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Amendments to the law on military duty and military service

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Amendments to the law on military duty and military service

Vladimir Putin signed the Federal Law "On Amendments to Articles 49 and 53 of the Federal Law" On Military Duty and Military Service. "


The federal law was passed by the State Duma on March 18 and approved by the Federation Council on March 26 of the year 2014.

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The federal law increases the age limit for military servicemen serving in the military service under the contract in the respective military ranks, and, as a result, the personnel, ranks and age of citizens in the reserve of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are adjusted.

So, the age limit for military service is set for: Marshal of the Russian Federation, army general, admiral fleet, Colonel General, Admiral - 65 years old; Lieutenant General, Vice Admiral, Major General, Rear Admiral - 60 years; Colonel, Captain 1st Rank - 55 years; a soldier with a different military rank is 50 years old.

The adoption of the Federal Law will make it possible to entrench citizens who have experience in military service and are capable of fulfilling the tasks of ensuring the defense and security of the state in any conditions.
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  1. desant_doktor
    desant_doktor April 3 2014 09: 55
    +4
    Oh how! There is a chance to earn more pension.
    1. smel
      smel April 3 2014 10: 10
      +59
      Not. There is a chance of less retirement
      1. PAM
        PAM April 3 2014 10: 37
        +5
        as I understand it, the possibility of continuing the service is meant, rather than writing off to the reserve, and the military pays a pension for the service.
        For example, when I was studying at a technical school, there was a teacher (pensioner) with us aged under 32 years. (I don’t remember exactly, but definitely not older) "helicopter pilot" retired after flying hours.
        1. Predator
          Predator April 3 2014 11: 12
          +7
          What can I say, I was written off to the reserve at the age of 27 (after 2 wounds) and then served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for another 15 years.
        2. renics
          renics April 3 2014 13: 39
          0
          No, new as well as old pension legislation, this is not provided. What you describe was before 1995, that is, the opportunity to receive a pension when you reach retirement age, while not retiring. After this, this item was not considered under the new pension reform.
      2. avg
        avg April 3 2014 11: 17
        +4
        Quote: smel
        Not. There is a chance of less retirement

        Now salaries are good, especially with allowances, so no one is in a hurry to retire.
      3. desant_doktor
        desant_doktor April 3 2014 11: 32
        +2
        It’s like someone.
      4. Just
        Just April 3 2014 14: 28
        0
        So no one forcibly keeps them in the service. I wrote a report and retired, which is several times less than salary.
      5. domokl
        domokl April 3 2014 14: 33
        +3
        Quote: smel
        Not. There is a chance of less retirement

        Hmm ... and you can’t argue ... I recall an old, still Soviet joke on this topic ...
        An officer comes to the pension department for a certificate, and he is given a period of 5 years ...
        "What are you? I'm only 45 ... And you're at 5 years ...
        - Man, calm down. Nobody has come for the second one yet.
        5 years have passed, the official is again for the certificate. The people have gathered, they are considered as an exhibit of the museum ... But the certificate was given in the end ...
        And after 5 years, he comes again ... Then the panic rose ... The phenomenon !!! The boss invited to the office ...
        "Dear, how do you manage to do this? You are the first in 25 years of my work who receives more than one certificate ... But you officers, as you remove your belt, are falling apart ...
        A pensioner lifts his shirt ..
        -And I didn’t shoot ...
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv April 3 2014 14: 47
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          A pensioner lifts his shirt ..
          -And I didn’t shoot ...

          laughing good
          Thanks for the joke, Alexander.
          hi

          ... In my jeans for everyday wear - a corpse.
          It breaks in, Naman.
          yes

          1. domokl
            domokl April 3 2014 16: 30
            +2
            Quote: Aleks tv
            ... In my jeans for everyday wear - a corpse.
            It breaks in, Naman.

            fellow That's for sure ... And then you also need to go hunting and fishing all the time ... Now they don’t make such skin good
    2. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik April 3 2014 10: 35
      +5
      Quote: desant_doktor
      Oh how! There is a chance to earn more pension.

