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"Smart trim" for the PAK FA

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"Smart trim" for the PAK FA

The lead enterprise for the creation of a radio-electronic system for the PAK FA is the Institute of Instrument Engineering named after Tikhomirov, a member of KRET. Serial deliveries of the fifth generation fighter to the troops will begin in 2016 year.


The PAK FA is a fifth generation Russian multipurpose fighter. Its development is a division of the United Aircraft Corporation - Sukhoi Design Bureau, where the fighter is held under the designation T-50.

The development of a promising fighter is gaining momentum. The lead enterprise for the creation of a radio-electronic system for the PAK FA is the Research Institute for Instrument Engineering named after V.V. Tikhomirova (NIIP). The radars developed at the institute are installed on 70% of all Russian fighters.

According to the statements of Yuri Bely, Director General of NIIP, the PAK FA radio-electronic system with active phased antenna arrays (AFAR) will be fundamentally new, different from aviation airborne radar in the traditional sense. Not only the main radar station with AFAR will be installed on the aircraft, but also a set of other active and passive radar and optical radar stations. Such stations are spread out over the entire surface of the aircraft, effectively constituting a “smart skin”.

The new radar, developed by NIIP, contains 1526 receiving and transmitting modules, which provides the aircraft with a greater detection range, multichannel target tracking and missile applications weapons. The radar is built entirely on the Russian element base on the basis of gallium arsenide nanoheterostructures and advanced technologies of antenna systems with electronic beam control.

The new radar from NIIP was first presented to the public at the MAKS-2009 air show. In addition to the main radar on the MAKS-2009, an additional radar was also presented for the promising L-band fighter, structurally placed in the slat. Its use will not only increase the noise immunity and combat survivability of the structure, but will also largely neutralize technologies for reducing the visibility of enemy aircraft.


According to Yury Bely, three aircraft with systems from NIIP are already connected to testing, two more aircraft will come to the end of the year. Tests from LII them. Gromov relocated to Akhtubinsk and according to the plan they should begin there in March-April, he specified.

Two sets of airborne radar already have a decent plaque on prototypes - T-50-3 and T-50-4 objects, in the near future the third will join flight tests - T-50-5 with NIIP equipment on board.

“The first series of flights confirmed the possibility of achieving the specified characteristics in the main modes“ air-to-air ”and“ air-to-surface ”, which testifies to a good scientific and technical reserve of development. However, there are a lot of unexpected problems, which is natural for pioneering developments, and their solution takes time, ”the general director of NIIP said.

For export deliveries on the basis of the PAK FA, together with India, an export modification of the aircraft is created, which received the designation FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft - the fifth generation fighter). NIIP them. Tikhomirova also participates in Russian-Indian development. According to Yury Bely, the institute has already completed and defended the draft technical project and is ready to continue work.

“They handed over the materials to“ Dry ”; they, in turn, - to the Indian side. Now there is a negotiation process. I think that the delays are mainly related to the possibilities of financing the project by the Indian side. I think that the chances are still great, ”said the general director of the company.

SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH INSTITUTE OF INSTRUMENT-MAKING AFTER V.V. Tikhomirov - the developer of fighter aircraft weapons control systems, one of the main tasks of which is to suppress enemy air defenses. In addition, the research institute is engaged in the development of anti-aircraft missile systems of medium-range air defense of the Ground Forces, whose task is to protect against air attack weapons. Included in the KRET.
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  1. polite people
    polite people April 4 2014 15: 17
    +41
    Do not let people constructors.
    We all believe in the power of Russian aviation. soldier
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB April 4 2014 15: 50
      +12
      Would already be sooner...
      1. raf
        raf April 4 2014 21: 11
        +4
        ShturmKGB
        Would already be sooner...

        As the unforgettable son of a Turkish citizen, Ostap-Suleiman-Berta-Maria-Bender-Bey, said: “Only cats will give birth quickly!” Or, as the people say, “Hurry slowly!” In this matter, speed is not the best, the main quality!
    2. VAF
      VAF April 4 2014 16: 14
      +14
      Quote: polite people
      Do not let people constructors.


      Do not fail, +! soldier The main thing is that with the assembly ... "do not let you down" recourse

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    3. Cherdak
      Cherdak April 4 2014 18: 26
      +4
      Quote: polite people
      We all believe in the power of Russian aviation

      And under the mute and the euro .....deleted by moderator Apollo again soaked:
      Official Kiev plans to stop military cooperation with Russia.
      "This decision has already been made by the Prime Minister that we are terminating military cooperation with the Russian Federation," said First Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Vitaliy Yarema at a meeting with regional media on Friday in Kiev. He explained that it is impossible to produce products for Russia, which can then be directed against Ukraine.

