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Why the US is not interested in the collapse of oil prices

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Why the US is not interested in the collapse of oil prices



Barack Obama’s visit to Saudi Arabia spawned a host of rumors and speculations.

Everyone is confident that the US president went to Riyadh to negotiate that Saudi Arabia sharply increased hydrocarbon production. This should lead to a decrease in world oil prices and the destruction of the Russian economy. And therefore, when Barack Obama himself and other officials say that during the business trip, the topics of the political situation in the Middle East were discussed, no one believes him. The commonplace is appeals to stories 1980, when, according to many conspiracy theorists, the United States in collusion with Saudi Arabia collapsed oil prices, which led to the beginning of perestroika and the fall of the Soviet Union.

In fact, not everything is so simple with the restructuring, and with Saudi Arabia. But let us begin with the most important thing: those who believe in the possibility of such a collapse in oil prices by preliminary agreement between Washington and Riyadh, absolutely do not understand how oil prices are formed today and what is the nature of these prices. These people are stuck in the 1970's or, at best, in the early 1980's.

Today, oil prices are not determined by the proposal.

The fact is that after the second “oil shock” of 1979, caused by the revolution in Iran, when prices jumped above $ 100 in terms of the modern course, the United States realized that they could not be dependent on Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern manufacturers. And in 1983, they launched an oil trading system. Gradually, oil prices began to be determined on the stock exchange, despite the fact that huge financial resources of investment, pension and other American funds came there. Today, the main feature of the oil market is the dominance of oil futures, and these are transactions that are not communicated before execution. That is, the price is determined by the demand for paper oil, and not for physical oil. This means that bids influence prices very indirectly. Please note that now no one even watches OPEC meetings, but earlier, in 1980-1990, any OPEC meeting caused excitement. Today everything is completely wrong.

Therefore, to the question of whether the United States can bring down oil prices, I will answer: “Naturally, they can.” Do I need to go to Saudi Arabia for this? No need at all. To do this, you can simply put restrictions on the flow of dollars to the oil exchange, to ensure the outflow of capital. It is necessary that the money be taken from oil futures and let them go to other markets, and oil will begin to fall instantly. Thus, no need for any conspiracy, to negotiate and promise something to the Saudis. The United States can crush oil prices on its own. This is the first moment.
The second important point is that such a US scenario is completely unnecessary. Why? There are several arguments.

Argument One: Now in the United States there is a boom in the production of shale oil, which is devouring shale gas. Equipment is transferred from gas production to oil production. In the United States, there are serious problems with the production of dry gas. But for some reason, LNG export theorists from America for some reason do not pay any attention. In addition, shale oil production projects are very expensive at cost, and if prices drop below $ 80 per barrel, they will all burst. As, by the way, it was with shale gas. This is also an important point, because now the cost of production is high, and prices for Henry Hab (the center of spot and futures trading in natural gas in the US) are rather low. And it beats, naturally, on investment in shale projects. The United States wants by the end of the decade to become independent of oil Middle Eastern monarchies. For this price should now be high. If prices start to fall, it will bury hopes for an oil shale boom. This is the most important argument. If there is no oil boom, then again, dependence on imports and on oil prices will remain. That's when the US will come to self-sufficiency, then you can already think about some kind of price games. But not today.

If prices start to fall, it will bury hopes for oil shale boom

The second point is that now China is suffering more from high oil prices. China dramatically increases imports, and it hits on its economy. Americans have a safety cushion, and they calmly maintain the price of $ 100 per barrel. And the Chinese economy is overburdened by these prices. Let's be frank: the main geopolitical opponent of the United States today is not Russia, but China. And strategically, the US needs to think about how to weaken China, not Russia.

Well, and finally, an important point related to the same Middle Eastern monarchies. Serious chaos reigns in the Middle East today, and it’s not easy to reach an agreement with the Saudis because they are annoyed by the United States policy on Iran. It seems to them that the USA has gone over to the enemy camp. The conflict between Saudi Arabia and Iran is known. And by the way, I am therefore confident that Obama is not being cunning, saying that the main topic of the talks in Riyadh was the political situation in the region.

Saudi Arabia is unhappy with Iran’s return to world politics and the lifting of sanctions. Discontent leads to a split in the Sunni anti-Iranian coalition. In any case, there is a difficult relationship between Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The United States needs to reconcile them. And if now Washington starts to play on the decline in oil prices, it will cause fury in Saudi Arabia, which is not ready to reduce the cost of oil. There are a huge number of social problems, primarily related to non-citizens who perform all the hard work, including in the oil sector. This requires money, and the costs of Saudi Arabia are growing. Riyadh needs expensive oil, and it will consider measures to support prices rather than reduce them. Therefore, it would be rather strange to come there with such plans. On the contrary, now the United States would have to reassure its partners in the Middle East, because the Iranian game of the United States does not satisfy them.

By the way, it would be nice to understand the beginning of 1980 of the year with the conspiracy. It was not as simple as many write. In fact, Saudi Arabia began to sharply roll off mining in the beginning of the decade, not in the middle of 1980, as many people think.

Then three factors coincided. After the “oil shock” of 1979, prices began to decline. This is the first.

The second factor is that Britain was preparing to launch new fields in the North Sea at full steam, and Saudi Arabia knew this.
The third factor is that America started trading in oil futures. And this already led to changes in the oil trade. The USA was able to change the price of oil without taking into account the supply factor. Saudi Arabia has gone on a completely huge reduction in production. The fall began with the 1982 of the year. And if we take the 1980 – 1981 production level and compare it with the 1985 production level of the year, we’ll be interested to see that Saudi Arabia has removed 330 million tons from the market. This is a fantastic figure, of course. But the UK for the first half of 1980, increased production by about 40 million tons. This, of course, is not much, but it had an important psychological significance, because the Western world showed that it has some hidden potential, although it was limited to oil from the North Sea. But it is important that this oil then hit the market. So, we can say that Saudi Arabia for the entire first half of 1980 of the year played on the side of the Soviet Union, reducing production, she was trying to save prices. And only when this was not possible, indeed, in 1986, mining began to grow and then relatively stabilized. Back in 1988, there was a relative increase. But if we compare the level of production of 1981 of the year and the level of production of 1988 of the year, then we will find with interest that the difference still amounted to 235 million tons in favor of the year's 1981.

Thus, if we are talking about the whole year about 1980, Saudi Arabia has removed most of the oil from the market. Therefore, all this popular conspiracy is not quite correct. Conclusion: it is necessary to learn the lessons of history better and study the realities of the oil market more thoroughly.
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  1. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 5 2014 16: 03
    +47
    sharply reduced hydrocarbon production. This should lead to a decrease in world oil prices and the destruction of the Russian economy.