      Of course .... if you revise the law on retirement benefits. I left at 41, because I had reached the pension limit, and my position was reduced
    3. Predator
      Predator April 3 2014 11: 07
      +3
      There is no chance! Maximum comrades 85% of the content!
    4. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv April 3 2014 11: 53
      +6
      Quote: desant_doktor
      There is a chance to earn more pension.

      No.
      The "grid" by which the pension is calculated has also been moved.
      It is impossible to earn more than a "maximum" pension.

      And service to service - discord ...
      - At headquarters - fine.
      -With your favorite personnel - a scribe animal.

      They just made an obligation (this is about the possibility of the "+5" service)
      Hard to comment.
      But my colleagues, pulling the strap in the LINEAR parts - EVERYONE massively retired before this law, there have long been "solid" rumors about it.

      Good luck guys.
  2. gandalf
    gandalf April 3 2014 09: 56
    +14
    Old cadres are left for normal leadership and education worthy of a replacement.
    1. Very old
      Very old April 3 2014 10: 17
      +11
      Ett for sure, Comrade Sukhov used to say - it’s time to serve, to give the country experience, knowledge, and skill, worthy to pass

      How many good specialists it took, and to realize themselves to the bottom
      1. avg
        avg April 3 2014 11: 22
        +5
        Quote: Very old
        How many good specialists it took, and to realize themselves to the bottom

        The worst thing is that 50-year-old colonels and doctors of science were kicked out of the academies. So it turned out: "ignoramus - ignoramus teaches."
      2. Air Force Major
        Air Force Major April 3 2014 11: 23
        +4
        All this is good. He will pass on his experience to someone, but experience will be transferred not only in combat (combat) units ... Still, schools and academies should be restored at least partially ...
        1. MAKSAK
          MAKSAK April 3 2014 12: 33
          0
          Yes, so that even according to the realities of the present, they taught and how to teach! I think in the near future the situation will get back on track!
  3. maksim
    maksim April 3 2014 09: 58
    +12
    double law
  4. volcano
    volcano April 3 2014 09: 59
    +3
    Here is the main question about retirement.
    retirement experience will also increase?
    Now 20 years of service and a pension are already there. And in the light of the new law?
    1. Alejandro
      Alejandro April 3 2014 10: 01
      +4
      The changes concern only the age limit ...
      1. Sma11
        Sma11 April 3 2014 11: 23
        +1
        Nothing, they get to the length of service. And then such a gift to the military and without a bitter pill. Somehow too generous.
    2. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta April 3 2014 11: 10
      +3
      We are being prepared for war! .. And you are talking about pensions ..
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 3 2014 11: 42
      0
      Quote: volkan
      Now 20 years of service and a pension are already there.

      As far as I remember, the minimum pension is after 12,5 years.
      1. ivachum
        ivachum April 3 2014 11: 46
        +1
        12,5 years of work experience before entering military service. TOTAL: 25 years
    4. renics
      renics April 3 2014 13: 44
      0
      Under the new pension law, in order to receive the full maximum pension, the total length of service must be 40 years and the maximum salary of 40 thousand rubles.
      1. ivachum
        ivachum April 4 2014 07: 21
        0
        Quote: renics
        Under the new pension law, in order to receive the full maximum pension, the total length of service must be 40 years and the maximum salary of 40 thousand rubles.


        This is for a civilian pension ... To receive a military pension, it is still necessary to have at least 12,5 (calendar) years of work experience in a citizen + at least 12,5 years (calendar !!!) of service and at the same time, the main condition retire upon reaching the age limit for military service. Yes, the pension (probably) will not be maximum, but it will now be 10 years earlier than the civilian one (15 years earlier in the old one). Although if you serve these years, for example, in Tajikistan, you will have 37 years of preferential length of service, i.e. full military pension. Yes, and the ability to grab housing (compensation)
  5. Normman
    Normman April 3 2014 10: 00
    +20
    Good news! Now the military experts will be at work, and the personnel of the army will be strengthened! What is important, those born in the USSR for another five years will be at work and many children will be brought up correctly to replace them!
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 3 2014 10: 07
      +6
      Quote: Normman
      Good news! Now the military experts will be at work, and the personnel of the army will be strengthened! What is important, those born in the USSR for another five years will be at work and many children will be brought up correctly to replace them!

