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Will Russia be able to trade oil and gas for rubles?

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Every year, Russia sells oil and gas abroad worth more than 200 billions of dollars. This more than impressive income over the past few years has been decisive for the more or less stable functioning of the Russian economy. With all the words that oil and gas dependency in the economic sector should be systematically disposed of, this deliverance itself is not persistently traced. On the one hand, the dependency itself is too great, on the other hand, there are no adequate precedents in the modern world, when a country deliberately rejected the “chicken” that carries the “golden eggs” for it (the oil share in Norway is more than strong , Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other states, and they somehow live with this, as they say ...).


Recently, the issue of the sale of hydrocarbons by Russia abroad has been discussed in a special way. Its peculiarity lies in the threats of sanctions, which against the Russian Federation are expressed and are trying to be implemented, mainly by Western countries. As soon as the so-called first waves of sanctions began to roll on Russia (and not so much economically as psychologically), Russian economists began to talk about the fact that the introduction of sanctions against the Russian Federation can and should be used safely. One of the directions is to oblige foreign buyers of our hydrocarbons to pay not in dollars, but in rubles. By the way, this idea cannot be called a new one - such thoughts have arisen before, but it is precisely today that the practical significance of this bold step truly manifests itself.

Will Russia be able to trade oil and gas for rubles?


Of course, if we consider a possible transition to the sale of oil and gas exclusively for rubles from a household (civilian) position, then such a transition can be represented by “our response to Chamberlain” - they say, for every tricky Western sanction, we will have an equally clever personal answer: we wanted to hit in our economy, and we take and knock a stool from under the feet of the American dollar. Such an approach to the essence of the question - an approach without any special deepening in economic laws - can be called patriotic, it can be called a shuffling, but still it is better to look at the situation, which is called, from different sides.

Yes - dollar hegemony in trade, namely the hegemony of currency, the security of which, to put it mildly, raises big questions - this is a real disease that has affected the entire global economy. But everyone already got used to this disease. They are afraid to treat it, considering that medical or surgical intervention in the existing system can be fatal. In general, the economy is sick, but there is ...

Today it turns out that 9 from 10 transactions with "black gold" are made in dollar settlements, which allows the American financial system to stay afloat. In fact, the picture is as follows: an overloaded ship called “American economy” already draws water from the sides, but the rest of the vessels (with smaller dimensions) are trying to support this giant with their sides. They understand that the gigantic vessel will not simply go under water - leaving, will cause such a gigantic funnel, into which many who in one way or another have to spin along with this “debtor-tanker” will cater.

The Russian economic system, due to the legislative base that was “recommended” to us “from there” in the early nineties, is currently also trying to expose its side to the American economy. At the same time, she herself often pretty sinking, cracking, but she still has to give herself to lean on this monumental, but full of holes.

How would an attempt to refuse to sell Russian hydrocarbons for US dollars look like in such a situation? In this situation, the Russian economic ship as if deviates from the American giant. And then there are several options. First: we have clear water, no “oil stains”, complete freedom of action, the ability to choose a route. And what about the American "ship"? This, as they say, is his problem - if others are enough forces and means to keep him afloat, then he will balance it, imitating economic stability and solidity, imitating a strong comradely shoulder, but if there is not enough, then ... a bad alternative: the star-striped vessel really starts to sink, dragging everyone around with you. Will Russia be able to move away from such a hypothetical whirlpool to a safe distance? With the level of dependence that is taking place today, it is unlikely, and it means that either you need to include full forward, or, as they say, and not at all ...

Is there any chance of going full ahead today? There are chances, but in order for them to be translated into reality it is impossible to chop from the shoulder. It is necessary to act swiftly, but at the same time without fever and hats. The fact is that in any attempt to move away from the “beloved” world of dollar dependence in the sale of oil and gas, Russia will meet with incredible resistance from the “partners”. Nobody wants to let it go from the American side, and if it does, it will obviously not be able to express its position openly - Big Brother can put it to the bottom - He does not like it when the world develops outside of his interests.

At one time (the beginning of 2000), the Iraqi leadership tried to switch to the sale of its hydrocarbons for the European currency. It is noteworthy that it was during this period that the second Iraq campaign of NATO took place, which led to certain consequences for both Saddam Hussein and for all of Iraq. Subsequently, talk about the sale of oil without reference to the dollar and went to the north of Africa. Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was determined to get rid of the influence of the dollar in the region by introducing a gold dinar, but "peaceful demonstrators" immediately appeared in Libya, and after them NATO bombers in the Libyan sky "with a flightless zone".

This should be a lesson learned for Russia, and knowledge, as we know, is power. The lesson is that it’s impossible to follow the path of Iraq or Libya. We need to work, let's say, on a different program. And such work should be based not on political statements (let them be at least three times attractive), but on economic expediency, conjugated and with big politics as well. Politics here is still put exactly in the background. The expediency is to give strength to the Russian ruble, to extract more profit from the sale of our own raw materials, given that our raw materials are in great demand on the world market, and to reduce our dependence on foreign critical days. To achieve such a goal, it is not enough to announce to everyone around that we are going to sell our oil and gas to them exclusively for our rubles. It is necessary to build a system in which such a sale for foreign buyers will also be attractive.

One of the points of such a system is the development of the Russian banking sector, especially in its foreign part, plus the creation of a Russian stock exchange that will sell oil only for rubles, starting from the domestic market. Today, even if some state in the world wants to buy "black gold" for the Russian currency, it is unlikely that it will just work out. Such a state will have to exchange its funds for rubles, losing on transactions. After all, the countries that buy gas and oil from Russia are unlikely to have accounts in rubles today (but they simply have to have accounts in dollars on the orders of the IMF, in which the United States has the largest share). This means that the main task of high-ranking Russian economists is that foreign buyers of Russian hydrocarbons have the opportunity to pay us in rubles, not only not having problems with the availability of rubles directly, but also realizing that this is simply profitable.
Perhaps, at first, it will somewhat reduce the price of oil, but it will stabilize the Russian ruble, which today throws it into heat or cold by just a click of the fingers in the White House and the US Federal Reserve. Already in the medium term, this may lead to a chain reaction of refusal and other countries from the calculations in unsecured dollars, which stabilizes the price of oil. Utopia? Hardly...

Another question is whether Russia will be given to promote such a position in the world? The answer from the liberal economists of the "Gaidar" wave: they say, it would be better not give to Russia itself did not go to the bottom. But somehow, less and less I want to listen to the opinion of these gentlemen, who at one time did everything that depends on them, so that with the presence of the enormous wealth of Russia, our economy would not suddenly become truly competitive. It turns out that you need to do everything to promote this position we were given. And this can be done first at the regional level, and then with the extension to those remote states that assess the economic viability of trading outside the dollar field. But for this you need to work, and not to engage in endless lamenting about what, maybe, everything will go all by itself, and Big Brother will become kinder and more sympathetic. Will not become!

Only own will, own work and rational approach to the implementation of the idea.
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  1. Name
    Name April 5 2014 08: 02
    +31
    For rubles can - with China and against .. USA.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 April 5 2014 08: 07
      +74
      Regarding rubles, a funny article, I just don’t understand, is it true or fake (false)?
      "Putin was just waiting for this. Since 2007, he has been trying to introduce an independent ruble financial system based on the real economy and resources of Russia, backed by its gold reserves. No more indulging in robbery and financial speculation. This completely peaceful step is actually a declaration of independence, and for On Wall Street, it is tantamount to a declaration of war. "
      A source:
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/putin-flushes-the-us-dollar-russias-gold-ruble-paym
      ents-system-delinked-from-dollar
      1. I do not care
        I do not care April 5 2014 08: 11
        +55
        If the article is not fake
        1. vlad63
          vlad63 April 5 2014 09: 07
          +77
          Everything will remain unchanged as long as the liberal policies determine the economic policy in Russia. The American government and the Central Bank are the main enemies of our development.
          1. elmi
            elmi April 5 2014 12: 02
            +18
            Will Russia be able to trade oil and gas for rubles?

            If there was a will, it could. Obviously, the transition to rubles and gold, in terms of oil and gas, is the last and strongest trump card to respond to Western sanctions or something else that is not profitable for us. The only question that arises is what should happen (because our Russian patience is unlimited) so that we get so tired - what would take us to take this step?
            1. VAF
              VAF April 5 2014 12: 07
              -3
              Quote: elmi
              Obviously, the transition to rubles and gold, in terms of oil and gas, is the last and most powerful trump card.


              It could be strong bargaining chip only if. if we had a strong economy, and now ..... crying ..Unfortunately request alone ... "words" recourse
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic April 5 2014 12: 34
                +30
                Quote: vaf
                This could be a strong trump card only if we had a strong economy, but now ... ... unfortunately, only ... "words"


                In general, in this case, the economy is not a decisive factor. The main thing is TRUST in the currency of the state in other countries (that is, securing debt obligations) and the presence of a market for the use of this currency, that is, the more solvent population and territories covered by the currency. The same economists have calculated that to obtain the status of world currency need a market with a population of not less than 300 million people. That is why Ukraine is so important with its 45 million population. Plus the BRICS country.
                But this TRUST can already be achieved in various ways (they are well known in the practice of promoting the dollar), which includes a strong economy, but again, as one of the factors, nothing more.

                The main value is debt or CONFIDENCE in DEBT. You may have the most wonderful production, but if you owe me more than its value, then it belongs to me indirectly through you. The main thing here is to have good collectors in the form:
                1. POWERFUL ARMY
                2. control: markets, transport routes, energy flows, financial flows.
                3. and manual international institutions: courts, press, rating agencies, etc.
                1. Ataman
                  Ataman April 5 2014 12: 44
                  +43
                  The article is a lot of nonsense!
                  "An overloaded vessel called the American Economy is already drawing water on its sides, but the rest of the ships (with smaller sizes) are trying to support this giant with their sides."
                  Nonsense, all states have long been buying up gold coins and other precious metals. Russia is preparing a transition to national currencies in settlements with the BRICS countries and China.

                  The collapse of the dollar will not destroy anyone but the American economy. The collapse of the Soviet ruble survived, heaps of inflation and denominations survived, and nothing bad happened. In Crimea, the price tags from the hryvnia to the ruble were copied in one day.
                  The sanctions imposed by America help us not even notice that wonderful moment when the American economy will drown.

                  At the bottom of a rotten American vessel!
                  1. dustycat
                    dustycat April 5 2014 16: 27
                    +17
                    Quote: Ataman
                    The article is a lot of nonsense!


                    Yes, in the capitalist economy there is a lot of nonsense.
                    For example, investment in business infrastructure is in the article losses and "too large" investments and investments in general in business development negatively affect the rating of the enterprise and its "market" value! Even if in the future it will bring more than 1000% profit and the value of assets increases!

                    The article was written by an economist at a western school.
                    According to their teachings, a currency is convertible when it has a free exchange rate. And it doesn’t matter if it has a demand in the foreign market.

                    But look at the yuan!
                    Free exchange rate? - No, the rate is tightly controlled by the Central Bank.
                    Is there demand in the foreign market? - Another one! The black market is strongly not in favor of the dollar and even the pound.
                    And it is accepted with pleasure at any bank in the world at a very definite rate.
                    It turns out the yuan - a freely convertible currency - and this is contrary to the Western school.
                    After all, it turns out that convertibility is a willingness to accept currency anywhere outside the issuer's country at the agreed rate.

                    And what about the ruble?
                    Is the course free? Almost yes.
                    Will he be accepted at any bank in the world? Hell no. A curious souvenir no more.
                    But after all, in the Western school, the ruble is a freely convertible currency.

                    So do not be too serious about the article.

                    As one Nobel laureate in economics said, “and somewhere in the musty offices of a seemingly slender and logically constructed building under the name of capitalist economy, suddenly there were some clever people who suddenly notice that such an outwardly harmonious and logical system rests on a purely false conclusion, on complete delirium and absurdity! In fact, nothing! "
                    And this is it about the fundamentals of the postulates of the economy of capitalism.
                    1. Motors1991
                      Motors1991 April 6 2014 15: 43
                      -4
                      For starters, the author would have to go to the market, say in Cherkizovo, and try to sell something there, but not for rubles, and there for shekels or Iranian rials, he will quickly make sure that he will not sell anything. then no one will buy your oil and gas for rubles, unless you sell very cheaply. Firstly, the ruble, like the hryvnia, is pegged to the dollar, i.e. it does not reflect the real state of the economy, so we often observe: prices are rising, and the ruble against the dollar is stable. Next, the yuan, I think, like advice The Russian ruble is tied to the economy of its state, the formula is: the amount of money should correspond to the sum of the prices of all goods, because until the Soviet ruble was pumped with petrodollars, it was highly valued in the West, although it was not convertible, there was an article of the criminal code for its illegal export. Russia's GDP and the GDP of the West: 1,7 trillion dollars against 31 trillion dollars, the difference is almost 20 times, in this situation, Russia will not establish its rules in this market, with all the desire, the economy does not allow. I'm not talking about such trifles that oligarchs for rubles no Ch lsi will not be sold in England, nor castles with yachts. Again, when the author is ironic over America, but this is 22% of world GDP, the closest competitor, China is 16% of world GDP, and he, together with united Europe, can compete for the world currency, but for some reason that does not do it.
                      1. Vasek
                        Vasek April 7 2014 19: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: Motors1991
                        nobody will buy your oil and gas for rubles, unless you sell it at very cheap prices.

                        You, motorastik, look at your hryvnia!
                        And then bragging about other people's achievements with their bare jop and fool can.
                      2. yulka2980
                        yulka2980 April 8 2014 07: 54
                        0
                        And now let's compare the external debt of the USA and Russia ... And it’s ridiculous to compare anything with Ukraine and your hryvnia ...
                  2. 31231
                    31231 April 5 2014 17: 58
                    +2
                    The article is a lot of nonsense!
                    "An overloaded vessel called the American Economy is already drawing water on its sides, but the rest of the ships (with smaller sizes) are trying to support this giant with their sides."
                    Nonsense, all states have long been buying up gold coins and other precious metals. Russia is preparing a transition to national currencies in settlements with the BRICS countries and China.