    So I feel so stupid again. Of course, I am not an economist, but I understand that in this case, as described above, oil prices will jump up. Is not it so?
    Or is it like in an old joke: oil rises in price - gas rises in price as a result, oil rises in price - gas rises in price to compensate for losses in oil production, oil price is stable - gas rises in price due to inflation.
    1. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 5 2014 16: 17
      +11
      So I feel so stupid again. Of course, I am not an economist, but I understand that in this case, as described above, oil prices will jump up. Is not it so?
      Or is it like in an old joke: oil rises in price - gas rises in price as a result, oil rises in price - gas rises in price to compensate for losses in oil production, oil price is stable - gas rises in price due to inflation.
      when production decreases demand increases the price rises, but here it is written the opposite.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz April 5 2014 16: 23
        +5
        when production decreases demand increases the price rises, but here it is written the opposite

        Here I am about that. Recently, it seems that some American senator suggested that Monkey sell all the oil refinery of American oil in order to hit the Russian economy. True, in this case it makes them very dependent on oil supplies from abroad ... But anything can happen to a tanker in the ocean winked
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov April 5 2014 16: 40
          +6
          Saudi Arabia is unhappy with the return of Iran to world politics and the lifting of sanctions.
          We have almost reached an agreement with Iran ..! It's about the collapse .. (as we are threatened ..) Iran held out for a long time! (experience) It's time to pull the "sacred cow" ..))) And with Iran, we will do it very well ..))
          1. Ataman
            Ataman April 5 2014 17: 35
            +27
            Something a lot today delusional articles!
            Oil is in short supply in the world, otherwise it would not be called "black gold" but "donkey piss". The price of oil has ALWAYS been determined by the OPEC countries (albeit with an eye on the United States), and the Soviet Union and now Russia have always brought down this price.
            In addition, you need to consider that for the processing of light Arab and heavy Siberian oil, different technologies are needed. This ties the processor to the supplier.
            Shale oil tales, like shale gas tales, are just an attempt by buyers to bring down the price. What is happening on the exchange, absolutely does not care either sellers or end customers.
            And in general, it's time to sell oil only for rubles!
            1. Alexei
              Alexei April 5 2014 18: 08
              +4
              Quote: Ataman
              In addition, it should be borne in mind that for the processing of light Arab and heavy Siberian oil, different technologies are needed.

              You can even drive on Arab oil, though you’ll ruin the engine. Recycling it is cheaper than ours. Therefore, our gasoline is more expensive, and the price for it is not jumping due to processing difficulties, but based on the capabilities of consumers.
            2. 31231
              31231 April 5 2014 18: 29
              +2
              Totally agree with you. The author of the article smoked something Dutch. He didn’t even give figures for analytics, it’s completely demagogy. On the other hand, what can we expect from a humanitarian boltologist ?! It would be better if they interviewed Sechin or Miler on this subject.
              1. skifd
                skifd April 5 2014 18: 58
                +2
                Quote: 31231
                It would be better to interview Sechin


                There is an interesting article:

                "Boomerang named after Sechin"

                "The most important thing now is not happening in Ukraine. The most important thing is now happening in Moscow. Putin's team is seriously going to" set fire to the dollar "

                "Recently, Sechin launched a bomb - an international gas exchange project without dollars."

                It is very useful to read, there are many links, but there are also many "bukav". But I advise.

                http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com/15961.html
                1. 31231
                  31231 April 5 2014 23: 51
                  +3
                  I had read. My attitude? The dollar does not catch fire, the maximum will fade.
            3. skymit
              skymit April 5 2014 23: 25
              +4
              Russia cannot bring down the price; it very much depends on this price. As for OPEC, the article in black and white describes how the Americans with a flick of the hand took control of oil prices. This is pure truth and generally very American (it is more correct to say in Hebrew, but this is so clear). With the financial system, the same thing - the Americans (or rather, the bankers from the Fed) actually control the global financial system. They set the rules. Therefore, all other countries with a similar ratio of external debt to GDP are problematic and are in a fever, but everything is fine in the USA.
              As for trading for rubles, this is populism. They trade for the currency for which they want to buy. Or they give a discount on conversion (not to mention currency risks). Here cause and effect are confused. It is believed that the ruble will become "stronger" if we start selling oil and weapons for rubles, but in fact the ruble FIRST should become stronger, and then many will not mind buying weapons or oil for rubles.
            4. Shick
              Shick April 6 2014 12: 15
              0
              The article is absolute nonsense
        2. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov April 5 2014 16: 40
          +3
          Saudi Arabia is unhappy with the return of Iran to world politics and the lifting of sanctions.
          We have almost reached an agreement with Iran ..! It's about the collapse .. (as we are threatened ..) Iran held out for a long time! (experience) It's time to pull the "sacred cow" ..))) And with Iran, we will do it very well ..))
        3. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith April 5 2014 18: 10
          +1
          Quote: Wiruz
          Recently, it seems that some American senator suggested that Monkey sell all the oil refinery of American oil in order to hit the Russian economy. True, in this case it makes them very dependent on oil supplies from abroad ... But anything can happen to a tanker in the ocean winked


          And he did it - 10% of the stocks were brought to the market.
        4. datur
          datur April 5 2014 19: 10
          +1
          [quote = Wiruz] [quote] when production is reduced demand increases the price rises, but here it is written vice versa [/ quote]
          Here I am about that. Recently, it seems that some American senator suggested that Monkey sell all the oil refinery of American oil in order to hit the Russian economy .--------------- yes, but they can throw out 5000000 million tons per day about 180 days to the complete devastation of their strategic reserves! And then? there’s no stock, what should I do? buy and replenish --- here the sellers will take full advantage of them !!! and figure out how the oil prices will fly up and how the Americans will be, thankful for that, !!!!!
          1. yur
            yur April 5 2014 20: 57
            +3
            Quote: datur
            but they can throw out 5000000 million tons per day on the market for about 180 days, up to
            5 trillion tons of oil a day ?? !! Either my head is stuck, or your keys on the "keyboard" are stuck, but this cannot be, because it can never be. Or rather, there is no such amount of oil on the planet Earth.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht April 5 2014 21: 40
              +2
              Quote: yur
              Quote: datur
              but they can throw out 5000000 million tons per day on the market for about 180 days, up to
              5 trillion tons of oil per day ?? !! Either my head got bogged down, or your keys on the clave are stuck, but this cannot be, because it can never be. More precisely, there is no such amount of oil on planet Earth.

              Most likely it was about 5 million barrels. The strategic reserve of the United States is now about 700 million barrels. Just three months is enough. Just recently there was a test release of 5 million barrels. But this stock in no case can not be used all without a trace. So for a month or two there is oil. Plus what is in the tankers. But then you have to renew the stock again. Swing: back and forth
        5. Sibiriya
          Sibiriya April 5 2014 20: 20
          +2
          The winners of the "gold" in the Sochi Olympics, Russian Anton Shipulin and Belarusian biathlete Daria Domracheva, with only one slip by a pair, won the main start of the Race of Champions, which ended in Moscow, - a mixed relay.

          The relay race was preceded by a personal race with a mass start, in which Marie Doren-Abert (France) and Jacob Fak (Slovenia) won. Our Anton Shipulin finished second in the men's race.

          Well done boys
      2. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 April 5 2014 16: 41
        +9
        the biathlon season ended with the Champulin couple race Shipulin and Dobrocheva champions with which I congratulate them. Russia and Belarus are brothers forever.
      3. Grbear
        Grbear April 5 2014 17: 05
        +4
        It is quite simple, but in a complex.

        The Arabs lowered prices (just set a price) and cut production to reduce losses. Europe reduced consumption to a technical minimum and did not buy from Russia at a higher price (business is business). The Arabs had "fat", while Russia did not. Besides, the "printing press" - the FRS, helped. It takes only six months for the crisis to begin.

