 2014 15: 04
            0
            Quote: Horde
            there was no need to turn THIRD ROME into a pigsty, where everything is subordinated to raising money at all costs, where CULTURE IS DESTROYED by digging up the historical center and erecting in
            13 million people live in Moscow, of which at least 12 million work, create families, love their children, pray in churches, build and decorate Moscow. You see only the pigsty and dirt, only bribes and traders. Probably very hard to live like that? I am very sorry for you.
            1. Horde
              Horde April 5 2014 15: 30
              0
              Quote: yur
              13 million people live in Moscow, of which at least 12 million work, create families, love their children, pray in churches, build and decorate Moscow.

              live, yes live half creaks something that does, by the way do not tell me, but what does Moscow do? can cars or advanced machines, or radio equipment, which in the world is not equal? the other half collects money from them because all the visitors and Muscovites are ordinary and all kinds of legal entities living with the fact that they RENT HOUSING and space for financial speculation, that’s what your Moscow does

              Quote: yur
              pray in temples, build and decorate Moscow.

              Churches are mostly visited by elderly people, and only a few are sick, young people do not hang out in churches, the people have neither love for God, nor fear for what they have done. maybe Moscow city? beauty is nothing to say, straight from New York to Moscow, such beauty, or maybe you like the "beauty" of traffic-filled city streets, constant noise and dirt? or do you like business offices and shopping malls with unaffordable prices? so where is the beauty? answer ...
    6. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 5 2014 10: 26
      +4
      Quote: predator.3
      As Frederick the Great said, "God is always on the side of large battalions!"

      It was he who blasphemed!
      We are closer to the words of A.V.Suvorov- "Not by number, but by skill!"
      1. radio operator
        radio operator April 5 2014 10: 30
        +3
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        We are closer to the words of A.V.Suvorov- "Not by number, but by skill!"

        And that is true!
    7. serge
      serge April 5 2014 10: 27
      0
      God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of the best shooters (Voltaire).
    8. datur
      datur April 5 2014 11: 17
      0
      [quote = predator.3] [quote] Which side is God on? [/ quote]
      As Frederick the Great said, "God is always on the side of large battalions!" ---- and not Napoleon, did he say
      ?
      1. Max otto
        Max otto April 5 2014 13: 36
        +1
        Guys, you poured something quotes, well, it doesn’t matter. Is there a god, is there not him - science does not know this. Therefore, you just need to stick together, hold on to the truth, the one who is right will always win, even if not immediately, even later, even after death, but he will definitely win. No wonder the expression appeared - Our cause is just - the victory will be ours!
        And at the expense of quotes - there is such an opinion (such as humor):
  2. Sibiriya
    Sibiriya April 5 2014 07: 34
    +10
    The capitulation of the West before the sexual revolution, divorce, rampant licentiousness, pornography, homosexuality, feminism, abortion, same-sex marriage, euthanasia, the replacement of Christian values ​​with the values ​​of Hollywood.


    God is with us

    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov April 5 2014 07: 35
      +6
      God be with them ...

      It is a pity that the text does not convey intonation. The phrase is almost the same, but the meaning is different.
      1. Maxsh
        Maxsh April 5 2014 10: 41
        0
        And you just need to put a comma after "yes" and everything will be transmitted smile
  3. Roman Skomorokhov
    Roman Skomorokhov April 5 2014 07: 34
    +15
    Mr. Buchanan is the smartest person. Yes, and with unclogged brains. The old frame of American politics, when it was still like that. And, oddly enough for Amer - respecting Russia. It would be strange to hear something else from him.

    By the way, when he wrote this, he still apparently was not aware that an article was being prepared in our Duma for Nazism. It's a pity. Homosexuals - to homosexuals, but those wishing to pray for portraits of Hitler, Bandera and others - it's time to nail. And at the lumbering or uranium mines. For the good of all.

    It’s a pity I’m not in the Duma, I would also suggest introducing public corporal punishment in the form of flogging for such Tyutyunnikova and other snacks. With a show in the news.
  4. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 5 2014 07: 35
    +13
    Russia has not forgotten God.
    Though the godmother’s torment has passed,
    But still sacredly preserved
    A particle of faith and warmth.

    And from one from a small candle
    A mighty dawn came on.
    And it became clear: faith is eternal,
    How eternal are the sun and the earth.
  5. StolzSS
    StolzSS April 5 2014 07: 35
    +8
    Smart people have long recognized the existence of a higher organizing principle called God in the common people hi
  6. sashppppp
    sashppppp April 5 2014 07: 36
    +6
    God is on the side of good and love because God is good
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 April 5 2014 07: 41
      +6
      Yes, God seems to be love.
      He gave me a couple of times to feel.
      God is on the side of everyone.
    2. Horde
      Horde April 5 2014 09: 59
      -3
      Quote: sashppppp
      God is on the side of good and love because God is good


      good, good, only when the war begins, people die and blood spills, you begin to wonder where he is hiding?
  7. visitor
    visitor April 5 2014 07: 38
    +6
    Correct article
  8. ZU-23
    ZU-23 April 5 2014 07: 41
    +4
    God is on the side of Russia, definitely, because only she comes in contact with him and believes in him.
  9. bomg.77
    bomg.77 April 5 2014 07: 41
    +6
    Not an expanded article. It all boils down to the fact that we are opposed to general homosexual men. But what about the fact that this has been going on for 1000 years. The opposition lasts a very long time so that, to reduce it only to Putin and homosexuals, there is a deeper contradiction.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan April 5 2014 08: 35
      +4
      the contradiction is certainly deeper. Just on homosexuals, general human beings, bankers, juvenile fascists, etc. it is very clearly in our time manifested. Sodom with Gomorrah also existed for a long time until they reached a certain point.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 April 5 2014 09: 09
        +2
        Quote: Magadan
        Sodom with Gomorrah also existed for a long time until they reached a certain point
        Yellowstone on their heads! laughing
  10. Name
    Name April 5 2014 07: 43
    +3
    Greetings to all! I apologize! PUTIN, and RUSSIA is on our side
    .
  11. zzzeka
    zzzeka April 5 2014 07: 43
    +2
    GOD is with us ... so who is against it?
  12. konvalval
    konvalval April 5 2014 07: 45
    +3
    God is definitely on our side and it cannot be revised, and you with your "values" will burn in hell.
  13. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson April 5 2014 07: 46
    -2
    Neopaganism? Paganism? Maybe Islam?
    1. Magadan
      Magadan April 5 2014 08: 37
      +6
      I would not put Islam on a par with those who smear a piece of piece of wood with lard and sacrifice virgins to a crocodile.
      1. DS22
        DS22 April 5 2014 11: 05
        +1
        But nothing that Russian Orthodoxy harmoniously absorbed Slavic paganism? Read Academician B.A. Rybakova, there will be no thoughts about fat and pieces of wood ... By the way, not only idols were smeared with fat, but also the count before the execution, it’s true, by the way laughing
    2. radio operator
      radio operator April 5 2014 10: 28
      +2
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      Neopaganism? Paganism? Maybe Islam?

