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“Many want to return to the Cold War”

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“Many want to return to the Cold War”



“I hope that negotiations with Moscow will urgently begin on the creation of a common free zone from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. If at the same time Moscow also understands that Europeans are building the future of Europe with it, then problems around Ukraine will fade into the background, ”political analyst Alexander Rahr told VIEW VIEW, commenting on the recognition of Western diplomats in the fallacy of their policies towards Russia.

As the newspaper VIEW reported, the Russian Foreign Ministry on the eve responded to the decisions taken by the "Weimar Triangle" on Monday. According to Russian diplomats, “the initiative for Russia and the EU to negotiate with Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia“ regarding the consequences for all parties as a result of the signing of association agreements with the EU by the Eastern Partnership countries ”is particularly striking.

“That is, in fact, supported by the original Russian proposal, which was put forward as early as November of 2013 of the year and which was immediately rejected by the European Union. As they say, better late than never! But are they ready for this in Brussels and the aforementioned Eastern Partnership countries is a big question, ”the Foreign Ministry said.

Recall the countries - participants of the "Weimar Triangle": Germany, France and Poland - called for a renewed approach to the policy of the European Union towards its neighbors in the east, said Deutsche Welle on the eve. A joint statement by the foreign ministers of the three states: Frank-Walter Steinmeier Laurent Fabius and Radoslaw Sikorski, made on Monday in Weimar, states that Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Belarus and Azerbaijan should be allowed to work closely with both Western and Eastern partners and not to put them in the future before a tough choice - either an orientation towards the West or Russia.

Western diplomats who gathered in Weimar, moreover, directly admitted that they were underestimating Moscow’s possible reaction to an association agreement between the EU and Ukraine, and spoke in favor of rethinking their policies towards Russia.

In addition, as noted on Smolensk Square, the heads of diplomacy of France, Germany and Poland actually "confirmed the vitality of the main elements" of the Ukrainian agreement of February 21. “The ministers also remembered the catastrophic situation in the Ukrainian economy. Judging by the statement, our partners realize that without interaction with Russia, it will be extremely difficult to achieve a significant correction of the situation, ”the Foreign Ministry notes.

Alexander Rahr, scientific director of the German-Russian Forum, told the newspaper VZGLYAD about how far work in the West should go in the West.

VIEW: Alexander Glebovich, the “Weimar Triangle” assures that he did not expect from the Kremlin such a sharp reaction to the rapprochement between Ukraine and the EU. And why did they not expect it?


Aleksandr Rar


Aleksandr Rar: It’s worth seeing how the European Union’s Eastern Partnership was created in the last five years. The EU has aimed to bring Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia and even Belarus out of the influence of Russia, and Russia, in turn, in effect, will push Europe away from Europe. And very little was said within this European partnership about attempts or incentives to integrate Russia into the common European space.

We can say that we have completely forgotten about the dialogue with Russia over the creation of a common economic zone from Lisbon to Vladivostok. The EU’s stake was made only on associations with Ukraine, Georgia and so on, in order to make them closer to the EU - at the expense of their economic relations with Russia. This was a big mistake, but, unfortunately, not everyone in Europe understands this.

Now we need to make absolutely clear conclusions, recognize our own mistakes within the EU and correct this policy. It will not be easy. Because within the EU there are countries that say: “We have always known that Russia does not seek the EU, but only wants to have control over its zone of influence ...” There will be countries that will not speak for cooperation with Russia, but, on the contrary, even greater rigidity to it: the Scandinavian countries, Eastern Europe and England.

VIEW: Roughly speaking, on the one hand, there are “Euro-Russophobes”, on the other - pragmatists, business people?

AR: This is not a Russophobic approach; here we are talking about our own interests. There are countries within the European Union, such as Germany, which are able to imagine that together with Russia it is possible to stabilize the European continent. And there are countries that, not by their Russophobia, but by their historical experience, have always viewed Russia as a conqueror, as a country that needs to be feared. These are mainly neighbors of Russia, Eastern European countries. It is difficult to expect them to lead a constructive line. They always said that Russia needed to restrain, strengthen NATO and the EU, and advocated an association for Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia and others.

VIEW: The countries of the "Weimar Triangle" were in favor of rethinking their actions in relation to Russia. If they are revised, what will be the new set of methods?

AR: The Weimar Triangle countries made the right conclusion. But I do not understand why such an understanding in the EU could not have taken place a year ago, then we would have avoided many of the current conflicts.

I hope that negotiations with Moscow will urgently begin on the creation of a common free zone from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. If at the same time Moscow also understands that Europeans are building the future of Europe with it, then the problems around Ukraine will go to the background. Because Russia, aimed not at China, but at Europe, will no longer oppose Ukraine’s seeking access to Europe.

Now the EU countries can come to the conclusion that it is time to look for a common language with Russia. But I do not exclude that there will be forces that will argue that Russia is an aggressor and it is necessary to build Europe without Russia. This key issue will be solved in one direction or another. The option that I fear is to strengthen NATO and the EU against Russia and return to the tools of the Cold War, when everyone held each other and held back the Soviet Union: “Now we will restrain Russia so that it does not attack us, so that it does not threaten us Such a psychology, I repeat, also takes place in the West.

These are two absolutely mutually exclusive positions. If Europeans show wisdom, they will take the first. But if they are led by current emotions, then there will be problems.

VIEW: Again, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry, the West realized that without interaction with Russia, it would be extremely difficult to achieve improvement in Ukraine. Does this mean that the West will openly ask the Kremlin for help soon?

AR: It is absolutely clear to every sober-minded person that Ukraine cannot financially stabilize, economically alone, neither the European Union nor Russia can. Looking for joint action. I think this is the only way out, but this is not all have come. Look at the decision of NATO, which now no longer wants to cooperate with Moscow ... So it's not so simple. There are enough forces in the West that still do not speak in one language.