        So it happened.
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      6. kayman4
        kayman4 April 5 2014 19: 53
        +2
        you just have to take an adjustment for 1980 demand and today’s - then it was easier to reduce the need (to tighten the belts) than now :)
    2. Vadim12
      Vadim12 April 5 2014 16: 39
      +2
      Also thought from the first lines, something is wrong. If there is little oil, it should rise in price ..
      1. andrewvlg
        andrewvlg April 5 2014 16: 50
        +3
        Quote: Vadim12
        Also thought from the first lines, something is wrong. If there is little oil, it should rise in price ..

        Apparently, the author simply made a slip of the tongue. Further down the line, everything is in order with logic. So you correctly noticed the error.
    3. Duke
      Duke April 5 2014 16: 42
      +3
      Here is a small clip, sorry if not the topic.
    4. Turkir
      Turkir April 5 2014 16: 49
      0
      Yes of course. MISSIBILITY maybe?
      belay
    5. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru April 5 2014 16: 54
      +2
      Quote: Wiruz
      oil rises in price - gas rises in price as a result, oil rises in price - gas rises in price to compensate for losses in oil production, the price of oil is stable - gas rises in price due to inflation.

      Conclusion: gasoline in Russia will go up in price!
      1. Coffee_time
        Coffee_time April 5 2014 17: 01
        +1
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Conclusion: gasoline in Russia will go up in price!

        all for the benefit of the collapse of hegemon (USA)
    6. Sterlya
      Sterlya April 5 2014 17: 31
      +3
      not very reasonable economically.
      the whole problem is not even the price of oil. and the fact that all world trade is focused on the dollar. and the naturally high price of oil on dollars. high dollar rate. in the world of everything, only Two countries benefit from a high rate. national currencies. Countries parasites Complete.
      USA and the United Kingdom. (EU already belongs there too. already practically)
      But. cannot so many parasites get along in one body
      1. fif21
        fif21 April 5 2014 20: 37
        +2
        the whole problem is not even the price of oil. but the fact that all world trade is focused on the dollar [/ quote]
        I would like to look at the face of an American when he is trying to pay off with a dollar, and they tell him that they don’t take recyclables here wassat
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    7. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 5 2014 18: 07
      +5
      Quote: Wiruz
      So I feel so stupid again.

      Not you alone.
      "Gasoline Prices Are Rising Because Global Indexes Are Going Up"
      "Gasoline prices are growing due to a decrease in global prices, therefore, in order to diversify their losses in the foreign market, mining companies HAVE to raise prices for domestic consumers!"
      I’m feeling that we are bred like rabbits!
      1. ty60
        ty60 April 5 2014 22: 42
        +1
        ISRAELI CITIZENS IN OIL BUSINESS ASKED FOR-working for the good of Russia, or sanctions!
    8. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 5 2014 18: 23
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      sharply reduced hydrocarbon production. This should lead to a decrease in world oil prices and the destruction of the Russian economy.

      So I feel so stupid again. Of course, I am not an economist, but I understand that in this case, as described above, oil prices will jump up. Is not it so?
      Or is it like in an old joke: oil rises in price - gas rises in price as a result, oil rises in price - gas rises in price to compensate for losses in oil production, oil price is stable - gas rises in price due to inflation.

      I saw his interview yesterday. I got the impression that he is lobbying for US interests. And he calls white Chen and vice versa. The interview said that in the US, pension and other funds enough to stop buying oil and it will collapse, and so on. If that were the case, they would have been doing it for a long time. But even before 2006, the start of shale gas production in the United States, they did not even try to do such a trick, although it is more important for them to lower prices for their own economy. Until 2006, they purchased all gas and oil. In addition, sanctions were imposed on Iran before 2006 and it would again be beneficial for them to bring down prices. So it’s not so simple.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam April 5 2014 20: 51
        0
        I still have to see who buys oil for the yankos. Isn't it Bush?
    9. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa April 5 2014 19: 33
      +1
      Around conspiracy theology even in.
    10. papas-57
      papas-57 April 5 2014 20: 03
      +2
      `` Or is it like an old joke: oil rises in price - gasoline rises in price as a result, oil becomes cheaper - gasoline rises in price to compensate for losses in oil production, the price of oil is stable - gasoline rises in price due to inflation. '' This is not an old anecdote, but reality. in Russia.
    11. aksakal
      aksakal April 5 2014 23: 09
      +3
      Quote: Wiruz
      oil rises in price - gas rises in price as a result, oil rises in price - gas rises in price to compensate for losses in oil production, the price of oil is stable - gas rises in price due to inflation.
      - this is not quite the case in Kazakhstan. In Kazakhstan, gasoline really rises in price from any movement of oil. If oil falls in price, they raise the price of gasoline and explain this by the need to save the oil national companies in a difficult situation. If oil rises in price, then they explain to us that it is unprofitable for oil national companies to drive gasoline to the domestic market because of the rise in oil prices, so we need to raise the price to interest our national companies. In the US futures market, they trade futures because futures it is insurance against sudden price fluctuations. The mechanism itself takes a long time to explain, but in general the idea is this - American oil companies are interested in stable prices, and the risks from sharp price fluctuations (in either direction) are taken on by speculators attracted to the oil futures market - the so-called. traders. From these oil swings, traders can either become fabulously rich or completely go broke, they are completely tax-exempt, but their function is as follows: they take risks, freeing serious oil players from price fluctuations. For this, all this mass of traders is called "insurers".
      In Kazakhstan, the futures market has not been created, there are no traders, therefore, the people were appointed as the "insurer" of the national oil companies, however, they asked him to forget about it. And this is not necessary - people resignedly pull the strap, helping out their national companies in case of sharp fluctuations (scientifically speaking, "with increased price volatility"), while the profits of these national companies go into the pockets of individuals whose names we know. They have already noted that through a certain Goga Ashkenazi they are buying up very expensive real estate in London. In general, the picture is not very happy.
    12. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 April 6 2014 03: 15
      -1
      Fuck off, you’re not aiming there. I’m from there. I’ll sleep, I’ll tell you.
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  2. delfinN
    delfinN April 5 2014 16: 03
    +14
    And here is why
    1. olegglin
      olegglin April 5 2014 16: 29
      +3
      If the price of oil falls, the price of gas will fall, followed by the "shale pyramid" ...
  3. konvalval
    konvalval April 5 2014 16: 04
    +4
    I’m not an economist, but if you believe the author, then everything is twisted by America, or rather its bucks. This once again confirms that you need to get off the dollar needle.
  4. Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA April 5 2014 16: 04
    +2
    fluctuations in oil prices have no effect on the economies of the oil countries in the long term, it can only accelerate the subsequent surge in prices. By lowering oil prices, they will only add to it those for whom this was previously a luxury. Give cheap energy and every Chinese will have a car,)) and then China alone will be able to gobble up all the hydrocarbons in the world if the standard of living is at least as in Russia. As Americans do not wriggle, even they themselves will never be provided with gas or oil, since all goods are manufactured by China. It turns out America is buying oil indirectly.
    1. Name
      Name April 5 2014 17: 10
      0
      Any trawl-vali passatiji, if they start, only from the 2015 of the year, because the Saudis at the 2014 of the year have already beaten everything. hi
  5. Same lech
    Same lech April 5 2014 16: 07
    +4
    Hydrocarbons are a non-renewable product and its reserves on our planet are not endless, so the reduction in the price of oil, gas and other things can only be of a short-term nature ... then, due to economic reasons, they will begin to grow again.
    So do not be fooled by the cheap forecasts of any analysts.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 5 2014 16: 55
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Hydrocarbon non-renewable product