      Traditional Islam is close to Christianity like no other religion.
      The word "Islam" is translated as "obedience".
      And the fact that there are perversions of Islam, in the form of Wahhabis, for example - this has nothing to do with traditions.
      Moreover, the Orthodox bishops and mules of Russia sincerely call each other brothers.
      Orthodoxy is closer to traditional Islam than Protestantism.
  14. zzz
    zzz April 5 2014 07: 48
    +6
    As for the Maidan in Kiev, I have never seen a topic in which it was discussed that there are basically 2 religions fighting there. The western part is Catholics with almost the entire world, and the Eastern part is Orthodox, in which only some allies have cried. There are 250-300 million Orthodox Christians all over the world, I don’t know for sure. Well, the rest are simply attached, without religion at all. And so, if you dig into history ... it's not for nothing that there is an expression "Holy Russia." Well, the Anglo-Saxons do not like Christians ...
  15. torrr38_41
    torrr38_41 April 5 2014 07: 50
    +6
    Tell me, American, what is the strength? Is it in the money? So the brother says that in money. You have a lot of money, and why? I think that power is in truth. Whoever has the truth is stronger.
  16. mabuta
    mabuta April 5 2014 07: 52
    +14
    When the USSR collapsed, no one in the West squealed about territorial integrity. Or did Khrushchev when he sent the Crimea with a stroke of his pen just like that to Ukraine, is that legitimate too?
  17. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 5 2014 07: 55
    +6
    God is on the side of truth! And the truth is on our side! yes
  18. DMB-75
    DMB-75 April 5 2014 07: 57
    +3
    I beg you, anything, just do not touch the Lord God, this is sacred.
    1. zzz
      zzz April 5 2014 08: 22
      +10
      Quote: DMB-75
      I beg you, anything, just do not touch the Lord God, this is sacred.


      And the fact that Orthodox churches and priests are being destroyed - do not touch too? Zhukov was a deeply religious person, and he defeated the Nazis with faith in God.
      The people preserved the tradition that Zhukov carried along the fronts the Kazan icon of the Mother of God. Several years ago, Archimandrite John (Krestyankin) confirmed this. After being liberated from the Nazis in Kiev, where Rus was baptized a thousand years ago, Zhukov ordered the clergy to serve the Lord a thanksgiving prayer. In the capital of Ukraine, the miraculous Herbovets icon of the Mother of God, which Marshal Zhukov recaptured from
      fascists.

      Read more: http://rus.ruvr.ru/2010/05/05/7376900/
      1. Magadan
        Magadan April 5 2014 08: 38
        +4
        This is not even a tradition among the people, but his own daughter speaks about it and his direct subordinates testify about it
      2. DMB-78
        DMB-78 April 5 2014 09: 18
        +2
        and I heard that when Moscow was in danger, the icon of the Kazan Mother of God was transported over Moscow by plane
        1. Jaros81
          Jaros81 April 5 2014 10: 09
          +3
          Not only over Moscow, but also over Stalingrad.
      3. Horde
        Horde April 5 2014 10: 11
        -1
        Quote: zzz
        And the fact that Orthodox churches and priests are being destroyed - do not touch too? Zhukov was a deeply religious person, and he defeated the Nazis with faith in God.
        The people preserved the tradition that Zhukov carried along the fronts the Kazan icon of the Mother of God.


        Zhukov whose wife was Jewish, was a deeply religious person? more than doubtful, about your "thugs" it would be good to remind you what the biggest TANK BATTLE in the Second World War, so this is not the Kursk Bulge or Prokhorovka, but the first days of the OAK war - up to 4 thousand tanks on both sides, including t34 and kv2 up to 800 units, ours had a MULTIPLE ADVANTAGE, but they managed to lose, and it was he who commanded the beetles, what was going on there, for some reason they do not spread much ...
        1. Jaros81
          Jaros81 April 5 2014 11: 08
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          Most likely they were introduced into battle in parts. This was .... But sometimes just "pearls" Russophobes are found. They say that Zhukov sent infantry armored vehicles forward to clear the anti-tank fields. And nothing that an anti-tank mine from an infantryman does not work?
        2. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov April 5 2014 11: 48
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          Quote: Horde
          beetles whose wife was Jewish, was a deeply religious person?

          Dear Horde (5) I always read you with pleasure, but something polemic has come up. I honestly am not a special fan of Zhukov, but to blame him for something on the basis of the Jewishness of his wife ???
          Thank you, until this day I was not interested in the battle of Dubno. From six sources I read the material and found no evidence of guilt in losing Zhukov in any place.
          Zhukov’s fault was that the troops did not act in a coordinated manner, each unit did not understand the general task.
          About the multiple advantage, if we take into account the dominance of the Germans in the air, it’s also somehow not very. So, in fact, this fight did not allow the Germans to immediately capture Kiev is a fact.
          1. Horde
            Horde April 5 2014 12: 04
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            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            Zhukov’s fault was that the troops did not act in a coordinated manner, each unit did not understand the general task.

            and who before the battle and during the battle should coordinate the Pushkin troops?

            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            The multiple advantage, given the dominance of the Germans in the air, is also somehow not very good. So, in fact, this fight did not allow the Germans to immediately capture Kiev is a fact.


            Yes, ours and the planes had a MULTIPLE ADVANTAGE before the war, who commanded so much that they burned all the planes? commanded, as it turns out again, beetles, but it’s just strange the beginning of the war and participation in these events, the beetles just HIDE ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 5 2014 12: 38
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              Quote: Horde
              Who so commanded that all planes were burned? commanded, as it turns out again, beetles, but it’s just strange the beginning of the war and participation in these events, the beetles just HIDE ...

              So open your eyes to everyone, write an article about the role of Zhukov in this battle, and we will read and evaluate ...
              1. Horde
                Horde April 5 2014 13: 43
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                Quote: svp67
                So open your eyes to everyone, write an article about the role of Zhukov in this battle, and we will read and evaluate ...


                Vladimir Chekmarev

                TANK ARMAGEDDON 1941

                If you gather Military historians from different countries at a round table and ask them a question about which tank battle was the greatest in the world, then the answers will be different ...
                The historian of the Soviet school, of course, will call the KURSK ARC, where the number of tanks and self-propelled guns according to averaged data was from the side of the Red Army - 3444, from the Wehrmacht - 2733 combat vehicles. (Although the numbers of different researchers are given with such a scatter that even averaging the velmi is not easy, we can only mention that even in our sources, our losses in tanks differ by 100%).
                The Israelite will say that it was the Doomsday War in October 1973. Then, on the Northern Front, 1200 Syrian tanks attacked 180 Israeli, and thus lost 800. And on the Southern Front, 500 Egyptian tanks fought against 240 IDF tanks. (The Egyptians were more fortunate than the Syrians, they lost only 200 tanks). Then hundreds of Iraqi cars arrived (according to some sources - up to 1500) and everything turned to its fullest. In total, during the conflict, the Israelis lost 810 units of armored vehicles, and Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Algeria and Cuba - 1775 vehicles. But, as I said above, the data in different sources are very different.