VIEW: The countries of the “Weimar Triangle” now support the idea of ​​joint with Russia, that is, in a trilateral format, negotiations with Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia. Why did they change their mind? And will not other important EU members, for example, the United Kingdom, object?

AR: The countries of the Weimar Triangle made it necessary to change its mind sober assessment of the situation, understanding why Moscow acted in Ukraine, especially in the Crimea, so toughly that the economic interests of eastern Ukraine and Russia itself, which the West had no right to neglect, are behind this. And also the understanding that all these countries: Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia and so on - are so economically connected with Russia that it was impossible to put them before a choice - either or. It is good that such statements were made, let's see how they will be realized. It is very possible that the rest will object.

VIEW: According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, the “Weimar Triangle” actually “confirmed the vitality of the main elements” of the Kiev agreement of February 21. Why was he remembered just now?

AR: I can only assume that there are objective reasons for this - you first need to extinguish the fire that arose in Ukraine, to solve urgent economic problems.

From the February 21 agreement, no one ever refused. For Russia, it was necessary to realize one hundred percent and hold on to it, not to retreat anywhere. And in the West they said that it was violated by the situation itself: Yanukovych lost power, the Maidan stopped listening to opposition leaders and the situation didn’t really get out of control, but developed further. The contract may be outdated somewhere, but no one in the European Union says that it is wrong and you shouldn’t stick to it.

There are important elements that will sooner or later serve as the foundation for a settlement in Ukraine: for example, to connect the authorities of Eastern Ukraine to the country's government in order for a new executive authority to be recognized by everyone in the world, legal, and, of course, a change of constitution. All these measures are being discussed by Russia, Europeans, Americans, Ukrainians.

VIEW: How would you rate the statement of the authors of the British newspaper The Telegraph that Putin wins the psychological war by teaching the West a master class with his actions against Ukraine?

AR: Questions about who won, who lost, only add fuel to the fire. If we come to a reasonable understanding that we are responsible for strengthening Europe, for creating a common economic zone, if the crisis leads to the fact that finally the European Union or the Eurasian Union will create a common cooperation platform, if we understand that the threats to which we are - not inside Europe, but they are common to us - outside of Europe, then we will all win.

But many want to return to the Cold War, which may be convenient for them, because they make a career in the Cold War, there are such forces in all countries, including Russia. And if we go in the wake of these forces, then Europe will be split. In no case should this split be encouraged. It is necessary to search for the last exits from a very difficult situation.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 4 2014 15: 35
    +18
    So many people profited from the "cold war" that they JUST DREAM of its return ...
    1. OST_51RU
      OST_51RU April 4 2014 15: 51
      +51
      The Cold War never stopped.
      It was fought against Russia in one form or another, even when EBN shouted "Friend Billy !!!" in an alcoholic intoxication, and, like a trained pug, carried out the commands of his "friend".
      1. Vityok
        Vityok April 4 2014 16: 28
        +18
        What I can’t remember when the cold war ended? In my opinion, it did not end for more than one minute. Remember: Baku, Tbilisi, Krabakh .... two Chechens. Gorbachev, YELTSIN, Gaidar ..... Is this not a cold war?
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt April 4 2014 21: 41
          +4
          What you have listed is an easy shower for the Cold War. No need to bother. War is the same competition in the aggravation phase. In Russia, the last "cold" killed no less than the hot one - "Second Patriotic". From the fact that the enemy was not shown, but he was inside, in Power.
      2. avg
        avg April 4 2014 18: 01
        +15
        I do not want to simplify, but, in my opinion, five main reasons can be identified in the proposal for joint negotiations in a trilateral format.
        1. The Europeans are aware of the fact that not the present, not the future, created as a result of the elections, the Ukrainian government is simply not able to rule the country.
        2. Understanding that they can’t do anything militarily, and the situation may well be such that Russia will have to protect people in the Southeast.
        3. Understanding that Russia was not afraid of the threat of imposing sanctions, and their further buildup would hit Europe, which had just begun to recover from the crisis.
        4. After zeroing the duties on gas supplied to Ukraine, simple calculations showed that all loans allocated to Ukraine will go to pay for it.
        5. Perhaps, it was understood that the United States was once again trying to “heat the heat with the wrong hands” and solve its selfish problems at the expense of Russia, Ukraine and Europe.
        Of course, the whole struggle is yet to come and take off your ear, you need to “keep watch”, but the process, as they say, has begun. yes
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt April 4 2014 21: 46
          +1
          Talking is always better. But to do it for sure is more reliable and tangible. And then talk again. And again do, do, do. laughing Let them write down who needs it. Historians are darkness.
        3. PATTIY
          PATTIY April 4 2014 22: 22
          0
          Quote: avg
          that the United States is once again trying to "heat the heat with the wrong hands" and at the expense of Russia, Ukraine and Europe to solve its selfish problems.

          :))) yeah! Do not give money! We need to improve our country.
          Now here we have the Crimea fellow appeared.
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 4 2014 21: 18
        +2
        drinks
        Quote: Ost_51RU
        like a trained pug, he fulfilled the commands of his "friend".

        So it is trained. Remember how he sat down in England and even did not get out of the plane - it was good for a man, but here are some English.
      4. Penzyac
        Penzyac April 4 2014 22: 19
        0
        Quote: Ost_51RU
        The Cold War never stopped.
        It was fought against Russia in one form or another, even when EBN shouted "Friend Billy !!!" in an alcoholic intoxication, and, like a trained pug, carried out the commands of his "friend".


        EBN has never been a "trained pug" himself, but, at the same time, he was very understandable and predictable for the West and, therefore, with the help of its real agents of influence (for example, BAB) surrounded by Yeltsin, the West, as a rule, easily managed to achieve from EBN the results he needs.
    2. aksakal
      aksakal April 4 2014 16: 13
      +23
      Quote: svp67
      So many people profited from the "cold war" that they JUST DREAM of its return ...

