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Measures of mistrust. NATO punishes itself but not us

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The program of cooperation of the Russian Federation with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (Northern Atlantic Treaty Organization - NATO) was originally called confidence-building measures. To include the Russian Federation in its membership (this was proposed by Presidents Yeltsin and Putin - although, perhaps for various reasons), NATO refused. In relation to other post-Soviet countries, cooperation programs with NATO were initially proclaimed as part of measures to prepare their future membership in NATO. With regard to the Russian Federation, where the possibility of NATO membership was not originally envisaged, the development of mutual trust was announced as the meaning of cooperation programs - on the one hand, the Russian Federation was less afraid of an aggressive bloc (NATO constantly asserts that it was created only for self-defense, but in practice more than once it was possible to attack and never defend), but on the other hand, this bloc itself was less afraid of unpredictable Russians.


Measures of mistrust. NATO punishes itself but not us


Therefore, this very program of cooperation between NATO and the Russian Federation was markedly different from the programs of cooperation for other post-Soviet republics. Those received much more opportunities to participate in military exercises with NATO - however, on the territory of these republics. For example, NATO exercises are held annually at Ukrainian test sites (and each year the Supreme Council of Ukraine adopts a special law on the presence of foreign troops in the republic), but as far as I know, let’s say that Ukrainian troops are not invited to Poland, Hungary or Hungary. In the Russian Federation, as far as I know, the exercises with the participation of NATO troops were held much less than in the same Ukraine. Yes, and the military personnel of the Russian Federation, trained in NATO military academies, far less than the Ukrainian. But the exchange of information about the exercises held independently of each other is incomparably more active - for the exercises of the Russian Federation themselves, even in the worst years, conducted much more than Ukraine.

But as far as I can tell, the stated goal - the development of confidence-building measures - is ultimately not achieved. Moreover, it has not been achieved mainly as a result of the activities of just the NATO countries: it is difficult to trust anyone who can at any moment organize a coup at your side.

Therefore, it seems to me: we would not have suffered any substantial damage from the termination of this cooperation - even if it were terminated altogether, so to speak, on level ground. And now, when the NATO countries are proving their unwillingness to take into account the interests of the Russian Federation in any way, the termination of cooperation will have nothing at all but good for us.

Moreover, it seems to me: the termination of cooperation will be to some extent useful for NATO. After all, getting rid of illusions helps to heal the mind. NATO still believes that the program of confidence-building measures (and many other equally beautiful words) will be able to tame the Russian bear - and if you’re lucky, you’ll achieve that he will voluntarily remove his skin and give it to the carpet for the NATO hallway. I think this illusion is dangerous enough for the mental health of those who nourish it.
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  1. rrrd
    rrrd April 5 2014 08: 02
    +16
    NATO initially as far as my memory serves, 46 was created. against the USSR!
    1. SHILO
      SHILO April 5 2014 09: 57
      +15
      Quote: rrrd
      NATO initially as far as my memory serves, 46 was created. against the USSR!


      In general, it is useful to call a spade a spade. Why play the fool calling an outspoken enemy a partner? I understand diplomacy there, but its time is clearly passing.
      1. GHG
        GHG April 5 2014 12: 06
        +4
        And yet the dog is buried ... The counterweight to NATO AND the USSR, the USSR is no longer celebrated, the policy is the same ... WE are to blame for everything. They are both on the BB and on us, but we have changed a little. One is not enough for them ... THIS DOES NOT DESTROY. The whole NATO policy is based on lies and lies.
        1. Yuri Y.
          Yuri Y. April 5 2014 12: 59
          +1
          Quote: rrrd
          NATO initially as far as my memory serves, 46 was created. against the USSR!

          In the opinion of many, NATO is already stagnant from nothing to do, from the absence of a serious enemy. And now they will start up, like "aha the enemy that is!". NATO, although it was created from the penetration of the USSR into Europe, but ultimately from the penetration of Russia. Everyone understands that she was just red.
          1. does it
            does it April 6 2014 14: 31
            +2
            In the opinion of many, NATO is already stagnant from nothing to do, from the absence of a serious enemy. And now they will start up, like "aha the enemy that is
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 April 5 2014 13: 29
          +6
          Quote: GES
          The counterweight to NATO AND the USSR, the USSR is no longer celebrated, the policy is the same ... WE are to blame for everything. They are both on the BB and us

          Somewhere like that ...