                Well, in real life, such a battle was on June 23-27, 1941 - in the area of ​​Dubno, Lutsk and Rivne, the largest tank battle in the history of the Wars took place. In this battle, six Soviet mechanized corps collided with a German tank group.
                This, indeed, was the largest tank battle in world history, lasting a week. More than four thousand tanks mixed up in a fiery whirlwind ... On the Brody-Rivne-Lutsk section, the Soviet 8th, 9th, 15th, 19th, 22nd and 4th mechanized corps and German 11th collided 13th, 14th, 16th and 9th Panzer Divisions.
                According to averaged data from various sources, the balance of forces was as follows ...
                RKKA:
                The 8th, 9th, 15th, 19th, 22nd corps included 33 KV-2, 136 KV-1, 48 T-35, 171 T-34, 2.415 T-26, OT -26, T-27, T-36, T-37, BT-5, BT-7. In total - 2.803 combat vehicles. [Military History Journal, N11, 1993]. West Brody, their flank was covered by the 4th mechanized corps, which was the most powerful of the then mechanized corps of the Red Army and the whole World. It was - 892 tanks, of which 89 KV-1 and 327 T-34. On June 24, the 8th Panzer Division (325 tanks, including 50 KV and 140 T-34 on June 22) was reassigned from its composition to the 15th mechanized corps.
                TOTAL: 3.695 tanks

                VERMAHT:
                In the 4 German tank divisions that make up the backbone of the Wehrmacht's tank group, there were 80 Pz-IV, 195 Pz-III (50mm), 89 Pz-III (37mm), 179 Pz-II, 42 BefPz. (Commander), and on June 28th The 9th German Panzer Division entered the battle, this is 20 Pz-IV, 60 Pz-III (50mm), 11 Pz-III (37mm), 32 Pz-II, 8 Pz-I, 12 Bef-Pz).
                TOTAL: 628 tanks
                By the way, Soviet tanks were mostly either no worse than German, or surpassed them with armor and caliber. In other matters, see the comparison chart below. Figures are given for the caliber of guns and frontal armor.



                This battle was preceded by the appointment on June 23, 1941, of Georgy Zhukov, a member of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command. It was precisely as a representative of the General Headquarters on the Southwestern Front that Army General G.K. Zhukov organized this counterattack. Moreover, his position was very convenient. On the one hand, he was a representative of the Headquarters and could give any order, and on the other, M.P. Kirponos, I.N. Muzychenko and M.I. Potapov were responsible for everything.

                http://vvoina1939-1945.ucoz.ru/forum/6-6-1
            2. antibanukurayza
              antibanukurayza April 5 2014 13: 25
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              Ehhh, my friend. No way you read it .... how is it there? AND! Suvorov the traitor? You throw this thing, good will not end.
              1. Horde
                Horde April 5 2014 13: 46
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                Quote: antibanukuraza
                Ehhh, my friend. No way you read it .... how is it there? AND! Suvorov the traitor? You throw this thing, good will not end.


                for you, of course, there is black and white, and of course you choose white, or maybe your eyes open sometimes?
                1. Horde
                  Horde April 5 2014 23: 08
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                  WELL WHAT A MINUS SHADOW CAN WHO GO OUT FOR HONEST FIGHT FROM THE SHADOW ?? quietly we can only give a shit?
                2. svp67
                  svp67 April 5 2014 23: 26
                  -1
                  Quote: Horde
                  This battle was preceded by the appointment on June 23, 1941, of Georgy Zhukov, a member of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command. It was precisely as a representative of the General Headquarters on the Southwestern Front that Army General G.K. Zhukov organized this counterattack. Moreover, his position was very convenient. On the one hand, he was a representative of the Headquarters and could give any order, and on the other, M.P. Kirponos, I.N. Muzychenko and M.I. Potapov were responsible for everything.

                  Do you imagine the distribution of responsibilities in the military hierarchy?
                  Yes, Zhukov could give an order and gave them, for example
                  Zhukov prepared Directives No. 2 (sent at 07:15) and No. 3 (sent at 23:50) of the People's Commissar of Defense (signed by Tymoshenko and Zhukov), which contained orders to repel the attacks of the German army “to collapse with all means and means” there where the enemy crossed the border, but the borders themselves did not cross (Directive No. 2) and to a decisive attack on German troops (Directive No. 3). The troops of the Western, North-Western, South-Western, Southern Fronts did not fulfill the tasks set in the Directives, because due to not being timely prepared for battle, the surprise of the attack, which caused our troops to often be in sleeping barracks, lost control of the troops, and the troops themselves randomly retreated, without showing organized resistance. The organized offensive of June 23-28 turned into a series of unsuccessful counterattacks that did not lead to the expected results. The troops of the Southwestern Front, where Zhukov himself was a representative of the General Headquarters since June 23, did not encircle the advancing groups, as suggested by the pre-war plans, although they managed to seriously slow down the advance of the German troops, using the significant advantage of the Soviet troops in armored vehicles, almost completely lost to end of June. The troops of the Western and North-Western fronts, which did not have a significant advantage over the German forces in forces and means, suffered serious losses when trying to launch counterattacks without achieving significant results, and the Western Front, which suffered the main blow with the forces of the German Army Group Center, was soon defeated.
                  And the reasons for our defeat are many, and not one Zhukov is to blame for this ...
                  1. Horde
                    Horde April 6 2014 09: 35
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                    Quote: svp67
                    And the reasons for our defeat are many, and not one Zhukov is to blame for this ...

                    enough to drive already with whom else to ask, if not from him ...
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 April 6 2014 11: 06
                      0
                      Quote: Horde
                      enough to drive already with whom else to ask, if not from him ...

                      Yes, the list is extensive: starting with Stalin, Tymoshenko .... and ending with platoon and squad commanders - who really didn’t teach their people ... People’s Commissars of Industry ... There’s a lot of guilt and many
                      Before the start of the attack, one hour was left, necessary only for movement to a new starting position. Upon the company’s arrival in the area of ​​new starting positions, the commander of the 554th Infantry Regiment, instead of giving detailed instructions on how the tanks would act with him, ordered: “Immediately come forward and go on the attack in this direction (pointed with your hand), otherwise the regiment is late with the attack. "

                      The company commander Gaisin demanded a more specific combat mission, to which the regiment commander replied: "If you do not want to attack, refuse, and I will report to the division commander." As a result of such leadership, the tanks operated without infantry. They approached the gouges and, finding nothing, returned back.