                    I also think that Alexey’s article is weak.
                    By the way, our Far East countries are already trading with China for their national currencies. A full transition to such relations will depend on the volume of trade. And it is not far off. According to the BRICS, it is more difficult, Brazil and South Africa are too distant from three other colleagues in the community.
                  3. old man 72
                    old man 72 April 5 2014 22: 43
                    +2
                    I agree with you Ataman, for the whole 1000 !!! I would try a plus, but I still can’t, I'm sorry.
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                  5. PureGUN
                    PureGUN April 6 2014 22: 06
                    0
                    and I would like to touch the numbers (preliminary). mona%
                  6. silver_roman
                    silver_roman April 7 2014 12: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Ataman
                    The collapse of the dollar will destroy nothing but the American economy

                    I agree with you. All this talk about the collapse of everything and everything in the event of a collapse of the US economy has one source. you need to create a phobia in people so that no one even thinks about the default of the "hegemon". the practice is as old as the world. used very often by our Western "friends". In the same relationship between the RF and China. They are constantly trying to drive the grain of militancy and hostility, because understand that rapprochement is death for 3.14ndostan!
                2. dik-fort
                  dik-fort April 5 2014 15: 23
                  +11
                  Regarding the thesis of economists, "that in order to obtain the status of a world currency, a market with a population of at least 300 million is needed." small Switzerland with its Swiss franc, one of the most stable and reliable world currencies, can be cited as an example. And this reliability is formed both by its centuries-old banking history and by its gold reserves.
                3. I do not care
                  I do not care April 5 2014 18: 35
                  +3
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  Ascetic

                  Sorry, you can put + only one.
                  It is also a pity that you rarely go to the site or leave really short and succinct comments.
                4. Vasek
                  Vasek April 7 2014 19: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  The main thing here is to have good collectors in the form:
                  1. POWERFUL ARMY
                  2. control: markets, transport routes, energy flows, financial flows.
                  3. and manual international institutions: courts, press, rating agencies, etc.

                  I would also add: "powerful and reliable strategic partners"and alliances based on this partnership (without quotes).
                  NATO is already nervous about the creation of the Eurasian Union.
                  For the time being, the West does not consider BRICS to be a serious economic threat (thinking that it has enough levers of influence on its other members), but if the ruble acquires the reserve currency status, it could be a mistake!
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              3. alexng
                alexng April 5 2014 13: 37
                +41
                Quote: vaf
                This could be a strong trump card only if we had a strong economy, and now .....


                I apologize in advance for the harshness, but this applies, not so much to Sergey, as to those who constantly burn rubber over Russia and try to impose their inferiority on us.
                And what is the fifth economy in the world - this is not a trump card? And what, that we trade in oil and gas? When already this schiz and idiocy imposed by the West will leave on our heads. An economy, whatever it is, is an economy that is still constantly growing and has no debts. And stop flaunting your ignorance in this area. And even if the manufacturing sector reaches maximum heights, the oil and gas trade will still remain. Another thing is that we poorly use our geographical location, although work is being done in this direction. Enough of these defeatist moods. Russia has already become completely different and is dictating its terms to the world, although no one likes it. Now everything that the West does not undertake, first of all, it works against themselves. And it doesn’t matter what exactly this West is doing - there’s a countdown for it. They themselves launched their self-liquidator and the funniest thing is that they did it without anyone else's help.
                1. old man 72
                  old man 72 April 5 2014 22: 48
                  +1
                  I fully support you, Alexander Ivanovich !!!
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              4. dustycat
                dustycat April 5 2014 16: 07
                +8
                Quote: vaf
                This could be a strong trump card only if we had a strong economy, but now ... ... unfortunately, only ... "words"


                Either you understand a weak currency ("wooden" ruble) does not allow the economy to strengthen, then you understand a weak economy does not allow the ruble to strengthen.

                Maybe it's just time to do something with at least one of these points?

                If the economy is long and hard - you need at least 10 years of re-industrialization and a lot of investment - then with the currency you can do much easier, faster and cheaper.

                Just oblige at least in a few export articles to oblige to settle in rubles - for the same forest in the beginning, for example.
                It is also possible to oblige excise taxes and taxes on exported finances to pay in rubles - after all, it is no secret that most of the "exported" foreign exchange funds do not even cross the Russian border, even virtually - they immediately fly to offshores.

                So let’s even start with something.
          2. I do not care
            I do not care April 5 2014 18: 31
            0
            Quote: vlad63
            The pro-American government and the Central Bank are the main enemies of our development.

            our keyword hi
          3. timer
            timer April 6 2014 18: 58
            0
            I agree with your comment by 200%. I would also add an oligarchic comprador layer, for which the current enslaving dependence of Russia on a green candy wrapper is beneficial. I liked the article. The idea has a tremendous prospect for centuries to come! RIDING RUSSIA FROM WAYS CONTAINING YOU.
        2. atalef
          atalef April 5 2014 09: 41
          +1
          Quote: me by
          If the article is not fake

          Well, 200 billion trade is not something that can bury the dollar
          But in general, the question is - I suppose I want to buy oil for rubles (let’s say, this is Spain), but where can I get them?
          1. sv68
            sv68 April 5 2014 10: 30
            +7
            and that in Israel there are no currency exchanges banks do not sell you can come to us and buy here
            1. atalef
              atalef April 5 2014 10: 45
              +2
              Quote: sv68
              and that in Israel there are no currency exchanges banks do not sell you can come to us and buy here

              Baby talk - excuse me.
              You are either kidding or really do not understand what it is about?
              Will you carry 200bn (6 trillion rubles) in string bags?
              1. fif21
                fif21 April 5 2014 12: 21
                +19
                Quote: atalef
                Baby talk - excuse me.
                It is a sin not to take advantage of this situation. The article is correct. I would suggest another market move, companies buying raw materials from us FOR RUBLES provide a 3-5% discount. In order not to get into the funnel from the crash of the "US liner", you need to "dump" from this liner in time! Russia is not Libya, not Iraq, but a power with a nuclear umbrella. China buys raw materials for dollars, and makes stocks not in foreign currency, but in raw materials. Here's how it is, if compressed. And we can sell laughing
                1. Vasek
                  Vasek April 7 2014 19: 32
                  0
                  Quote: fif21
                  I would suggest one more market move for companies buying raw materials from us FOR RUBLES to provide a 3-5% discount.

                  The answer in the article:
                  To achieve such a goal, it is not enough to announce to everyone around that we are going to sell them our oil and gas exclusively for our own rubles. We need to build a system in which such a sale for foreign buyers will also be attractive.
                2. yulka2980
                  yulka2980 April 8 2014 08: 09
                  0
                  This is really a valid argument, because Europeans are essentially mean-spirited. They will buy anything for a discount lol
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              3. novobranets
                novobranets April 5 2014 13: 50
                +9
                Offer something sensible and Russia will buy for rubles, and you will spend these rubles on oil, etc.
                1. old man 72
                  old man 72 April 5 2014 22: 55
                  +3
                  That's it. Offer something valuable, and Russia will buy for rubles, and then for the same rubles, sell oil and gas. In short, everything depends on mutual agreement.
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              4. Kuzkin Batyan
                Kuzkin Batyan April 5 2014 14: 56
                +5
                As an option, Russia says that it needs this amount. Spain by any means acquires this and exchanges for oil.
              5. dustycat
                dustycat April 5 2014 16: 43
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                Will you carry 200bn (6 trillion rubles) in string bags?


                And so what?
                Are you very confident in yourself that then it will be needed exactly 6 trillion rubles?
                It is possible that the matter will be like the renminbi.
                Once yuan needed 40 times more than dollars, now it only needs six times more.
                And the situation is striving to ensure that very soon this figure will further decrease.
                So what prevents the ruble?
              6. 31231
                31231 April 5 2014 18: 04
                +6
                Absolutely no babble. It’s just that a man cited an exchanger as an example, or rather, there were bank accounts.
                Just wanting to buy oil, through the banks of the Russian Federation or international banks should exchange for rubles or other currency that is beneficial for the Russian Federation and him.
                The example is simple. Shekels are exchanged in banks for the ruble or dollar, euro, yuan and buy products and services of legal entities of the Russian Federation. In order for this to work, it is enough to interest the largest BRICS banks.
                The question is rather not that it would completely get away from the dollar, but that it would be replaced by other national currencies.
              7. ssergn
                ssergn April 6 2014 10: 49
                +4
                You also don't understand what you are saying. A foreign currency account is opened. In fact, the money on the account is virtual and when you want to get cash, then you will have to carry it in "bags". And interstate payments are made in non-cash payment.

                So everything is simple, an account is opened in the currency that is needed, and voila. Where to get rubles? Ischo easier - stupidly buy in the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. :-)))
                Yes, that's right. Just for this you need the agreement of both parties to the transaction, which, of course, is not easy.

                Something like this
              8. ATATA
                ATATA April 6 2014 19: 37
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Well, 200 billion trade is not something that can bury the dollar
                But in general, the question is - I suppose I want to buy oil for rubles (let’s say, this is Spain), but where can I get them?

                A straw breaks the ridge of a camel.
                And where does Russia get dollars?
                Quote: atalef
                Baby talk - excuse me.
                You are either kidding or really do not understand what it is about?
                Will you carry 200bn (6 trillion rubles) in string bags?

                And that Russia drags its 200 billion in bags?
                1. yulka2980
                  yulka2980 April 8 2014 08: 17
                  0
                  And that Russia drags its 200 billion in bags?
                  Once upon a time there was no trace of the dollar, but now it "walks" all over the world
              9. Vasek
                Vasek April 7 2014 19: 31
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Will you carry 200bn (6 trillion rubles) in string bags?

                The answer in the article:
                To achieve such a goal, it is not enough to announce to everyone around that we are going to sell them our oil and gas exclusively for our own rubles. We need to build a system in which such a sale for foreign buyers will also be attractive.
                One of the points of such a system is the development of the Russian banking sector, especially in its foreign part, plus - the creation of the Russian exchange, which will trade oil only for rubles, starting from the domestic market.
            2. dustycat
              dustycat April 5 2014 16: 37
              -8
              Quote: sv68
              you can come to us and buy here


              And, excuse me, why did he need kaike in Israel then rubles when there is a shekel that will be accepted in any port tavern, unlike the ruble?

              The ruble - while supposedly freely convertible - simply will not be accepted for payment anywhere except Russia.

              Another thing is the yuan or the shekel. They will be accepted in any tavern at a completely normal rate and exchanged at any bank in the world for any currency.

              The dollar / ruble pair is available only in the Russian forex segment and on the domestic exchanges of Russia.

              Because it is simply useless for settlements abroad.

              But there will be goods that can be profitably bought for rubles and sold for shekels or dollars or pounds or yuan - then he will need it.
              Then the ruble will be accepted in any tavern in the world as a payment document.
              In the meantime, the ruble is just a fun souvenir.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac April 6 2014 00: 16
                +4
                Quote: dustycat
                The ruble - while supposedly freely convertible - simply will not be accepted for payment anywhere except Russia.

                Kazakhstan? Belarus? Shekel will also not be accepted in Russia, each country has its own currency.
                Quote: dustycat
                In the meantime, the ruble is just a fun souvenir.

                A funny souvenir, three cents apiece. And there is such a souvenir, the brain is called. Also, not all in demand.
                1. dustycat
                  dustycat April 10 2014 18: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Shekel will not be accepted in Russia either, each country has its own currency

                  Have you tried it?
                  In some regions of Russia there is a fair black shekel market.
                  Himself surprised, yes.
                  Even in the Kemerovo region it can be changed not only in Sberbank.
                  And about port taverns modestly keep silent.

                  Quote: Setrac
                  A funny souvenir, three cents apiece. And there is such a souvenir, the brain is called. Also, not all in demand.

                  Self-critical.
                  Can you exchange one hundred rubles for one drink in the port of Singapore?
              2. ssergn
                ssergn April 6 2014 10: 54
                +3
                This commodity will suddenly become raw materials, just as suddenly Crimea became again Russian.
              3. yulka2980
                yulka2980 April 8 2014 08: 21
                0
                Well, it’s just that in Russia your shekel can only be wiped out .. in the port toilet too.
            3. silver_roman
              silver_roman April 7 2014 12: 34
              +1
              they can buy something, but it’s not about buying a car, but a huge amount of oil. it's like a little jerboa trying to swallow a whole watermelon !!! need to adjust the legislative framework.
              As mentioned earlier, the CBR does not belong to the state, therefore, the amount of liquidity (amount of money) is not regulated by the RF. this is all an eternal question of the nationalization of the ruble and the central bank. if they amend the constitution and do a really big job, then there will be rubles.
              1. Suvorov
                Suvorov April 7 2014 22: 04
                0
                Quote: silver_roman
                The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is not owned by the state, therefore the amount of liquidity (amount of money) is not regulated by the Russian Federation.


                Who do you think it belongs to? The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is a 100% state-owned organization and operates on the basis of the law "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation", transfers the profit received from the placement of reserves to the budget of the Russian Federation. But the Government of the Russian Federation and the Prime Minister really does not obey. But the parliament and the president have influence on him, since they appoint the Chairman and the Board of Directors of the Central Bank. For the rest, the Central Bank is independent as an autonomous organization, but is obliged to carry out an agreed national strategy.
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          2. avt
            avt April 5 2014 10: 47
            +19
            Quote: atalef
            But in general, the question is - I suppose I want to buy oil for rubles (let’s say, this is Spain), but where can I get them?

            Just don't include a kindergarten. Technically, this can be solved once. But! What then to do with the amersky Reichs Thaler? After all, this is the last real security of the Fed's papers - trading in the most popular energy commodity. After all, it was for this right - to conduct world trade in amerskiye dolars and destroyed the USSR, killed the same Muammar, who from a passionate kiss and handshake, at one point turned into a fiend of hell, as soon as he hinted about the golden dinar for the countries of Africa and the Levant, followed by and Mubarak thundered into the prison hospital. After all, this automatically introduces the ruble from the category of "wooden" into a number of reserve world currencies, at least during the USSR. I very much doubt that they will be allowed to do this without a real war.
            1. atalef
              atalef April 5 2014 12: 06
              -12%
              Quote: avt
              But! What then to do with the Amer Reichs taller?

              Indeed - this is where the dog rummaged. What to do with bucks? Do you need to sell rubles for something?