      Well, generally speaking, renewable. Someday, in just a few million years, one of us may be honored to burn very, very distant descendants in the engine of a vehicle. Unless, of course, they switch to another type of fuel.
    2. tolian
      tolian April 5 2014 18: 52
      +1
      Lech, and who said that it is not renewable? And yet, what do you know about gas reserves in Russia? What I saw allows me to boldly look into the future of my great-great-great-grandchildren.
  6. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 5 2014 16: 07
    +5
    We, in principle, are not against high prices not on the foreign market, but on the domestic market of oil products, prices could have been reduced, there would have been political will. But it’s better to sell oil to the Geyropeans for rubles.
    1. Nick
      Nick April 5 2014 16: 12
      +2
      Quote: Thought Giant
      We, in principle, are not opposed to high prices not on the external market, but on the domestic market of oil products, prices could have been reduced,

      Alas, in the conditions of free movement of the mass of goods across the border, this is very difficult to do. Petroleum products will flow to where the price is higher, and if the prices in Russia are artificially limited, then, known to all those who lived in the USSR, a shortage of the same bezin and other petroleum products is possible ...
      1. tolian
        tolian April 5 2014 18: 54
        0
        ++++++++ You are right.
      2. yur
        yur April 5 2014 21: 37
        +1
        Quote: Nick
        they are higher, and if artificially limit prices in Russia, it is possible, known to everyone who lived in the USSR, a deficit of the same bezin
        I lived in the USSR, but I am not aware of the fact of a shortage of gasoline. But it is known (like most members of the forum) that all the drivers of all enterprises poured gasoline on the ground in order to be able to "catch up" the speedometer and assign kilometers in the waybills. Alas and ah, but it was. And in order to avoid a deficit in the current economic realities, it is necessary, along with the price limitation, to limit the export of oil products (naturally, in the required quantities). So everything can be solved, of course, provided that the government really cares about its citizens and its economy, and not just about the oil barons.
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 April 6 2014 05: 06
        0
        This is all done quite simply. A quota is set for oil sales in the domestic market for a fixed price. In return, oil workers receive tax preferences for this volume of oil. Everyone is happy and happy.
    2. techmesh
      techmesh April 5 2014 16: 37
      +3
      But it’s better to sell oil to the Geyropeans for rubles.

      The economy is a subtle thing. To sell for rubles, we ourselves need to get off the oil needle. Because, on the one hand, the higher the dollar exchange rate, the more profitable it is for us to trade oil, and when we start selling for rubles, the ruble exchange rate will increase. And now we have a crisis. Therefore, first you need to raise industry, your exchanges and calculations, and then trade for rubles.
  7. Siberian19
    Siberian19 April 5 2014 16: 08
    +5
    read the article very readily written about our future and what is happening now, you will not regret the time spent! The most important thing is not happening in Ukraine now. The most important thing is happening in Moscow now. Putin’s team is seriously planning to “set fire to” the dollar.

    Sechin recently launched a bomb - an international gas exchange project without dollars! http://continentalist.ru/2014/04/chelovek-kotoryiy-vernul-rossii-kryim/
  8. Nick
    Nick April 5 2014 16: 08
    +3
    It seems that the author is right that America is not interested in a significant drop in oil prices, and as a result, gas prices, given the shale boom in its gas and oil production, is a fact ...
  9. WIN969
    WIN969 April 5 2014 16: 18
    +2
    Oil prices should be formed by agreement between the exporter and importer, or we will live in fear of a collapse.
  10. SANAY
    SANAY April 5 2014 16: 21
    +2
    Oh guys! It's time for us to switch to rubles when selling oil and gas. Then they will be guessed. They will rush about. And the ruble will be in demand on a global scale!
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 5 2014 17: 01
      +1
      Quote: SANAY
      Oh guys! It's time for us to switch to rubles when selling oil and gas. Then they will be guessed. They will rush about. And the ruble will be in demand on a global scale!

      Please explain to me, wretched, what will stop the geyropeytsy from changing their euros to rubles and buy our oil? Just do not say that we will not sell them rubles - it is easier then not to sell them oil. I want to emphasize that I asked a simple question.
      I’ll also explain, here’s a barrel, suppose now it costs 100 euros. We start selling for rubles, they exchange 100 euros for 5000 rubles on the MICEX and buy a barrel. What is the benefit to us? The ruble will be more in demand and its course will grow? I agree. Then our goods (oil, gas, pipes and all exports) will increase in price (a barrel for 5000 rubles will cost the geyrope not 100, but, say, 130 euros). Accordingly, demand for them will fall (competition). Oil and gas will gradually begin to be transported by tankers, and pipes in general will stop buying from us immediately. Our production will become. Why do you think China is underestimating (devaluing) the renminbi?
      1. SANAY
        SANAY April 5 2014 17: 35
        +1
        And where does this scenario come from? In a sense, this is blackmail - I agree, but I do not understand about the "pipe" and our production, sorry. Count the number of importing and consumer countries. And do you seriously think that against the background of the fact that Europeans are constantly being frightened by running out of resources, our production will stop? Some already wanted to trade oil for dinars. Not a single one was left alive. They were not given and destroyed physically.
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg April 5 2014 18: 16
          +1
          Quote: SANAY
          And where does this scenario come from?