          So "It seems to me that we are on the verge of a grandiose nix ... (c)"
          And Shuher really promises to be grand.
      2. AVV
        AVV April 5 2014 13: 36
        +4
        Quote: SHILO
        Quote: rrrd
        NATO initially as far as my memory serves, 46 was created. against the USSR!


        In general, it is useful to call a spade a spade. Why play the fool calling an outspoken enemy a partner? I understand diplomacy there, but its time is clearly passing.

        Blue partners, by definition, can only be among themselves but not with our country, even the EU flag is a blue flag, which says a lot about who runs this entity !!! Therefore, all that NATO and the EU want is subordinate to blue mold, and agree on mold anything will be more expensive !!!
    2. Commander
      Commander April 5 2014 14: 07
      +4
      I liked that Lavrov recently said to NATO that the CSTO does not want confrontations with any bloc. That is, he reminded that Russia is not alone and it also has many allies!
  2. major071
    major071 April 5 2014 08: 03
    +20
    To this day, NATO believes that the program of confidence-building measures (and many other equally beautiful words) will manage to tame the Russian bear - and if you are lucky, then ensure that he voluntarily takes off his skin and puts it on the carpet for the NATO entrance hall.

    Come on. They're used to seeing a bear only in a zoo and circus. Do you want to see the wild evil? Now you see, there was nothing to wake up! laughing
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 April 5 2014 09: 01
      +17
      Europeans have entered NATO, to be safe from the USSR, now they have to fight with Russia, and they do not have consumables in the person of al-Qaeda. They will have to create for themselves such an army, with whose hands they will indirectly fight with us.
      How long! ???????????? !!!!!!! Why would we not create and support some kind of movement in the West, that they will create internal problems from which they will not be under pressure on others?
      1. Berkut-UA
        Berkut-UA April 5 2014 11: 49
        0
        put rockets back to Cuba again?
        1. aleks77
          aleks77 April 5 2014 15: 26
          +2
          In response to missile defense at its borders.
    2. nokki
      nokki April 5 2014 10: 12
      +9
      Come on. They're used to seeing a bear only in a zoo and circus. Do you want to see the wild evil? Now you see, there was nothing to wake up!



      Anecdote (maybe not the topic).

      In Denali National Park in Alaska, American tourists roam serene. Enjoy nature, take pictures against the background of America’s highest peak - McKinley ...
      Suddenly, two Russian paratroopers tearing out from the bushes with a bang, carrying a huge bear carcass on a pole. Tourists are in shock. Finally, there is one daredevil who in a babbling voice asks:
      -This is a grizzly? (Is it a grizzly?)
      The paratrooper looks at the Yankees in bewilderment:
      - Gnawed? To hell? It’s just ... They strangled it slightly with hands. Right now we’ll get a barbecue for the boys!
      1. old man 72
        old man 72 April 5 2014 23: 57
        +3
        Thank !!! He laughed heartily! So, if necessary, we will blow them out with our hands a little, and then we’ll kill the kebabs, and we’ll drink their grams for the peace of our souls.
      2. old man 72
        old man 72 April 5 2014 23: 57
        0
        Thank !!! He laughed heartily! So, if necessary, we will blow them out with our hands a little, and then we’ll kill the kebabs, and we’ll drink their grams for the peace of our souls.
  3. Chifka
    Chifka April 5 2014 08: 04
    +9
    And rightly so, that we break with NATO. For joining a homosexual club in order to develop confidence-building measures for homosexuals is somehow homosexual ... It's time to get out of there, and shut the door behind you.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator April 5 2014 09: 30
      +24
      Quote: Chifka
      And rightly so, that we break with NATO. For joining a homosexual club in order to develop confidence-building measures for homosexuals is somehow homosexual ... It's time to get out of there, and shut the door behind you.

      I think that it’s not worth worrying because of this.
      Forced "friendship", forced smiles and spitting on the back are not cooperation.
      We are clearly out of the way.
      1. Bobxnumx
        Bobxnumx April 5 2014 09: 48
        +1
        The photo shows that NATO is triumphant, we do not need this.
      2. waisson
        waisson April 5 2014 20: 09
        +1
        warriors fucking
  4. Mihail177
    Mihail177 April 5 2014 08: 08
    +8
    ... it’s hard to trust someone (NATO) who can organize a coup d'etat at your side at any time.
    Well, yes, more and more trust ... after each coup.
    1. olegglin
      olegglin April 5 2014 12: 50
      +5
      Putin showed that he can be very loud in silence.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 April 5 2014 14: 20
      +9
      Quote: Michael177
      Well, yes, more and more trust ... after each coup.