                      “To the equipment existing at STZ it is necessary to purchase machines of various types of 250–260 pcs ... Of the required 253 machines specified in the attached application, 23 machines were delivered to the plant. Orders were placed for 37 machines ... The program for the production of T-34 parts for the month of June, which was launched by the shops and signed by the chief engineer of the plant, is not being implemented, since it is not provided with the appropriate means of production, metal, etc. ... The delivery workshop (building) was ready in 1939 with crane runways equipped for the production of T-26 machines. With the change in the production facility, the following priority works are required: laying a brick wall, finishing the re-equipment of crane tracks and self-tugging, installing a conveyor belt and a minimum of 3-4 30-ton cranes ... Construction work has begun on a commissioning workshop (breaking the old foundations for the conveyor, laying a new foundation), but the work is slow. The required material ... is missing. From among the required 10 cranes ... the plant has an agreement with the plant to them. Kirov on delivery in the IV quarter of this year 2 cranes


                      Information on the losses of materiel of the 23th Panzer Division for the period from 22.6 to 13.7.41 of the year.

                      Explanatory note

                      Cars left in winter apartments:

                      15 T-26 tanks: 3 vehicles of the 45 tank regiment and 12 vehicles of the 144 tank regiment.

                      All of the above machines were awaiting average repairs, including 3 machines requiring major repairs.

                      Tank repairs were started, all parts and assemblies that were available in the division were replaced, the delay was due to the lack of engines, piston group, final drive bearings, final drive oil seals, cardan joint bearings, heating chambers and a number of other details, which were not available.


                      “To the Head of the Armored Directorate of the GABTU of the Red Army

                      The 14th tank regiment of the 15th division, which is armed with BT-7M tanks in the amount of 170 vehicles, does not have the ability to charge cylinders with compressed air due to the lack of a compressor. The same situation is obtained in 11 and 16 divisions.

                      I ask for your order to allocate 3 AKS-2 compressors to the District, in extreme cases, to borrow those for the first time through the control of the spacecraft air force.


                      It's time to add a new verse - "This is Zhukov's fault ..."
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 April 6 2014 11: 12
                        -1
                        “To the Chairman of the Economic Council under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR Molotov.

                        4 March 1941 city

                        On the issue of material and technical support of the order plan for camp workshops.

                        During 1939 – 40 NPO orders for the manufacture of camp workshops of type “A”, “B” and workshops of the army repair and restoration battalion (ARVB) are not executed due to poor provision of funds for the necessary equipment, tools and materials.

                        The issue of allocating funds to ensure the order plan for the 1941 camp workshops of the year still remains unresolved. The factories, in accordance with the instructions of their People’s Commissariats and Glavkov, refuse to sign contractual obligations with NPOs of the USSR, citing the lack of a Government decision on the material and technical support of the order.

                        Having a great need for marching repair equipment in the Red Army, I ask for your decision to provide material funds for the order of NPOs for repair shops along with basic defense orders.

                        Marshal of the Soviet Union S. Timoshenko

                        Chief of the General Staff K.A. Army General Zhukov.


                        To the head of the 1st armored control department GABTU KA

                        Comrade 1st rank military engineer Korobkov

                        November 29.1.1941, XNUMX

                        On the subject: tactical and technical data of new machines.

                        Due to the fact that new types of combat vehicles, in particular tanks, are being introduced into the armament of tank and mechanized units of the okrug, in practical work I feel a great difficulty due to the lack of any data on new brands of tanks.

                        The district’s operations department continuously requests a series of data on types for planning operations, the organizational department constantly addresses staffing issues, but does not have any data from the ABTU and, in particular, the maintenance and repair department.

                        I earnestly ask you to send to ABTU ZabVO brief data on new machines that characterize the tactical and technical parameters (KB, T-34, T-40, T-126, BA-11, I do not name the brand quite confidently).

                        Wreed of the head of the 3rd department of ABTU ZabVO

                        3rd rank military engineer Vershkov


                        .... As a result of such manning, at present in the units of the division entrusted to me there are hundreds of people who, by their physical condition, literacy and knowledge of the Russian language, are completely unsuitable for service in tank units and are actually ballast, namely:

                        Natives of nat. republics of non-Russian nationality - 1914 people or 23,2%. Of these, 236 people do not speak Russian at all.

                        There are 36 people of nationality not subject to deployment to the troops of the border districts (Germans, Poles, Greeks, Bulgarians, Turks, Czechs, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians).

                        13 people were demoted from junior commanders to privates by indiscipline.

                        Illiterate - 211 people, illiterate (1-2 groups and educational program) - 622 people. and with the formation of a 3-4 group - 3571 people, old ages - 26-30 years - 745 people, 341 people who were on trial and convicted, 137 relatives were repressed. Unsuitable for combat service at the conclusion of the garrison medical commission - 81 people. 418 people unsuitable for service in tank units and for combat service at the conclusion of a medical commission of a unit but not yet undergoing a garrison commission

                        The units that sent the rank and file to the division did not fulfill ... the requirements of the KOVO directive on the provision of clothing property ...
                        ... Commander of the 20th Panzer Division Colonel KATUKOV
                      2. svp67
                        svp67 April 6 2014 11: 19
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                        The staffing of radio communication units at the educational level in units of the division corresponds to the exception of the 12th artillery regiment, where the staffing was carried out formally. So in the platoon of the 1st Division for the training of radio operators, the Red Army soldiers of the 2nd year of service, who received the specialty in the army:

                        Red Army A. - telephone operator

                        Red Army V. - blacksmith

                        Red Army T. - cook

                        Red Army T. - Chauffeur

                        Red Army T. - fireman

                        all with the formation of grade 4.


                        “Junior command staff. The division is equipped with a junior command staff by 21%. Incomplete - 1910 people. The OV KOVO [156] was dressed up to cover the incomplete set, and the division received the rank and file of corporals from 10 and 15 tanks. divisions. The quality of the sent corporals is very low, the latter cannot fulfill the positions of junior command personnel both in their development and in training. Among the corporals sent: 211 non-Russian nationality poorly speaking the Russian language ... illiterate 7 people., illiterate 70 people ... unfit for military service 20 people. All the corporals sent are now being used as junior command personnel, but there is little benefit from them, since ordinary soldiers of the 1940 draft are better prepared than they are today. ”
                      3. svp67
                        svp67 April 6 2014 11: 19
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                        “15.7.41 in the area of ​​height 66.6 (MUILUSILTA) 8 tanks under the command of ml. lieutenant K. followed to the area of ​​the 7th rifle company of the 65th rifle regiment for further joint action. No intelligence or direct guard was sent. The company commander did not know the location of the enemy, as a result of which he went up to a distance of 70 meters from the front edge of the enemy’s defense, where the enemy’s anti-aircraft gun was shot at point-blank range. Lost 149 tanks ...