          Thanks for the answer. Suggest your script. I repeat the question: why will Europeans feel bad from buying oil for rubles?
          If I understand you correctly, you hope that the demand for rubles will increase, the ruble will strengthen (for example, 50 euros will be paid for the euro). Is logical. So, for the gay people, oil will become more expensive, they will buy expensive rubles for their currency, euros, right? In addition to oil and gas, geyropeytsy can get everything else in other countries. With an increase in the ruble exchange rate by 40-1,3 times, it will become cheaper to carry gas (the notorious LNG).
          I meant metal pipes (metal rolling), as an example of one of the Russian goods for export. Do you also offer to sell them for rubles or not?
          1. SANAY
            SANAY April 5 2014 19: 11
            +2
            You are right, maybe this is a myth. But in fact, a state that trades with partners for its own currency is still almost the only one in the world. Why can't we do it ourselves if we are independent, of course? This is power. Well, yes - they will be forced to buy our currency from us. What's bad about it? If it will be profitable to transport gas through port terminals, and please, we already have three or four of them. And metal rolling is a special topic - I know that we have a decent percentage in the US market. I'm afraid to make a mistake, but in every American ship or fighter, 40% of our steel. By the way, the Americans did not even raise this issue when developing sanctions. Once a congressman blundered and that’s all - this business is unprofitable for them. Plus, China immediately perked up with our rental. There will fit 10 times more! China is already experiencing a shortage of all strategic resources. And that number is terrible! China's deficit is up to 1000 percent !!!!!! That is, they can develop ten times faster. I respect your opinion, but they are not restraining Russia, they are humiliating it in the old fashion, and it is not necessary to restrain us !!!!!
            1. andrewvlg
              andrewvlg April 5 2014 19: 46
              0
              I am pleased that you are a patriot of our Motherland. Yes, world leaders, if not humiliating Russia, are trying ... Moreover, you need to be more literate in matters of the economy. Otherwise, more experienced fighters will prevail. You "plus" for patriotism, but, nevertheless, take the trouble to understand the "trade wars". They have been under way for a long time, even before the appearance of the United States with its "green" on the world stage. The French also began to devalue the franc by adding impurities to gold and silver coins. Then the whole world switched to paper money, precisely because it is easier to devalue them.
          2. Vorodis_vA
            Vorodis_vA April 6 2014 00: 45
            +1
            everything is actually very simple, firstly selling oil and gas for rubles, we get high demand for rubles, everyone always needs a ruble to buy oil and gas and there are other rare earth metals, the ruble takes off, as it takes off, it is sealed and the balance is maintained, according to as trade increases, demand grows slowly and the ruble mass should grow along with demand. total output received exactly as many freebies as we bought rubles. but we now have their currency, because they bought rubles for the euro or the dollar, and as a result everything is fair, how much goods they give us, how many goods we give them ... if we want to sell and buy for the ruble, this is already cooler and it’s more complicated then the whole amount of money outside the state is a freebie and it will be replenished as oil prices or demand rise. at the moment we have a deplorable picture - we are forced to keep in the country as many dollars as there are rubles in the world
      2. SANAY
        SANAY April 5 2014 17: 43
        0
        http://floomby.ru/s1/DWmvut как говорится "в тему"
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg April 5 2014 18: 36
          0
          Quote: SANAY
          http://floomby.ru/s1/DWmvut как говорится "в тему"

          This link did not open for me (an advertisement came out, perhaps registration is necessary).
          Maybe you yourself explain? Why do all countries trading for export (and that’s almost all) strive to devalue their currency? And you propose to strengthen the ruble. A simple Russian peasant, of course, will be better - he will be able to buy more imported consumer goods. But it will be very difficult for producers of goods for export (and in our country it is not only oil and gas), it is almost impossible to stay on the market.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru April 5 2014 19: 37
            0
            Quote: andrewvlg
            But it will be very difficult for producers of goods for export (and in our country it is not only oil and gas), it is almost impossible to stay on the market

            Well, yes, the markets are bursting with goods made in Russia!
      3. yur
        yur April 5 2014 21: 49
        +2
        Quote: andrewvlg
        Here, please explain to me, wretched, that will prevent the gay people from changing their euros
        And now explain to ME, wretched, why is it profitable for Americans to sell oil for dollars, and for us selling oil for rubles will only do harm? Something does not converge in your calculations, do not you find?
  11. From Germany
    From Germany April 5 2014 16: 25
    +2
    "... for Saudi Arabia to drastically reduce hydrocarbon production. This should lead to a drop in world oil prices and the destruction of the Russian economy."

    That is, the smaller the product on the market, the cheaper it is? Of course, I am not an economist by profession, but logically, everything should be exactly the opposite. Saudi Arabia produces and accordingly sells less oil, but demand does not become less! The remaining suppliers can sell more of their oil (if they even have enough oil to meet demand). But high demand with a low supply / quantity of a product is equal to an increase in prices. Enlighten me where I am wrong, you look at something new for yourself to find out (as they say, only the dead do not learn).
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz April 5 2014 16: 31
      +2
      I'm certainly not an economist by profession, but logically, everything should be exactly the opposite

      ABOUT! There are two of us now. Here, either the author of the article messed up something, or Obama completely numbed.
      1. Stinger
        Stinger April 5 2014 17: 23
        +3
        Guys do not suffer, Such are our "economists". Gaidar school.
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 April 5 2014 17: 25
      +1
      Quote: From Germany
      Of course, I'm not an economist by profession, but logically, everything should be exactly the opposite.

      The error is most likely.
  12. VladimS
    VladimS April 5 2014 16: 35
    +4
    Quote: Siberian19
    read the article very readily written about our future and what is happening now, you will not regret the time spent! The most important thing is not happening in Ukraine now. The most important thing is happening in Moscow now. Putin’s team is seriously planning to “set fire to” the dollar.

    Sechin recently launched a bomb - an international gas exchange project without dollars! http://continentalist.ru/2014/04/chelovek-kotoryiy-vernul-rossii-kryim/


    Siberian 19 + 100! Great stuff.
    If it works out, crank everything up as Putin and K plan, it will be a truly mega-super bomb under
    the staggering foundation of world dollar hegemony.
  13. mabuta
    mabuta April 5 2014 16: 40
    +2
    To Saudis with their family squabble, the low price of oil is extremely unprofitable. And so Obama broke off, and then there is a mess in sanctions. What to introduce so that Obama is not allowed to spend his time ahead of time. African-American days have come for Husseinich.
  14. Shpagolom
    Shpagolom April 5 2014 16: 41
    0
    ...... The more expensive the oil that is sold for $, the more demand there is for it, maybe it’s a catch .... after all, the demand for dollars is beneficial for the United States ... the printing press will be turned on and they will be happy !! wink
    1. Vorodis_vA
      Vorodis_vA April 6 2014 00: 51
      0
      why oil, be it Chinese cowards, just for the dollar, shove the dollar and print print print ... all contracts are in dollars, all debts are in dollars, but it becomes cheaper and the debt is reset and we print again, print and print, borrowing from the Federal Reserve , and at the end of this story the Fed will forgive everyone their debts and America will be happy and all over again
  15. fly fishing
    fly fishing April 5 2014 16: 41
    0
    Americans, the worst sanction against Russia is to be friends with us drinks
    How do you not understand this? laughing
    Recently I watched the film "Black Gold", all their insides are revealed, I recommend it for viewing!
  16. delfinN
    delfinN April 5 2014 16: 42
    +1
    Distract for a few minutes from this ... better listen to Polina Agureeva.

  17. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 5 2014 16: 43
    +2
    That's the trouble — they not only do not learn history — it seems that they did not read it! How Obama recently pierced with a referendum in Kosovo! request
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 5 2014 17: 28
      0
      Oh yeah! You are reminded at the time!
      This is Obama's latest intellectual paroxysm. hi
  18. Bigriver
    Bigriver April 5 2014 16: 52
    +3
    The Saudis, of course, are the very first, but far from the only ones for large volumes of oil export.
    The following are: UAE, Iran, Iraq, Qatar, Oman, Nigeria, Angola, Algeria, Venezuela, Russia, after all, etc.
    Why would the Saudis lie under America now, and undermine their own economy, if their lonely "heroic" act does not even lead to the systemic desired changes that the US needs?
    It is not clear why, especially after the Americans defiantly "threw" the Saudis, turning to Iran with a smiling face.
    It seems to me that Obama, having spent a trip to BV, sought to create the necessary thoughts in the right mind. This is a bluff.
  19. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 5 2014 17: 01
    +2
    Iran will help us again (and of course we will). Again together as in the Second World ..!
    1. serge siberian
      serge siberian April 5 2014 17: 45
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Iran will help us again (and of course we will). Again together as in the Second World ..!