      So maybe the T-50 will not fly without fat now? crying
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 4 2014 15: 17
    +16
    It is worth wishing only success to our electronic engineers, aircraft builders, and generally to all defense engineers !!! Go Russia!!!
    1. Siberian19
      Siberian19 April 4 2014 15: 29
      +29
      love this video!
      1. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. April 4 2014 17: 48
        +4
        Interestingly, the F-22 can fly sideways ???
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 4 2014 20: 45
          +15
          F-22, respected Patriot.ru, a proud bird, until you kick, will not fly sideways ...
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        2. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch April 5 2014 01: 52
          0
          Quote: Patriot.ru.
          Interestingly, the F-22 can fly sideways ???


          ... and even cancer laughing
      2. Saburov
        Saburov April 5 2014 00: 04
        0
        We wanted the best, but it turned out .... even better !!!
    2. Argon
      Argon April 4 2014 15: 37
      +7
      I join, guys, without hurrying, hurrying, we need such a "papelatz". Yes, the Indians will be milked mercilessly, and the milk will end, they should be cut, which means the money is over? "sermons" which were spread here in winter. laughing
    3. Fucknato
      Fucknato April 4 2014 16: 06
      +5
      There are hundreds of such and more modern ones.
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 4 2014 15: 18
    +3
    waiting ... waiting ... good hi
  4. RUSS
    RUSS April 4 2014 15: 21
    +6
    Recently there was an article about helicopters where the topic of painting airborne equipment was touched upon, I think that the most acceptable camouflage is the one on the photo -T 50, and by the way the stars are dotted, not disguising, but still recognizable red and not as "bulky" as on other equipment of the Russian Air Force ...
    1. Tretyakov
      Tretyakov April 4 2014 22: 32
      -1
      Purely my opinion, but in my opinion today the color, especially of high-altitude aircraft, does not matter. Everything is on the radar, and what color is it if it does not respond to "friend or foe", completely on the side! Purely the eye will please the whole color! But, there should be red stars on the wings, and big ones!
  5. konvalval
    konvalval April 4 2014 15: 21
    +3
    The farther, the more joyful.
  6. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you April 4 2014 15: 23
    +7
    On the second photo from below, it looks just lovely for the eyes. Designers, credit and honor !!! Some of our "friends" are already drooling ...
  7. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 4 2014 15: 23
    +11
    Great news even for Friday! Immediately I remembered a good old joke that was walking here, how an employee of the research institute in the lean years painted his Zhiguli with a similar composition, and the traffic policeman could not detect them with a radar good
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    2. alexng
      alexng April 4 2014 15: 54
      +7
      What the hell! Cool idea. It is necessary to launch in Komsomolsk-on-Amur a series of cars that are hardly noticeable and with smart skin. In demand would be awful. good A joke, but nice.
      ... whack ... past the traffic cop, and he was bewildered:
      - A-ah, what uh-that was?
      1. alean245
        alean245 April 4 2014 16: 04
        +4
        It will also be possible to interfere with police radars. laughing
      2. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson April 4 2014 17: 19
        +1
        Quote: alexneg
        run in a series of inconspicuous and smart-skinned cars.

        Uh-huh, we have "gallium arsenide nanoheterostructures" covering, for export to Geyropa we will supply cars only on the basis of nanoMONOstructures. Let's put the export letter "E" and that's it.
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 4 2014 18: 55
      +3
      And he moved drunk on a section of engines drunk, so that all the paint was torn off by a stream when he switched to the third? Well, I remember ... he still fired the wagon with a braking parachute. In the Bryansk region, where he finally managed to stay, then he fumbled for a long time at his own penny, remembering that the gunsmiths also thumped nearby, and therefore was very afraid to turn on the dipped beam ...
    4. Revolver
      Revolver April 4 2014 23: 41
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      good old anecdote, how an employee of the research institute in the lean years painted his Zhiguli with a similar composition, and the traffic policeman could not detect them with a radar
      By the way, you can't order a couple of cans of such color? And then the cops got really crazy, hung up signs "25" on my way to work, well, it became so disgusting to drive. crying And after all, the guard is on guard, only this week I saw 3 cases as someone reckless for exceeding the area.
  8. mrDimkaP
    mrDimkaP April 4 2014 15: 24
    +4
    They have been talking about this in the news for a long time, but they embellished it (or simply incorrectly formulated) so that I did not believe it.
  9. Siberian19
    Siberian19 April 4 2014 15: 26
    +6
    Rather, it would be already in mass production, otherwise we got these mongrels with my pack, puff near the border! You look and become quiet! am
  10. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky April 4 2014 15: 30
    +3
    Some of our "friends" are already drooling ...