              Quote: avt
              After all, this automatically introduces the ruble from the category of "wooden" into a number of reserve world currencies, at least from the times of the USSR

              During the USSR, it was neither a reserve currency, nor simply convertible, nor even partially convertible.
              In general, the word Bona and the Checks of the Foreign Trade Poster - what are they talking about?

              Quote: avt
              I strongly doubt that they will let me do it without a real war.

              And what about the war?
              1. avt
                avt April 5 2014 12: 26
                +14
                Quote: atalef
                Do you need to sell rubles for something?

                And for Toto, at least for the energy that we mine.
                Quote: atalef
                In general, the word Bona and the Checks of the Foreign Trade Poster - what are they talking about?

                About a lot, in particular that money in the USSR was not in words, but in fact tied to a very specific volume of goods and the availability of gold foreign exchange reserves, which, honestly, was written on money, from a ruble to a five - a credit card of the USSR State Bank, provided with all goods on the territory of the USSR and bank notes - from a chervonets to hundreds, provided with all the assets of the USSR State Bank. Here, in order to tightly control the money supply, checks were introduced that were not allowed into a single space, but were limited by the Beryozka network. And there was also a ruble for settlements with the CMEA countries and the Cap countries, just look at the history of evolution from the “golden chervonets” at the dawn of Soviet power. What actually was finally finished off by Pavlov's monetary reform and pegging to the USA dollar, but then under Gaidar and his followers, everything started with leaps and bounds. And the first attempts were made after the Second World War with the notorious Marshal plan.
                Quote: atalef
                And what about the war?
                And as in Libya, when Muamor, having enlisted the support of Mubarak, seriously started talking about the “Golden Dinar” rigidly tied to the presence of gold in the issuer of colored paper. And this whole system of obtaining a gesheft out of nothing was overturned at once. unnecessary conversations.
                Quote: Aleksandr65
                Spain sells its goods in Russia for rubles and buys goods in Russia for these rubles

                Yes, and Finland, too.
                1. kerosene
                  kerosene April 5 2014 17: 15
                  +7
                  In the USSR, there was a very specific "foreign exchange" ruble for international settlements, backed by gold and foreign exchange reserves.
                  1. Suvorov
                    Suvorov April 5 2014 22: 15
                    +8
                    Humpback destroyed the CMEA (Council for Mutual Economic Assistance) along with its "transferable ruble" by his vague policy and hasty transition to settlements in dollars. That would be a market: 500 million people and a real alternative to the dollar! And there was a power component - the Warsaw Pact. Nobody would "gouge" like Libya and Iraq. People in Eastern Europe initially hoped to maintain economic ties, but then spat and began to "surrender" to the West. And this "comrade" in the end also allowed the EBN to destroy the Soviet Union. At least half a century "threw" us in economic development. Yes, the Soviet economy was not ideal and had many vices, but under the guise of "perestroika", surrendering all geopolitical positions is nothing but treason.
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                2. zvereok
                  zvereok April 6 2014 13: 40
                  0
                  "And this whole system of getting gesheft out of nothing was overturned at once. So everything was democratized in the bud without any further ado."

                  Do you really think that only the USA receives a gesheft? I mean, you need to have colossal, political will and support from the people in order to try to overturn the internal Gesheftshchikov, at the moment Putin has it all. The main thing is that he should not be among these personalities. Well, so that Putin does not miss a moment.
              2. kerosene
                kerosene April 5 2014 17: 13
                +5
                Sechin was appointed head of the St. Petersburg international commodity exchange. The exchange will sell gas and oil for rubles. Rubles from buyers of our goods will simply be "drawn" on computers at a favorable rate for us, just like ours will "draw" the currencies of other countries. But $ is excluded from this fun process for the joy of the BRICS and for the evil of us.
                1. I do not care
                  I do not care April 5 2014 18: 43
                  +3
                  Quote: kerosene
                  Sechin was appointed head of the St. Petersburg international commodity exchange. The exchange will sell gas and oil for rubles. Rubles from buyers of our goods will simply be "drawn" on computers at a favorable rate for us, just like ours will "draw" the currencies of other countries. But $ is excluded from this fun process for the joy of the BRICS and for the evil of us.



                  And having returned to his homeland (the buck has no other option except war), what will he do with inflation? Where to get unsecured money? 90 of Russia will seem like a paradise for the natives.
              3. ermolai
                ermolai April 6 2014 04: 49
                +1
                During the USSR, it was neither a reserve currency, nor simply convertible, nor even partially convertible.
                In general, the word Bona and the Checks of the Foreign Trade Poster - what are they talking about?

                but candy wrapper cost 60 kopecks
              4. ermolai
                ermolai April 6 2014 04: 56
                +1
                and quarter chervonets, stolniks, fifty kopecks, was taken over the hill, they told me moreman, about Japanese, and they took it in the singaur, there was also a currency article. then from a tweet and above on the banknotes it was written: provided by gold.
              5. wanderer_032
                wanderer_032 April 6 2014 10: 47
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Indeed - this is where the dog rummaged. What to do with bucks? Do you need to sell rubles for something?

                How for what? For the gold. And so forth material values.
                But certainly not for some debt papers, which are only suitable only as toilet paper.
              6. zvereok
                zvereok April 6 2014 13: 34
                +1
                A transferable ruble is “a collective currency, a measure of value, a means of payment and accumulation for organizing multilateral settlements of countries - members of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance.
            2. BOB48
              BOB48 April 5 2014 14: 55
              +5
              and the war has been going on for a long time - since about 1945 !!!!
            3. woron333444
              woron333444 April 5 2014 15: 53
              +5
              China has signed with England and Germany that they will trade in the yuan, and from Iran buys oil for gold. And no dollars
          3. Aleksandr65
            Aleksandr65 April 5 2014 11: 49
            +9
            Spain sells its goods in Russia for rubles and buys goods in Russia for these rubles. And if for Spain this is not obvious, then for China, Korea, Iran is clearly a plus
            1. atalef
              atalef April 5 2014 12: 09
              -15%
              Quote: Aleksandr65
              Spain sells its goods in Russia for rubles and buys goods in Russia for these rubles

              And the wages of workers and pay off payments to suppliers, taxes to countries, etc. - the same in rubles (by the way, talk about specific enterprises - there is no VTB in Spain.) We say that I (the company in Spain) sold shoes to Russia for rubles. Farther . what should I do with them, I'm not going to buy oil - next. What? The whole chain - the rubles must return back to the Russian Federation. for normal turnover.
              1. avt
                avt April 5 2014 12: 40
                +12
                Quote: atalef
                We say that I (a Spanish company) sold shoes to Russia for rubles. Farther . what should I do with them, I'm not going to buy oil - next. What? The whole chain - the rubles must return back to the Russian Federation. for normal turnover.

                laughing Classical intellectual - protest argumentation by bringing the topic of conversation to the point of absurdity. So, right in the eyes of the opponent, an apocalyptic picture of the transport of colored paper should appear. Well, the fact that all payments, as well as buying and selling, are calmly carried out by a non-cash method on the exchanges created for this - the MICEX in particular. Our opponent shyly keeps silent, as well as about the stubborn introduction of "plastic" with "electronic" money, in which the conversion is generally solved automatically, there are really other risks, but obviously not exchangeable from ruble to dollar.
                1. atalef
                  atalef April 5 2014 14: 09
                  -6
                  Quote: avt
                  Our opponent shyly keeps silent, as well as about the stubborn introduction of "plastic" with "electronic" money, in which the conversion is generally solved automatically, there are really other risks, but obviously not exchangeable from ruble to dollar.

                  What are you talking about ? Or do you think. that the money supply passing through the system of plastic cards and electronic money is torn off from the total money supply and is converted differently?
                  1. avt
                    avt April 5 2014 14: 35
                    +5
                    Quote: atalef
                    What are you talking about ?
                    That's about it.
                    Quote: atalef
                    And the wages of workers and pay off payments to suppliers, taxes to countries, etc. - the same in rubles (by the way, talk about specific enterprises - there are no VTB in Spain.)

                    Quote: atalef
                    Or do you think. that the money supply passing through the system of plastic cards and electronic money is torn off from the total money supply and is converted differently?

                    Naturally, you can verify this in any exchanger. For example, the Central Bank sets the exchange rate of currencies. Well, and how do exchangers change paper cash in order to get their gesheft? According to the indicated number? The simplest example, almost a child’s one, of extracting walruses from the air, turning paper money from a means of payment into a commodity. By the way, the Fed is now releasing new money almost at the touch of a button, and not by launching a printing press in the third shift. So there are no technical unsolvable problems. Only politics, as a concentrated economy, determining who and how will determine the value of the product and steal surplus value in the distribution of purchase and sale in a particular country and in the world as a whole. What stood and without a fight will not give up a group of FRS comrades privatized from time immemorial
              2. novobranets
                novobranets April 5 2014 14: 02
                +5
                And then these rubles will be bought from you, or you will pay in rubles to those who need them for settlements with Russia. Or are you going to trade only with her?
              3. go
                go April 6 2014 00: 22
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Aleksandr65
                Spain sells its goods in Russia for rubles and buys goods in Russia for these rubles

                And the wages of workers and pay off payments to suppliers, taxes to countries, etc. - the same in rubles (by the way, talk about specific enterprises - there is no VTB in Spain.) We say that I (the company in Spain) sold shoes to Russia for rubles. Farther . what should I do with them, I'm not going to buy oil - next. What? The whole chain - the rubles must return back to the Russian Federation. for normal turnover.


                This is a common technical question. This Spanish company, if it has a jur. a person in Russia, you have to buy euros if she needs them. The costs of conversion and circulation are her risks if she wants to work in a foreign market. This is a normal situation even in the EU outside the euro area.

                If this company sells from the EU, then it will need to buy euros for rubles in the EU. Here, yes, there may be a lack of demand for rubles. For this, Russia needs to create a settlement cent in the EU i.e. the bank that will do this. Along this path, China is now coming in for the conversion of the renminbi. But if the Russian Federation sells hydrocarbons to the EU for rubles, then there will be no lack of demand for rubles wink
                1. atalef
                  atalef April 6 2014 08: 03
                  0
                  Quote: go
                  This is a common technical question. This Spanish company, if it has a jur. a person in Russia, you have to buy euros if she needs them. The costs of conversion and circulation are her risks if she wants to work in a foreign market. This is a normal situation even in the EU outside the euro area.


                  It’s wonderful, so I’m saying that buying gas for rubles is technically absolutely real, the question is whether it will be beneficial to both parties. nobody has yet canceled the issues of currency conversion, like the fee for this, and the ruble is not yet a fully convertible currency, and inflation on the ruble is too big. In general, the buyer must be persuaded to pay in rubles and this should be at least beneficial to him.
                2. atalef
                  atalef April 6 2014 08: 03
                  0
                  Quote: go
                  This is a common technical question. This Spanish company, if it has a jur. a person in Russia, you have to buy euros if she needs them. The costs of conversion and circulation are her risks if she wants to work in a foreign market. This is a normal situation even in the EU outside the euro area.


                  It’s wonderful, so I’m saying that buying gas for rubles is technically absolutely real, the question is whether it will be beneficial to both parties. nobody has yet canceled the issues of currency conversion, like the fee for this, and the ruble is not yet a fully convertible currency, and inflation on the ruble is too big. In general, the buyer must be persuaded to pay in rubles and this should be at least beneficial to him.
                  1. wanderer_032
                    wanderer_032 April 6 2014 10: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    the buyer must be persuaded to pay in rubles and this should be at least beneficial to him.

                    If the buyer doesn’t need our product (oil, gas), then let him go and look for it from others (I doubt very much that it will be more profitable there, he will come to Russia anyway and will be ready to buy for anything just so that he doesn’t bend from the cold )
              4. Yurban
                Yurban April 6 2014 15: 28
                0
                You’re here again, you’re starting to start blowing bubbles, well, what kind of person is it, it’s probably bad for you when improvements are planned somewhere?
              5. yulka2980
                yulka2980 April 8 2014 08: 26
                0
                You would have already changed the flag, otherwise Spain, yes Spain ...
          4. GHG
            GHG April 5 2014 11: 51
            +13
            Russia has not realized all its capabilities and the planet as a whole. The question is how to produce, the difference is that oil can be beaten with a fountain and it can be squeezed out. In principle, there is oil everywhere, but the cost of it can be higher than the current cost. The territory of MY country can implement the most daring projects, even though it is completely isolated. In my country there are also thinkers and implementers.
            1. atalef
              atalef April 5 2014 12: 11
              -17%
              Quote: GES
              Russia has not realized all its capabilities and the planet as a whole

              Less pathos please - more specific

              Quote: GES
              The territory of MY country can implement the most daring projects, even though it is completely isolated. In MY country there are also thinkers and implementers.

              Begin with yourself.
          5. twviewer
            twviewer April 5 2014 11: 57
            +4
            Quote: atalef

            But in general, the question is - I suppose I want to buy oil for rubles (let’s say, this is Spain), but where can I get them?


            If you are Spain at the first stage, nothing will change for you oil is sold not by producers, but by approximate intermediaries, the very "typical" ones, they sell on exchanges for dollars, but they can also for rubles through their banks and payment system :)
            besides, primary losses are quickly compensated by the loss even for a day or two 40% !? all oil in the world and as a result of a jump in prices.
            How much time did they take for the payment system a year? here in a year and wait.
            PS. I think so.
          6. askort154
            askort154 April 5 2014 12: 06
            +3
            atalef ..... Well, 200 billion in trade is not something that can bury the dollar
            But in general, the question is - I suppose I want to buy oil for rubles (let’s say, this is Spain), but where can I get them?

            A primitive example from the past:
            If you really wanted to have "jeans", but they were sold only in "Birch"?
            What did you do? Either they wore trousers, or were looking for where to buy "bucks" (bonds).
          7. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 5 2014 12: 46
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            But in general, the question is - I suppose I want to buy oil for rubles (let’s say, this is Spain), but where can I get them?


            At the St. Petersburg TSB or other exchange which conducts settlements in rubles.
          8. nerd.su
            nerd.su April 5 2014 13: 32
            +2
            Spain can orient its travel industry to rubles. And Russian real estate can also sell for rubles. And we are always happy to give Spain a targeted loan for the purchase of hydrocarbons from us. At a gentle percentage smile
          9. nerd.su
            nerd.su April 5 2014 14: 51
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            But in general, the question is - I suppose I want to buy oil for rubles (let’s say, this is Spain), but where can I get them?