      - Well, to whom the war, and to whom - the mother is dear, although it is cold.
      Pay attention to how beautifully they are now moving away from demand for trying to throw Russia with the agreements of February 21: No one ever refused the agreement on February 21. For Russia it was necessary to realize it one hundred percent and hold on to it, not to retreat anywhere. And in the West they said that it was violated by the situation itself: Yanukovych lost power, Maidan stopped listening to opposition leaders and the situation did not just get out of control, but developed further. The agreement may be out of date somewhere, but no one in the European Union says that it is wrong and should not be held for. laughing laughing No, we didn't refuse and didn't throw, the situation just changed a little, well, it seemed to us that it had changed. Hasn't changed, you say? Well then, let's continue with these agreements. I think so, it's too late, for an attempt it is necessary to punish with loss or deterioration of positions. And on May 9, this deterioration must be done - after all, on May 9, the Right Sector will begin to beat those few veterans who dare to wear, perhaps for the last time, a military suit with orders-medals. Then the people should stand up for these veterans in unison, and the Right Sector will quite predictably switch from veterans to the people. Here "polite little green men" appear, they drive away the right sector, it is desirable to drive them away so that at the sight of a "polite little green man" the Banderlog's teeth in the future chattered with fear and broken bones began to ache. The people, rubbing the abrasions, begin to talk seriously about the REFERENDUM, SIMILAR TO THE CRIMEAN. There is no need to obey the sweet conciliatory speeches of the EU and the States, they are from weakness, and in the 90s they did not spare the Russians at all, when everything was the other way around, when they were on horseback. NEED TO FINISH! Fell - he is in power, he just pretends that you will not hit the fallen one! A kick in the face immediately, pretending - it's worse for him! There won't be another chance. To win back the South-East for yourself, and return in case of political necessity you can always have time!
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 4 2014 17: 42
        +10
        Quote: aksakal
        Then the people should stand together for these veterans, and the Right Sector will quite predictably switch from veterans to the people

        Alexander Rar all the time about the economy, they say they did not take into account the interests of Russia, if from Lisbon to the Pacific Ocean, and not just the Eastern Partnership, the Russian Federation would have nothing against Ukraine’s aspiration for the EU ...
        In this case, the question somehow falls, that they overthrew the hated "power" under the Bandera national-fascist slogansthat many key posts in power were captured by nationalist creatures.
        Yes, they were simply dissatisfied with corruption, etc., but they did not do the weather on the Maidan.
        If they were yelling: whoever doesn’t jump, the same family from Yanukovych, oligarchyak to gilyak, Kolomoisky to soap, Taruta to knives, Yulia to parachute, the Russian Federation would not "react so harshly." yes
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac April 4 2014 23: 00
          0
          Quote: Alekseev
          Quote: aksakal
          Then the people should stand together for these veterans, and the Right Sector will quite predictably switch from veterans to the people

          Alexander Rar all the time about the economy, they say they did not take into account the interests of Russia, if from Lisbon to the Pacific Ocean, and not just the Eastern Partnership, the Russian Federation would have nothing against Ukraine’s aspiration for the EU ...


          That's right, the West measures everything on its own, from the point of view of simple selfish interests (nothing personal, just business), so it simply does not understand that the "Ukrainian question" for Russia is not so much an economic and geo-political issue as a personal, family one. ... Although, for example, the Germans should have remembered their feelings during the division of Germany into opposing Germany and the German Democratic Republic, then they would have understood us much better.
      2. Sunflower
        Sunflower April 4 2014 20: 16
        +4
        We never regretted the Russians. We ourselves rose from our knees and wiped our broken, bloody mouth and walked and defended not only ourselves, but also our younger brothers ... and the Cold War ... well, the same way they lived in Soviet times without the West and nothing , on the contrary, production worked, agriculture developed, patriotism was at the level, and there was no any abomination, such as gays and others.
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    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 4 2014 16: 19
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      “Many want to return to the Cold War”
      it's a fact ... BUT - "Many want to return to the Cold War" - for that there was a job! and the "drones" were caught and imprisoned for parasitism! hi
      1. cdrt
        cdrt April 4 2014 23: 03
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Quote: svp67
        “Many want to return to the Cold War” is a fact ... BUT- “Many want to return to the Cold War” - that's a job! and the "drones" were caught and imprisoned for parasitism!


        That's about these and it is written that many want to return to the Cold War.
    5. ele1285
      ele1285 April 4 2014 16: 26
      +11
      Quote: svp67
      So many people profited from the "cold war" that they JUST DREAM of its return ...

      But I don’t understand something, Poland is now playing a key role in gayrope, or is simply clinging to it, after all, she also “fought” in the Cold War on the side of the Union. Well, they are not used to betraying and throwing everyone, people are so rotten
      1. Sunflower
        Sunflower April 4 2014 20: 18
        +3
        Yes, they were always rotten, well ... everyone licked.
      2. PATTIY
        PATTIY April 4 2014 22: 31
        +2
        Quote: ele1285
        such a rotten people

        the most that neither is - pravoseki went from them. They are among themselves genetic relatives. They cannot forget their passive speech.
    6. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 4 2014 18: 04
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      So many people profited from the "cold war" that they JUST DREAM of its return ...

      But it seems to me that the main message is here:
      Quote: svp67
      Because Russia, aimed not at China, but at Europe, will no longer resist the fact that Ukraine is looking for access to Europe.

      Here! Here is the main idea! They do not want our alliance with China! They are afraid!
      And everything else is just lace!
    7. waisson
      waisson April 4 2014 19: 28
      +6
      poster from the past
      1. waisson
        waisson April 4 2014 19: 30
        +6
        and these are real realities
    8. waisson
      waisson April 4 2014 19: 51
      +1
      and someone dreamed about it
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    10. Stalker
      Stalker April 4 2014 20: 29
      0
      So many people profited from the "cold war" that they JUST DREAM of its return ...