      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 April 5 2014 15: 27
        +5
        As the Yusovites themselves say, "words are cheap, and whiskey costs money." So all sorts of western blabblabla is all lyrics. Only "dry residue" matters. And this is where misunderstandings begin. Either they are idiots (which, however, is doubtful), then they are holding us for idiots (this, in my opinion, is closer to the truth). It's a shame somehow and the hands themselves clench into fists ...
  5. zzzeka
    zzzeka April 5 2014 08: 23
    +8
    NORTH, and even the Atlantic Union ... think about where the north of the Atlantic is and what kind of heera he is doing here at our side?
  6. Kazakh
    Kazakh April 5 2014 08: 25
    +7
    the stated goal - the development of confidence-building measures - was ultimately not achieved.
    The stated goal did not correspond to the real one. In fact, it is just supervision of (these Russians) The same joint exercises, mainly for intelligence purposes, but not for the exchange of experience.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator April 5 2014 09: 34
      +5
      Quote: Kazakh
      The stated goal did not correspond to the real one. In fact, it is just supervision of (these Russians) The same joint exercises, mainly for intelligence purposes, but not for the exchange of experience.

      During the same exercises, we had to endure their antics. And a nice smile.
      1. waisson
        waisson April 5 2014 20: 11
        +2
        and this is patriotism
  7. Name
    Name April 5 2014 08: 27
    +11
    Oyy-ts .... distrust .... so .... from ALASKA:
    1. Fanat1984
      Fanat1984 April 5 2014 22: 45
      +1
      Alaska - this is understandable, there is also Hawaii there !!!

      https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/referendum-hawaii/PSVLwTrm
  8. jamalena
    jamalena April 5 2014 08: 36
    +9
    Enemy image in NATO? With whom will they then scare their taxpayers? We have always been and will be the "Evil Empire" for them, just as they are for us and the rest of the world.
  9. bear
    bear April 5 2014 09: 17
    +2
    Well, nah .. this NATA is needed.
    1. olegkrava
      olegkrava April 5 2014 10: 24
      +1
      This NATU must have. Well, in the sense of a prostitute.
  10. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich April 5 2014 09: 29
    +4
    In order to understand the true intentions of any organization, you need to understand why it was created. we all know what NATO was created for. With the disappearance of the geopolitical enemy, the organization did not cease to exist. The question arises: Gentlemen, would you please explain yourself in this problem? A search for new enemies and verbiage begins. As a result, over two decades of NATO's borders near Moscow, there is a constant increase in "members". Again, the question is: did not the previous adversary remain an enemy of NATO, whose name simply changed? Consequently, the explanations for NATO's existence were deceitful ... But given the exceptional deceit and hypocrisy of the West in general over the past decades, one should not be surprised. The last question: it is not time to call everything by its proper names and conduct a policy in accordance with real threats from NATO, but not declared?
  11. ZU-23
    ZU-23 April 5 2014 09: 48
    0
    Yes, the Nato cooperative suffers a specific fiasco, they won’t just keep such a sharaba, they need to act, and how is it an eternal question, until this issue is resolved and it is resolved, they will continue to mediocrely support their office, plus an army terrorists need to be fed. The same case as Obama climbed a Syrian tree, and Putin gave him a ladder laughingand NATO climbed a tree.
  12. Arkan
    Arkan April 5 2014 09: 52
    +12
    it’s hard to trust someone who can organize a coup d'etat at your side at any moment.