                        On 29.7.41, a company consisting of 16 T-26 tanks operated in the infantry support group with the 402nd Infantry Regiment of the 168th Infantry Division in the HARVIKONGOE area. The terrain allowed tanks to act only on the roads. The tanks, advancing in the forest, strayed from the direction - got lost. As a result of the battle, 8 tanks were left on the battlefield ...

                        On 17.8.41, the tank battalion operated jointly with the 953rd Rifle Regiment in the direction of Zailovets and Zhezhvannikovo. At about 4.00 in the vicinity of the headquarters of the 257th Infantry Division and the 953rd Infantry Regiment, the enemy group opened indiscriminate fire, apparently with the aim of creating panic and disrupting the regiment's offensive. The commander of the 257th Infantry Division ordered: “To liquidate this breakthrough by the forces of the tank battalion.” The tanks, having opened fire from a place in the dark and not seeing any target in front of them, later began to move in the direction of the bushes, which is 1 km north of Zailovets. Not finding any enemy in front of him, the commander of the tank battalion stopped the tanks for reconnaissance, and set the task of organizing interaction between the military branches. The regiment commander, who monitored the advance of the infantry and tanks, ordered: "Tanks immediately ahead, the enemy moves away." The tanks advanced another 800–1000 m, and without seeing any targets in front of them, the commander of the tank battalion again stopped the tanks for reconnaissance, but then he received an order from the division headquarters, transmitted through the commander of the regiment: “Tanks advance in the direction of Zhezvannikovo, the enemy retreats” . When leaving the bushes in a clean field, the tanks came under heavy fire from heavy machine guns [150] of the enemy, long-range artillery, and bombing of aircraft. Due to the strong air raid, all the fire weapons were silent and the tanks were left without support. Our losses from the fire of heavy machine guns of 5 tanks. From aviation bombing - 2 tanks ...

                        With the beginning of the offensive, sutra 18.8 consisting of 10 tanks, the battalion ... advanced to s. Veriavino. When moving tanks from s. Veryavino in with. Kazenki, the column was attacked by aircraft. There was no place for shelter nearby. There was still a way forward to the forest occupied by the enemy, and after an hour's drive in an open area, an enemy attack was carried out with 9 tanks (one tank was sent to the regiment commander for communication ...). Of the 9 tanks, 7 broke through to the enemy’s location, one was hit by an anti-tank gun and burned down near the village. Grigorovo, one fell into a funnel (the car commander was seriously wounded). The commissar of the battalion was in his tank with the commander of the battalion, Captain K., and bursting into the forest occupied by the enemy, they were shot from a distance of 30-40 meters with a PTO cannon. At the same time, the commander of the battalion, Captain K., was killed and a driver was injured, who by the morning of 19.8 passed through the enemy front line. The remaining 6 tanks were missing ”
                    2. Horde
                      Horde April 6 2014 12: 34
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                      The issue of allocating funds to ensure the order plan for the marching workshops of 1941 still remains unresolved.


                      The USSR is not America and the possibilities of industry were limited, do you not understand this?
                    3. svp67
                      svp67 April 6 2014 12: 41
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                      Quote: Horde
                      The USSR is not America and the possibilities of industry were limited, do you not understand this?

                      And Zhukov is to blame for this?
                      Or, at the end, you began to understand that the problem of our rout in 1941 was not only, or rather not so much in Zhukov, but in a number of reasons ...
                    4. Horde
                      Horde April 6 2014 13: 05
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                      Quote: svp67
                      And Zhukov is to blame for this?
                      Or, at the end, you began to understand that the problem of our rout in 1941 was not only, or rather not so much in Zhukov, but in a number of reasons ..


                      Your reasons for "no maintenance vehicles" are SECONDARY, not why they broke our mechanized corps, in general they were very UNPOSSIBLE. It looks like a betrayal of the top of the western, southwestern fronts and of course Zhukov.
                    5. svp67
                      svp67 April 6 2014 15: 11
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                      Quote: Horde
                      your reasons for "no maintenance vehicles" are SECONDARY

                      Have you served in the army? You TOTALLY have no concept of the use and organization of the vital functions of mechanized troops. To lead and organize the combat activity of troops is not a game to play a computer ...
                      This is what the lack of attention to "secondary" issues leads to - to thousands of abandoned and never fired at the enemy tanks ...



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            3. Horde
              Horde April 6 2014 12: 31
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              Quote: svp67
              Yes, the list is extensive: starting with Stalin, Tymoshenko .... and ending with platoon and squad commanders - who really didn’t teach their people ... People’s Commissars of Industry ... There’s a lot of guilt and many


              actually a conversation about Zhukov if you remember how Orthodox and beautiful he is, you somehow went the wrong way.
              In major battles, the demand is ALWAYS from the command, but it turns out that it was the beetles who ordered the CONRAUD.
              The USSR army was so HUGE, because then they were preparing a war with the whole West, and your attempts to blame it all on division commanders, regiments and companies cannot answer the MAIN question. HOW WITH SUCH EXCELLENCE THE RED ARMY LOSED?
              What is Stalin, what kind of Tymoshenko? they were all far away, but the beetles were just close and actually was COMMANDING the front. The answer is UNIQUENESS. By the way, after the war, Stalin removed this commander away, because he understood who the true culprit of the tragedy had begun the war.
            4. svp67
              svp67 April 6 2014 12: 44
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              Quote: Horde
              In major battles, the demand is ALWAYS from the command, but it turns out that it was the beetles who ordered the CONRAUD.

              The order was CORRECT. This is the only way we could defeat the enemy, and not without going into a blank defense and giving the enemy initiative, only imposing our will on the enemy can be defeated ... This is an axiom of tactics and strategy ... It was necessary to completely break the plans of the German troops ... For an hour, for a day. for a month...
              I also have many complaints about Zhukov, but this is due to the fact that I now have MUCH more complete information than he was at that time and I can’t just blame the person who did something in such a difficult environment to defend the Homeland. He did not scare or run, he tried to fight and forced all others to do it ...
            5. Horde
              Horde April 6 2014 13: 00
              0
              Quote: svp67
              The order was CORRECT. Only in this way could we defeat the enemy, and not without going into a blank defense and giving the enemy initiative


              no one argues with this, at that time no one was thinking about defense, only an attack, only rout in the territory of the enemy, this is first.
              You don’t understand something, they tell you 4 thousand of OUR tanks against 700 German tanks. With normal command, you could just crush the Germans, but it turned out the opposite. No army could withstand the fire of such a tank armada. Zhukov simply set up an army ...
            6. svp67
              svp67 April 6 2014 13: 13
              0
              Quote: Horde
              You don’t understand something, they tell you 4 thousand of OUR tanks against 700 German tanks. With normal command, you could just crush the Germans, but it turned out the opposite. No army could withstand the fire of such a tank armada. Zhukov simply set up an army ...