            By the way, where does Spain get dollars? It prints, as it were, the euro ... That's how the dollars get out (without experiencing problems either with settlements with suppliers or with salaries), so it will find rubles.
            Unless, of course, a splinter and warm clothes and a blanket are not an option.
            1. ssergn
              ssergn April 6 2014 11: 16
              0
              Another thing on this topic - usually the trade goes both ways, those are any countries that buy something from each other. And in fact, the unit of account will then be in demand. This is at least.

              And yet, if here some wiseacres think that the USA is finally ready for the currency of international payments, then why did they cling to it so well, huh?
          10. woron333444
            woron333444 April 5 2014 15: 50
            +1
            and where do they buy, buy
          11. dustycat
            dustycat April 5 2014 16: 46
            +6
            Quote: atalef (3) IL Today, 09:41
            and where can I get them?


            May I? Thank.

            Forex trading.
            On the interbank.
            Or on any exchange where the dollar / ruble will be traded, or the shekel / ruble or peseta / ruble, or something like a tamvamado / ruble.
            If there is demand, there will be bargaining.

            Business then.
          12. dustycat
            dustycat April 5 2014 17: 02
            0
            Quote: atalef
            I suppose I want to buy oil for rubles


            If you want to make a quick gesheft - it’s better to buy a tanker of finished solarium inside Russia for rubles, transfer it to Bulgaria and sell it there for a cheap price in euros until the police arrive!
            In general, it can be immediately sold just near the tervod of any European country for the currency you are interested in there to fishermen or smugglers!
            And even with the hiring of a solid private military company to protect the business from local bandits, there will be a very decent gesheft!
          13. stillrat
            stillrat April 5 2014 20: 55
            0
            200bn it’s only hydrocarbons, and there’s about 400 billion others. Also of course not much request but still something tongue
        3. Artyom
          Artyom April 5 2014 12: 06
          0
          there is a nice article on `` ANNA-NEWS ''
          http://anna-news.info/node/14722
        4. Lazy
          Lazy April 5 2014 22: 27
          0
          It is best to return the transferable ruble. For example, we are with China to start. Against two such powers, the Pindocs will not go anyway, and in the future, more countries will be connected to this new economic system. As a result, the US economy will collapse. But they will have no place to put an army but to use it. So everything needs to be calculated in this case. Probably for the time being we are not ready for such drastic changes. So far, it is only possible to quietly trade with China quietly with each other, with the goal of mutual benefit and so that the Pindo economy is not pumped.
        5. Rus2012
          Rus2012 April 6 2014 16: 09
          +1
          Quote: me by
          If the article is not fake

          Not a fake!
          All the ashes come to 3,14 to the endostan and its satellites!
          Russia and friends went against the USA! With China, Iran ...

          Even Ukraine is now on the periphery of global processes. The main thing is that a green candy wrapper is falling, a sort of pillar of the Western world ...
          Read more - "The man who returned Crimea to Russia"
          It was he who stood behind the military phase of the operation. It was he who lobbied her and received a carte blanche in his hands.
          The leader of the powerful clan of the siloviki, occupying the position of No. 2 in the black list of all Russophobes.

          No. 2 in importance is a state person in the Russian Federation.

          The most important thing is not happening in Ukraine now.
          The most important thing is happening in Moscow now. Putin’s team is seriously planning to “set fire to” the dollar.

          Recently, Sechin launched a bomb - a project of the international gas exchange without dollars http://www.vedomosti.ru/companies/news/17598031/sechin-boretsya-za-gazovuyu-birz

          hu

          What will happen next? And then, if nothing extraordinary happens, we will face the dollar detachment, purges, international upheavals, turbulence in the international economy and the scrapping of all the usual configurations. It will be scary and joyful. It will not be boring. Right

          The stakes are very serious, it’s clear that Putin “made a strangulation” of Lavrov’s statements on Iran (in the style of “Americans - Iranians should be in Geneva”) and in Ukraine (in the style of “we can intervene if asked”) show what Russia wants win on both boards. The Kremlin is ready to go all the way in both conflicts, which are of serious strategic importance. Even if Medvedev was “convinced” to go “on the front line” and demand from the West “to take into account the Iranian factor in resolving the Syrian issue,” then Putin expects to win in all directions, and defines dissenting parties in political and diplomatic fines.

          Entirely - http://continentalist.ru/2014/04/chelovek-kotoryiy-vernul-rossii-kryim/
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 April 5 2014 08: 17
        +16
        And we must not forget about the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which actually does not obey the state. But trading for rubles, yuan or gold is not important. If there is an opportunity to click on the nose of amers without harming themselves, then why not.
        1. the polar
          the polar April 5 2014 09: 13
          +3
          And what will change if oil and gas are sold for rubles?
          If Russia still sold something, high-tech for rubles, and was not dependent on the import of modern equipment and components, then it is understandable. And so, the buyer will stupidly change his currency in rubles at Russian banks, and then buy gas oil. The currency will again be spent by Russia on the purchase of food, equipment, consumer goods, etc. abroad. Moreover, the West can also impose sanctions and not sell for foreign currency.

          The sense of selling for rubles will appear if Russia is actively pursuing a policy of import substitution in advanced industries: pharmacy, machine tool building, aircraft manufacturing, precision instrumentation, microelectronics, agromash, biochemistry, etc. but this will never happen under the current government policy.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev April 5 2014 09: 42
            +9
            Quote: Polar
            And what will change if oil and gas are sold for rubles?

            In my opinion, of course, not entirely professional, if "selling oil and gas for rubles" will slightly increase the demand for rubles and the stability of our currency.
            Yes and - dashing trouble began. Other countries may follow our example, undermining the hegemony of the dollar.
            And we will never (in the foreseeable future) sell machinery and equipment more energy. Although in absolute terms we are still selling a lot, for tens of billions of dollars: weapons, nuclear power plants, space programs and more, in small things, but all together are quite a lot. But neither Russia nor the USSR have ever lived, as, for example, Germany through the export of machinery and equipment. Probably, we have another way - to develop import substitution. If you manage to increase it two, three times, it will be a tremendous success.
            The domestic market should be saturated with its goods, although high-quality and necessary imports should not be forgotten.
          2. Arberes
            Arberes April 5 2014 09: 44
            +3
            Quote: Polar
            And what will change if oil and gas are sold for rubles?

            I absolutely agree with you, dear polar (3) hi
            Not so fast and fast! First you need to upgrade or raise (whatever) the economy, learn how to produce high-quality, competitive products, this requires huge investments in foreign currency! It is no secret that all the latest lines, machines and other equipment are purchased by us for dollars and euros from Western countries! The same is with food, import substitution !!! That's when we somehow solve these issues, then you can go on your own autonomous swimming! And we can do this, we have everything for this, the same hydrocarbons, timber, non-ferrous metals, etc. minerals! From all this, you can push off and make a quality leap! drinks
            But the soil must begin to be probed today!
          3. stas52
            stas52 April 5 2014 09: 53
            +5
            Quote: Polar
            And what will change if oil and gas are sold for rubles?

            In the case of energy trading for rubles, the collapse of the dollar and the euro. Since Russia is the largest supplier of energy resources, the rest of the countries will have to buy up the ruble stock, demand for rubles will increase, which will be very much ahead of supply. Accordingly, the ruble will rise, and in any country you will receive rubles with great joy, that is, the ruble will become fully convertible. The only thing is that our liberals are not profitable.
            1. atalef
              atalef April 5 2014 10: 16
              -5
              Quote: stas52
              In the case of energy trading for rubles, the collapse of the dollar and the euro.

              Well, actually nothing will happen. The volume of world trade in dollars in 2013 g - 18.2 trillion - is this 200 billion? - in the region of 1%.
              Having switched to trading in rubles, apart from problems, Russia will not earn anything. One is when the interstate agreement is dollar-yuan. In general, this is just interstate barter.
              To translate the entire sale into rubles - not really - where will the rubles come from? It means . I, as a buyer (an enterprise in Europe), must first sell something for rubles in the Russian Federation - then where can I put them, and where? I have to sell them at the local exchange for euros (w-I don’t pay in rubles), then who (who buys oil for rubles) should buy these rubles from me - buy oil - so the rubles generally complete the circle and return back to the Russian Federation for further entry into circulation - to the west - the exchange - Russian oil and so on.
              This is a simplified version of this.
              Only who will be in Russia for rubles then to sell?
              I'm not saying that. that the multiply increased ruble mass will automatically spur inflation. The dollar is used in the world for accumulation. They are kept in the accounts. under the mattress, etc. Nobody will keep rubles - it will only be a means of quick (I would call it) payment. Consequently, the mass of rubles will increase. And it will pull inflation. What will further undermine the credibility of the ruble (let me remind you that today the ruble is not a freely convertible unit - but partially convertible) - did someone calculate how much the Russian Federation will cost? This is the desire for one percent of world trade * to bury the dollar *.
              The article to date is neither real. it’s not relevant, and indeed - this speech can be started by a country with a really strong economy standing on its feet - a production economy, and not an economy tied to a pipe. where the price drop of 10 bucks a barrel, it’s just really poher the whole budget
              Generally read. that they say that GDP. that DAM - 2014 is stagnation. In the best case, GDP growth is 0.6%, (provided that the IMB exchange rate has fallen by 4% over 19 years) - while worldwide (including developing countries, it has grown by more than 10%)
              what are you talking about .
              We can digress from dreams and see for real. Read at least this - But Gazprom is 30% of the budget of the Russian Federation (or even more)
              http://www.newsru.com/finance/04apr2014/gazbrom.html
              1. Aleksandr65
                Aleksandr65 April 5 2014 12: 00
                0
                I have to sell them at a local exchange for euros (w-I don’t pay in rubles), then who (who buys oil for rubles) should buy these rubles from me .
                And he sold rubles to the exchange and sold it to the oil buyer.
                What nonsense ...
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              3. askort154
                askort154 April 5 2014 12: 23
                +3
                atalef ..... Only who in Russia will sell for rubles?

                Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Italy, Slovakia, Serbia, and even England not to mention
                about pig milk from Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and especially about BRICS and Asia-Pacific countries.
                It is easier to ask the question, who will refuse to sell their surplus products to a country with a population of 145 million, in order to make the "green candy wrapper" green?
              4. Curculum
                Curculum April 5 2014 12: 42
                +6
                Quote: atalef
                To translate the entire sale into rubles - not really - where will the rubles come from?

                Alas, excuse me, I have to admit that in finance you, just as in cooking, do not distinguish fried foods from boiled ones (fast food from dumplings). And did not ask, where do the dollars come from? These are questions of school education. Moreover, they clearly explain that any currency - equivalent goods. To begin with, at least it needs to be understood and realized. And then come back to 1972, the beginning of the so-called “Petrodollar recycling,” initiated by Nixon and Kissinger immediately before the five-fold increase in oil prices in 1973-74.
                Quote: atalef
                I'm not saying that. that the multiply increased ruble mass will automatically spur inflation. The dollar is used in the world for accumulation.

                Oops, have you heard about the "export of inflation"? Those. the spread of the ruble will whip up inflation, but the dollar will not whip up? Wow, how prosaic everything is: "What a blue sky ..." (remembering "The Adventures of Buratino"). At the present time, we have that most developed countries depend on imports of oil and gas, which are bought for dollars, so they forced hold large stocks of dollars to service this import. In turn, this also creates a constant demand for dollars, preventing them from losing their respective international exchange rates, regardless of what happens to the US economy.
                So where do these countries get the dollars from? Do they have such exports to the states that create enough dollar revenue needed to import oil and gas? Of course not. Then you can think of it yourself, at least read about currency exchanges.
                Moreover, it is not difficult to find out what Gazprom is doing with foreign exchange earnings, while reducing its profit (not by much, but still). Therefore, the question of energy trade from the Russian Federation for rubles lies in a completely different plane than you described.
              5. askort154
                askort154 April 5 2014 12: 47
                +6
                atalef .... Well, actually nothing will happen. The volume of world trade in dollars in 2013 - 18.2 trillion. Is it 200 billion? - in the region of 1%.

                Why dissemble. You give the numbers 18.2 trillion. against 200ml. Modestly silent
                that this is profit (200 mln.) only from the sale of oil. You, to put it mildly, are not objective! So you should not convict others of - "childish babble".
                Your babble is not at all older.
              6. stas52
                stas52 April 5 2014 13: 50
                +1
                atalef (3) IL Today, 10: 16 ↑ New

                Quote: stas52
                In the case of energy trading for rubles, the collapse of the dollar and the euro.

                Well, actually nothing will happen. The volume of world trade in dollars in 2013 g - 18.2 trillion - is this 200 billion? - in the region of 1%.

                Russia traditionally leads in terms of crude oil production, providing more than 12% of the world oil trade [7]. More than 80% of Russian oil production is destined for export to European countries, where Russia's share exceeds 30%
                In gas consumption in Europe, Russian natural gas accounts for about 30%
                mining 5% of the world's coal, provide about 12% of the world's energy coal turnover
                Russian nuclear energy provides 45% of the uranium enrichment market, 15% of the nuclear fuel reprocessing market, 5% of the nuclear power generation market, 15% of the nuclear reactor industry in the world, and provides 8% of the world's natural uranium mining
                http://www.beintrend.ru/2020-2030
              7. BOB48
                BOB48 April 5 2014 15: 03
                0
                I don’t understand, are you afraid or afraid of this?
              8. Ascetic
                Ascetic April 5 2014 20: 25
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                To translate the entire sale into rubles - not really - where will the rubles come from?


                We read only the recent statements of the Russian power elite and it will become clear where the rubles will come from.
                It all started with liberal Ulyukaev, through whom Obama Putin gently hinted that he was waiting for him and with him the whole transnational kagal. Moreover, the open phase of the war was opened through the lips of the domestic representative of the liberal kagal.
                "Why should we contract in dollars in relations with China, India, Turkey? Why do we need this? We must contract in national currencies - this also applies to energy and other areas," the minister says. "First of all, this should concern our oil and gas companies, so that they are more bold in concluding contracts in rubles and in the currency of the partner country. I think that now there is an additional impetus to finally finalize this work."


                Then there were the well-known and unambiguous words of Kostin, the head of Putin-the bank of the Central Bank’s understudy about the same thing as the message that the dollar occupation of Russia could easily be reset and there is an adequate financial structure for this.