      I absolutely agree with you! This will definitely play a plus.
      Of course, everything is individual, the health is different, but you must agree to foolishly lose a specialist who is willing and able to serve, only because of his birth date!
      1. ivachum
        ivachum April 3 2014 11: 38
        +1
        "... but you must agree it is stupid to lose a specialist willing and able to serve, just because of the date of his birth!"

        And who prevented them from losing? Only the ambitions of Serdyukov, Makarov and others. Many of these lovers of "reporting" remained with the new minister. They also continue to report, only not about the reduction, but about the total and instantaneous transition to a contract, the transition to a new form of clothing (long before its appearance in warehouses), rearmament to the "newest" types of weapons and equipment (AK-74M, with a year manufacture 1984-85) and much, much more. And, well, yes, they pay us MONEY! bully
  6. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 3 2014 10: 03
    +4
    It would be better if he would return four stars on the shoulder straps of the army general. IMHO
  7. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 3 2014 10: 03
    +5
    Every Shoigu asked. He is in May 59!
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 3 2014 10: 22
      +3
      So what? Five years later to amend the law again? laughing
    3. Very old
      Very old April 3 2014 10: 23
      +1
      Go to him, everything is enough
      dmitriygorshkov is absolutely right
      Somehow last year this topic was already discussed at the forum
      Like last year, the spread of opinions is not small
  8. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 3 2014 10: 03
    +6
    I WOULD ONLY BE IN GOOD!
  9. sazhka4
    sazhka4 April 3 2014 10: 05
    +3
    After the "reforms" Serdyuk and a medic and (in a secret whisper, Putin). The step is expected .. Lack of staff. However, as in any other industry .. I'm not surprised.
  10. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh April 3 2014 10: 06
    +2
    If only there was no war.
  11. buzer
    buzer April 3 2014 10: 08
    +3
    and how much service? Not everyone, after all, reaches the generals ... And how will this affect retirement ???
  12. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 3 2014 10: 11
    +4
    The adoption of the Federal Law will make it possible to entrench citizens who have experience in military service and are capable of fulfilling the tasks of ensuring the defense and security of the state in any conditions.
    As they say, cadres decide everything. So, in the course of the play of Mr. Messenger the military will soon be in demand of your knowledge. The situation ceases to be languid.
  13. SS68SS
    SS68SS April 3 2014 10: 12
    +5
    It would be necessary to organize a council of elders under the Moscow Defense Ministry. To those who retired helped with a young, wise word. The experience and good advice of retirees is always needed.
  14. siberalt
    siberalt April 3 2014 10: 13
    +8
    Only old men will go into battle laughing And the captain will never become a major. Now let's figure out who will be more, soldiers or generals? Shoigu already had one general in the Ministry of Emergencies for 137 employees. It is not clear, but what is worse than a general experienced petty instructor?
    1. Fin
      Fin April 3 2014 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: siberalt
      Now let's figure out who will be more, soldiers or generals?

      The number of generals depends on the generals' posts, and not on the length of service.
      The decision is right.
    2. Gato
      Gato April 3 2014 13: 53
      +1
      Quote: siberalt
      the worse general experienced petty instructor

      An experienced instructor foreman is very difficult to replace or find a new one. And with the generals there are no such problems in principle fellow
  15. polite people
    polite people April 3 2014 10: 13
    +2
    Everything that is done is for the best.
    The commander is always right.
  16. Semenov
    Semenov April 3 2014 10: 18
    +6
    Sitting somewhere in the headquarters in a warm place is one thing, and if you freeze snot in the fields, and even as a captain, it's another.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas April 3 2014 10: 36
      +4
      Quote: Semenov
      sitting at the headquarters in a warm place is one thing, and if you freeze snot in the fields
      All individually. At 55-60, there are still very peppy old people who will not go to incubate hemorrhoids in the office, but in the field - that’s it. Snot they probably have an ice-freezer.
  17. onegin61
    onegin61 April 3 2014 10: 20
    +3
    Quote: smel
    Not. There is a chance of less retirement

    The average age of military pensioners is 59 years.
  18. onegin61
    onegin61 April 3 2014 10: 20
    -1
    Quote: desant_doktor
    Oh how! There is a chance to earn more pension.