      Very hot heads in the west and across the ocean will cool liquid nitrogen well !!!! laughing
    11. cdrt
      cdrt April 4 2014 23: 01
      0
      Quote: svp67
      So many people profited from the "cold war" that they JUST DREAM of its return ...


      And on both sides of the Iron Curtain ...
  2. konvalval
    konvalval April 4 2014 15: 40
    +5
    Something not particularly Europe seeks to cooperate with us. She is more drawn to the Cold War. But in Ukraine and in general there is no one to talk to now.
  3. Sergg
    Sergg April 4 2014 15: 43
    +6
    Questions about who won, who lost, only add fuel to the fire.


    Dear politicians, I would like you not to forget that our people still live in the southeast of Ukraine, and we cannot forget about Ukraine solely for this reason. What does the game have to do with it? There are living people.

    We don’t give a damn about the rest of the ruin, we already realized that we don’t take them and are not friends. Here, really, enough illusions.
    1. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... April 4 2014 16: 47
      +17
      There are living people.


      Who are already losing jobs, are being persecuted for freely expressing their opinions!

      But! ... I, as a woman, begin to boil! Due to the circumstances, I'm not in Ukraine now ...
      Why are they inactive ?!
      WHY give these scum the opportunity to openly face threats?
      Why do they swallow insults?
      Why give the opportunity to manage themselves as a herd?
      That is why there are no borders anymore ...

      Is it possible for us women to take pitchforks? Where is the mining spirit that we trust in? Where is the dignity and strength of a person who believes in himself? ... Time passes ...
      All. Splashed out.
      1. kocclissi
        kocclissi April 4 2014 17: 49
        +3
        We did not make a scandal - the leader was missing.
        There are few real violent people - there are no leaders.
        But the intrigues and nonsense of the network we have and nonsense,
        And the wicked intrigues of enemies will not spoil us!
        Everything is pitiful .........
      2. Sunflower
        Sunflower April 4 2014 20: 22
        +4
        So I can’t understand why they’re inactive? Well, they are going to rallies, they’re screaming, Russia. They are waiting for Russia? They want to go to paradise on someone else’s hump? And they themselves do not want to protect their homes and lands? Why ??? !!!
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 4 2014 21: 26
          +2
          That's for sure ! First of all, we must act ourselves, this is how Crimea - everyone rose together, and we supported. They helped so many waiting people, and then they turned their ass to us when, on the other hand, the more generous uncles showed the gingerbread.
      3. PATTIY
        PATTIY April 4 2014 22: 45
        +1
        Quote: infinite silence ...
        Why give the opportunity to manage themselves as a herd?

        To do this, all the media blocked.
        And this month they were brainwashed.
        There are hundreds of technologies for changing and manipulating consciousness.
        You could even say - zombies.
        Unfortunately, a way out of this state will occur, but it will be too late. For the country.
        1. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... April 5 2014 09: 45
          0
          Already missed a lot ...
      4. Penzyac
        Penzyac April 4 2014 23: 28
        +1
        Quote: infinite silence ...
        There are living people.


        Who are already losing jobs, are being persecuted for freely expressing their opinions!

        But! ... I, as a woman, begin to boil! Due to the circumstances, I'm not in Ukraine now ...
        Why are they inactive ?!
        WHY give these scum the opportunity to openly face threats?
        Why do they swallow insults?
        Why give the opportunity to manage themselves as a herd?
        That is why there are no borders anymore ...

        Is it possible for us women to take pitchforks? Where is the mining spirit that we trust in? Where is the dignity and strength of a person who believes in himself? ... Time passes ...
        All. Splashed out.


        There are women in Russian villages!
        By the way, many in Russia (both men and women) are tormented by the same questions.
        1. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... April 5 2014 20: 06
          0
          Andrey, I have two kids in my arms. I have no right to leave them without mom. But deep down I understand that I will leave them without a homeland!
          Mentally there. From understanding the situation, the heart contracts!
          I want to return to my Donetsk, as before - to the city of roses! He is infinitely dear to me!
    2. via75
      via75 April 4 2014 20: 26
      +2
      In the west of Ukraine there are also Subcarpathian Rusyns, who already in 2008 turned for help to Russia and Belarus with a request to recognize the independence of Subcarpathian Rus ..
      1. Wheel
        Wheel April 4 2014 23: 52
        +2
        Quote: via75
        In the west of Ukraine there are also Subcarpathian Rusyns, who already in 2008 turned for help to Russia and Belarus with a request to recognize the independence of Subcarpathian Rus ..

        So they back in the early 90s requested the Russian Federation ...
  4. polite people
    polite people April 4 2014 15: 48
    +8
    The main thing now is almost 9 million people,
    who are waiting for our help. soldier
    1. Sergg
      Sergg April 4 2014 15: 57
      +4
      who are waiting for our help

      Exactly, it hurts them to lose, what will happen to them if we leave them, imagine how they get the brains out, they will cease to be our people.
      There is a tough information war and human souls are victims in this war ...
    2. kocclissi
      kocclissi April 4 2014 18: 00
      +2
      Quote: polite people
      The main thing now is almost 9 million people,
      who are waiting for our help.