    And not just drool! laughing
  11. horoh
    horoh April 4 2014 15: 31
    +5
    News CLASS !!!! We look forward to the results from further tests, the fact that the radar is completely our elemental base is a very good indicator !!!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo April 4 2014 15: 47
      +18
      Quote: horoh
      CLASS News

      even some good


      quote-The leading enterprise for the creation of a radio-electronic system for PAK FA is Research Institute of Instrument Engineering Tikhomirovaincluded in KRET


      1. zvereok
        zvereok April 4 2014 17: 07
        +4
        I already ... A magnificent flight !!. Where are the NATO irons !!! IT IS NECESSARY to prepare IDEAL pilots for such a technique while it is not enough, and they will already teach their followers.
  12. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 4 2014 15: 37
    +14
    Urgently need to accelerate the pace.
    Outside again 1939 .....
  13. Vtel
    Vtel April 4 2014 15: 38
    +3
    Thank God we can if we want and it pleases.
  14. erased
    erased April 4 2014 15: 40
    +4
    That’s exactly the answer will be NATO aviation in neighboring six countries. Now I would build up strength and then it would be a little calmer.
  15. Mystic rhythm
    Mystic rhythm April 4 2014 15: 42
    +10
    The radar is built entirely on the Russian element base based on nanoheterostructures

    I was especially pleased with the presence of "nanoHETEROSTRUCTURES", nifiga did not understand what kind of beast it was, but in the light of our adherence to traditional values ​​it sounds nice. laughing
  16. RUSS
    RUSS April 4 2014 15: 43
    +5
    Quote: Gagarin
    Outside again 1939 .....


    Yes, it looks like you're right.
  17. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you April 4 2014 15: 49
    +7
    And this. "Pregnant Dachshund-Tink", in Chinese ... lol
    1. lpd1
      lpd1 April 4 2014 17: 50
      +1
      It looks like a dachshund, well done, well noticed smile
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    3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 4 2014 20: 47
      +2
      Dear Smiles to you!
      So not good. In Russia, the attitude to the wretched was always special ... laughing
      1. Smiles to you
        Smiles to you April 5 2014 01: 09
        +1
        Sorry, I’ll be corrected .. Since u ... hi
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  18. ty60
    ty60 April 4 2014 15: 50
    +8
    only its completely elemental base gives a guarantee of the production of the necessary quantity of weapons in war conditions and real isolation from the rest of the world. Those who are capable of betraying allies will certainly betray. You need to count ONLY for your real capabilities
  19. PROXOR
    PROXOR April 4 2014 15: 57
    +3
    What about the engines for this plane? Flight patterns fly on old. When will the engine that you planned be ready?
    1. Lazy
      Lazy April 4 2014 16: 05
      +2
      It interests me too ... I would like news
    2. Mystic rhythm
      Mystic rhythm April 4 2014 16: 29
      +3
      "Work on the creation of a second stage engine for the Russian fifth generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA project) is being successfully completed and will be completed by 2017"
      http://vz.ru/news/2013/2/21/621486.html
  20. Serega Valentinovich
    Serega Valentinovich April 4 2014 16: 04
    +3
    I can look at this car endlessly and not find anything superfluous in it. Awesome beauty plane! The best in the world!
  21. cucun
    cucun April 4 2014 16: 07
    +4
    In the year 15 should go ... Ugh, that would not jinx .... :)
  22. Alexey M
    Alexey M April 4 2014 16: 12
    +4
    Quote: Serega Valentinovich
    I can look at this car endlessly and not find anything superfluous in it. Awesome beauty plane! The best in the world!