              So I understand, but you don't seem to be ... that having, as you say, 4 tanks, there is every chance of crushing the enemy troops, which, attention, DID NOT HAVE NOT ONE TANK AT THAT MOMENT, since the blow fell on the infantry units of the Germans ... This is a very, very difficult question. Let's start with him to answer at least with this question: "Why is it the French army, in which there was no repression, which had an advantage over the German in almost everything, which had time to prepare, suddenly lost outright ... but in just a month?"
            7. Horde
              Horde April 6 2014 13: 20
              0
              Quote: svp67
              DID NOT HAVE ANY ONE TANK AT THIS MOMENT,


              I’m actually talking about the tank battle near Dubno, and you mean that, just there the superiority of the spacecraft was overwhelming,
              about France we won’t have our reasons there ...
            8. svp67
              svp67 April 6 2014 13: 38
              0
              Quote: Horde
              I’m actually talking about the tank battle near Dubno, and you mean that, just there the superiority of the spacecraft was overwhelming,

              So it was everywhere like that, since the Red Army had more than 20000 tanks, against 3800 from the enemy ... and so, dig deeper ... There are many reasons for the defeat ...

              Quote: Horde
              about France we won’t have our reasons there ...

              Not understanding that both there and we have MANY reasons were the same and lead you to the wrong and too emotional conclusions
              Take and read at least this:
              http://www.loveread.ec/read_book.php?id=12566&p=1
              There are many numbers and "boring" documents, but without understanding this it is impossible to understand the reasons for our defeats ...
            9. Horde
              Horde April 6 2014 14: 16
              0
              Quote: svp67
              So it was everywhere like that, since the Red Army had more than 20000 tanks, against 3800 from the enemy ... and so, dig deeper ... There are many reasons for the defeat ...


              listen to sr67 talking in such a way it is counterproductive that you don’t really understand or pretend that DEMAND IS ALWAYS FROM THE COMMANDER, FROM THE PRESIDENT, FROM THE HEAD? over the years of industrialization, the country was able to create a WEST WEAPON - these are the T34 and KV tanks for the initial period of the war, the Germans had the worst TANKS and there were less that there was digging around picking their nose, as Putin says, COMMAND or complete incompetence, that they were lying or betraying ...
            10. svp67
              svp67 April 6 2014 15: 13
              0
              Quote: Horde
              DEMAND ALWAYS WITH THE COMMANDER, WITH THE PRESIDENT, WITH THE HEAD?

              You're right. So they asked Pavlov for "the complete collapse of their front", the strongest at that time. Remind me as asked? But the YuZF sponsored by Zhukov somehow did not fall apart, that's amazing ... Stop tearing out pages from the general history ...
            11. Horde
              Horde April 6 2014 18: 05
              0
              Quote: svp67
              But the sponsored Zhukov South-West Front didn’t fall apart, that's amazing ... Stop tearing pages out of the general story ...


              and the fact that the front was rolled back, huge territories and army depots were left, and all equipment was lost, and mass surrender of the Red Army was entrenched — is this what is called a BATTLE TO WIN?
              people like you talkers who pretend to be white for black need to be expelled from the media ...
            12. svp67
              svp67 April 6 2014 19: 03
              0
              Quote: Horde
              people like you talkers who pretend to be white for black need to be expelled from the media ...

              It’s ridiculous. What media are you going to expel me from? I am not a member of any publisher or other media organization in the state. A simple military pensioner ...
              Quote: Horde
              and the fact that the front was rolled back, huge territories and army depots were left, and all equipment was lost, and mass surrender of the Red Army was entrenched — is this what is called a BATTLE TO WIN?

              Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side ... It's about you.
              I do not urge that the border battles of 1941 be considered our victories, I urge you to show sanity and understand that:
              - not one Zhukov is guilty of this defeat,
              - Now, having all the information, we can of course act as judges, but we should not forget in what circumstances our forces were forced to make decisions and act ...
              - the army was forced to learn to fight in a modern way and again this study passed through blood ...
  • svp67
    svp67 April 5 2014 12: 37
    -1
    Quote: Horde
    It was he-bugs who commanded what was going on there, for some reason they did not spread much ...
    Are you sure? Zhukov at that time held the position of Chief of the General Staff and for all his talent, well, he couldn’t DIRECTLY lead these battles ...
  • vinc
    vinc April 5 2014 12: 55
    +1
    Zhukov a few months before the start of the war became the chief of the General Staff. Yes, I did not manage to do much before the war to strengthen the country's defense capability, but who would do more? And the 45th showed who is right, who is to blame. And your inferiority complexes will not change the attitude of millions to the Marshal of Victory. Moscow with its temples, a monument, history, with its spirit is our third Rome.
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  • Voinnet
    Voinnet April 5 2014 08: 04
    +1
    I understand everything, but such articles are not always good ... for some reason Gott mit uns reminds me of belt plaques ... let religion remain a religion, not a politics
    1. Magadan
      Magadan April 5 2014 08: 42
      +3
      Orthodoxy is not involved in politics. But there are difficult and dangerous times for the people when the Church will not stand aside. So it was at Kulikovo Field, during the Time of Troubles, during the invasions of Napoleon and Hitler. Now is also a time dangerous for our Historical Russia. Kievan Rus tramples the enemy even more dangerous, because This enemy is engaged in reformatting the consciousness of the descendants of Monomakh and Prince Vladimir, forcing them to believe that they are descendants of Bender, Mazep, etc. And in Kievan Rus now rule the Galicians, who in their time betrayed both Russia and Orthodoxy.
    2. radio operator
      radio operator April 5 2014 10: 48
      +1
      Quote: Voinnet
      I understand everything, but such articles are not always good ... for some reason Gott mit uns reminds me of belt plaques ... let religion remain a religion, not a politics

      Each has its own God.
      The article shows who worships Christ and who is Satan.
      Who chooses "freedom from obscurantism" and who honors traditional values
      1. does it
        does it April 5 2014 12: 41
        0
        Quote: radio operator
        The article shows who worships Christ and who is Satan.