      I’m ready to put it in respect, I put a bold plus.
  20. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 5 2014 17: 03
    +1
    Russia is a fairly serious player in the energy market, but painfully delicate (sometimes it seems cowardly and indecisive).
    It is enough to declare in a harsh ultimatum form about the sale of their energy resources for rubles (backed by gold, the so-called "gold standard") and then do not care about any actions of amers and their plebeians from the East. And in case of misunderstanding, dalbanut on the Saudis, so that others will not agree, by the way, they already have something to beat for.
    1. serge siberian
      serge siberian April 5 2014 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: Little Muck
      Russia is a fairly serious player in the energy market, but painfully delicate (sometimes it seems cowardly and indecisive).
      It is enough to declare in a harsh ultimatum form about the sale of their energy resources for rubles (backed by gold, the so-called "gold standard") and then do not care about any actions of amers and their plebeians from the East. And in case of misunderstanding, dalbanut on the Saudis, so that others will not agree, by the way, they already have something to beat for.

      it’s not necessary to hammer on them, and it’s not necessary. And it’s worth it to firmly declare trade for rubles. Let the US Federal Reserve shake, well, it’s the best of all.
      1. I read the news
        I read the news April 5 2014 18: 57
        0
        Can rhinestones be traded for gold? The same limited resource.
  21. Bakht
    Bakht April 5 2014 17: 16
    +3
    The author is right in that the price of oil is independent of producers. This is a 100% speculative business.

    The problem is that it is impossible to operate with numbers. Because not a single figure can be trusted. The term "veiled logic" has been used for the Saudis. I understand that this is just a synonym for the word "lie". M. Simmons dealt with this issue. And he brought the representatives of large oil companies to white heat. But in 2010, Simmons unexpectedly drowned in the pool at his home. I don't have a pool, so everything will be much more prosaic.

    I will give two numbers that anyone can find on the Internet. For 2014, the whole world consumes 94 million barrels per day. And after Simmons, I looked for the productivity of all the oil refineries in the world. And he found a digital figure of 89 million barrels. So how much oil does the world consume? No need to talk about reserves. All warehouses are filled to capacity. In the Gulf of Mexico every day there are several tankers waiting to be unloaded. And these are millions of barrels.

    So to collapse prices - like two fingers on the asphalt. But ... then you can put an end to all shale oil and gas production projects. Shale oil production is profitable only at a price of more than $ 100. And this is a very brief moment in the history of oil production.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news April 5 2014 18: 59
      0
      Tell me, please, where does the extra 5 million barrels per day come from?
      1. Bakht
        Bakht April 5 2014 20: 53
        +1
        Quote: I readNews
        Tell me, please, where does the extra 5 million barrels per day come from?

        If the question is for me, then I do not know. Simmons believed that oil production was overstated. According to Simmons and Laurent, Saudi production never exceeded 8 million barrels per day. But this is impossible to verify. Simmons decided not to believe the ARAMCO reports and simply reconciled the overhead tankers leaving the Persian Gulf. And thus all the oil companies went wild.

        For the concept of how much the numbers do not fit, I will give a long citrate

        In the early 1970s, the four companies that were part of ARAMCO - Exxon, Chevron, Texaco and Mobile - estimated the potential field in Gavar at 60 billion barrels. Now the field has already produced 55 billion barrels and is due to dry out soon. However, ARAMCO, which became known as the National Saudi Company since 1976, estimates the remaining resources at 125 billion barrels.

        To end this conspiracy of silence, which is also accompanied by misinformation, Simmons turns into a detective. Not a single Saudi official document is credible; it relies on two hundred technical reports relating to oil resources and operations with Saudi oil. Most of them are the result of reports or publications compiled in the bowels of the Society of Petroleum Engineers by specialists who had access to ARAMCO data. The facts they discovered allow him to claim in his report to the Center for International and Strategic Studies in Washington that Saudi oil is "coming to an end soon."

        The documents reviewed show the difficulties that ARAMCO has to face in the process of field exploitation: aging of the fields, the inability to recover the right amount of oil, despite the use of the most complex and most ingenious oil production technology in the world.

        He compares allegations by officials stating that their products reached 2004 million barrels per day in July 9,5 and that this level lasted for five months with figures from the International Energy Agency. The agency compiles an inventory of oil exports by producing countries, and this inventory shows that the level of Saudi oil production is 4,5-4,6 million barrels per day.

        In the face of such revelations, one of the ARAMCO officials, Nansen Saleri, describing Simmons as “a banker who wanted to become a scientist,” says: “I can read two hundred articles on neurology, but you do not ask me to operate on your loved ones.

        To such attacks, Simmons calmly replies: “It is not difficult for the Saudis to prove that I am mistaken. It is enough for them to publish reports on the products of each field and information on their reserves. After a few days, everyone will exclaim: "Simmons was completely mistaken!" - and maybe they will add: "He was too optimistic."
  22. Arkan
    Arkan April 5 2014 17: 17
    +2
    Oil is traded in dollars, less oil, less printing press.
  23. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 5 2014 17: 46
    0
    amerikososv, for any need to be punished! It is better to do a collapse of green toilet paper! But we must also think about the global consequences! What will happen to other currencies, food prices and so on! We have smart financiers, so they have the flag in their hands, let the Americans quietly drown in shit, so that it does not affect others!
    1. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik April 5 2014 21: 02
      +1
      It sounds beautiful, the only problem is that our gold and foreign exchange reserves include dollars and there are a lot of them ... We fill up the dollar - we will remain, if not without pants, then in a not very comfortable position - it’s like a drug - you need refuse it, but the body cannot do without it - withdrawal begins, so doctors continue to give the drug, but in doses less and less - and we need to - get rid of the dollars over time with all our might, but you cannot immediately destroy it.
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 6 2014 22: 01
      0
      Quote: alex47russ
      ! We have smart financiers, so they have the flag in their hands, let the Americans quietly drown in shit, so that it does not affect others!

      We have smart financiers, but unfortunately, not all and not always "clever" towards Russia!
  24. onegin61
    onegin61 April 5 2014 17: 54
    0
    Simonov wrote: "The US President went to Riyadh to negotiate that Saudi Arabia would sharply cut hydrocarbon production. This should lead to a drop in world oil prices and the destruction of the Russian economy." This is not the case, a decrease in physical oil on the market always leads to its rise in price with average or growing demand.
  25. Lazy
    Lazy April 5 2014 17: 55
    +1
    Therefore, to the question whether the United States can collapse oil prices, I will answer: "Naturally, they can." Do I need to go to Saudi Arabia? Generally not necessary. To do this, you can simply put restrictions on the inflow of dollars to the oil exchange, to ensure the outflow of capital.