    They say only perfect things can be truly beautiful.
    1. Vedmed_23
      Vedmed_23 April 4 2014 16: 25
      +4
      Well, it happened, this T-50 radar system was announced only 2 years ago. Progress on the face, the language did not shake, but did. The young people respect. hi
  23. Gunsmith
    Gunsmith April 4 2014 16: 24
    +2
    [media = http: // http: //youtu.be/6OPmBImx4oA]
    Watch the video - there’s nothing to add. Their * Raptor *, compared with our samples, died at the design stage, the same can be said about other weapons! ..
  24. Gregazov
    Gregazov April 4 2014 16: 40
    +11
    In 1995 graduated from post-graduate studies at the WWA named after Zhukovsky. My leader, Lieutenant General Kutakhov V.P., asked to help the guys in the layout of the report on the concept of BCBO (basic complex of onboard equipment). The concept implied four stages of development of airborne REA. The last, final stage involved the creation of broadband transceiver modules connected to the on-board computer with the refusal to separate the REO into navigation, radar and communication equipment. Judging by the article, the implementation of the last stage has begun. It's nice that the chosen direction was correct.
  25. typhoon7
    typhoon7 April 4 2014 16: 58
    +5
    NIIP is the purest gold of the defense industry, it must be nurtured and expanded. It is gratifying to hear that avionics are already being tested on machines. We look forward to the success of the Institute employees, pilots, and technical personnel with the handsome T-50. good
  26. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 4 2014 17: 04
    +4
    By the way, why is the "tail" (sorry if I call it wrong) at side # 51 different from the rest? Somebody knows? Here at MAKS-2013 the same thing:
    1. Signaller
      Signaller April 4 2014 17: 15
      +6
      Radar rear view. Not everyone has it.
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    3. PLO
      PLO April 4 2014 17: 52
      +5
      this is an anti-stop parachute
    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 4 2014 20: 48
      +9
      The male, however ...
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    6. Kair501
      Kair501 April 4 2014 20: 55
      +1
      this is an anti-blocking parachute
    7. Andrew 58
      Andrew 58 April 4 2014 22: 21
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      By the way, why is the "tail" (sorry if I call it wrong) at side # 51 different from the rest? Somebody knows? Here at MAKS-2013 the same thing:


      This he released a sting :)
  27. Eydolon
    Eydolon April 4 2014 17: 19
    +3
    this thing sees with skin, and is reliable as a Kalash
  28. LIS 25
    LIS 25 April 4 2014 17: 19
    +1
    We’re not waiting for the troops.
  29. Signaller
    Signaller April 4 2014 17: 31
    .
    Yes, wait. Just think, this is another bullshit. Such machines for war are not made. So dust let the enemy in peacetime. A machine for several billion is nonsense. When the Yak 130 will completely fit or MIG 21-MIG 29, SU-27 upgraded. Especially if there are optoelectronic sights. What is the difference between a STELS plane or an ordinary pelvis - A mark and a missile will leave for its intended purpose and will not be struck from being displayed on the monitor through the radar and headlight, but specifically by pointing it VISUALLY. It remains only to SEE. Yes, and such t-50s, well, they will do 10-20 pieces ??? For our defense, a penny. Pilots are units. will prepare. So do not flatter yourself.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 4 2014 17: 36
      +4
      Do not talk nonsense. The Yak-130 is generally not suitable for real battles, the stealth gives a solid advantage in the detection range.
      1. Signaller
        Signaller April 4 2014 17: 56
        -7
        DO NOT LA. Everything is much cooler there. 3000 kg of load for what is needed ??? At the 130th A STELS ??? Yes, at night, all type = top. By day, this is already a grandmother for two said. And to look for a STELS fighter in the sky ??? of course you can, but there is no one canceled the guidance from the radar from the ground .. Yes, and on the fighters themselves there is everything .. Only everything is fleeting there.
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak April 4 2014 21: 56
          +1
          Quote: Signaller
          Such machines for war are not made.

          Here are the workhorses of war
        2. patsantre
          patsantre April 4 2014 22: 47
          +1
          Well, why do you need this 130th / MiG-21, when any 4th generation fighter will detect and shoot it from a long distance with impunity, and in close combat, if it comes to it, it does it by maneuverability. While this 4th generation will shoot the 5th with much more powerful radars and less EPR. And in melee, the 5th usually surpasses the 4th.
          Similarly to ground strikes, these old Migi and Yak-130 can’t take a decent amount of weapons, they don’t have normal reconnaissance and aiming equipment, they will remove them from the sky like seeds, because of reduced visibility, electronic warfare, armor or something yet, they can’t boast.
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      3. Fiero
        Fiero April 4 2014 18: 01
        0
        Quote: patsantre
        Yak-130 is generally not suitable for real battles