        You need to pay taxes! As in Soviet times! 50-60 percent and do not dodge!
  • 094711601
    094711601 April 5 2014 08: 08
    +2
    It seems to me that it doesn’t matter, by and large, Catholics or Orthodox ... Another thing is important-- Christian values ​​in the heart, or just a declaration for the protocol ... Here they lose to us .... AND FURTHER from this ... They cannot oppose anything ... This is in the absence of!
  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru April 5 2014 08: 08
    +3
    Holy Prince Alexander Yaroslavich said: "God is not in power, but in truth ..."
  • Quantum
    Quantum April 5 2014 08: 10
    +6
    Yesterday, in the program of Solovyov, A. Prokhanov spoke in a dispute with the famous
    liberal. The topic of the dispute about the events in Ukraine, grew into a debate about the role
    Russia in world culture. Despite the ernish Solovyov, Prokhanov
    convincingly proved that Russia has a certain mission, which is exactly
    matches this article.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator April 5 2014 11: 16
      +1
      Quote: Quantum
      Yesterday, in the program of Solovyov, A. Prokhanov spoke in a dispute with the famous
      liberal. The topic of the dispute about the events in Ukraine, grew into a debate about the role
      Russia in world culture. Despite the ernish Solovyov, Prokhanov
      convincingly proved that Russia has a certain mission, which is exactly
      matches this article.

      Prokhanov is smart!
      He scored 6 times more points than the opponent.
  • Kapitänleutnant
    Kapitänleutnant April 5 2014 08: 19
    +7
    God with us! Russia is behind us! soldier
    1. radio operator
      radio operator April 5 2014 11: 49
      0
      Quote: Kapitänleutnant
      God with us! Russia is behind us!

  • sv68
    sv68 April 5 2014 08: 25
    +2
    The Lord said that his mission on earth is to protect all the disadvantaged and oppressed, real help to those in need is precisely what Russia is now doing. GOD AND DREAM GOD AND IN US
  • Mikl1977
    Mikl1977 April 5 2014 08: 30
    +2
    God is with us, understand, heathen, and repent: for God is with us.
    Hear to the last lands: how God is with us.
    Mighty, repent: for God is with us.
    As long as the packs are possible, and the packs of defeat you will: like God is with us.
    And even then you are counseling the council, the Lord will ruin: God is with us.
    And the word, even as you say it, will not abide in you: God is with us.
    But we won’t be afraid of your fear, we will be embarrassed below: God is with us.
    But the Lord our God, we will sanctify him, and he will be in fear for us: God is with us.
    And as soon as I hope in him, I will be for sanctification: God is with us.
    And I will trust in Him, and I will be saved by Him: for God is with us.
    Sez and children, even mi dada God: as God is with us.
    The people who walk in the form of video are the great light: God is with us.
    Living in the country and the shadow of death, the light will shine on you: God is with us.
    Like the Youth is born to us, the Son, and having given to us: God is with us.
    His boss is quick on His frame: God is with us.
    And His peace has no limits: God is with us.
    And the name of His great council angel is cursed: for God is with us.
    Wonderful Counselor: God is with us.
    God is strong, Ruler, Head of the world: God is with us.
    Father of the next century: God is with us.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator April 5 2014 11: 52
      0
      Quote: Mikl1977
      Wonderful Counselor: God is with us.
      God is strong, Ruler, Head of the world: God is with us.
      Father of the next century: God is with us.

  • desant_doktor
    desant_doktor April 5 2014 08: 40
    +5
    Guys, do not forget. Hope for God, and yourself ... comply with the rules of the TRP. We will win. Russia has always won in the end. But this also depends on us. He is unlikely to help if he sees that we don’t care. It seems to me that one should be worthy of His help.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator April 5 2014 12: 00
      0
      Quote: desant_doktor
      Guys, do not forget. Hope for God, and yourself ... comply with the rules of the TRP. We will win. Russia has always won in the end. But this also depends on us. He is unlikely to help if he sees that we don’t care. It seems to me that one should be worthy of His help.

      Of course!
      Christianity involves cooperation (synergy), the addition of the energies of man and God.
      "God cannot save us without us" (without our actions).
  • sanek0207
    sanek0207 April 5 2014 09: 19
    +5
    Our great-grandfathers, grandfathers went into battle and the first thing was: "For FAITH, FOR THE KING AND FOR THE FATHERLAND !!!" And they won! There is no king, okay, but a man "without a king in his head" is crazy! THEREFORE, THERE IS FAITH AND FATHERLAND !!!
  • DMB-78
    DMB-78 April 5 2014 09: 21
    +3
    the Germans during the Second World War on the plaques of belts had the inscription Gott mit uns. they violated all the laws of God, and the truth was behind us. that's why we won
    1. Jaros81
      Jaros81 April 5 2014 10: 13
      +2
      The Yankees also have a similar written on banknotes: In God we trust
      In different translations:
      We trust in God, in God we believe, there are still some.
      And the Masonic symbols themselves on the money ....
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 5 2014 11: 54
        +1
        Quote: Jaros81
        And the Masonic symbols themselves on the money ....

        Look at the 500 hryvnia banknote! There is not a word about God, but Masons ...
  • propolsky
    propolsky April 5 2014 09: 50
    +1
    It is not necessary to intervene in earthly affairs God, he will only deal with each separately in the final judgment, and before that he will wave so that everyone has enough for the very tomatoes!
  • combat66
    combat66 April 5 2014 10: 02
    +2
    Quote: Banshee
    It’s a pity I’m not in the Duma, I would also suggest introducing public corporal punishment in the form of flogging for such Tyutyunnikova and other snacks. With a show in the news.

    Public flogging - perhaps it will be too much! And here was the idea of ​​deprivation of citizenship, with all the flowing in and out. It will be worthy and instructive.
    By the way, has this Pushechnaya abomination already returned from the Baltic states? Your first candidates.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator April 5 2014 12: 03
      0
      Quote: combat66
      By the way, has this Pushechnaya abomination already returned from the Baltic states? Your first candidates.

  • Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv April 5 2014 10: 24
    +2
    I am pleased to put the article PLUS.
    Yes, this is not a lot of languid work.
    Yes, this is not a multi-page treatise.
    These are separate sketches of the thoughts of a normal person.
    Obviously, the person wrote in English.
    But for us, Russian speakers, everything is clear and understandable, accepted written by the soul and heart.
    It is clear and understandable, because everything is simple and from the heart.

    I want to give everyone this prayer -
    http://yadi.sk/d/wv3HVmQJLpoxo
  • w2000
    w2000 April 5 2014 10: 24
    -4
    Obscurantism grows stronger! There was a Soviet country, people believed in science, progress and a bright future. And now they believe in God and other medieval priest nonsense. Believing in God, soul, the underworld, and other anti-scientific Christian, Muslim and Jewish nonsense - the fate of slaves and uneducated, duped masses.
    “Civilization will reach its peak only on the day when the last stone of the last temple collapses on the head of the last priest”
    1. protopop
      protopop April 5 2014 11: 01
      +2
      SCIENCE PROVEN - GOD EXISTS! SEE 3rd LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS, ignoram ...
      1. Lelek
        Lelek April 5 2014 12: 33
        +2
        Do not remember GOD in vain. yes
    2. radio operator
      radio operator April 5 2014 12: 08
      +1
      Quote: w2000
      Obscurantism grows stronger! There was a Soviet country, people believed in science, progress and a bright future. And now they believe in God and other medieval priest nonsense.