    The average age of military pensioners is 59 years.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 3 2014 10: 25
      +5
      You are confused with the average age of survival of military pensioners.
    3. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor April 3 2014 11: 35
      +2
      I am 38, I can already retire. Could 2 years ago, by the way. But wait. Until expelled. yes
  19. les103284
    les103284 April 3 2014 10: 21
    +2
    In any case, these amendments are relevant. Everything else, time will tell. The fact that there is a shortage of first-class personnel in many units is not a secret. I would like to use these same personnel correctly, especially in military universities.
  20. Sasha Major
    Sasha Major April 3 2014 10: 23
    +4
    now there’s no one to simply equip the armed forces, there hasn’t been recruitment to military schools for 5 years now and they are patching personnel holes !!!!
    1. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor April 3 2014 11: 43
      +1
      Well, where how. In my native WMA, the enrollment of the last three years almost doubled.
  21. jktu66
    jktu66 April 3 2014 10: 30
    +5
    Since my graduation from our company 83 people 2 capraza will serve another 5-7 years. Good guys, our sun needs these!
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik April 3 2014 10: 42
      +3
      Quote: jktu66
      Since my graduation from our company 83 people 2 capraza will serve another 5-7 years. Good guys, our sun needs these!

      And from my graduation, it remains to serve - on the fingers you can count. All who can - have been reduced. Itself fell under 2 times reduction, on 3 th left.
  22. Tima
    Tima April 3 2014 10: 35
    -1
    There was a way to reduce the growth in the number of military pensioners.
  23. kuznesov48
    kuznesov48 April 3 2014 10: 37
    +4
    Until now, there are many officers who have not realized their knowledge and experience. They seem to have been forgotten. Here is the reserve not yet lost. Only human resources departments need to work.
  24. mabuta
    mabuta April 3 2014 10: 39
    +1
    Like it or not, but at the moment Russia is experiencing difficulties associated with the demographic decline of the Yeltsin period. If we add the collapse of the army in those days, then the law, from the point of view of reality, corresponds to the time. Explanatory commanders are now needed.
  25. Boris55
    Boris55 April 3 2014 10: 40
    +2
    You can serve at the General Staff until you can take them out in front of you. But there are not enough places for all lieutenants in it. In peacetime, it is still somehow bearable. And in the military? Physical standards for different ages are different. How will the lag during the march in the combat situation of the 50-year-old from the 18-year-olds be assessed?
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn April 3 2014 11: 08
      +1
      - firstly, not a fact, they visited fifty-two years old in two or three sections, but eighteen-year-olds who dabbled in a jamb, and who were a level 80 magician ...;
      - secondly, there are medical indications and standards of physical fitness;
      - Well, and thirdly, those who are not affected by the second paragraph, they already serve ...
  26. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky April 3 2014 10: 41
    +1
    Quote: buzer
    and how much service? Not everyone, after all, reaches the generals ... And how will this affect retirement ???

    It will be reflected in the direction of increase, but you still have to start from 54%!
    1. ivachum
      ivachum April 3 2014 11: 06
      0
      And neither how ... As it was the maximum for the GENERAL length of service at 32, it remained. For example, for this it is "enough" to serve 10,5 calendar years in Tajikistan (1 calendar year, for 3 grace periods, some have succeeded). It's not bad to get the maximum pension at the age of 30 drinks.
  27. Sergg
    Sergg April 3 2014 10: 44
    0
    Thus, the age limit for military service is set for: Marshal of the Russian Federation, Army General, Fleet Admiral, Colonel-General, Admiral - 65 years; Lieutenant General, Vice-Admiral, Major-General, Rear Admiral - 60 years; Colonel, captain of rank 1 - 55 years; soldier with a different military rank - 50 years.


    You can retire as before in 20 years of service, this is important. Here we are talking about the age limit. Another thing is the problem of who wants to retire in half (taking into account his seniority) before it was 45 years old, now 50 years old, only for them the real problem. So nothing special.
    1. ivachum
      ivachum April 3 2014 11: 18
      +1
      Article 53. The composition of the stock. Concerns consisting in stock.