                And the last aspen stake is designed to be scored by Sechin, the head of Rosneft, we read carefully where the rubles will be taken for oil purchase and sale operations.
                The Head of Rosneft OJSC was nominated as a candidate for the new Board of Directors of CJSC Saint Petersburg International Commodity and Raw Materials Exchange (SPIMEX), the press service of Rosneft reported. "

                I already mentioned it above. This exchange is a ready-made tool that Sechin took to ensure trade in energy resources for rubles. It is only necessary, as I wrote above, to involve as many large players as possible in this matter. And this is what Sechin does.
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic April 5 2014 20: 27
                  +6
                  Mega-projects with China.Rosneft Receives First $ 20 Billion in Prepayment from Chinese CNPC
                  India.
                  Rosneft CEO offers India oil projects, supplies and the last link of involvement in ruble traffic - Iran
                  Russia and Iran discuss $ 20 billion barter deal
                  . Guess three times where the oil that Rosneft will receive from Tehran will go? More precisely, where and in what currency will it be sold?
                  Hence Obama’s hysteria, for it’s impossible to punish Russia as Libya, Iraq, Syria, Iran with war or sanctions. And even further you can get rid of petrodollar.
                  However, it’s enough just to declare your intentions, take some first steps in this direction and already see the effect as the American elite began to dirty their snow-white pants in an attack of BEAR DISEASE

                  The United States supports associations that allow Central Asian countries to develop, such as the Customs Union, "US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Nisha Biswal said at a press conference, answering a question about the State Department's attitude to Kyrgyzstan's participation in integration processes. IA REGNUM. "

                  They agreed with the loss of Crimea and drastically leaked the manas, which you can’t do for the sake of Russia staying within the framework of the liberal dollar system and not trying to cross the red line of dedollarization.
          4. andrejwz
            andrejwz April 5 2014 10: 53
            +1
            Quote: Polar
            Moreover, the West can also impose sanctions and not sell for currency.

            "To sell something you don't need, you must first buy something you don't need."
            (Uncle Fyodor "Holidays at Prostokvashino")

            But oil and gas are just the thing. To cook a chowder, you must first buy firewood. If the tavern-keeper doesn’t sell and he’ll grumble his stew, then tomorrow he will have nothing to buy firewood for. So not only not to eat, but you can freeze.
          5. fif21
            fif21 April 5 2014 12: 40
            +2
            Quote: Polar
            And what will change if oil and gas are sold for rubles?
            Have you read the article carefully ??? The Russian economy will no longer depend on the US Federal Reserve and the THREAT OF DEPENDENCE on world economic crises will disappear, in any case it will decrease. Now in the world the demand for rubles is small mainly in the CIS, China, Finns accept rubles for payment. And the exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar in favor of the ruble will change, well, approximately 90 kopecks per dollar.
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        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev April 5 2014 09: 29
          +7
          Quote: ele1285
          And we must not forget about the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which in fact does not obey the state.

          The government does not obey the Central Bank, and everyone obeys the "state". yes
        3. Wheel
          Wheel April 6 2014 00: 20
          +2
          Quote: ele1285
          And we must not forget about the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which in fact does not obey the state.

          Already submits, already from 1.09.2013.
          The feint is called by ears.
      3. mirag2
        mirag2 April 5 2014 08: 21
        +7
        India and Japan signed a $ 15bn swap (asset swap) transaction in non-dollar equivalent.
      4. Arberes
        Arberes April 5 2014 09: 07
        +11
        Quote: name
        For rubles can - with China and against .. USA.

        Incidentally, a very correct idea! Should China, Russia and other BRICS countries establish their reserve currency, even if not the ruble, but the yuan? An alternative to Uncle Sam’s green papers should appear. And then it will be possible to calmly and without unnecessary risks get away from settlements for our hydrocarbons in dollars! I think so!
        1. Basarev
          Basarev April 5 2014 10: 47
          +6
          Personally, I don’t like the yuan. To bring down the dollar to immediately fall under the yuan yoke is not for me. Only the ruble. Without options.
          1. Vadim12
            Vadim12 April 5 2014 11: 16
            +3
            true, because the yuan is provided with gold. but dollars are not. for yuan! for the ruble! Urra, comrades! Collapse the Phasington system!
            1. ty60
              ty60 April 5 2014 20: 13
              +2
              no, my friend! We won’t lay a mine for ourselves. Only inter-settlement. Not more. Let the yuan raise us, and not we
          2. dustycat
            dustycat April 5 2014 17: 11
            0
            Quote: Basarev
            I personally do not like the yuan.

            With what?
            Inside it, unlike the dollar, there is no such dimensionless parameter as market value.
            It is based purely on the cost of China's GDP, as the ruble of the USSR used to be.
      5. radio operator
        radio operator April 5 2014 09: 19
        +14
        Quote: mirag2
        Putin was just waiting for this. Since 2007, he has been trying to introduce an independent ruble financial system based on the real economy and resources of Russia, backed by its gold reserves. No more indulging in looting and financial speculation. This completely peaceful move is actually a declaration of independence, and for Wall Street it is tantamount to declaring war

        And if you don’t want to pay at all, then we go together for the firewood)))
        1. Arberes
          Arberes April 5 2014 10: 02
          +3
          Quote: radio operator
          And if you don’t want to pay at all, then we go together for the firewood)))

          For firewood.

          VLADIMIR said directly!
          "Pi .... those for the wood!
          Not gas to you, but a herok!
          Dig the coal!

          In addition to the photo! Honestly, my laugh broke through! THANK! drinks
        2. ermolai
          ermolai April 6 2014 05: 31
          0
          and firewood mainly from the Old Man in Belovezhskaya Pushcha
      6. mirag2
        mirag2 April 5 2014 09: 20
        +2
        India + Japan swap = $ 15bn, Iran + Russia barter = $ 20bn
        http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/02/iran-russia-oil-idUSL5N0MN4UT20140402
      7. Name
        Name April 5 2014 09: 43
        +2
        You know, everything that concerns "robberies" ... so the GDP has preferences on "financial speculation" ... because everyone whines, which means they are wrong LIFE!
        1. BOB48
          BOB48 April 5 2014 15: 11
          +1
          oops .... translate !!!
      8. dustycat
        dustycat April 5 2014 15: 57
        +1
        Quote: mirag2
        I just don’t understand, is it true or fake (false)?


        Better write the word bullshit or bullshit - all the local word and not tracing paper from non-Russian.

        In your approval of the creation of the Russian payment system about the creation of which it was said already in 1993 is this bullshit?

        The Belarusian bunny became much more stable after Belarus created its own processing center.
        Processing centers in general are in most CIS countries except Russia.
        For some reason, even Armenia has acquired its own.
        And we were all waiting for the west to help us.
      9. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 5 2014 18: 19
        -4
        Unfortunately, Putin is as smart as he is so cowardly (otherwise he would have cleaned his territory from liberals and the fifth column a long time ago). And sometimes it seems that he is at one with them (for example, Serdyukov and his pack, because so far no one has been planted). So at least 2007, even 2014 is all one, while cheap show-offs. He’s much to do with it (for nothing they taught him in the KGB, the talker is suspended), but on the abrupt actions SLABAK. She constantly hides herself with a certain politeness, and doesn’t even risk taking an open conversation with the people (they’ll tear them like a heating pad), and you can have fun with the selected half-morons in the studio about anything.
      10. saber1357
        saber1357 April 6 2014 01: 44
        0
        Not true and not fake. globalresearch.ca is the site of Mr. Chossudovsky, and, as I have noticed over several years, he likes to give out provocations a la Zhirinovsky (but, in a relaxed form, he’s very far from VVZh) ... Sometimes, I note, by the way, Chossudovsky it’s just panicking (if you conduct a lexical analysis of its English text).
      11. devor71
        devor71 April 7 2014 08: 59
        0
        The ruble must be introduced gradually! And it will take at least 5 years! maximum-10 Madhouse Gold mining in the Russian Federation In the regions of Magadan is considered unprofitable! Although up to 70% of the gold goes to the Treasury! Our power freaks have long had money in Ofory
      12. miland
        miland April 7 2014 10: 17
        0
        There is no longer any article on the link you specified ... Coincidence?)))
      13. European
        European April 7 2014 21: 24
        0
        support
    2. avg
      avg April 5 2014 12: 14
      +4
      And no one even calls to rush into the embrasure alone, and to do this in difficult times. It is necessary to fix the moment that the USA did not cope with the role of the world regulator and conduct systematic work to remove them from this role and introduce a new international currency. It’s time to rebuild the world built by states exclusively for themselves, and trading in oil and gas for rubles is only the first step. Further, it is necessary to develop trade for national currencies with the BRICS countries, and with other countries as they agree. It is necessary to strengthen the role of the UN Security Council, lobbying for the entry into permanent members of non-aligned countries such as Brazil and India, and blocking the efforts of Germany and Japan as countries of the occupied USA and therefore not able to pursue an independent policy. It is necessary to strengthen the role of the twenty, seek a review of the representation in the IMF, WTO, World Bank and other international organizations, strengthen the role of organizations such as the SCO, create new international organizations, such as the Union of Gas-Producing Countries, etc.
      Those. saving the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves and you need to work hard, and not wait until you are dragged by a whirlpool or just drown as a warning to others.
      And you need to start with creating a team of like-minded people and thinning the "5th column" inside the country.
      1. fif21
        fif21 April 5 2014 12: 54
        0
        Everything is correctly said, but there is one thing, THERE IS A CHANCE TO take concrete steps in this direction. Americans will take this as an answer to their sanctions !! And in the future, they are unlikely to allow themselves to talk with Russia from the standpoint of sanctions. laughing
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    3. AVV
      AVV April 5 2014 21: 45
      +1
      Quote: name
      For rubles can - with China and against .. USA.

      An alternative is to trade with China for rubles and Yuan !!! Both China and us are well, and with Iran barter !!!
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      2. MBA78
        MBA78 April 7 2014 13: 08
        0
        A POTENTIAL RIPPED AT THE RUBLE WHICH SOON WILL BREAK THE DAM (CREATED AT YOUR TIME) AND SO IT DO NOT HAPPEN TO OPEN THE GATEWAY AND DIRECT FLOWS IN THE NECESSARY DIRECTION.
        AND WE SHOULD NOT WRONG THAT THE FACT THAT A STAR STRIPPED TITANIUM WILL RAP ON A RUBLE ISISBERG ...
  2. a52333
    a52333 April 5 2014 08: 08
    +23
    We are talking, we are talking about this, but there are no decisive steps. Yesterday Zadornov (not a comedian) said that he was most actively opposed to the introduction of Pro100 cards - guess who ???

    Ta-dan! wassat

    Essesno Central Bank of the Russian Federation. What a surprise"!!!!
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 April 5 2014 08: 19
      +14
      So it is necessary to check for the "lice" of the owner of the bank, and if that - as in wartime ...
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 April 5 2014 08: 36
      -18%
      Well then, you know why he said that, unfortunately, he did not fully see his yesterday's conversation about the introduction of a national payment system, but "just" is an intra-system disagreement (in the banking sector), ie. they are not “against” in general, but against “simply”.
      In general, it will cost a lot of money (the same Zadornov said a dozen billion dollars, but he is not a liberal, he’s not lying) - the infrastructure for this system.
      Consider this too damage caused by the Crimea.
      I am by no means opposed to the annexation of Crimea, everyone just needs to know what it will cost and what it will cost specifically. At first, the Crimea will cost us $ 3 billion, and in general, the income will fall from which there is nowhere to go.
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb April 5 2014 09: 46
        +4
        Dear Mirage, independence is always expensive. And the heart and the wallet.
        But addiction will cost even more .... wallet naturally.
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 April 5 2014 15: 11
          0
          Naturally, I say, you have to pay. But not 3 billion, but more. You just have to tell the truth. After all, the position of our nascent patriotic media is this: we are crystal honest! So, but you need to be consistent, because this is what all sorts of "echoes" can use "! Do you understand ?!
      2. Aleksandr65
        Aleksandr65 April 5 2014 12: 11
        +4
        annexation of the Crimea


        Cuts hearing. Read first what "annexation" means and compare with what happened to Crimea. Where is the violence?
        1. Turkir
          Turkir April 6 2014 11: 16
          +1
          Yes of course. Annexation is an accession, without a referendum.
      3. Aleksandr65
        Aleksandr65 April 5 2014 12: 19
        +7
        Consider this too damage caused by the Crimea.

        And consider how much damage your children bring to you! Or elderly parents. Damage from the Crimea is from the same series.
        If you understand, of course ...
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev April 5 2014 13: 36
          +7
          Quote: Aleksandr65
          Damage from the Crimea is from the same series.

          When they talk about damage from the Crimea, the impression is that they are seriously raving. yes
          It’s as if this is not the most important strategic territory in the military (control over the entire Black Sea and the adjacent territory) and in the economic sense (for example, if the South Stream is launched in the Crimea many, many billion dollars, saving, shipbuilding, and agricultural, wine Yes, the largest resort), and a deserted island somewhere in Antarctica.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 6 2014 19: 49
            0
            Quote: Alekseev
            When they talk about damage from the Crimea, the impression is that they are seriously raving.
            This is from a simple not understanding. It will take place only when our people can safely travel to the Crimea and rest normally there. Anyone who has visited Crimea at least once will want to return there again ... There is an opportunity for any type of relaxation and treatment ...
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 April 5 2014 15: 13
          0
          I used "annexation" because it is very similar to how the Germans saved their people from the Poles.
          I knew that many would be offended, well, you’ll excuse me, I admit, here I’m wrong and even more likely provoked you. request recourse
          And about the damage, well let there be an expense. Unforeseen.
    3. saag
      saag April 5 2014 08: 46
      +6
      The Central Bank is against Sberbank issuing these cards and proposes to create a non-profit organization for this
    4. Gamdlislyam
      Gamdlislyam April 5 2014 09: 15
      +2
      Quote: a52333
      We are talking, we are talking about this, but there are no decisive steps. Yesterday Zadornov (not a comedian) said that he was most actively opposed to the introduction of Pro100 cards - guess who ??? Ta-dan! Essesno Central Bank of the Russian Federation. What a surprise"!!!!