    A very one-sided and flat judgment. If it comes to that, ask yourself why the US did not keep oil prices low even earlier, BEFORE the shale "revolution", and they themselves imported eastern oil at a high price, and at the same time allowed the Russian economy to develop. Well, now yes, they are like producing shale oil and gas (to the word about conspiracy theology - ALL more or less respected scientists ’minds say that it’s unprofitable and only spoils nature, and soon all these shales will collapse, because they won’t lead to anything good) and so what they get it? Oil and gas prices plummeted despite all the propaganda of shale oil and gas? But when the shale program is minimized, they can jump well. By the way, even at current gas and oil prices, producing SO in the USA is unprofitable, because of course their drill rigs, though free, but not eternal, and in general if it weren’t for them, such volumes probably would not have happened. But what is really expensive for the USA is petrodollars. And if now, by their financial system, big players begin to negotiate their prices without dollars, then why the hell would treasures be needed ??? Do you think the whole world is buying love bonds from the United States? What, everyone respects the United States so much that their opinion for the rest of the world is like law? So, most likely, this financial system does not have to live long. And just the same, what the USA is really interested in is to convince everyone that their exchange markets are still the most objective and compromise. Whether they want it or not, but in the near future the USA and Europe will have to enter the economy mode (and very strict one). And oil prices will not drop in any case. And the USA is really not profitable, but not because of shale energy production.
  26. Sterlya
    Sterlya April 5 2014 18: 02
    +2
    and so. I am to many Deputies. and I advise Politicians to read our site. many different opinions. something trolls a little lately. alarming.
    considering what Democrats live on.
  27. serge siberian
    serge siberian April 5 2014 18: 07
    +1
    my friends, let's start from the fact that you can’t buy milk in Russia or a loaf of bread for dollars. Yes, and I think nobody will buy it.
    Buy for rubles their currency while forcing the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. How and selling too. Is it profitable for the United States? And the United States does not want to comply with its agreements with the Russian Federation. So now they want to "smudge them on the side."
  28. 31231
    31231 April 5 2014 18: 09
    +1
    Everyone is confident that the US president traveled to Riyadh to negotiate that Saudi Arabia sharply reduce hydrocarbon production. This should lead to lower world oil prices and the destruction of the Russian economy.


    What is this nonsense? Or just a typo? Maybe the author wanted to say about the increase in production by the Saudis?
  29. Ulairy
    Ulairy April 5 2014 18: 10
    +3
    So, we can say that Saudi Arabia throughout the first half of 1980 played on the side of the Soviet Union, reducing production, it tried to save prices. And only when this was not possible, indeed, in 1986, production began to grow and then relatively stabilized.
    In this great game, Arabia played on its side. It just so happened that it helped us in the early 80s, and after 86, "the youngest of the Politburo," a mikha-tagged one, was admitted to power. The actions of which some still regard as sabotage in favor of the anti-Russian coalition of countries. So it turns out that the collapse of the Union was not provoked by "oil plans" (and Obama is an even bigger clown than Reagan or Nixon and Bush Sr. combined), it was provoked by the "stagnant stability" of the Politburo, which did not want to see beyond its warm swamp. And nowadays no half-educated Obama will do anything with the Arabs in order to bring down our economy with the help of oil. The Saudis will again play in their own field, we are in ours and now there is no Darth Stalin Empire, with which the noble "rebels" are fighting. For me, these "negotiations" - the beginning of the global end of the dollar, as a world currency, no more. I am not an economist or an accountant either. I just see the "sweaty American president in a panic."
  30. 31231
    31231 April 5 2014 18: 20
    0
    Therefore, to the question whether the United States can collapse oil prices, I will answer: "Naturally, they can." Do I need to go to Saudi Arabia? Generally not necessary. To do this, you can simply put restrictions on the inflow of dollars to the oil exchange, to ensure the outflow of capital. Money must be taken from oil futures and allowed to go to other markets, and oil will begin to fall instantly. Thus, there is no need for any conspiracy theology, to agree and promise something to the Saudis there. The United States is capable of collapsing oil prices on its own.


    Argument One: Now in the United States there is a boom in the production of shale oil, which devours shale gas. Equipment is being transferred from gas production to oil production.


    The article is rare nonsense. The author at least cited the volume of oil shale oil and ordinary oil production by periods in the United States. But an exchange analyst is not aware that almost all of the increase in US oil production comes from conventional fields. Obama simply gave the go-ahead to use the so-called strategic reserves. Deposits on which either mining was not carried out before or was limited by the state, now they are blacking and pumping black gold from the heart.
  31. Tektor
    Tektor April 5 2014 18: 27
    +2
    The fundamental difference between the “then” situation and the “now” situation is that the states “now” have to look for ways to slow down the economies of both the Russian Federation and China at the same time. And here measures to stifle one economy turn out to be stimulating for another ... Fork ...
    There are some suggestions that the states consider China a more powerful rival than the Russian Federation. And in connection with this, even this year we can see the price of a barrel at 150 ... In addition, a serious crisis is brewing in the Chinese economy: they have lost the main advantage - cheap labor. Now the AVERAGE level of wages in Shanghai is HIGHER than in St. Petersburg ...
    1. I read the news
      I read the news April 5 2014 19: 04
      0
      So they can transfer production to St. Petersburg.
    2. datur
      datur April 5 2014 19: 18
      0
      what’s most interesting --- the Americans themselves created this situation !!!! in the 80s, there were 2 players - America and the USSR !! then the West itself, with its own hands created these ,, Asian tigers, ”and now it’s thinking, as it were, and to eat a fish and ... to sit, and even make a profit !!! wink --- One word, n ...... s !!! laughing
    3. 31231
      31231 April 5 2014 23: 58
      0
      They have not lost anything. In addition to cheap labor, they had tax benefits + cheap resources (metals, coal, electricity). The level of wages has not increased significantly and will have a minimal impact on costs. I can also note that there are rapid international investments in neighboring Vietnam.
  32. individual
    individual April 5 2014 19: 30
    0
    The whole economy is built on the inflated numbers of printed candy wrappers-dollars.
    Russia is 5-8 the economy of the world and so far alone can not resist the dictates of cut paper from the US Federal Reserve.
    The growing BRICS is capable of changing all this, but in the long run.
    But for now, everyone puts up with the yoke of dollar dependence.
    Even the EU with its euro fell under the American oligarchic heel.
    Everyone is unhappy, everyone is at an impasse, but there is no way out yet.
  33. mamont5
    mamont5 April 5 2014 19: 31
    0
    It seems that soon the Amers will have something to think about and Obama will curse the day when he decided on sanctions and curse his advisers who made him take such a step. For already from different articles signals come that the process has begun.
    "Washington is very shocked and seems to even try to throw something at the Russian bear so that the bear stops gnawing the buck."
    http://politobzor.net/show-17045-vashington-silno-shokirovan-i-vrode-dazhe-probu
    et-chto-to-kinut-russkomu-medvedu-chtoby-medved-perestal-gryzt-baks.html
  34. sv68
    sv68 April 5 2014 19: 31
    +3
    it would be better if the author honestly wrote how, with minimal damage to Russia, you can quickly collapse the state economy
    1. Skifo
      Skifo April 5 2014 20: 06
      0
      cool and to the point!))
  35. Sterlya
    Sterlya April 5 2014 20: 06
    0
    one thing. not clear up to. so far. Who thinks what place? Parasites All? Want to have the whole world? Yesov Horses Ashton. Macaque Obama. (stupid) if these Monkeys World rule !!!!!
    Well, really in world politics besides Putin there are no THINKERS?
  36. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta April 5 2014 20: 09
    0
    Thanks for the free educational program!
  37. fif21
    fif21 April 5 2014 20: 11
    +1
    We produce hydrocarbons from the bowels. Americans buy them for green pieces of paper. Question: whose business is more profitable? Raw materials stimulate economic development, and what do green papers stimulate? Who will say how much and what we bought from American firms for 20013 and how much did it cost?
    That’s the whole trick, that most of our economists convince us that without the greens we won’t live and tied the entire economy to the dollar.
    Thanks Kudrin !!! He is recognized as the best Minister of Economics in the West, and therefore they recognized that he brought all the accumulations of Russia to the West and they work for their economy, and not for the Russian one! And this is not an isolated example of what the people call the Betrayal of the interests of the Homeland. And they could live no worse than Saudi Arabia !!!
  38. alynin
    alynin April 5 2014 20: 13
    +5
    The states apparently soon decided to clean the kayuk God. The deadliest volcano in America is Yellowstone today, April 4, 2014. Experts seriously fear the eruption of the awakened supervolcano Yellowstone, which could wipe America off the face of the earth. The latest news on April 4, 2014 does not bode well.