      Article 49 (old wording). Age limit for military service

      1. The age limit for military service is established for:
      Marshal of the Russian Federation, army general, fleet admiral, colonel general, admiral - 60 years;
      Lieutenant General, Vice Admiral, Major General, Rear Admiral - 55 years;
      Colonel, captain of the 1st rank - 50 years;
      a soldier with a different military rank is 45 years old.
      2. For female soldiers, the age limit for military service is 45 years.
      3. A contract for military service may be concluded with military personnel who have reached the age limit for military service for up to 10 years in the manner determined by the Regulation on military service, but not exceeding the age of 65 years.

      Why change? Those who wish could serve. Another question is that they were not allowed to serve in order to report on the implementation of the reduction instructions.

      Only the law was nothing to do with.
  28. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta April 3 2014 10: 45
    +2
    Well .. Who said there that the tarpaulin in the cupboard is still useful .. !!! Giving Scotland Independence!
  29. Dromac
    Dromac April 3 2014 10: 49
    0
    Somehow I read an interesting book and there, in my opinion, a healthy and patriotic society is shown very interestingly. Citizenship is received by the person who has completed military service and this applies to everyone who inhabits the country. Those. citizenship is not by birthright, but for length of service to the fatherland. And also with the advent of military service, the right to vote appears and at the end of the service it is assigned to him. The topic can be developed and developed, but in my opinion this idea could be embodied
    1. ivachum
      ivachum April 3 2014 11: 09
      +1
      Robert Heinlein "Starship Troopers" soldier
      1. desant_doktor
        desant_doktor April 3 2014 11: 44
        +1
        Yes sir. Great book! good
  30. reader1964
    reader1964 April 3 2014 10: 54
    +1
    health is not enough, after forty years, all sores climb out even in the healthiest
    1. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor April 3 2014 11: 48
      0
      I do not agree. If the body did not rape in youth, by the age of 40 it is, as a rule, still strong. There are exceptions, of course, but they usually do not serve in the army. The human body, it is vindictive, then it will remember everything to you. Remember that.
  31. Aleks_good
    Aleks_good April 3 2014 10: 56
    +3
    1) a demographic pit, not to serve anyone, but defense must be maintained.
    2) medicine develops and gradually increases the age of active life. new drugs are available. new techniques. That from which I was treated for 5 years as a child, now passes in 2 months. I exaggerate, but there is a tendency.
    3) retirement often turns people into ruins.
    4) I am not familiar with the specifics, but I suspect that there have been cases when they were forcibly retired because of age, and people wanted to work ...

    is it for someone's pleasure or mockery think? that's right, that's all.

    I am not an authority, but this is my opinion.
  32. ivachum
    ivachum April 3 2014 10: 59
    +3
    Quote: gandalf
    Old cadres are left for normal leadership and education worthy of a replacement.


    In fact, according to the old law, it was possible to serve up to these ages (+5 years above the age limit), but now it has become a "binding" ("enslaving right" is direct some kind). That's just, not everyone wants to serve until the age of 50 (generals, of course, want everything and, preferably, from the cradle to the grave laughing )

    Do not forget the "housing" issue ... Housing (or compensation for it) is calculated for family members, which include wives (husbands), children UNDER ADVANCED AGE and dependents, for example, parents. Now remember - how old will your children be when you turn 50? And your elderly parents too (God forbid, of course) have every chance of not living up to the half-century anniversary of the son (daughter) of a serviceman.