      Dear Alexey, you shouldn't simplify this problem to the point of stupidity. The Central Bank is not against "in general", as the distinguished colleague Alexander put it, the Central Bank stands for a single package of rules and access to this payment system for all commercial financial structures (perhaps even under its control). And they resist this. Our bankers do not want to be on a "leash".
      But the construction of this payment system (ruble), and the introduction of their cards is not a cheap event. Corresponding infrastructure is required, and most importantly, the foundation (legislative base). And the extent to which the legislative base will be correctly created will depend on the stability of our economy in the fight against dollar dependence.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 5 2014 10: 58
        +3
        But we all understand that our main task is to build a strong Russia that does not depend on anyone. And for the sake of this epochal task, we must be ready for anything. Yes, hellish difficulties await us. But we should not forget that these are only temporary phenomena , to survive which is our goal and task. Our future depends on it.
      2. Curculum
        Curculum April 5 2014 14: 16
        +1
        Quote: Gamdlislyam
        And the extent to which the legislative base will be correctly created will depend on the stability of our economy in the fight against dollar dependence.

        I support! In addition, I will add: the level of dollar dependence is also affected by the self-sufficiency of the state's defense capability, and not least. This is what we observe in the example of other states, even the same NATO members. And this question in the Russian Federation is already, in practice, close to the "apogee" so much that there is no talk of the expediency of invading the territory of the Russian Federation (which does not exclude the presence of a threat of invasion).
      3. ty60
        ty60 April 5 2014 20: 41
        0
        no surprise. Check out the list of guides.
    5. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 April 5 2014 12: 05
      0
      So there the Gaidar scum sits -Nabiullina, Medvedev’s protege.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat April 5 2014 17: 27
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr65
        sits - Nabiullina,

        First, she is an adherent of the Church of Scientology.
        And then the Gaidar.
        1. Turkir
          Turkir April 6 2014 11: 21
          0
          Nabiullina Scientologist?
          Scientology is banned in Russia, as far as I remember. If it’s easy for you, specify the source of information.
          This is very important.
          Write to me in PM, please.
  3. Zubr
    Zubr April 5 2014 08: 10
    +12


    Somehow like this.. lol
  4. Boris55
    Boris55 April 5 2014 08: 12
    +9
    The first oil trading for rubles (in the domestic market) took place about two years ago. We trade with China for rubles and yuan ... Our goods are our rules. Do not like it - walk around the market, look for green ones.
  5. Alekseev
    Alekseev April 5 2014 08: 12
    +6
    It is necessary to start for rubles from the CIS, gradually connecting Asia and then Europe can. Create an oil ruble exchange on which to sell rubles for dollars and other weighty currency and forward.
    1. Artyom
      Artyom April 5 2014 12: 00
      +3
      Exchange is already being created in St. Petersburg. Sechin (the head of Gazprom) is there like a general director, it will be the Russian Oil Exchange! to the peak of London.
  6. Afinogen
    Afinogen April 5 2014 08: 14
    +4
    You have to try it, you might like it laughing
  7. mitya24
    mitya24 April 5 2014 08: 16
    +5
    Comparing Russia with Libya and Iraq, with all due respect / disrespect for these countries, is not entirely appropriate. Sooner or later, such a need (equivalent to the dollar when paying for energy) will come. It is probably better to do it now while there are some reserves.
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor April 5 2014 09: 52
      +1
      Quote: mitya24
      Comparing Russia with Libya and Iraq, with all due respect / disrespect for these countries, is not entirely appropriate.

      That's right. We have a powerful army with the coolest arsenal of nuclear weapons. No one will go on such adventures as with Libya and Iraq.
      1. Bonham
        Bonham April 5 2014 11: 09
        +3
        yes, they won’t venture to openly fight against us, therefore they will develop the Ukrainian scenario for us, relying on liberal hamsters and leaders of the fifth column,
        in May they already had something planned, to see the loot arrived:
        liberals
        1. family tree
          family tree April 5 2014 14: 45
          +6
          Quote: Bonham

          in May they already had something planned, to see the loot arrived:
          liberals
          what Duc, it’s that the Crimean Golden Eagles are pulled up in the exchange of experience, otherwise they complained that they, on the Maidan, were not allowed to work.
        2. Mikros
          Mikros April 5 2014 16: 13
          +6
          I propose to go and weigh the stars angry
          1. rasputin17
            rasputin17 April 5 2014 17: 55
            +4
            With two hands "FOR" angry since the leaders of these pseudo-patriots feed from the State Department’s budget and get loot at the Amer embassy !!!! But I would have put Navalny on a stake in the swamp area! am !!
          2. Turkir
            Turkir April 6 2014 11: 28
            0
            Ches a word, I'll go. Weigh 2πR. hi
        3. ioann1
          ioann1 April 7 2014 16: 56
          0
          It's time to end the fifth column! They are so quietly drawing Russia into the war, and everything will end like this ...
    2. Vadim12
      Vadim12 April 5 2014 11: 20
      0
      Yes, it is not for them to shoot wild "terrorists" from a helicopter or a drone.
  8. Zubr
    Zubr April 5 2014 08: 16
    +2
    Quote: Alekseev
    and then Europe can


    How kindly he said, almost stroked the ass like: "Don't cry, my girl, and we will cure you" ... lol
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 5 2014 09: 53
      +3
      Quote: Zubr
      How affectionately said

      But how else can I say?
      Not a completely independent girlfriend of easy-going Americans.
      Recall, at least, how the entire European Snowden was caught, by order of the United States. Already confused with Morales ... lol
  9. ALEXXX1983
    ALEXXX1983 April 5 2014 08: 17
    0
    It would be very good! yes
    And the Constitution - written by 3.14ndos, it would not hurt to change! repeat
  10. Kazakh
    Kazakh April 5 2014 08: 18
    +7
    What would an attempt to refuse to sell Russian hydrocarbons for US dollars look like in this situation? Here is the hopeless alternative: a star-striped vessel does begin to sink, dragging everyone around.
    It seems to me that the danger is greatly exaggerated precisely by the economists and journalists paid for by the United States. The USSR collapsed and that besides us, someone tensed, on the contrary, many states profited from this collapse. Our crisis did not affect anyone in the world except us. Perhaps there will be something like 92-95 but global changes are unlikely, but delaying the rescue operation for someone who drowns is fraught with only big shocks. As they say at weddings before a fight, "sit, don't sit, but you have to start"
  11. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 5 2014 08: 19
    0
    And why not introduce the ruble with a currency analogous to the dollar?, The industry is certainly weak, but this is a business, it must be dealt with!
  12. CAPILATUS
    CAPILATUS April 5 2014 08: 20
    0
    Nope, you have to sell for RMB. Why. The strengthening of any currency does not stimulate the economy at all. A sale for the yuan would allow to kill two birds with one stone - not to slow down the pace of its economy by strengthening the ruble and secure immunity against the veiled sanctions of the United States and Europe, they would openly play against China, there are too many Western industries. And it will become accustomed to the renminbi over time and begin to bargain for rubles
    1. Vadim12
      Vadim12 April 5 2014 11: 22
      -3
      Hurray! I am for the yuan!
  13. mabuta
    mabuta April 5 2014 08: 20
    +6
    And with the Maidan authorities in general a joke.
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 April 5 2014 17: 57
      0
      Let the Tolerasts from the Geyrops ask !!!! They are ready to offer them a few centimeters of their love !!!!
  14. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 5 2014 08: 30
    +2
    Gaidar's "team" the amerikosy are now very much missing !!!
    1. ioann1
      ioann1 April 7 2014 16: 57
      0
      some are already gone, and those are farther!
  15. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 5 2014 08: 32
    +4
    Stop scaring Libya and Iraq, these countries did not have nuclear weapons, so they paid ...
    This will not work with our country.
    And neither of which will anyone do to us, as we decide - it will be so.
  16. Andrey SPB
    Andrey SPB April 5 2014 08: 34
    +3
    It has long been a couple to switch to the ruble ... but everyone understands that this will not be easy. at the very beginning, Russia will sag a little, and here the oligarchs push against not wanting to lose part of their income.
    But I think our government has come close to the transition, for this we are reviving the defense !!!!
  17. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 April 5 2014 08: 44
    +5
    from the Don.
    Trade for rubles!? Sooner or later this question will arise as life or death for the country. And here we are being pushed to this step, otherwise we will be a commodity and currency appendage of the USA! It will be difficult, sticks will survive, we will survive !!!
  18. kmike
    kmike April 5 2014 08: 47
    +5
    As I understand it, we must first prepare for this operation, militarily, so that the United States does not even have the thought of making Russia a second Iraq or a second Libya. But you can start today, in relations with at least China (make payments in rubles and yuan) .You can leave Europe for dessert for now.
  19. kirillovleva
    kirillovleva April 5 2014 08: 55
    +5
    Useless article - Iran, under the most severe sanctions since 1979, has not only survived, but is also developing its army of weapons, trades in oil both for rupees and for the yen and for the yuan - just to trade
    1. Nevyatoy
      Nevyatoy April 5 2014 10: 07
      0
      I completely agree with you, I put +. Propaganda of the USA. The average man is scared, afraid that Russia will really switch to rubles. Given the number of pluses to the article, the divorce was again successful.
  20. Quantum
    Quantum April 5 2014 08: 58
    +2
    Not only for oil and gas, but also for other resources! For example, in everything
    the world has a practice of catching and delivering fish products to the port with
    subsequent sale in the domestic and foreign markets. In Russia, all
    on the contrary, we catch and hand over to the ports over the hill. There are many reasons, but the main one is
    avoiding the supervision of fiscal authorities and the thirst for enrichment in foreign currency.
    But another way is possible, but there is no solution from above!
  21. Grbear
    Grbear April 5 2014 09: 10
    +1
    Resistance to the ruble, as a currency, will be exerted not only by the Americans, but also by the former Soviet Union, because accumulation of elites in raccoons and parting with them is a pity. There is no exchange mechanism and much more. But you have to start. And hurry, without rushing. Run in models and show to the whole world. And this is again an information war.
  22. fero
    fero April 5 2014 09: 12
    -4
    It cannot, Lukoil RosNeft and others are not profitable to trade in rubles, because loans (taken over the hill) must be given in foreign currency, they will lose a lot on the exchange rate difference. Putin, in his first presidential term, talked about creating his own exchange for the sale of oil and gas, then Medvedev, then again Putin wassat ... for more than 10 years the language has been grinded ... and things are still there. It is not profitable for companies to trade in raw materials for rubles with such a credit addiction. It is not profitable for companies to take loans in the domestic market due to very high interest rates.
    Oil companies are also forced to buy equipment over the hill for foreign currency, because far from everything can be bought on the domestic market. So they keep foreign currency accounts as it profitable. Business and nothing personal.
    1. Sergey Sitnikov
      Sergey Sitnikov April 5 2014 09: 59
      +5
      no one talks about the green light in life, if you want to stir up - invest! Only will is needed, and to compensate for the loss -
      Quote: fero
      LukOil RosNeft and others are not profitable to trade in rubles, because loans (taken over the hill) must be given in foreign currency, they will lose a lot on the exchange rate difference.
      How to pay directly, or to cut taxes, but you can agree ... Here it is important to understand the reality and inevitability of a general campaign against the West, after all, are they really driven out already, do people think there? , respectively, the balance of Europe fell by the same percentage, they taught physics at school ??? There are FUNDAMENTAL laws of conservation of mass, matter and energy - for the especially gifted, you can simply say: if somewhere has disappeared, in another place MUST arrive - you are stupid people (Europe) for the sake of a "smile" (!) Of the United States sacrifice your well-being, residents of Europe lose real benefits because of their chosen rulers ((((
    2. dustycat
      dustycat April 5 2014 17: 35
      0
      Quote: fero
      Lukoil RosNeft and others are not profitable to trade in rubles,


      Is it nothing that the top management in these companies is foreign citizens and, moreover, a large part of even Russian subjects are adherents of the Church of Scientology ??

      It would be amazing if they liked it.
      But for some reason, they modestly hold back that if there is an increase in the ruble to the dollar, then the content of foreign currency loans will become much cheaper.
      After all, the necessary number of dollars on an external interbank can be bought for a much smaller number of rubles than with the current direct calculation of profit from sales.
  23. Semenov
    Semenov April 5 2014 09: 17
    0
    Glazyev and the team are working on this issue, I guess.
  24. Keeper
    Keeper April 5 2014 09: 30
    +5
    EVERYTHING is very sad, since the USA is playing shitty on the public, but they succeed!
    Russia plays honestly and brilliantly, but everyone is afraid of the United States ... and what they are afraid of - they themselves do not know!
    One thing is good - Russia is the most powerful country in the world! No matter how they bend, plunder - She gets up from her knees! And I really want her to gasp at least once for someone ....
  25. Averias
    Averias April 5 2014 09: 49
    +5
    According to unverified data (but how to check that), Morgan began to play against the United States (well, not verbatim of course). Just how else can one regard his statements and actions, I quote:
    1. It is necessary to open alternative financial centers around the world (read, alternative currencies).
    2. Switch to calculations, to these very alternative currencies (that is, it says that you need to get rid of the Fed’s monopoly).
    3. Morgan is actively withdrawing capital from the United States, investing in stocks, assets of foreign companies, Chinese gold and more (that is, getting rid of the dollar).
    4. In plain text, speaks negatively about rating agencies (but this is most likely zilch and profanity. Since his group JP Morgan is a co-owner of one of these agencies).

    In unison with him, D. Trump is talking about the same thing. It only adds - leave me alone from Russia.
    What is it, a split among financial elites?
    1. fif21
      fif21 April 5 2014 13: 12
      +1
      No, they all understood - the dollar has outlived its usefulness, denyushki must be saved, the question is what and how? They have big problems, and they will solve them, and of course at the expense of those who, figuratively speaking, will try to keep the Titanic afloat while sitting in boats.
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    3. Turkir
      Turkir April 6 2014 11: 31
      0
      Sober calculation of big business players. what
  26. Bosk
    Bosk April 5 2014 09: 59
    +1
    And why can’t you go to platinum, gold and other strategic values?
    1. dustycat
      dustycat April 5 2014 17: 40
      +1
      Quote: Bosk
      And why can’t you go to platinum, gold and other strategic values?