      And the rest? As some individual put it: to wet with nuclear weapons? It’s easy to empty the brains!
  5. Chifka
    Chifka April 4 2014 15: 49
    +3
    "Back to the Cold War, then to plywood planes, then to iron armor, bows and arrows, then to stone idols and cave paintings ..." European progress ...
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 4 2014 16: 44
      +1
      Missed the witch hunt era.
  6. Siberian19
    Siberian19 April 4 2014 15: 51
    +13
    start southeast finish in America, if you do not calm down!
    1. TEODOR
      TEODOR April 4 2014 17: 31
      +7
      We will break through anyway. But we need to negotiate with Europe. As already shown by the reaction of the inhabitants of Europe, not everything is so simple. A large number of Europeans support the position of Russia. They themselves are zaib .. Sorry I'm tired of the geyliberalistically tolerant policy of their own authorities. Elections in France have shown that the opposition, making statements for rapprochement with Russia, is gaining strength, everyone has already got it. The ruling forces see what the electorate wants and do not seek to leave a fat place. Soon the elections will roll across Europe, you need to score points. In general, I conclude that our victory is not regional but global. Vladimir Vladimirovich takes off his hat. hi
    2. Sochi
      Sochi April 4 2014 17: 41
      +10
      Good evening! About the weather forecast for tomorrow, October 27, 2015. Tomorrow in Russia the weather is different. In Moscow, Saratov, Paris, Milan and Syzran, plus 18 degrees. In the Amazon region, the Volga-Vyatka region, the Brazilian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, the Chilean Autonomous Okrug and Ust-Buenos Aires, plus 27-29 degrees. In China, Buryatia, Korea and other areas of Siberia to plus 25. And, finally, about the weather abroad. In Minsk, plus 17. Goodbye.)))
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred April 4 2014 20: 05
        +3
        Quote: Sochi
        Good evening! About the weather forecast for tomorrow, October 27, 2015. Tomorrow in Russia the weather is different. In Moscow, Saratov, Paris, Milan and Syzran, plus 18 degrees. In the Amazon region, the Volga-Vyatka region, the Brazilian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, the Chilean Autonomous Okrug and Ust-Buenos Aires, plus 27-29 degrees. In China, Buryatia, Korea and other areas of Siberia to plus 25. And, finally, about the weather abroad. In Minsk, plus 17. Goodbye.)))

        On the Moon: -187 at night, +145 at day. On Mars: a dust storm, the temperature is about -36. On Jupiter, cloudy, fog, light wind up to 350m / s. In the constellation Centaurus, midnight. (Plays the anthem of Russia)
  7. Magadan
    Magadan April 4 2014 15: 55
    +3
    Europe will do what the United States tells them, in my opinion this should be completely clear to everyone.
    Of course, they sometimes manage to bargain for themselves, act not so rudely as the Washington regional committee wants, or even otmazyvatsya from sending troops for the next triumph of democracy, but in general, as America says, they will do so. Judge for yourself - Merkel and other Euro-leaders are being tapped, but they are still planting the Bolivian president’s plane, because there might be Snowden, who told about the same wiretapping.
    Europe will not interfere with the Cold War. All hope is solely on the common people, primarily on the Americans, that those Washington despots of bankers will somehow be thrown off somehow.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 4 2014 21: 32
      +1
      Quote: Magadan
      All hope is solely on ordinary people, primarily on Americans, that those Washington despots of bankers will somehow be thrown off somehow.

      You should not count on this. Once it was hoped that in the event of war, the German proletariat would rise and dump the Hitler regime.
    2. PATTIY
      PATTIY April 4 2014 22: 56
      0
      Quote: Magadan
      All hope is solely on ordinary people, primarily on Americans, that those Washington despots of bankers will somehow be thrown off somehow.

      what for? Many do not know where such Russia is on the map.
      Heard something out of the corner of the ear and all.
      Americans are consumers. They pay taxes and live for their pleasure.
      What their governments will do for such happiness does not matter.
  8. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 April 4 2014 15: 55
    0
    Quote: svp67
    So many people profited from the "cold war" that they JUST DREAM of its return ...

    no more than one of the Eurodermocrats expresses his point of view and no more .. air crescendo a set of common phrases, etc. did not even read a quick run ..
  9. mig31
    mig31 April 4 2014 15: 56
    0
    And how about cold boiling water from the Orthodox people ...
  10. 787nkx
    787nkx April 4 2014 15: 58
    +5
    What is good for the Russians is death for the German.
    And vice versa .
    We will not build anything serious with them, we are very different.
    Of course, it is necessary to cooperate in the necessary aspects, but global projects, including. all "streams" will not end well.
    Global cooperation requires global understanding and acceptance, but we do not have it.
    They are not bad or we are just very different.
  11. mabuta
    mabuta April 4 2014 16: 01
    +10
    For some reason, I don’t believe in the pragmatism of the West. They all work on the principle of a fire extinguisher, until you hammer on your head and earn money. And as long as I live, I watch this much. They need puppets and not reliable partners.
    1. PATTIY
      PATTIY April 4 2014 23: 15
      0
      Quote: mabuta
      For some reason I do not believe in the pragmatism of the West.

      You are very VERY mistaken! The West does not move the little finger without considering - and how beneficial it is.
      Then pragmatism worked! Ukraine is in default. Who will feed her, raise her? No one.
      IMF loans and a tale told to the offended people of Ukraine about joining the EU This is such a force that will sweep away the gentlemen from the EU with their borders.
  12. Siberian19
    Siberian19 April 4 2014 16: 02
    +14
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/192/mejr392.jpg
    1. mabuta
      mabuta April 4 2014 16: 14
      +2
      The Statue of Liberty is a statue of Hekatta, the goddess of darkness.
    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 April 4 2014 16: 46
      +3
      Note that the foundation consists of a Masonic star, and this means who rules this freedom.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir April 4 2014 23: 47
        0
        But made of Russian copper. And therefore, stands back to the United States.
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    4. Renat
      Renat April 4 2014 19: 54
      +1
      Monsieur French, take your statue back, as de Gaulle did with gold in exchange for green candy wrappers. Remember and remember your great and smart ancestor.
  13. inkass_98
    inkass_98 April 4 2014 16: 04
    +6
    On the issue of sanctions ...
  14. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. April 4 2014 16: 10
    +2
    if we understand that the threats we face are not within Europe, but they are common to us outside Europe, then we will all win.