    Yes ... and the inheritance (in the form of residential premises, land for construction) will also have to be abandoned ...
  33. maksim
    maksim April 3 2014 10: 59
    +1
    Crimea and Sevastopol became part of the Southern Military District
    MOSCOW, April 3, RIA FederalPress. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree according to which the Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol became part of the Southern Military District. The relevant document is published on the official portal of legal information.
  34. reader1964
    reader1964 April 3 2014 11: 01
    -1
    And I am also inclined to think that the minister passed the law for himself, next year he will have sixty - demobilization.
  35. Colonel
    Colonel April 3 2014 11: 06
    +2
    There is simply no one to serve
    1. ivachum
      ivachum April 3 2014 11: 30
      +2
      You are absolutely right. Nearly. Of course, there is someone to serve, but the shortage is already felt precisely in the middle command level (company companies, deputy company battalions, company battalions, deputies and service heads)
  36. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky April 3 2014 11: 11
    0
    Quote: ivachum
    And neither how ... As it was the maximum for the GENERAL length of service at 32, it remained. For example, for this it is "enough" to serve 10,5 calendar years in Tajikistan (1 calendar year, for 3 grace periods, some have succeeded). It's not bad to get the maximum pension at the age of 30 drinks.

    There is an opportunity to get a higher allowance for years of service, which is taken into account when calculating the pension. So it’s not much, but it will increase even if 32 years of general service and the pension is full.
    1. ivachum
      ivachum April 3 2014 11: 25
      0
      ... no more than 32 years of preferential service. At least 50 years, at least 100 years of service ... will be paid only for 32 years.

      Yes, not all military personnel have preferential periods longer than the calendar ... but no one prevents them from going to serve in Tajikistan, Kamchatka, the Arctic, Siberia at last.
      1. ivachum
        ivachum April 3 2014 11: 44
        0
        The main thing here is "... will allow fix in the military service of citizens. "Did someone think that serfdom was abolished in 1961? laughing
        1. ivachum
          ivachum April 3 2014 12: 01
          0
          I apologize, a black spot, in 1861, of course
        2. Pukanpein
          Pukanpein April 3 2014 12: 14
          +1
          1861 so that)
  37. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 3 2014 11: 12
    0
    In short! We work to the grave!
    1. Tilkus75
      Tilkus75 April 3 2014 11: 43
      +2
      And to whom is the pension shining now, except for military and civil servants? Everyone who is in business or at the machine, or as I am an architect, will have to work hard for a tombstone! After all, everything is done in gray and often in black at all. And that has become the norm. I only heard about white salaries in Gazprom.
      1. ivachum
        ivachum April 3 2014 12: 17
        +2
        "And who now has a pension, except for the military and civil servants? Anyone who is in business or at the machine tool or as an architect will have to work hard to the grave! Everything is done in gray and often even in black. And this has become the norm. About whites. I have only heard salaries from Gazprom. "

        Running into the army before it's too late. There they pay MONEY, and make them ... no need!drinks

        The truth about two days off a week will have to be forgotten, and one thing as it were, Sunday from 14.00:06.00 p.m. to XNUMX:XNUMX a.m. on Monday, and that, maybe, at the beginning of a sports festival for the whole gang ... part.

        By the way, money ... here you need to buy irons, paint the parade ground for the arrival of the Moscow Region, walls ... replace the posters, stands on the parade ground ... Well, you do it for yourself, so that it would be easier and more comfortable for you to serve. Do you say that in the past? Oh well...

        Are you used to spend your vacation in Turkey? Wean. And turn in your passport to the personnel department. To parents in Kazakhstan decided to motanut for a week? Please, get permission from the curator of your unit from state security. Etc. etc.

        And so - paradise and more. drinks
  38. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 3 2014 11: 12
    0
    All the same, do not live on a pension!
    1. Kovrovsky
      Kovrovsky April 3 2014 11: 23
      +1
      Watching what a pension!
  39. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 3 2014 11: 12
    0
    All the same, do not live on a pension!
  40. reader1964
    reader1964 April 3 2014 11: 24
    +1
    there was a reason for apartmentless fenders to attract for further service
    1. ivachum
      ivachum April 3 2014 12: 24
      +1
      Attract - no, force - yes. am
  41. Vtel
    Vtel April 3 2014 11: 25
    +1
    Now grandfathers with big stars will increase.
  42. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob April 3 2014 11: 44
    +1
    Argyrospids of Alexander the Great were manned from experienced warriors no younger than 60 years old and at the same time drove everyone. So, even ordinary Russian Armed Forces up to 60 years can serve and inspire fear in the enemy.
  43. vst6
    vst6 April 3 2014 11: 45
    -1
    Yes, it was done for the close ones so that they would serve with him until retirement
  44. understudy
    understudy April 3 2014 11: 51
    0
    Lyaya .. well, just a little stayed "in retirement", now again "in reserve" to leave. fellow
  45. Earnest
    Earnest April 3 2014 11: 58
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    Quote: Dromac
    Somehow I read an interesting book and there, in my opinion, a healthy and patriotic society is shown very interestingly. Citizenship is received by the person who has completed military service and this applies to everyone who inhabits the country. Those. citizenship is not by birthright, but for length of service to the fatherland. And also with the advent of military service, the right to vote appears and at the end of the service it is assigned to him. The topic can be developed and developed, but in my opinion this idea could be embodied