      Just because the amount of these values ​​within the solar system is strictly limited and will limit the amount of money supply.
      And this is very absurd to the idea of ​​stock exchanges where zeros are simply stupidly drawn in the right amount.
  27. Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy April 5 2014 10: 03
    +2
    I think we must not forget that there is an information war going on. On the issue of switching to rubles in international settlements, we are probably in the same position as the Ukrainians. Few are well versed in economics. Everywhere from TV screens, newspapers and the Internet, they explain to us that the collapse of the dollar will hit us very painfully and around the world. This statement is beneficial only to mattress makers and their hangers-on. Accordingly, all such statements should be subjected to a clear analysis of independent experts. Note, we are repeating as a mantra "The collapse of the dollar will bury everyone, including us. We need to switch to rubles, but then, someday"
    The article is empty, propaganda in favor of the United States, what are your advantages? First, the reader was bought by the fact that the author stated that the United States was a sinking boat and of course it was necessary to switch to rubles, but ...
    But carefully and someday later .... About the banking sector and the commodity exchange this is certainly good, but there is no answer to the question why ... We will still trade on foreign exchanges.
    If there is a statement that the collapse of the United States will surely hit us hard, then I would like to hear more compelling arguments. How? Is it so scary? How long will it last? We got to the point that we simply believe without going into details that the collapse of the USA is scary superfood! And no longer ask why.
  28. Bakht
    Bakht April 5 2014 10: 10
    +7
    Incomprehensible article. It seems that the author scares the transition to rubles. It will be scary if the American economy drowns.

    The fact is that it is necessary to clearly separate two completely different things: the real economy and the speculative banking sector. All of these exchanges, mortgages, loans, and loans have long been inflated to unimaginable proportions. The system is on the verge of collapse. And the faster we all get off this overloaded boat, the better.

    Oil importers have to buy rubles? Very well. And where will they buy these same rubles? On the Russian currency exchange? So in Russia dollars and euros will be needed in very limited quantities. You can go to mutual settlements. Roughly speaking, barter.

    If Stalin had bought a thousand factories for dollars in the West, the USSR would have collapsed without any outside effort. Stalin paid with raw materials and gold. And I didn’t even think about any dollars and pounds. For deliveries of raw materials, he received from Germany the very press with which he stamped tanks against the same Germany.

    The transition to trade in rubles is the salvation of Russia in the impending financial typhoon. The bubble will burst. And I'm afraid that soon.
    1. sv68
      sv68 April 5 2014 10: 37
      -5
      Stalin was thinking about dolars, but the Cold War began, the states did not give money, therefore, they paid with what we have
      1. Bakht
        Bakht April 5 2014 10: 56
        +1
        Quote: sv68
        Stalin was thinking about dolars, but the Cold War began, the states did not give money, therefore, they paid with what we have

        I meant industrialization. That is, the 30s. The bourgeoisie for raw materials were ready to sell their mother. But Stalin did not need their mother. He needed plants. And in a crisis, the bourgeois sold him everything he requested. But according to some data, more than a thousand factories were delivered in the 30s.
    2. atalef
      atalef April 5 2014 10: 52
      -6
      Quote: Bakht
      . You can go to mutual settlements. Roughly speaking, barter.

      Of course - why, in exchange for understandable trade for a single currency (wbax), or switch to barter, on an interstate scale - with each country separately.
      We will rejoice the procurement commissions, we will rejoice Vneshtorg - and this is all for that --- what would that be?
      Or everything will not be an additional obstacle for normal trading. Will all these new officials work for free? Well, corruption is generally a sign. You can’t sell it for rubles except for rubles — or rather, not for rubles — but through barter charged through Vneshtorgbank — but in rubles.
      And why?
      I forgot to bury the dollar.
      Already passed similar, the USSR was bent.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht April 5 2014 11: 05
        +7
        Quote: atalef

        And what was wrong with the procurement commissions and Vneshtorg? Corruption? A large staff of officials? I also believed Korotich and Ogonyok (the so-called perestroika bulb) for a long time. I have not yet found official data on the apparatus of officials in the States and the late USSR. So, there were always more officials in the states than in the USSR. Therefore, they have crazy prices for services (what is produced in the states) and insanely low prices for imported goods (what is produced over the hill). Will there be corruption? She is everywhere and always. But it depends on how the state punishes corruption. The death penalty and complete (!) Confiscation immediately reduces corruption. If someone does not understand, then the truth is simple and harsh. The war is already underway. And before the hot phase there is not much left. Either there will be a rejection of mutual threats and the lifting of sanctions, or there will be a hot phase.

        Globalists like mantras recite spells about the global world, about the free movement of labor and capital. But in real life, no one can freely go to work in Europe. I can give examples from my own practice of how discrimination occurs in the country of residence. No one has the right to freely move their capital.

        The goal is not to sink the dollar. May it grow and prosper. I am a realist and I know that a bursting bubble, for several years (maybe 10 years) will throw everyone away. But I am opposed to the ruble exchange rate and lending conditions being determined in the Washington regional committee. By the way, free trade for bucks made sense when the buck was filled with the real sector and gold. Now, when it is not backed by gold, it is trading not on currency, but on colored paper.
  29. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan April 5 2014 10: 16
    +2
    In addition to strengthening the banking sector, it is very important to strengthen the Russian Army, so that even the thought does not occur to some "partner" about military interference in Russian affairs.
  30. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay April 5 2014 10: 17
    -2
    Yes, even a dollar, even a ruble is just a candy wrapper. Having sold oil for rubles, will we buy dollars for them to buy imports? And what's the point? We need to develop industrial production and export of high-tech goods, then the ruble itself will take its rightful place. A game of candy wrappers it's empty.
    1. Nevyatoy
      Nevyatoy April 5 2014 10: 25
      +7
      If we sell oil for rubles, then other states will have to sell our products for rubles, too, so that there would be something to buy our gas and oil.
    2. rolik
      rolik April 5 2014 11: 07
      +3
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Yes, even a dollar, even a ruble is just a candy wrapper.

      Fantik, this is something that is not provided by anything but exchange speculation.
  31. DesToeR
    DesToeR April 5 2014 10: 19
    +8
    One of the points of such a system is the development of the Russian banking sector, especially in its foreign part, plus the creation of a Russian exchange that will trade oil only for rubles, starting from the domestic market.

    This is a consequence of trading for rubles and not a condition. It would be better, as in Belarus, first to ensure food security for the population in case of any sanctions or trade war. Then they would finally begin to revive the production of Group A machines, their electronics with their own operating systems. And today you can trade not only for rubles or gold, but also on a barter basis: we supply you with raw materials, and you give us machines and technologies. Germany in the 30s of the last century willingly went for barter in foreign trade transactions, excluding foreign currencies as an intermediary. And they will not go anywhere - they will change.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 5 2014 10: 54
      -4
      Quote: DesToeR
      And today you can trade not only for rubles or gold, but also on a barter basis: we are raw materials for you, and you are machines and technologies for us

      In general, barter is exchange trade - it was before universal means of payment were invented - money. By the way, the basis of any business is credit and loans - what will you give out - barrels of oil?
      Do you think the Stone Age level trading system is more advanced?
      1. sled beach
        sled beach April 5 2014 15: 22
        +1
        Call barter the Stone Age! And paper and life on credit are the advanced achievements of mankind; it can only be stupid or povokator. Barter is the basis, body, mutually beneficial exchange-speculators will not work! Unlike the modern model of commodity exchange when money is earned from the air, because just stood nearby! Paradise of thieves and speculators, which, in principle, is one and the same.
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      3. Turkir
        Turkir April 6 2014 11: 36
        0
        Yes, yes, and having fun after the money. We know this for a long time, more than a thousand years.
  32. komel
    komel April 5 2014 10: 36
    0
    In order for Russia to be able to trade for rubles, buyers must show interest. There is no such interest, because of not having an interest. If it will be more profitable to buy for rubles than for other currencies, the market itself will react. At the moment, there is a desire to trade for rubles, but opportunities for buyers are not encouraged.
    1. Nevyatoy
      Nevyatoy April 5 2014 10: 51
      +5
      How kind and liberal you are. You think the Bretton Woods agreement is a purely voluntary, without pressure, decision of a number of countries to go under the dollar. Based on your logic, we will never switch to the ruble, as politically the West will never have the desire to trade for rubles. We can push the ruble through our gas and oil monopolies. It is not always necessary to wait for full approval, and you can confront the fact, and this must be done until they find an alternative to our energy resources.
    2. atalef
      atalef April 5 2014 10: 53
      -3
      Quote: komel
      At the moment, there is a desire to trade for rubles, but opportunities for buyers are not encouraged.


      And how can you stimulate the buyer to buy oil for rubles?
      1. Bakht
        Bakht April 5 2014 11: 20
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        And how can you stimulate the buyer to buy oil for rubles?


        Have you heard about the gas pipe deal? Briefly, it looked like this. Europe needed gas. And the USSR did not have the means to pull the pipeline from Yamal. There were very few dollars. Europe supplied large diameter pipes to the USSR and a gas pipeline was built from these pipes. The one that is now supplying gas to Europe. And from which these same Europeans now want to abandon. That is, the current gas money was laid in the budget of Russia by our browded order-bearer Brezhnev.

        By the way, there were bribes there too. And to Russian officials and European. And it is not known who is more welded.
      2. aleks77
        aleks77 April 5 2014 11: 34
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        And how can you stimulate the buyer to buy oil for rubles?

        price tags at the helm, and better protection for the seller and the buyers, so that the gopniks of the competitors wouldn’t break a showcase with their faces, and not take away the goods with the cash register, and their manager should not be instructed by others.
      3. komel
        komel April 5 2014 11: 50
        +2
        Export duties on oil and petroleum products must be different for the use of the Ruble. Export with lower duty.
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      5. fif21
        fif21 April 5 2014 13: 19
        0
        Quote: atalef
        And how can you stimulate the buyer to buy oil for rubles?
        YES !!! A simple marketing move is a discount of 1,2,3,4,5 percent.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 5 2014 13: 40
          -1
          Quote: fif21
          Quote: atalef
          And how can you stimulate the buyer to buy oil for rubles?
          YES !!! A simple marketing move is a discount of 1,2,3,4,5 percent.

          Great, I'm for it.
          As an Option - I’ll buy rubles (selling bucks) I will buy gas cheaper, then I will sell gas for bucks (to the local market in Europe) - if the price for 1000 cubic meters as a result of all these transfers to the ruble and back is less than directly in bucks - -- I am for.
          Only a small question - Russia will receive more or less money for rubles than if. sold immediately for bucks?
          Your recipe looks like an old proverb - Business in Russian
          Steal a box of vodka. sell at half price, and drink the money.
          1. fif21
            fif21 April 5 2014 16: 31
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Your recipe looks like an old proverb - Business in Russian Steal a box of vodka. sell at half price, and drink the money.
            Sorry this recipe is yours. We talked about the incentives for trading for rubles. For bucks a barrel costs x dollars, for rubles x-2%. If you also want to play on the difference in currencies, they do it now, too, they opened me up for America!
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          3. dustycat
            dustycat April 5 2014 17: 50
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Only a small question - Russia will receive more or less money for rubles

            First, Russia will receive a real convertible ruble and demand for the ruble in the foreign market.
            And this is at least the willingness to accept the ruble in any port tavern as a means of payment.
            And it is not a fact that during the procedure dollar-ruble-gas-dollar-ruble the dollar price in rubles before and after will be the same minus the exchanger margin.
            And this can give a little more percent of the cash-flow.
          4. Turkir
            Turkir April 6 2014 11: 46
            0
            It is interesting to receive advice from Israel. From a country with a highly developed economy.
            I agree to buy your advice for any money, but not more than 10 rubles apiece.
          5. Azat Babai
            Azat Babai April 6 2014 21: 16
            0
            << Steal a box of vodka >> This means getting a deadline. If you sell your own, you can bargain at a mutually beneficial price and terms. One did not steal once, now an invalid with a scythe wants to become the Maidan president. The other ... sat down in other matters, no longer wants.
          6. Azat Babai
            Azat Babai April 6 2014 22: 24
            0
            << Steal a box of vodka >> This means getting a deadline. If you sell your own, you can bargain at a mutually beneficial price and terms. One did not steal once, now an invalid with a scythe wants to become the Maidan president. The other ... sat down in other matters, no longer wants.
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      7. ty60
        ty60 April 5 2014 21: 04
        0
        don't sell for bucks.
  33. sv68
    sv68 April 5 2014 10: 48
    +1
    one of the biggest mistakes in the comments is that we sell oil for rubles, we are obliged to buy, say, machine tools for dollars. I'm sorry, but you can buy a minimum of machines to study copy-licensing, of course, and do the rest yourself. machine building and machine tool building should become strategic branches, less will depend on others, the sanctions against Russia will be less effective. You need to urgently invest money in the development and accelerated commissioning of Russian equipment, the rise of the native economy, and in about fifteen years if there is a case and did not speak nya-the whole world will trade with Russia in rubles
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 5 2014 11: 22
      +2
      What are we buying machines for now? For candy wrappers? Well, Russia will not have dollars for oil. But they will be for dollars received on the currency exchange. And not at a price of 36 rubles per dollar, but for example, for 20. Maybe someone is not profitable. But first you need to decide who exactly
  34. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 5 2014 10: 50
    -4
    If you sell for rubles, not only raw materials, but everything else .. And the rest we, unfortunately, buy for dollars .. agricultural products including ..
    1. parus2nik
      parus2nik April 5 2014 11: 32
      -1
      For those who have died ... We sell military equipment for rubles? Meat from Austria, tomatoes from Turkey, potatoes from Egypt ... also for rubles? .. In totalitarian times, local PKKs worked exclusively on products grown in the region, vegetables, fruits .. all now .. From abroad we import ..
      1. sled beach
        sled beach April 5 2014 15: 35
        +4
        Don’t shout about it, but you need to raise and equalize the ruble by all available means and without regard to the temporary benefit, the prospect is not the profit, investment in your state. Dollar is our enemy, like America, a direct enemy who looks into our faces and spits without hesitation so!
        1. parus2nik
          parus2nik April 5 2014 18: 10
          -1
          Voluntarism .. Khrushchev smelled like: "we will bury you" ... You do not shout .. Well, yes, it's better to accept steamers with their rubbish and waste .. Than send your own with our quality products .. It can be seen on the gas and oil needle, not just the state sitting ... and the citizens ... got hooked on the igloo ..
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    2. parus2nik
      parus2nik April 5 2014 21: 25
      0
      If in 1990 there would have been such an Internet, I would have been blamed for the fact that I am against the EBN ... when the country is in the heat of Yeltsin! Yeltsin! at the stadiums screaming..And nobody will settle accounts with Russia, definitely .. You are in your heat, you forgot that the oligarchs are at the helm ... And the oligarchs have a heart for dollars ... If they were nicer than rubles, they didn’t buy clubs abroad ..a invested in Russia ..Japanese, Europeans, came to buy used Russian cars, and the world was choking on new ones .. And Europe was kept not on a gas needle, but on a food one, and it’s environmentally friendly..And while the oligarchs, even Yo’s production -mobile could not be established .. laughing
  35. Stepan Vict
    Stepan Vict April 5 2014 11: 01
    +6
    If at least one of the countries in the world refuses the dollar, doesn’t accept it as a payment instrument, and it doesn’t matter which one, even if it is Nigeria, then the dollar will fall within a year, the beginning is important, and there it will go up, even Saudi Arabia, if it realizes that the dollar has swayed, will abandon it right away. Well, you can choose any currency, even gold.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 5 2014 13: 57
      -3
      Quote: Stepan Vikt
      . Well, you can choose any currency, even gold.