    They will never understand this, in vain are these threats, i.e. forces, the whole last century built Europe for themselves. And now in Europe, judging by the behavior of politicians, they are probably asking for a toilet. And the media keep it all in good shape, especially some analysts pin up. And to win, one way or another, we have to, all the same, there is no where to go.
  15. Siberian19
    Siberian19 April 4 2014 16: 12
    +10
    After the imposition of sanctions against several Russian banks with the aim of punishing Putin for Crimea, financial tycoons ordered Washington politicians to retreat. Vampires from Wall Street are well aware that removing Russian banks from their reach does not bode well for them. Countries such as Russia should always keep their financial door open so that powerful financiers can rob them from time to time. Washington hastily announced that the imposition of sanctions against all Russian banks was a mistake and that measures would only be taken against Rossiya Bank as a warning to the rest.

    Putin was just waiting for this. Since 2007, he has been trying to introduce an independent ruble financial system based on the real economy and resources of Russia, backed by its gold reserves. No more indulging in looting and financial speculation. This completely peaceful step is in fact a declaration of independence, and for Wall Street it is tantamount to a declaration of war.

    In accordance with the art of judo, sanctions created an ideal situation for a defensive maneuver that redirects the opponent’s brute force against him. What is happening now. Bank "Russia" will be the first bank working exclusively with rubles.
  16. mabuta
    mabuta April 4 2014 16: 16
    +7
    That’s all freedom.
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek April 4 2014 16: 47
      +4
      America is ruled by dark forces, I am convinced. Snowden's allegations that America is controlled by aliens are further evidence of this. Russia is the only country that can resist this evil.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver April 4 2014 19: 36
      +1
      Quote: mabuta
      That’s all freedom.


      Quote: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekata
      Hecate was sometimes depicted in the form of one female figure with two torches in her hands, sometimes in the form of three figures tied backs; this explains how her power spread to heaven, earth and hell.
      Hecate bestows wisdom in public gatherings, happiness in war, rich prey on the hunt, etc. As the goddess of the underworld, she was also considered the goddess of everything mysterious
      Of the pagan goddesses, the worst object of worship is still not the worst. And as for the Satanists, I am generally silent.
  17. sseerr
    sseerr April 4 2014 16: 17
    +5
    Quote: Ost_51RU
    The Cold War never stopped.

    And it never stopped. This is, as Mikhail Leontyev said, "The Great Game." When everyone dies, only then will the big game end.
  18. Alexey M
    Alexey M April 4 2014 16: 23
    +12
    And I want in the USSR !!!!! In order to have political information on Wednesdays, they taught us to work on the machine tools, walk in class to demonstrate (fun and cool). And personally, I don’t put the West to them from the wall with three floors and shut off the gas, let them die out like mammoths. scare lived without them for 70 years and still live, but they are unlikely without us.
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn April 4 2014 17: 20
      -3
      I'm afraid if they shut off the gas, they will decide on a direct military invasion and try to bomb us in the Stone Age :(
      1. Rohon
        Rohon April 4 2014 19: 38
        +3
        One should not be afraid of the strong, but the hungry. You can compete with the strong, and the hungry rod with hordes and sometimes you don’t know what to do with them. In the beginning it’s a pity - I gave one candy, looking and around you a lot has already given out a kilo, and after a moment there are already a thousand, and you already don’t have any candies, but they already demand - they grit their teeth ..........
      2. niki233
        niki233 April 4 2014 21: 31
        0
        their gut is small for invasion, they will spoil from under the silence terrorist attacks and swamp yes
      3. Penzyac
        Penzyac April 5 2014 00: 48
        0
        Quote: Riperbahn
        I'm afraid if they shut off the gas, they will decide on a direct military invasion and try to bomb us in the Stone Age :(


        An attempt - maybe not torture, but past attempts ended either in Paris or in Berlin ...
        By the way, in Washington our parade was not yet ...
        And on the columns of the capitol will be written: - "And we are from Penza" ...
        I hope for the last time ...
  19. bulvas
    bulvas April 4 2014 16: 35
    +5
    And if Europe turns to us, will we have to allow gay marriage and gay propaganda?
    Or are they smart enough not to teach us how to live?
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 5 2014 01: 02
      0
      Quote: bulvas
      And if Europe turns to us, will we have to allow gay marriage and gay propaganda?
      Or are they smart enough not to teach us how to live?


      I hope they will be smart enough to return from "European" values ​​to truly universal values ​​(the 10 commandments), equally valuable: both atheists and Christians of all major confessions, and Muslims (both Sunnis and Shiites), and Jews and Buddhists and others, but not to the heirs of the Pharisees and Sadomites with Satanists of all stripes.
  20. nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 April 4 2014 16: 42
    +3
    Pi.dezh and provocation! I do not believe! "Hut, hut, turn to Europe in front, and back to China ..." And at this moment Europe will pretend that it has nothing to do with it, because "you yourself decided so ..." Only in that part it is necessary to use concessions European "partners" to settle Ukraine.
  21. muhomor
    muhomor April 4 2014 16: 43
    +5
    But in my opinion, the West simply changed its tactics. Realizing that it is impossible to cheat insolently (it can be hard to shove), the Gay Europeans go on to negotiations, and negotiations are bargaining. And they know how to bargain. During bargaining, you can "throw" a sucker.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas April 4 2014 16: 44
      +6
      Quote: muhomor
      And they know how to bargain. During bargaining, you can "throw" a sucker.


      Lavrov not really throw
      We also have Volfych, he generally sees everything in advance
  22. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 4 2014 16: 49
    +9
    Recall the countries - participants of the "Weimar Triangle": Germany, France and Poland - called for a renewed approach to the policy of the European Union towards its neighbors in the east, said Deutsche Welle on the eve. A joint statement by the foreign ministers of the three states: Frank-Walter Steinmeier Laurent Fabius and Radoslaw Sikorski, made on Monday in Weimar, states that Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Belarus and Azerbaijan should be allowed to work closely with both Western and Eastern partners and not to put them in the future before a tough choice - either an orientation towards the West or Russia.