    Hanline, Starship Troopers. Citizens' rights - after 3 or more years of service, the right to vote and be elected - only after dismissal. But everyone can serve, the blind can go to the headquarters, lick the stamps and glue them on the envelope.
  46. ivachum
    ivachum April 3 2014 11: 59
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    Quote: Yoon Clob
    Argyrospids of Alexander the Great were manned from experienced warriors no younger than 60 years old and at the same time drove everyone. So, even ordinary Russian Armed Forces up to 60 years can serve and inspire fear in the enemy.


    Why did you get this? Then, up to 50 years, few ordinary people survived, and warriors even more so.

    Argyraspids - “silver shields” - an elite unit of hypaspists in the royal Aghema, who for distinctions in battles received from Alexander the Great the insignia - silvered shields. After the death of Alexander, they served with Eumenes, then with Antigonus One-Eyed, who disbanded this unit.
  47. demotivator
    demotivator April 3 2014 12: 46
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    Quote: Aleks tv
    And service to service - discord ...
    - At headquarters - fine.
    -With your favorite personnel - a scribe animal.

    With "favorite personnel" up to 50 years old, with all the desire to serve, it will not work - because those who have served up to that age are at least colonels in the post of regiment commander and equal to them. And these people, unlike platoon and company commanders, no longer cry from the l / s, they live for them. They are just different weight classes. Well, won't the company lump pull its company strap until it reaches the age of 50?
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv April 3 2014 13: 04
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      Quote: demotivator
      Well, will not the company pull its company strap until it reaches the age of 50 years?

      Michael, God forbid such joy ...
      ETOGES what a raider to be ...
      laughing

      The battalion commanders and officers, too, are not sickly.
      The linear part - it is also in Africa: LINEAR PART ...
      -NSS shlopotpt or gray-haired whiskey to get ... with "favorite personnel" ... it is possible for any position.
      wink

      For us. For officers of the LINEAR units.
      And then until you pour yourself, no one will offer.
      laughing
      drinks
    2. Colonel
      Colonel April 3 2014 14: 06
      +1
      Quote: demotivator
      in a post of a regiment and to them equal. And these people, unlike platoon and company commanders, no longer cry from military personnel, they live for them.

      Yes, this is from the heart. Personal experience or who told?
  48. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer April 3 2014 13: 04
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    I will gladly serve another five years old, I will finish my son at the university.
  49. ivachum
    ivachum April 3 2014 13: 09
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    "With" favorite personnel "up to 50 years old, with all the desire to serve, it will not work - because those who have served up to that age are at least colonels in the post of regiment commander and equal to them"

    Because, captains and majors (probably fools, since everyone could not become colonels laughing) and left at age 45, in the bulk.

    "Well, won't the company lump pull its company strap until it reaches the age of 50?"

    Yes? And who will be? Are you going to give the colonel and appoint commanders of the regiments to anyone who turns 45 years old? Or through one? Where the rest? The staffs are not rubber ... there are about 30 company level commanders, a separate platoon in the regiment, and the regiment commander is only ONE. drinks
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 3 2014 13: 40
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      Quote: ivachum
      Are you going to give the colonel and appoint commanders of the regiments to anyone who turns 45 years old?

      Where to get so many regiments? smile
  50. pogis
    pogis April 3 2014 13: 23
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    http://regulation.gov.ru/project/8728.html
    Until it is accepted, a decree for senior officers!