        The Yak-130 can become a light strike fighter.
      4. Signaller
        Signaller April 4 2014 18: 02
        0
        Yes, for 200 km. will not see because of the small EPR. but for 20 km then for sure. Only you have to be ready to attack. And then a matter of technology.
      5. Signaller
        Signaller April 4 2014 18: 02
        +1
        Yes, for 200 km. will not see because of the small EPR. but for 20 km then for sure. Only you have to be ready to attack. And then a matter of technology.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz April 4 2014 18: 00
      +5
      Yes Yes. Only about the IL-2 forgotten, but he is generally a THING. Just the same "raptor killer"
      1. Fiero
        Fiero April 4 2014 18: 19
        0
        Hindus, Chinese, Vietnamese, Croats still use 21 and we could also ... Save at least part of the MiG-27, Su-17 and later MiG-23.
        1. Mainbeam
          Mainbeam April 4 2014 21: 29
          +2
          In vain they kicked Pocek. Mig-21 is a good maneuverable machine. For India, it was modernized and re-equipped in Nizhny Novgorod. Of the 2 generation aircraft, they made the 4, i.e. brought to the level of F-16.

          During modernization, the MiG-21bis fighter received a new armament control system with a multifunctional “Spear” radar, helmet-mounted target designation system, information display equipment based on a modern indicator on the windshield and a multifunction display
          1. Fiero
            Fiero April 4 2014 22: 10
            0
            I meant it. Maybe just not quite correctly expressed the idea. At the same MiG-27, the potential for modernization was clearly higher than that of the MiG-21. Here it really could bring to the level of F-16 / Gripen / Mirage 2000.
            But alas, they destroyed it and sent it to "storage"
    3. Saburo
      Saburo April 5 2014 01: 32
      0
      Yeah, the MiG-21 in Yugoslavia and during the Gulf War were losing to NATO aviation because they had the wrong sights, and not because it was morally and physically outdated. For example, in Yugoslavia, they shot down as much as one Tamogavk. But at the same time, 33 aircraft did not even try to take off and were destroyed on the ground.
  30. Oml
    Oml April 4 2014 17: 31
    +4
    Н036 is a Russian small-sized aviation radar station with an active phased array antenna, developed by NIIP for promising fifth-generation aviation systems. It is part of the Sh-121 radar complex, which includes, in addition to the front-view antenna system Н036, the L-range antenna system Н036L-1-01 and the side-view antenna systems - Н036Б-1-01Л and Н036Б-1-01Б.
    Development

    The first full-size model of the new radar was first shown at MAKS-2007. The actual testing of the equipment began in 2008, when the first prototype was assembled.
    Also in production were two more prototypes of the new radar, which in 2011 is planned to be installed on the flight models of the fifth generation fighter. At the 2009 International Aviation and Space Salon, a prototype radar with AFAR was shown. Flight tests of the new phased array antenna will begin in 2011 on the third and fourth PAK FA flight models.
    In 2012, 20 flights were performed with the AFAR test.
    TECH SPECS

    Source
    According to some reports, a significant part of the technologies used on the H035 Irbis will be used in the H036 radar, most of the characteristics are still unknown.
    Number of PPM: 1526 pcs
    Antenna blade size: 700 × 900 mm

    N036
    Appointment aviation (onboard) multifunctional radar with AFAR
    Nationality Russia
    NIIP Developer
    Status Passes Flight Tests
    Units produced 4 (2012)
    Included in PAK FA



    AN / APG-77 is an American aircraft radar station with an active phased array antenna developed by Northrop Grumman for the fifth-generation fighter F-22 Raptor.
    The main advantage of the PAR is electronic control of the main lobe of the radiation pattern - there is no need for mechanical scanning, which simplifies the design and increases the reliability of operation. The AN / APG-77 antenna consists of 1500 transmitting and receiving elements. The APG-77 provides 120 ° hemisphere (± 60 °) horizontally and vertically.
    Northrop Grumman has produced more than 181 APG-77 radars (considering only the number of fighters on which this AFAR is installed). Most of the technologies used on the APG-77 are used in the APG-81, a radar with AFAR developed for the promising F-35 Lightning II fighters.
    Features