    Do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask for a brief summary of this triangle!
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 4 2014 17: 06
      0
      Well said!
  23. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot April 4 2014 16: 54
    +2
    According to freelance journalist Jim Stone, it was revealed yesterday that a passenger from a missing Malaysian airline liner sent a text message from his iPhone with a photo of March 18, which means 10 days after the plane disappeared.

    "I was taken hostage by unknown soldiers after hijacking an airplane. I work for IBM and I managed to hide my phone during the kidnapping in my ass. My name is Philip Wood. I think I'm under the influence of drugs, I can't concentrate."

    A source:
    http://protiproud.parlamentnilisty.cz/svet/politika/komentare/931-zinscenovany-p
    odvrh-nebo-sokujici-prulom-pasazer-zmizeleho-letadla-pry-odeslal-zpravu-ze-skryt
    eho-iphonu-co-napsal-a-co-delala-pani-clintonova-v-cine.htm
  24. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 4 2014 16: 57
    +1
    All this moaning about the resurgence of the Cold War is bullshit. Our country has not been let off the hook for a single day. They just found the idiot Gorbachev first, then the color revolution with the preacher Yeltsin, but when Putin came, they simply did not calculate his (chess) mind. As soon as one after another the "figures" of henchmen or simply controlled structures began to fall from the board, a fuss began.
    Sharp and decisive actions in the Crimea, this is a necessary but insufficient defense.
    I consider it necessary and appropriate:
    firstly, in an ultimatum form, stop supplying gas to Ukraine (renewal and only after paying the debt and prepayment a year in advance, and this is definitely an impossible task)
    secondly, to reduce for a certain period of time the supply of gas to other countries supporting the "putschists" of Kiev (so that there is no temptation to a fantasy reverse)
    thirdly Install a barrier of agricultural products from a number of EU countries
    fourthly, to limit the flow of medicines as much as possible (especially those products that we can painlessly purchase in Asia or even better produce ourselves.
    ETC. by the list
    Believe that all “Weimar triangles” will not just crawl, but will also ask for forgiveness (and they will spit on amers with their position).
    EVERY ACTION WILL FIND OUR ASYMMETRIC OPPOSITION,
  25. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 4 2014 17: 00
    +1
    I agree, the Cold War was, is and will be! the suction pumps themselves are pushing Russia and not only Us! And also half the world!
  26. delfinN
    delfinN April 4 2014 17: 01
    +5
    Just for the Cold War
  27. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 4 2014 17: 08
    0
    [quote] make them closer to the EU - due to their economic relations with Russia [/
    so this is the very, very dream of European food at the expense of Russia. and there will not be any improvement in relations - only blinking and "horns and legs" will not leave. But the teachings of the militants bring them to mind. hence the conclusion - more often they have to knock on the head with a stick
  28. 3vs
    3vs April 4 2014 17: 23
    +5
    That's it, friends, the Rubicon has been crossed.
    There will be no previous Ukraine, but it is not known from the new what will happen.

    Europe is not an independent entity.
    While the Americans will not be given proper hands, so that they don’t go where they ask,
    nothing will change.
    One hope for the Lord God, to cataclysm them some serious
    arranged!
    The third world would not be desirable, otherwise the whole world is in dust! ((C) "DMB") :-)
    In principle, if you choke a few seeds - Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Soros,
    Brzezinski, Albright, McCain, then, I think the rest is a few billion
    people on the planet would be easier to live.
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta April 4 2014 18: 08
      +1
      Quote: 3vs
      That's it, friends, the Rubicon has been crossed.
      There will be no previous Ukraine, but it is not known from the new what will happen.

      Europe is not an independent entity.
      While the Americans will not be given proper hands, so that they don’t go where they ask,
      nothing will change.
      One hope for the Lord God, to cataclysm them some serious
      arranged!
      The third world would not be desirable, otherwise the whole world is in dust! ((C) "DMB") :-)


      ..that something shook in Chile .. They started from afar. so that there was time to change their mind!
  29. homosum20
    homosum20 April 4 2014 17: 34
    +1
    How many wolves do not feed - he looks into the forest.
    From myself: you can teach a wolf to eat carrots. He will still eat only meat.
    No need for illusions. The "overload" has already happened.
  30. olegkrava
    olegkrava April 4 2014 17: 35
    +1
    In my opinion I have a deja vu, the Weimar triangle is the Weimar Republic. And where is she? But, somewhere the Weimar securities lie, and are they not so afraid in Geyrop? And suddenly they come up, the whole Geyropa sticks out in a deep z-a-dnitsa and no legs are visible.
  31. DimDimych
    DimDimych April 4 2014 17: 39
    +1
    “Many want to return to the Cold War”