    We must completely discard all doubts and do what is necessary to protect Russia's interests.
    1. Skifo
      Skifo April 5 2014 21: 41
      +1
      superr! A worthy embodiment of the Russian soul! And what can Americans draw? comics with the image of a fictional superman duck ?!
  13. sv68
    sv68 April 5 2014 10: 16
    +6
    this pseudo partnership didn’t give a damn good to Russia — they just drove with inspections spies checked our army — you don’t need such friends for nothing — let us partner with each other and we will be on our own
  14. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 5 2014 11: 02
    +2
    If NATO is such a "peace-loving" military bloc, what prevents Russia from being admitted ..? They don't want to, they understand Russia will dictate its own terms ... And so Russia is the eternal enemy ... with whom you can constantly frighten
  15. konvalval
    konvalval April 5 2014 11: 32
    +1
    Article plus clearly. We will not lose anything substantial. They all went to their NATO.
  16. fedorovith
    fedorovith April 5 2014 11: 47
    0
    Bravo, Anatoly Wasserman, as always, is brief and understandable.
  17. bandabas
    bandabas April 5 2014 13: 14
    +1
    Everything is done simply. They begin to lead the state, the economy, the social sphere, and so on again (namely, to lead, and not to push decisions and responsibility on each other and lower subordinate personnel). Now literally all the leaders "voice" (and are not responsible for anything) - I hate this word. It is necessary to "Talk". And NATO .. ​​We have the richest country on Earth.
  18. zinander
    zinander April 5 2014 14: 54
    +4
    How cunning all the same are these Anglo-Saxons and their court dogs. We are stopping your cooperation in everything except the transshipment base in Ulyanovsk ??? nasa echoes ... in space we are imposing sanctions against Russia, but only besides cooperation on the ISS. What kind of kindergarten? No so no .... let bamboo smoke !!!
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 April 5 2014 15: 34
      +2
      Yeah. Got some foolishness to say "A", look for the courage to blow "B". And then all their cunning polish "how to punish Rush so that he does not sprinkle with recoil?" And it takes political will to give back. I really hope that ours have full pockets. Amen.
  19. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer April 5 2014 20: 16
    +4
    What the hell is the partnership. After the collapse of the USSR and a bunch of promises: the Warsaw Pact countries - to NATO, the Baltic states - to NATO, Georgia is trying to substitute one place - if only they took it, now Ukraine is babbling something about this.
    Enemies - they are enemies, no matter what they say and whatever contracts they conclude with us. But the NATO alliance is false, there is no discipline. According to the charter, there is universal support by all for the actions of one country, but in practice, everyone looks back apprehensively at Russia. In which case they will leave one on one with our army, who the hell will anyone support. Fiction.
  20. Santor
    Santor April 5 2014 20: 47
    +1
    but comment, fresh look from Germany

    1. Fanat1984
      Fanat1984 April 5 2014 23: 28
      0
      Already, probably, it is time to introduce the concept of the 2nd Cold War !!! am
  21. Santor
    Santor April 5 2014 20: 56
    +4
    Ukrainians would see a glance from Europe

    1. Fanat1984
      Fanat1984 April 5 2014 23: 28
      +1
      And who would show them IT ... sad
  22. komel
    komel April 6 2014 01: 03
    +1
    CSTO countries ready to develop cooperation with Afghanistan bypassing NATO

    MOSCOW, April 3. A meeting of the CSTO Council of Foreign Ministers (CMFA) was held in Moscow on Thursday, one of the important topics on the agenda of which was the situation in Afghanistan and the region in the context of new challenges.

    The parties decided to establish direct contacts with Afghanistan in the field of security, both with the central government and at the border level. The proposal to assist the Islamic Republic with the participation of China, as well as in the framework of the SCO, was supported.

    The reduction in practical cooperation between Russia and NATO is a serious concern for the countries of the region and international organizations.
  23. mig31
    mig31 April 6 2014 11: 28
    +2
    There is no more international law, there is the right of impudence, strength, the right to be disenfranchised of large and small nations, but what about the "law-makers", America and NATO? Their right, they will be destroyed, so in world history, many hegemons have finished, and these are not exceptions, and we will be witnesses of that ...
    1. Vladimir 23rus
      Vladimir 23rus April 7 2014 11: 58
      0
      "There is no more international law, there is the right of impudence, force" are signs of a BIG war.
  24. sablezub81
    sablezub81 April 7 2014 00: 18
    0
    It is not possible to be too right, turn around and become left! What we observe with decaying European and sowing. American countries. In Russian culture, for example, there are no vague floors; everything is as it should be and correctly. Many ancient cultures decomposed and eventually relaxed too much and became extinct. We are waiting for the line of Western countries.
  25. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 7 2014 03: 34
    0
    If Russia is penetrated into NATO, then we must look for a new enemy, against whom a bloc has been created! repeat
  26. brainkiller
    brainkiller April 7 2014 11: 25
    0
    I know hundreds of ways to pull
    Russian bear from the den, but not
    one to drive him back.
    © one notorious German =)
  27. mackonya
    mackonya April 7 2014 13: 45
    0
    The North Atlantic Alliance was created to counter the threat of "Eastern Blitzkrieg" from the USSR, and of course the Warsaw Pact was signed by the USSR countries to confront NATO itself. But the USSR no longer exists as a subject, but the threat remains, and NATO will always be, and of course against Russia. Only now the threat of "Eastern Blitzkrieg" is in the minds of NATO generals, and in the minds of a person it is much more difficult to create a warring bloc.