    Sources of
    Complex:
    Maximum detection range: up to 210 km (according to other sources, up to 270-300 km)
    Weight: 553,7 kg
    Power consumption: 16533 W
    Volume: 0,565 cubic meters
    Cooling air flow: 4,38 kg / min
    Coolant flow rate: 33,9 l / min
    Antenna array:
    Diameter AFAR: 0,813 m
    weight: 219,1 kg
    Volume: 0,275 m³
    Power Dissipation: 8278 W
    Coolant flow rate: 11,3 l / min
    Evaluation

    Overhaul life (MTBF) over 450 hours
    AN / APG-77
    Appointment aviation (onboard) multifunctional radar with AFAR
    US nationality
    Developer Northrop Grumman
    Start of operation 2005
    Status in use
    Units produced more than 166
    Included in the F-22 Raptor
  31. avovsm.ru
    avovsm.ru April 4 2014 18: 08
    -2
    I wonder where to place the weapon inside ?, there is no "belly" like the F22 in the T50.
    1. wizarden
      wizarden April 4 2014 21: 00
      +7
      We carefully look at the bottom and find the flaps for two (!) Inner compartments of weapons.
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      2. Cherdak
        Cherdak April 4 2014 22: 14
        +5
        Quote: wizarden
        I wonder where to place the weapon inside ?, there is no "belly" like the F22 in the T50.

        Is it more intelligible?
    2. ak64
      ak64 April 4 2014 21: 03
      +2
      There is no abdomen and, thank God!
      Dumplings eat, not Russia barking “hot dogs” ...
  32. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 4 2014 18: 29
    +5
    Haste is not needed here. It’s better to wait an extra year to get a plane rehearsed in all respects than to get a half-wrapped car, and then destroy equipment and pilots. Well, to be precise, we should get out not a plane, but a fairy tale.
  33. Chever
    Chever April 4 2014 18: 56
    +2
    Haste is not needed here. It’s better to wait an extra year to get a plane rehearsed in all respects than to get a half-wrapped car, and then destroy equipment and pilots. Well, to be precise, we should get out not a plane, but a fairy tale.

    I agree with you. It’s better to finish it properly so that then there’s no headache ...
  34. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov April 4 2014 18: 57
    +1
    Who is there constantly mouths that on REV we are hopelessly behind ???
    1. Smiles to you
      Smiles to you April 4 2014 19: 17
      +1
      Even if someone is developing lol as you put it. Do not be so aggressive to perceive. Everyone has the right. to your opinion. With u ...
  35. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov April 4 2014 18: 58
    +1
    Yes, the same Su-35С will give odds to the raptor in avionics!
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 4 2014 22: 50
      -3
      Give arguments? Su-35 is 10 years younger, and there is no AFAR even, for example.
      F-35 will give odds to both of them on avionics. Yes, and the T-50th too ... second only to the power and number of radars.
      1. patsantre
        patsantre April 5 2014 12: 17
        0
        There is nothing to answer, except for the minuses, clowns.
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak April 5 2014 23: 21
          0
          Quote: patsantre
          There is nothing to answer, except for the minuses, clowns.
  36. kelevra
    kelevra April 4 2014 19: 10
    +1
    If you have already assembled such a unique aircraft, you can no doubt pump the skin!
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. April 4 2014 20: 06
      0
      They pump the skin into our TsAGI.
  37. ak64
    ak64 April 4 2014 19: 37
    0
    Compare)))
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin April 4 2014 20: 01
      +3
      even a su-35 abruptly can !!!!!!
      1. ak64
        ak64 April 4 2014 20: 09
        -1
        We are comparing, but they are poor ...
        What to take from the wretched?
        Only emotions!
        Yes, and those wretched)))
    2. Tiamat2702
      Tiamat2702 April 4 2014 20: 37
      +4
      ))) when watching this video, the impression was that the American pilot tried to fulfill the VP figures that our generation 4 ++ fighters performed, and even earlier ones (Pugachev’s cobra, bell, 360 degrees rotation around the transverse axis, etc. ), but even a beginner can see that the raptor’s potency in super-maneuverability still does not reach ours: for example, rotation around the transverse axis is only 180 degrees, after which the plane had to be bluntly directed in the opposite direction .... yes, you yourself see everything .
      1. ak64
        ak64 April 4 2014 21: 14
        0
        Of course we see, that's why we spread it!
      2. 0255
        0255 April 4 2014 21: 50
        +8
        Quote: Tiamat2702
        ))) when watching this video, the impression was that the American pilot tried to fulfill the VP figures that our generation 4 ++ fighters performed, and even earlier ones (Pugachev’s cobra, bell, 360 degrees rotation around the transverse axis, etc. ), but even a beginner can see that the raptor’s potency in super-maneuverability still does not reach ours: for example, rotation around the transverse axis is only 180 degrees, after which the plane had to be bluntly directed in the opposite direction .... yes, you yourself see everything .