    The centuries-old share of Russia accounted for many different wars, both hot and cold ...
    nothing, survived each and only became stronger! Survive and ANY other.
  32. Signaller
    Signaller April 4 2014 17: 40
    +4
    Of course, all this is bad. But I’ll tell you in life. For the generation of the 50s, this is a normal condition. We spent our entire conscious life on it. They injected, costed, set up energy facilities (to which I personally participated). Mosenergo has grown and grown stronger. Generation of thermal power plants, power lines. Substations. And now???? Yes, Mosenergo is already falling apart after the arrival of Gazprom. Effective managers bring everything to a pen. It's not too far. That is why it is necessary to return everything to sleep. A BIG TROUBLE we need to tune in, organize and rush forward. Otherwise (as it turns out) no how.
  33. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 4 2014 17: 46
    +1
    Yes, the Cold War did not end, and we did not lose it. We simply carried out a regrouping, discarded the excess cargo from us, like in a balloon, to rise above all opponents. As you see, though difficulties, this happens. Now they will look into our mouths.
  34. asar
    asar April 4 2014 17: 50
    +2
    Well, at first they did business, and now they "understand" the need for a dialogue with Russia! Just class! And that no one will pull Ukraine alone from the overwhelming "yoke" of debts! So pull on! You did everything so stubbornly to push this country away from Russia, "created" leaders for it, and not today or even the day before yesterday! They hinted at the financial "Niagara" that would spill over to Ukraine in case of rapprochement with the West! They were silent when the Ukrainian authorities were talking absolute nonsense to the claims that were fully justified by Russia! And now, it turns out, there are “doubters” in your ranks about the need for a tough confrontation with Russia! Wow! The flag is in your hands - go for it! (and we'll see!) laughing
  35. vinc
    vinc April 4 2014 17: 58
    +2
    We looked at how much money you need to invest in Ukraine, they have gone awry, let them think Russia will be turned into grandmas, and then, as always, we will throw it. Do not give in.
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  37. mamontoff1981
    mamontoff1981 April 4 2014 18: 01
    0
    We can’t get along with Europe, the Cold War did not stop, it’s just been veiled recently. A good way out is reorientation to the East, within reasonable limits.
  38. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 4 2014 18: 10
    +2
    I fully agree with those who consider the European Union to be a dependent entity. What is this Rar talking about? All about the same - Russia is obliged to pay for the Ukrainian "revolution". They blew it up, and we "stabilize". You guys know, we didn't hire you to stabilize! The regional committee wants the current state of Ukraine to be stabilized - delirium, game, hysterical Russophobia, poverty, death ... In this form, it would be great to form teams of hungry and angry people against us.
    No, it won’t work out. Ukrainians were thirsty for freebies. Have to go through the painful process of sobering up. But it has not yet begun, who does not know - Ukrainians still pay several times less than Russian for gas. It is necessary to plunge very deeply and to interfere with the process for Russia is insanity. No matter what the Ukrainian processes end, they cannot be preserved.
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn April 4 2014 18: 17
      +5
      The thirst for a freebie is a national borderline unifying idea. H.hol for a freebie on the maydaun will yell incessantly.
  39. morpogr
    morpogr April 4 2014 18: 48
    +4
    No guys pay this banquet yourself. And your hysterical cries about the threat from the east, whether it be the Russian Empire or the USSR or Russia, we will not forget and will not forgive.
  40. Genur
    Genur April 4 2014 18: 54
    +2
    EU "without soap" climbs into Russia ... Let's be vigilant !!!
    1. waisson
      waisson April 4 2014 19: 39
      +2
      big and fat to them we stand for ourselves
    2. waisson
      waisson April 4 2014 19: 43
      +2
      let's do it and show them hi
      1. Alexgs
        Alexgs April 5 2014 04: 11
        0
        Cool! Here are Western people.
  41. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 April 4 2014 19: 02
    +3
    Particularly touches that the Psheks again enter somewhere (the Germans are not for .....?)
  42. Submarine B-41
    Submarine B-41 April 4 2014 19: 09
    +4
    "The joint statement of the foreign ministers of three states: Frank-Walter Steinmeier Laurent Fabius and Radoslav Sikorsky, - made on Monday in Weimar, says that Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Belarus and Azerbaijan must be allowed to work closely with both Western and Eastern partners and not put them in the future with a tough choice - either orientation towards the West or towards Russia. "
    People, you think about it - ALLOW who are they to allow or NOT to allow sovereign states ????? Only a slave can be "NOT ALLOWED". And they dream of us "to allow or not to allow". Only I think I'm peeing in their ass! We turned them on .... and we will turn them!
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 4 2014 23: 56
      0
      Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Belarus and Azerbaijan should be allowed to closely cooperate with both their western and eastern partners and not put them in front of a tough choice
      -
      those. Europe them запретила deal with Russia, and now that things have gone right, they insist, that we allowed them to look west.
      Jesuits, damn it. So that your Jesuit children make only same-sex marriage.
  43. vezunchik
    vezunchik April 4 2014 19: 12
    0

    No comments
  44. kelevra
    kelevra April 4 2014 19: 13
    0
    If someone wants some kind of confrontation, let them go to Syria! Power to the haves and money people do not always live in peace, having everything, they are already snickering and do not know how to amuse themselves, so the calls for a cold war and confrontation begin!
  45. Thompson
    Thompson April 4 2014 19: 15
    +1
    Contradictory article. It is hard to believe that they rethought, and if so, let's see what happens in the end! It seems that everything is on the case, but the conclusion ... again, for some reason, they are waiting for the normalization of attitude due to the concessions of Russia.
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  47. zzz
    zzz April 4 2014 19: 18
    +2
    Lukashenko about freaks!
    1. Belarus
      Belarus April 4 2014 19: 25
      +3
      Although I disagree on some issues with our president but for that I respect him. laughing
      1. waisson
        waisson April 4 2014 19: 49
        +3
        what do not say well done he is your real master
  48. waisson
    waisson April 4 2014 19: 36
    0
    -------------- hi
  49. DAYMAN
    DAYMAN April 4 2014 19: 56
    +4
    They did not rethink anything ... they are stupidly AFRAID OF US!
  50. zzz
    zzz April 4 2014 19: 58
    +2
    Today I saw in Odnoklassniki:
    Maximum repost! Attention! We distribute to all groups !!! On April 5 and 6, we elect a representative from each city at the rallies, and organize a congress of the South-East on a neutral territory in Crimea, under the patronage of Prime Minister Aksenov, where we will decide on a general strategy of action !!! From now on we are not called people's squads, but "civil order squads" not self-defense squads, but "civil security squads" Please send this text to all coordinators by e-mail. mail !!!

    Who has thoughts? Sham or not?
    1. Submarine B-41
      Submarine B-41 April 4 2014 20: 58
      +1
      It looks like a setup. The Ukrainian authorities have banned entry into Crimea on pain of criminal punishment. Elected delegates must, at their own expense, incognito make their way to the Crimea, and after the congress they can all be taken warm at the Ukropsky cordon and planted "without leaving the cashier."
    2. Turkir
      Turkir April 4 2014 23: 59
      0
      Bandera Provocation.