      How ? Will you drive trains with gold? Anyway, how much gold is there in the world? Are you sure that it’s enough to support the entire money turnover in the world
      As an example
      Gold reserves of Russia - 1536 tons.
      Money supply in Russia today
      30 trillion 459 billion
      1536 tons of gold today are worth - 1536000000 gram x 1476 rubles = 2,267 trillion rubles
      And with what will we provide the remaining 28 trillion? Or it is necessary to devalue the ruble 13 times.
      Your recipe?
      By the way, you can certainly buy another 15 tons of gold - against the security of the ruble. Just what to buy?
      All foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation now - 493 billion dollars - you can buy it
      2500 tons of gold
      It will not be enough.
      How to be?
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      2. nerd.su
        nerd.su April 5 2014 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Will you drive trains with gold?

        In fact, your ancestors taught the Templars how to act in this case.
        Quote: atalef
        And with what will we provide the remaining 28 trillion?

        We use the Soviet experience, then not only gold served as a guarantee. The point is that the problem is solvable.
      3. fif21
        fif21 April 5 2014 16: 41
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        All foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation now - 493 billion dollars - you can buy it
        Yes, why are you my friend, we want to put all the stale goods on us. Why should we buy bucks ?? To stimulate the economy of an unfriendly power ?? Buy their toilet paper ??? The prospect of a dollar is 0
      4. fif21
        fif21 April 5 2014 16: 41
        0
        Quote: atalef
        All foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation now - 493 billion dollars - you can buy it
        Yes, why are you my friend, we want to put all the stale goods on us. Why should we buy bucks ?? To stimulate the economy of an unfriendly power ?? Buy their toilet paper ??? The prospect of a dollar is 0
      5. Smoke
        Smoke April 5 2014 17: 45
        +3
        I’ll tell you the terrible secret of TSSC current to anyone, gold is just a commodity, moreover, it’s just one of the goods that the ruble can provide. So there is no need to devalue anything.
        What will the transition to settlements in rubles and not dollars give? The most important thing is the ability to control and carry out YOUR emission, and this, in turn, will give "long" and cheap loans for industry for a new reindustrialization. And we have no other choice, since the "Western partners" do not give us such "long" money, and we need to renew our industry, otherwise there will be no independence. Well, there is another option for a very extreme case - this is to return to the good old methods of I.V. Stalin - you give a five-year plan in three years! And you can't get away from it.
      6. dustycat
        dustycat April 5 2014 17: 56
        0
        Quote: atalef
        How to be?

        And you were not surprised by the story of Bitcoin ??
        And it was not surprising why right now - in the days of Maidan - it began?
        But estimate.
        They started selling oil for bitcoins.
        And after all, the barrel-bitcoin rate really appeared on the exchanges last summer.
        And immediately the race began on him.
        Why did it happen?
        1. atalef
          atalef April 6 2014 07: 52
          -1
          Quote: dustycat
          And you weren’t surprised by the story of Bitcoin ?? And you weren’t surprised why, right now - in the days of Maidan - did it start?

          Well, bitcoin began much earlier than Maidan and died safely.

          Quote: dustycat
          Why did it happen?

          Honestly, I didn’t understand what YOU were talking about, what to talk about non-existent.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat April 10 2014 18: 32
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Well, bitcoin began much earlier than Maidan and died safely.

            Well, maybe enlighten why the cranes for bitcoin began to be done not when, but precisely when the Maidan began?
      7. nezabor
        nezabor April 7 2014 02: 31
        0
        It is difficult to tie to gold, it is too small on the planet, but to the product - yes, for example to the same oil, that’s all beautiful.
      8. aquatic
        aquatic April 7 2014 21: 47
        0
        We won’t drive gold, the dollar is not provided with gold now, but with oil, gas, including our oil and gas. Our oil and gas will provide the ruble and not the dollar, that’s all. No need to buy gold to ensure the ruble, all that is needed to secure it is).
  36. egor 1712
    egor 1712 April 5 2014 11: 15
    +5
    Will Russia be able to trade oil and gas for rubles? Will be able! Moreover, only the desire for this terrifies the Fed. The West wanted to bring Russia to its knees with its sanctions, but Russian economists started talking that the introduction of sanctions against the Russian Federation can and should be safely used. To oblige foreign buyers of hydrocarbons to pay not in dollars, but in rubles. The system will resist, perhaps there will be provocations, the pressure on Russia will be all-round. But, as the author wrote: "before us is clear water, no" oil stains ", complete freedom of action, the ability to choose a route." It will be difficult, but Russia will not get used to it!
  37. komel
    komel April 5 2014 11: 21
    +3
    Reuters: Iran and Russia come close to oil-for-goods deal

    Iran and Russia have made progress in concluding a deal on the principle of “oil for goods”, the volume of which, according to some sources, could be up to $ 20 billion. According to the source, the parties want to conclude an agreement, according to which Iranian oil would be exchanged for industrial goods, including metals and food.
  38. Donskoi
    Donskoi April 5 2014 11: 22
    +7
    Will Russia manage to move away from such a hypothetical whirlpool to a safe distance? With the level of dependence that takes place today is unlikely, and means that you either need to include full forward, or, as they say, and not rock the boat ...

    If this is already so figuratively, then our ship must depart first. Choose the right moment of course and ... full speed ahead! When the "American trough" staggers, the rest of them will also go out in panic. But who will be among the first, he will come out with less losses.
    And the first can only be Russia (China is unlikely, too tied up - it will chicken out). Only the Russians will have enough courage and VVP - the captain of the icebreaker "Russian Federation" !!! bully
  39. konvalval
    konvalval April 5 2014 11: 27
    -3
    I believe that Russia, and not only should sell for dollars exactly as much as we need these dollars, but everything else for rubles.
  40. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 5 2014 11: 28
    +4
    The course taken by Russia to abandon the American currency is absolutely correct, now there will be barking and pressure on Russia for those people and structures who refuse the dollar as a sickle in one place and it hurts and is insulting. Without the dollar, they become impotent, not capable of anything, in addition to this, funds stolen in Russia will be less withdrawn abroad.
  41. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 April 5 2014 11: 42
    +1
    Will Russia manage to move away from such a hypothetical whirlpool to a safe distance? With the level of dependence that takes place today is unlikely, and means that you either need to include full forward, or, as they say, and not rock the boat ...

    You, like everyone else, are talking about the Russian state as a state of oligarchs! But this state is made up of ordinary people who, to put it mildly, don't give a damn about the oligarchs! Everyone perfectly represents the face of this state, it is a flourishing capital, and a niche periphery! These are world prices for fuel and lubricants inside the country !? And as elsewhere, all problems lie with citizens, and all the blessings of the power of the imush! And therefore, what is happening with the dolar and how is it with the dolar, these are only your problems, that is, taxiing! And the people are well aware that they will only begin to demand justice, how the oligarchs will immediately arrange for their people the Syrian or Libyan scenario, or the analogy of the Maidan! Because the capitalists of the whole world are theirs! And all flirting with the people just to keep the situation under control!
    1. ty60
      ty60 April 5 2014 21: 20
      0
      we don’t have a ride. the level is different.
  42. rotor
    rotor April 5 2014 11: 47
    0
    It is only natural that Russia should sell its goods for rubles.

    But first, you need to create a strong economy.

    Inflation should be at a comfortable level of 2% and the ruble should not fall. Otherwise, how commodity exporters will be able to conclude long-term contracts without loss of profit.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat April 5 2014 18: 02
      0
      Quote: rotor
      But first, you need to create a strong economy.

      This is a long time.
      Making the state’s currency easier and faster.
      Did Russia have a strong economy in 1922?
      And the golden chervonets appeared.
      And then - after two five-year periods - a strong economy emerged through industrialization.
  43. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id April 5 2014 11: 49
    -4
    for the yuan.
    Every year, Russia sells oil and gas abroad in the amount of more than $ 200 billion.

    in fact, Russian fuel exports are about $ 370 billion, not 200. (2012) - 70% of all Russian exports.
    the rest is traditionally wood, metal, hemp, honey and slaves smile
    1. fif21
      fif21 April 5 2014 13: 27
      +4
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      the rest is traditionally wood, metal, hemp, honey and slaves
      You forgot the export of arms, grain, space technology, and this is a decent money my friend hi
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    3. rotor
      rotor April 5 2014 14: 19
      +1
      “The total export deliveries of Gazprom, Rosneft and Rosoboronexport amount to almost $ 230 billion per year, or 44% of the total export of goods,” the head of VTB said.
  44. rotor
    rotor April 5 2014 11: 50
    -4
    at first, this will slightly lower the price of oil, but it will stabilize the Russian ruble, which today is throwing it in the heat, then in the cold at the mere click of a finger in the White House and the US Federal Reserve.


    In fact, investors are fleeing from Russia due to a slowdown in the economy and possible Western sanctions. And trading for rubles will not help here. Investors take away dollars, not rubles.
    1. fif21
      fif21 April 5 2014 13: 33
      +2
      Quote: rotor
      In fact, investors are fleeing from Russia due to a slowdown in the economy and possible Western sanctions. And trading for rubles will not help here. Investors take away dollars, not rubles.
      Investors want to make a profit, but in what currency? yes FSUs even in tugriks! By the way, you have outdated information - investors are coming back!
      1. rotor
        rotor April 7 2014 18: 09
        0
        yes FSUs even in tugriks!


        An investor doesn’t care how much to exchange earned Tugriks, 30 or 40 per dollar.
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    3. dustycat
      dustycat April 5 2014 18: 16
      +1
      Quote: rotor
      In fact, investors are fleeing from Russia due to a slowdown in the economy and possible Western sanctions.

      In fact, from March 25, Russian exchanges are already growing steadily.

      Quote: rotor
      Investors take away dollars, not rubles.


      They would accept rubles for any product anywhere in the world - they would take out rubles and receive a little more income on the exchange rate on those exchanges and in those currency pairs where it would be profitable.
      1. rotor
        rotor April 7 2014 17: 28
        0
        The outflow of capital from the country for the first quarter amounted to $ 60 billion compared to $ 12 billion for the same period last year.
        1. rotor
          rotor April 7 2014 18: 05
          0
          Or there were data for the second quarter to say something.
  45. irek
    irek April 5 2014 11: 52
    -4
    you need to nationalize the national bank to change the constitution then everything will change right away
  46. Tanarri
    Tanarri April 5 2014 12: 03
    -2
    The article is not about anything. It is not indicated how to do what the author suggests, not what the consequences of this will be positive and negative. There is some comparison with a sinking ship. Solid emotions.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 6 2014 11: 57
      0
      Excuse me for the amendment. It is necessary to write "about nothing".
  47. mamont5
    mamont5 April 5 2014 12: 05
    +1
    You can trade for gold and for rubles. Well, one must be strong in order to adequately respond to the cries and squeals of amers and their jackals.
  48. Bakht
    Bakht April 5 2014 12: 10
    +4
    It looks something like this
    1. Tektor
      Tektor April 5 2014 12: 46
      0
      This picture is a vile snag: why does the Central Bank have nothing left in its "Balance 4" ??? Why spread nonsense ??? Have you met an idiot who would give his money to the bank for nothing?
      1. Bakht
        Bakht April 5 2014 17: 02
        +4
        Quote: Tektor

        It looks something like this. The country's foreign exchange reserves are stored .... I wonder where they are stored? Part in the country, and part in interest-bearing deposits in bourgeois banks. And in securities that bring maximum benefit. There are flaws in the picture. For example, the Central Bank remains interest with gold reserves. But this is too much risk.

        About 15 years ago, on a television box, I watched a live broadcast from an open meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers of Azerbaijan. Just our Patriarch gave zvizdyule MinFin. The country was left for 2 months without any money. No money at all. So the system is working. And precisely from this picture. Oil sold, money put in Switzerland. And they could not get interest. Some kind of comma was in the wrong place.

        Recently, I often hear that Russia has stopped laying all the eggs in one basket. But I would welcome a rejection of the dollar. And not only in Russia.
      2. dustycat
        dustycat April 5 2014 18: 24
        0
        Quote: Tektor
        Why does the Central Bank have nothing left in "Balance 4" ???

        Think for yourself.
        The Fed dollar - the Central Bank dollar - the ruble The Central Bank - oil - the Central Bank dollar - the Central Bank ruble - the Fed dollar.
        In addition to the broth from cooking eggs, the Central Bank has nothing.
        1. Tektor
          Tektor April 5 2014 22: 17
          0
          The Central Bank has interest on state securities on its balance sheet. By the way, you can get a loan for these papers if you really need money ... And under these papers rubles were issued that spin in the economy and generate profits for which there is a government that orders defense defenders with warheads. Consequently, the criminal Central Bank insidiously deceives the Fed and with its money produces warheads that can destroy the Fed ...
  49. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 5 2014 12: 20
    +4
    Our gas, our oil! With which we cannot sell all this for Our hazel grouse !!! This is the same money!
  50. Bosk
    Bosk April 5 2014 12: 34
    0
    Are the times of exchange in kind coming ...