        so the Americans consider super-maneuverability unnecessary, they rely on long-range missiles and stealth. They think that the F-22 or F-35 will be the first to detect the enemy and shoot him down at a long distance. Read about the raptor's close-range training fights - it looks like he hasn't won a single training dogfight.
        1. nikolaxp
          nikolaxp April 5 2014 11: 47
          0
          There was always a question why it is not taken into account, the fact that in real combat operations F22 will be detected first, for example, by numerous ground-based radars and air defense systems connected to an extensive network, the information from which will immediately arrive to planes that will see it long before f22 himself will be able to see them.
          Or another option, work in electronic warfare, when all systems are jammed and it will be possible to detect the enemy only visually, having entered into close combat with him.
          It seems that all this pseudo-invisibility and low ESR is only for banana republics, and modern radars and satellite systems in developed countries detect such aircraft without tension even on the runway.
          1. 0255
            0255 April 5 2014 21: 25
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            nikolaxp, I apologize, accidentally put you a minus (((
            nikolaxp RU Today, 11:47 ↑
            There was always a question why it is not taken into account, the fact that in real combat operations F22 will be detected first, for example, by numerous ground-based radars and air defense systems connected to an extensive network, the information from which will immediately arrive to planes that will see it long before f22 himself will be able to see them.
            Or another option, work in electronic warfare, when all systems are jammed and it will be possible to detect the enemy only visually, having entered into close combat with him.

            Maybe the Americans fervently believe that their F-22, like the F-35, can in no way be detected either from the ground or from the "aircraft" radar? And the fact that on their 5th generation flying irons there is such a cool avionics that it is absolutely impossible to drown out with any electronic warfare system? laughing
            nikolaxp RU Today, 11:47 ↑
            It seems that all this pseudo-invisibility and low ESR is only for banana republics, and modern radars and satellite systems in developed countries detect such aircraft without tension even on the runway.

            name at least one war involving the F-22. The Americans wanted to apply it in Libya, but refused. The same F-15E, F-16, F / A-18 and A-10 are fighting against the banana republics. Here are the "wars" where the F-22 took part lol :

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  38. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 4 2014 20: 03
    +2
    Quote: Signaller
    Yes, wait. Just think, this is another bullshit. Such machines for war are not made. So dust let the enemy in peacetime. A machine for several billion is nonsense.


    Someone who doesn’t like something in our country, we don’t need your maliciousness from the side or from around the corner, and be careful, we can poison ourselves with our own poison. And you need to let the dust in your eyes and in advance so that the enemy sees our weapons and I was afraid even to blather against it. And what is expensive is the first copies, they will get cheaper on the stream. I don’t know who you are and where, the USSR flag is on the avatar, but the fact that you are an enemy of Russia is not visible with an armed look. I don’t know, maybe I’ll be taught minuses for these words, but I hope not. Maybe I'm wrong, but I’m proud of my country and will not allow me to talk badly about it, we all know that not everything is perfect with us, much needs to be changed. rose from her knees, people rallied around their leader, and you and others like you barking from the gateway, are ready to vulgarize everything, trample all the good things in our country into the dirt, you won’t succeed. Remember and tell others. Forgive people for the verbosity pent.
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. April 4 2014 20: 29
      0
      We did not kneel, we focused.
    2. pilot8878
      pilot8878 April 4 2014 22: 01
      0
      Dust is not necessary to start, it is necessary to get up and flog the whole herd. Dust was released in the second half of the 30s. It was very expensive in 1939 in Karelia. We got up - they gave 3,14 stars to the dates, but by this time our shortcomings were revealed and clearly demonstrated.
    3. snik57
      snik57 April 4 2014 23: 37
      +2
      We are RUSSIAN and let the enemy remember forever that only then we kneel when we kiss the RUSSIAN FLAG!
  39. Patriot.ru.
    Patriot.ru. April 4 2014 20: 04
    0
    Deck. On it, cut firewood and he can’t plan sideways! Like PAK-FA. We made them again.
    1. ak64
      ak64 April 4 2014 20: 15
      -1
      They did not do themselves, but we them! With just one finger ...
      1. patsantre
        patsantre April 4 2014 22: 53
        0
        They have 2 fifth generation fighters in the amount of almost 5 pieces in the troops. We have only a few prototypes. And where did we make them? Stop bullshitting.
  40. Anatoli_kz
    Anatoli_kz April 4 2014 21: 08
    +2
    There was a video where an American production aircraft but with a thrust vector engine did the same thing no worse, and it also spun around its axis.
    I just don’t remember where this video is.
    Americans seem to have stated that in modern warfare there isn’t much sense in such tricks, but there are a lot of problems with such engines.
    So such an advantage is doubtful when they have a cloud of aircraft and are sharpened for long-range shooting.
    1. ak64
      ak64 April 4 2014 21: 25
      0
      Problem…
      If you are not forever!
      That is not endless)))
    2. pilot8878
      pilot8878 April 4 2014 22: 06
      +1
      "War with little blood, but on foreign territory"? Have already passed. In the case of banana republics, this will work, but there, too, the technique can be used older. In the event of a big war, the more perfect the plane, the more situations it will save the pilot and complete the task.
    3. shalk
      shalk April 4 2014 23: 01
      0
      Quote: Anatoli_kz
      Americans seem to have stated that in modern warfare there isn’t much sense in such tricks, but there are a lot of problems with such engines.