      I dare to remind you that Stalin, in the difficult year for the country, in 1941, returned Orthodoxy from nonexistence.
      Do you think he is a stupid politician or a bad strategist?
      Or maybe you do not want to see something?
      1. Nyx
        Nyx April 6 2014 10: 04
        0
        In war, all means are good.
    3. antibanukurayza
      antibanukurayza April 5 2014 13: 35
      +1
      Yes, do not pay attention to this descendant of a monkey. It was his ancestors who wandered somewhere in the jungle, learned to hold a stick and dig roots. and there you look and spawn people. Externally, they are alike, but the brains remained monkeys! That would leave you alone in a boat in the middle of the ocean without anything and see how your science, technology and progress would save you
      1. Nyx
        Nyx April 6 2014 10: 05
        0
        Last of all, a certain Gd will help me in this situation.
        1. radio operator
          radio operator April 8 2014 09: 36
          0
          Quote: Nyx
          Last of all, a certain Gd will help me in this situation.

          But Stalin and Putin think differently.
          Maybe that's why they became great?
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 5 2014 10: 25
    0
    "You should not interfere with God where there is enough good police."
  • kocclissi
    kocclissi April 5 2014 10: 35
    +2
    God in each of us, in someone more, and in someone less and only on us, the carriers of God, depends whether He will turn his attention to our actions and actions or not! And religion is just a kind of provider, supposedly between us and God ! And it doesn’t matter what religion it is: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or some other faith .... the essence is one!
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 5 2014 10: 58
      0
      And what does the "provider" of all Russia think about it? laughing
  • Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv April 5 2014 10: 55
    +4
    Quote: w2000
    Obscurantism grows stronger! There was a Soviet country, people believed in science, progress and a bright future. And now they believe in God and other medieval priest nonsense. Believing in God, soul, the underworld, and other anti-scientific Christian, Muslim and Jewish nonsense - the fate of slaves and uneducated, duped masses.
    “Civilization will reach its peak only on the day when the last stone of the last temple collapses on the head of the last priest”


    Heh heh heh ...
    All people believe in God, even if they think they do not believe ...
  • Denis 60 rus
    Denis 60 rus April 5 2014 10: 55
    +2
    homo, lezbi.zoo and other non-normal sexes are living corpses of children, then in most cases they don’t have their own, which means there is no continuation of them.
  • mithridate
    mithridate April 5 2014 11: 13
    +1
    God must be in the soul
  • olegkrava
    olegkrava April 5 2014 11: 15
    +3
    And do not tell me why the Russian man calls you to God? Maybe swearing obscenities and he will not have anything for it.
    My answer is that the gay people and Americans consider themselves to be God's servants, and the Russian man considers himself a grandson of God. Therefore, a lot of things are forgiven him, since this is his own soul. And to the slaves and the attitude of rank, and therefore say Squalor. Geyropa was wretched and will remain her forever.
    A Russian person will always stand proudly, because GOD is behind his back and is keeping his child.
  • Ross
    Ross April 5 2014 12: 13
    +1
    Quote: Nuar
    Quote: atalef
    God does not choose - he is for everyone and for no one at the same time.
    it’s funny to hear from a Jew. But what about your Testament, God's chosen people, etc.

    All religions only share, and God is above any religion.
  • Polite dragon
    Polite dragon April 5 2014 12: 53
    0
    Komsomol Ticket 97823716
    issued by the Political Department of VIKI them. MOZH 2.03.89
  • Polite dragon
    Polite dragon April 5 2014 13: 01
    +1
    Over a strange spring wind blows
    Every day it’s more joyful to live,
    And no one in the world can
    It’s better to laugh and love us.

    But severely eyebrows we fool
    If the enemy wants to break us,
    Like a bride, we love one,
    We’ll take care of you like an affectionate mother.
  • ssf2257
    ssf2257 April 5 2014 13: 20
    +1
    Whose side is God on?
    The main thing is we are on his side.
    In distress, God forbid, in joy, glory to God.
  • Roman 57 rus
    Roman 57 rus April 5 2014 13: 31
    +1
    The city will not be destroyed as long as there is at least one righteous in it.
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought April 5 2014 15: 00
    0
    God is on the side of truth and justice, but otherwise he himself will show on whose side he is.
    1. Horde
      Horde April 5 2014 15: 07
      -3
      Quote: Thought Giant
      God is on the side of truth and justice, but otherwise he himself will show on whose side he is.


      some weak thought for the "giant of thought"
      the authorities lie to the people in a world of war and bloodshed and injustice, and God, as it is not on the side of justice, can he sleep?
  • polite people
    polite people April 5 2014 15: 21
    +1
    On the side of UKRAINE everything.
    On our nobody.
    God is on the side of JUSTICE.
    Justice is on the side of RUSSIA.
    So GOD is with us. yes
  • polite people
    polite people April 5 2014 15: 21
    0
    On the side of UKRAINE everything.
    On our nobody.
    God is on the side of JUSTICE.
    Justice is on the side of RUSSIA.
    So GOD is with us. yes
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya April 5 2014 17: 58
    +1
    Something you gentlemen have wisdom above the roof, or maybe you need to remember one truth: "If the Lord wants to punish someone, he deprives him of his reason!" Eh philosophers ...
  • Janus
    Janus April 5 2014 18: 16
    +1
    "Lord, we are gathered. With You until the end
    For the dear Earth, the planet Earth! "
  • nod739
    nod739 April 5 2014 23: 46
    0
    Quote: kvirit
    What happened to 6500 thousand years of Slavic history?

    almost everything burned down in fires - they were built of wood, stone was hardly used as unnecessary
    and then 6500 - this is only a period, it is believed that on that date -7522 years ago - there was a great victory with which they began to consider a new era, but people lived before that, all these mounds in the Urals, Arias ....
    chariot, kolobok, wheel, calendar, cleaver, bell, ring, koleidoscope, well, kalach, kolobrod, ... don't you find what is common - a circle, but the root is "stake"?
    it is believed that the Greeks invented the calendar, but it seems to me that those who came there from the south of the Urals taught the Greeks, although maybe to the south, but the Indians say that their ancestors are from the north, and they have preserved their temples so far - there are Aryan temples in India, not speaking of their oldest knowledge of the world, Sanskrit is an ancient language .. but who went west and founded civilization there - lost (forgot? intentionally?) their roots (which, by the way, does Ukraine right now)
  • Nyx
    Nyx April 6 2014 08: 56
    0
    Oh oh oh. When talking about God's truth begins, I check my pockets. I, of course, support our current foreign policy, but I really do not like all this exhortation with the upcoming abortion bans and other things. For the preservation of the secular state, he is even ready to kill people on some "Maidan" in Moscow.
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