    An earthquake can lead to irreparable consequences - in the event of an eruption of an awakened volcano, destruction is provided throughout the United States. Americans are seriously concerned about the threat of the eruption of a supervolcano located in Yellowstone State Park, Wyoming.

    Volcano in America Yellowstone today April 4, 2014

    According to the latest researchers, the possibility of an emergency is very high, because animals are already running from the park. Since March 28, 25 tremors have already been recorded on the territory of the national reserve. The most destructive - 4,8 points - occurred on the morning of March 30. A tragedy, the scale of which has not yet been on Earth, can happen at any time. In the Yellowstone State Park, the eruption of a volcano is about to begin - magma flows are already seething. The unprecedented activity of the earth's crust in this area makes scientists inseparably observe the process. The modern caldera was formed by the eruption of 1 thousand km3 of volcanic matter, which occurred 640 thousand years ago. This eruption formed a crater with a depth of about 1 km and dimensions of 84 km x 45 km. The most powerful eruption of 2.45 thousand km3 of volcanic products occurred 2.1 million years ago. This eruption formed the Island Park caldera of the Yellowstone Volcanic Complex.

    The scale of the Yellowstone Super Volcano is such that it is clearly manifested by a 500 km diameter uplift on the map of Geoid. The Yellowstone Super-Ejection will affect almost the entire US. The first zone adjacent to the volcano will suffer from pyroclastic flows. This avalanche, consisting of hot gas and ash, spreading at the speed of sound, will destroy all life within a radius of 100 km. 10 thousand square meters km will turn into scorched earth. No one will survive in the pyroclastic zone. The next zone is all the USA, the territory of which will be covered with ashes. People cannot breathe. With an ash layer of 15 cm, the load on the roofs will be so strong that the buildings will begin to fold like house of cards. Hundreds of thousands of people will die either from suffocation or from a collapse of buildings. In a few days, ashes will spread throughout the United States and even capture Europe.

    The eruption will continue for several days, but people and animals will mainly die not from ash or lava, but because of suffocation and poisoning by hydrogen sulfide. During this time, air throughout the western United States will be poisoned so that a person can hold out no more than 5-7 minutes. Almost the entire territory of the United States will be covered with a thick layer of ash - from Montana, Idaho and Wyoming, which will be wiped off the face of the Earth, to Iowa and the Gulf of Mexico. The ozone hole above the mainland will grow to such a level that the level of radiation will approach Chernobyl. All of North America will turn into scorched earth. The southern part of Canada will also be seriously affected. Scientists do not deny that the Yellowstone giant will provoke the eruption of several hundred ordinary volcanoes around the world. At the same time, eruptions of oceanic volcanoes will give rise to many tsunamis that will flood the coasts and all island states. Long-term consequences will be no less terrible than the eruption itself. And if the States will take the brunt, the whole world will feel the effect.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 5 2014 21: 00
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      Quote: alynin
      The states apparently soon decided to clean the kayuk God. The deadliest volcano in America is Yellowstone today, April 4, 2014. Experts seriously fear the eruption of the awakened supervolcano Yellowstone, which could wipe America off the face of the earth. The latest news on April 4, 2014 does not bode well.

      Is Putin again a little pissed off?
    2. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta April 5 2014 21: 34
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      What's this ? "Professor" has materialized under a new name? !!!
      Yes, I already said that Chile is all blue "Hello" .. !!!
  39. waisson
    waisson April 5 2014 20: 14
    +1
    saud meet oil industry workers
  40. waisson
    waisson April 5 2014 20: 17
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    Obama not only negotiates with the Saudis, but also with the thunder of the seas and oceans
  41. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 5 2014 20: 40
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    Well, there is an opinion that Kerry flew to the Saudis to negotiate not about oil, but about intensifying the destruction of Syria, and, at the same time, about joint subsidizing of the orange revolutions in the south-eastern "underbelly" of Russia ...
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 5 2014 21: 02
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      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Well, there is an opinion that Kerry flew to the Saudis to negotiate not about oil, but about intensifying the destruction of Syria, and, at the same time, about joint subsidizing of the orange revolutions in the south-eastern "underbelly" of Russia ...

      But I completely agree with this. Bashar will sekim Baska do. If possible, of course
      1. ty60
        ty60 April 6 2014 00: 26
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        if not tear.
  42. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam April 5 2014 21: 10
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    By the way, it would be nice to understand the beginning of 1980 of the year with the conspiracy. It was not as simple as many write. In fact, Saudi Arabia began to sharply roll off mining in the beginning of the decade, not in the middle of 1980, as many people think.

    Then three factors coincided.

    After the “oil shock” of 1979, prices began to decline. This is the first.

    The second factor - Britain in full steam was preparing for the withdrawal of new deposits of the North Sea

    The third factor is that America has launched oil futures trading. The United States got the opportunity to change the cost of oil without taking into account the supply factor.


    More recently, in connection with the Ukrainian Maidan, the topic of a possible repeated drop in oil prices was discussed. And here you have an article in the subject. Very well written. It is nice to see that it was not so simple as procrastinating during the perestroika years.
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta April 5 2014 22: 08
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      The main thing is not Oil! The main thing is that We They wiped the Ass!
  43. ty60
    ty60 April 6 2014 00: 31
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    Well, so long as the monkeys themselves sponsor us. It is necessary to determine the point of no return in advance. Use as the situation in the Crimea.
  44. DAYMAN
    DAYMAN April 6 2014 02: 45
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    Put a minus to the article ... does not stand up to criticism. It is not reasoned and not convincing.
  45. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 6 2014 04: 51
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    Okay friends, it's good to scratch your tongues, you won’t figure it out without a bottle or two. And .... how much vodka you don’t take, you still have to run a second time.
  46. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov April 6 2014 05: 27
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    wait and see!
  47. With Petrovsky
    With Petrovsky April 6 2014 06: 28
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    Well, as the saying goes: "What is good for a Russian, death for a German"
  48. shinobi
    shinobi April 6 2014 07: 25
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    The key point of the article fits into the phrase: US world oil prices cannot be lower than the cost of producing their own shale oil. With a production price of $ 70-80 per barrel, this is $ 100-110 in the market. Everything is. Curtain. As the analysts say, The United States simply has no leverage left besides unsecured green papers.