      "If you want to live, be able to turn around" (Senior Lieutenant Skvortsov, film Only "old men" go to battle, 1973 USSR)
  41. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz April 4 2014 21: 10
    0
    Here’s a weird one! The third one is on the way, by the end of the year there are still a couple of fully staffed ones! But, not so long ago, someone here said that the avionics of our Aviation-seams. 15 years behind! And where's that? So you understood your a gap in modern Russian electronics.
  42. wizarden
    wizarden April 4 2014 21: 25
    +1
    T-50 is the undoubted success of our aircraft industry. But you should not relax. The USA is already developing the 6th generation - combat drones, which are in no way inferior to the 5th generation fighters, and given the lack of a pilot and the uselessness of the related life support systems and restrictions on flight modes, they surpass them.
  43. AREOPAG23
    AREOPAG23 April 4 2014 21: 29
    0
    An excellent car, thanks to the designers, it would be more likely to be operational, except for the western borders, we should not forget about the eastern open spaces, the Chinese have recently added a lot in this direction.
  44. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz April 4 2014 22: 20
    0
    Quote: wizarden
    T-50 is the undoubted success of our aircraft industry. But you should not relax. The USA is already developing the 6th generation - combat drones, which are in no way inferior to the 5th generation fighters, and given the lack of a pilot and the uselessness of the related life support systems and restrictions on flight modes, they surpass them.

    The trouble is that funding for the further development of the 22nd has ceased. The requirements for 6th generation drones have not been voiced, although only the 3rd are flying now. Have you jumped? Even if you take into account the attempt to develop the 6th generation of fighters, many questions arise .First and tragic for the states-: where is your 5th generation? You cannot assimilate sopromat without knowing mathematics and physics.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 4 2014 22: 55
      -2
      F-22 and 35 what do you think?
      1. nikolaxp
        nikolaxp April 5 2014 12: 24
        0
        Quote: patsantre
        F-22 and 35 what do you think?

        This is a transition from the 4th generation to the 5th, we can say the first steps, but not the 5th generation, at least not what it seemed, as there are many shortcomings, inconsistencies in technical characteristics and capabilities. And some types of materials and systems that they wanted to use and use in 5th generation aircraft are still not produced.
  45. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 4 2014 23: 33
    0
    The most difficult thing is to catch up and overtake! Well, my eyes are afraid, but my hands are doing ... if only there hadn’t been, war!
  46. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz April 4 2014 23: 55
    0
    Quote: patsantre
    F-22 and 35 what do you think?

    There are completely different cars. The first has eternal problems, the second is the deck version, which the states are now trying to bet on. We will see if there is time.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 5 2014 12: 16
      0
      Did I say they are the same?
      The second - not only deck, there are 3 options, if that.
  47. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 5 2014 00: 27
    0
    I just want to cry ........... From pride
  48. old man 72
    old man 72 April 5 2014 02: 34
    +2
    The Russians have an excellent saying: Hurry up slowly, you will always succeed, and you will always do everything. So let them hurry up slowly, but the T-50 will turn out to be much better than the F-22 and F-35, and for us it is the most important thing.
  49. svp67
    svp67 April 5 2014 04: 28
    +3
    One can only be proud of our designers, engineers and workers ...
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